Jan. 10, 2026

EXPERIENCE 252 | Big Bears in the House! - A Conversation with John Palke, Owner of BBP Realty, Partner in Big Bear Properties, and a Lender with Edge Home Finance

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John Palke and I were introduced at a Realities for Children event some months back, and when we finally enjoyed a coffee together, I knew he had a story that I had to dig into and share! In real estate since 2019, John had previously been a commercial fisherman in Alaska (where he once fell in the water and nearly froze to death), was a partner in one of my favorite band bars, Hodi’s Half Note, and worked in operations at Vestas - until he realized giant windmills were a mostly a heavily subsidized boondoggle.  

After getting into real estate with a name-brand firm, John became a partner in a property management business, Big Bear Properties.  During the refi boom, he referred a full-time income worth of mortgages to a friend - who  encouraged to become a licensed mortgage broker - allowing him to provide full-service real estate for investors - or a la carte for anyone!   In 2025, he decided to go his own way in real estate, founding BBP Realty almost exactly a year from when this episode was released. 

John’s a great storyteller, and I enjoyed every bit of this conversation - and I think you will too.  So please join me in getting to know and love my new friend John Palke.  


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welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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I'm here today with John Polke.

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John is the owner of BBP Realty Big Bear Property Management, and a lender with Edge Home Finance.

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Hello everybody.

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Welcome John.

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Hi.

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You have a nice radio voice.

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I

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practiced a bit.

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Did you, were you like practicing in front of the mirror and stuff?

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Like how did

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Uh, no, I didn't practice.

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I didn't practice this time.

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Oh.

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Just over the years.

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Like you got a lot of time in front of a microphone too.

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I have, yeah.

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Uh, through various different things, but, well, we can talk about it.

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I took a, uh, I took a radio broadcasting class one time.

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Okay.

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And I failed it.

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Um,'cause I,

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for lack of

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attendance.

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For lack of attendance.

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Yeah.

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Seems like how you would I took a roots of American popular music class, uh, toward the end of my collegiate career.

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Um, got an a, I think, I don't know, pretty good anyway.

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'cause I thought it was really interesting.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Totally.

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That sounds, that sounds the cultural appropriation.

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Um, like they celebrated it at the time, like it came from black culture and, you know, blues and all this and stuff.

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And

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stolen by many, many white Right.

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The Beatles.

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Elvis, all that.

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Elvis, yeah.

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Especially Elvis.

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He is.

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Probably the number one there in that regard.

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The king

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of theft of uh, right.

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Music.

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Well, and like, it never would've been amazing without so many more people working on that project.

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You know, like the seventies, even the eighties with some asterisk and the nineties rock and roll.

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Those are glory days of creativity.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think, I think all of my favorite music, my actual favorite music comes from yeah.

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Probably sixties through probably mid nineties.

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Yeah.

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And then they're a little bit in the late nineties if you go into like the new metal, but

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Right.

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Then it really starts to fall off.

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Yeah.

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Or it becomes all electronic in jam bands, or there's

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little spots here and there that are kind of cool.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But, but the, it was almost like an arms race.

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Yeah.

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Just like the Soviet Union and, and Russia or, and the USA were like competing for who could have the most big nuclear missiles and stuff like that for a while.

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What, between like Seattle and LA and Yeah, kind of.

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And just

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everywhere

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because it was like, LA was huge.

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Like everybody was trying to

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create the best music and then eventually the big production companies.

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And you know, there's only whatever, seven producers that basically own the most of the.

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Major label production anymore in the radio station, air airspace.

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If even that, I think one company actually owns'em all.

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Right.

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Right.

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And

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there's two companies that own all the radio stations now.

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Right.

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You know, and so they're the deciders of who gets the airtime, who gets to play.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and so you don't have that same kind of arms race, man, I saw of trying to make better music.

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You know, you wanna be famous, you would better make music as good as Led Zeppelin or damn near, oh shit, I better practice more.

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Those are pretty big boots.

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Well, whatever.

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Um, the, I saw a thing today that there are like three companies that own all of the music festivals too.

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Really?

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All of the major music festivals are owned by like, not surprising corporate things.

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And Yeah.

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So they're, they're talking about when that kind of falls apart, when the, well, no.

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Alright.

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When or if, when, when, when.

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Well, there's gonna be, you know, like they say, there's, there's gonna be a downturn in a lot of these things, especially in like the, uh, the economy.

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And then the economy will affect the music industry as a direct result.

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And then all of those companies.

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So it's a good time to, to stay indie and uh, just keep pushing forward like that.

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This is what they're saying.

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I was talking about that somebody this last week, I guess at some point, just that evolution of.

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Like it used to be you toured so you could sell CDs.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then in the span of just a few years, like the sale of CDs dried up into nothing.

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So you put on an album, so you had like an excuse to tour Right.

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And sell tickets so you could try to make some money.

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Yeah.

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Um, and, but that's, it's harder and harder to drag, you know, unless you're U2 or something.

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It's harder and harder to drag people out of their comfortable little houses with unlimited entertainment at the touch of a fingertip in their living room where they prefer to be.

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Yeah.

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Concerts are still selling out.

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It.

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They are just depends on who they are.

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Yeah.

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Um, but it's all owned

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by the same few

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folks.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah, totally.

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And so music was historically such an individually creative thing, or a few people would get together or whatever.

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Yeah.

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You know, and now it's kind of all coming through a few select pipelines.

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Right.

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It's being fed to you through Yeah, through ads and through, uh, reels and like Right.

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Social media and all the, like these stupid new channels that like they just pump all this crap at you and then you, you, you put it behind, you put this song behind your reel and then it spreads because of that.

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Yeah.

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And that's, and you got, like, they say that like any good song now you really only have to have like one minute max.

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Of like a good part of the song.

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Interesting.

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Because it's only gonna be used in the real, nobody heard more.

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Interesting.

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And then also attention span.

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People skip music so much.

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Oh, well.

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So, so this weekend my wife and I were watching like a name, the song by the intro

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mm-hmm.

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Of nineties music thing.

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And you had just a few seconds and you had to try to name the artist and the song.

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Wait,

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were you watching name that tune this weekend?

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Well, it wasn't name that tune, but it was a YouTube kind of thing.

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Right.

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Like similar.

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And we're hosting a student, Sarah from Italy, and, and then she came out for the last half of that, and then just kind of a less, more, uh, famous clip than the intro.

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And she was like, probably better than both of us.

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And she attributed it all to, um, TikTok.

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Yeah.

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And so is she watching TikTok but with other people, like singing along to these old classic nineties hits and stuff?

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Or how, what, how does she know All these seventies, eighties, nineties hits.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes even the artist and stuff, is it just a clip of them playing this song in concert for They do that 25

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seconds?

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There's a lot of that.

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So if you like follow like anybody in Instagram page, like you'll see, like they do a clip of their, they do a reel or they, they do a TikTok.

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Yeah.

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Is it called just a TikTok?

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I don't, I guess, I don't know.

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I've actually, I don't have a

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TikTok, so

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I had a TikTok and I tried to sign it.

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Somebody sent me something the other day and it said that I've been banned from TikTok.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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So, which is okay'cause it was like the third time that I've ever tried to sign into it.

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So if I'm, do you have an idea

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of why you got banned?

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Uh, no.

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I was probably drunk and I probably spouted off something.

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Who knows?

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Like, you recorded yourself, like those fucking, I don't know, people that wanna buy a house and they think they're gonna get a house in Fort Collins for less than$400,000.

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They might as well suck by.

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Yeah, it probably

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was something like that.

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It probably wasn't a real estate post, it was probably anti-establishment of some sort.

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I, uh, I had a reel that was anti-establishment the other day where I, I went on a motorcycle ride and I got my picture taken by another one of those cameras that light up, you know, right after the, the dangerous part of the road is, and when the road opens up and the speed limit should change.

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Mm-hmm.

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But then you get your picture taken because it hasn't changed

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yet.

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Yeah.

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So I parked my ambulance camper, like right behind that car for a couple of hours when I came back from a motorcycle ride.

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Just as a, as a bit of a protest.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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And there's a person sitting in that car the whole time.

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Oh, the whole time.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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I know.

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I see them in there and like it, it must a little, apparently they

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make enough money.

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Snapping people's pictures for speeding in a not dangerous area because the dangerous area just went, got done.

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'cause that's why I'm speeding up bitches.

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Uh, it's a little white to cover their salary.

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The little white

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Jeeps.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And speaking of TikTok, they're probably just sitting in there like watching, looking at social media, staring at social media

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media.

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And it's a company outta Arizona, I'm told, okay.

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That the city of Fort Collins contracts with to, I guess, raise revenue, but like how much is left after paying the insurance and depreciation on that SUV and this person's whatever,$25 or an hour wage for sitting in their fucking around on TikTok.

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I mean, and then the house in Arizona gets some of the money too, presumably.

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And then Fort Collins gets almost nothing but they squeeze our citizens for a bunch of money for not protecting public safety well, but

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when the money from the tickets go to our county, I guess, or the court here.

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But still

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it must, it must pencil out.

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So, not that

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I'm trying to defend that, but it

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must pencil out that Fort Collins makes some money.

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Right?

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But how much do they have to gross for Fort Collins to make money after paying for this truck, paying for this dumb woman to sit inside there looking all uncomfortable?

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'cause I'm parked my ambulance behind her.

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That's pretty

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awesome.

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Anyway, that's actually a pretty sweet move.

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'cause I've definitely thought about.

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Um, I've thought about taking my BB gun and just getting one little, one little hole in the window.

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When I got that ticket, when I got my one ticket from that, oh, I've got

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five in the last 12 months.

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Really?

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Yeah, because there's So they have them on

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Prospect or Yeah.

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No, on Shields just south of Prospect.

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Okay.

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After it opens up after Prospect, it's like, okay, now all the congestion from the campus has gone.

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Yeah.

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But they don't change the speed limit for another block and a half.

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It's kind of funny'cause like Right, and they put a camera

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right there before they change the speed limit

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on Taft.

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There's always a cop car sitting there.

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Like, it's like right in the same kind of area that you're talking about, just on Taft.

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Yeah.

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But there's always a cop car sitting there in front of the elementary school and everybody thinks that that's one of those cars.

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Right.

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But it's not.

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No, it's just a car parked car.

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It's, yeah, it's a parked car

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and that's okay.

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Yeah.

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I'm okay with that kind of deception, you know?

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Yeah.

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Like slow me down thinking I'm might be right.

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But these put snap in the photo.

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These intentional, put the photo picture right after the road opens up.

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And be slightly before the speed limit opens up.

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Yeah.

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It's so annoying.

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My wife loves, loves, loves to run Yellow Lights.

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And especially the ones at the intersection.

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I'm terrified.

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I'm

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terrified of running yellow lights.

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'cause I've gotten a few of those pictures too.

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Yeah.

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But I don't like'em, so anyway.

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Yeah, I don't, I actually, I don't run yellow lights just because I almost got into a big accident when I was like, when I was a teenager and I've, I've actually had a fear of them my whole life, so I hardly ever do it if I see such.

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So what she does

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it, when you're riding with her, you're like,

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honey, yeah.

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Well, no, we cover our faces and I put the, I put the, uh, the, you're putting the visors down the, the sun visor down.

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Like

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when I put the sun visors down, it means I'm very uncomfortable right now.

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But you're welcome.

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I do it every time.

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Like I'll do it, I'll do it in my truck.

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Like when I just, when I go through an intersection that I know has one, I'll do it anyways no matter what.

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I, I've, that's how you get outta tickets.

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If they can't see your face, you can say it's, you don't know it's me.

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Hmm.

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Well, I told my wife not to pay this last one and I had my advisor down on my black helmet.

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On my, yeah, well it wasn't me.

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I mean, yeah.

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It wasn't you.

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It wasn't me.

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It wasn't you.

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My friend borrowed my motorcycle Saturday morning last, and then he told me about this ticket bad.

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So I had to go park my ambulance behind.

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Yeah,

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he was, he was really irresponsible, that guy.

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Yeah, he, he was

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John.

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Uh, do you wanna tell.

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Uh, so, uh, what, what, what you're doing with the, you're, you're like a full services real estate guy.

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Yeah.

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For regular people, but also investors.

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'cause you can help'em get their loan, help'em manage that property and help'em find it.

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Yeah.

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Or sell it.

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So, uh, yeah.

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I, I've been working in real estate for, it's, uh, I think I'm, I think I'm next, I think in January I hit nine years.

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Okay.

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Eight or nine, honestly, I don't remember.

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I probably, did you

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start before you got outta ho's?

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Uh, yeah.

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No, I got, I started, I started a long time after that, so I actually sold out of ho's, uh, like

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Oh, it continued on without you for a while.

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10, yeah.

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11 years ago, something like that.

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Okay.

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And then when

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did ho's run until, do you remember

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It went until the pandemic, the COVID season?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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My ex partner Dan, he, um.

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He continued the business until,

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okay, COVID.

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Okay.

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So you, you sold out your, your stake in it, you had partners in it and then

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Yeah, he, he, he helped me to, uh, get myself a little bit healthy, healthier than I was.

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Okay.

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At that point.

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Yep.

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And, uh, I went back to school and then started into the wonderful, exciting world of sales.

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I started off actually selling cars for a little bit, and then I, uh, okay.

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Then I, uh, was getting my real estate license while I was working for Toyota, and, uh, yeah.

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So I, I started doing that.

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And then it seems you really like real estate though.

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I do.

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I love real estate.

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Yeah.

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Um, I mean, cars wasn't so fun.

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No.

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You know, in cars, like, even if you're working at like a good dealership, like you're still, you're hosing people.

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And I felt bad about some of the deals, and that's

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one thing about the kind of the flat 3% or 2% or whatever kind of pricing stuff.

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With real estate, it's like, here's the price.

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But in cars, the, the more you bend your customer over, the bigger your paycheck is.

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Mm-hmm.

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Every time.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, the more I help out my client in, in the real estate industry, like sure.

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If I'm working with a buyer and I get them a better deal, I might make a little bit less money.

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Right.

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But then they've got a story to tell.

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Right.

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And they'll tell

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two people.

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They do.

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And lifetime value of that client is way higher.

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Yeah.

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And that's so much better.

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And not to mention that, like it typically they're my friend.

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And I want my friends to get a really good deal and like, I want to help out people.

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And you, you know, you're in real estate, you're helping people far more than you are in cars.

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Right.

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And also there i I

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appreciable asset versus depreciable asset.

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Yeah.

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And I haven't really looked at,

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at like the full, like, stats on it, but like, I think a lot less people die in house accidents than they do in car accidents.

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So, you know, maybe it's a safer, safer industry to be in.

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So you started as kind of a, a real estate broker, regular everyday real estate broker.

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Yep.

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I started working for, for a flag company.

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I worked for Keller Williams.

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Okay.

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I started with'em, I was on a team.

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Um, the team thing wasn't really for me, mostly just'cause it was expensive.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, Keller Williams was an expensive brokerage to work for.

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You gotta almost

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pay them unless you sell a certain amount kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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There's a, there's a, there's a big time pay to play in real estate.

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Yeah.

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And that wasn't something that I was super into.

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It was great to be a part of like, you know, a big, you know, functioning hive of an office.

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Sure.

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But, um, then, uh, we had the opportunity to purchase Big Bear Properties, which is my, our property management company.

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Okay.

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That I own with, with a few other partners.

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Okay.

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Um, we had that opportunity, so I moved over, moved my license to that was using that as, we were using that as my real estate brokerage also.

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Oh, okay.

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And then we decided it was probably a good idea to have two separate, separate companies.

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Separate also, like, you know.

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Big bear properties on a sign is a really is a mouthful.

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Yeah.

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BBP just seemed like it was a little bit, yeah.

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I think how big your stickers would have to be.

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I know, right?

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So

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John is an unconventional, a free thinker, if you will.

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And uh, when I first met him at a Realities for Children event, I believe Craig introduced us, um, oh, we got a visual aid here.

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You had a visual aid.

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John Pauley, BBP Realty, and then his phone number, not even an email.

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So I'm putting his contact information into my CRM.

