Jan. 24, 2026

EXPERIENCE 254 | Keep it Fimple, Fupid! - With Johnny Fimple, Founder of Resonate - a Fimple Plan

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Season 6

In this episode of the LoCo Experience Podcast, I had an intriguing conversation with Johnny Fimple, Founder of Resonate, a Fimple Plan.  Johnny is a business coach, and shared his journey from being a passionate drummer in the music industry to pioneering a unique coaching perspective centered on improving employee-customer interactions. 

We delved into his early years as a musician and music store manager in San Francisco, his transition into the restaurant and retail sectors, and how his personal and professional life evolved, including meeting his wife Natalia.  Resonate focuses on enhancing business communications and fostering a positive work culture, driven by Johnny's vast experience and genuine enthusiasm for helping others succeed. 

His approach combines practical business wisdom with the improvisational spirit of a jazz band; he shared a lot of Fimple wisdom, and we shared a lot of laughs, so please tune in and enjoy my conversation with Johnny Fimple. 

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In this episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I had an intriguing conversation with Johnny Ple, founder of Resonate, A PLE Plan, johnny is a business coach and shared his journey from being a passionate drummer in the music industry to pioneering a unique coaching perspective, centered on improving employee customer interactions.

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We delve into his early years as a musician and music store manager in San Francisco, his transition into the restaurant and retail sectors, and how his personal and professional life evolved, including meeting his wife, Natalia.

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Resonate, focuses on enhancing business communications and fostering a positive work culture.

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Driven by Johnny's vast experience and genuine enthusiasm for helping others succeed.

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His approach combines practical business wisdom with the improvisational spirit of a jazz band.

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He shared a lot of PLE wisdom and we shared a lot of laughs.

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So please tune in and enjoy my conversation with Johnny Ple.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Johnny Ple, and Johnny is the founder, CEO of Resonate, A PLE plan.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Thanks for having me.

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Welcome to the studio, Johnny.

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Absolute honor to be here, sir.

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Very, very excited to be here.

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Well, we are desperate for guests, and so I called you.

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I wouldn't do that, my friend and your friend Scott Kissel.

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Yes.

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Said you should really have Johnny and his story on your podcast.

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He's a cool guy.

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Yeah.

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And then I had coffee with you twice.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, uh, I agreed.

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And so here we are.

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Happy New Year.

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We haven't seen each other, I think.

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Yeah.

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Happy New Year to you.

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It's,

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uh, prior to the text this morning that said, Hey, are we still on for this afternoon?

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Oh,

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yeah.

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Uh, yeah.

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You know, our, our friend Scott Kissel.

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Wow.

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What a, uh, powerhouse in Fort Collins.

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Right.

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He, uh, when he says, you should meet somebody, it's for real.

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Things just

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happened.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And meeting you, uh, that first time over at, uh, ginger and Baker was awesome.

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Uh, you are one of those people that people should know.

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Oh, well.

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'cause you, you make a difference.

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Uh, absolutely up here in Fort Collins and just, uh, how you influence businesses and people and make them better.

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You're a good person to know for sure.

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I like

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to say, uh, flattery will get you everywhere with me.

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And so thank you for that.

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Feels good.

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But it's not about me.

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It's about you.

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Right.

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You

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Well, it, it's, it's tough.

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I don't like, uh, ever.

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Promoting myself, really, it's, it's been a tough, uh, struggle the last two years, uh, since I started Resonate.

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Uh, I've been told, you know, you're a public speaker, you're, you're gonna be putting out a book.

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You need to be able to be comfortable selling yourself.

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And, and I constantly challenge that back and say, it shouldn't be about me.

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It should never be about me.

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It's about the people that I'm serving or helping.

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And, uh, it just feels good.

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It just feels good to help.

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And I think that's why you and I connected on such a cool level at the beginning.

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Yeah, I would agree.

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That's always been, you know, I don't want, I'm not the guru.

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I'm the guy who knows some gurus and try to bring them into a room with each other and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Well, you are, you know, they say you wanna surround yourself with better people, and you're one of those, those people.

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So you, you have a, a wisdom and you have a persona about yourself.

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I've seen you in rooms with people, uh, down at the Rotary and just everybody, they look up to you professionally.

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And that says a lot about you, you know, and, uh, whatever.

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I can learn from you, that's what I'm here for, you know, and if we can partner up and help each other and help other businesses or just people in general, that's what it should be about

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businesses.

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Uh, I actually just, uh, um, popped in to get some beverages for the, for the local office fridge at the little gas station next door.

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Right.

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And, and there's two guys, uh, or two, uh, uh, two people that I see working there.

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It's a, a guy that's.

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I would say he's Middle Eastern, perhaps like, I don't know, Syrian or Lebanese or someplace Jordanian over there.

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Um, and then his wife I found out today is, uh, I would say she's Chinese origin and it's never anybody but the two of them there.

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Like he works three days a week.

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She works four.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, I didn't know that.

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And he's just the friendliest guy and, you know, I just really had a nice, lovely, you know, first time I've seen him this new year conversation with him and just talking about, I mean, like, and he drives up from Denver, what they bought this business.

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Wow.

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This, you know, Chinese food slash liquor store slash convenience store.

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Wow.

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And, uh, and it's, it's one of my new favorite places to, to, to shop.

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And now that I know, it's kind of a, a first time entrepreneurial couple, you know, driving up from Denver every day.

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Yeah.

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And they, they're dreaming about moving to Fort Collins if they can make the store work, you know, they got some work to do.

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You want, you wanna support him.

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Yeah.

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Because the way they make you feel probably.

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Right.

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Very much so.

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Yeah.

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No, he's always very kind and he's like the, he's got the best personality of like the best Uber driver.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I've had a few of those myself.

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Yeah, no, I, I, I, I can relate, you know, uh, some examples I've used in the past, uh, it doesn't matter what company I've ever worked for, I always use seven 11 as an example, just as a business model, you can have the exact same product right on the street two blocks away.

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That other seven 11 is just drowning in sorrow.

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And this seven 11 is rocking because they have the two people like what you're talking about.

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They have people that in here that give it, give a shit.

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See if I can gus,

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you could guys,

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we mark

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em all explicit

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just in, in case.

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Oh, okay, great, great.

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You know, and, uh, it's, it's about the, it's about the connection with the customer and it's how you sell a Twinkie.

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It's not just selling a Twinkie.

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It, it is really getting to know that customer and getting to know their name and talking to'em daily and getting that rapport because it's genuine and authentic.

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And that's, that's typically how I coach.

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And that

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was kind of your secret sauce, if I remember correctly.

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Yes.

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Is, is really helping leaders, not just themselves, but their greater teams.

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Yeah.

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Um, to be able to communicate that kind of, you're welcome here and we're glad you're here.

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Kind of personality at whatever role they're in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, uh, for me it's about the number one customer is your employee, right?

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So, uh.

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Over years, 30 plus years of leading teams, I have found that, you know, your customer is your employee, not the customer.

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You know, you, if you treat your employees right, everything else takes care of itself.

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Everything takes care of itself, whether you're having a bad day or not.

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If you engage with your employees and you are sincerely and being a sincerely being with them and being authentic, it works.

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And things just start to happen and it's contagious throughout the day.

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Yeah.

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And then that graduates into a weekly thing and then a monthly thing, and then next thing you know, you're like, bam, I have culture.

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Holy cow.

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Everybody cares.

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I love it.

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Okay.

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And then the sale start increasing.

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Everybody's like, wow, what's, what's going on here?

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And it's like, that's when you sell and you tell them what you guys are doing is special, and it's us against the world mentality.

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And if it is a let's do everything right by everyone, let's do, let's serve, let's help.

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Uh, it just creates more business.

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Yeah.

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Because people, customers want to be around business, uh, people that care, they want to be around, uh, businesses that have the right attitude.

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They certainly don't want to go in and spend their hard earned dollar in a place where the person could give a, you know what?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I, I, I almost had dinner on Friday night last week with, uh, with my wife at.

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Texas Roadhouse.

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'cause we had a$20 gift card laying around and we had some stuff to do on the south side of town anyway.

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And then we didn't,'cause the wait was so long and we were the fourth couple deep looking for a spot in the bar.

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Oh, wow.

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And frankly, a lot of the reason for that is because they do a really good job of training their people to be welcoming.

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Yeah.

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To be kind and eager to serve.

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Um, and so whoever the manager is of the Texas Roadhouse down there at Timberline and Harmony.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think you're doing a good job.

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I, I visit because your

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food's not that great, but you're always busy.

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I, I'm with you there.

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So I, I am, uh, we are a avid fan of that particular location.

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We have been for six years.

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It was the first to go order we ordered during COV.

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Oh, interesting.

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Okay.

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So we weren't expecting much.

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And the person had the mask on and they're, and they're saying, Hey, you know, welcome to Texas Roadhouse.

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They didn't care that COVID was happening.

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They wanted to earn us as a customer.

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We got home and I swear to God, the food was exactly like you would have it, you know, on the plates.

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And so we became a fan and we talked to them every single time.

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We came back through COVID and then after we, we, they actually celebrated when we were able to come in and sit down Hmm.

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As a customer, they're like, Hey, this is your first time.

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Let's make sure they have a special time.

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Yeah.

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And that's what it's about.

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It's about giving, you know, the same and receiving the same kind of energy.

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Uh, they always have a consistent, just like what you said, the word consistent, uh, service there.

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And that company, the owners or the managers are, uh, invested in the company.

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Oh, they are?

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Yeah.

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They're part owners.

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So there is an ownership there.

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Oh, cool.

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And, and so if you're a leader in any business, again going back to the seven 11 or, or, or any other business, if you treat it as, if it's your shop, it's Johnny's business or whoever's business on there, and you are able to

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Johnny's Texas Roadhouse.

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Sure.

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Which I would love to have someday.

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Wouldn't that be great?

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Um, you know, my, I don't know if my wife would want me to eat meat every single day, but, uh, no, it's, it's, uh,

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they got blue and onions too, or whatever

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they do, bounce offs that that meat didn't

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take

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was some, and their dessert.

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Rock everything.

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Rocks.

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No, it's, it's about if you can get your employees to think ownership too, uh, that it really changes to own

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their role.

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Yeah.

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It, it, it changes being welcoming, it changes everything.

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So you're on the topic of restaurant restaurants, in my opinion.

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Uh.

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The host and the dishwasher are the most important people in the building.

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And I, I, some people are laughing right now, but I'll tell you why.

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The host sets the tone, right?

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So the family of five comes in, they've had a long week, you know, five day work week.

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Everybody's tired, like, I am too tired to cook.

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Let's go.

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They go into the restaurant and the host can make or break that moment.

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Yeah.

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With just the way they exchange the look.

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Yep.

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The body language, uh, to the tonality of the voice.

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And, and if it's a 19-year-old, 20-year-old, uh, person who doesn't have a lot of experience, uh, it can show or they can just be so eager that they are there to serve and they were hired because they had the right stuff in the interview.

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You can tell a lot about the place right away as soon as you walk in the first 30 seconds of a business.

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And then you go, you have your experience, you have your food.

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The food may be mediocre, and then you leave and the host is amazing again.

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You, you, you remember and remember the, the bookends of the transaction.

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Yeah.

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So if you're a restaurant owner, you're listening to this.

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There you go.

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And then I, now I go to the dishwasher.

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The dishwasher then tells the general manager what dishes,

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which plates are

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still

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full

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were and which ones were empty.

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And, and then they figure out, hey.

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Was it a line check that w failed?

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Did we miss something as far as an ingredient?

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Or people just aren't digging that right now?

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Yeah, they're, they're into something else entirely.

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Like, like some of the items that Texas Roadhouse has, they have some amazing, uh, apps.

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So

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we have a, a what we call a fixed giving party every year, ah, in November.

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Sure.

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Um, and it's, you know, a Friendsgiving and I, I make, uh, I smoke a Turkey and I roast a Turkey.

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Oh.

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Uh, and then my wife makes a couple things, but then everybody brings something too.

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Sure.

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Like, we've had as many as five cranberries one year, which was kind of sad.

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Uh, they were different kinds of cranberries, but it was a lot.

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Sure.

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Um, but it's always interesting to see which side dishes like are empty.

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Yeah.

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And which ones still have half or two thirds left, you know, you're like, well, the empty ones are the winners.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, you know, from a restaurant perspective, if you've got whatever this, uh, beef stroganoff dish, but it's coming back with a plate half full every time, you need to know that as the, as the chef, as the manager.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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It's, it's huge.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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And again, you, a restaurant is its own model.

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You can equate, uh, how well things sell, how well they are consumed based on the way the recipes executed, you know?

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Sure.

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And, and the passion of the kitchen manager.

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There's a lot of.

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Restaurants that have a lot of burned out managers right now.

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You know, they made it through CO maybe they were half employed.

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You know, there, there's multiple reasons why a kitchen manager is fried right now.

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And, you know, if they are burned out, you can tell on the menu.

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When you are sitting there and you're eating the food as a food connoisseur, myself or a foodie, we pick our places to go to eat.

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And we truly enjoy.

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We truly taste, we, we decide, hey, does this taste like cardboard or does this, you know, wow, is this chef, where are they from?

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You have to ask the server, Hey, where does your chef train?

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You know, it's, it's, it's that type of enthusiasm that has to come back as a consumer back to the business to help some of these places out so they can get re-energized and understand that, hey, customers are happy with our product, or customers are, they're not happy with this.

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It tastes like cardboard.

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What should we do?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I want to go to the start of resonate.

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Yeah.

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And like, what was your circumstances in life, because there's a lot of business coaches out there and, uh, yeah.

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The reasons for getting into the profession, I think is a big part of what drives success and, you know, what they've done before.

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Yeah.

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And we'll get into that later, but what was your circumstance in life

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circumstance?

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Yeah, excellent question.

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So, um, I was actually, I was actually fired from a job and, uh, it was a.

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It was a situation where I had never been fired before and I looked at this as an opportunity.

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I'm like, what do I do?

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Do I, do I crawl up and, and fail and hide, or do I, do I have the confidence and knowing that I know what I'm doing and not just listen to that prior boss.

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And so part of this has been motivational purely in the sense that I just wanna show everybody that I, I do know what I'm doing, but the other, the bigger part of this is the passion that I have to help businesses grow.

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And, you know, I've been doing it for, what, 35 years?

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Uh, I have excelled in every single business, uh, profession that I've been a part of.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I absolutely love building business from the numbers side, from the people side, from the customer side.

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There's not an angle I don't love about it, whether it's a,

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can I ask where, where were you fired from?

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What were you?

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Uh, yeah, so I, I, I was told not to say, but Oh, okay.

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Uh, it was, uh, ace handyman.

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Um, so I went ahead and just said it.

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And he's actually a couple blocks over from here, and I just, oh wow.

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I re, I re-engaged with him not too long ago.

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So this is, uh, I'm interesting.

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I'm confessing a story in front of people right now.

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Uh.

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He was the one who introduced me to, uh, BNI networking.

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Okay.

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And that, and I had no idea about BNI, I was told, Hey, go down to Boulder and uh, let's, let's get some presence down there and through the BN

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Oh, so you're gonna open a new market

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for Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Him or something.

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Yeah.

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And we did, and it went really well.

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And I'd say within four or five months, you know, if we had, you know, one to two techs going out, uh, seven to 10 jobs a week, I had us up to 10 techs over 90 jobs a week.

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Oh, dang.

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Yeah.

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So we flip flopped the business, uh, percentage.

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So if 65% of it was coming from Northern Colorado, I now had it generating from superior, Lewisville, Boulder, that whole southern area Oh wow.

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Of, of the front range.

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And I'm like, wow.

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BNI works one, two, he was right to send me down here.

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Um, and we were growing at a very, very healthy, positive rate.

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Went not too fast or anything like that, but it was just a, he brought me in to do exactly what I do, and that is to grow business.

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He actually recruited me to come in.

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So our, our dispute was over pure moral compass.

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And I don't.

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I don't shift my moral compass on anything.

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As far as the, the non-negotiables of business, you don't, uh, allow two employees to fight.

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Um, you don't steal from a company.

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Uh, no sexual harassment is allowed.

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And, you know, if somebody is going to, um, put themselves in danger or one of the other employees in danger because they were intoxicated during a shift, it is our obligation as a manager or leader to make sure that that doesn't happen again.

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So he, he had some bad employees.

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We had a family member that I had to compete with, a family member of his.

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So, uh, that person was excluded from all policy.

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And we just went back and forth.

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And, uh, finally I was, I was told on a Sunday morning you hit the door and one week later resonate started.

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So I was completely motivated.

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Are

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you comfortable with sharing that?

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Do you want that you were square?

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I'm totally comfortable sharing it.

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Sure.

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So I started resonate, uh, it was already, that

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must

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have been in your cooker already.

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It was, yeah.

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You were already thinking

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about

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it.

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Yeah.

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For three or four months it was going.

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My LinkedIn had kind of changed.

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I, I loved the name resonate because, uh, from a musician, I was a former musician, uh, drummer.

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And just the word resonate works for me.

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Yeah.

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It's a beautiful way of, of, of transcribing sound and

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Well, and as somebody that's.

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Watched a lot of, uh, like jam bands and stuff over the years, when, when a band is really resonating

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Yes.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And all the different, you know, there might be four or five, six pieces to the band and it's just flowing and everybody in the audience is connected to that experience of those, that band being together.

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Yes.

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Or a good jazz quintet even, or

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Yeah, yeah.

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Whatever.

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Yep.

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It's a, it's a pretty cool thing to see that kind of improvisational yet cons, I don't know.

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Yeah.

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It's a, it's a special thing when, when bands are really in that zone

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and, and I, I, I pair, I pair the two together.

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Right.

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So exactly what you talked about with being a manager or leader, you have to constantly improvise.

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You have to constantly read the staff and that, and that's the, the equivalent of a conductor looking at your symphony in front of you.

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And if somebody's outta tune, you've gotta call'em out and say, Hey, you're outta tune.

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Let's, let's get you in, in, in pitch.

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Let's do this, let's do that.

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And you get it to where everybody is in line with each other, they're aligned with the song and everybody understands the tempo.

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And so that is my angle for

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Yeah.

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Business coaching.

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Yeah.

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And it's always been extremely effective because people love the music side that I can inject into my business theory, or, or I should say business model.

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Um, I've got, what, 20 plus years of music industry and I, I've met you name it.

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In the industry, whatever.

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And if I didn't play with them, I knew'em.

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If I didn't live with them, I, I played with somebody who knew'em.

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So I, I equate some of the leadership, uh, skillset to, um, particular musicians and, uh, rock icons basically.

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I mean, I started when I was 18.

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I started going to the MTV awards down in LA in 88 when it was really cool.

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I mean, really cool to go there.

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And you're at a after party and you've got Guns and Roses, you've got Bonjovi, you got ice tea, you've got Madonna, George, Michael to share to, uh, the Cure.

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Everyone's right there.

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And you're an 18-year-old kid going, wow, what is this?

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You know?

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Hmm.

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And so you meet some of these people and they, some of'em had huge egos and they're like, who are you kid?

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And then there was others that were like, laser focused on you.

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Mm-hmm.

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And one in particular was, uh, David Bowie had the chance to meet him.

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He would've been 2002.

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It was actually here in Denver, um, at the O2 festival.

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And he was nothing about David Bowie.

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He wanted to know about the buffalo up at Genesee Park.

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He wanted to know about, you know, is it really the altitude?

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Does it really get you, every time I sing here, I always have to have the mass.

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But does it really not matter once you're here for a while and you're looking at this guy going, he's got a blue eye and a brown eye, I just can't even listen to what he say.

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'cause I'm so emphatic of what is going on here.

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I'm, I'm sitting behind a rock odd, but what I'm getting at is.

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You have leaders, even in current day right now, in bigger positions other than companies.

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We can go into politics.

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I don't, we don't have to, but Sure.

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You have ego and ego is the biggest killer.

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I was just talking with my crew today, how, uh, the way, the way I read it on the current circumstance is Trump's like, hey, like everybody says Norway.

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It's the Norwegian Peace Prize.

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Right?

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It's the Norwegian Peace Prize.

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And everybody said, I should have got the prize.

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And even the person that you gave the prize to Yeah.

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She gave it to me because she knew I should had the prize and, uh, I want Greenland.

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Yeah.

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And you just say, I'm sorry for not giving me the peace prize, otherwise I'm gonna raise holy hell war.

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Yeah.

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Against you guys for not giving me the peace prize.

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Yeah.

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And I want Greenland.

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Um, sorry, I'm working on my trumpet impersonation.

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No, that's pretty rough.

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That was my first actual effort at it.

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That that actually wasn't that bad.

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It was good.

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I, yeah, I, I just, uh, I, working in some of the industries that I have, you have people that are far up in the, in the chain where they just, they don't lead down.

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They talk down.

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Hmm.

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And it's because their position, they feel like they can do that and it just demoralizes a staff and imagine that on a bigger level.

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Yeah.

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Obviously to governments you have, you have.

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Horrific things going on.

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And in my opinion, I is because we, we don't have somebody that's serving the people.

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We have somebody that's, that is serving their own, um, angle.

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And, you know, I get it.

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If you're a CEO, you're like, well, I, I just wanna make money.

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I just wanna make money.

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I just wanna make money.

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But, uh, from an

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organic, well, the cool thing about politics these days is that.

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If you get into politics, you could make a lot of money really fast.

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Like,

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yeah.

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Even with a modest salary of 175,000 a year or something, you can add millions to your balance sheet in a matter of one congressional term.

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I, I unfortunately, am not one of those people.

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I, uh, I thought about running.

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Yeah, I, I thought about running for a local office.

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I thought about, uh, being anything just to make a difference, right.

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Uh, in a positive way and see people, uh, attracted to the fact that, uh, I would be working for them.

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Every single thing that they want done.

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I would be working for not, it's not my agenda.

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It really is the people's agenda and, you know.

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I take that the same angle in a leadership position where I always said, if you could, if you were ever to interview any of my old employees, they would tell you.

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Johnny would always say, he is your assistant.

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Yeah.

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I'm here to help.

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Yeah.

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Remove challenges and opportunities

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or

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roadblocks from

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you.

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Yeah.

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Uh, because a, a leader, uh, whether I am one or not, you know, that's for them to decide, but I, my job was to make their job easier.

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Yeah.

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And not to, uh, steamroll through and say, you have to be, you have to suffer through this, so you can't go home to see your family.

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It was, how can I make the shift as easy and as fun for them as possible?

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Because that, I found, was brought productivity, and productivity brings money.

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Money brings raises, and that's what makes the employee happy.

00:25:28.777 --> 00:25:29.616
Yeah, totally.

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It's, it's a chain reaction.

00:25:31.027 --> 00:25:35.797
So did you like have like a framework developed already?

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Did you have to go out there?

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Did you have to get, like, licensed to be a coach or something?

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Is there a fle way?

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Uh, book

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there, there is a, there's a, I'm sure there's a PLE way.

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I didn't take it because, uh, two years in, I sometimes feel like it's my first day in the office with Resonate.

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Uh, and what's funny is I know how to run somebody else's business, but when it comes to running my own, I'm like, Ooh, you know, I, Ooh, day one again.

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Day one again, you know?

00:26:02.886 --> 00:26:03.487
Uh, but

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that's one of the challenges of being a coach, frankly, is Yeah.

00:26:07.027 --> 00:26:07.086
You

00:26:07.086 --> 00:26:10.057
know, if you're keeping really long term coaching clients.

00:26:10.886 --> 00:26:11.817
You're kind of doing it wrong.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and yet you don't want to, like, you know, it's hard to always have brand new clients get'em, uh, regularly.

00:26:19.047 --> 00:26:20.186
So it's nailed a tricky

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Yeah.

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You nailed it.

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Tricky business to get established in.

00:26:22.616 --> 00:26:23.096
You nailed it.

00:26:23.096 --> 00:26:25.257
I, I am not certified as a coach.

00:26:25.287 --> 00:26:32.696
I, my angle is experience and with experience breeds knowledge, with knowledge brings wisdom.

00:26:32.696 --> 00:26:32.997
Right.

00:26:32.997 --> 00:26:42.507
So, um, if somebody asks me, Hey Johnny, which I get a lot in the, specifically in the hiring area is, uh, Hey, could you help us hire?

00:26:43.166 --> 00:26:49.317
Um, I have on my website, I've, I've interviewed well over 10,000 applicants in my career.

00:26:49.317 --> 00:27:06.326
So I have a knack or a, uh, a little bit of an extra, I, I wouldn't call it a gift'cause I hate using that word, but I, I would say I have, I have some really good experience in reading people and I can tell when somebody's giving the, the owner.

00:27:06.731 --> 00:27:10.807
An answer that they know is, is expected, or, you know?

00:27:10.807 --> 00:27:11.086
Yeah.

00:27:11.086 --> 00:27:11.106
You know,

00:27:11.321 --> 00:27:17.801
when the, when the interviewer is asking the question, well, tell me about a time that really challenged you and how did you deal with it?

00:27:17.832 --> 00:27:19.102
You know, it it, those are, you can

00:27:19.102 --> 00:27:20.382
tell when it's a rehearsed one versus

00:27:20.382 --> 00:27:20.471
one.

00:27:20.471 --> 00:27:20.832
Exactly.

00:27:21.551 --> 00:27:33.311
I, so I like to throw in right angle, left angle questions that are not rehearsal, that are right in between two totally different questions so that they're like, wow, what did I, what just happened?

00:27:33.311 --> 00:27:35.561
And it creates that honest answer.

00:27:36.221 --> 00:27:37.721
And that's the answer we're looking for.

00:27:37.902 --> 00:27:46.811
Uh, and I, I'm gonna break this down as, as simple as this, this is it, it is a really ridiculous question, but it tells me so much about a candidate.

00:27:46.811 --> 00:27:53.531
So I'll say, tell me how to describe in detail a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

00:27:54.731 --> 00:27:55.961
Usually get two responses.