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I'm like, I don't even know, maybe he's got an email on his, uh, I do have your email now I wanna say,

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oh, you know, I left my wallet.

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I'm, but I think it's kind of cool.

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But I do have cards.

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I also have cards that have my email address and like all the other stuff, all the standard stuff, but I just don't like'em.

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I like these stickers.

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Well, and and in your world, like percentage of communications with your clients, the people that pay you that are via phone or via email?

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Uh, I, there's a, so there's a lot.

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Okay.

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So I guess kind of that, that's like

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contracts and things like that.

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Always get email.

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That's always email inspections, all that kind of stuff.

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All

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that stuff is all email.

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Yes.

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But when I go to networking events or when I hand somebody something, yeah.

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I don't want to get on their drip campaign, so.

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Oh, that's brilliant.

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I don't have my email address on that.

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All right.

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For, well, and also like a lot of times like I'll meet somebody.

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Um, you know, at a show or something like that, and they'll email me something about a property and then, you know, it goes into either spam or it goes into Right.

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You know, it goes into something where I don't see it too dangerous on the top of my thing,

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not catch it.

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And I don't want that to happen either.

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I was, I was running into that a lot.

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Okay.

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And so, yeah, so

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I like a, like I said, I like a free thinker where you're like, these are the, these are two things that annoy me.

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Yeah.

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Getting on somebody's drip campaign and also, uh, not seeing it when somebody's trying to catch my attention.

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Right.

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Well, and the other thing is, is, like I said, the third part is that somebody has to call me or text me and ask me for my email address.

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Yeah.

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Boom.

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There.

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You got'em.

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Plus you can stick it on water bottles.

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You can stick it on bathroom stalls.

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The bathroom stalls.

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That's my favorite place.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh, uh, or

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my sticker wall.

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Just the other side of here.

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Sticker

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wall on the other side.

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Um, the, uh, the poles that hold up, uh, ski lifts.

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Oh yeah.

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Are the poles that hold up strippers?

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No, they don't let'em stick.

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It's not slip.

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They don't, don't that on that.

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Plus yours are kind of

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high grip here.

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It's got kind satin finish.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I, I, I, I spent the big bucks on these ones.

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So,

00:18:12.961 --> 00:18:17.730
so, so you recently started BBP Realty, just to separate that real estate.

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And do you any, any staff at BBP Realty, or do you want to?

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Um, I've got sort of, I have, uh, I have another realtor.

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Uh, his name is Joseph r Pascal.

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Okay.

00:18:29.221 --> 00:18:33.750
Um, Joey Pascal, he, uh, is working with me.

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He's hanging his license.

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He's a new agent.

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Okay.

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Um, uh, great kid.

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Okay.

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Um, and did you look out searching for him or he met you somewhere?

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He is like, I'd sure love to be a part of your team, John.

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He,

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wait, I think he waited on me and my partner at the restaurant that he works at.

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Okay.

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Um, yeah.

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And, and my partner, actually my partner, uh, uh, Joe Ali.

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Okay.

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He, he, uh, he asked him, he started talking to him, and then he was like, Hey, it's like, Hey, I'm, I'm getting my real estate license Yeah.

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And blah, blah, blah.

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And he said, well, you should work with us.

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So, um, and he doesn't know, honestly, I can't even say he didn't know any better.

00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:09.421
Yeah.

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Just kidding.

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Yeah.

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Well, no, he did, he, he, he actually joined Keller Williams.

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Okay.

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So he joined Keller Williams and then.

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I went back to the restaurant that he worked at, I don't really want to say they're restaurants.

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Right, right.

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Um, a few months later and you're like, Hey, how's it going at Keller?

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Yeah.

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And

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he was like, oh my God, they're charging me like 500 bucks and this and that.

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Yeah.

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And I, and, and that was my problem with when I worked at Keller Williams is like, they nickel and dime you for everything.

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Like they charged you.

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Like, I mean, Keller Williams isn't necessarily a real estate company.

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It's a place where like they, they, they have all these different avenues to charge you for a million different things and then they upcharge'em.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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And yeah, and I don't want to do that.

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And I told'em, I was like, listen man, like I had that same problem with Keller Williams.

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I don't want, I don't wanna be that guy.

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I was like, so, you know, I charge half of what any one of like the, you know, bigger the majors,

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whatever do, and you probably, your tech stack isn't quite as voluptuous.

00:20:07.590 --> 00:20:07.861
No,

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it's definitely not.

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Your training

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program is in process of development.

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We, we, we run pretty trim, but um, yes.

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I don't have all those different things that you have to like, pay for when you go into subscribe, to subscribe, to be a part of whatever, a company.

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And they force you into a lot of those things.

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Like, I mean, even like your errors and emissions insurance with one of those like major brokerages.

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Yeah.

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You're paying twice what they pay for it.

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Oh, they're making money.

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They make money on stock and reselling you your EO insurance

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because Yep.

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I mean that is kind of corporate-y way of doing things, although, yeah.

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And sometimes even if the.

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Yeah.

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Like even if it almost pencils out, like philosophically, I just don't wanna be a part of that kind of thing.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Like even if it would be to my benefit to maximize my systems and get all the trainings I can and stuff, I just don't wanna be a part of a company that I know is reselling me errors of emissions insurance to make margin on that part of me.

00:21:06.105 --> 00:21:11.296
I mean, it's like I, I, I joked with one of the other guys that were, that used to work at Keller Williams.

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I was like, man, it's like, it's like Keller Williams is like, well, sorry, maybe not Keller Williams, but a lot of brokerages.

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Some brokerages yeah.

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Are like bottled water.

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Like you can get water anywhere.

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Right, right.

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You could even get it for free.

00:21:24.736 --> 00:21:24.796
Yeah.

00:21:26.145 --> 00:21:30.046
But yeah, they bottle the water and then they sell it to you for, for triple what?

00:21:30.050 --> 00:21:30.211
What?

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Yeah, they're the Evian.

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Yeah, they, yeah, they are.

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So, um, ion,

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sorry.

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Um, so there's that and then you, you do lending too.

00:21:38.296 --> 00:21:39.105
They do, yep.

00:21:39.105 --> 00:21:44.746
And that's just to support those other functions, kind of make sure people are getting good service through there.

00:21:44.746 --> 00:21:45.796
Or to minimize.

00:21:46.516 --> 00:21:48.435
Unnecessary communications or

00:21:48.826 --> 00:21:49.036
Yeah.

00:21:49.036 --> 00:21:51.556
Uh, a little bit of both of those.

00:21:51.736 --> 00:21:52.246
Um, you don't

00:21:52.246 --> 00:21:55.455
require them all to work together, they're kind of all independent functions.

00:21:55.455 --> 00:21:55.726
No, no,

00:21:55.730 --> 00:21:55.830
no.

00:21:55.836 --> 00:21:56.385
Absolutely not.

00:21:56.415 --> 00:21:56.955
Uh, people, a lot

00:21:56.955 --> 00:21:58.875
of times people don't use you for their loan at all.

00:21:58.965 --> 00:21:59.296
No.

00:21:59.355 --> 00:22:02.806
cause they already had a mortgage lender to get'em a pre-approval and before they even met you.

00:22:03.016 --> 00:22:03.435
That's right.

00:22:03.435 --> 00:22:07.516
Because they went through the first, they went, they, they looked up what the steps of the process are.

00:22:07.516 --> 00:22:11.175
They contacted a lender, they found out what they were qualified for, and then they called me.

00:22:11.236 --> 00:22:11.476
Yeah.

00:22:11.776 --> 00:22:14.115
And I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes Yeah.

00:22:14.175 --> 00:22:14.955
In that world.

00:22:15.346 --> 00:22:28.726
Um, but I was, when I was working in real estate, I noticed that a lot of times the, the lender wasn't very readily available for phone calls, wasn't great at communication.

00:22:29.476 --> 00:22:45.465
Um, and it really frustrated my clients, you know, like there would be some times where like we had, it was a week before closing and they didn't get an email or any kind of like, communication back from them for like two, three days sometimes.

00:22:45.556 --> 00:22:45.885
Yeah.

00:22:45.885 --> 00:22:46.336
That's rough.

00:22:46.365 --> 00:22:47.056
Yeah.

00:22:47.056 --> 00:22:47.986
And, uh,

00:22:48.046 --> 00:22:56.925
well, and part of it's because of all the industry reform, it's hard to work for a mortgage issuing company that is responsive to its employees.

00:22:57.556 --> 00:22:57.855
Sure.

00:22:57.885 --> 00:22:58.306
It isn't

00:22:58.306 --> 00:22:59.326
even bad mortgage lender.

00:22:59.326 --> 00:23:04.576
Sometimes they just don't have anything that they could tell you yet because they've been waiting for two days to get an answer.

00:23:04.580 --> 00:23:04.951
It's, yeah.

00:23:04.996 --> 00:23:08.986
It's the, it's the, from this department or that one, the, the underwriters a lot of times.

00:23:08.986 --> 00:23:09.346
Right.

00:23:09.435 --> 00:23:11.836
Um, and compliance departments and whatnot.

00:23:11.865 --> 00:23:12.135
Yeah.

00:23:13.096 --> 00:23:16.290
You get, you get them slowing the process up, but.

00:23:17.625 --> 00:23:23.175
I did find out that when I worked with mortgage brokers that that communication was a lot better.

00:23:23.385 --> 00:23:23.655
Okay.

00:23:23.715 --> 00:23:28.066
Um, whereas like with banks, it was like they would submit something and it would take two to three days.

00:23:28.155 --> 00:23:28.486
Yeah.

00:23:28.935 --> 00:23:33.496
It would take sometimes a week, you know, and like, this is supposed to close in five days.

00:23:33.496 --> 00:23:34.425
You're telling me seven days.

00:23:35.086 --> 00:23:35.326
Right.

00:23:35.326 --> 00:23:35.415
Like,

00:23:35.625 --> 00:23:37.036
you know this, you have the contract.

00:23:37.125 --> 00:23:37.215
Yeah.

00:23:37.221 --> 00:23:37.300
Yeah.

00:23:38.306 --> 00:23:43.496
I, I knew in my heart that I was really good at talking to myself.

00:23:43.976 --> 00:23:45.895
I'm great at communicating with me.

00:23:46.270 --> 00:23:47.125
Right, right.

00:23:47.125 --> 00:23:50.605
So as a realtor, I could talk to me the lender and have instant communication.

00:23:50.605 --> 00:23:50.846
You're like, yeah.

00:23:50.935 --> 00:23:51.205
Does this

00:23:51.205 --> 00:23:52.256
guy have a chance of getting this lump?

00:23:52.260 --> 00:23:52.471
Yeah.

00:23:52.476 --> 00:23:52.796
Yeah.

00:23:52.855 --> 00:23:53.875
As it turns out, he does.

00:23:54.056 --> 00:23:56.096
So just gotta do this thing and that thing.

00:23:56.125 --> 00:23:59.965
Get the self-employed, uh, verification form and we're good to go.

00:24:00.086 --> 00:24:00.175
Yeah.

00:24:00.175 --> 00:24:01.346
Do you have support in that?

00:24:01.496 --> 00:24:01.796
I do.

00:24:01.951 --> 00:24:02.151
I do.

00:24:02.336 --> 00:24:07.405
So with both the companies I've got, I have people that work with me.

00:24:07.705 --> 00:24:09.266
They work with a lot of other people.

00:24:09.266 --> 00:24:10.615
I have a transaction coordinator.

00:24:10.615 --> 00:24:13.586
Her name's Erica Rice, and she, hi Erica.

00:24:13.675 --> 00:24:14.516
Hi, Erica.

00:24:14.665 --> 00:24:15.685
You'll probably listen to this.

00:24:15.836 --> 00:24:16.645
I hope so.

00:24:16.705 --> 00:24:18.476
She's, uh, she's, she's awesome.

00:24:18.476 --> 00:24:21.266
And, and boy, she, she keeps it all together for me.

00:24:21.266 --> 00:24:26.336
So like BVP Realty contracts with Erica or even employs her to do those?

00:24:26.340 --> 00:24:26.431
She's,

00:24:26.431 --> 00:24:26.510
yeah.

00:24:26.516 --> 00:24:29.306
She's a transaction coordinator with a company called Signature.

00:24:29.635 --> 00:24:29.875
Okay.

00:24:29.905 --> 00:24:36.655
Um, and, uh, signature Services, uh, which is run by a woman named Savannah Campbell.

00:24:36.806 --> 00:24:39.385
Um, and they, uh, they do fantastic work.

00:24:39.385 --> 00:24:43.195
They were, they all were with Keller Williams originally.

00:24:43.226 --> 00:24:43.405
Okay.

00:24:43.556 --> 00:24:46.671
Ing and they've all transitioned away from them and started their own company also.

00:24:46.675 --> 00:24:47.066
Interesting.

00:24:47.155 --> 00:24:47.336
Yeah.

00:24:47.336 --> 00:24:47.695
Interesting.

00:24:48.026 --> 00:24:51.445
And does Signature do things like order title insurance and things like that too?

00:24:51.445 --> 00:24:53.546
I guess that's the mortgage part.

00:24:53.605 --> 00:24:53.935
No, no.

00:24:54.056 --> 00:24:54.385
They do.

00:24:54.445 --> 00:24:54.986
Yeah.

00:24:55.165 --> 00:24:55.375
They,

00:24:55.375 --> 00:24:58.135
they, they do all the communications with the title company.

00:24:58.316 --> 00:24:58.496
Yeah.

00:24:58.496 --> 00:25:00.115
The title company orders that, but Sure.

00:25:00.115 --> 00:25:00.326
Yeah.

00:25:00.415 --> 00:25:03.566
But ultimately, but they're helping to keep that whole cohesive.

00:25:04.096 --> 00:25:04.395
Yeah.

00:25:04.395 --> 00:25:04.965
Together.

00:25:05.026 --> 00:25:11.205
They, I, I, I get it under contract and I hand the file off to them and they keep it all together.

00:25:11.236 --> 00:25:11.746
Oh, sweet.

00:25:12.016 --> 00:25:12.256
Yeah.

00:25:12.256 --> 00:25:15.855
Let me know when I need to Yeah, it's actually, it's, they're, they're great.

00:25:15.915 --> 00:25:16.125
Yeah.

00:25:16.125 --> 00:25:26.776
And it's probably a per item thing with maybe a base or something like that for you, so you don't have this high overhead of having a transaction coordinator on the staff of BBP Realty.

00:25:26.776 --> 00:25:26.925
Yeah.

00:25:27.016 --> 00:25:31.185
And if you have a slow month where there's no transactions, you're like, oh

00:25:31.726 --> 00:25:31.996
yeah,

00:25:32.056 --> 00:25:34.516
I can't really afford this transaction coordinator when we didn't have any.

00:25:34.605 --> 00:25:37.066
You might have six the next month and then you can just push the gas pedal.

00:25:37.066 --> 00:25:38.836
You don't have to train somebody new, you know, or 10.

00:25:38.925 --> 00:25:39.496
Yeah.

00:25:39.885 --> 00:25:48.171
Theoretically to have, to have in, in the real estate world to have per deal, um, employee employees is mm-hmm.

00:25:48.270 --> 00:25:49.486
Is definitely the way to go.

00:25:49.516 --> 00:25:57.226
'cause yeah, I mean, yeah, there could be, there screws off, there could be months when there's, you know, 10 deals closing and there could be months where one doesn't close.

00:25:57.256 --> 00:25:57.766
You are right.

00:25:57.766 --> 00:25:58.726
Nothing falls for two months.

00:25:58.726 --> 00:25:59.175
Yeah.

00:25:59.685 --> 00:25:59.806
Yeah.

00:25:59.806 --> 00:26:00.286
That's fair.

00:26:00.375 --> 00:26:00.796
Interesting.

00:26:00.855 --> 00:26:02.986
Okay, well that brings it all together.

00:26:03.046 --> 00:26:03.976
Lemme flip the script here.

00:26:04.006 --> 00:26:04.276
Shoot.

00:26:04.546 --> 00:26:08.536
You tell me about why'd you get into loco think Tank?

00:26:09.556 --> 00:26:11.296
Um, well I wanted it for me.

00:26:12.121 --> 00:26:16.381
Um, I was a banker trying to become a restaurateur Right.

00:26:16.471 --> 00:26:18.540
At the time, what, what was the restaurant?

00:26:18.540 --> 00:26:19.411
What was the concept?

00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:20.310
The concept?

00:26:20.310 --> 00:26:21.661
It was, it was, it was a food truck, right?

00:26:21.691 --> 00:26:24.151
Well, the, not the, that wasn't why I left banking.

00:26:24.330 --> 00:26:24.361
Okay.

00:26:24.361 --> 00:26:32.911
I was trying to start a restaurant and it turned out it was harder and more capital intensive and location dependent than I gave it credit for.

00:26:32.911 --> 00:26:32.971
Yeah.

00:26:33.121 --> 00:26:35.580
And so I, that's when I ended up with the food truck.

00:26:35.580 --> 00:26:44.010
But the concept was, uh, everybody welcome International fusion menu with a locally sourced, uh, sourcing.

00:26:44.760 --> 00:26:45.030
Cool.

00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:47.221
So eat as much local food as you can.

00:26:47.221 --> 00:26:50.641
And then do you know what all the different kinds of people around the world have?

00:26:51.030 --> 00:27:02.490
You know, Asian foods and German foods and South American foods and American foods all on one menu, but just the best of using, because you've got so much variety potential.

00:27:02.790 --> 00:27:06.540
You could have a seasonal menu based on what's coming off the local Yeah.

00:27:06.540 --> 00:27:07.590
Crops at the time, but

00:27:07.590 --> 00:27:08.461
no British food, right?

00:27:08.730 --> 00:27:09.000
No.

00:27:09.300 --> 00:27:09.361
No.

00:27:10.141 --> 00:27:12.361
Why would you not wanna sell

00:27:12.361 --> 00:27:12.721
stuff?

00:27:14.340 --> 00:27:16.711
I'm though a big fan of beard meats food on YouTube.

00:27:17.161 --> 00:27:17.550
Sure.

00:27:17.820 --> 00:27:22.171
But, uh, even he, you can tell, would rather not have blood sausage.

00:27:22.471 --> 00:27:24.421
I mean, you know, blood sausage is all right.

00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:25.230
Bangers and mash.

00:27:25.230 --> 00:27:25.711
It's okay.

00:27:25.861 --> 00:27:26.461
Yeah, it's fine.

00:27:26.490 --> 00:27:32.221
Um, but it's fine, but it's not the pinnacle, you know, of food and creativity and things like that.

00:27:32.250 --> 00:27:32.671
Yeah.

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:33.836
Um, so, okay.

00:27:33.871 --> 00:27:36.151
So that was the concept in general.

00:27:36.540 --> 00:27:39.780
Um, and the food truck attempted to be kind of a little bit like that.

00:27:39.780 --> 00:27:45.840
You know, we did a lot of locally sourcing of our pork and a lot of our, uh, veggie type products and stuff like that.

00:27:45.931 --> 00:27:48.451
Um, when we could, it was hard.

00:27:48.840 --> 00:27:49.020
Okay.

00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:54.240
So how does, how did that, how does local think, tank figure in then transition into local think tank?

00:27:54.240 --> 00:28:06.391
So, so I was a banker business banker for 15 years, and in my experience, a lot of my best customers had a pure advisory background.

00:28:06.840 --> 00:28:11.490
Um, in that case of Capital West Bank, several of the board members were together in a Vistage group.

00:28:12.060 --> 00:28:14.790
Vistage is kind of the 800 pound gorilla in my industry.

00:28:15.451 --> 00:28:25.201
And so the, the bank hosted Vistage chapter meetings when that member of the month didn't have a good meeting space at their location or whatever.

00:28:25.590 --> 00:28:29.971
So I was like, Hey, all of you, successful business leaders can meet in my conference room.

00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:35.101
You know, I just wanna do a five minute commercial in, in payment of that and we'll be good to go.

00:28:35.461 --> 00:28:36.570
So I learned about it.

00:28:36.570 --> 00:28:46.951
Eventually I became a member of what Vistage calls a trusted advisors group that would have like bankers and CPAs and lawyers and estate planners and financial advisors, realtors.

00:28:46.951 --> 00:28:47.340
Probably the

00:28:47.340 --> 00:28:50.010
higher, the higher end of the kind of the professional

00:28:50.010 --> 00:28:50.851
services.

00:28:50.881 --> 00:28:51.090
Sure.

00:28:51.151 --> 00:28:51.480
Yeah.

00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:56.971
And not even networking a little bit more on the trusted advisor side, but more focused on.

00:28:57.391 --> 00:29:08.070
Making better decisions faster and staying abreast of technology changes and hiring requirements and legal ramifications of the family act.

00:29:08.131 --> 00:29:08.310
Mm-hmm.

00:29:08.611 --> 00:29:15.451
Or whatever, like whatever it takes to become a really good CEO of a 50 person company.

00:29:15.810 --> 00:29:16.050
Yeah.

00:29:16.111 --> 00:29:20.431
Vistage is kind of a, a place for them to sit down and learn from each other how to do that.

00:29:20.580 --> 00:29:20.911
Okay.

00:29:20.911 --> 00:29:23.070
And bring in subject matter experts and things like that.

00:29:23.070 --> 00:29:34.711
So I wanted that for me as I tried to turn into a real business operator with a restaurant or a food trailer or whatever, but I didn't wanna pay the$1,200 a month that Vistage charged.

00:29:34.711 --> 00:29:36.721
Its a small business group.

00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:37.080
Right.

00:29:37.290 --> 00:29:40.230
Plus they wouldn't probably let me in'cause I didn't even have a business yet.

00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:40.800
Yeah.

00:29:40.921 --> 00:29:42.181
Um, but I had You probably also

00:29:42.181 --> 00:29:44.851
have to be performing at a certain level to be a part of one.

00:29:44.881 --> 00:29:45.780
No, not really.

00:29:45.780 --> 00:29:46.351
They'll actually

00:29:46.351 --> 00:29:49.980
take your money even if you don't really fit is my, in my experience.

00:29:50.040 --> 00:29:50.070
Okay.

00:29:50.070 --> 00:29:53.730
But they do because they charge$1,200 a month to keep the riff R out.

00:29:53.790 --> 00:29:54.060
Sure.

00:29:54.151 --> 00:29:55.351
Well now it's two grand a month.

00:29:55.411 --> 00:29:56.280
Um, yeah.

00:29:56.310 --> 00:30:04.830
So I wanted that for me, and then I could kind of round up some of my favorite customers from my banking days and add them to my chapter.

00:30:05.461 --> 00:30:06.451
Um, and charge.

00:30:06.451 --> 00:30:10.351
In that time I charged$150 a month instead of 1200.

00:30:10.355 --> 00:30:10.685
Mm-hmm.

00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:23.371
And I had a former Vistage, um, chair they call it, that had left Vistage and was out of her non-compete, and she agreed that she would be the facilitator as long as I could find all the smart kids to put in the chapter.

00:30:23.461 --> 00:30:23.790
Okay.

00:30:24.165 --> 00:30:27.526
So if I got four at 150, then I had 600 bucks.

00:30:27.526 --> 00:30:31.546
And Andrea required$500 a month payment to do the subcontract.

00:30:32.115 --> 00:30:36.675
Uh, and then she was a, was a, we knew each other through the small business development center.

00:30:37.336 --> 00:30:41.415
And so she would get 30 bucks per meeting when she sat down and met with my members.

00:30:41.415 --> 00:30:48.226
And so she would meet with six or eight of our members every month and bill another$200 a month to them.

00:30:48.705 --> 00:31:02.296
But what the SBDC noticed within like two or three years was, hey, all of these local think tank members are hiring more people and growing their businesses way faster than our average consultants clients.

00:31:02.300 --> 00:31:02.361
Like.

00:31:02.365 --> 00:31:02.986
Like it's working.

00:31:03.016 --> 00:31:03.615
It's working.

00:31:03.675 --> 00:31:03.915
Yeah.

00:31:03.976 --> 00:31:17.865
And so, so that kind of started kind of a mutual appreciation society of sorts where I continued to do consulting with SPDC for a long time, you know, where to find money, how to write your business plan.

00:31:18.286 --> 00:31:18.405
Sure.

00:31:18.405 --> 00:31:19.246
Things like that.

00:31:19.605 --> 00:31:22.066
And, and they would, you know, accommodate us.

00:31:22.066 --> 00:31:28.185
We, they moved to the inosphere and so we've still got chapters that meet at the Inosphere over there on Vine Drive.

00:31:28.185 --> 00:31:28.215
Okay.

00:31:28.726 --> 00:31:36.705
Uh, they've got a real nice couple of conference rooms, so our chapters meet kind of wherever they can kind of find a sweet space to meet that doesn't cost too much.

00:31:36.766 --> 00:31:37.096
Sure.

00:31:37.336 --> 00:31:43.096
Um, and have that kind of same impact of, you know, just a little bit of positive peer pressure.

00:31:43.096 --> 00:31:50.925
'cause like, you know, after nine years in, in real estate, maybe not at Keller, but probably, and even today, you can spend your days.

00:31:51.750 --> 00:32:02.641
Fucking enough and not doing anything productive for your business, or you can really invest and work hard and strive to, you know, serve your clients better than anybody else in your industry.

00:32:02.641 --> 00:32:08.161
And, and think of creative ways to ask them for referrals or to let them know you appreciate them.

00:32:08.461 --> 00:32:08.760
Yeah.

00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.901
Um, add mortgage lending to your suite of services so that doesn't become an impediment to closing transactions.

00:32:16.171 --> 00:32:16.500
Yeah.

00:32:16.590 --> 00:32:17.280
Same kind of thing.

00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:21.721
It's all about kind of continuous learning from people that think differently than you.

00:32:22.441 --> 00:32:27.391
And peer pressure to do the hard things that it takes to grow your business.

00:32:27.451 --> 00:32:28.651
Do you guys have a book?

00:32:29.280 --> 00:32:30.181
Local Think tank books?

00:32:30.181 --> 00:32:30.391
Yeah.

00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:30.871
No.

00:32:30.931 --> 00:32:31.171
No.

00:32:31.320 --> 00:32:31.921
You think I should?

00:32:32.641 --> 00:32:33.090
I don't know.

00:32:33.090 --> 00:32:33.125
I don't know.

00:32:33.421 --> 00:32:33.661
Yeah.

00:32:33.750 --> 00:32:35.971
Seems like, it seems, seems like an obvious next step

00:32:36.780 --> 00:32:37.980
now that AI exists.

00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:44.550
I could just have AI read all my, I've written a blog every month for the last seven or eight years or something.

00:32:44.550 --> 00:32:44.760
Oh, okay.

00:32:44.851 --> 00:32:47.250
Let's just take all those So I could just train an agent Yeah.

00:32:47.310 --> 00:32:49.050
There and be like, Hey, write me a book.

00:32:49.351 --> 00:32:49.740
You saw this.

00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:51.330
I want the title to be this.

00:32:51.391 --> 00:32:51.661
Yeah.

00:32:51.721 --> 00:32:52.141
Ish.

00:32:52.230 --> 00:32:55.740
And, uh, gimme a first copy by tomorrow afternoon.

00:32:56.736 --> 00:32:58.290
And, and like 20 minutes later they'd be like,

00:32:58.770 --> 00:32:59.280
I got it.

00:32:59.790 --> 00:33:00.871
Are you ready, man?

00:33:00.871 --> 00:33:02.911
I've been making, uh, I've been making all my like.

00:33:03.421 --> 00:33:06.540
Um, advertisements and stuff with ai.

00:33:06.570 --> 00:33:07.111
Well, okay.

00:33:07.111 --> 00:33:11.086
I've been trying, I've been trying to make a bunch of stuff with AI posters, whatever.

00:33:11.086 --> 00:33:12.721
It always just comes out pretty awful.

00:33:12.721 --> 00:33:12.780
Yeah.

00:33:12.780 --> 00:33:15.871
Except for like the birthday cards and I made Thanksgiving cards.

00:33:15.990 --> 00:33:16.351
Okay.

00:33:16.411 --> 00:33:17.070
Uh oh.

00:33:17.070 --> 00:33:17.221
Yeah.

00:33:17.221 --> 00:33:18.000
I don't have my phone number.

00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:18.540
Is it clever?

00:33:18.931 --> 00:33:19.770
Yeah, it's pretty clever.

00:33:20.070 --> 00:33:23.730
Was, it was, uh, Nicholas Cage as a, in a baby's body.

00:33:24.211 --> 00:33:24.901
Okay.

00:33:24.901 --> 00:33:25.590
A funny face.

00:33:25.590 --> 00:33:28.171
That was I, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll send it to you.

00:33:28.405 --> 00:33:30.060
But that was my Thanksgiving card.

00:33:30.840 --> 00:33:32.641
Did it say like, uh, it said

00:33:32.641 --> 00:33:35.131
like, gobble, gobble happy Thanksgiving, and it was

00:33:35.131 --> 00:33:35.520
so

00:33:35.520 --> 00:33:35.941
awkward.

00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:39.121
You're like, I'm just gonna use this.

00:33:39.211 --> 00:33:44.461
Like, no graphic designer would ever come up with this based on my criteria, but

00:33:44.461 --> 00:33:51.270
my, my birthday card to people is like a unicorn, throwing up a rainbow with a, with a baby smile.

00:33:51.451 --> 00:33:53.250
Big chubby baby smiling, like, surfing

00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:54.240
the vomit.

00:33:54.570 --> 00:33:59.340
It's just, you know, it's like, it's just the weirdest, like, I'm trying to come up with the weirdest thing I can.

00:33:59.431 --> 00:33:59.611
Okay.

00:33:59.611 --> 00:34:01.050
I, I'm trying to stump ai.

00:34:01.171 --> 00:34:02.221
Well, thank you for that by the way.

00:34:02.221 --> 00:34:09.210
I'm flattered by the notion, and I have both had thoughts of writing a book and had people say, you should probably write a book kind of stuff, you know?

00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:09.331
Yeah.

00:34:09.391 --> 00:34:10.471
It doesn't sound like a bad idea.

00:34:10.471 --> 00:34:12.811
A guidebook to the, you know, to the think tank.

00:34:12.871 --> 00:34:27.541
Now maybe that's the, maybe that's the, we've been talking about like a playbook for opening a new regions kind of thing, and maybe that's like, it could be some story, but more about, here, buy this book and read it.

00:34:27.541 --> 00:34:29.400
And you, Mr.

00:34:29.971 --> 00:34:31.621
Um, like.

00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:39.661
Business veteran with a, with a cool story in your past and that wants to continue contributing to the community that allowed you to be successful in business.

00:34:40.170 --> 00:34:42.630
You could start a local think tank chapter wherever you are.

00:34:42.811 --> 00:34:43.201
Yeah.

00:34:43.201 --> 00:34:45.481
And, uh, uh, just read this book, an operator's manual.

00:34:45.510 --> 00:34:46.201
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.201 --> 00:34:48.331
You know, it, it might have a little bit of, uh,

00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:49.800
with some stories.

00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:50.070
Yeah.

00:34:50.161 --> 00:34:53.070
Well, because we don't remember shit when there's no stories.

00:34:53.101 --> 00:35:02.130
You know, that's, that's why Jesus taught in parables is because otherwise, if he was just like, okay, let me, let's review again and I'll do some explaining about the 10 commandments.

00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:04.170
And then people would be like, what?

00:35:04.170 --> 00:35:05.581
I forgot what was number three again.

00:35:06.541 --> 00:35:09.541
But if you go, you know, thou shall not commit adultery.

00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:23.070
And here's a story about, you know, what happened to this guy when he looked a young lady up and down and he shouldn't have, because that's basically adultery with your eyes already, even if you didn't actually put your peepee in her.

00:35:23.070 --> 00:35:23.550
Hoo-ha.

00:35:23.641 --> 00:35:27.150
Well, isn't that uh, no, that's, um, that's coveting the neighbor's wife.