00:27:55.961 --> 00:28:01.692
One is the re the applicant will go a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

00:28:01.932 --> 00:28:03.821
Why would I want, you know, it's immediate.

00:28:03.821 --> 00:28:04.662
Like, why do I like

00:28:04.662 --> 00:28:05.471
almost dismissal?

00:28:05.501 --> 00:28:05.711
Yeah.

00:28:05.711 --> 00:28:08.622
They think it's a joke, which that's not your person.

00:28:08.711 --> 00:28:08.862
Yeah.

00:28:08.862 --> 00:28:09.432
Right away.

00:28:09.491 --> 00:28:12.912
That within that first instance, it tells you that's not your person.

00:28:12.912 --> 00:28:18.372
Or the person's be like, they're going to contemplate and they're gonna say, okay, I'm gonna walk into the kitchen.

00:28:18.372 --> 00:28:19.481
I'm gonna start with a cabinet.

00:28:19.481 --> 00:28:22.332
I'm gonna open the lefthanded, uh, side.

00:28:22.332 --> 00:28:26.471
I'm gonna get a, a fork for my peanut butter, or a, a knife for my peanut butter.

00:28:26.471 --> 00:28:28.122
I'm gonna get a spoon for my jelly.

00:28:28.571 --> 00:28:31.182
Get out two pieces of bread and they start describing it.

00:28:31.182 --> 00:28:31.511
Right?

00:28:31.511 --> 00:28:32.172
And so every.

00:28:32.487 --> 00:28:36.537
Description they're talking about, I'm checking on a piece of paper with tally marks.

00:28:37.287 --> 00:28:40.676
If it's 10 or under, that person is not detailed.

00:28:40.826 --> 00:28:44.906
If it's 11 to 20, you're in a good sweet spot with that person.

00:28:44.906 --> 00:28:56.396
If it's 21 or more, then you're, you're dealing with somebody who is Ty, who's typically very anal retentive, and they're gonna be analyzing everything you do and everything you do in the company is wrong.

00:28:56.396 --> 00:29:01.136
So it, it helps you guide, it helps you guide the interview.

00:29:01.136 --> 00:29:01.287
I'd like

00:29:01.287 --> 00:29:01.797
to try it.

00:29:01.797 --> 00:29:02.366
Could I try it?

00:29:02.457 --> 00:29:02.997
Yes, please.

00:29:03.747 --> 00:29:20.636
So, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich is a high calorie, uh, high fat and, uh, sugar product that, um, poor people eat or teenagers.

00:29:23.096 --> 00:29:24.777
And just kidding.

00:29:25.196 --> 00:29:28.047
Um, I'm not really a fan of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

00:29:28.047 --> 00:29:32.126
My wife is, and she grew up much wealthier than me, but, uh, yeah, yeah.

00:29:32.277 --> 00:29:32.547
Sorry.

00:29:32.787 --> 00:29:34.166
No, it, it's, it's the,

00:29:34.166 --> 00:29:39.747
as an economist in a bit of a foodie though, it, it's, it's kind of, it's fine.

00:29:39.777 --> 00:29:41.457
You could, you could find it to be trivial.

00:29:41.547 --> 00:29:44.576
It, it's really not about the peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

00:29:44.576 --> 00:29:45.001
It's, it's

00:29:45.001 --> 00:29:45.807
about the construction of it.

00:29:45.836 --> 00:29:54.267
It, it's about them listening to the question, taking it seriously and describing to us in detail how they would methodically handle.

00:29:54.971 --> 00:29:56.561
Situation that they know about.

00:29:56.561 --> 00:29:58.271
So same thing like in the trades.

00:29:58.602 --> 00:30:04.721
Hey, walk me through how you would patch a six by six inch hole in drywall.

00:30:06.612 --> 00:30:17.922
I guarantee you, 90% of the time, every time I ask this question, it is a, well, I just, I, I grab some tape and mud, I, I throw it on there and I spread it around.

00:30:18.132 --> 00:30:19.751
It's just, that is not the guy.

00:30:19.751 --> 00:30:22.422
You want to go into a million dollar house

00:30:22.632 --> 00:30:22.872
Yeah.

00:30:22.932 --> 00:30:27.882
To fix that hole for that lady who is staring at, to make sure that that is done right.

00:30:28.632 --> 00:30:37.241
You want the person that's gonna tell you the type of material they're gonna use, the process, how they're going to square it up, how they're gonna add a patch, how they're going to, uh,

00:30:37.241 --> 00:30:38.951
gonna remove the exterior surface.

00:30:38.951 --> 00:30:39.011
Yeah.

00:30:39.011 --> 00:30:43.511
In a 12 by 12 area, so that I can focus on the six by six hole and still have a good

00:30:44.082 --> 00:30:44.412
Yeah.

00:30:44.622 --> 00:30:53.142
And that person is your next teacher, leader, trainer of your company based on how they answer that question.

00:30:53.142 --> 00:30:53.501
That's cool.

00:30:53.561 --> 00:30:53.862
Okay.

00:30:53.862 --> 00:30:55.451
So it really does tell you a lot.

00:30:55.451 --> 00:31:05.531
So 35, 35 years in, I can ask all those regular questions that are on interview sheets everywhere, but everybody understands what they are, they already know what they're getting.

00:31:05.531 --> 00:31:11.531
They people are Googling companies questions, interview questions from prior people that didn't get hired.

00:31:11.951 --> 00:31:23.021
I would say one of your special talents, um, because I've been able to be somewhat successful in my career in banking and local think tank because I can put myself into the.

00:31:23.277 --> 00:31:25.196
Owners eyes.

00:31:25.287 --> 00:31:25.586
Yeah.

00:31:25.737 --> 00:31:26.426
A decent amount.

00:31:26.426 --> 00:31:42.596
And imagine what it's like and resonate with them because of that, what you do really well is put your brain into the, the frontline and the employee's eyes and to the customer's perspective when they're interacting with these employees and stuff.

00:31:42.866 --> 00:31:43.406
I love that.

00:31:43.412 --> 00:31:43.761
That's

00:31:43.761 --> 00:31:43.922
awesome.

00:31:43.926 --> 00:31:50.186
Like I would say in some ways, probably one of your softer spots is interacting with the owners of these companies.

00:31:50.636 --> 00:31:54.507
'cause you're so good at imagining the, the operational elements.

00:31:54.777 --> 00:32:03.297
Uh,'cause that's been partly your, your role, like you were the obstacle remover a lot of the stages of your career.

00:32:04.227 --> 00:32:07.436
Yeah, that's, uh, that's a, that's a really cool way of looking at it.

00:32:07.436 --> 00:32:21.326
I, I would say that, um, when I do coach a, a business owner, entrepreneur, a solo person, a husband, wife, a scenario, I give them their perspective.

00:32:21.326 --> 00:32:23.156
I give them the customer's perspective.

00:32:23.156 --> 00:32:24.926
I give them the employee's perspective.

00:32:24.926 --> 00:32:26.997
And they need, they need to hear that.

00:32:26.997 --> 00:32:32.547
They need to see it because half the time, no more than half the time, they're wearing eight to 10 hats.

00:32:32.547 --> 00:32:32.817
Sure.

00:32:33.386 --> 00:32:42.807
And they don't have time to, to just kind of let it all go and say, okay, now let's focus on this and do it and drive it correctly.

00:32:42.866 --> 00:32:49.497
So where I come in, uh, as I've had on my LinkedIn, uh, as a fractional, uh, fixer is.

00:32:49.902 --> 00:32:53.321
I can go in and recognize a problem immediately.

00:32:53.321 --> 00:32:56.231
It can be via paper, uh, p and l.

00:32:56.981 --> 00:32:59.561
It can be walking in the building.

00:32:59.682 --> 00:33:02.231
It can be literally the first 30 seconds of walking.

00:33:02.321 --> 00:33:02.951
It can, your

00:33:02.951 --> 00:33:06.612
hostess is terrible, just saying.

00:33:06.942 --> 00:33:07.362
Yeah.

00:33:07.571 --> 00:33:15.132
Or you've got a mouse, you know, going across or, you know, the, the, the first three people that I walked past didn't even engage with me.

00:33:15.162 --> 00:33:15.372
Yeah.

00:33:15.372 --> 00:33:24.041
You know, I mean, it, it, you can, we can do this brick and mortar retail, you can do it via a phone call when you're calling in and you're asking for somebody.

00:33:24.491 --> 00:33:29.832
You can tell by that vibe on that just by the voice of the customer or voice of the employee on the phone.

00:33:29.832 --> 00:33:31.541
They're if, if they're engaged or not.

00:33:31.541 --> 00:33:31.662
Sure.

00:33:31.662 --> 00:33:33.971
You know, and it's like, that's what I focus on.

00:33:33.971 --> 00:33:41.471
I focus on the behaviors, the tonality, um, and the energy and engagement given to me as a customer.

00:33:41.471 --> 00:33:44.082
And that is my coaching moment for the owners.

00:33:44.172 --> 00:33:44.291
Yeah.

00:33:45.162 --> 00:33:48.251
You know, or the leadership on what they can do to improve.

00:33:48.251 --> 00:33:58.721
So somewhat your, your focus of your coaching, the PLE plan is, uh, is really communications between the owner and their teams.

00:33:58.961 --> 00:33:59.201
Yeah.

00:33:59.261 --> 00:34:04.031
And really understanding, translating, uh, communicating well.

00:34:04.182 --> 00:34:04.392
Yeah.

00:34:04.451 --> 00:34:05.711
You know, what we're here for.

00:34:05.801 --> 00:34:12.552
What constitutes a, a victory in the eyes of management, in the eyes of customers, uh, et cetera.

00:34:12.731 --> 00:34:13.061
Yeah.

00:34:13.152 --> 00:34:18.041
And I, and I like to, I like to make, I like to create a.

00:34:19.211 --> 00:34:27.806
A, a, a room of ideas and basically get the person to think, the employee, the owner.

00:34:27.806 --> 00:34:33.867
Think just a little bit outside the box, because that is why I started my deal.

00:34:33.867 --> 00:34:36.987
Because it is not your typical business coach model.

00:34:37.407 --> 00:34:44.967
It is not a MBA from Princeton type deal, where the, it is solid books training.

00:34:44.996 --> 00:34:46.286
Hey, you've gotta do it this way.

00:34:46.286 --> 00:34:49.556
This is pure 35 years, boots on the ground.

00:34:49.556 --> 00:34:49.737
Well, it's

00:34:49.737 --> 00:34:51.686
improvisational, it's jazz.

00:34:51.987 --> 00:34:52.376
Yeah.

00:34:52.376 --> 00:34:53.456
And it has to be more.

00:34:53.461 --> 00:35:01.137
And, and, okay, so you look at that, some of the greatest players in jazz never even were taught.

00:35:01.166 --> 00:35:01.467
Sure.

00:35:01.472 --> 00:35:06.597
They, they just, they taught themselves same way with rock music or any other, uh, deal.

00:35:06.597 --> 00:35:09.626
But, you know, music is a beautiful thing to me.

00:35:09.626 --> 00:35:35.036
And when you, when you see or hear that soloist, that quartet, that symphony, uh, it rock, it doesn't matter if, if they're all in sync and they're in it and they can literally just look at each other, or it is a way that they swipe the, the hand up on the guitar, just a few frets, and that tells the bass player, okay, he needs to now drop to a d.

00:35:35.487 --> 00:35:37.947
Those are the, oh, those are beautiful moments.

00:35:37.976 --> 00:35:38.246
Yeah.

00:35:38.246 --> 00:35:41.577
And that's, and that's really, it kind of gives you goosebumps, right?

00:35:41.577 --> 00:35:45.086
It's like, uh, that's, I love that about managing and leading,

00:35:45.146 --> 00:35:45.597
right.

00:35:45.686 --> 00:35:47.606
Getting with team and, and just finding that.

00:35:48.387 --> 00:35:53.427
You're not like, you know, your way around a balance sheet and a p and l and things like that.

00:35:53.427 --> 00:35:53.666
Yeah.

00:35:53.672 --> 00:35:59.637
Like, you understand that, you know, ultimately that those are the, the outcomes of the behaviors that are expressed.

00:35:59.637 --> 00:35:59.996
Bingo.

00:36:00.146 --> 00:36:00.387
Yep.

00:36:00.387 --> 00:36:00.777
Right.

00:36:00.777 --> 00:36:22.496
And meanwhile, uh, uh, MBA graduate from CSU with no business experience, has got all the finances and probably a lot of communications theory and leadership stuff, but almost no practical experience about making the sausage, you know, building the widgets and selling them to the people, whatever that is.

00:36:22.677 --> 00:36:22.947
Yeah.

00:36:23.036 --> 00:36:25.226
You, you are right on the money on that.

00:36:25.226 --> 00:36:30.777
It's, uh, and, and look, I'm not disregarding, uh, education in any way, shape, or form.

00:36:30.806 --> 00:36:30.896
Sure.

00:36:30.902 --> 00:36:39.987
I, I love the fact that, you know, uh, somebody comes out, schooled, uh, and wants to be the best that they can be in a, in a business coach scenario.

00:36:40.257 --> 00:36:45.476
I think there's 50 some odd business coaches up in Northern Colorado alone.

00:36:47.246 --> 00:36:50.367
What makes the difference is.

00:36:52.331 --> 00:36:53.742
The impact with the customer.

00:36:53.742 --> 00:37:07.692
So if I have somebody who hires me and I have just blown them away, I have given them everything that they thought about, dreamt about, uh, felt about, and I have solved those first three gigantic frogs that are in the room.

00:37:08.501 --> 00:37:09.851
I know I'm getting hired again.

00:37:09.911 --> 00:37:12.251
You know, I, I've, I've been doing this two years now.

00:37:12.282 --> 00:37:16.961
I've got, what, 16 Google reviews, 16 clients that have said, you are five

00:37:16.961 --> 00:37:17.501
stars baby.

00:37:17.501 --> 00:37:18.311
Five star baby.

00:37:18.311 --> 00:37:23.621
You know, I just got accredited with, uh, better Business Bureau, uh, which a lot of coaches don't have.

00:37:23.711 --> 00:37:30.012
Uh, but what I would say is, uh, every coach brings a beautiful angle to teach a team.

00:37:30.192 --> 00:37:33.101
You know, you, that's why you look at the NFL.

00:37:33.101 --> 00:37:42.521
You have four teams now that are where they are because the coach has an ability to bring in their players that they want to take to the championship.

00:37:42.521 --> 00:37:58.032
And, and what I like to think that I'm different with a coach is from other coaches is I can go into a room fairly quickly and analyze the staff, analyze the leadership within seconds, and just understand, okay, this is toxic, it's healthy.

00:37:58.452 --> 00:38:00.371
Um, it's unproductive.

00:38:00.402 --> 00:38:01.541
It needs help.

00:38:01.541 --> 00:38:02.891
It needs 30 days help.

00:38:02.891 --> 00:38:05.291
It needs literally a two hour conversation.

00:38:05.291 --> 00:38:07.782
Or this is a real quick fix of 15 minutes.

00:38:07.782 --> 00:38:13.931
I, I will not charge a customer for a month's time, something that I could fix in 15 minutes.

00:38:14.001 --> 00:38:16.692
I if it's really, it's just a matter of.

00:38:17.097 --> 00:38:23.246
Changing some verbiage with phone or changing verbiage with how they talk to their employees, which I have done.

00:38:23.637 --> 00:38:25.407
It makes the world of difference.

00:38:25.407 --> 00:38:30.686
And once you turn the employees into that customer, it, everything else again, takes care of itself.

00:38:30.686 --> 00:38:37.856
And they see the flip of the pancake, they see the business grow, and within a week it's like, wow, okay, we have double digit comps.

00:38:38.487 --> 00:38:42.266
Uh, okay, we have some more CSAT scores that have come in.

00:38:42.266 --> 00:38:43.766
We are crushing it now, guys.

00:38:43.766 --> 00:38:44.067
Wow.

00:38:44.097 --> 00:38:44.456
Okay.

00:38:44.456 --> 00:38:48.927
Now everybody gets, they start leaning in and that's the special sauce.

00:38:48.927 --> 00:38:51.476
That's the B12 that Johnny PLE brings.

00:38:52.166 --> 00:38:52.646
I did that.

00:38:53.367 --> 00:39:03.717
What, uh, did you develop that over time, that kind of employees as customer thing or was that part of the foundation of the PLE plan or even before that you were already walking it, living it kind of,

00:39:03.956 --> 00:39:04.766
yeah, it was

00:39:04.856 --> 00:39:05.606
well before probably.

00:39:05.637 --> 00:39:06.657
No, that's a great question.

00:39:06.657 --> 00:39:13.887
I, I was, I was promoted, uh, to an assistant manager back at warehouse music in, uh, cord Madera, California.

00:39:15.266 --> 00:39:18.567
And I was promoted over two of my roommates.

00:39:18.927 --> 00:39:25.077
Uh, and that really began the immediate shift of, okay, you can't be friends with these guys anymore.

00:39:25.077 --> 00:39:26.487
You have to become a, a leader.

00:39:26.516 --> 00:39:30.297
You have to be the supervisor because your boss says you have something special.

00:39:30.507 --> 00:39:30.806
Yeah.

00:39:30.896 --> 00:39:32.786
That you can lead and do something right?

00:39:32.786 --> 00:39:34.106
And I had gas.

00:39:34.141 --> 00:39:35.876
I, I had the give a shit attitude.

00:39:35.876 --> 00:39:44.036
So, um, you know, once you are able to get through those difficult situations, difficult conversations with a roommate and say, Hey, I mean, you know,

00:39:44.067 --> 00:39:45.567
did you quit being friends with them or

00:39:45.567 --> 00:39:46.016
no?

00:39:46.077 --> 00:39:49.222
Uh, they didn't wanna be my roommate afterwards.

00:39:49.222 --> 00:39:50.916
Like, I'm the boss of you now.

00:39:51.181 --> 00:39:52.797
I, I, I didn't like that.

00:39:52.827 --> 00:40:01.827
It, it was horrible, uh, position for me to be in, but what a huge, uh, uh, notch on the, on the belt to learn, right?

00:40:01.827 --> 00:40:08.126
You, you just learn how to deal with that scenario going forward all the way to the 89 earthquake.

00:40:08.126 --> 00:40:09.806
How to deal with crisis management.

00:40:09.806 --> 00:40:12.626
You know, the entire building is, is shaking.

00:40:12.626 --> 00:40:15.746
You've got 6,000 videos that are cr, you know, falling on the ground.

00:40:15.746 --> 00:40:20.306
You've got, uh, employees that are cry, crying, uh, stories to go a mile.

00:40:20.306 --> 00:40:21.536
I've got the LA riots.

00:40:21.536 --> 00:40:22.646
You've got, uh,

00:40:22.737 --> 00:40:23.487
we'll come back.

00:40:23.516 --> 00:40:24.686
Yeah, we'll catch it on the,

00:40:24.686 --> 00:40:25.766
on the time machine part.

00:40:25.856 --> 00:40:27.686
All, all the way to COID, you name it.

00:40:27.686 --> 00:40:35.306
But you know, it's, uh, all that, all that experience, um, I learned over the course of years of what to do and what not to do.

00:40:35.306 --> 00:40:44.277
So in essence, resonate was just really, um, again, a hundred percent confidence in knowing how to shift a business into the positive.

00:40:45.416 --> 00:40:50.277
Um, what are your, like is this your career for the next 20 years?

00:40:50.306 --> 00:40:50.786
God willing.

00:40:51.297 --> 00:40:51.626
Yeah.

00:40:51.806 --> 00:40:52.467
That's your plan?

00:40:52.556 --> 00:40:52.797
Yeah.

00:40:52.797 --> 00:40:55.376
And then whatever, sail off into the sunset somewhere.

00:40:55.436 --> 00:40:55.677
Yeah.

00:40:55.677 --> 00:40:57.927
Plan is, uh, 2026 here.

00:40:57.987 --> 00:40:59.427
Uh, book is coming out.

00:40:59.427 --> 00:41:00.476
First book is coming out.

00:41:00.476 --> 00:41:00.507
Okay.

00:41:00.536 --> 00:41:04.197
Uh, that will hopefully launch two and three down the road.

00:41:05.186 --> 00:41:05.306
Uh,

00:41:05.697 --> 00:41:07.442
is that, is that, uh, do you have a title already?

00:41:07.492 --> 00:41:08.246
Title, uh, yeah.

00:41:08.246 --> 00:41:09.356
Everything Matters.

00:41:09.356 --> 00:41:13.887
The, the 10 Fle Principles of What to Do and What Not to Do in Business.

00:41:14.367 --> 00:41:17.336
So I, I literally just printed it out today.

00:41:17.367 --> 00:41:19.556
Uh, I'm working with Intelligent Inc.

00:41:19.617 --> 00:41:19.896
Uh, okay.

00:41:19.896 --> 00:41:22.617
Of, uh, uh, Australia.

00:41:23.157 --> 00:41:25.976
And we just fit with each other on LinkedIn.

00:41:25.976 --> 00:41:30.266
I think everything should be like, you should do What's that?

00:41:30.266 --> 00:41:32.246
It, it kind of sounds like a lisp or something.

00:41:32.246 --> 00:41:34.137
When you say it's a it's a pimple plan.

00:41:34.286 --> 00:41:38.847
You could like, kind of do a lot of exercises, could have that kind of thing.

00:41:38.876 --> 00:41:38.967
Sure.

00:41:38.967 --> 00:41:48.356
Or maybe mix in some like, uh, like Asian, uh, stereotypes or something about RS or stuff.

00:41:48.356 --> 00:41:48.987
I don't know.

00:41:49.737 --> 00:41:52.192
Just as a, as a, as a, as a catch, as a hook.

00:41:52.916 --> 00:41:53.456
Sure,

00:41:53.547 --> 00:41:53.876
sure.

00:41:53.876 --> 00:41:54.447
Or maybe not.

00:41:54.536 --> 00:41:54.896
I don't know.

00:41:54.927 --> 00:41:55.436
No, no.

00:41:55.467 --> 00:41:56.067
I, I keep

00:41:56.097 --> 00:41:56.577
working on it.

00:41:56.666 --> 00:41:56.847
Yeah.

00:41:56.847 --> 00:41:58.706
No, I, I'm, I'm picking up what you're throwing down.

00:41:58.856 --> 00:42:00.177
Uh, I, uh,

00:42:00.536 --> 00:42:02.306
just stick with the pimple only probably.

00:42:02.336 --> 00:42:04.496
Well, some, but they joke about it.

00:42:04.496 --> 00:42:12.536
'cause every time, if I'm doing a keynote and I hear somebody when we're going through the question and answer stage, when somebody says, well, you know, it's really simple.

00:42:12.536 --> 00:42:12.806
Really.

00:42:12.806 --> 00:42:15.476
And I'll, and then I will immediately go, it's really pimple.

00:42:15.476 --> 00:42:15.536
Yeah.

00:42:15.536 --> 00:42:17.817
And then it, it connects us all again.

00:42:17.817 --> 00:42:20.367
That, Hey, this is, this is my message to you.

00:42:20.367 --> 00:42:20.516
Keep it

00:42:20.516 --> 00:42:21.492
ple OpID.

00:42:23.036 --> 00:42:23.606
I love that.

00:42:23.666 --> 00:42:24.297
You can use that

00:42:26.036 --> 00:42:28.047
kiss kiss of, kiss of No.

00:42:28.407 --> 00:42:29.126
Keep it pimple

00:42:29.186 --> 00:42:29.847
or kif.

00:42:29.876 --> 00:42:30.387
Keep it ple.

00:42:31.047 --> 00:42:31.317
Yeah.

00:42:31.766 --> 00:42:32.036
Right.

00:42:32.637 --> 00:42:34.047
I'll say that 10 times fast.

00:42:34.916 --> 00:42:35.347
Uh, yeah.

00:42:35.492 --> 00:42:35.612
Although

00:42:35.666 --> 00:42:36.686
I don't know what KIF is.

00:42:36.987 --> 00:42:37.226
No.

00:42:37.226 --> 00:42:37.766
Keep it ple.

00:42:38.572 --> 00:42:38.811
Fued.

00:42:39.027 --> 00:42:39.327
Yeah.

00:42:39.567 --> 00:42:39.657
Kif.

00:42:39.867 --> 00:42:40.617
But, uh,

00:42:40.621 --> 00:42:41.907
ki I know what KIF is.

00:42:42.146 --> 00:42:42.536
Yeah.

00:42:43.331 --> 00:42:45.641
Ke and that short for Yeah, I, I,

00:42:45.641 --> 00:42:45.882
anyway.

00:42:46.396 --> 00:42:46.686
Okay.

00:42:46.722 --> 00:42:48.101
So, uh, yeah.

00:42:48.101 --> 00:42:49.206
So 15.

00:42:49.391 --> 00:42:49.541
Yeah.

00:42:49.541 --> 00:42:52.001
And speaker, like, is that part of your like

00:42:52.007 --> 00:42:52.166
Yeah.

00:42:52.391 --> 00:42:56.021
You were talking about that early on, like, you need to write a book, you need to get out there and speak

00:42:56.021 --> 00:42:56.501
Yeah.

00:42:56.507 --> 00:42:57.161
And stuff.

00:42:57.222 --> 00:42:57.492
Yeah.

00:42:57.492 --> 00:43:02.487
So I, I uh, I graduated with, uh, national Speakers Association this last summer.

00:43:02.666 --> 00:43:03.311
Oh, okay.

00:43:03.371 --> 00:43:04.092
Uh, down in Denver.

00:43:04.092 --> 00:43:04.362
You went through

00:43:04.362 --> 00:43:05.021
their bootcamp

00:43:05.021 --> 00:43:05.291
or something?

00:43:05.297 --> 00:43:05.711
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:05.711 --> 00:43:10.032
It was one year and it, everything I thought I knew how to do.