00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:28.471
Oh, so it's coveting too.

00:35:28.471 --> 00:35:28.530
Yeah.

00:35:28.561 --> 00:35:28.981
Yeah.

00:35:29.190 --> 00:35:33.331
But Jesus also says like, kind of, if you even look lustfully upon.

00:35:34.755 --> 00:35:38.956
Uh, someone that, that's actually kind of committing adultery in your heart?

00:35:38.985 --> 00:35:39.735
Well, it's a good thing.

00:35:39.735 --> 00:35:41.385
I never have done that.

00:35:41.416 --> 00:35:42.106
You've never done that?

00:35:42.106 --> 00:35:42.166
No.

00:35:43.335 --> 00:35:47.175
Never, never drive through CSU campus in the spring just to see how the views are that day.

00:35:47.596 --> 00:35:48.615
No, of course, course not ever.

00:35:48.615 --> 00:35:56.266
Well, actually, I'm sure my wife is probably tired of watching this at this point, so right now we can start being honest.

00:35:56.266 --> 00:35:58.670
She's probably on social media again right now.

00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:00.195
How long have you been married?

00:36:00.286 --> 00:36:02.985
Uh, we have been married for two and a half years.

00:36:03.045 --> 00:36:05.775
We are going on our honeymoon finally on.

00:36:05.775 --> 00:36:06.045
Awesome.

00:36:06.346 --> 00:36:06.916
On Wednesday.

00:36:07.065 --> 00:36:08.056
Oh, congratulations.

00:36:08.056 --> 00:36:08.326
Yeah.

00:36:08.326 --> 00:36:08.985
Thanks for popping

00:36:08.985 --> 00:36:09.945
into the local experience.

00:36:09.945 --> 00:36:10.246
Before you

00:36:10.246 --> 00:36:12.106
leave, we're going to Costa Rica.

00:36:12.226 --> 00:36:12.675
Oh, fun.

00:36:12.706 --> 00:36:14.536
Nos beach in Costa Rica.

00:36:14.536 --> 00:36:15.615
Is it Pacific Coast side?

00:36:15.675 --> 00:36:16.275
It's Pacific.

00:36:16.275 --> 00:36:16.456
Yeah.

00:36:17.085 --> 00:36:22.606
My wife and I, that was probably our favorite trip ever, was Costa Rica about 12, 14 years ago now.

00:36:22.666 --> 00:36:22.786
Oh,

00:36:22.786 --> 00:36:23.235
cool.

00:36:23.385 --> 00:36:27.856
And, uh, yeah, we stayed right on the Pacific Beach with Mal Paese and, uh, Santa Teresa.

00:36:27.856 --> 00:36:28.155
We're,

00:36:28.485 --> 00:36:29.715
uh, yeah, we're where we are.

00:36:29.715 --> 00:36:30.885
A little bit south of there, I think.

00:36:30.885 --> 00:36:31.335
Okay.

00:36:31.846 --> 00:36:32.146
Awesome.

00:36:32.206 --> 00:36:32.865
I think

00:36:33.226 --> 00:36:38.416
I, you know, I've been looking at the map and to be honest with you, I, I now it all burs after a while, but

00:36:38.536 --> 00:36:39.045
enjoy it.

00:36:39.045 --> 00:36:45.255
It'll be amazing if you can try to find a, a fishing trip early because you're a pescatarian kind of, right?

00:36:45.255 --> 00:36:45.766
You, yeah.

00:36:45.766 --> 00:36:46.996
Fishes with not much else.

00:36:46.996 --> 00:36:47.206
Meat.

00:36:47.385 --> 00:36:47.626
Yeah.

00:36:47.626 --> 00:36:50.416
I fish and I, I ate birds.

00:36:50.536 --> 00:36:54.465
We, we, uh, we caught a king mackerel as well as a bunch of black tuna.

00:36:54.615 --> 00:36:54.856
Oh, wow.

00:36:54.856 --> 00:36:57.405
On like a, on literally a$400.

00:36:58.110 --> 00:36:59.041
Half day fishing.

00:36:59.041 --> 00:36:59.161
Oh, cool.

00:36:59.161 --> 00:37:05.911
With some local dudes on like a boat that you'd be like, can't believe we're out here this deep in the ocean on this little boat.

00:37:05.911 --> 00:37:07.831
But we caught a bunch of fish and brought it home.

00:37:07.831 --> 00:37:17.610
And then, uh, uh, we went to a farmer's market literally the next day and bought all this like picked yesterday produce, and we ate like kings and queens for like, that sounds awesome.

00:37:17.791 --> 00:37:18.300
No money.

00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:18.391
Like

00:37:18.451 --> 00:37:19.141
I want to, I want to do that.

00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:19.621
Yeah.

00:37:19.891 --> 00:37:20.431
So I recommend

00:37:20.431 --> 00:37:23.251
and get, and do it with fishing right away so you have the fish to eat while you're there.

00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.751
Yeah, no, that's a great idea.

00:37:24.751 --> 00:37:25.081
Yeah.

00:37:25.081 --> 00:37:25.351
Okay.

00:37:25.411 --> 00:37:26.670
So yeah, second day.

00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:30.990
Um, it is supposed to be, it's supposed to be, it's kind of rainy season.

00:37:30.990 --> 00:37:35.431
So we actually, we got like a deal because our friend owns a hotel there.

00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:35.820
Oh.

00:37:36.001 --> 00:37:39.721
Um, and because it's rainy season.

00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:40.141
Yeah.

00:37:40.141 --> 00:37:41.221
It's super low vacancy.

00:37:41.251 --> 00:37:41.641
Yeah.

00:37:41.641 --> 00:37:44.280
So we got a free place to stay for a week.

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:44.670
Sweet.

00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.351
Um, yeah, it's kind of wild.

00:37:46.351 --> 00:37:47.070
I used Miles.

00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:48.240
We have a free place to stay.

00:37:48.240 --> 00:37:49.780
Like it's Oh yeah.

00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:50.041
So you can

00:37:50.041 --> 00:37:51.931
drop a little, drop a dime on uh oh.

00:37:51.931 --> 00:37:52.891
You can definitely, yeah.

00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:54.121
On the fishing trip.

00:37:54.150 --> 00:37:57.601
Even if you don't get it for like$400, you could still have a good time.

00:37:57.601 --> 00:37:59.820
Well, it's two of you, so you might get it even less.

00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:01.110
I could probably join a group,

00:38:01.110 --> 00:38:02.731
get a poll from somebody and find a dog.

00:38:02.731 --> 00:38:03.420
Well, you can do shore

00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:03.990
fishing too.

00:38:03.990 --> 00:38:06.150
At least in Mexico it's legal to just do shore fishing.

00:38:06.150 --> 00:38:07.291
Is it in Costa Rica too?

00:38:07.590 --> 00:38:07.860
I don't know.

00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.090
No license required.

00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:09.630
Check it up.

00:38:09.630 --> 00:38:09.690
I've

00:38:09.690 --> 00:38:10.110
looked it up.

00:38:10.110 --> 00:38:12.240
I haven't, I haven't actually like gone fishing.

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:14.400
Fishing since I lived in Alaska.

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:14.760
Really?

00:38:14.791 --> 00:38:15.001
Yeah.

00:38:15.061 --> 00:38:17.221
Um, but there's always better fish out.

00:38:18.030 --> 00:38:18.510
Offshore.

00:38:18.570 --> 00:38:18.990
Yeah.

00:38:19.050 --> 00:38:20.010
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:20.010 --> 00:38:20.851
They totally are.

00:38:20.911 --> 00:38:23.130
But well, what I was gonna say is it's gonna be raining.

00:38:23.460 --> 00:38:23.641
Oh.

00:38:23.641 --> 00:38:26.701
And when it's rainy, that's actually a pretty decent time for shower.

00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:27.271
Oh, right.

00:38:27.271 --> 00:38:31.920
Because there's like food coming off of the land into the water instead of just the other way around.

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:32.101
So

00:38:32.101 --> 00:38:32.400
yeah.

00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:33.811
It's actually not a bad time.

00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:34.201
Okay.

00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:35.161
If you go out there.

00:38:35.251 --> 00:38:35.490
Yeah.

00:38:35.490 --> 00:38:36.240
So maybe.

00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:36.661
All right.

00:38:36.661 --> 00:38:36.900
I don't know.

00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.260
We'll see.

00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:37.650
I'll buy it.

00:38:37.740 --> 00:38:40.351
I'll send you a picture of the fi, the first fish that I catch.

00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:40.831
Alright.

00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:41.070
I look

00:38:41.070 --> 00:38:41.581
forward to it.

00:38:41.581 --> 00:38:41.760
Yeah.

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:43.416
Text or the biggest fish that I catch, text two.

00:38:43.456 --> 00:38:43.775
I don't know.

00:38:43.780 --> 00:38:44.371
One or the other?

00:38:45.541 --> 00:38:45.550
Both.

00:38:45.550 --> 00:38:45.780
Both.

00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:46.050
Hopefully.

00:38:46.050 --> 00:38:47.070
The first one's a big one.

00:38:47.371 --> 00:38:48.751
I'll just catch one and be like, cool.

00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:49.320
Let's call today.

00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:49.856
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:38:50.221 --> 00:38:50.371
yeah.

00:38:50.371 --> 00:38:55.110
Check out the, uh, whether or not you can in Mexico, you could shore fish without a license.

00:38:55.110 --> 00:38:55.740
Anybody can.

00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:56.280
Oh, okay.

00:38:56.521 --> 00:39:00.240
Um, I'm not sure if that's also the truth in, in Costa Rica or what.

00:39:00.456 --> 00:39:08.010
I, I think that the, I, I think in Mexico, the rules are a little bit more similar to America.

00:39:08.670 --> 00:39:09.481
I don't know.

00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:11.340
In Costa Rica you mean than Costa Rica?

00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:12.331
Oh, I don't know.

00:39:12.391 --> 00:39:13.981
I think it's a little bit more lax there.

00:39:13.981 --> 00:39:16.201
As from, from what I understand from talking, if you've got a

00:39:16.201 --> 00:39:17.851
fishing pole, you can just throw it out there.

00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.300
Maybe.

00:39:18.481 --> 00:39:18.690
Yeah.

00:39:18.751 --> 00:39:19.320
Wouldn't, we'll find out.

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:19.815
Wouldn't surprising.

00:39:19.815 --> 00:39:19.976
I mean, I

00:39:19.976 --> 00:39:24.056
definitely don't want to go to Costa Rican jail for trying to fish off the dock.

00:39:24.155 --> 00:39:24.856
But we,

00:39:24.871 --> 00:39:29.760
uh, we had a property right on the beach and there were somewhere in the vicinity of.

00:39:30.436 --> 00:39:32.686
10 million hermit crabs on said property.

00:39:32.746 --> 00:39:32.925
Oh

00:39:32.925 --> 00:39:33.195
wow.

00:39:33.255 --> 00:39:36.735
Like we would come back from the beach in the evening time and it was literally freaky.

00:39:36.735 --> 00:39:38.115
You thought you were gonna step on'em.

00:39:38.115 --> 00:39:38.175
Yeah.

00:39:38.175 --> 00:39:40.726
'cause they were so thick, but then they would just kind of move outta your way.

00:39:40.786 --> 00:39:41.115
Yeah.

00:39:41.416 --> 00:39:44.115
Um, but literally the ground was virtually covered.

00:39:44.206 --> 00:39:45.626
It's wild, isn't it?

00:39:45.626 --> 00:39:45.646
For acres?

00:39:45.690 --> 00:39:46.876
Yeah, it was crazy.

00:39:47.385 --> 00:39:52.186
Um, so this conversation's been going for about like 45 minutes already.

00:39:52.335 --> 00:39:53.025
Can you even believe it?

00:39:53.115 --> 00:39:53.445
Oh wow.

00:39:53.565 --> 00:39:53.806
Really?

00:39:53.925 --> 00:39:55.155
Uh, but well, a little bit.

00:39:55.155 --> 00:39:56.536
We, we need to move on a little bit.

00:39:56.536 --> 00:39:56.596
Yeah.

00:39:56.746 --> 00:40:02.235
And why don't you talk to me about real estate, like what's happening in the Fort Collins real estate market,

00:40:02.596 --> 00:40:03.436
um, in your

00:40:03.436 --> 00:40:04.246
experience.

00:40:04.635 --> 00:40:10.576
Well, I've seen that the, like the top end of the market in a lot of parts of the country is softened a lot here.

00:40:10.576 --> 00:40:14.416
It seems to be so far steady just for lack of supply mostly,

00:40:15.045 --> 00:40:17.565
you know, the, the higher end.

00:40:17.865 --> 00:40:24.675
So things, sales are definitely sitting on the market a lot longer.

00:40:24.675 --> 00:40:25.126
So days on

00:40:25.126 --> 00:40:25.695
market is,

00:40:25.695 --> 00:40:27.346
days on market is a lot higher.

00:40:27.346 --> 00:40:28.215
At least it has been.

00:40:28.215 --> 00:40:32.085
It's, it's sort of like, there seems to be a little bit of a push right now.

00:40:32.385 --> 00:40:34.096
It seems like people are a little bit more active.

00:40:34.096 --> 00:40:34.365
Okay.

00:40:34.695 --> 00:40:36.766
Um, the rates have gone down

00:40:36.856 --> 00:40:37.275
slightly.

00:40:37.275 --> 00:40:37.365
Sure.

00:40:37.396 --> 00:40:37.545
Yeah.

00:40:37.545 --> 00:40:39.496
So it brought a few people back out to play

00:40:39.585 --> 00:40:40.275
It did.

00:40:40.456 --> 00:40:48.016
Um, and, and I mean the rate thing like, you know, it's really just like, that's just something that happens in the news a lot of times.

00:40:48.016 --> 00:40:49.815
Like you, you know how it is.

00:40:49.815 --> 00:40:49.905
Sure.

00:40:49.936 --> 00:40:52.490
I mean, it really matters more of, uh.

00:40:53.476 --> 00:40:56.721
Of what people like think about what's going on in mm-hmm.

00:40:56.985 --> 00:40:59.356
In the market as opposed to what actually is going on.

00:40:59.356 --> 00:40:59.686
That's all of

00:40:59.686 --> 00:41:00.496
economics really.

00:41:00.525 --> 00:41:00.856
Right?

00:41:00.856 --> 00:41:00.916
Yeah.

00:41:00.916 --> 00:41:01.905
Perception is reality.

00:41:01.905 --> 00:41:02.476
Yeah.

00:41:02.476 --> 00:41:02.485
Yeah.

00:41:02.485 --> 00:41:07.840
And uh, right now people are like, oh, things are getting better or, you know, this and that.

00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:08.121
Okay.

00:41:08.565 --> 00:41:09.795
And so Trump's policies

00:41:09.795 --> 00:41:10.516
are finally working.

00:41:11.070 --> 00:41:11.360
Just

00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:11.521
kidding.

00:41:13.096 --> 00:41:13.576
We'll get into that later.

00:41:13.695 --> 00:41:13.965
Yeah.

00:41:16.005 --> 00:41:17.206
Maybe after that joint.

00:41:18.195 --> 00:41:18.706
Um,

00:41:19.485 --> 00:41:25.155
but uh, yeah, the, um, time on market, days on market is, is pretty long.

00:41:25.215 --> 00:41:26.505
Um, the, like, what are you

00:41:26.505 --> 00:41:28.065
talking pretty long, like six months

00:41:28.065 --> 00:41:29.025
for a lot of categories.

00:41:29.085 --> 00:41:30.255
There's quite a few.

00:41:30.286 --> 00:41:30.615
Okay.

00:41:30.646 --> 00:41:36.135
Um, I've had my, my lower end listings are sitting with no showings.

00:41:36.195 --> 00:41:36.826
Really?

00:41:36.916 --> 00:41:37.456
Yeah.

00:41:37.456 --> 00:41:37.945
Which that was.

00:41:37.945 --> 00:41:38.251
And when you

00:41:38.251 --> 00:41:41.025
say lower end listings, is that like condos and town homes and stuff?

00:41:41.056 --> 00:41:42.826
Or are you talking entry level houses?

00:41:42.916 --> 00:41:43.365
Detached entry,

00:41:43.365 --> 00:41:44.896
let's, let's call'em entry level houses.

00:41:44.925 --> 00:41:45.195
Okay.

00:41:45.226 --> 00:41:45.675
Yeah.

00:41:45.735 --> 00:41:50.056
Houses that are townhouses that aren't in the greatest of shape.

00:41:50.146 --> 00:41:50.445
Okay.

00:41:50.445 --> 00:41:56.056
You know, um, I wouldn't necessarily say they're like investment properties or should be investment properties.

00:41:56.175 --> 00:41:56.235
Yeah.

00:41:56.266 --> 00:41:58.905
But single family homes more first time home buyer kinda.

00:41:58.905 --> 00:41:59.266
Yeah.

00:41:59.416 --> 00:42:02.655
Um, they are sitting for a very long time.

00:42:02.655 --> 00:42:02.715
Hmm.

00:42:03.465 --> 00:42:08.775
My, you know, middle range houses, um, those are doing okay.

00:42:08.775 --> 00:42:14.146
But I mean, like when I, with my sellers, it's stressful with my buyers, man.

00:42:14.146 --> 00:42:14.835
We are crushing it.

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:17.101
Oh,'cause you're fighting gems.

00:42:17.161 --> 00:42:23.550
Yeah, I just, I I'm gonna close, I'm closing on a deal, um, with a company on Friday.

00:42:23.851 --> 00:42:31.860
Um, and we are gonna close$280,000 under asking price.

00:42:31.891 --> 00:42:31.981
Oh

00:42:31.981 --> 00:42:32.280
boy.

00:42:33.481 --> 00:42:34.561
On a single family?

00:42:34.650 --> 00:42:37.590
No, it's on a, it's actually, it's a, a fire station.

00:42:38.190 --> 00:42:38.791
Okay.

00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:39.090
Yeah.

00:42:39.240 --> 00:42:40.320
So a unique property.

00:42:40.351 --> 00:42:40.710
Yeah.

00:42:40.715 --> 00:42:41.221
It's so unique.

00:42:41.221 --> 00:42:42.331
Property is commercial property.

00:42:42.871 --> 00:42:42.990
Yeah.

00:42:42.990 --> 00:42:43.081
Yep.

00:42:43.170 --> 00:42:46.561
And then I, I had an, I had another client close, but it still

00:42:46.561 --> 00:42:49.561
takes the balls to say we're thinking this number.

00:42:49.561 --> 00:42:50.400
Yeah.

00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:50.701
Yeah.

00:42:52.081 --> 00:42:52.981
That was a tough one.

00:42:53.010 --> 00:42:57.391
Uh, because I, I knew that a, uh, a fire chief was reviewing the offer.

00:42:57.811 --> 00:42:58.021
Right.

00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:01.266
I'm like, uh, I don't wanna be enemies with a fire chief's think.

00:43:01.271 --> 00:43:01.320
Yeah.

00:43:01.351 --> 00:43:13.351
Well, and the funny thing is, is that, you know, the, the business that, that I'm working with, they were very close to some fires many years ago, and this fire department happened to help them a lot.

00:43:15.240 --> 00:43:17.940
Uh, he's like, appreciate you, but still here's my offer.

00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:18.481
Yeah.

00:43:18.481 --> 00:43:23.280
But, well, I mean, it was, it, it wasn't so much that that was what it was worth.

00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.800
It was that that was what they could afford anyways.

00:43:25.951 --> 00:43:26.161
Yeah.

00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:26.911
For that.

00:43:26.911 --> 00:43:27.510
I mean, sometimes

00:43:27.510 --> 00:43:29.911
that, and there's not any more buyers that want it.

00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:30.271
Right.

00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.590
Or at least I can afford it too.

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.460
I had a deal close, um, a single family.

00:43:35.865 --> 00:43:44.985
Home that I was working with the buyer close, and it closed for the same amounts as we the discount for the fire station.

00:43:45.346 --> 00:43:45.405
Oh.

00:43:45.735 --> 00:43:46.635
So right.

00:43:46.846 --> 00:43:47.956
We were like, we were joking.

00:43:47.956 --> 00:43:49.846
We're like, we're like, wow, we got got a house.

00:43:49.851 --> 00:43:50.621
House for free house.

00:43:50.621 --> 00:43:50.740
Yeah.

00:43:50.746 --> 00:43:50.925
Yeah.

00:43:51.255 --> 00:43:52.275
Off of the price of this.

00:43:52.576 --> 00:43:53.565
But yeah, so, so there's

00:43:53.565 --> 00:43:54.735
some deals out there, there

00:43:54.735 --> 00:43:55.965
are deals out there for buyers.

00:43:55.996 --> 00:44:06.826
I've noticed that, that that property on East Mulberry used to, I forget it used to be a Midas or some, some kind of a, a auto shop, but there's got maybe a 10 Bay.

00:44:07.666 --> 00:44:08.025
Oh yeah.

00:44:08.085 --> 00:44:09.525
And that thing's still vacant

00:44:09.585 --> 00:44:11.235
for a while now and

00:44:11.295 --> 00:44:12.255
they're trying to lease it.

00:44:12.615 --> 00:44:13.186
Oh, is that why?

00:44:13.186 --> 00:44:13.755
Or sell

00:44:13.755 --> 00:44:15.376
it for like a god awful amount.

00:44:15.376 --> 00:44:16.186
Oh, I gotcha.

00:44:16.190 --> 00:44:17.266
This company, it's been open

00:44:17.266 --> 00:44:18.135
for a long time.

00:44:18.195 --> 00:44:18.885
So this is some, this, this company

00:44:18.885 --> 00:44:21.960
that I'm talking about, we actually looked at that place that you talking about.

00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:22.081
Gotcha.

00:44:22.081 --> 00:44:22.360
Yeah.

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:22.481
Yeah.

00:44:22.481 --> 00:44:29.775
But yeah, in, in the commercial real estate world, like things are still happening and it's always been kind of a, a long game in that.

00:44:29.835 --> 00:44:30.045
Yeah.

00:44:30.135 --> 00:44:36.615
And, and just to kind of preference, I do work a lot in residential real estate, but I have been focusing a lot more on commercial real estate.

00:44:36.615 --> 00:44:36.735
You have?

00:44:37.070 --> 00:44:37.371
Have Okay.

00:44:37.396 --> 00:44:37.755
Yeah.

00:44:38.146 --> 00:44:38.896
I just like it better.

00:44:38.896 --> 00:44:40.695
There's a lot less emotions and Yeah.

00:44:40.695 --> 00:44:40.706
Yeah.

00:44:41.025 --> 00:44:42.615
Um, it's a little more interesting.

00:44:42.615 --> 00:44:44.056
Properties are a little more unique.

00:44:44.085 --> 00:44:44.416
Yeah.

00:44:44.775 --> 00:44:45.766
It's, it's fun.

00:44:45.795 --> 00:44:45.856
Yeah.

00:44:45.885 --> 00:44:47.056
Um, I dig it.

00:44:47.115 --> 00:44:48.795
It's, it's something that was different.

00:44:48.856 --> 00:44:52.275
Um, I still absolutely love getting my friends into their dream home.

00:44:52.365 --> 00:44:52.666
Sure.

00:44:52.815 --> 00:44:58.695
Or, you know, or, uh, an investment property that they're gonna be, you know, that that's their retirement.

00:44:58.695 --> 00:44:59.056
Yeah.

00:44:59.061 --> 00:44:59.081
Yeah.

00:44:59.476 --> 00:45:00.945
Um, I like to focus a lot on that.

00:45:01.396 --> 00:45:06.106
But, um, yeah, I guess, I guess to to, but doing a bunch

00:45:06.106 --> 00:45:11.596
of open houses, showing houses to first time home buyers all day every day isn't really, I don't like that stuff.

00:45:13.331 --> 00:45:14.530
I mean, I do, I do it.

00:45:14.530 --> 00:45:14.971
You'll do it.

00:45:15.210 --> 00:45:15.490
I do it.

00:45:15.510 --> 00:45:16.090
You'll do it.

00:45:16.371 --> 00:45:16.570
I do.

00:45:16.666 --> 00:45:20.175
I I do an open house every other weekend at least.

00:45:20.295 --> 00:45:22.090
Um, but it's not my favorite.

00:45:22.090 --> 00:45:22.876
I do a damn good job.

00:45:22.876 --> 00:45:23.655
Would I do it?

00:45:23.661 --> 00:45:23.771
Yeah.

00:45:23.985 --> 00:45:27.346
I don't like making reels about, Hey, look how awesome I am.

00:45:27.346 --> 00:45:29.505
I did my job in real estate.

00:45:29.565 --> 00:45:29.956
Yeah.

00:45:30.376 --> 00:45:34.666
The fluff of it is, is you don't have that much fluff in the commercial real estate industry.

00:45:34.666 --> 00:45:36.706
So I kind of like That's good.

00:45:36.766 --> 00:45:37.005
Yeah.

00:45:37.065 --> 00:45:37.485
Yeah.

00:45:37.516 --> 00:45:38.085
Yeah.

00:45:38.775 --> 00:45:42.735
Um, so, so market's stable.

00:45:43.635 --> 00:45:44.175
Interesting.

00:45:44.175 --> 00:45:45.405
Your career is evolving.

00:45:45.405 --> 00:45:48.376
Will you, do you do property management for the commercial properties then too?

00:45:48.556 --> 00:45:49.396
We have a couple.

00:45:49.396 --> 00:45:49.425
Okay.

00:45:49.485 --> 00:45:52.126
Um, that's not really our bread and butter Sure.

00:45:52.126 --> 00:45:59.896
For our property management company, big bear properties, we predominantly, so we're, we're in all of northern Colorado.

00:46:00.436 --> 00:46:04.456
Um, the company originally started in the, um, college area.

00:46:04.545 --> 00:46:04.815
Okay.

00:46:04.815 --> 00:46:05.416
Of Greeley.

00:46:05.626 --> 00:46:05.896
Oh, okay.

00:46:06.106 --> 00:46:06.646
Um,

00:46:07.155 --> 00:46:13.456
we have transitioned into, we're pretty, we have a big, pretty big presence in the college area and around CSU.

00:46:13.456 --> 00:46:13.726
Yeah.

00:46:13.726 --> 00:46:14.626
And Fort Collins now.

00:46:15.016 --> 00:46:18.135
Um, but we also have residential houses just all over the place.

00:46:18.135 --> 00:46:18.530
Gotcha, gotcha.

00:46:18.536 --> 00:46:19.246
Everywhere from wind.

00:46:19.666 --> 00:46:20.445
But your bread and butter

00:46:20.445 --> 00:46:23.130
started with, with college in Greeley started, yeah.

00:46:23.135 --> 00:46:27.106
Started, moved, kind to college in Fort Collins and now kind of expands into.

00:46:28.215 --> 00:46:28.576
Yeah.

00:46:28.606 --> 00:46:29.565
Landlords of all types.

00:46:29.626 --> 00:46:33.326
Big bear is because of the NC Bears.

00:46:33.326 --> 00:46:33.346
Oh, UNC.

00:46:33.346 --> 00:46:34.396
Yeah.

00:46:34.396 --> 00:46:34.407
Yeah.

00:46:34.456 --> 00:46:34.786
Gotcha.

00:46:34.876 --> 00:46:37.186
We purchased the name with the, with the company.

00:46:37.201 --> 00:46:37.490
Yeah.

00:46:37.496 --> 00:46:37.846
Yeah.

00:46:37.846 --> 00:46:41.385
Um, so we, we didn't actually name it, but yeah, that's where it Interesting.

00:46:41.686 --> 00:46:42.795
Answers some questions.

00:46:43.096 --> 00:46:43.365
Yeah.

00:46:44.655 --> 00:46:44.956
Yeah.

00:46:45.465 --> 00:46:46.425
As a, as a bear.

00:46:46.485 --> 00:46:46.606
Yeah.

00:46:46.606 --> 00:46:47.175
I was gonna say it.

00:46:47.175 --> 00:46:48.525
Wondering, I was hoping you didn't,

00:46:49.246 --> 00:46:51.465
we're biting on your style dynamics here, by

00:46:51.465 --> 00:46:51.795
the way.

00:46:52.036 --> 00:46:53.865
I don't come, uh, you don't come in here.

00:46:53.865 --> 00:46:54.646
Uh, ungifted.

00:46:54.646 --> 00:46:55.065
I have.

00:46:55.126 --> 00:46:55.576
All right.

00:46:55.630 --> 00:47:01.545
Uh, for you, uh, uh, a, a note of thanks for coming onto the podcast.

00:47:01.545 --> 00:47:04.516
Uh, suitable for framing all, not really.

00:47:04.786 --> 00:47:07.306
Um, some loco experience, hot sauce.

00:47:07.516 --> 00:47:08.356
Oh, awesome.

00:47:08.865 --> 00:47:09.286
Lot of hot sauce.

00:47:09.286 --> 00:47:12.465
A pair of loco experience, shades and some stickers.

00:47:12.646 --> 00:47:13.126
Alright.

00:47:13.186 --> 00:47:15.195
Oh, and some and, and old school loco.

00:47:15.195 --> 00:47:17.445
Think tank cups.

00:47:17.626 --> 00:47:18.016
Cool.

00:47:18.255 --> 00:47:19.606
Uh, patio cups.

00:47:19.666 --> 00:47:22.606
Well, all I brought were non-alcoholic drinks.

00:47:22.606 --> 00:47:26.115
Those, and, uh, and some stickers, but thank you.

00:47:26.146 --> 00:47:26.775
Uh, okay.

00:47:26.775 --> 00:47:28.065
So lemme see your hot sauce.

00:47:29.686 --> 00:47:30.945
It's a tequila base.

00:47:31.005 --> 00:47:32.956
Um, but I'm pretty sure all the alcohol is,

00:47:33.016 --> 00:47:35.896
but it doesn't have onions or garlic in it.

00:47:36.465 --> 00:47:37.065
Is that right?

00:47:37.155 --> 00:47:37.425
Oh, yeah.

00:47:37.425 --> 00:47:38.715
You don't eat onions or garlic.

00:47:38.746 --> 00:47:41.326
I'm allergic to onions and garlic, so I You're welcome, sir.

00:47:41.326 --> 00:47:41.925
Have this hot sauce.

00:47:41.971 --> 00:47:42.556
I, I will.

00:47:43.126 --> 00:47:47.235
Hey, if this is good enough and we're, you got proof, we can do some, I'm buying a case.

00:47:47.295 --> 00:47:47.746
Okay.

00:47:48.161 --> 00:47:49.036
That was made by

00:47:49.036 --> 00:47:52.936
Zoe's kitchen, uh, down in Loveland, uh, Gabe from Cricket Cup.

00:47:53.266 --> 00:47:53.565
Oh, cool.

00:47:54.706 --> 00:47:57.315
Puts together hot sauces and things like that for folks at times.

00:47:57.465 --> 00:47:57.751
Right on.

00:47:57.751 --> 00:48:00.376
And so as well, I'm baking lots of colos and different things.

00:48:00.436 --> 00:48:02.115
So he made this for you?

00:48:02.146 --> 00:48:02.476
Yep.

00:48:02.476 --> 00:48:05.775
And then I just have leap and lizard labels make me some labels and Oh, cool.

00:48:06.826 --> 00:48:11.715
You know, we've got a little QR code on there if you want to check it out even more or whatever, and things like that.

00:48:11.715 --> 00:48:13.425
So I'm so a collaboration,

00:48:13.456 --> 00:48:15.916
excited Now I want to go eat because I want to try your hot sauce.

00:48:15.916 --> 00:48:17.925
Like I don't, because I'm allergic to garlic.

00:48:18.226 --> 00:48:19.396
Hot sauce is like my favorite.

00:48:19.396 --> 00:48:19.456
It

00:48:19.456 --> 00:48:21.496
always has onions or garlic in it probably, huh.

00:48:21.525 --> 00:48:21.706
Yeah.

00:48:21.766 --> 00:48:22.246
Always interesting.