00:43:10.092 --> 00:43:10.931
You are unlearned.

00:43:10.931 --> 00:43:11.021
Oh yeah.

00:43:11.291 --> 00:43:14.887
It's like Yoda, you know, like you must unlearn what you've learned, you know?

00:43:14.887 --> 00:43:15.047
Yes,

00:43:15.047 --> 00:43:15.447
yes, yes.

00:43:15.547 --> 00:43:23.081
And you are talking to an audience and you think it's a, it's about you're, you're telling things and they're like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:23.112 --> 00:43:33.942
You have to pretend like you are in that audience and you are talking to them, and you are on their side, and you understand what they feel, and, and, and yes, your delivery has to, and it's like.

00:43:34.661 --> 00:43:35.081
Wow.

00:43:35.081 --> 00:43:35.621
So yeah,

00:43:35.621 --> 00:43:38.831
you're not delivering a sermon, nor are you doing a lecture.

00:43:38.862 --> 00:43:39.342
No.

00:43:39.731 --> 00:43:42.911
You know, you are commiserating together and thinking about what we do about it.

00:43:42.972 --> 00:43:44.052
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:44.052 --> 00:43:49.811
You, yeah, it is a, it was a huge mental shift for me and wow.

00:43:49.842 --> 00:43:52.481
How much I grew last year as, as a speaker.

00:43:52.481 --> 00:43:59.561
And, uh, so that is one of the angles, that is one of the revenue streams that, uh, uh, resonate has.

00:43:59.561 --> 00:44:01.271
So that's really the focus.

00:44:01.271 --> 00:44:14.742
I like to go, not because it pays really well, but because I really truly get off and, I mean, get off when I see a hundred, 150, 400 people and I see light bulbs

00:44:15.101 --> 00:44:15.371
Yeah.

00:44:15.371 --> 00:44:15.936
On top of their head.

00:44:16.056 --> 00:44:16.297
A lot of

00:44:16.302 --> 00:44:16.541
leverage

00:44:16.541 --> 00:44:26.141
on that conversation after something I said it, it is, it's like giving a sermon really, you know, it's like, uh, and that is, it is not about going up there and selling Johnny Fimmel.

00:44:26.141 --> 00:44:42.612
That's not, what's about it, is about communicating and connecting and understanding their pinpoints, their pain points, their, uh, what they need and, and offering that value and, and educating and giving them everything that they want to hear.

00:44:42.677 --> 00:44:44.472
And, and it really is easy.

00:44:44.561 --> 00:44:47.711
It really is easy once you figure that out and.

00:44:48.146 --> 00:44:49.766
People want to feel good.

00:44:49.856 --> 00:44:51.177
People want to get better.

00:44:51.717 --> 00:44:56.427
Uh, people want to walk away from something like that and be inspired.

00:44:56.427 --> 00:44:59.757
And, and my job entirely is to inspire.

00:44:59.757 --> 00:45:06.146
I think that's the ultimate core value of Resonate, is to, uh, inspire people.

00:45:06.146 --> 00:45:18.266
And, and whether it's in a business or, um, relationship or team or whatever, whoever's hiring me, uh, Longmont Humane Society, when they hired me, what, what an amazing, what amazing task that was.

00:45:18.896 --> 00:45:23.036
Uh, you're dealing with, you know, up to 250 volunteers.

00:45:24.086 --> 00:45:25.197
Volunteers,

00:45:25.226 --> 00:45:25.706
right.

00:45:25.916 --> 00:45:27.056
And they are cleaning.

00:45:27.056 --> 00:45:27.327
You're trying to

00:45:27.327 --> 00:45:28.197
make them care.

00:45:28.257 --> 00:45:28.467
Yeah.

00:45:28.527 --> 00:45:29.456
Well, they care.

00:45:29.907 --> 00:45:30.447
They care.

00:45:30.657 --> 00:45:36.027
I was brought in to bring in the connection from CEO to volunteers.

00:45:36.027 --> 00:45:44.007
'cause you have volunteers that are cleaning, you know, pins of, uh, dog poop and, and cats and, and they're dealing with that, that they

00:45:44.007 --> 00:45:45.086
have a terrible job that they're

00:45:45.086 --> 00:45:45.327
doing

00:45:45.327 --> 00:45:45.896
for free,

00:45:45.927 --> 00:45:47.577
but they're doing it because they love animals.

00:45:47.577 --> 00:45:47.907
Right.

00:45:48.117 --> 00:45:52.286
And so my task was connect the CEO to those feelings.

00:45:52.556 --> 00:45:52.856
Yeah.

00:45:53.097 --> 00:45:56.157
And I did so with a story, and that is my angle.

00:45:56.157 --> 00:46:04.827
Again, I, I use story as my way of getting through the bs, getting through the day-to-day kaka, as I call it.

00:46:04.827 --> 00:46:04.976
Yeah,

00:46:05.186 --> 00:46:05.487
yeah.

00:46:05.516 --> 00:46:07.556
To, uh, make a difference.

00:46:07.617 --> 00:46:10.257
And I used a story when I was seven years old.

00:46:10.257 --> 00:46:12.117
I had my German Shepherd was.

00:46:13.092 --> 00:46:20.592
Sliced and diced at the legs from a neighbor because it was humping their dog and we had to bring it into the local.

00:46:20.592 --> 00:46:22.092
You mean he like cut

00:46:22.092 --> 00:46:22.211
him up?

00:46:22.211 --> 00:46:23.081
Well, yeah, yeah.

00:46:23.081 --> 00:46:24.192
Cut him up with a hatchet.

00:46:24.222 --> 00:46:27.851
'cause he was doing, uh, uh, uh, a rooftop.

00:46:27.942 --> 00:46:29.172
He had just moved in.

00:46:29.172 --> 00:46:30.161
They were building their house.

00:46:30.192 --> 00:46:30.342
Yeah.

00:46:30.342 --> 00:46:30.431
And

00:46:30.431 --> 00:46:31.782
he caught your dog humping his dog.

00:46:31.782 --> 00:46:32.112
And like

00:46:32.112 --> 00:46:35.141
our dog went over there and, you know, things were happening.

00:46:35.141 --> 00:46:40.481
And I see the owner jump off onto the hillside and then you just hear dog, you know, just,

00:46:40.601 --> 00:46:41.021
oh damn

00:46:41.021 --> 00:46:41.112
dude.

00:46:41.112 --> 00:46:42.967
Copernicus, uh, was his name.

00:46:42.967 --> 00:46:43.246
Okay.

00:46:43.251 --> 00:46:44.621
Doing his, you know, doing his do.

00:46:44.621 --> 00:46:49.271
And he had grabbed him, I guess by the collar and, and slit the legs and whatnot.

00:46:49.452 --> 00:46:50.021
Oh damn.

00:46:50.291 --> 00:46:57.012
Dog came over back over to our, our house and my dad, we called the, the sheriff department.

00:46:57.012 --> 00:47:00.911
We, and they said, there's nothing you do'cause your dog trespassed on their property.

00:47:01.842 --> 00:47:08.681
So the lesson I learned early, obviously when you're seven years old is, uh, was compassion and empathy.

00:47:08.681 --> 00:47:13.572
And that was from, uh, a lady named Sally and she was at the Denver Humane Society.

00:47:13.572 --> 00:47:21.192
I remember we had to take Copernicus in to give her away'cause we had to keep her chained from that point on, after she healed.

00:47:22.302 --> 00:47:25.181
You can't chain a gigantic German Shepherd.

00:47:25.181 --> 00:47:26.742
They just, they need, yeah.

00:47:26.742 --> 00:47:27.942
This is up in Conifer.

00:47:27.942 --> 00:47:30.251
You know, where're, they're running around and doing their thing.

00:47:30.251 --> 00:47:30.311
Wow.

00:47:30.311 --> 00:47:33.222
So we, uh, we had to give her away.

00:47:33.251 --> 00:47:35.802
And I'm at the parking lot and I'm, I'm crying.

00:47:35.802 --> 00:47:41.021
And, and the lady, Sally comes out and she holds my hand and she crouched down.

00:47:41.021 --> 00:47:41.771
She looks at me in the eye.

00:47:41.771 --> 00:47:44.351
She goes, Johnny, we, we will take care of Cape.

00:47:44.652 --> 00:47:46.362
We'll make sure that she finds the right home.

00:47:46.481 --> 00:47:46.601
Hmm.

00:47:48.192 --> 00:47:49.572
I never forgot that.

00:47:49.871 --> 00:48:01.751
And I gave that speech just over two years ago to that whole staff, and I was looking at the CEO in the eye when I was doing it, and the, it, it happened, they all understood.

00:48:02.112 --> 00:48:10.121
And I said, the reason why you guys need to understand why you're so special is because of what you do every single day.

00:48:10.152 --> 00:48:19.121
What you're doing for this, the animals, what you're doing for the companions, what you're doing for, uh, you know, all the, all the pet owners in the world.

00:48:19.152 --> 00:48:21.402
And the connection was made.

00:48:21.402 --> 00:48:24.552
And the CEO came up to me afterwards and was shaking my hand.

00:48:24.552 --> 00:48:28.121
He's like, man, I didn't understand.

00:48:29.141 --> 00:48:30.672
I didn't understand things until now.

00:48:30.731 --> 00:48:33.552
And, and he was brand new three months in the role.

00:48:33.612 --> 00:48:33.762
Yeah.

00:48:33.762 --> 00:48:34.692
And it's like, you know what?

00:48:35.891 --> 00:48:36.342
It's all

00:48:36.342 --> 00:48:39.371
probably excellent at being an administrator in a lot of things.

00:48:39.371 --> 00:48:39.431
Yeah.

00:48:39.431 --> 00:48:41.411
But didn't understand the passion that

00:48:41.561 --> 00:48:41.771
Yeah.

00:48:41.802 --> 00:48:44.711
So many of his employees and volunteers had for the work.

00:48:44.831 --> 00:48:47.681
And it's about making a difference that that really comes.

00:48:47.681 --> 00:48:51.942
That's another resonate thing is, is what are you gonna do now?

00:48:51.942 --> 00:48:54.041
What are you gonna do above that to make a difference?

00:48:54.041 --> 00:49:02.112
It's not about just being a transactional customer or employee, it's about what are you gonna do to make a difference in that person's life.

00:49:02.172 --> 00:49:09.041
You know, uh, what are you gonna do to, uh, you know, we don't know what they had to deal with before they walked in the store.

00:49:09.041 --> 00:49:11.891
We don't know what they had to deal with before they made that phone call.

00:49:11.891 --> 00:49:25.871
And it's up to us to explore that quickly, find and get there and, and really just from a humanistic point of view, just get that line with them to where you can communicate and say, look, I'm here for you.

00:49:25.871 --> 00:49:29.592
I'm, I'm gonna do whatever I can to make sure you have a better rest of your day.

00:49:30.282 --> 00:49:33.791
That's what earns that raving fan for life.

00:49:33.791 --> 00:49:35.831
It's, it's about being sincere and authentic.

00:49:37.121 --> 00:49:44.621
Talk to me about like where your services are most, your experience maybe is most applicable.

00:49:44.621 --> 00:49:50.112
I've heard you talk a lot of stories about like food industry and kind of service industry in general.

00:49:50.112 --> 00:49:54.461
Is that your kind of key demographics in that space or,

00:49:54.552 --> 00:49:54.972
yeah.

00:49:55.121 --> 00:49:56.472
Uh, tha that's a great question.

00:49:56.472 --> 00:49:56.532
Um.

00:49:57.657 --> 00:50:03.626
So I spent, uh, almost eight years in the restaurant, restaurant industry, downtown Denver.

00:50:03.626 --> 00:50:06.536
So I'm well versed with that industry.

00:50:06.536 --> 00:50:10.077
I understand what they do and have to deal with on a daily basis.

00:50:10.077 --> 00:50:21.056
So whether they're a small restaurant in the middle of Nebraska or Vegas, uh, which is where I trained for three months straight, uh, with Hard Rock Cafe, you see everything.

00:50:21.146 --> 00:50:22.106
You see everything.

00:50:22.112 --> 00:50:22.362
Yeah.

00:50:22.797 --> 00:50:28.706
You see, you know, people's fingers getting cut to, uh, people dropping glasses, whatever you name it.

00:50:28.706 --> 00:50:28.827
So

00:50:28.827 --> 00:50:29.681
I cut the end of this finger off.

00:50:30.282 --> 00:50:31.032
Five times.

00:50:31.061 --> 00:50:31.692
Yeah,

00:50:31.692 --> 00:50:32.382
just a little bit.

00:50:32.382 --> 00:50:32.561
Yeah.

00:50:32.657 --> 00:50:33.882
Like the nail is there.

00:50:33.882 --> 00:50:35.981
It's all, but it's a lot narrower than

00:50:35.981 --> 00:50:36.192
this

00:50:36.192 --> 00:50:36.431
other

00:50:36.431 --> 00:50:36.791
finger

00:50:36.791 --> 00:50:36.942
on

00:50:36.942 --> 00:50:37.242
this side.

00:50:37.242 --> 00:50:38.532
Yeah, that's, that's a juicy one right there.

00:50:38.532 --> 00:50:38.771
Yeah.

00:50:38.831 --> 00:50:42.161
Uh, so yeah, restaurant have a, a big experience there.

00:50:42.161 --> 00:50:44.202
The trades, uh, home improvement.

00:50:44.262 --> 00:50:47.322
I spent time with Lowe's, uh, almost eight years.

00:50:47.891 --> 00:50:48.552
Uh, ACE,

00:50:48.552 --> 00:50:49.722
less than that with a handyman.

00:50:49.782 --> 00:50:49.992
Yeah.

00:50:49.992 --> 00:50:52.692
Ace handyman about six months.

00:50:52.692 --> 00:50:55.541
Uh, which I choose not to use as my career.

00:50:55.541 --> 00:50:58.931
I use that as a learning tool, but mainly a motivational tool.

00:50:58.931 --> 00:51:00.161
But yeah.

00:51:00.222 --> 00:51:02.202
Uh, retail, just front facing.

00:51:02.231 --> 00:51:02.382
Yeah.

00:51:02.411 --> 00:51:08.652
Whether, uh, I've, I've even had a, um, you know, insurance, Allstate has, has had me come in.

00:51:08.652 --> 00:51:09.336
Any of those kind,

00:51:09.371 --> 00:51:10.632
kind of service oriented

00:51:10.661 --> 00:51:10.992
Yeah.

00:51:11.021 --> 00:51:14.112
Customer interactions with, with clients kind of thing.

00:51:14.112 --> 00:51:14.351
Yeah.

00:51:14.411 --> 00:51:16.661
Because not every owner is the same.

00:51:16.751 --> 00:51:21.492
Uh, not every entrepreneur is the same and they don't treat their employees the same.

00:51:21.492 --> 00:51:21.552
Yeah.

00:51:21.552 --> 00:51:22.961
Every single building is different.

00:51:23.021 --> 00:51:32.802
And so if I am brought in, they're bringing me in because they feel like I can make a difference or, uh, you know, I can, I can, I have some experience

00:51:32.802 --> 00:51:37.961
really in helping to connect that, that owner or leadership team to the front lines.

00:51:37.992 --> 00:51:38.052
Yeah.

00:51:38.052 --> 00:51:40.001
Is really your special sauce seems like.

00:51:40.152 --> 00:51:40.362
Yep.

00:51:41.081 --> 00:51:41.891
I have to go pee.

00:51:41.891 --> 00:51:43.541
And so I'm gonna call for a break.

00:51:43.621 --> 00:51:45.302
And, uh, we'll come right back here soon.

00:51:45.302 --> 00:51:45.871
Sounds good.

00:52:35.403 --> 00:52:36.574
Were you a singer too in your

00:52:37.114 --> 00:52:38.373
Oh, no, no.

00:52:40.143 --> 00:52:41.253
In the shower maybe.

00:52:41.313 --> 00:52:46.264
Uh, but as I get older, my voice does to, I can't do the falsetto anymore.

00:52:46.313 --> 00:52:46.494
No.

00:52:46.494 --> 00:52:48.023
I was a, I was a drummer.

00:52:48.023 --> 00:52:49.313
I started at seven,

00:52:49.824 --> 00:52:50.574
seven years old.

00:52:50.603 --> 00:52:51.114
Yeah.

00:52:51.414 --> 00:52:51.744
Yeah.

00:52:51.773 --> 00:52:53.034
Can you set the scene for me?

00:52:53.514 --> 00:52:53.903
Sure.

00:52:53.903 --> 00:52:54.173
Yeah.

00:52:54.173 --> 00:52:54.264
Like

00:52:54.324 --> 00:52:55.168
you were, were you Yeah.

00:52:55.943 --> 00:52:56.304
Yeah.

00:52:56.333 --> 00:52:59.423
Uh, older brother started playing violin.

00:52:59.423 --> 00:53:00.384
And where, where are we at here?

00:53:00.414 --> 00:53:01.704
Uh, we're in Colorado.

00:53:01.764 --> 00:53:02.003
Okay.

00:53:02.003 --> 00:53:02.873
Uh, up in Conifer.

00:53:03.083 --> 00:53:03.384
Alright.

00:53:03.653 --> 00:53:04.523
And, uh, so

00:53:04.523 --> 00:53:05.304
born and raised there?

00:53:05.333 --> 00:53:05.693
Yeah.

00:53:05.753 --> 00:53:05.873
Okay.

00:53:05.873 --> 00:53:06.474
Born and raised.

00:53:06.474 --> 00:53:06.713
Yeah.

00:53:06.713 --> 00:53:06.864
Okay.

00:53:06.923 --> 00:53:07.673
I'm a native.

00:53:07.704 --> 00:53:10.528
Uh, it's not a lot of us around anymore, but, well,

00:53:10.914 --> 00:53:11.333
I mean,

00:53:11.364 --> 00:53:12.023
they're around.

00:53:12.023 --> 00:53:12.684
You just have to plenty.

00:53:12.744 --> 00:53:12.954
Yeah.

00:53:12.954 --> 00:53:13.793
You just have to find him.

00:53:13.793 --> 00:53:18.114
But yeah, I, I, uh, music was my thing early.

00:53:18.204 --> 00:53:24.324
Uh, first couple albums, uh, I think I, I remember watching American Bandstand and I saw Pat Benatar.

00:53:24.324 --> 00:53:25.043
I'm like, wow.

00:53:25.344 --> 00:53:25.583
Cool.

00:53:25.643 --> 00:53:30.653
And I remember, uh, di Clark, uh, Dick Clark going, Hey.

00:53:31.103 --> 00:53:36.023
You're what, 90 pounds and you sing like you're a gigantic gorilla, you know?

00:53:36.023 --> 00:53:38.333
And she's looking at'em like, what did you say to me?

00:53:38.333 --> 00:53:42.804
But yeah, she's, she was short, she was small, tiny little thing.

00:53:42.804 --> 00:53:45.443
Yet she had that operatic just rock

00:53:45.503 --> 00:53:45.653
Yeah.

00:53:45.653 --> 00:53:46.193
Projection

00:53:46.193 --> 00:53:46.643
voice.

00:53:46.643 --> 00:53:47.664
And I just remember seeing that.

00:53:47.664 --> 00:53:47.994
Wow.

00:53:47.994 --> 00:53:48.773
That was awesome.

00:53:48.773 --> 00:53:56.753
I was watching the drummer, uh, Myron Racker, uh, who I would later see his drum set at a Hard Rock cafe out in St.

00:53:56.753 --> 00:53:57.023
Louis.

00:53:57.083 --> 00:53:57.563
Awesome.

00:53:57.563 --> 00:53:58.164
To see that.

00:53:58.219 --> 00:54:01.914
It was the exact same one that you see in the video, you know, like, wow, that's so cool.

00:54:01.914 --> 00:54:04.583
But that started it, and I, I had her You were

00:54:04.583 --> 00:54:06.083
a fanboy from the start.

00:54:06.143 --> 00:54:08.483
Well, I was, I, I Music lifestyle.

00:54:08.514 --> 00:54:08.873
Yeah.

00:54:08.873 --> 00:54:12.534
It started Early Stray Cats on Cassette Stray.

00:54:12.563 --> 00:54:13.434
My parents.

00:54:19.043 --> 00:54:20.664
It was, yeah, it was, it was early.

00:54:20.664 --> 00:54:21.264
My dad, how old

00:54:21.264 --> 00:54:21.594
are you?

00:54:21.773 --> 00:54:23.184
I'm 55.

00:54:23.244 --> 00:54:23.724
You are?

00:54:23.724 --> 00:54:24.233
Okay.

00:54:24.233 --> 00:54:24.244
Yeah.

00:54:24.244 --> 00:54:24.858
So I'm 51.

00:54:25.193 --> 00:54:25.463
Yeah.

00:54:25.643 --> 00:54:26.753
I'll be 52 this summer.

00:54:26.753 --> 00:54:29.634
And so you were just that few years ahead of me.

00:54:29.634 --> 00:54:29.963
Yeah.

00:54:29.963 --> 00:54:29.974
Yeah.

00:54:30.324 --> 00:54:34.914
So everything that you thought was leading edge was actually mainstream by the time I was that age.

00:54:35.123 --> 00:54:37.403
Uh, well, you know, I don't know if I have this stuff.

00:54:37.403 --> 00:54:48.864
I was leading edge at the time, but what, what I'd say is I had, I had my dad who was, who had I, I have his 50 albums of the Great performances on Classical.

00:54:48.893 --> 00:54:49.463
Oh wow.

00:54:49.523 --> 00:54:50.724
So I have all, so.

00:54:51.278 --> 00:54:59.889
He was playing that, uh, my older sister is playing, uh, fog hat to ac DC to Led Zeppelin Cashmere.

00:54:59.889 --> 00:55:01.239
And that's an amazing story right there.

00:55:01.329 --> 00:55:09.039
And then my brother had Devo, uh, he introduced me to Billy Idol, which would end up being one, one of my favorites.

00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:09.938
Uh, was

00:55:09.938 --> 00:55:11.289
he older also, or He was younger.

00:55:11.289 --> 00:55:11.498
Yeah.

00:55:11.498 --> 00:55:11.858
Older.

00:55:11.858 --> 00:55:12.429
Older brother.

00:55:12.429 --> 00:55:13.478
Four years older, bro.

00:55:13.478 --> 00:55:14.559
Older, older sister.

00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:15.369
Five years.

00:55:15.369 --> 00:55:17.528
And so I, I had all these albums.

00:55:17.528 --> 00:55:29.619
I remember always being late to the school bus stop because I would always have to put on ac DC, black and black, or I'd have to put on cashmere, uh, song remains is the same, and just hear what was going on.

00:55:29.619 --> 00:55:31.543
I just, I, I, it was, it was it just.

00:55:31.869 --> 00:55:33.068
It had to happen.

00:55:33.548 --> 00:55:34.329
And, uh, talk to me

00:55:34.329 --> 00:55:35.708
about the, the setting.

00:55:35.708 --> 00:55:38.559
What was your, what was your family doing in Conifer?

00:55:38.588 --> 00:55:38.978
Yeah.

00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:49.389
Uh, my dad, uh, was a insurance agent downtown for a company called Western Farm Bureau, which is now the Art Institute on Lincoln.

00:55:49.389 --> 00:55:51.938
And, uh, uh, Broadway.

00:55:51.938 --> 00:55:51.998
The

00:55:51.998 --> 00:55:54.099
Farm Borough didn't turn into the Art Institute?

00:55:54.164 --> 00:55:54.458
No, no.

00:55:54.878 --> 00:55:56.318
The building, the tenant changed.

00:55:56.318 --> 00:55:56.949
Yeah, the building.

00:55:56.978 --> 00:55:57.188
Yeah.

00:55:57.188 --> 00:55:58.148
The tenant was changed.

00:55:58.688 --> 00:56:04.358
Uh, so he, he commuted every day from Conifer down to Denver, whether it was winter, summer.

00:56:04.623 --> 00:56:04.784
Interesting.

00:56:04.784 --> 00:56:05.498
Yeah, it was, it was.

00:56:05.889 --> 00:56:06.338
Today.

00:56:06.338 --> 00:56:10.748
In today's world, a lot of times people are like, they moved to Conifer'cause they're pretty well to do.

00:56:10.869 --> 00:56:11.739
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:11.739 --> 00:56:14.619
But it sounds like your family was okay, but mostly it was lifestyle.

00:56:14.648 --> 00:56:15.068
Yeah,

00:56:15.068 --> 00:56:15.079
yeah.

00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:16.539
Like, I wanna live up here in the States.

00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:16.898
Yeah.

00:56:16.898 --> 00:56:21.789
I mean, I, I, we originally started in a house in North Glen till I was four.

00:56:21.818 --> 00:56:32.168
I don't remember much about that, but we ended up getting the house up there and, uh, yeah, I just remember the pink shag carpet with the green, uh, walls and whatnot.

00:56:32.168 --> 00:56:33.969
And, uh, you know, my, so they

00:56:33.969 --> 00:56:34.958
bought a fixer upper up

00:56:35.139 --> 00:56:35.199
in

00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:35.559
Conifer,

00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:36.039
basically.

00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:36.099
Yeah.

00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:37.838
And you, uh, we drove by there.

00:56:37.838 --> 00:56:45.068
My family and I drove by there this last summer and it's, it's just a, it, it's the same house, but it's not, you know, it's, it has Sure.

00:56:45.099 --> 00:56:46.688
The new roof, all that whatnot.

00:56:46.688 --> 00:56:49.023
But anyways, uh, it was, uh.

00:56:50.139 --> 00:56:52.778
It was there and I would have the pillows.

00:56:53.139 --> 00:56:55.778
My brother, as I stated, was playing violin.

00:56:55.838 --> 00:56:59.409
I think he had to do it for school and he hated it.

00:56:59.409 --> 00:57:00.369
So he dropped that.

00:57:00.728 --> 00:57:02.168
He got into the drums.

00:57:02.228 --> 00:57:06.548
Uh, he brought home that one of those rubber practice pads Sure.