00:48:22.246 --> 00:48:22.755
Everything.

00:48:22.755 --> 00:48:27.106
There's only like two different kinds, like Louisiana Style Hot Sauce doesn't have it in it.

00:48:27.106 --> 00:48:27.255
Yep,

00:48:27.255 --> 00:48:27.436
yep.

00:48:27.885 --> 00:48:30.195
But every other kind does.

00:48:30.255 --> 00:48:33.226
Your eyes must be better than mine if you were able to scan that label that fast.

00:48:33.255 --> 00:48:37.576
Yeah, my ears are, they're very well tuned, like looking for onions and garlic.

00:48:37.755 --> 00:48:40.606
My, well, my ears are pretty shot, but my eyes work pretty well.

00:48:40.606 --> 00:48:40.695
Right.

00:48:41.505 --> 00:48:54.646
So I feel, um, that we should talk, uh, kind of, well, I guess first before, like you mentioned kind of moving into commercial, is there other things, do you want to have a team of realtors at BBP Realty?

00:48:54.795 --> 00:48:55.096
I do.

00:48:55.306 --> 00:48:58.815
Um, that's, that's gonna be my, my major driving force of next year.

00:48:58.876 --> 00:48:59.175
Okay.

00:48:59.235 --> 00:49:05.835
And you'll continue to be residential and commercial or will most of those new, was it Jake or something?

00:49:05.865 --> 00:49:07.186
Uh, young man that's working.

00:49:07.186 --> 00:49:07.530
Joey, Joey.

00:49:07.606 --> 00:49:07.965
Joey.

00:49:07.996 --> 00:49:09.376
Joey, Joey, the new kid.

00:49:09.376 --> 00:49:10.726
Those Joey, the new kid.

00:49:10.726 --> 00:49:12.106
Another is to follow.

00:49:12.615 --> 00:49:18.315
Will kind of be mostly focused residential'cause that's kind of the broader market, easier to enter, learn from.

00:49:18.405 --> 00:49:18.976
Yes.

00:49:19.005 --> 00:49:19.485
Yes.

00:49:19.485 --> 00:49:21.016
That, that is, yes.

00:49:21.016 --> 00:49:21.465
You nailed it.

00:49:21.766 --> 00:49:22.335
Um, and you can kind

00:49:22.335 --> 00:49:26.985
of be a mentor and, and teach'em what not to do a little bit and stuff?

00:49:26.985 --> 00:49:28.606
Or is that part of the package or is that

00:49:28.606 --> 00:49:29.445
would be part of the package?

00:49:29.445 --> 00:49:29.686
Yes.

00:49:29.746 --> 00:49:36.496
So what I would like to do is, uh, you know, have a few new realtors, new li newly licensed realtors.

00:49:36.496 --> 00:49:36.675
Yeah.

00:49:36.916 --> 00:49:43.545
Um, and that I, I would kind of prefer if it's mostly people that like I'm friends with who I know who like, yeah.

00:49:43.786 --> 00:49:44.626
We vibe really well.

00:49:44.626 --> 00:49:45.195
You're a longtime

00:49:45.195 --> 00:49:49.726
friends kid or nephew or something that just graduated and wants to get into the business.

00:49:49.755 --> 00:49:50.085
Yeah.

00:49:50.085 --> 00:49:51.856
Something, something to that tune.

00:49:51.916 --> 00:49:56.266
Um, but I also want to start bringing in a lot more seasoned veterans.

00:49:56.295 --> 00:49:56.536
Okay.

00:49:56.565 --> 00:50:00.016
Um, and then them be bringing in more people.

00:50:00.045 --> 00:50:00.376
Gotcha.

00:50:00.376 --> 00:50:07.155
Because the package that we offer at BBP Realty is, I mean, I undercut most of the brokerages.

00:50:07.155 --> 00:50:07.246
Right.

00:50:07.275 --> 00:50:08.655
It's a lot less expensive.

00:50:08.655 --> 00:50:16.155
We also have like bonuses for the agents who Bri who recruit, um, you know, each, they get a per deal.

00:50:16.155 --> 00:50:16.425
Sure.

00:50:16.786 --> 00:50:16.965
Yep.

00:50:16.965 --> 00:50:17.146
Yep.

00:50:17.146 --> 00:50:17.416
And whatnot.

00:50:17.476 --> 00:50:24.675
We have quite the structure, but we haven't really implemented it yet because this is the first full year of BBP Realty.

00:50:24.735 --> 00:50:25.005
Right.

00:50:25.275 --> 00:50:31.726
And in that year, I really wanted to make sure that I was, I was not overstepping Yeah.

00:50:31.815 --> 00:50:35.925
You know, not, not not going too far above and beyond because I'm also, I'm really.

00:50:36.436 --> 00:50:38.385
Busy in my own business now.

00:50:38.981 --> 00:50:39.061
Yeah.

00:50:39.061 --> 00:50:39.260
I would imagine.

00:50:39.266 --> 00:50:39.615
Yeah.

00:50:39.735 --> 00:50:42.826
You know, um, and I wanted to make sure that I had the time for that.

00:50:42.826 --> 00:50:42.885
Yeah.

00:50:43.036 --> 00:50:45.856
And I, I feel like next year that's, that's cool.

00:50:45.945 --> 00:50:46.606
That's my ambition.

00:50:46.666 --> 00:50:46.876
I dig it.

00:50:46.876 --> 00:50:47.746
That's what I want to do, you know?

00:50:47.746 --> 00:50:48.045
All right.

00:50:48.556 --> 00:50:48.856
So,

00:50:48.976 --> 00:50:49.516
so fun.

00:50:49.606 --> 00:50:53.956
It's, uh, it's, it's neat to have that vision for taking the next step.

00:50:54.016 --> 00:50:54.315
Yeah.

00:50:54.706 --> 00:50:55.215
You know?

00:50:55.516 --> 00:51:02.295
Um, and will you continue to do, you'll just do mortgages for your clients or any BBP Realty clients would maybe be eligible?

00:51:02.295 --> 00:51:05.835
Do you do standalone mortgages for people that aren't buying or managing with you?

00:51:05.835 --> 00:51:05.956
Yeah,

00:51:06.226 --> 00:51:07.545
I work with a lot of other agents.

00:51:07.545 --> 00:51:07.576
Okay.

00:51:07.606 --> 00:51:07.905
Yeah.

00:51:07.905 --> 00:51:11.835
So I, I work with a lot of, I, I have a few agents that I work

00:51:11.835 --> 00:51:12.766
with, other kind of indies.

00:51:13.246 --> 00:51:13.635
Yeah.

00:51:14.056 --> 00:51:14.536
Yeah.

00:51:14.835 --> 00:51:15.376
A little bit.

00:51:15.496 --> 00:51:16.036
Yeah, totally.

00:51:16.096 --> 00:51:16.516
Yeah.

00:51:16.516 --> 00:51:23.115
Um, you know, folks that they, they don't necessarily, they want somebody who will communicate really well.

00:51:23.115 --> 00:51:23.175
Yeah.

00:51:23.206 --> 00:51:25.936
And they love the fact that I always answer my phone.

00:51:26.056 --> 00:51:29.235
That, or at least, at least I call them back pretty quickly.

00:51:29.295 --> 00:51:29.715
Yeah.

00:51:29.715 --> 00:51:29.726
Yeah.

00:51:29.896 --> 00:51:31.666
Um, and, uh.

00:51:32.295 --> 00:51:37.786
You know, I'm not a part of a bank and so I don't have all the guidelines that the bank has.

00:51:37.786 --> 00:51:49.096
I don't have, you know, all, all the people taking in from all these things and, you know, maybe I make a little bit less than some other, like, per deal, I make a little bit less, but it makes other people happy.

00:51:49.275 --> 00:51:49.425
Yeah.

00:51:49.786 --> 00:51:56.025
Um, but I can, I can kind of trim that out and I like that about being, being sort of an independent Yeah.

00:51:56.030 --> 00:51:56.041
Yeah.

00:51:56.445 --> 00:51:56.686
I dig it.

00:51:56.715 --> 00:52:04.065
Um, but uh, yeah, I do do the mortgages for just about anybody that wants one.

00:52:04.126 --> 00:52:04.396
Yeah.

00:52:04.396 --> 00:52:05.956
So if you want mortgage, are you an a

00:52:05.956 --> 00:52:06.976
DD kind of guy?

00:52:06.976 --> 00:52:08.085
Like it's easy for you to

00:52:08.085 --> 00:52:10.096
do lots of different things at the same time.

00:52:10.096 --> 00:52:10.275
Super.

00:52:10.275 --> 00:52:18.465
A DDI, I would say that we've like judging just from this conversation, we both, oh yeah, we both world class SPR chaser.

00:52:18.826 --> 00:52:19.126
Yeah.

00:52:19.606 --> 00:52:21.865
Although for my own sanity, I've tried to do a.

00:52:22.411 --> 00:52:26.010
Less many things, but maybe it would be better for me to do more many things.

00:52:26.010 --> 00:52:26.460
I don't know.

00:52:26.610 --> 00:52:29.760
It wasn't so much that I was like trying to trace so many squirrels.

00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.371
It was that these opportunities sort of presented themselves.

00:52:32.371 --> 00:52:32.431
Yeah.

00:52:32.431 --> 00:52:38.041
And like what, what really happened was when there was the refinance boom a few years back.

00:52:38.221 --> 00:52:38.460
Right.

00:52:38.490 --> 00:52:38.760
I was

00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:43.981
sending out a bunch of refinances to one of my buddies, tens of thousands of dollars of my old college roommate Yeah.

00:52:43.981 --> 00:52:44.041
Of

00:52:44.041 --> 00:52:46.351
mortgage, uh, fees and opportunities.

00:52:46.351 --> 00:52:46.590
Yeah.

00:52:46.590 --> 00:52:50.041
He said, he said one day he said, you know, I really appreciate all the business.

00:52:50.041 --> 00:52:52.320
He said, but you threw away about 85 grand this year.

00:52:52.411 --> 00:52:54.630
And I said, that's a lot.

00:52:55.411 --> 00:52:55.920
Right.

00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:57.570
That's like more than I made.

00:52:57.570 --> 00:52:57.900
Yeah.

00:52:57.900 --> 00:53:02.610
He said, here's a link to mortgage, uh, licensing classes.

00:53:02.610 --> 00:53:02.670
Yeah.

00:53:02.731 --> 00:53:04.951
And you can hang your license with me, with our company.

00:53:05.010 --> 00:53:05.311
Nice.

00:53:05.490 --> 00:53:09.181
And, uh, the company, edge Home Finance that I work with now, um.

00:53:09.826 --> 00:53:11.266
They were very small.

00:53:11.626 --> 00:53:11.746
Yeah.

00:53:11.746 --> 00:53:13.335
It was him and two other guys.

00:53:13.396 --> 00:53:13.786
Oh, cool.

00:53:14.025 --> 00:53:16.306
Um, or three, maybe three other.

00:53:16.306 --> 00:53:18.016
Anyways, it was, it was a small company.

00:53:18.106 --> 00:53:22.695
Now it's the, uh, second largest mortgage brokerage company in the country.

00:53:22.726 --> 00:53:23.266
Wow.

00:53:23.326 --> 00:53:23.596
Yeah.

00:53:23.596 --> 00:53:24.525
And highest producing.

00:53:24.525 --> 00:53:25.126
Holy crap.

00:53:25.126 --> 00:53:27.106
Where and where is that based outta out of Minnesota.

00:53:27.255 --> 00:53:27.646
Okay.

00:53:27.766 --> 00:53:28.096
Yeah.

00:53:28.155 --> 00:53:28.606
Interesting.

00:53:28.846 --> 00:53:30.795
Randomly, I am happy.

00:53:30.795 --> 00:53:31.096
Be friends.

00:53:31.096 --> 00:53:32.416
I was born in Minnesota.

00:53:32.445 --> 00:53:32.626
Okay.

00:53:32.985 --> 00:53:34.576
Um, my ex college.

00:53:34.581 --> 00:53:35.385
Should we, should we go back there?

00:53:35.476 --> 00:53:35.715
Huh?

00:53:35.775 --> 00:53:35.985
Like, I

00:53:35.985 --> 00:53:40.096
feel like we kind of beat the mortgage conversation that we always jump in the time machine.

00:53:40.155 --> 00:53:40.485
Sure.

00:53:40.545 --> 00:53:41.356
So let's just do it.

00:53:41.445 --> 00:53:42.306
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:42.525 --> 00:53:42.826
Okay.

00:53:43.005 --> 00:53:44.206
What town in Minnesota?

00:53:44.655 --> 00:53:49.635
Uh, I was born in Burnsville, well, I guess it was Burnsville was born in, just

00:53:49.635 --> 00:53:51.346
across the road, basically from Fargo.

00:53:51.405 --> 00:53:51.706
Right.

00:53:51.885 --> 00:53:56.925
Uh, I don't actually know the geography of Burnsville.

00:53:57.076 --> 00:53:57.585
It's near Edina.

00:53:58.396 --> 00:53:58.936
Oh, okay.

00:53:59.021 --> 00:53:59.626
No, no.

00:53:59.626 --> 00:54:00.856
That's done by Twin Cities then.

00:54:00.885 --> 00:54:02.666
Yeah, it's, I was gonna say, I think it's suburb.

00:54:02.666 --> 00:54:02.681
Okay.

00:54:02.681 --> 00:54:03.760
It's a suburb of Minneapolis.

00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:05.085
Suburb of Minneapolis.

00:54:05.085 --> 00:54:10.306
There's a, there's a bee named town on the Minnesota side somewhere close to Fargo.

00:54:10.306 --> 00:54:10.335
Okay.

00:54:10.335 --> 00:54:11.596
But it isn't Burnsville clearly.

00:54:11.626 --> 00:54:11.715
Okay.

00:54:11.715 --> 00:54:11.956
Wait,

00:54:11.956 --> 00:54:12.675
is that where you're from?

00:54:12.826 --> 00:54:14.115
Well, I went to college in Fargo.

00:54:14.206 --> 00:54:14.565
Oh, okay.

00:54:14.565 --> 00:54:15.766
I grew up in North Dakota.

00:54:15.976 --> 00:54:16.876
Right on jamestown.

00:54:16.876 --> 00:54:17.896
Hundred miles west of there.

00:54:17.896 --> 00:54:18.735
So, nice.

00:54:18.795 --> 00:54:21.106
So I've been all around Minnesota too.

00:54:21.166 --> 00:54:21.376
Sure.

00:54:21.376 --> 00:54:22.215
Exploring the world.

00:54:22.695 --> 00:54:22.965
Yeah.

00:54:22.965 --> 00:54:25.246
We, um, so you're Twin Cities suburb kid.

00:54:25.246 --> 00:54:25.396
Twin

00:54:25.396 --> 00:54:26.385
city suburb.

00:54:26.385 --> 00:54:29.806
I was, well, I was only there until I was like six months old, and then we, so let's go to

00:54:29.806 --> 00:54:30.916
where you grew up a little more.

00:54:31.005 --> 00:54:33.766
We, well, it's, this is gonna be a long story.

00:54:34.545 --> 00:54:36.496
So then we moved to Massachusetts.

00:54:36.496 --> 00:54:38.295
I was there until I was in the first grade.

00:54:38.356 --> 00:54:38.775
Okay.

00:54:39.135 --> 00:54:40.096
In the first grade.

00:54:40.155 --> 00:54:42.076
We moved to El Paso, Texas.

00:54:42.436 --> 00:54:46.996
Where the, that would be where like most of my like Yeah.

00:54:47.085 --> 00:54:48.525
Growing up did turning into John.

00:54:48.675 --> 00:54:49.036
Yeah.

00:54:49.036 --> 00:54:49.485
I was And what,

00:54:49.485 --> 00:54:51.945
what, what takes you from Massachusetts to El Paso?

00:54:51.945 --> 00:54:53.596
That seems like an, is it military?

00:54:53.835 --> 00:54:55.126
Uh, no, it's always the first question.

00:54:55.126 --> 00:54:55.516
Sales.

00:54:55.516 --> 00:54:56.025
Something.

00:54:56.085 --> 00:54:59.206
My dad was a corporate business.

00:54:59.266 --> 00:54:59.655
Okay.

00:54:59.655 --> 00:55:00.585
Guy sales

00:55:00.735 --> 00:55:01.846
for Pace pic huh?

00:55:02.025 --> 00:55:04.306
Or something like what's in El El Paso?

00:55:04.365 --> 00:55:07.335
Uh, well, it's actually, it's not what's in El Paso.

00:55:07.365 --> 00:55:10.396
It's what's in Juarez, Mexico across the Oh, okay.

00:55:10.456 --> 00:55:10.876
Way.

00:55:10.876 --> 00:55:13.155
He worked for a company called General Instrument.

00:55:13.215 --> 00:55:13.485
Okay.

00:55:13.485 --> 00:55:21.405
General Instrument had their, um, uh, a quila door, which is, um, Spanish for, uh, factory.

00:55:21.675 --> 00:55:21.916
Okay.

00:55:21.916 --> 00:55:27.795
And they built, uh, dashboards for cars and being.

00:55:28.231 --> 00:55:30.065
20 minutes away from the Yeah, yeah.

00:55:30.121 --> 00:55:30.690
The border.

00:55:30.690 --> 00:55:35.701
It was a quality control and different fraction of the price to, to build over there.

00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:36.061
Yeah.

00:55:36.061 --> 00:55:36.070
Yeah.

00:55:36.121 --> 00:55:38.581
So he was the president of, of that Wow.

00:55:38.581 --> 00:55:39.300
For a while.

00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:39.780
Okay.

00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:47.731
And, uh, then we ended up my, well my, my parents split and my dad moved to New York.

00:55:47.731 --> 00:55:48.960
My mom stayed in El Paso.

00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.420
I moved to New York with my dad then.

00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:51.811
And when is

00:55:51.811 --> 00:55:52.561
this circa,

00:55:52.650 --> 00:55:58.590
this would be when I was a sophomore in, so I was, I was in El Paso until I was a, until I was a freshman in high school.

00:55:58.590 --> 00:56:01.351
Then my sophomore year was in Long Island, New York.

00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:04.380
My junior year was in Grand Blanc, Michigan.

00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:06.960
My senior year was in Greensboro, in North Carolina.

00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:17.911
Then when I was like 21, I moved back to El Paso for a couple years, then here, then to Alaska, then back here, uh, back to Alaska, back here.

00:56:17.911 --> 00:56:19.981
And then, uh, tell me

00:56:19.981 --> 00:56:20.911
about El Paso.

00:56:21.331 --> 00:56:21.840
El Paso.

00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:26.311
Like you were, I guess probably a child of some privilege, uh, in that situation.

00:56:26.311 --> 00:56:29.880
'cause your dad was the president of a up and coming company or whatever.

00:56:29.971 --> 00:56:31.260
Yeah, we lived in a nice neighborhood.

00:56:31.291 --> 00:56:31.590
Right.

00:56:31.710 --> 00:56:33.451
Um, went to a good school.

00:56:34.036 --> 00:56:35.835
W uh, I went to public school.

00:56:36.025 --> 00:56:36.315
Okay.

00:56:36.666 --> 00:56:37.715
Yeah, I went to public school.

00:56:37.715 --> 00:56:38.516
Wasn't that good of a school?

00:56:38.856 --> 00:56:40.471
No, it wasn't that good of a school at all.

00:56:40.501 --> 00:56:50.161
Um, it was, uh, the, I have a, I have a, a permanent mold allergy because our school was riddled with black mold.

00:56:50.161 --> 00:56:50.791
Oh, no shit.

00:56:50.851 --> 00:56:51.481
Uh, yeah.

00:56:52.501 --> 00:57:00.451
And, uh, I, you know, being a tall, lanky white kid, I got my ass kicked by the gangs in the school all the time.

00:57:00.570 --> 00:57:00.931
Um,

00:57:01.201 --> 00:57:02.490
mostly all Hispanic.

00:57:02.701 --> 00:57:03.630
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:03.661 --> 00:57:07.195
No blacks to speak of in the, no, it was population in El Paso.

00:57:07.201 --> 00:57:09.481
I know like Houston and Dallas are very high percentage black.

00:57:09.510 --> 00:57:09.690
Right.

00:57:09.721 --> 00:57:10.436
Not El Paso.

00:57:10.505 --> 00:57:10.806
Just El

00:57:10.806 --> 00:57:14.161
Paso is, you're either white or you're, or you're Mexican, Latino, Mexican, and that's it.

00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:14.701
Okay.

00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.471
Um, there, well, I guess there are, there are quite a few native people, but Sure.

00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:25.530
Um, well, a lot of mixes with the, the Mexican and the native populations or whatever, right.

00:57:25.590 --> 00:57:25.981
Yeah.

00:57:25.981 --> 00:57:36.090
So, um, uh, but um, that really taught me a lot about, you know, being a multicultural person and appreciating all of that.

00:57:36.150 --> 00:57:36.271
Did

00:57:36.271 --> 00:57:38.731
they whip some sense into you over time or?

00:57:39.001 --> 00:57:44.251
They did, but you know, I mean, the thing was is, you know, on Sundays I would go over to my friend's.

00:57:44.806 --> 00:57:46.425
Uh, grandmother's houses.

00:57:46.726 --> 00:57:47.115
Yeah.

00:57:47.115 --> 00:57:50.481
And it was, you know, tamales and like, it was all the, the, yeah.

00:57:50.485 --> 00:57:50.686
Yeah.

00:57:50.686 --> 00:57:53.385
Mexican, um, weekend food and Sure.

00:57:53.476 --> 00:57:56.956
It was the greatest thing ever, you know, and like the family vibe of all that.

00:57:56.956 --> 00:57:57.016
Yeah.

00:57:57.016 --> 00:58:02.356
Really taught me a lot more because like, you know, with a lot of white people, like families are distant.

00:58:02.445 --> 00:58:02.835
Yeah.

00:58:02.835 --> 00:58:03.440
And, and,

00:58:03.795 --> 00:58:05.835
and you don't have a lot of that.

00:58:05.835 --> 00:58:08.295
I mean, maybe it's not just white, maybe just American people.

00:58:08.295 --> 00:58:08.505
Yeah.

00:58:09.016 --> 00:58:09.496
Um, well,

00:58:09.496 --> 00:58:14.565
and, and it's less and less for us, you know, and, and, um, people are a

00:58:14.565 --> 00:58:16.905
lot more white people are a lot more independent, I think.

00:58:16.905 --> 00:58:17.581
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:17.585 --> 00:58:17.956
Yeah.

00:58:18.016 --> 00:58:22.396
And I loved the family aspects of, of those cultures.

00:58:22.815 --> 00:58:32.025
And then when I, when I lived in North Carolina, um, I lived on my own, me and my roommate, we lived in the hood Okay.

00:58:32.536 --> 00:58:34.036
Because we were, we were broke.

00:58:34.065 --> 00:58:34.606
Yeah.

00:58:34.606 --> 00:58:36.945
And, uh, so yeah, we lived in the hood.

00:58:36.945 --> 00:58:37.936
This is after New York?

00:58:38.025 --> 00:58:38.896
This is after, yeah.

00:58:38.896 --> 00:58:40.965
So we went to New York, then Michigan.

00:58:40.965 --> 00:58:42.076
I was only there for a year.

00:58:42.076 --> 00:58:44.056
And then we went to, I went to North Carolina.

00:58:44.056 --> 00:58:45.106
But you moved out by then?

00:58:45.106 --> 00:58:47.655
And I graduated, I graduated high school in North Carolina.

00:58:47.775 --> 00:58:48.016
Okay.

00:58:48.016 --> 00:58:51.405
I, as a senior in, in North Carolina, moved out, got the cheapest apartment you could find.

00:58:51.496 --> 00:58:52.735
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:53.235 --> 00:58:54.885
Got the cheapest apartment we could find.

00:58:54.916 --> 00:58:55.786
We lived there.

00:58:55.936 --> 00:59:00.646
Um, and the funny thing was is, is me and my, my roommate, we.

00:59:02.235 --> 00:59:05.710
Well, we, we took acid one time and we were just one time.

00:59:05.940 --> 00:59:06.231
Yeah.

00:59:06.231 --> 00:59:14.655
We can, this one, this one time, this one time that we took acid, we, uh, we decided we wanted to investigate all of the different churches.

00:59:14.775 --> 00:59:16.186
Um,'cause it was like a Saturday night.

00:59:16.186 --> 00:59:16.275
Sure.

00:59:16.275 --> 00:59:18.465
And we were like, tomorrow, like, we're gonna go to a church.

00:59:18.465 --> 00:59:18.735
Right.

00:59:18.735 --> 00:59:21.016
I dig it and we're gonna go to a different one each weekend.

00:59:21.016 --> 00:59:24.856
And we, we, we did for quite a while and we Did you take acid

00:59:24.856 --> 00:59:25.545
before each visit?

00:59:25.576 --> 00:59:25.846
No.

00:59:25.936 --> 00:59:26.416
Oh, okay.

00:59:26.416 --> 00:59:28.456
That was just where the idea came from.

00:59:28.456 --> 00:59:28.525
That was where the idea came from.

00:59:28.525 --> 00:59:28.576
Okay.

00:59:28.755 --> 00:59:29.326
Oh my God.

00:59:29.411 --> 00:59:37.425
The, the, the first time that we did it, like we were still kind of like going and that was a mistake, but, but we kept doing it.

00:59:37.425 --> 00:59:38.865
We went to like a Jewish synagogue.

00:59:38.865 --> 00:59:41.235
We went to like, we went to quite a few churches, Southern

00:59:41.235 --> 00:59:43.576
Baptist and you know, the Catholics, all that

00:59:43.635 --> 00:59:45.405
we did, we went to all of those.

00:59:45.436 --> 00:59:48.346
Um, and it was a fantastic experience.

00:59:48.346 --> 00:59:56.715
But we went to a Black Gospel church and afterwards they invited us to a barbecue and, sorry, cookout.

00:59:56.985 --> 00:59:57.856
They invited us to a cook.

00:59:57.856 --> 00:59:58.695
You don't call it a barbecue.

00:59:58.695 --> 00:59:58.996
Okay.

00:59:58.996 --> 00:59:59.385
Yeah.

00:59:59.385 --> 00:59:59.565
Cookout.

00:59:59.565 --> 01:00:04.306
But they invite us to a cookout and they fed us and then they sent us home with Tupperwares.

01:00:04.335 --> 01:00:09.436
You know, like it was, there was so much food and we went home with just like, buckets of food.

01:00:09.436 --> 01:00:10.726
So Did you join the gospel church?

01:00:11.206 --> 01:00:12.916
We, we, we ba we kept going back,

01:00:14.295 --> 01:00:14.806
I take it,

01:00:14.865 --> 01:00:20.445
but then we realized that like everybody in our, in our apartment complex, like half the people, they went to that church too.

01:00:20.536 --> 01:00:20.835
Oh wow.

01:00:20.896 --> 01:00:27.376
And we, we, we went from being the, the white kids that got robbed a few times to being part of the community.

01:00:27.436 --> 01:00:27.675
Yeah.

01:00:27.706 --> 01:00:27.945
Cool.

01:00:28.005 --> 01:00:29.085
And it was awesome.

01:00:29.235 --> 01:00:29.476
Yeah.

01:00:29.476 --> 01:00:35.956
You know, it was, it was, it was great because then all of a sudden it was like, you realize like the community is a family vibe.

01:00:35.985 --> 01:00:36.735
Yeah.

01:00:36.856 --> 01:00:42.766
Well, and to be invited into a community, whether it's a church or frankly a local think tank chapter.

01:00:42.826 --> 01:00:43.215
Yeah.

01:00:43.306 --> 01:00:47.115
Or a, a club, a rotary club or something.

01:00:47.115 --> 01:00:49.996
Even to work at my realty office for young Joey.

01:00:49.996 --> 01:00:50.295
Right.

01:00:50.295 --> 01:00:50.476
Sure.

01:00:51.045 --> 01:00:52.996
Um, it, it feels nice.

01:00:52.996 --> 01:00:53.326
It does.

01:00:53.385 --> 01:01:00.885
You know, Ava's sitting out here right now and she was talking about her and her friends are contemplating like, moving somewhere together.

01:01:00.885 --> 01:01:10.516
She's got four girlfriends that are like her besties, that are her roommates and they're like, should we just move to Denver and get a place and figure out how to get jobs there?

01:01:10.545 --> 01:01:12.675
Because we might just wanna stay together.

01:01:12.675 --> 01:01:12.856
You know?

01:01:12.856 --> 01:01:17.266
I don't wanna just move away somewhere and lose all of my friends.

01:01:17.326 --> 01:01:17.385
Yeah.

01:01:17.385 --> 01:01:18.135
As much as.

01:01:18.661 --> 01:01:19.081
Yeah.

01:01:19.231 --> 01:01:23.641
I gave, so I, I've, I've done that quite a few times.

01:01:23.641 --> 01:01:23.701
Yeah.

01:01:23.701 --> 01:01:24.331
In my life.

01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:36.090
Um, not just when I was with my, my dad, but when I came back, when I went back to El Paso and then when I moved here and when I moved to Alaska, I, I just, I just did it to do it.

01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:36.601
Yeah.

01:01:36.690 --> 01:01:38.130
You know, and that's great thing.

01:01:38.130 --> 01:01:38.731
You should totally.

01:01:38.731 --> 01:01:40.385
If if she's listening, you should do it.

01:01:40.385 --> 01:01:41.431
She's, well, she should be make the move.

01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:42.210
Yeah.

01:01:42.601 --> 01:01:43.021
I dig it.

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:47.400
Um, tell me about Alaska, what was that like, fishing opportunities or something?

01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.291
Yeah, I was a commercial fisherman in Alaska.

01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:49.351
Okay.

01:01:49.771 --> 01:01:50.340
Um,

01:01:50.550 --> 01:01:50.880
I,

01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:51.451
salmon.

01:01:51.976 --> 01:01:53.115
Uh, no I didn't.

01:01:53.115 --> 01:01:53.536
Crabs.

01:01:53.806 --> 01:01:54.706
I think we did crab.

01:01:54.766 --> 01:01:55.666
Okay.

01:01:55.666 --> 01:01:55.695
We did cod.

01:01:55.846 --> 01:01:56.146
Okay.

01:01:56.206 --> 01:02:01.306
Um, and then I also, I worked, we did halibut and Okay.

01:02:01.755 --> 01:02:02.626
We did tender.

01:02:02.626 --> 01:02:06.525
We, our boat was really big, so we tendered for salmon fishermen.

01:02:06.916 --> 01:02:07.126
Oh.

01:02:07.186 --> 01:02:10.425
Like you hauled their, hauled their catch catch back for'em kind of thing.

01:02:10.545 --> 01:02:10.726
Whatever.

01:02:10.726 --> 01:02:11.626
Brought groceries.

01:02:11.715 --> 01:02:12.135
Gotcha.

01:02:12.141 --> 01:02:12.431
Water, fuel.

01:02:12.496 --> 01:02:12.945
Okay.

01:02:12.945 --> 01:02:13.365
Interesting.

01:02:13.365 --> 01:02:13.666
Water watering.

01:02:13.666 --> 01:02:14.326
Gotcha, gotcha.

01:02:14.476 --> 01:02:14.835
Yeah.

01:02:14.835 --> 01:02:20.356
Um, the larger boats, like those like the bearing sea crabbers that you see on, on deadliest catch

01:02:20.476 --> 01:02:20.775
Yeah.

01:02:20.865 --> 01:02:26.175
In the summertime or when they're like on off season, they'll keep working and they do that kind of work.

01:02:26.596 --> 01:02:26.896
Yeah.

01:02:26.896 --> 01:02:27.135
Yeah.

01:02:27.141 --> 01:02:29.715
They almost like a merchant marine vessel or something during those peak Yeah.

01:02:29.715 --> 01:02:30.166
Periods.

01:02:30.170 --> 01:02:30.271
Yeah.