00:57:06.548 --> 00:57:09.608
With the dime that you would draw around and you, you know, play.

00:57:09.608 --> 00:57:11.498
And he did that I think for a week.

00:57:11.498 --> 00:57:13.239
And I just started on it.

00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:17.199
And he goes, well, you have to make sure the tips, you know, hit inside that circle.

00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.128
And I was just fixated and I just, I, I just, it started from there.

00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:21.938
Born to be a drummer.

00:57:22.358 --> 00:57:28.268
Well, I, I just, I gravitated towards, because I'm just naturally that energetic kid.

00:57:28.329 --> 00:57:37.659
Uh, my brother will still say and make fun of me about in the early years where I would throw myself the Nerf football and I'd dive and catch it.

00:57:37.778 --> 00:57:41.798
I'd throw the Nerf football and I'd do that for hours while they were watching Happy Days.

00:57:41.829 --> 00:57:43.659
The Incredible Hole Dynasty.

00:57:43.748 --> 00:57:43.809
Yeah.

00:57:43.809 --> 00:57:44.079
Interesting.

00:57:44.693 --> 00:57:45.789
I didn't care about tv.

00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:55.659
I just wanted to play football or just do things that were physical and drumming really channeled my, if I had a DHD, who knows.

00:57:55.659 --> 00:57:55.748
Sure.

00:57:55.778 --> 00:58:00.548
Uh, I just, it channeled everything, uh, correctly for me so that it was my.

00:58:01.164 --> 00:58:05.184
It was my go-to in Happy Anger, you name it.

00:58:05.184 --> 00:58:05.963
I went through it.

00:58:06.443 --> 00:58:09.324
Uh, I just, it happened, uh, yeah.

00:58:09.329 --> 00:58:16.643
My, my first drum set piece was, uh, Toto Africa in, um, uh, high school.

00:58:17.213 --> 00:58:17.364
Mm-hmm.

00:58:17.364 --> 00:58:19.614
And I remember I had failed Mr.

00:58:20.244 --> 00:58:24.384
C's algebra class one year already, and I was in his class again.

00:58:24.384 --> 00:58:25.974
We just, we could not stand each other, you know, on the

00:58:25.974 --> 00:58:26.333
cusp.

00:58:26.724 --> 00:58:27.233
Yeah.

00:58:27.264 --> 00:58:30.293
And he comes up to me after, afterwards, he goes, you know, Mr.

00:58:30.534 --> 00:58:33.744
Pu, you know nothing about algebra, but you're pretty good on drums.

00:58:33.744 --> 00:58:35.454
And that's when I knew Okay.

00:58:35.634 --> 00:58:37.134
He never gave me a compliment.

00:58:37.134 --> 00:58:37.313
Yeah.

00:58:37.313 --> 00:58:38.034
In algebra.

00:58:38.034 --> 00:58:38.094
Yeah.

00:58:38.094 --> 00:58:40.224
So this must be something cool.

00:58:40.733 --> 00:58:41.094
Uh,

00:58:41.153 --> 00:58:42.563
well, it's that action oriented it.

00:58:43.614 --> 00:58:45.293
Like even that carried through to today.

00:58:45.293 --> 00:58:51.864
Like you, the, the business owner sitting in their office, you know, in a pedestal is interesting, I guess.

00:58:51.864 --> 00:58:54.474
But really the stuff going on at the front lines.

00:58:54.744 --> 00:58:54.983
Yeah.

00:58:55.014 --> 00:58:59.873
Those interactions, those commun, those communications, that action oriented as part of the business.

00:58:59.994 --> 00:59:00.384
Yeah.

00:59:00.474 --> 00:59:00.773
Has

00:59:00.773 --> 00:59:01.344
I, I never thought And

00:59:01.344 --> 00:59:01.943
where you resonate.

00:59:01.943 --> 00:59:02.153
Yeah.

00:59:02.213 --> 00:59:03.744
No, I never thought about that way.

00:59:03.833 --> 00:59:05.693
Uh, and it just, uh,

00:59:05.784 --> 00:59:08.273
so you didn't do the best in school, is that

00:59:08.304 --> 00:59:15.054
Uh, no, I was an average C student until my mom said, you have to go to summer school or you're not gonna graduate.

00:59:15.114 --> 00:59:18.983
Uh, because I just didn't, school was not my, yeah.

00:59:19.014 --> 00:59:20.378
Was not my thing at the time.

00:59:20.378 --> 00:59:24.233
Uh, music, I was completely saturated in it.

00:59:24.324 --> 00:59:26.963
Uh, I just, I didn't care about anything else.

00:59:26.994 --> 00:59:27.744
And, uh,

00:59:28.193 --> 00:59:30.773
they knew you down at the record store, how far away was the closest brick?

00:59:31.764 --> 00:59:33.233
Uh, because you had to actually do that, right?

00:59:33.233 --> 00:59:33.534
Like

00:59:33.534 --> 00:59:34.103
Yeah.

00:59:34.103 --> 00:59:38.639
It was my generation that got the Columbia house cassette things You probably did too, but you were a little older.

00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:39.498
Yeah.

00:59:39.498 --> 00:59:41.329
No, I, I ha I went down that road up

00:59:41.329 --> 00:59:42.554
12 cassettes for a penny.

00:59:42.634 --> 00:59:42.798
A penny.

00:59:44.028 --> 00:59:44.418
Yeah.

00:59:44.778 --> 00:59:45.528
I remember that.

00:59:45.528 --> 00:59:51.619
I, I think by the time I was outta high school, I probably had, uh, a hundred cassettes.

00:59:51.619 --> 00:59:51.679
Wow.

00:59:51.708 --> 00:59:53.599
I had a hundred vinyl.

00:59:53.869 --> 00:59:55.188
I mean, I was already in there.

00:59:55.219 --> 01:00:00.108
Uh, I had Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich's original drum battle on, on Verve.

01:00:00.949 --> 01:00:04.039
You know, I, I was a purist as, as what they would call it.

01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:09.349
And so the local, there was a lot of local music stores, but the best one was down in Quarter Madera.

01:00:09.949 --> 01:00:15.199
Uh, uh, and that was when I was in Novato, uh, during my high school years.

01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:21.858
It was, uh, village music, which, uh, if you went in there, he had everything.

01:00:21.949 --> 01:00:27.378
And I, you, it was a field trip, so when you went down there, you were there for three, four hours.

01:00:27.378 --> 01:00:30.588
And my parents didn't care if I took the bus down there.

01:00:30.588 --> 01:00:31.818
I said, I'm going to village music.

01:00:31.818 --> 01:00:32.869
They knew I was going there.

01:00:32.869 --> 01:00:34.518
I wasn't going to get into mischief.

01:00:34.518 --> 01:00:39.438
I was going there to find that really hard to find, you know, cool piece of vinyl.

01:00:39.978 --> 01:00:42.233
And they just had everything and huh.

01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:44.119
And it just, it saturated.

01:00:44.148 --> 01:00:44.778
Uh,

01:00:44.809 --> 01:00:47.688
how did you know, what was that cool piece of vinyl at the time?

01:00:47.809 --> 01:00:50.268
'cause the internet didn't really exist yet, right?

01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:51.978
Uh, no, not at all.

01:00:52.009 --> 01:00:53.509
Uh, and that's a great story.

01:00:53.539 --> 01:00:53.719
What

01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:54.739
were your connections to.

01:00:55.074 --> 01:00:55.134
Uh,

01:00:56.364 --> 01:00:57.684
it, it was just, uh,

01:00:57.713 --> 01:00:58.673
magazines and different

01:00:58.673 --> 01:00:58.974
things too.

01:00:59.873 --> 01:00:59.934
Yeah.

01:00:59.934 --> 01:01:02.364
You, you had, uh, radio stations would talk about stuff, I suppose.

01:01:02.364 --> 01:01:02.423
Yeah.

01:01:02.423 --> 01:01:07.134
Radio stations were huge and the Bay Area had amazing, uh, radio stations.

01:01:07.193 --> 01:01:10.074
Uh, God, where, where do you start with, uh, they had, uh, so

01:01:10.074 --> 01:01:10.853
talk to me about this.

01:01:10.853 --> 01:01:11.514
What was that?

01:01:11.634 --> 01:01:15.653
So you moved from Conifer to the Bay Area as like a middle schooler or

01:01:15.653 --> 01:01:15.833
something?

01:01:15.833 --> 01:01:16.074
Yeah.

01:01:16.103 --> 01:01:18.023
So my parents had gotten divorced.

01:01:18.054 --> 01:01:18.083
Okay.

01:01:18.204 --> 01:01:20.184
Uh, when I was 10.

01:01:20.574 --> 01:01:28.014
Uh, and then my, my mom remarried within two years and we, she had custody of us and we moved out to the Bay Area.

01:01:28.014 --> 01:01:33.983
So the music scene out in the Bay Area at that time, 84 to 88.

01:01:33.983 --> 01:01:36.143
So lemme just put it in a nutshell.

01:01:36.143 --> 01:01:41.784
You had, uh, at that time the Red Hot Chili Peppers who were still not signed.

01:01:42.054 --> 01:01:42.324
Wow.

01:01:42.534 --> 01:01:45.264
Uh, you had Jane's Addiction who was still not signed, but

01:01:45.264 --> 01:01:46.043
super popular.

01:01:46.043 --> 01:01:46.463
Both of'em.

01:01:46.463 --> 01:01:46.523
Yeah.

01:01:46.523 --> 01:01:47.543
They were getting there, right?

01:01:47.574 --> 01:01:47.634
Yeah.

01:01:47.634 --> 01:01:49.103
They were heading up and down the coast.

01:01:49.193 --> 01:01:56.304
You had Exodus, you had Metallica who had just put out, uh, uh, what Ride The Lightning, I think, whatever the first one was.

01:01:56.309 --> 01:01:56.369
Mm-hmm.

01:01:56.454 --> 01:01:57.233
My apologies.

01:01:57.293 --> 01:01:58.313
Uh, Metallica fans.

01:01:58.733 --> 01:01:59.483
Uh, yeah.

01:01:59.483 --> 01:02:02.273
And, and it was just, it was the beginning of, of Beautifulness.

01:02:02.273 --> 01:02:05.934
You had Santana, you had Journey, you had Bonnie Rai, you had Huey Lewis.

01:02:06.474 --> 01:02:09.143
Um, and I was in bands at that time.

01:02:09.143 --> 01:02:11.003
Thanks for mentioning Huey Lewis by the way.

01:02:11.034 --> 01:02:16.103
'cause my wife kind of criticizes me when I list him among the awesome musicians of the era.

01:02:17.429 --> 01:02:18.954
But he brought the news man.

01:02:19.193 --> 01:02:19.853
He was solid.

01:02:19.858 --> 01:02:20.724
He he did, he had some And

01:02:20.724 --> 01:02:20.784
the

01:02:20.784 --> 01:02:22.224
saxophone brought it back.

01:02:22.224 --> 01:02:22.463
Yeah,

01:02:22.463 --> 01:02:22.704
yeah, yeah.

01:02:22.704 --> 01:02:23.963
He had some great albums.

01:02:24.023 --> 01:02:27.713
Uh, sports was, he had what, five number one hits?

01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:28.224
Yes or Yes.

01:02:28.284 --> 01:02:29.813
Or maybe six number one hits.

01:02:29.813 --> 01:02:29.903
And

01:02:29.903 --> 01:02:30.954
I can't play any of'em.

01:02:30.954 --> 01:02:31.313
No.

01:02:31.313 --> 01:02:32.244
In the car with my wife.

01:02:32.273 --> 01:02:32.784
'cause she just

01:02:33.143 --> 01:02:33.384
Wow.

01:02:33.653 --> 01:02:34.164
Okay.

01:02:34.224 --> 01:02:34.523
Okay.

01:02:34.523 --> 01:02:37.673
That, uh, but he was competing against Michael Jackson at the time.

01:02:37.673 --> 01:02:37.914
Right.

01:02:37.943 --> 01:02:40.463
And, and he was crushing it on the radio.

01:02:40.469 --> 01:02:40.568
Yeah.

01:02:40.574 --> 01:02:41.034
Yeah,

01:02:41.063 --> 01:02:44.329
because he was a great, they were a great song.

01:02:45.134 --> 01:02:46.724
Group, they had five people.

01:02:46.753 --> 01:02:50.414
Um, you had, uh, God, I wish I, I'm so bad, John.

01:02:50.414 --> 01:02:50.474
So

01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:52.304
you, you moved to Paradise from your

01:02:52.304 --> 01:02:52.813
perspective.

01:02:52.818 --> 01:02:52.958
Yeah.

01:02:52.963 --> 01:02:53.114
Yeah.

01:02:53.114 --> 01:02:53.804
So I, I And

01:02:53.804 --> 01:02:54.344
how old were

01:02:54.344 --> 01:02:54.764
you?

01:02:55.123 --> 01:03:01.634
Uh, I was 12 when we moved there, and I was playing in band 16, 17, 18.

01:03:01.664 --> 01:03:02.054
Okay.

01:03:02.054 --> 01:03:08.233
Uh, by the time I was 19, I was playing at the Stone in San Francisco, opening up for the psychedelic furs.

01:03:08.353 --> 01:03:09.434
Devo cool.

01:03:09.463 --> 01:03:14.954
King of four East Bay All Stars would be Brad Gillis from Night Ranger.

01:03:15.344 --> 01:03:18.193
Um, uh, you had, so

01:03:18.193 --> 01:03:19.063
you were striving at

01:03:19.063 --> 01:03:19.213
this time?

01:03:19.213 --> 01:03:19.994
Yeah, it was everywhere.

01:03:19.998 --> 01:03:30.224
We, we were at Fantasy Studios rehearsing, and I remember Santana, the band Santana was in the, uh, room right next to us and we're like, we shouldn't even be playing it.

01:03:30.224 --> 01:03:32.023
It's, it's, it's embarrassing.

01:03:32.023 --> 01:03:33.164
We, we should just stop.

01:03:33.164 --> 01:03:36.724
We were called ArcLight at the time and Arc light.

01:03:36.724 --> 01:03:37.423
We, we had

01:03:37.423 --> 01:03:38.293
a RK.

01:03:38.503 --> 01:03:40.273
A-R-C-A-R-C.

01:03:40.273 --> 01:03:40.454
Yeah.

01:03:40.458 --> 01:03:42.943
A you know, like from a, from a Flame.

01:03:43.003 --> 01:03:43.423
Oh, oh

01:03:43.423 --> 01:03:43.873
yeah.

01:03:43.873 --> 01:03:45.373
Uh, to uh, to welding.

01:03:45.373 --> 01:03:45.583
Yeah.

01:03:45.583 --> 01:03:46.543
It was the bright light.

01:03:46.543 --> 01:03:47.804
So we're we're, it was too

01:03:47.804 --> 01:03:52.543
bright for you to see where your sunglasses,'cause we're gonna be rising through the stratosphere shortly.

01:03:53.443 --> 01:03:56.563
We had our first band's name was Pink Camouflage.

01:03:56.563 --> 01:03:59.983
And, you know, I put lace all around this, the drum set.

01:04:00.554 --> 01:04:04.123
When you're a high schooler, you don't, you don't think you just do, right?

01:04:04.123 --> 01:04:04.184
Yeah.

01:04:04.213 --> 01:04:06.704
But, uh, being around.

01:04:07.179 --> 01:04:18.608
All of the great musicians, um, you know, you, you, you and working at that record store there, you'd have Joe Satani come in, Steve Perry come in, Diana Ross would come in.

01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:23.378
Uh, anybody that was in the Bay Area, they came into my music store.

01:04:23.648 --> 01:04:24.248
So I, this is

01:04:24.248 --> 01:04:24.309
the

01:04:24.309 --> 01:04:25.809
one where you got promoted to

01:04:25.809 --> 01:04:25.929
be

01:04:25.929 --> 01:04:26.018
the

01:04:26.018 --> 01:04:26.679
boss of your

01:04:26.858 --> 01:04:27.278
roommates.

01:04:27.309 --> 01:04:27.579
Yep.

01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:29.139
And so it was great.

01:04:29.139 --> 01:04:43.929
So, um, I, I think my energy and enthusiasm to music was contagious to the point where, uh, and I'll talk and it's, it's in the book that I'm putting out this year, I used a story with Denny Kamasi, the drummer from heart.

01:04:43.929 --> 01:04:53.858
So, uh, I was on break, uh, eating lunch at Warehouse, and I get a call on the radio, Hey Johnny, we need you out here for classical department.

01:04:53.918 --> 01:05:02.559
And uh, I get out there and I see this guy and he's all dressed up, like, you know, you could tell he just had that vibe about him.

01:05:03.128 --> 01:05:04.599
He's got a little kid next to him.

01:05:04.603 --> 01:05:08.438
He is got his hair all black and spiky and you know, the jewelry and everything.

01:05:08.438 --> 01:05:10.179
And I go, Hey, how can I help you?

01:05:10.179 --> 01:05:12.909
And he goes, Hey, I'm looking for a, a gift for a friend of mine.

01:05:12.909 --> 01:05:13.958
A very special friend.

01:05:13.958 --> 01:05:15.938
I need something from Pavarotti.

01:05:16.449 --> 01:05:17.978
Do you have anything that's really cool?

01:05:18.068 --> 01:05:21.369
And I said, actually, yeah, I just got in this box set.

01:05:21.398 --> 01:05:23.108
It's one of 175.

01:05:23.108 --> 01:05:25.958
It's poverty's, uh, greatest hits from Italy.

01:05:26.784 --> 01:05:28.793
I recommended, I said, you have to have this.

01:05:28.793 --> 01:05:28.884
It's

01:05:28.884 --> 01:05:29.634
written in Italian.

01:05:29.784 --> 01:05:29.903
Signed.

01:05:29.934 --> 01:05:30.114
Yeah.

01:05:30.114 --> 01:05:30.173
Yeah.

01:05:30.474 --> 01:05:32.454
You have signed, you have to have this.

01:05:32.454 --> 01:05:33.684
It was numbered on the back.

01:05:33.684 --> 01:05:37.014
He goes, and he looks at me and he grins and he goes, okay, I I like you.

01:05:37.014 --> 01:05:37.824
Do you have anything else?

01:05:37.824 --> 01:05:42.833
And I, I recommended like 10 other, like double CD sets and everything.

01:05:42.833 --> 01:05:46.914
And he's just getting a kick out of it because I was so, you're

01:05:46.914 --> 01:05:48.054
such a nerd about the classical

01:05:48.054 --> 01:05:48.264
Yeah.

01:05:48.293 --> 01:05:48.563
And

01:05:48.563 --> 01:05:48.893
everything

01:05:48.893 --> 01:05:49.224
else.

01:05:49.228 --> 01:05:49.318
Yeah.

01:05:49.324 --> 01:05:51.713
And I said, I said, who are you?

01:05:51.744 --> 01:05:52.914
You look familiar.

01:05:52.943 --> 01:05:55.134
And he goes, what you think?

01:05:55.134 --> 01:05:57.083
And I go, yeah, you, you're, who are you?

01:05:57.083 --> 01:05:58.733
And he goes, I'm Denny Kamasi.

01:05:58.733 --> 01:06:01.253
I go, you're, you're the drummer from Heart, you know?

01:06:01.974 --> 01:06:03.233
And he goes, yeah, yeah.

01:06:03.233 --> 01:06:04.824
He goes, uh, that's cool.

01:06:04.824 --> 01:06:07.344
I said, I love the album alone.

01:06:07.344 --> 01:06:09.054
Your drumming is amazing.

01:06:09.054 --> 01:06:16.523
And I went into just how I, I sit, I have my Simmons drum set in my room, and I just play all the songs from the album.

01:06:16.523 --> 01:06:19.463
And he just loved that I was into it.

01:06:19.463 --> 01:06:21.414
And I didn't care that he was famous.

01:06:21.414 --> 01:06:23.003
I just wanted to talk to him about music.

01:06:23.009 --> 01:06:23.159
Yeah.

01:06:23.164 --> 01:06:23.423
Yeah.

01:06:23.429 --> 01:06:30.173
And, and that really was another connector for me as a, as a, as a manager, as a leader, as a whatever.

01:06:30.173 --> 01:06:36.534
Just, just to get that, that connection with somebody so that they understand it is really about engagement.

01:06:36.594 --> 01:06:36.923
Right.

01:06:37.284 --> 01:06:41.123
Well, and I was just thinking to myself that, you know, I teased you about the flattery.

01:06:41.123 --> 01:06:42.503
We'll get you everywhere with me.

01:06:42.713 --> 01:06:43.014
Yeah.

01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:43.358
But.

01:06:43.704 --> 01:06:46.074
Uh, not if you're a flatterer.

01:06:46.884 --> 01:06:56.244
Um, like if you're sincere and in, and in your case of talking with that drummer, you were sincere about, you know, you weren't flattering him.

01:06:56.244 --> 01:07:04.643
If you, if you were like, you know, I want to get this from you, or that from you because of whatever, that would've been a whole different story.

01:07:04.643 --> 01:07:07.313
But because he knew that you respected his heart

01:07:07.583 --> 01:07:07.824
Yeah.

01:07:07.824 --> 01:07:10.793
And he appreciate, you appreciated what he had created.

01:07:11.423 --> 01:07:11.543
Yeah.

01:07:11.543 --> 01:07:15.414
Like that's, you know, you can say it's flattery, but it's whatever.

01:07:15.414 --> 01:07:15.864
That is

01:07:16.134 --> 01:07:16.748
it, it's right.

01:07:17.094 --> 01:07:18.804
It's, it's being a raving fan.

01:07:19.704 --> 01:07:21.773
And, and it's hard to deny a raving fan.

01:07:21.833 --> 01:07:22.164
You know?

01:07:22.164 --> 01:07:23.273
It real, it really is.

01:07:23.273 --> 01:07:31.253
And he came back after every tour that I was, I worked at that store for a year and a half, two year, I'm sorry, two and a half years.

01:07:31.373 --> 01:07:34.494
And he would come back and he'd say, is Johnny here?

01:07:34.494 --> 01:07:36.713
Hey, can you recommend something else?

01:07:36.773 --> 01:07:36.833
Yeah.

01:07:36.833 --> 01:07:38.454
Let, let's talk music again.

01:07:38.454 --> 01:07:46.434
And, uh, and he's, he's telling me about Montrose, the, the experience with recording with Sammy Hagar.

01:07:46.434 --> 01:07:52.224
And I'm like, my God, I'm getting information here that no one else is getting, and I'm just soaking it in.

01:07:52.764 --> 01:07:54.773
And it's just like, man, thank you so much.

01:07:54.804 --> 01:07:59.784
You know, just thank you for making my year my, my, my wife for doing this.

01:07:59.784 --> 01:08:03.114
And, and it just tended to go that way for me.

01:08:03.204 --> 01:08:06.384
Uh, every single place I ever ended up going.

01:08:06.384 --> 01:08:10.193
I, I, you know, uh, music store, I was selling instruments at.

01:08:10.793 --> 01:08:20.844
Uh, about two years later, we had the chance of getting either Lars Ulrich, um, Steven Adler from Guns N Roses or Troy Luta and

01:08:21.354 --> 01:08:22.373
like to be in the store

01:08:22.373 --> 01:08:24.293
to do an in-store drum tech.

01:08:24.323 --> 01:08:24.713
Right.

01:08:24.743 --> 01:08:25.793
Uh, session.

01:08:25.793 --> 01:08:32.423
And I remember Lars was on tour and at the time we didn't really want him, per se.

01:08:32.514 --> 01:08:38.543
It would've been nice, but the, the, the word on the street at that time was that he was just extremely attitude.

01:08:38.573 --> 01:08:39.413
Just attitude.

01:08:39.418 --> 01:08:39.769
Gotcha.

01:08:39.804 --> 01:08:44.003
Just in vibe with what I thought we should have with the customers that I had coming in.

01:08:44.003 --> 01:08:44.394
Yeah.

01:08:44.394 --> 01:08:44.404
Yeah.

01:08:44.453 --> 01:08:47.394
We needed someone who was gonna be grassroots real.

01:08:47.844 --> 01:08:50.934
And it ended up being Troy Lata from Tesla.

01:08:50.963 --> 01:08:55.104
And, uh, he was with the Eric Martin band beforehand, so we brought him in.

01:08:55.583 --> 01:08:58.823
Uh, my boss said, Hey, you can interview him in the office.

01:08:58.854 --> 01:09:00.024
You know, it's your day.

01:09:00.054 --> 01:09:01.283
Make it how you want.

01:09:01.764 --> 01:09:05.243
I still have the drum head, you know, from Troy saying, what a special day.

01:09:05.243 --> 01:09:05.844
Johnny Fimmel.

01:09:05.844 --> 01:09:06.564
Thank you.

01:09:06.623 --> 01:09:19.014
Uh, we, we talked drums all day long and he came in and he just, he was a regular drummer talking to fans, you know, and that's what was so cool about it.

01:09:19.554 --> 01:09:20.363
And uh, and

01:09:20.363 --> 01:09:23.694
were you playing music and drumming for other bands and stuff?

01:09:23.694 --> 01:09:24.384
Yeah, during this time too.

01:09:24.713 --> 01:09:24.774
Yeah.

01:09:24.774 --> 01:09:26.064
Trying to make your break, did you?

01:09:26.064 --> 01:09:26.274
Yeah.

01:09:26.514 --> 01:09:26.873
Yep.

01:09:26.934 --> 01:09:28.043
Do that for a long time

01:09:28.043 --> 01:09:28.764
or, yeah, I did.

01:09:28.793 --> 01:09:33.503
Uh, I would later move to la uh, move back to Denver for a while.

01:09:33.564 --> 01:09:35.333
Uh, try to finish college.

01:09:35.333 --> 01:09:36.144
Never did.

01:09:36.654 --> 01:09:37.253
Um.

01:09:37.644 --> 01:09:39.623
I got into a band called Fallen from Grace.

01:09:39.623 --> 01:09:42.444
We recorded, sold out all of our copies.

01:09:42.444 --> 01:09:45.594
We decided to make this bigger into Hollywood.

01:09:46.283 --> 01:09:48.863
I'm like, I'm certainly not the best drummer in the world.

01:09:48.863 --> 01:09:49.673
I know I'm not.

01:09:49.703 --> 01:09:53.123
And out of LA you've got 8 million people at the time.

01:09:53.123 --> 01:09:54.894
5 million of'em are musicians.

01:09:54.894 --> 01:09:55.014
There's

01:09:55.014 --> 01:09:56.423
1000

01:09:56.453 --> 01:09:56.814
drummers

01:09:56.819 --> 01:09:57.953
that are way better than me.

01:09:57.953 --> 01:09:58.854
At least way better.

01:09:59.453 --> 01:10:02.423
But I was young, dumb, and you know what?

01:10:02.423 --> 01:10:04.253
And I, we just wanted to go there.

01:10:04.253 --> 01:10:05.783
And so we did.

01:10:05.844 --> 01:10:09.623
The guitar player ended up, uh, moving to Vegas with a girlfriend.

01:10:09.623 --> 01:10:14.304
The, the bass player ended up not, he just wanted to be a rock star before we even played a gig.

01:10:14.333 --> 01:10:20.963
And then there was Johnny Mle playing drums on a third, uh, level rehearsal off of Hollywood.

01:10:20.963 --> 01:10:26.123
I had to load all of my drums upstairs every fricking night out of my little Honda Civic.

01:10:26.123 --> 01:10:26.134
Huge.

01:10:26.189 --> 01:10:26.908
VE Oh, Honda Civic.

01:10:26.908 --> 01:10:27.203
Honda Civic,

01:10:27.203 --> 01:10:27.444
yeah.

01:10:27.444 --> 01:10:27.863
Same.

01:10:28.463 --> 01:10:31.884
Which, by the way, has more square footage than, uh, a Pathfinder.

01:10:31.884 --> 01:10:32.094
Those

01:10:32.094 --> 01:10:33.654
things were the best cars.

01:10:33.654 --> 01:10:34.194
Like those.

01:10:34.198 --> 01:10:34.389
Yeah.

01:10:34.529 --> 01:10:35.304
Uh, yeah.

01:10:35.304 --> 01:10:40.104
The early Honda Civics, like the eighties, the cr uh, the v something that was, was a special one.

01:10:40.134 --> 01:10:41.509
It was, it was the SI that I had kind

01:10:41.509 --> 01:10:41.588
of

01:10:41.588 --> 01:10:41.668
the,

01:10:41.809 --> 01:10:42.984
the drop back thing.

01:10:42.984 --> 01:10:43.073
Yep.

01:10:43.073 --> 01:10:43.224
Yeah.

01:10:43.224 --> 01:10:43.734
And it had

01:10:43.734 --> 01:10:44.934
50 miles to the gallon.

01:10:44.934 --> 01:10:45.623
Never broke.

01:10:45.623 --> 01:10:45.953
Ever.

01:10:46.224 --> 01:10:46.283
Yeah.

01:10:46.498 --> 01:10:48.668
I had 289,000 on that thing.

01:10:48.668 --> 01:10:52.559
That, and it fit an eight piece drum set in there, eight piece drum set.

01:10:52.559 --> 01:10:52.859
Right.

01:10:52.859 --> 01:10:54.088
Didn't have enough room for a girl.

01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:54.779
No.

01:10:54.809 --> 01:10:55.229
No.

01:10:55.229 --> 01:11:02.819
And even when I drove down to San Diego for a gig, uh, a girl asked if she could, you know, come home or we'd go to the hotel together.

01:11:03.929 --> 01:11:04.439
I don't, I don't have room.

01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:05.099
You have to drive

01:11:05.099 --> 01:11:05.338
yourself.

01:11:05.338 --> 01:11:05.399
Yeah.

01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:07.498
My drums, I, it is my career baby.

01:11:07.588 --> 01:11:07.979
Yeah.

01:11:08.128 --> 01:11:10.078
But I, no, we, uh, I I would,

01:11:10.078 --> 01:11:11.399
you could follow me to buy a house.

01:11:11.429 --> 01:11:11.819
Right.

01:11:11.998 --> 01:11:22.439
But I would, I lucked out, uh, I started at Guitar Center Hollywood and I was a drummer, and they said The only way you're gonna make money is if you sell guitars, so you better learn some guitars.

01:11:22.444 --> 01:11:22.564
Yeah.

01:11:22.918 --> 01:11:24.238
So I had to learn chords.

01:11:24.689 --> 01:11:29.429
Next thing you know, you've got, you know, Nick six coming in Twiggy from Marilyn Manson.

01:11:29.429 --> 01:11:31.439
You've got John Oates coming in for an acoustic.

01:11:31.498 --> 01:11:31.769
Sure.

01:11:31.774 --> 01:11:37.769
I mean, I, it, it was all in front of me and, and it was natural for me because I had so much earlier exposure, like we just talked about.

01:11:38.668 --> 01:11:45.899
But then, uh, a transformable situation happen where, you know, I had written on a list what I truly wanted in life.

01:11:45.929 --> 01:11:47.458
I wanted to play in a band.

01:11:47.458 --> 01:11:51.689
I wanted to play in a band on weekends and just make money playing drums.

01:11:51.868 --> 01:11:55.109
And I get this gig with this small moonshine label.

01:11:55.168 --> 01:11:56.639
It's an electronic label.

01:11:57.298 --> 01:12:02.548
They're like, well, we want you, uh, we'll take you at, you know, at the time it was 38,000 a year.

01:12:02.548 --> 01:12:03.809
I'm like, yeah, that's awesome.

01:12:03.809 --> 01:12:05.458
You know, it's back in the nineties and Yeah.

01:12:05.698 --> 01:12:06.298
So I took it.

01:12:06.298 --> 01:12:06.819
I was, I was You

01:12:06.819 --> 01:12:08.038
was an apartment with only two roommates

01:12:08.038 --> 01:12:08.309
at that price.

01:12:08.309 --> 01:12:10.019
Yeah, I was ecstatic.

01:12:10.019 --> 01:12:12.448
Next thing you know, the director of sales is like, Hey.

01:12:13.359 --> 01:12:21.908
A friend of mine who works for Capricorn Records, they need a roommate and they need'em now, but you have to go to a party first and they need to see if you're gonna vibe.

01:12:21.939 --> 01:12:23.198
And I'm like, okay, what is this?

01:12:23.198 --> 01:12:24.338
What kind of party is this?

01:12:24.338 --> 01:12:25.269
What does this mean?

01:12:26.078 --> 01:12:30.788
So I go and I meet the main girl, her name is Julie Duffy.

01:12:30.788 --> 01:12:33.939
And, and, uh, they're like, well, the other person is not here.

01:12:33.998 --> 01:12:36.279
Uh, we're vetting for him.

01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:37.298
I'm like, well, what is this?

01:12:38.078 --> 01:12:40.538
So the end of the night, everything's cool.

01:12:40.538 --> 01:12:41.378
I'm responsible.

01:12:41.378 --> 01:12:42.998
I'm not partying too much or crazy.

01:12:42.998 --> 01:12:44.319
And they're like, yeah, we like you.

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:45.399
We want you to be the roommate.

01:12:45.399 --> 01:12:48.368
And I'm like, well, what's, what, what is this mystery?

01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:49.328
What, what's going on here?

01:12:49.328 --> 01:12:50.019
What am I missing?

01:12:50.019 --> 01:12:52.389
They're like, well, it's, it's Mike Lenon from the Googo Dolls.

01:12:54.038 --> 01:12:54.998
So I'm like, okay, cool.

01:12:54.998 --> 01:13:01.029
So now I'm a roommate with Mike Lenon from The Goo Dolls, and they had that hit, uh, Iris.

01:13:01.509 --> 01:13:05.618
I saw actually, um, one of my first big rock and roll concerts.

01:13:05.618 --> 01:13:09.429
I saw Guns N Roses in the Use User Illusion Tours.

01:13:09.639 --> 01:13:09.878
Yeah.

01:13:09.878 --> 01:13:14.859
At, uh, Fargo Dome was my first really big concert, or actually my first real concert.

01:13:15.038 --> 01:13:15.279
Yeah.

01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:20.618
But then not too long after that, uh, Bush with Guo Dolls.

01:13:20.618 --> 01:13:20.628
Yeah.

01:13:20.769 --> 01:13:22.029
And no doubt.

01:13:22.088 --> 01:13:22.448
Yeah.

01:13:23.349 --> 01:13:27.158
Before it was what's her name and no doubt, Stefani.

01:13:27.219 --> 01:13:28.179
Yeah, Quin Stefani.

01:13:28.179 --> 01:13:32.889
And she made Bush and the, the Google dolls look like a bunch of fools, frankly, in my opinion.

01:13:32.889 --> 01:13:33.373
Yeah, yeah.

01:13:33.378 --> 01:13:34.809
Like Bush was fine.

01:13:34.809 --> 01:13:39.099
Google Dolls was a little better, but yeah, no doubt was so much better.

01:13:39.099 --> 01:13:41.439
And I could tell that that gal had a talent and

01:13:41.498 --> 01:13:41.918
yeah,

01:13:42.069 --> 01:13:48.578
there was a girl in college that I had a huge crush on that looked just like Gwen Ani.

01:13:49.118 --> 01:13:49.158
Oh yeah.

01:13:49.158 --> 01:13:49.168
And

01:13:49.418 --> 01:13:49.599
yeah.

01:13:49.599 --> 01:13:49.929
Yeah.

01:13:50.078 --> 01:13:54.399
Sorry you never said yes when I asked you out, but not, sorry, not sorry.

01:13:54.399 --> 01:13:56.798
Because I've been married to Jill for 20 years now.

01:13:56.798 --> 01:13:59.319
I'm pretty sure you weren't stable enough for anybody to be married.

01:13:59.319 --> 01:13:59.769
Not long.

01:14:00.368 --> 01:14:02.559
Um, but that's just me muttering to myself.

01:14:02.618 --> 01:14:03.293
Oh, I love it.

01:14:03.293 --> 01:14:03.338
I love it.

01:14:04.238 --> 01:14:07.719
So anyway, um, that's my experience with Goo Dolls.

01:14:07.779 --> 01:14:08.109
No doubt.

01:14:08.703 --> 01:14:08.913
Yeah.

01:14:08.913 --> 01:14:10.863
Uh, no, it was, uh, it was good.

01:14:10.953 --> 01:14:12.573
And I, we

01:14:12.694 --> 01:14:13.804
So you were roommates with

01:14:13.833 --> 01:14:14.283
Yeah.

01:14:14.314 --> 01:14:14.703
And why

01:14:14.703 --> 01:14:15.604
did he want roommates?

01:14:15.604 --> 01:14:16.953
Does he, was he not like maybe

01:14:16.953 --> 01:14:17.524
he was never there.

01:14:17.524 --> 01:14:18.363
He was always on tour.

01:14:18.368 --> 01:14:18.418
That,

01:14:18.663 --> 01:14:19.059
that song, right.

01:14:19.059 --> 01:14:20.944
He just wanted a place, a crash when he was in Los Angeles.

01:14:20.948 --> 01:14:21.179
Yeah.

01:14:21.213 --> 01:14:21.604
Yeah.

01:14:21.604 --> 01:14:28.113
And he had a, a Ford Ranger truck that was what, uh, probably an$18,000 truck at the time.

01:14:28.833 --> 01:14:30.814
He never spent any money.

01:14:30.814 --> 01:14:33.184
He was really good with his money.

01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:38.554
Uh, he did not live the rock and roll style that everyone thinks that you should.

01:14:38.644 --> 01:14:38.884
Yeah.

01:14:39.094 --> 01:14:41.613
And, you know, we'd have, uh, you'd he's probably still

01:14:41.613 --> 01:14:42.003
alive.

01:14:42.033 --> 01:14:42.963
Yeah, he is.

01:14:42.993 --> 01:14:44.134
Uh, he is actually.

01:14:44.134 --> 01:14:45.934
But you'd have, uh, limp Bizkit.

01:14:45.934 --> 01:14:48.003
You drop Kick Murphy's coming over.

01:14:48.003 --> 01:14:55.804
We partied four to five nights a week, and after two years of that, I'm just like, my God, I can't do this anymore.

01:14:55.804 --> 01:14:57.604
I just, you just need a break.

01:14:57.663 --> 01:15:00.634
Uh, and so I had a great run.

01:15:00.634 --> 01:15:02.163
And you're what, like in your late twenties?

01:15:02.163 --> 01:15:02.373
By the

01:15:02.373 --> 01:15:02.463
time?

01:15:02.463 --> 01:15:02.613
Time, yeah.

01:15:02.613 --> 01:15:06.724
I was, I was, uh, mid twenties, so I went through this whole thing from 27 to 30.

01:15:07.389 --> 01:15:09.759
Age 30, I decided to move back to Colorado.

01:15:10.149 --> 01:15:10.208
Hmm.

01:15:10.208 --> 01:15:12.519
And just kind of get my life back in together.

01:15:12.759 --> 01:15:12.819
Yeah.

01:15:12.819 --> 01:15:13.809
You know, it's time to grow up

01:15:13.809 --> 01:15:19.899
and it turns out partying five nights a week and making$38,000 a year isn't getting my retirement plans advanced.

01:15:19.929 --> 01:15:20.319
No.

01:15:20.378 --> 01:15:22.269
But it, it, it gives a lot of great story.

01:15:22.298 --> 01:15:22.569
Right.

01:15:22.569 --> 01:15:22.988
For sure.

01:15:22.988 --> 01:15:25.389
Uh, and they, they, I had some amazing times.

01:15:25.389 --> 01:15:27.578
Would not take a second of them back Yeah.

01:15:27.578 --> 01:15:28.238
At, at all.

01:15:28.809 --> 01:15:36.908
Um, a band I was in, uh, CS we toured, uh, recorded, um, I played with some lifelong heroes of mine.

01:15:36.908 --> 01:15:46.689
Daniel Ash from Loving Rockets, recorded an album with him in Keoki, uh, DJ Keoki, who was, uh, his brother actually had a club down here in Denver.

01:15:46.779 --> 01:15:48.969
Um, I, I can't remember the name of it.

01:15:48.969 --> 01:15:52.719
But anyways, uh, it was, it was a great time.

01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:52.838
You

01:15:52.838 --> 01:15:54.788
know, if, I'm just gonna interject here.

01:15:54.788 --> 01:15:55.118
Yeah, please do.

01:15:55.118 --> 01:16:05.319
As an observation, I think if you were as passionate about drumming as you were about music, um, you might have been a better drummer.

01:16:05.769 --> 01:16:06.399
Oh, wow.

01:16:06.908 --> 01:16:10.149
Like you were super passionate about music, all of it.

01:16:10.269 --> 01:16:10.538
Yeah.

01:16:10.569 --> 01:16:11.378
In some ways.

01:16:11.378 --> 01:16:11.708
Yeah.

01:16:11.708 --> 01:16:12.759
And drumming was cool.

01:16:12.759 --> 01:16:15.788
It was a way to be adjacent to it and stuff, but

01:16:16.583 --> 01:16:20.738
I, I tried, I I had some great teachers over the years.

01:16:20.738 --> 01:16:21.668
I, uh, okay.

01:16:21.668 --> 01:16:21.969
So you

01:16:21.969 --> 01:16:22.479
invested,

01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:22.809
you were charged.

01:16:22.809 --> 01:16:22.988
Yeah.

01:16:23.144 --> 01:16:28.029
I, I played, I played and I had, I had a few highlights.

01:16:28.569 --> 01:16:41.048
From a drumming point of view, um, where I was told I was good, but honestly, the reason why I maybe if I'm, if I'm shoveling it to the side just a little bit is because it physically it was so tough.

01:16:41.139 --> 01:16:41.738
Oh yeah.

01:16:41.828 --> 01:16:43.359
Um, we would be on, it's pretty

01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:43.779
brutal.

01:16:43.838 --> 01:16:44.109
Yeah.

01:16:44.139 --> 01:16:45.158
We'd be on tour.

01:16:45.219 --> 01:16:55.958
Uh, you'd play 25 nights out of a month, and of that you have three days off and you're, you're, you're playing drums for two to three hours at 130 beats per minute.

01:16:56.918 --> 01:16:57.908
And it just, it just, it's

01:16:57.908 --> 01:16:59.109
like an F1 driver.

01:16:59.139 --> 01:16:59.559
Yeah.

01:16:59.588 --> 01:17:05.498
But I don't understand how these, the, the big guys have been doing it for 30 years, you know?

01:17:05.529 --> 01:17:05.708
Yeah.

01:17:05.708 --> 01:17:11.019
The, the, the Bruce Springsteen drummer, even Tesla, Troy is still playing.

01:17:11.019 --> 01:17:13.689
All these guys are still playing and playing and playing.

01:17:13.689 --> 01:17:15.309
It's like, my God, how do they do it?

01:17:15.939 --> 01:17:17.889
I just got burned out, uh, physically.

01:17:18.069 --> 01:17:18.128
Yeah.

01:17:18.248 --> 01:17:19.253
And, and I, that's interesting.

01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:20.319
I, I mean, yeah.

01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:20.948
Music.

01:17:21.069 --> 01:17:23.738
I wonder if they flow more somehow, like it doesn't.

01:17:24.113 --> 01:17:29.213
Wear on them physically as much because they're just not trying quite as hard in some ways.

01:17:29.274 --> 01:17:35.993
Um, I I probably just, I probably, I always learn the hard way, so I probably did everything wrong.

01:17:37.134 --> 01:17:38.453
No, I'm not saying that at all.

01:17:38.514 --> 01:17:39.144
No, but,

01:17:39.144 --> 01:17:43.944
but I mean, you, you, you know that feeling like when things are just kind of flowing when your team is

01:17:44.033 --> 01:17:44.394
Yeah.

01:17:44.453 --> 01:17:47.634
You know, engaged and they're, the people love them every, you know, when you're

01:17:47.634 --> 01:17:48.054
Yeah.

01:17:48.444 --> 01:17:48.863
Yeah.

01:17:48.953 --> 01:17:54.083
I, I was a pay to play drummer for a while and, and I lost interest in that.

01:17:54.113 --> 01:17:54.293
Yeah.

01:17:54.293 --> 01:18:01.224
I, I, the, the band I was in last before that was pure Heart, soul and that was falling from Grace.

01:18:01.229 --> 01:18:02.963
Uh, and I still have that cd.

01:18:02.963 --> 01:18:04.134
My kids listen to it.

01:18:04.809 --> 01:18:06.578
That's what my wife, uh, is it on Apple

01:18:06.578 --> 01:18:06.939
Music?

01:18:07.238 --> 01:18:08.559
Uh, maybe.

01:18:08.559 --> 01:18:09.038
I don't know.

01:18:09.043 --> 01:18:12.399
I, I found a, I found a used copy for a Buck Nice.

01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:18.969
50 at this place down in, uh, second Spin Records on Colorado Boulevard in Denver about a year and a half ago.

01:18:18.969 --> 01:18:19.448
I'm like, wow.

01:18:19.448 --> 01:18:20.288
Somebody finally,

01:18:20.559 --> 01:18:21.368
at least my kids can hear

01:18:21.368 --> 01:18:21.429
it.

01:18:21.429 --> 01:18:21.849
Gave it up.

01:18:21.849 --> 01:18:22.088
Yeah.

01:18:22.088 --> 01:18:23.229
But my, my kids love it.

01:18:23.288 --> 01:18:28.269
It's, uh, it, it was pure heart and, and, and passion, what I put into it.

01:18:28.269 --> 01:18:29.019
I love drums.

01:18:29.019 --> 01:18:30.969
I have my drums set up downstairs now.

01:18:31.509 --> 01:18:31.809
Okay.

01:18:31.838 --> 01:18:33.759
My kids tinker on it a little bit.

01:18:33.759 --> 01:18:33.844
Yeah, yeah.

01:18:33.849 --> 01:18:35.948
You know, but, uh, I never wanna force it on.

01:18:35.948 --> 01:18:36.009
I

01:18:36.009 --> 01:18:36.219
know.

01:18:36.338 --> 01:18:43.179
What I really hear from you is a love and a passion for like, all of music, that, that was meant to be more of a compliment than an insult because I

01:18:43.224 --> 01:18:44.259
No, no, I didn't take it as an

01:18:44.259 --> 01:18:44.469
insult.

01:18:44.844 --> 01:18:44.963
Yeah.

01:18:44.979 --> 01:18:50.649
Because it just seems like you just love all of music, all the people, all the personalities, all the

01:18:50.679 --> 01:18:51.698
don't we need it though.

01:18:51.698 --> 01:18:52.779
Glory the industry.

01:18:52.868 --> 01:18:53.229
Right?

01:18:53.259 --> 01:18:53.319
Yeah.

01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:55.238
It's amazing what people can create together.

01:18:55.238 --> 01:18:55.269
I,

01:18:55.479 --> 01:19:10.838
you, you, you think about the, uh, the brilliance of a, of a composer, Mozart, Bach, any of the, that some of'em are doing it without being able to hear that much, or how they're able to compose a, an orchestra, a symphony.

01:19:10.838 --> 01:19:11.048
Yeah.

01:19:11.859 --> 01:19:12.923
And the complexity that they

01:19:12.984 --> 01:19:13.203
did.

01:19:13.203 --> 01:19:15.248
It's like doing super high level math in your head.

01:19:15.248 --> 01:19:15.698
It is

01:19:15.698 --> 01:19:16.088
almost,

01:19:16.088 --> 01:19:16.479
it is.

01:19:16.509 --> 01:19:16.779
Right.

01:19:16.988 --> 01:19:17.918
Because you can't hear it until

01:19:17.918 --> 01:19:18.548
you hear it.

01:19:18.609 --> 01:19:18.908
Yeah.

01:19:18.969 --> 01:19:20.349
And it, and it's all here.

01:19:20.859 --> 01:19:23.048
It's just a matter of how it connects.

01:19:23.048 --> 01:19:31.238
And for me, I just, I felt, I felt the connection heart string wise with music early, very in tune with it.

01:19:31.298 --> 01:19:45.729
Um, and it just affects me in such, uh, to the point where I, even on, like now on my LinkedIn, I'll put playlists for an opening shift, playlist for a mid shift close, uh, music for a closing shift for staffs if they want it.

01:19:45.939 --> 01:19:46.088
Hmm.

01:19:46.328 --> 01:19:53.649
Over the years, I crafted music that I know motivates, and when it's to be chill and when it's just to be coasting.

01:19:53.859 --> 01:19:54.219
Yeah.

01:19:54.279 --> 01:19:57.849
And when you need to just pound it to the metal, you know, it's like interesting.

01:19:58.059 --> 01:20:01.088
Um, music is so influential.

01:20:01.328 --> 01:20:09.819
Before we move back to your move back to Denver, um, do you have favorite local bands in music that you, uh, try to make sure you see?

01:20:10.298 --> 01:20:13.149
Uh, you mean at that time or right now?

01:20:13.149 --> 01:20:13.208
No,

01:20:13.208 --> 01:20:13.219
now.

01:20:13.219 --> 01:20:13.269
Right now.

01:20:13.269 --> 01:20:13.418
Yeah.

01:20:13.418 --> 01:20:13.809
Now.

01:20:13.809 --> 01:20:15.429
So I, while we're here, yeah.

01:20:15.429 --> 01:20:20.738
I am so disconnected as far as, uh, seeing bands at night here.

01:20:20.738 --> 01:20:22.134
I just, I have a fourth, I have

01:20:22.134 --> 01:20:22.929
small kids.

01:20:23.078 --> 01:20:23.408
Right.

01:20:23.408 --> 01:20:25.958
But, but I, I will say that, uh, no.

01:20:25.958 --> 01:20:28.599
A coworker of mine turned me on to Billy Strings.

01:20:28.868 --> 01:20:29.048
Sure.

01:20:29.048 --> 01:20:32.769
Um, who is the fact that he.

01:20:33.908 --> 01:20:39.399
Can jam with tool and jam with anybody from the dead, like

01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:40.328
leftover salmon.

01:20:40.328 --> 01:20:40.509
Yeah.

01:20:40.514 --> 01:20:41.109
You, you name it.

01:20:41.198 --> 01:20:41.859
Uh, yeah.

01:20:41.859 --> 01:20:43.208
The samples, who, you name it.

01:20:44.109 --> 01:20:51.939
An amazing musician who is completely channeled incorrectly with what they're supposed to be doing because they trust

01:20:51.939 --> 01:20:53.349
like the consummate professional.

01:20:53.469 --> 01:20:53.889
Yeah.

01:20:53.918 --> 01:20:55.118
But they trust what they're doing.

01:20:55.118 --> 01:20:57.639
They love what they're doing, and the intention is real.

01:20:57.639 --> 01:21:04.538
And that's why he is blessed and doing everything that he wants to do and jamming with anybody.

01:21:04.538 --> 01:21:07.088
He wants to be, they, they are attracted to him.

01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:07.509
Yeah.

01:21:07.689 --> 01:21:13.509
And it's like the entire industry is coming to him, not he's being discovered.

01:21:13.509 --> 01:21:16.059
It's the fact that he has stayed his course.

01:21:16.118 --> 01:21:16.298
Yeah.

01:21:16.569 --> 01:21:21.368
And he's just being a pure musician and everybody's just like, wow, who is this guy?

01:21:21.519 --> 01:21:23.859
And they're finally figuring out genius.

01:21:24.128 --> 01:21:24.548
I love that.

01:21:24.819 --> 01:21:25.208
Yeah.

01:21:25.389 --> 01:21:27.279
Um, so you moved back to Denver.

01:21:27.458 --> 01:21:29.679
You're 30 ish years old, you're

01:21:29.679 --> 01:21:30.099
ish

01:21:30.248 --> 01:21:31.899
trying to like get your

01:21:31.958 --> 01:21:32.319
Yeah.

01:21:32.948 --> 01:21:35.198
Uh, new track established, I guess, a little bit.

01:21:35.203 --> 01:21:35.423
Yeah.

01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:35.738
Yeah.

01:21:35.738 --> 01:21:43.509
So I, I figured, you know, it's time to, uh, grow up and, and you know, the pressures of life were like, Hey, you need to have a family.

01:21:43.509 --> 01:21:45.128
You need to have kids and whatnot.

01:21:45.338 --> 01:21:51.099
And, um, it never was in my mind to have a family get married.

01:21:51.099 --> 01:21:52.088
It just wasn't.

01:21:52.689 --> 01:22:01.059
Uh, and then all of a sudden I get recruited by Hard Rock Cafe and my world just changed.

01:22:01.059 --> 01:22:02.078
It was,

01:22:02.168 --> 01:22:02.288
Hmm.

01:22:03.444 --> 01:22:11.274
They wanted me to be the voice for the customers and be able to talk about all of the memorabilia that was on the walls.

01:22:11.543 --> 01:22:11.904
Oh, fun.

01:22:12.894 --> 01:22:14.154
Were you recruited to come to Denver?

01:22:14.154 --> 01:22:14.484
Yeah.

01:22:14.543 --> 01:22:14.783
Yeah.

01:22:14.814 --> 01:22:15.113
Okay.

01:22:15.113 --> 01:22:15.833
As well?

01:22:16.043 --> 01:22:18.654
No, I was in Denver, but I was recruited by the company.

01:22:18.654 --> 01:22:21.083
I didn't even know they had a heart rock cafe in Denver.

01:22:21.083 --> 01:22:21.323
Right.

01:22:21.323 --> 01:22:22.043
And I front Denver.

01:22:22.043 --> 01:22:22.418
I'm like, really?

01:22:22.418 --> 01:22:23.154
They're like, we got

01:22:23.154 --> 01:22:24.264
this kind of, yeah.

01:22:24.413 --> 01:22:25.493
Where's the, where is it?

01:22:25.493 --> 01:22:26.634
They're like, 16th Street Mall.

01:22:26.634 --> 01:22:28.014
I'm like, no way.

01:22:28.043 --> 01:22:29.783
I've been down there like a year ago.

01:22:30.533 --> 01:22:33.743
And, and that, that was the key was like, okay, wow.

01:22:33.804 --> 01:22:35.694
Uh, how do we make a difference?

01:22:35.934 --> 01:22:36.173
Yeah.

01:22:36.173 --> 01:22:38.243
So that everybody understands that it's here.

01:22:38.243 --> 01:22:42.684
So they brought me in as from the retail side to build the business.

01:22:42.713 --> 01:22:47.458
Uh, it was a 600 square foot store, 600 square feet, and it, they went, I've

01:22:47.458 --> 01:22:47.814
been in there

01:22:48.083 --> 01:22:48.264
a couple

01:22:48.264 --> 01:22:48.623
times

01:22:48.713 --> 01:22:50.064
and they were doing under a million.

01:22:50.064 --> 01:22:52.344
They're like, we need it to do over a million.

01:22:52.344 --> 01:22:53.453
I'm like, no sweat.

01:22:54.144 --> 01:22:57.654
So we went to, I think 2.5 million in a year and a half.

01:22:57.654 --> 01:23:01.104
We were top of the rock, which means you're the best cafe in the world.

01:23:01.104 --> 01:23:03.564
Twice in the seven years I was there.

01:23:03.564 --> 01:23:04.644
We had some great leadership.

01:23:04.644 --> 01:23:08.033
My boss, Sean Finney, John, Lindsay Li, Liz

01:23:08.033 --> 01:23:08.363
Riley.

01:23:08.363 --> 01:23:09.024
It was your.

01:23:09.399 --> 01:23:10.118
Passion.

01:23:10.149 --> 01:23:10.389
Yeah.

01:23:10.389 --> 01:23:11.048
For

01:23:11.109 --> 01:23:11.649
music.

01:23:11.649 --> 01:23:12.158
Music,

01:23:12.158 --> 01:23:12.548
yeah.

01:23:12.578 --> 01:23:13.988
And the whole thing, not just the drumming.

01:23:14.019 --> 01:23:14.229
Yeah.

01:23:14.229 --> 01:23:14.408
Yeah.

01:23:14.408 --> 01:23:15.729
That's what propelled you

01:23:15.729 --> 01:23:16.298
to success

01:23:16.384 --> 01:23:16.684
in that.

01:23:16.689 --> 01:23:17.019
In

01:23:17.019 --> 01:23:17.198
some

01:23:17.198 --> 01:23:17.498
ways

01:23:17.498 --> 01:23:18.849
it just worked because Yeah.

01:23:18.849 --> 01:23:20.168
And your understanding of the front line.

01:23:20.288 --> 01:23:20.618
Yep.

01:23:21.069 --> 01:23:21.309
Yeah.

01:23:21.309 --> 01:23:22.779
And the people that interact with the customers.

01:23:22.868 --> 01:23:23.529
Thank you for connecting.

01:23:25.088 --> 01:23:25.418
Yeah.

01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.099
It was, uh, it was a blast.

01:23:27.099 --> 01:23:29.498
It was not a job again, it was not a job.

01:23:29.498 --> 01:23:35.168
Just like the music industry, you know, you're, you're told to go to a music release party for the cure.

01:23:35.859 --> 01:23:35.948
Oh.

01:23:35.948 --> 01:23:37.029
You have to have five drinks.

01:23:37.029 --> 01:23:37.838
Okay, that's fine.

01:23:37.868 --> 01:23:40.418
You know, but you're selling the album, no big deal.

01:23:40.838 --> 01:23:42.788
It was 25 years of not working.

01:23:42.788 --> 01:23:49.479
And, and Hard Rock was a great feed for me into that next realm where I'd meet my future wife.

01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:49.509
Okay.

01:23:49.538 --> 01:23:50.724
Uh, and then do you wanna

01:23:50.724 --> 01:23:51.283
say hi to her now?

01:23:51.344 --> 01:23:52.404
And Natalia Hi.

01:23:52.463 --> 01:23:53.323
Hi, Natalia, are you there?

01:23:53.679 --> 01:23:54.429
And kids?

01:23:54.488 --> 01:23:56.109
Uh, yeah.

01:23:56.113 --> 01:23:57.759
You know, you know who you are.

01:23:58.179 --> 01:23:58.689
Uh.

01:23:59.094 --> 01:24:02.514
It changed everything, changed the trajectory of my life.

01:24:02.573 --> 01:24:08.033
Um, I would have kids, which I never thought I could have.

01:24:08.064 --> 01:24:11.229
Uh, everything is meant to happen the way you have.

01:24:11.229 --> 01:24:11.238
I

01:24:11.238 --> 01:24:13.554
slept with a lot of women and nobody ever called me and said,

01:24:13.554 --> 01:24:14.243
Hey, you got

01:24:14.814 --> 01:24:15.293
baby.

01:24:16.104 --> 01:24:17.453
They call it the zip code rule.

01:24:19.253 --> 01:24:20.694
Well talk about that some other time.

01:24:21.173 --> 01:24:21.444
Yeah.

01:24:21.444 --> 01:24:27.623
But, you know, it was just not in my brain to think, okay, I need to, you know, it's not, I just wasn't mature enough.

01:24:27.684 --> 01:24:30.863
I, I didn't think I'd be a good enough dad.

01:24:30.894 --> 01:24:32.814
'cause the dad I had was amazing.

01:24:32.844 --> 01:24:35.634
And I, I felt, I felt challenged.

01:24:35.634 --> 01:24:39.293
Like there's no way I could ever live up to the way my dad was a dad for me.

01:24:39.293 --> 01:24:41.394
And, uh, you know, once Did

01:24:41.394 --> 01:24:43.349
you stay in close contact with your dad then?

01:24:43.488 --> 01:24:45.533
Uh, he, he died in 2003.

01:24:45.533 --> 01:24:45.713
Okay.

01:24:45.774 --> 01:24:47.814
So he, he passed, uh, show that

01:24:47.814 --> 01:24:48.774
many years after you.

01:24:48.774 --> 01:24:49.613
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:49.673 --> 01:24:51.354
And he died early for me.

01:24:51.354 --> 01:24:55.134
I was 33 and my mom passed in 2018.

01:24:55.134 --> 01:24:55.404
My dad.

01:24:55.404 --> 01:24:55.493
And

01:24:55.493 --> 01:24:57.054
you were in California most of that time

01:24:57.054 --> 01:24:57.293
between, yeah.

01:24:57.713 --> 01:24:58.104
Yeah.

01:24:58.163 --> 01:25:01.134
But he was, he was the full.

01:25:01.689 --> 01:25:03.009
Supporter of music.

01:25:03.069 --> 01:25:06.908
He said, you do whatever you wanna do, but just make sure you go at it a hundred percent.

01:25:06.998 --> 01:25:07.418
You know?

01:25:08.019 --> 01:25:11.048
Um, and he helped me get the first drum set.

01:25:11.109 --> 01:25:15.038
He, uh, he helped me buy the first three cassettes when I was young.

01:25:15.038 --> 01:25:16.748
I mean, he was just, he was just there.

01:25:16.748 --> 01:25:19.569
So what made you feel like you wouldn't be a good dad?

01:25:19.569 --> 01:25:19.748
That,

01:25:20.168 --> 01:25:20.649
I don't know.

01:25:20.649 --> 01:25:23.198
It's just, it's a, it's a maturity thing really.

01:25:23.259 --> 01:25:23.708
Yeah.

01:25:23.708 --> 01:25:28.628
You know, uh, you know, I get, I, I looked at my older brother, my older sister, they had kids.

01:25:28.628 --> 01:25:29.889
I'm like, there's no way I could do that.

01:25:29.889 --> 01:25:33.368
Well, and plus you were like going to rock and roll concerts Yeah.

01:25:33.368 --> 01:25:36.998
And staying out until two o'clock in the morning and partying four nights a week.

01:25:36.998 --> 01:25:37.088
Yes.

01:25:37.088 --> 01:25:42.309
When you were 29 years old with a bunch of other crazy LA people.

01:25:42.548 --> 01:25:43.088
Yeah.

01:25:43.269 --> 01:25:43.448
Yeah.

01:25:43.448 --> 01:25:44.259
I remember inviting.

01:25:44.259 --> 01:25:46.238
So you're conditioned to not be responsible.

01:25:46.269 --> 01:25:46.658
Right.

01:25:46.724 --> 01:25:47.259
And, and

01:25:47.259 --> 01:25:49.628
then all of a sudden you fell in love and had to be responsible.

01:25:49.689 --> 01:25:50.048
Yeah.

01:25:50.078 --> 01:25:55.929
And it, it changed the moment I saw the strawberry and the strawberry was the size of Olivia.

01:25:56.288 --> 01:25:56.559
Mm.

01:25:56.738 --> 01:26:02.498
When she's up on the screen and they're like, uh, you have a, you have a, you're gonna have a, that's

01:26:02.498 --> 01:26:03.368
your daughter, I guess.

01:26:03.458 --> 01:26:03.759
Yeah.

01:26:04.029 --> 01:26:04.298
Okay.

01:26:04.298 --> 01:26:12.279
And, uh, I, it was the first time intentionality happened, uh, providing feel happened.

01:26:12.338 --> 01:26:20.529
Um, it just, I, it was a, it was a just a immediate shift of, okay, you need to be your father now.

01:26:20.529 --> 01:26:20.588
Yeah.

01:26:20.618 --> 01:26:23.139
And I, I was excited and.

01:26:24.038 --> 01:26:25.149
Never looked back.

01:26:25.448 --> 01:26:26.319
Never looked back.

01:26:26.349 --> 01:26:27.429
It's an amazing experience.

01:26:27.429 --> 01:26:28.689
So how did that play out for you?

01:26:28.809 --> 01:26:29.738
Like, uh,

01:26:30.099 --> 01:26:32.859
so we, we worked together.

01:26:32.859 --> 01:26:34.359
We met each other through work.

01:26:34.418 --> 01:26:38.559
Uh, we agreed that one of us had to leave'cause you were not allowed to f fraternize.

01:26:38.798 --> 01:26:41.019
A manager was not allowed to fraternize with the help.

01:26:41.109 --> 01:26:41.229
Okay.

01:26:41.229 --> 01:26:42.878
And we knew something was there.

01:26:42.908 --> 01:26:48.368
Uh, we hiked this, uh, love, hope, strength, uh, fundraiser.

01:26:48.488 --> 01:26:52.689
It was the singer from the, the alarm or the call, please forgive me.

01:26:53.918 --> 01:26:54.698
Love, hope Strength.

01:26:54.698 --> 01:26:56.979
So it was, uh, bone marrow cancer research.

01:26:57.038 --> 01:26:57.338
Okay.

01:26:57.368 --> 01:27:02.618
Uh, and so John Lindsey, a buddy of mine who worked for Warner Brothers, he set it up.

01:27:02.679 --> 01:27:08.198
Uh, we had Kevin Bacon, we had, uh, Cy Kerin from the Fix.

01:27:08.198 --> 01:27:13.779
We had the singer from the alarm, um, uh, Kevin Bacon's brother.

01:27:13.779 --> 01:27:20.109
We, we would raise help, raise money, uh, more people that hiked Pike's Peak.

01:27:20.109 --> 01:27:25.809
The more people that hiked of the Veil Pass, it'd be a thousand dollars per person.

01:27:25.958 --> 01:27:26.048
Wow.

01:27:26.048 --> 01:27:29.139
You know, we raised almost$80,000 in two years.

01:27:29.139 --> 01:27:30.578
We had 19 matches.

01:27:31.269 --> 01:27:37.569
Uh, and that was, that was the philanthropic, philanthropic side of things that just felt amazing.

01:27:37.658 --> 01:27:40.298
Um, these people partnered with us because.

01:27:40.974 --> 01:27:43.373
We had built that trust new relationship there.

01:27:43.373 --> 01:27:43.703
Yeah.

01:27:43.734 --> 01:27:45.083
We, we just, we just, yeah.

01:27:45.083 --> 01:27:46.134
You just know how to deal with them.

01:27:46.224 --> 01:27:51.743
And, uh, Natalia was on that hike and at the top she goes, I wanna buy you a beer, Mr.

01:27:51.743 --> 01:27:52.163
Pimple.

01:27:52.163 --> 01:27:54.234
And I'm like, you can't'cause I'm your manager.

01:27:54.863 --> 01:27:56.304
And she goes some other time.

01:27:56.304 --> 01:28:00.173
And the way she looked at me, I knew, uh, was a special moment.

01:28:00.203 --> 01:28:05.394
And, uh, I think Olivia was a result of date number three.

01:28:06.594 --> 01:28:16.823
So we knew, we knew right away, uh, and we got married and, and, and now I've got a family of four and just, I wouldn't look back at.

01:28:17.184 --> 01:28:17.423
Yeah.

01:28:17.423 --> 01:28:17.724
Ever.

01:28:17.753 --> 01:28:20.274
And so did, were you the one that left, you went to?

01:28:20.333 --> 01:28:21.384
No, actually she did.

01:28:21.444 --> 01:28:21.713
Okay.

01:28:21.743 --> 01:28:25.854
Uh, she, she quit and, uh, she finished her college.

01:28:25.913 --> 01:28:29.274
Uh, she was Kam la at CU Denver.

01:28:29.753 --> 01:28:38.213
She would get her master's through, um, uh, OSU, uh, Oregon State University, uh, data analytics and statistics.

01:28:38.663 --> 01:28:39.923
Complete brainiac.

01:28:39.923 --> 01:28:41.904
I was the heart of the marriage.

01:28:41.904 --> 01:28:42.564
She's the brain.

01:28:42.564 --> 01:28:42.684
You're

01:28:42.684 --> 01:28:43.373
the action guy.

01:28:43.373 --> 01:28:44.363
She's the thinking girl.

01:28:44.394 --> 01:28:44.934
Yeah.

01:28:45.054 --> 01:28:45.444
Yeah.

01:28:45.444 --> 01:28:48.293
So, um, she's the better half for sure.

01:28:48.293 --> 01:28:50.423
She keeps me, uh.

01:28:50.684 --> 01:28:51.163
Smart.

01:28:51.194 --> 01:28:52.453
She keeps me thinking.

01:28:52.663 --> 01:28:52.963
And how did

01:28:52.963 --> 01:28:55.033
you guys find your way up here to Northern Colorado?

01:28:55.064 --> 01:28:56.684
We decided on Fort Collins.

01:28:56.743 --> 01:28:58.783
Uh, I had been up here a few times.

01:28:58.844 --> 01:29:01.304
Uh, loved the vibe of it, loved the culture.

01:29:01.304 --> 01:29:04.873
We, we didn't wanna live in Denver at that time.

01:29:04.904 --> 01:29:10.724
Um, you know, things were shifting in 20 12, 20 13, 20 14 down there.

01:29:11.264 --> 01:29:17.264
Uh, when you worked downtown, you saw the Democratic National Convention, a hundred thousand people.

01:29:17.264 --> 01:29:23.203
You saw, uh, protests coming through, you know, 50,000 people walking down 16th Street Mall.

01:29:23.203 --> 01:29:26.354
You see, you saw people getting run over by buses.

01:29:26.354 --> 01:29:30.404
You saw people coming in with a sword, you know, threatening the whole staff.

01:29:30.404 --> 01:29:32.264
I, you know, you, you see ugly,

01:29:32.264 --> 01:29:33.644
you wanted to get away from urban.

01:29:33.644 --> 01:29:34.094
Yeah.

01:29:34.123 --> 01:29:36.338
And ultimately when, and when you have a, you

01:29:36.338 --> 01:29:39.283
got a bun in the oven, you're like, let's get this oven somewhere safer.

01:29:39.314 --> 01:29:39.644
Yeah.

01:29:39.703 --> 01:29:44.264
You just, it is amazing the shift and you just want to get into a safe place.

01:29:44.323 --> 01:29:48.253
Uh, at that time we decided to move to Oregon 2015.

01:29:48.373 --> 01:29:55.003
Uh, my mom was diagnosed with a, um, a fatal lung disease.

01:29:55.003 --> 01:29:59.623
And so we decided to get Olivia close to her, uh, to have a grandkid close to her.

01:29:59.623 --> 01:30:06.253
And I, I wanted to take care of her, um, and help her out and to her final days.

01:30:06.253 --> 01:30:09.944
And, uh, and then, you know, we obviously had.

01:30:11.003 --> 01:30:15.894
We had two miscarries after that, so we just had enough of death up there.

01:30:15.894 --> 01:30:20.543
So we decided let's get back to Colorado, but maybe not Denver.

01:30:20.753 --> 01:30:20.993
Yeah.

01:30:21.474 --> 01:30:22.253
We research.

01:30:22.253 --> 01:30:23.844
We research, we research.

01:30:23.904 --> 01:30:25.524
Uh, that's what she does for a living.

01:30:25.524 --> 01:30:28.283
She's like, Fort Collins has amazing schools.

01:30:28.373 --> 01:30:30.203
Um, the crime isn't bad.

01:30:30.444 --> 01:30:32.963
They have a lot of areas in pink, which meant good.

01:30:33.234 --> 01:30:34.854
The AKA was close by.

01:30:35.184 --> 01:30:35.514
Yeah.

01:30:35.724 --> 01:30:35.844
Aka.

01:30:35.929 --> 01:30:36.259
Which is a

01:30:36.259 --> 01:30:36.804
legendary,

01:30:36.804 --> 01:30:37.463
I love that place.

01:30:37.463 --> 01:30:38.213
Venue as well.

01:30:38.243 --> 01:30:38.514
Yeah.

01:30:38.543 --> 01:30:42.713
Which if you drive by it and you've never seen it, you can drive right by it and not know it's there.

01:30:42.713 --> 01:30:43.014
Right.

01:30:43.163 --> 01:30:43.314
Yeah.

01:30:43.314 --> 01:30:45.984
It's, it's, it's just tucked away in that little bit of goodness.

01:30:45.984 --> 01:30:52.253
I, uh, one of my best con I would, I, I actually listed it as a top three ever and I think I stand by it.

01:30:52.469 --> 01:30:52.689
Wow.

01:30:52.694 --> 01:30:53.274
Wow.

01:30:53.304 --> 01:30:53.694
Okay.

01:30:53.753 --> 01:30:57.054
But, uh, we are Robinson and Green Band.

01:30:57.774 --> 01:30:58.793
So Bob Weir.

01:30:58.974 --> 01:30:59.274
Yeah.

01:30:59.274 --> 01:31:00.953
Uh, Chris Robinson and Jackie Green.

01:31:00.984 --> 01:31:01.043
Yeah.

01:31:01.043 --> 01:31:01.073
Ooh.

01:31:01.104 --> 01:31:07.043
I saw them at AKA in, I don't know, 2016 or something like that.

01:31:07.043 --> 01:31:07.673
Wow.

01:31:07.884 --> 01:31:08.873
And he just passed.

01:31:08.873 --> 01:31:09.054
Yeah.

01:31:09.054 --> 01:31:10.434
Just passed last weekend.

01:31:10.734 --> 01:31:11.363
It hurts.

01:31:11.634 --> 01:31:12.264
That one hurts.

01:31:12.264 --> 01:31:19.793
That was such a good show too, because Chris Robinson was just exploring his not black keys rates.

01:31:19.793 --> 01:31:20.213
Yeah.

01:31:20.213 --> 01:31:20.274
Yeah.

01:31:20.274 --> 01:31:20.724
And stuff.

01:31:20.729 --> 01:31:26.243
And I, I also saw Chris Robinson in Boulder one night at, it was a 1:00 AM concert.

01:31:26.873 --> 01:31:27.173
What?

01:31:27.264 --> 01:31:29.333
So that he played with the Black Keys.

01:31:29.724 --> 01:31:29.963
Black

01:31:29.963 --> 01:31:31.224
Crows in Black Crows, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:31.224 --> 01:31:31.493
Sorry.

01:31:31.493 --> 01:31:32.123
Black Crows.

01:31:32.123 --> 01:31:32.333
Yep.

01:31:32.423 --> 01:31:32.873
My bad.

01:31:32.934 --> 01:31:33.264
No, you're

01:31:33.264 --> 01:31:33.384
good.

01:31:33.384 --> 01:31:34.014
In Denver.

01:31:34.418 --> 01:31:38.783
And then came to be part of the Chris Robinson Trio or something like that.

01:31:38.793 --> 01:31:39.134
Oh my

01:31:39.134 --> 01:31:39.253
God.

01:31:39.368 --> 01:31:41.889
In Boulder with a concert that started at 1:00 AM

01:31:42.939 --> 01:31:43.628
That's awesome.

01:31:44.083 --> 01:31:44.738
It was awesome.

01:31:44.738 --> 01:31:45.038
That

01:31:45.038 --> 01:31:45.309
is cool.

01:31:45.309 --> 01:31:48.939
It was one of the crazy, I I had to agree to be the designated driver.

01:31:49.118 --> 01:31:51.069
Um,'cause I could, I could smoke weed, but

01:31:51.069 --> 01:31:51.609
in Boulder.

01:31:52.059 --> 01:31:52.328
Yeah.

01:31:53.288 --> 01:31:56.889
Well, I, like, I was allowed to, like everybody else was drinkers mostly.

01:31:56.894 --> 01:31:57.038
Sure, sure.

01:31:57.038 --> 01:32:00.009
But I was like, I'm fine just not drinking, but I'll just smoke weed.

01:32:00.128 --> 01:32:00.399
Yep.

01:32:00.878 --> 01:32:04.719
And that was relatively safe comparably in those days especially.

01:32:04.809 --> 01:32:05.229
Sure.

01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:06.939
Uh, pre legalization.

01:32:06.969 --> 01:32:07.029
Yeah.

01:32:08.408 --> 01:32:12.788
But yeah, that was like a 2007 or eight concert or something like that.

01:32:12.788 --> 01:32:13.599
Probably.

01:32:13.599 --> 01:32:14.889
And, uh, yeah, drive it.

01:32:15.099 --> 01:32:20.288
Remember we stopped for breakfast at like five o'clock in the morning at an IHOP or something like that.

01:32:20.288 --> 01:32:20.498
Yeah.

01:32:20.559 --> 01:32:24.698
Like in Longmont, you know, which is cool.

01:32:24.698 --> 01:32:26.618
It's a whole different mind phase.

01:32:26.618 --> 01:32:28.868
And you probably experienced this so much more than me.

01:32:28.868 --> 01:32:29.198
Like,

01:32:29.259 --> 01:32:29.918
uh,

01:32:29.918 --> 01:32:30.009
yes

01:32:30.878 --> 01:32:31.269
and no.

01:32:31.384 --> 01:32:34.838
Being at the wrong time, at the wrong state of mind, you know, you're like,

01:32:34.929 --> 01:32:35.769
or the right place

01:32:35.918 --> 01:32:36.663
at the right state of mind.

01:32:36.663 --> 01:32:38.559
Oh, the, the sun is rising and yet,

01:32:38.559 --> 01:32:38.948
yeah.

01:32:39.009 --> 01:32:39.458
Oh boy.

01:32:39.458 --> 01:32:40.599
Am I ready for bit?

01:32:40.719 --> 01:32:41.019
Yeah.

01:32:41.019 --> 01:32:41.828
So, okay.

01:32:41.859 --> 01:32:43.238
Let's talk about Chris Robinson.

01:32:43.238 --> 01:32:45.458
So he was with the Black Crows?

01:32:45.548 --> 01:32:46.029
Yes.

01:32:46.118 --> 01:32:46.779
Um.

01:32:47.213 --> 01:32:47.753
It was beef.

01:32:47.753 --> 01:32:47.814
Yeah.

01:32:47.814 --> 01:32:48.863
Sorry Chris, if you're listening to

01:32:49.014 --> 01:32:49.104
this.

01:32:49.163 --> 01:32:49.354
No, no.

01:32:49.583 --> 01:32:50.993
Totally meant Black Crows not black

01:32:50.993 --> 01:32:51.113
kids.

01:32:51.113 --> 01:32:51.533
No, no, no.

01:32:51.533 --> 01:32:57.984
Yeah, so you have them, you have the B 50 twos, you have Ziggy Marley, uh, on a Trio tour.

01:32:58.163 --> 01:32:58.344
Oh wow.

01:32:58.344 --> 01:33:01.673
It was out, out in Oakland, uh, the Omni Theater.

01:33:01.884 --> 01:33:08.993
And my buddy was doing lights and this company, he called Studio Fog, so he did fogging lights for all the bands in town.

01:33:08.993 --> 01:33:10.373
So he's like, Hey, do you wanna come down?

01:33:10.373 --> 01:33:11.934
I'm like, yeah, I wanna see the B 50 twos.

01:33:11.934 --> 01:33:13.104
And I kinda wanna see the Black Crows.

01:33:13.134 --> 01:33:14.753
'cause they were hot at that time.

01:33:14.753 --> 01:33:18.833
This would've been 90, 96 ish.

01:33:18.833 --> 01:33:18.923
And

01:33:18.923 --> 01:33:21.384
Chris Robinson was dating like the hottest chicken in Hollywood at the

01:33:21.384 --> 01:33:21.503
time.

01:33:21.623 --> 01:33:22.163
Uh, yeah.

01:33:22.163 --> 01:33:22.823
Hudson, right?

01:33:23.453 --> 01:33:24.054
Katie Hudson.

01:33:24.054 --> 01:33:24.293
Yep.

01:33:24.323 --> 01:33:24.623
Yep.

01:33:24.804 --> 01:33:26.904
And so, uh, we're there.

01:33:26.904 --> 01:33:27.804
Hey Katie, if you're listening,

01:33:28.314 --> 01:33:28.764
hi.

01:33:28.884 --> 01:33:30.594
I don't know you, but good.

01:33:30.594 --> 01:33:31.554
Well, you're really cool.

01:33:31.734 --> 01:33:33.774
Uh, so he's setting up everything on stage.

01:33:33.774 --> 01:33:33.833
My

01:33:33.833 --> 01:33:40.644
wife would probably let us have a threesome if you checked it out, Katie, there's not very many women that she would love that, but she thinks you're super awesome.

01:33:41.484 --> 01:33:45.203
For us, it would be, uh, for us it would be, uh, Rachel Weiss,

01:33:45.894 --> 01:33:46.823
I dunno who that is.

01:33:46.823 --> 01:33:48.804
She's, uh, David Craig's, uh, wife.

01:33:48.833 --> 01:33:49.283
Okay.

01:33:49.344 --> 01:33:51.279
She was in, uh, oh, she's been in

01:33:51.323 --> 01:33:52.463
David Craig, or Daniel Craig.

01:33:52.524 --> 01:33:55.554
David Craig from James Bond, his wife, uh, Rachel Weese.

01:33:55.554 --> 01:33:56.003
Is Daniel

01:33:56.003 --> 01:33:56.363
Craig.

01:33:56.394 --> 01:33:57.323
Daniel Craig, sorry.

01:33:57.384 --> 01:33:58.224
Uh, Rachel Weis.

01:33:58.253 --> 01:33:58.974
Oh, so his wife.

01:33:59.003 --> 01:33:59.573
I'll look her up.

01:33:59.844 --> 01:34:02.854
Yeah, she's, yeah, she's, uh, yeah, she's, anyway, she's cute.

01:34:02.904 --> 01:34:02.934
I

01:34:02.934 --> 01:34:03.354
digress.

01:34:03.684 --> 01:34:04.913
Jill, if you're listening to this, sorry to tell you.

01:34:04.913 --> 01:34:05.123
Yep.

01:34:05.514 --> 01:34:07.613
Uh, but we, uh, we get to it.

01:34:07.764 --> 01:34:09.863
Uh, he's setting up everything on the stage.

01:34:09.923 --> 01:34:13.373
The tour bus comes up and they open the doors and it's just a.

01:34:13.884 --> 01:34:16.404
Bellowing cloud of, of weed.

01:34:17.694 --> 01:34:21.323
And, and Ziggy comes out with this joint, the size of a football.

01:34:21.413 --> 01:34:23.394
I kid you not, it is rolled.

01:34:24.384 --> 01:34:26.753
It's like he was almost double handling.

01:34:26.783 --> 01:34:29.484
They're just, they're winding this thing up and it's taking forever.

01:34:29.963 --> 01:34:31.014
It's like, wow.

01:34:31.014 --> 01:34:32.934
That is, that's how they do it down there.

01:34:32.963 --> 01:34:33.354
Right?

01:34:33.354 --> 01:34:38.003
And so, uh, yeah, uh, getting high was an understatement.

01:34:38.064 --> 01:34:43.884
Uh, just being in that backstage area, everybody was completely baked.

01:34:43.884 --> 01:34:44.514
And that's contact

01:34:44.514 --> 01:34:45.024
buzz.

01:34:45.203 --> 01:34:45.623
Yeah.

01:34:45.623 --> 01:34:49.194
And that's, that's where I earned my name, uh, kickstand Johnny.

01:34:49.253 --> 01:34:51.203
Uh, because I, I,

01:34:52.253 --> 01:34:53.783
if you could high, you just stand there.

01:34:53.844 --> 01:34:55.043
I, I, I can't.

01:34:55.043 --> 01:34:56.363
I just, I just turn into a

01:34:56.363 --> 01:34:56.724
zombie.

01:34:56.724 --> 01:34:58.288
It takes the action orientation out of you.

01:35:00.578 --> 01:35:00.929
Right?

01:35:01.958 --> 01:35:03.444
Well, this was years ago.

01:35:03.533 --> 01:35:04.823
Uh, businesses I would

01:35:05.274 --> 01:35:05.453
do Probably still true.

01:35:05.783 --> 01:35:06.083
Yeah.

01:35:06.113 --> 01:35:07.703
No, I don't kick stand anymore.

01:35:07.703 --> 01:35:08.694
But yeah, I would lean up.

01:35:08.783 --> 01:35:15.113
I'd be the guy leaning up against the wall and just staring and just, uh, thinking about everything and anything.

01:35:15.144 --> 01:35:16.854
And, uh, it was a good time.

01:35:16.913 --> 01:35:19.073
Uh, it was a great story, uh, being a part of

01:35:20.483 --> 01:35:24.082
The only reason I'm attracted to her is because of how much she reminds me of my wife.

01:35:24.113 --> 01:35:26.483
Well, uh, yeah, sorry.

01:35:26.512 --> 01:35:32.182
No, I just, uh, so yeah, Natalia, uh, she is,

01:35:32.273 --> 01:35:32.842
Let's talk about it.

01:35:32.842 --> 01:35:33.052
Yeah.

01:35:33.052 --> 01:35:34.972
She is, uh, Eastern European.

01:35:35.122 --> 01:35:35.512
Okay.

01:35:35.573 --> 01:35:39.682
From Belarus, which is a, a hot country right now.

01:35:39.887 --> 01:35:40.177
Yeah.

01:35:40.193 --> 01:35:40.462
Yeah.

01:35:40.523 --> 01:35:42.948
She moved here in 2006, 2000.

01:35:43.193 --> 01:35:43.462
That's like

01:35:43.462 --> 01:35:44.483
Russia's only friend.

01:35:45.382 --> 01:35:47.457
Not really just for the leader, not the people.

01:35:47.462 --> 01:35:50.122
The people can't stand what's going on.

01:35:50.182 --> 01:35:54.023
Are they more like Lithuania kind of style in terms of their culture and stuff?

01:35:54.052 --> 01:35:54.502
Yeah, like the

01:35:54.502 --> 01:35:55.283
Baltics or whatever.

01:35:55.313 --> 01:35:55.523
Yeah.

01:35:55.523 --> 01:35:57.412
Lithuania, if you go back

01:35:57.412 --> 01:35:58.733
dystonia, whatever.

01:35:58.762 --> 01:35:59.063
Yeah.

01:35:59.063 --> 01:36:00.292
It's very, um,

01:36:01.283 --> 01:36:02.993
my wife and I hosted a kid from Finland.

01:36:03.773 --> 01:36:03.953
Yeah.

01:36:03.953 --> 01:36:05.153
And he talked a fair bit about

01:36:05.153 --> 01:36:05.453
Yep.

01:36:05.693 --> 01:36:11.662
Like the consequence of Russia, bad kind of policies and stuff like that on there.

01:36:11.842 --> 01:36:12.052
Yeah.

01:36:12.052 --> 01:36:21.172
So you have Lukashenko, who literally is, is uh, who tries to look like a, he's standing on his own leader.

01:36:21.172 --> 01:36:21.203
Mini leader Putin.

01:36:21.203 --> 01:36:21.478
Yeah.

01:36:21.832 --> 01:36:22.283
MiniMe Putin.

01:36:22.283 --> 01:36:24.743
But he's, he's actually big, he's a gigantic guy.

01:36:24.743 --> 01:36:27.082
He is like six, seven, uh, from what I understand.

01:36:27.082 --> 01:36:39.323
But, uh, Natalia actually was in the same, uh, room as Putin at one time, and she said how short he was, uh, and how he, this time he was still.

01:36:39.863 --> 01:36:42.113
I think he had just gotten outta the KGB or whatnot.

01:36:42.563 --> 01:36:48.712
Anyway, she, she moved here in 2006, uh, to pursue her education she had, um, and to

01:36:48.712 --> 01:36:49.733
get the hell out of there.

01:36:49.853 --> 01:36:50.212
Yeah.

01:36:50.393 --> 01:36:50.783
Yeah.

01:36:50.783 --> 01:37:03.472
The, the opportunities are limited because, uh, a lot of the men, um, you think about from, uh, demographic, uh, they were annihilated during World War ii, so there was almost zero men.

01:37:04.283 --> 01:37:08.542
So the ratio is, is five to one for women.

01:37:08.573 --> 01:37:12.863
And the men that are there are literally alcoholics as she states.

01:37:12.863 --> 01:37:15.443
There's, there's just no future, there's nothing to do.

01:37:15.443 --> 01:37:16.733
So, you know, she's, so if

01:37:16.733 --> 01:37:19.643
you're looking for some hot chicks with a Russian accent,

01:37:19.643 --> 01:37:19.972
yeah.

01:37:20.002 --> 01:37:20.182
Go

01:37:20.182 --> 01:37:20.273
to

01:37:20.273 --> 01:37:20.573
Belarus.

01:37:20.932 --> 01:37:22.103
Well, don't go there.

01:37:22.103 --> 01:37:22.823
Just, uh,

01:37:22.912 --> 01:37:24.052
wait here for them to show up.

01:37:25.073 --> 01:37:25.162
Right.

01:37:25.643 --> 01:37:28.132
It seems like easier hunting if you're over there though,

01:37:28.552 --> 01:37:29.332
saying, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:29.332 --> 01:37:31.523
But, you know, so she moved here.

01:37:31.523 --> 01:37:38.662
Her mom helped her out, uh, to get here, and she had uc, Berkeley, uh, on the radar where they wanted her.

01:37:38.662 --> 01:37:39.863
I mean, she's, she's smart.

01:37:39.863 --> 01:37:41.243
She's, she's uber smart.

01:37:41.903 --> 01:37:42.863
And, um.

01:37:43.792 --> 01:37:47.273
You know, when you graduate high school there, they call it the gymnasium.

01:37:47.273 --> 01:37:50.962
It's the equivalent of of earning your college degree by the time you're 18.

01:37:50.962 --> 01:37:58.372
That is how competitive the Russian Ukrainian, uh, Belarusian background is with education.

01:37:58.372 --> 01:38:03.712
They are strict and they put you through, I mean, you're there from 7:00 AM till 7:00 PM Push

01:38:03.712 --> 01:38:04.103
you hard.

01:38:04.132 --> 01:38:04.283
Yeah.

01:38:04.283 --> 01:38:05.813
If you're, if you're, if you got the stuff.

01:38:05.842 --> 01:38:06.082
Yeah.

01:38:06.082 --> 01:38:11.752
And even if you're, if you wanna be a gymnast, if you want to be, you know, any Olympic you are,

01:38:11.752 --> 01:38:12.802
any kind of a high

01:38:13.042 --> 01:38:14.768
achieve that's, yeah.

01:38:15.052 --> 01:38:15.863
It's all in.

01:38:15.863 --> 01:38:19.613
And if you fit the profile, even if you don't want it, they push you in it.

01:38:19.672 --> 01:38:19.972
Yeah.

01:38:20.247 --> 01:38:20.488
Interesting.

01:38:20.493 --> 01:38:23.842
So she had to get out, she was able to get out that time.

01:38:23.872 --> 01:38:29.872
Uh, she became a US citizen in 2016, right after we moved to Oregon.

01:38:29.932 --> 01:38:30.712
Um,

01:38:30.802 --> 01:38:36.533
and she like came to Denver, finished her schooling and went to the Hard Rock Cafe kind

01:38:36.533 --> 01:38:36.682
of thing.

01:38:36.682 --> 01:38:36.743
Yeah.

01:38:36.743 --> 01:38:37.372
Well, okay.

01:38:37.403 --> 01:38:44.453
So she, she, uh, started off as a J one, uh, which is the terminology for Visa working Yeah.

01:38:44.453 --> 01:38:45.323
Student visa, right?

01:38:45.323 --> 01:38:45.412
Yep.

01:38:45.412 --> 01:38:53.153
Student visa working up in Estes Park, uh, as a server, and then she would later move out to San Francisco.

01:38:53.813 --> 01:38:56.722
Uh, where uc, Berkeley didn't happen for her.

01:38:56.722 --> 01:38:59.332
She ended up going to San Francisco State for a little while.

01:38:59.393 --> 01:38:59.662
Yeah.

01:38:59.993 --> 01:39:03.353
Um, and then it was just, it, it's expensive out there, friend of her.

01:39:03.353 --> 01:39:03.412
So

01:39:03.412 --> 01:39:05.453
basically she was an elite

01:39:05.752 --> 01:39:06.082
Yeah.

01:39:06.412 --> 01:39:08.273
From her nation of Belarus

01:39:08.603 --> 01:39:10.552
and started, started from scratch

01:39:10.552 --> 01:39:10.643
here.

01:39:10.643 --> 01:39:13.313
Worked hard for a long time, for 10 years

01:39:13.313 --> 01:39:13.643
Yeah.

01:39:14.063 --> 01:39:15.802
To eventually gain her citizenship.

01:39:15.953 --> 01:39:16.313
Yeah.

01:39:16.432 --> 01:39:18.082
Despite already having babies here too.

01:39:18.287 --> 01:39:18.578
Yeah.

01:39:20.033 --> 01:39:20.122
Right.

01:39:20.122 --> 01:39:20.212
Yeah.

01:39:20.243 --> 01:39:21.653
When did Olivia came along?

01:39:21.653 --> 01:39:22.493
Years before.

01:39:22.523 --> 01:39:22.972
Yeah.

01:39:22.972 --> 01:39:24.143
Olivia happened.

01:39:24.143 --> 01:39:26.002
Well, Olivia happened in 2014.

01:39:26.033 --> 01:39:26.243
Yeah.

01:39:26.302 --> 01:39:29.903
Uh, but we, you know, and we have friends.

01:39:29.903 --> 01:39:29.962
I'm

01:39:29.962 --> 01:39:32.483
just kind of trying to set the stage for what kind of effort it

01:39:32.903 --> 01:39:33.233
Right.

01:39:33.233 --> 01:39:36.443
Has historically taken to be part of our country, you know?

01:39:36.472 --> 01:39:37.672
Well, she worked her butt off.

01:39:37.703 --> 01:39:38.033
Yeah.

01:39:38.033 --> 01:39:38.243
Yeah.

01:39:38.243 --> 01:39:42.712
She, she started off with, uh, hotels with changing.

01:39:43.478 --> 01:39:50.408
Uh, cleaning rooms to, uh, becoming a waitress to then working at a higher end restaurant to then Yeah.

01:39:50.797 --> 01:39:51.097
Uh, and

01:39:51.097 --> 01:39:51.728
learning English.

01:39:51.728 --> 01:39:52.478
Meanwhile, probably,

01:39:52.478 --> 01:39:54.488
well, she learned English at the age of six.

01:39:54.547 --> 01:39:54.847
Oh, wow.

01:39:54.847 --> 01:39:56.797
Uh, it was just her calling.

01:39:56.797 --> 01:39:58.448
She said, I, I wanted to learn.

01:39:58.507 --> 01:40:00.518
Uh, her older brother taught her how to Wow.

01:40:00.518 --> 01:40:01.537
How to learn English.

01:40:01.898 --> 01:40:03.037
She is a linguist.

01:40:03.097 --> 01:40:05.347
Uh, she has five languages under her belt.

01:40:05.528 --> 01:40:05.738
Wow.

01:40:05.797 --> 01:40:07.478
Um, including Latin.

01:40:08.047 --> 01:40:11.887
Um, she is just extremely, uh, and so

01:40:11.887 --> 01:40:15.097
why did she say yes to second and third date?

01:40:15.307 --> 01:40:16.238
You got lucky in the third

01:40:16.238 --> 01:40:16.747
date you said?

01:40:16.778 --> 01:40:22.207
Uh, for whatever reason, she just said, I knew when I saw Johnny Ple, you know, he was he was the fle

01:40:22.537 --> 01:40:22.957
plan.

01:40:23.018 --> 01:40:24.488
Yeah, the fle plan was working.

01:40:24.932 --> 01:40:27.337
The, the force was strong with the fle plan.

01:40:28.118 --> 01:40:29.563
We just, uh, we just connected You just vibed?

01:40:29.978 --> 01:40:30.188
Yeah.

01:40:30.188 --> 01:40:31.358
I saw her out in San Francisco.

01:40:31.358 --> 01:40:33.488
I was at a training seminar for Hard Rock.

01:40:33.488 --> 01:40:36.158
I was, uh, being trained as the kitchen manager position.

01:40:36.158 --> 01:40:36.637
Oh, interesting.

01:40:36.847 --> 01:40:37.988
And she was a server there.

01:40:37.988 --> 01:40:38.587
And I'm like, wow.

01:40:39.757 --> 01:40:41.018
I'm like, oh, there's Rachel Waste.

01:40:41.018 --> 01:40:42.427
No, it's, her name's Natalia.

01:40:42.997 --> 01:40:43.448
What?

01:40:43.537 --> 01:40:45.542
And, and, uh, I was there for a month.

01:40:46.627 --> 01:40:47.768
Obviously nothing happened.

01:40:47.768 --> 01:40:50.228
But on the last day I said, Hey, I have to go back to Denver.

01:40:50.228 --> 01:40:51.547
It was really nice meeting you.

01:40:51.637 --> 01:41:01.087
And she tells me to this day, she goes, it made me sad when you said that I, we saw a lot of manager and trainings come through, but when you told me that you were leaving, it bothered me too.

01:41:01.087 --> 01:41:01.387
And I

01:41:01.387 --> 01:41:02.408
Oh, so she was out there, not in

01:41:02.467 --> 01:41:02.797
Denver.

01:41:02.797 --> 01:41:02.807
Yeah.

01:41:02.858 --> 01:41:04.087
Yeah, this was in San France.

01:41:04.087 --> 01:41:06.427
So she would transfer out two years later.

01:41:06.488 --> 01:41:07.118
Oh, wow.

01:41:07.177 --> 01:41:13.118
And our financial assistant says, uh uh, Hey Johnny, do you remember a girl named Natalia Ava?

01:41:13.118 --> 01:41:14.948
I'm like, no, I don't.

01:41:14.948 --> 01:41:18.967
I'm, she goes, well, she remembers you, uh, during the manager train.

01:41:18.967 --> 01:41:19.688
I'm like, oh, okay.

01:41:19.688 --> 01:41:21.637
She, well, she's gonna be here tomorrow.

01:41:21.667 --> 01:41:22.568
I'm like, okay, great.

01:41:22.568 --> 01:41:24.337
So I'm doing the shift the next day.

01:41:24.337 --> 01:41:24.547
Did you see

01:41:24.547 --> 01:41:24.608
her?

01:41:24.608 --> 01:41:24.967
You're like,

01:41:25.177 --> 01:41:25.988
oh, PJ calls.

01:41:25.988 --> 01:41:28.177
I go upstairs that Natalia, and she turns around.

01:41:28.177 --> 01:41:28.988
I'm like, oh shit.

01:41:30.962 --> 01:41:32.377
I am, I am so screwed.

01:41:32.377 --> 01:41:32.917
That's cool.

01:41:33.068 --> 01:41:35.768
And uh, so it was.

01:41:36.097 --> 01:41:38.167
We actually stayed away from each other.

01:41:38.167 --> 01:41:41.707
And it was weird because it's like two magnets that are trying to stick.

01:41:41.707 --> 01:41:41.768
Yeah.

01:41:41.797 --> 01:41:45.938
They know they want to, but they're, when they're both positive, it doesn't work.

01:41:46.417 --> 01:41:52.028
I spent two years getting to know her as a worker and I got to know her.

01:41:52.028 --> 01:41:55.328
I really, truly, we became friends, coworkers.

01:41:55.328 --> 01:41:55.387
Yeah.

01:41:55.387 --> 01:41:57.097
Like I just respected her work

01:41:57.097 --> 01:41:59.018
and meanwhile she rebuffed like all the other boys.

01:41:59.047 --> 01:41:59.797
'cause she had a crush on

01:42:00.278 --> 01:42:00.408
her manager.

01:42:00.408 --> 01:42:00.582
She did.

01:42:00.582 --> 01:42:01.688
And I thought that was interesting.

01:42:01.688 --> 01:42:02.887
And I started to see that.

01:42:02.887 --> 01:42:08.887
And then, uh, yeah, finally, uh, the hike, you know, for, uh, veil happened.

01:42:08.917 --> 01:42:12.158
And I am like, I've never had a girl ask me out, ever.

01:42:12.247 --> 01:42:19.507
I, which is funny, uh, you'd think, but she asked me out and I, you know, for the drink and I said, no, we can't do that.

01:42:19.537 --> 01:42:22.268
And, uh, we had a conversation.

01:42:22.268 --> 01:42:25.177
She just said, well, you know, one of us has to leave.

01:42:25.358 --> 01:42:25.467
Then I quit.

01:42:25.467 --> 01:42:25.837
Yeah, I quit.

01:42:25.837 --> 01:42:26.917
I'm like, okay, great.

01:42:27.068 --> 01:42:27.818
It's on.

01:42:28.057 --> 01:42:28.568
That's cool.

01:42:28.597 --> 01:42:31.957
And uh, it's, it's been great ever since.

01:42:31.957 --> 01:42:35.557
But when we decided to move to Fort Collins, it was because of the schools.

01:42:35.557 --> 01:42:37.568
We wanted Olivia to be in a great school.

01:42:38.047 --> 01:42:39.667
Uh, the crime was low.

01:42:39.757 --> 01:42:46.898
And just, I remember the vibe of Fort Collins when I'd been up here many times before and it just has a very special feel.

01:42:47.797 --> 01:42:51.997
And it was very similar to Eugene and Springfield and Oregon.

01:42:52.028 --> 01:42:53.318
You know, you have U of O.

01:42:53.707 --> 01:42:58.747
And then you have blue collar, you know, you have educated, you have, you know, non-educated.

01:42:58.747 --> 01:43:01.837
It, it's just, it was a, a similarity in population.

01:43:02.438 --> 01:43:04.417
Um, and it was outside of Denver.

01:43:04.417 --> 01:43:04.478
Yeah.

01:43:04.537 --> 01:43:06.097
And so we said, let's try it.

01:43:06.097 --> 01:43:13.118
So when we moved, I actually got, had got promoted with Lowe's at that time I was working at Lowe's out there as a smaller store.

01:43:13.148 --> 01:43:15.997
Got the promotion to the hundred four and fourth location.

01:43:16.597 --> 01:43:17.707
They were gigantic.

01:43:17.797 --> 01:43:18.938
A flagship store, run a

01:43:18.938 --> 01:43:19.448
big shop,

01:43:19.448 --> 01:43:23.287
144,000 square feet during COVID.

01:43:23.887 --> 01:43:24.757
You want to tell

01:43:24.757 --> 01:43:26.438
selling building supplies like crazy.

01:43:26.467 --> 01:43:30.127
Dude, it was like day one as a manager all over again.

01:43:30.127 --> 01:43:31.422
You're like, you thought you knew what to do

01:43:31.443 --> 01:43:33.578
and people quitting and not showing up.

01:43:33.582 --> 01:43:33.743
Yeah.

01:43:33.762 --> 01:43:33.983
And

01:43:34.238 --> 01:43:34.537
yeah.

01:43:34.597 --> 01:43:35.948
Oh, I got, what's that?

01:43:36.007 --> 01:43:36.398
What was it?

01:43:36.488 --> 01:43:37.537
Oh, fun employment.

01:43:37.868 --> 01:43:38.167
Yeah,

01:43:38.287 --> 01:43:40.658
the fun employment was super fun for employers.

01:43:40.837 --> 01:43:41.438
Yeah.

01:43:41.523 --> 01:43:45.158
You, uh, because you're a roommate, you can call out for two weeks Right.

01:43:45.158 --> 01:43:49.358
Of someone who had COVID and, and I'm not taking anything against people who truly had COVID I and didn't get

01:43:49.358 --> 01:43:49.837
paid for it.

01:43:49.837 --> 01:43:50.318
That's right.

01:43:50.323 --> 01:43:50.422
Right.

01:43:50.467 --> 01:43:50.618
Yeah.

01:43:50.648 --> 01:43:58.297
But as a manager, I, if you have 200 people in a building, you're now hiring 20% of your staff just to cover the people who are sick.

01:43:58.328 --> 01:44:05.347
Well, and how can I possibly validate whether or not your roommate actually got COVID or not?

01:44:05.467 --> 01:44:05.648
Yeah.

01:44:05.648 --> 01:44:05.978
You can't.

01:44:05.978 --> 01:44:06.097
I have

01:44:06.097 --> 01:44:06.667
no idea.

01:44:06.698 --> 01:44:06.967
No,

01:44:06.967 --> 01:44:08.018
I have to take a word for it.

01:44:08.047 --> 01:44:08.167
Yeah.

01:44:08.167 --> 01:44:11.198
Because it would be like racism or something to not take your word for it.

01:44:11.662 --> 01:44:14.033
It tried my patience for sure.

01:44:14.033 --> 01:44:14.042
Sure.

01:44:14.092 --> 01:44:17.512
But I also, it sharpened my sword as a manager.

01:44:17.512 --> 01:44:17.523
Sure.

01:44:17.523 --> 01:44:27.743
As a leader, you, you had to make, uh, on the spot decisions you have CDC sending in a letter saying, okay, here's your permission slip to be on I 25.

01:44:27.893 --> 01:44:27.983
Right.

01:44:27.983 --> 01:44:30.007
So when the police pull you over, yeah.

01:44:30.007 --> 01:44:33.472
You can say you are a store of need because you sell toilet paper.

01:44:33.773 --> 01:44:34.012
Right.

01:44:34.042 --> 01:44:35.302
Like, this is crazy.

01:44:35.332 --> 01:44:35.393
So

01:44:35.393 --> 01:44:35.603
fucking

01:44:35.603 --> 01:44:35.722
wacka dude.

01:44:35.722 --> 01:44:38.002
Freaking apocalypse right after that happened.

01:44:38.002 --> 01:44:38.302
Right.

01:44:38.302 --> 01:44:38.512
So

01:44:38.722 --> 01:44:41.662
Jill and I were hiking, we were hiking a lot of those times.

01:44:41.662 --> 01:44:44.962
Like we were in a big hiking phase before that, like starting that January.

01:44:44.993 --> 01:44:45.443
Right, right.

01:44:45.592 --> 01:44:54.922
And the number of days that we would go out and it was like us and the Amazon people and that was it in the, in the driving on the roads and stuff.

01:44:55.222 --> 01:44:55.643
It was like,

01:44:56.122 --> 01:44:56.542
yeah.

01:44:56.557 --> 01:44:56.778
It

01:44:57.023 --> 01:44:58.493
weird I a hiking trail.

01:44:58.762 --> 01:44:59.182
Yeah.

01:44:59.188 --> 01:44:59.497
It was it,

01:44:59.518 --> 01:45:00.443
and it was just me.

01:45:00.443 --> 01:45:03.052
Us and Amazon that get to go would be outside.

01:45:03.052 --> 01:45:04.012
I mean, a few more, but

01:45:04.132 --> 01:45:04.853
yeah, it was,

01:45:04.853 --> 01:45:05.993
it was lonely neighborhoods.

01:45:05.993 --> 01:45:06.472
Sometimes

01:45:06.502 --> 01:45:07.132
it was weird.

01:45:07.162 --> 01:45:16.012
And when you had to have a counter of, you could only let 20 people in at a time for an hour because of the square footage calculation.

01:45:16.012 --> 01:45:19.823
CDC would say you could only have one person for 100 square feet.

01:45:19.823 --> 01:45:21.472
Sorry, your story's gigantic.

01:45:21.472 --> 01:45:21.563
But

01:45:21.563 --> 01:45:21.863
yeah.

01:45:21.922 --> 01:45:22.912
So I've got time

01:45:22.912 --> 01:45:23.002
to

01:45:23.002 --> 01:45:23.632
spread out.

01:45:23.662 --> 01:45:23.932
Right.

01:45:23.932 --> 01:45:29.122
So my job was to be the joker, the entertainer outside and say, okay, next person in, you know.

01:45:29.122 --> 01:45:29.153
Oh

01:45:29.153 --> 01:45:29.512
gosh.

01:45:29.872 --> 01:45:35.243
Uh, and you have people outside waiting for an hour to, to get in and it's like, you know what?

01:45:35.243 --> 01:45:37.672
My job was to make the experience.

01:45:37.943 --> 01:45:38.002
Yeah.

01:45:38.002 --> 01:45:38.662
An experience.

01:45:38.662 --> 01:45:40.582
And so you learn as a manager, as a leader.

01:45:40.988 --> 01:45:42.912
How to make the staff inside happy and

01:45:42.993 --> 01:45:43.472
customers

01:45:43.472 --> 01:45:43.592
happy.

01:45:43.592 --> 01:45:43.632
Well, like some host

01:45:43.868 --> 01:45:54.127
hosts or hostesses can say, sorry, sir, but there's a, um, one hour wait before you can get a table and make it sound like a privilege.

01:45:54.278 --> 01:45:54.608
Yeah.

01:45:54.698 --> 01:45:56.677
And others can be like, sorry, it's an hour.

01:45:56.677 --> 01:45:58.118
Wait, what do you want?

01:45:58.898 --> 01:45:59.948
You wanna be on the list or not?

01:46:00.247 --> 01:46:00.578
Yeah.

01:46:00.608 --> 01:46:01.148
And it's, and

01:46:01.148 --> 01:46:01.837
I, I don't really care.

01:46:01.898 --> 01:46:04.328
I don't really, I would prefer you not be here.

01:46:04.568 --> 01:46:08.587
And I, I just talked to an old boss of mine who was in charge of that building.

01:46:08.618 --> 01:46:10.118
She's now a district manager.

01:46:10.118 --> 01:46:11.438
Her name is Kim Seamer.

01:46:11.707 --> 01:46:15.698
Uh, so she, she goes, Johnny, I was just talking about you the other day.

01:46:16.118 --> 01:46:16.778
I go, really?

01:46:16.778 --> 01:46:17.257
She goes, yeah.

01:46:17.257 --> 01:46:27.518
I was telling the staff how positive you can make an experience and I used you as an example during COVID when you had to hold 200 people in life trying to entertain these folks for an hour.

01:46:27.518 --> 01:46:27.847
Right.

01:46:27.847 --> 01:46:28.747
And it's like, you know what?

01:46:28.747 --> 01:46:29.797
It's all a mindset.

01:46:29.828 --> 01:46:33.728
And so that is one of my keynotes that I talk about all the time.

01:46:33.728 --> 01:46:43.778
And it, whenever hired mindset is key to anything in life, uh, whether it's a job, uh, relationship, uh, anything.

01:46:43.868 --> 01:46:51.007
Uh, if, if your mindset is correct and you choose the right path, everything intentionally seems to work out.

01:46:51.728 --> 01:46:57.247
If you have the wrong, if you have the glass is half empty, which a lot of people do.

01:46:58.643 --> 01:47:00.653
It is really tough to make it through a day.

01:47:00.682 --> 01:47:00.802
Yeah.

01:47:00.802 --> 01:47:06.983
And it's like, why if you're gonna be at a job for eight to 10 hours, why not make it the best that it can possibly be?

01:47:07.252 --> 01:47:14.033
And that was, uh, I feel like my gift that I felt like I could give to people was, uh, yeah.

01:47:14.122 --> 01:47:14.993
Hold on, hold on.

01:47:14.993 --> 01:47:19.162
We, we are actually entering into our, the, the final segment is the local experience.

01:47:19.167 --> 01:47:19.417
Sure, sure.

01:47:19.417 --> 01:47:20.332
But before we do that,

01:47:20.332 --> 01:47:20.662
sure.

01:47:20.783 --> 01:47:23.903
I wanna give a shout out to Seed and Spirit Distillery.

01:47:24.653 --> 01:47:26.813
Me and Johnny been drinking the Wizz Cal.

01:47:26.872 --> 01:47:27.382
Love it

01:47:27.412 --> 01:47:28.853
this evening and enjoying it.

01:47:28.882 --> 01:47:29.393
Yes.

01:47:29.393 --> 01:47:33.172
And so before we go into the local experience, you have two choices.

01:47:33.412 --> 01:47:33.592
Ooh.

01:47:33.622 --> 01:47:35.063
Uh, and we don't need that big glass.

01:47:35.092 --> 01:47:35.122
Okay.

01:47:35.122 --> 01:47:36.203
Because we're gonna do shooters.

01:47:36.743 --> 01:47:36.922
Oh my God.

01:47:37.252 --> 01:47:42.893
Um, so you could either have a, a, a shot or a, a weed ram if you prefer a Okay.

01:47:43.158 --> 01:47:43.762
Wizz cal.

01:47:43.882 --> 01:47:44.243
Okay.

01:47:44.302 --> 01:47:57.472
Or a sipper from the infinity bottle, which is probably 10% gin, 40% bourbon, 30% tequila, 8% whiz Cal.

01:47:57.533 --> 01:47:58.162
Wow.

01:47:58.432 --> 01:47:59.903
I think I want to, I want to,

01:48:00.082 --> 01:48:01.853
you wanna sample the infinity bottle?

01:48:01.882 --> 01:48:03.233
I want to play for a hundred.

01:48:03.412 --> 01:48:03.622
Okay.

01:48:04.523 --> 01:48:05.212
That's what we'll do.

01:48:05.332 --> 01:48:08.903
We'll just do, uh, do a nice little Wera,

01:48:09.172 --> 01:48:09.292
I

01:48:09.292 --> 01:48:09.773
love it.

01:48:10.162 --> 01:48:11.033
Of each of these.

01:48:11.033 --> 01:48:14.243
And then the next segment is our close.

01:48:14.243 --> 01:48:14.483
Oops.

01:48:14.483 --> 01:48:14.783
Okay.

01:48:14.783 --> 01:48:15.863
That's more than a weed ram.

01:48:15.863 --> 01:48:16.552
Sorry about that.

01:48:16.882 --> 01:48:17.962
I can take that one if you want.

01:48:17.962 --> 01:48:18.773
I'm closer to home.

01:48:19.493 --> 01:48:19.672
Oops.

01:48:19.672 --> 01:48:20.603
That one's the same size.

01:48:20.693 --> 01:48:21.082
It's all good.

01:48:23.587 --> 01:48:25.387
And, uh, salute to you.

01:48:25.387 --> 01:48:26.018
Johnny Pel.

01:48:26.078 --> 01:48:27.127
Salute to you, sir.

01:48:27.188 --> 01:48:27.908
Ker bear.

01:48:28.658 --> 01:48:29.587
Amazing individual.

01:48:29.587 --> 01:48:31.177
Looking forward to the next, uh, chapter.

01:48:31.207 --> 01:48:31.688
Likewise.

01:48:32.528 --> 01:48:33.007
Hmm.

01:48:34.537 --> 01:48:35.377
Tasting notes.

01:48:39.278 --> 01:48:40.358
It kind of works.

01:48:41.108 --> 01:48:41.493
Yeah, it does.

01:48:44.587 --> 01:48:47.047
I feel like Godzilla, I feel like I could breathe some

01:48:47.047 --> 01:48:47.387
fire right now.

01:48:47.387 --> 01:48:49.238
Let's rip the top off of this building right now.

01:48:52.688 --> 01:48:53.557
Write the light up.

01:48:53.618 --> 01:48:55.627
Uh, light up shells.

01:48:55.837 --> 01:48:56.557
It's Godzilla.

01:48:57.007 --> 01:48:57.877
It's Godzilla.

01:48:58.328 --> 01:48:59.018
Zebra.

01:48:59.528 --> 01:49:03.938
You can't say LS when you're imitating.

01:49:03.938 --> 01:49:04.448
That's right.

01:49:04.448 --> 01:49:04.467
That's right.

01:49:04.467 --> 01:49:05.412
Chinese people, Japanese people.

01:49:05.412 --> 01:49:05.422
That's

01:49:05.573 --> 01:49:06.247
please, please forgive me.

01:49:07.087 --> 01:49:07.837
She, Ray.

01:49:10.177 --> 01:49:15.757
So the, uh, the, the final segment is our loco experience.

01:49:15.787 --> 01:49:16.148
Okay.

01:49:16.207 --> 01:49:22.268
And that's the craziest experience that you're willing to share with your potential future customers.

01:49:22.268 --> 01:49:29.108
Your wife and daughter will listen to this, but we're looking for something that's a little bit Loko.

01:50:13.073 --> 01:50:13.643
Okay.

01:50:13.733 --> 01:50:14.363
Um,

01:50:14.658 --> 01:50:15.198
and I think you

01:50:15.278 --> 01:50:18.323
probably have, is it something I chose to do or something that happened to be by accident?

01:50:18.323 --> 01:50:18.773
Hmm.

01:50:21.743 --> 01:50:25.283
You know, most of the terrible things that have happened to me, I've done to myself.

01:50:26.332 --> 01:50:27.382
But okay.

01:50:27.382 --> 01:50:34.762
Um, if something, you know happened to you and it deserves a ranking in this setting that's worthy as well.

01:50:34.823 --> 01:50:39.467
Well, I'll just make it, I'll make it quick on the, I'll, I'll do two quick ones.

01:50:39.467 --> 01:50:39.707
I'll

01:50:39.707 --> 01:50:41.092
put the Wizz cow back up on the table here.

01:50:41.092 --> 01:50:41.273
You get,

01:50:41.542 --> 01:50:43.462
uh, wow.

01:50:43.493 --> 01:50:54.653
So, uh, mistake number one not to make, and I, I give this to any, I tell any father, any person who's trying not to wake somebody else up.

01:50:55.403 --> 01:51:14.153
When you are up in the middle of the night and you have a sleeping baby, and you have a dog who wakes up, uh, at any moment if you're trying to be as quiet as you can and it's early in the morning and you're trying to get ready for work, make sure that you grab the right tube in your bathroom.

01:51:14.212 --> 01:51:15.712
What I mean by that is.

01:51:17.363 --> 01:51:22.372
Instead of grabbing toothpaste, I grabbed a tube of ice hot

01:51:22.403 --> 01:51:22.712
iic hot.

01:51:22.712 --> 01:51:22.733
Oh, okay.

01:51:22.733 --> 01:51:22.792
I

01:51:22.792 --> 01:51:23.092
was thinking

01:51:23.092 --> 01:51:23.603
preparation

01:51:23.603 --> 01:51:34.792
H but yeah, no, and, and I, I had put that on my toothbrush and I put it in my mouth, and I have never screamed higher than any in the history of time.

01:51:35.033 --> 01:51:36.172
It hurt so bad.

01:51:36.172 --> 01:51:40.342
It took almost an hour to get that burn off of my tongue.

01:51:40.403 --> 01:51:43.313
And it was, it was, it was, it was inflamed.

01:51:43.313 --> 01:51:44.542
My mouth was inflamed.

01:51:44.542 --> 01:51:50.002
And so my, my lesson to you is please keep the icy hot away from the toothpaste.

01:51:51.052 --> 01:51:51.472
Okay.

01:51:51.953 --> 01:51:53.722
That is a crazy experience.

01:51:55.523 --> 01:51:55.582
So.

01:51:55.957 --> 01:51:56.618
Yeah.

01:51:56.768 --> 01:51:57.007
Yeah.

01:51:57.007 --> 01:51:57.667
That's number one.

01:51:57.667 --> 01:52:00.667
Then number two is just what every teenager does.

01:52:00.698 --> 01:52:07.297
Um, you either strip or streak through high school naked with a mask on, which is what I did.

01:52:07.297 --> 01:52:07.658
And I was, this

01:52:07.658 --> 01:52:08.738
is in San Francisco, I guess.

01:52:08.738 --> 01:52:11.408
Yeah, Nevada, which I was the fastest and I didn't get caught.

01:52:11.408 --> 01:52:20.557
So if that, if that student faculty is hearing this now, I'm officially the one who finally got caught, but I was the only one who didn't get caught'cause I was the fastest to run away.

01:52:21.457 --> 01:52:22.927
So you successfully straight

01:52:23.528 --> 01:52:23.728
through your high school?

01:52:23.728 --> 01:52:24.158
I successfully one, yeah.

01:52:24.158 --> 01:52:27.908
There was eight of us and I was the only one that didn't get caught and they didn't rat me out.

01:52:27.908 --> 01:52:29.287
And it's because I was fast.

01:52:29.287 --> 01:52:29.858
I was really fast.

01:52:29.858 --> 01:52:29.978
That's

01:52:29.978 --> 01:52:30.578
impressive.

01:52:30.637 --> 01:52:31.807
Um, yeah.

01:52:31.868 --> 01:52:32.948
So that's it.

01:52:32.948 --> 01:52:34.328
Did you, you didn't do any sports?

01:52:34.358 --> 01:52:34.807
I did.

01:52:34.837 --> 01:52:35.347
I did.

01:52:35.347 --> 01:52:35.358
Okay.

01:52:35.358 --> 01:52:36.337
I did, we didn't talk about that much.

01:52:36.398 --> 01:52:39.007
I did track, but I switched, uh, immediately.

01:52:39.007 --> 01:52:40.688
I actually had a, a scholarship.

01:52:40.688 --> 01:52:41.587
I like the drumming.

01:52:42.188 --> 01:52:43.988
I do, I like to beat on drums.

01:52:43.988 --> 01:52:45.247
I like to beat on drums.

01:52:45.488 --> 01:52:52.177
No, it was, uh, I had a, I wasn't good in school, but my track and field abilities were amazing.

01:52:52.177 --> 01:52:56.257
So I had University of Puget Sound send me a full ride.

01:52:56.618 --> 01:52:56.917
Yeah.

01:52:56.917 --> 01:52:59.137
And it was the only offer I had.

01:52:59.137 --> 01:53:00.818
And my mom's like, you gotta take this.

01:53:01.118 --> 01:53:02.318
You're stupid if you don't.

01:53:02.677 --> 01:53:02.738
Yeah.

01:53:02.738 --> 01:53:06.337
And I, and I didn't take it and I, I chose music and you know what I.

01:53:06.832 --> 01:53:12.472
Sometimes think about it, but I don't regret my choice because music was my, was my avenue.

01:53:12.773 --> 01:53:13.073
Yeah.

01:53:13.403 --> 01:53:14.063
That's really cool.

01:53:14.302 --> 01:53:14.483
Yeah.

01:53:14.512 --> 01:53:15.502
What was your event?

01:53:15.682 --> 01:53:16.972
Were you a sprinter or a,

01:53:17.002 --> 01:53:18.097
uh, long, long fire.

01:53:18.097 --> 01:53:18.108
Yeah.

01:53:18.108 --> 01:53:19.733
More short distance for sure.

01:53:19.733 --> 01:53:20.512
And hurdles.

01:53:20.512 --> 01:53:20.573
200,

01:53:20.578 --> 01:53:20.932
400?

01:53:20.932 --> 01:53:21.292
Yeah.

01:53:21.292 --> 01:53:23.063
I did everything except pole vault.

01:53:23.063 --> 01:53:24.983
I could not pull vault to save my life.

01:53:25.103 --> 01:53:25.643
That's too scary.

01:53:25.643 --> 01:53:27.172
And shot put, I couldn't do that either.

01:53:27.172 --> 01:53:27.382
Well,

01:53:27.382 --> 01:53:27.563
that's

01:53:27.563 --> 01:53:27.802
for

01:53:27.802 --> 01:53:28.432
bigger muscle people.

01:53:28.432 --> 01:53:32.422
Yeah, I'm, I'm just, I so picture six one, but 150 pounds.

01:53:32.453 --> 01:53:33.292
I was fast.

01:53:33.292 --> 01:53:34.672
I ran, ran like a bird.

01:53:35.422 --> 01:53:37.943
And, uh, my daughter has the genetics now.

01:53:37.943 --> 01:53:40.943
She is 11 years old, five feet tall.

01:53:40.943 --> 01:53:43.238
And she is super fast.

01:53:43.238 --> 01:53:43.247
Smoking

01:53:43.247 --> 01:53:43.613
fast.

01:53:43.943 --> 01:53:46.283
Oh, I can't wait to see when she gets older

01:53:46.613 --> 01:53:54.743
for people listening to this and they're like, you know what, that Johnny PLE guy, I, I think I need me some PLE plan in my life.

01:53:55.672 --> 01:53:59.693
Um, would you like to share your website or, uh, LinkedIn profile or anything?

01:53:59.693 --> 01:53:59.842
Sure.

01:53:59.842 --> 01:54:00.113
Yeah.

01:54:00.292 --> 01:54:00.592
You, yeah.

01:54:00.743 --> 01:54:04.283
It's uh, uh, resonate@johnnyfle.com.

01:54:04.493 --> 01:54:06.233
Uh, you can find me on there.

01:54:06.262 --> 01:54:08.453
My Google business page is on there.

01:54:08.453 --> 01:54:10.792
My webpage, uh, it's all there for you.

01:54:10.792 --> 01:54:14.212
LinkedIn, it is resonate@johnnyfle.com.

01:54:14.813 --> 01:54:16.193
Um, it's all there.

01:54:16.193 --> 01:54:18.622
I'm, I, I really am interactive.

01:54:18.653 --> 01:54:21.802
I answer everybody's comments.

01:54:21.802 --> 01:54:34.943
I am very more giving than I receive, meaning I comment and I'm engaged in everybody's posts that are positive and that are actually meaningful.

01:54:35.287 --> 01:54:36.247
In leadership.

01:54:36.247 --> 01:54:37.898
I don't just say, Hey, great.

01:54:37.898 --> 01:54:42.518
You know, I, I really get into the true leaders that are out there.

01:54:42.578 --> 01:54:48.007
There's some amazing ones that are, are in my sphere that I constantly learn from.

01:54:48.518 --> 01:54:57.518
Um, I never claim to be an expert, but what I will say is that, again, if you're surrounding yourself around other good leaders, you learn from them.

01:54:57.518 --> 01:54:59.228
You, you're influenced by them.

01:54:59.228 --> 01:55:04.207
And, uh, in my case, they, they happen to say the same thing about me, but, which is great.

01:55:04.868 --> 01:55:11.137
But again, I've got a great team of people around me who believe in me, uh, believe in the message.

01:55:11.228 --> 01:55:14.018
Uh, and the message is just pure and simple.

01:55:14.018 --> 01:55:21.037
It is to inspire and make people better, uh, to their best abilities.

01:55:21.518 --> 01:55:34.658
Well, and what I think we explored today a little bit was if you're a leader and, and you're, you want to connect better to those front lines and inspire them to the things and want to be there, Johnny might be your guy.

01:55:35.438 --> 01:55:35.828
Yeah.

01:55:35.858 --> 01:55:41.377
I'm not everybody's flavor, but I am very, I can, I can influence for sure.

01:55:41.408 --> 01:55:42.427
One last question.

01:55:42.728 --> 01:55:43.028
Sure.

01:55:43.268 --> 01:55:47.377
One ice cream flavor only for the rest of your life.

01:55:47.797 --> 01:55:47.828
Oh.

01:55:49.792 --> 01:55:50.012
Ooh.

01:55:50.978 --> 01:55:54.908
Uh ooh.

01:55:55.927 --> 01:55:56.497
That's tough.

01:55:59.768 --> 01:56:01.207
Can I make it seasonality?

01:56:01.537 --> 01:56:01.807
Nope.

01:56:01.868 --> 01:56:02.797
Or it just has to be one.

01:56:02.802 --> 01:56:02.993
Just one.

01:56:02.997 --> 01:56:03.307
Okay.

01:56:03.337 --> 01:56:03.457
Yeah.

01:56:03.488 --> 01:56:04.627
Uh, it's gotta be cookie dough.

01:56:05.108 --> 01:56:05.438
Okay.

01:56:05.497 --> 01:56:11.557
Yeah, it's gotta be cookie dough because I always love that little chunk of cookie dough in there.

01:56:11.587 --> 01:56:13.363
It's just, I take it, I take it.

01:56:13.688 --> 01:56:15.188
It's a, it's a beautiful thing.

01:56:15.247 --> 01:56:18.127
Uh, but, you know, uh, I gotta throw this in there.

01:56:18.127 --> 01:56:24.247
The, uh, Mexican chocolate by Trader Joe's or the Pumpkin Spice, those two rock as well.

01:56:25.778 --> 01:56:27.398
Anything from Cherry Garcia?

01:56:27.908 --> 01:56:27.948
I thought I

01:56:27.948 --> 01:56:28.268
was gonna

01:56:28.268 --> 01:56:29.137
say Cherry Garcia.

01:56:30.127 --> 01:56:30.967
I love ice cream.

01:56:31.328 --> 01:56:33.007
See that Bob Weir doesn't have an ice cream?

01:56:33.307 --> 01:56:35.528
Yeah, we would, we would give you kudos right now.

01:56:35.677 --> 01:56:36.007
Oh.

01:56:36.007 --> 01:56:43.807
And you know, John Silverstein, good friend of mine, is a gigantic deadhead, uh, one of the biggest I I've ever met.

01:56:43.807 --> 01:56:50.438
And he has really helped me appreciate the Grateful Dead for what they are and, uh, to lose Bob Weir.

01:56:51.007 --> 01:57:00.217
Doesn't matter what your fan club is, what genre of music, uh, we lost a gigantic, gigantic person in the industry.

01:57:00.217 --> 01:57:01.837
He was just an amazing individual.

01:57:02.858 --> 01:57:03.127
Yeah.

01:57:03.247 --> 01:57:03.938
Salute to Bob Weir.

01:57:04.028 --> 01:57:04.627
To Greenland.

01:57:05.137 --> 01:57:05.738
To Greenland.

01:57:07.568 --> 01:57:07.898
Alright.

01:57:08.108 --> 01:57:08.528
Let's call it.

01:57:08.648 --> 01:57:09.307
Thank you, Kurt.

01:57:09.307 --> 01:57:09.787
Cheers for now.

01:57:10.148 --> 01:57:10.478
Thank you.