01:02:30.271 --> 01:02:30.675
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:30.675 --> 01:02:31.306
Kind of a little bit.

01:02:31.306 --> 01:02:34.456
I mean, sort of, but yeah, it's, it, it's a similar idea.

01:02:34.516 --> 01:02:34.726
Yeah.

01:02:34.726 --> 01:02:37.485
Like you, you give'em orders, you give'em, you know, this and that.

01:02:37.485 --> 01:02:37.576
Good

01:02:37.576 --> 01:02:39.376
systems for ordering this and that, whatever.

01:02:39.376 --> 01:02:39.436
Yeah.

01:02:39.496 --> 01:02:42.106
I mean, they're, they would, they would keep us out at sea.

01:02:42.255 --> 01:02:42.585
Yeah.

01:02:42.646 --> 01:02:54.195
Which sucked sometimes, but like, sometimes, you know, it was good because like we have to, the, the, the fuel, the cost of fuel comes off the top right before we get paid.

01:02:54.556 --> 01:02:55.186
Oh, really?

01:02:55.275 --> 01:02:55.726
Interesting.

01:02:55.786 --> 01:02:55.846
Yeah.

01:02:55.846 --> 01:02:58.965
Oh, so they, they run it just like a, like a little independent business.

01:02:58.965 --> 01:03:01.485
They know what their cost of fuel is and groceries too.

01:03:01.485 --> 01:03:04.005
There's the value of the fish that we can sell it for and all that.

01:03:04.005 --> 01:03:05.206
And here's what you guys ate.

01:03:05.476 --> 01:03:05.746
Yep.

01:03:06.016 --> 01:03:08.985
You freaking, and talk to me about that lifestyle a little bit.

01:03:09.255 --> 01:03:11.655
Like, I guess first, how did you get into it?

01:03:11.655 --> 01:03:15.076
Was it like, you know, back of a magazine ad come to Alaska for fishing?

01:03:15.076 --> 01:03:17.715
Or did somebody, you know, sign up for it or like.

01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:20.311
What was the circumstance in your life?

01:03:20.311 --> 01:03:22.110
You were in a, in a free agent chapter?

01:03:22.170 --> 01:03:22.800
Yeah.

01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:23.190
Um, girlfriend

01:03:23.190 --> 01:03:24.690
broke up with me, so I was like, screw it.

01:03:24.690 --> 01:03:26.701
I'm moving to Alaska and becoming a fisherman.

01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:27.061
Yeah.

01:03:27.061 --> 01:03:27.811
You nailed it.

01:03:29.490 --> 01:03:40.681
So I was at a party, my buddy Lafe had, um, been telling me, I, I had, I had talked to, I talked to somebody who was telling me about when they were a crab fisherman in Alaska Okay.

01:03:40.681 --> 01:03:41.760
And how much money they'd made.

01:03:42.271 --> 01:03:48.271
And then I went to a party one night and my buddy was telling me he had just gotten back from Alaska and he did salmon fishing.

01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:48.630
Okay.

01:03:48.690 --> 01:03:50.400
And he had, you know, pot

01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:50.911
full of money.

01:03:51.090 --> 01:03:51.630
Yeah.

01:03:51.630 --> 01:03:55.351
You know, and we, we were drinking, we were drinking his booze that night.

01:03:55.561 --> 01:03:56.221
You know what I mean?

01:03:56.221 --> 01:03:57.541
Like, he's like, oh, I don't care.

01:03:57.541 --> 01:04:04.530
I mean, I came back with like$60,000, like, you know, he is hood rich and, uh, hood rich.

01:04:04.561 --> 01:04:04.951
Yeah.

01:04:04.951 --> 01:04:09.780
So we, uh, he told me about it and then I was like, all right, like, I like this idea.

01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:11.101
Like, I kind of wanna look into this.

01:04:11.490 --> 01:04:14.760
My girlfriend broke over with me and then I was like, I'm really looking into this.

01:04:15.541 --> 01:04:18.210
I was working at a music venue here in Fort Collins.

01:04:18.481 --> 01:04:19.471
It was called The Starlight.

01:04:19.681 --> 01:04:20.101
Oh, sure.

01:04:20.371 --> 01:04:21.570
I got fired.

01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:22.260
Um, okay.

01:04:22.561 --> 01:04:26.760
Because I booked hippie jam band music.

01:04:26.911 --> 01:04:27.061
Oh.

01:04:27.210 --> 01:04:32.880
And the new owner of the place didn't like the music that I booked, and he was a junkie.

01:04:33.630 --> 01:04:33.751
Okay.

01:04:33.871 --> 01:04:34.891
And he fired me.

01:04:35.155 --> 01:04:35.396
Interesting.

01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.831
And I just so happened to have made enough money.

01:04:38.175 --> 01:04:41.835
To buy a ticket and have some, some extra cash when I got there.

01:04:41.835 --> 01:04:41.985
And

01:04:42.106 --> 01:04:42.465
that's fun.

01:04:42.496 --> 01:04:45.916
I was like, all right, I'm gonna go to Alaska and I'm gonna try this out.

01:04:45.976 --> 01:04:46.246
Yeah.

01:04:46.425 --> 01:04:54.286
So I, I went up there and then I almost, I, I was trying to find a job and I couldn't find a job fishing, and I was gonna go to the oil fields.

01:04:54.376 --> 01:04:54.795
Oh, wow.

01:04:54.916 --> 01:04:59.030
But then I found a job at a cannery and Andry in Kodiak, Alaska.

01:04:59.690 --> 01:05:02.476
Um, and boy, that job sucks.

01:05:03.315 --> 01:05:04.246
It wasn't worth the trip.

01:05:04.365 --> 01:05:07.126
You're just weighing fish and you're just handing it off.

01:05:07.126 --> 01:05:11.985
And like, I worked from 6:00 PM to 6:00 AM Uta seven days a week.

01:05:12.016 --> 01:05:12.135
Yeah.

01:05:12.135 --> 01:05:14.385
Just totally manual lugging fish.

01:05:14.385 --> 01:05:14.835
Yeah.

01:05:14.925 --> 01:05:18.885
I rented a room from a, a, it's a guy, a Filipino family.

01:05:18.976 --> 01:05:19.246
Okay.

01:05:19.246 --> 01:05:20.626
They're so awesome.

01:05:20.626 --> 01:05:24.226
They, they kept me together there for a little bit.

01:05:24.226 --> 01:05:24.496
Yeah.

01:05:24.556 --> 01:05:28.576
They fed me and, you know, like made sure that, that I was, I was safe.

01:05:29.025 --> 01:05:38.606
Um, but, uh, I would work until 6:00 AM every morning and then I would go walk the docks and I would ask all the different captains of the fisher, the fisher boats.

01:05:38.606 --> 01:05:38.670
Yeah.

01:05:38.670 --> 01:05:38.871
You need a

01:05:38.876 --> 01:05:39.496
fisher coming guy.

01:05:39.856 --> 01:05:41.235
Hey, do you need a crew member?

01:05:41.266 --> 01:05:41.326
Yeah.

01:05:41.331 --> 01:05:45.496
And then one guy would be like, yeah, like over in the other bay over there, they need one.

01:05:45.496 --> 01:05:46.876
And there was nobody over there.

01:05:46.936 --> 01:05:48.675
Like, they would mess with me.

01:05:48.735 --> 01:05:49.155
Oh man.

01:05:49.155 --> 01:05:54.346
And then finally one dude says his name was a Lois Cope, and he was my, my, my skipper.

01:05:54.465 --> 01:05:57.226
He, uh, he said a Alois Copen.

01:05:57.231 --> 01:05:57.670
Alois Copen.

01:05:57.766 --> 01:05:57.976
Okay.

01:05:57.976 --> 01:05:58.096
So, yeah.

01:05:58.246 --> 01:05:58.635
Russian.

01:05:58.635 --> 01:05:59.115
Russian guy.

01:05:59.146 --> 01:05:59.476
Okay.

01:05:59.835 --> 01:06:04.965
Um, he said, be back here at 4:00 AM tomorrow morning.

01:06:06.195 --> 01:06:07.695
I said, just like that, huh?

01:06:07.726 --> 01:06:09.346
And he said, yeah, be here.

01:06:10.275 --> 01:06:12.465
So I went back to the house called in Sick at

01:06:12.465 --> 01:06:13.005
the Cannery.

01:06:13.755 --> 01:06:17.085
Oh, I, yeah, I, I called him and said, Hey, I got a job on a boat.

01:06:17.146 --> 01:06:18.496
And they said, yep, okay.

01:06:18.615 --> 01:06:18.976
It's cool.

01:06:19.036 --> 01:06:19.786
They're used to that.

01:06:19.846 --> 01:06:20.206
Yeah.

01:06:20.206 --> 01:06:21.436
They, they're super used to it.

01:06:21.436 --> 01:06:25.155
They said, they said, hit us, you know, like if you want a job when you come back, like you did good.

01:06:25.246 --> 01:06:25.485
Yep.

01:06:25.576 --> 01:06:25.996
Yeah.

01:06:26.056 --> 01:06:28.755
Like, you know, when the season's over, you can come back.

01:06:28.815 --> 01:06:28.965
Yeah.

01:06:28.965 --> 01:06:39.556
And, um, so, uh, uh, most of the guys that I knew were going out for like three days at a time, and they were do, they were doing what's called jigging for cod.

01:06:39.735 --> 01:06:40.126
Okay.

01:06:40.186 --> 01:06:44.025
It's where you put down a bunch of hooks and you just like that, and then you pull'em up.

01:06:44.056 --> 01:06:44.416
Yep.

01:06:44.505 --> 01:06:45.465
It's a small boat.

01:06:45.465 --> 01:06:47.565
And I thought that's what I was going to go do.

01:06:47.686 --> 01:06:53.235
But I got onto a pot fishing boat, and, uh, it's like the, like what you

01:06:53.490 --> 01:06:55.246
see on the, oh, POTS for crabs and stuff.

01:06:55.246 --> 01:06:55.695
Yeah, yeah,

01:06:55.695 --> 01:06:55.706
yeah.

01:06:55.905 --> 01:07:01.396
Uh, they were going out for COD because he, he, the Lois had said, yeah, we're going out for cod, you know, seasoned cod.

01:07:02.596 --> 01:07:05.326
And we had been traveling for about a day.

01:07:05.655 --> 01:07:12.376
And, uh, I said, Hey, so, uh, what, like when are we, when are we going back to, to Kodiak?

01:07:12.436 --> 01:07:12.706
Yeah.

01:07:12.976 --> 01:07:16.635
And he said, well, you know, we'll probably be back there around May.

01:07:17.326 --> 01:07:19.485
And, uh, it was February.

01:07:20.385 --> 01:07:22.965
This is like, did you have days before that?

01:07:23.431 --> 01:07:25.891
You worked there for a little while and then this happened, or you just like

01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:26.590
No, no, no, no.

01:07:26.590 --> 01:07:27.871
I packed my bag.

01:07:27.871 --> 01:07:28.376
I, okay.

01:07:28.496 --> 01:07:29.311
I got my stuff.

01:07:29.311 --> 01:07:31.110
I, I moved it onto the boat.

01:07:31.291 --> 01:07:31.590
Okay.

01:07:31.596 --> 01:07:33.150
And thought I was gonna be gone for three days.

01:07:33.510 --> 01:07:33.960
Wow.

01:07:33.990 --> 01:07:35.416
Um, and I was gone for three months.

01:07:35.420 --> 01:07:36.121
You didn't leave anything

01:07:36.121 --> 01:07:37.561
with the Filipino family or anything?

01:07:37.561 --> 01:07:37.920
I did.

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:39.541
I left a, I left quite a bit of stuff.

01:07:39.751 --> 01:07:40.141
I imagine.

01:07:40.141 --> 01:07:40.440
Yeah.

01:07:40.471 --> 01:07:42.900
They were so, my God, they thought I was dead.

01:07:43.081 --> 01:07:43.501
Right.

01:07:43.501 --> 01:07:43.740
Yeah.

01:07:43.740 --> 01:07:46.081
They thought I died'cause they thought I was only gonna be gone for three days.

01:07:46.471 --> 01:07:46.740
Days.

01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:48.780
Well, and you'd plucked up the room too, probably.

01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:49.411
Well, they probably couldn't.

01:07:49.411 --> 01:07:49.561
Really?

01:07:49.590 --> 01:07:50.130
Yeah.

01:07:50.251 --> 01:07:55.291
And the funny thing was, is I tried to call them a few times'cause like you couldn't really, there weren't really phones

01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:55.650
Right.

01:07:55.740 --> 01:07:56.311
Anywhere.

01:07:56.311 --> 01:07:57.840
I mean, this is like 2005.

01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:01.291
So cell phones weren't really super popular yet.

01:08:01.291 --> 01:08:01.351
Yeah.

01:08:01.351 --> 01:08:02.251
Area's not out there.

01:08:02.251 --> 01:08:02.340
Yeah.

01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:02.851
Yeah.

01:08:02.851 --> 01:08:04.170
And, and definitely not there.

01:08:04.175 --> 01:08:04.186
Right.

01:08:04.260 --> 01:08:08.101
They had a satellite phone on the boat, but it costs like$10 a minute.

01:08:08.161 --> 01:08:08.490
Right.

01:08:08.490 --> 01:08:09.360
Or something like that.

01:08:09.780 --> 01:08:10.440
And, uh, there's a

01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:11.791
language barrier you couldn't become

01:08:12.121 --> 01:08:12.811
Right.

01:08:12.811 --> 01:08:24.360
Well they, there were phones at the canneries, so like when we would go to shore, I could use the phone, but like, you gotta wait in line with like 20 people, all the other camera workers and you get on the phone.

01:08:24.360 --> 01:08:27.421
And I would, I would call my mom, I would call my brother.

01:08:27.511 --> 01:08:34.081
I would call like a couple of my friends, you know, and like, I mean, those, each of those phone calls was like five bucks.

01:08:34.110 --> 01:08:34.261
Sure.

01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:37.860
You know,'cause it was,'cause it was back then and it cost money.

01:08:37.860 --> 01:08:38.131
And so

01:08:38.131 --> 01:08:40.530
you're like, did they tie'em on buoys or something?

01:08:40.530 --> 01:08:43.051
These pots kind of, and then just run the circuit, kind of.

01:08:43.051 --> 01:08:44.220
Is that how they work it then?

01:08:44.251 --> 01:08:44.701
Yes.

01:08:44.761 --> 01:08:49.560
So yeah, you have, you have a long line attached to the buoy or to attached to the pot.

01:08:50.161 --> 01:08:59.310
You launch the pot over the side of the boat, then there's like the line, what rope, um, that goes down and then there's a floating buoy on top.

01:08:59.430 --> 01:08:59.520
Mm-hmm.

01:09:00.030 --> 01:09:02.551
And you, you do a big string of those.

01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:04.716
Um, and then when it ends.

01:09:05.671 --> 01:09:11.850
Clean up the boat and you go back and you do it again, or you go depending on how, like what, what it's catching.

01:09:11.850 --> 01:09:12.121
And so these

01:09:12.121 --> 01:09:18.390
guys could stay out there because they, or they did stay out there because they were catching and then they'd have other boats come and resupply'em and send their

01:09:18.871 --> 01:09:19.110
Yeah.

01:09:19.140 --> 01:09:20.131
Catch back and whatever.

01:09:20.161 --> 01:09:21.990
When you're in the fish, you stay where you're at.

01:09:22.051 --> 01:09:22.381
Yeah.

01:09:22.440 --> 01:09:22.711
Yeah.

01:09:22.711 --> 01:09:27.661
You keep going, you keep going as long as you can with cod you can, but with crab you have to keep the crab alive.

01:09:27.661 --> 01:09:29.490
So you had to, you had to, you had to offshore them.

01:09:29.605 --> 01:09:29.895
Yeah.

01:09:29.900 --> 01:09:30.091
Yeah.

01:09:30.150 --> 01:09:32.461
So yeah, they could, they didn't have tenders for crab.

01:09:32.490 --> 01:09:32.791
Oh, I

01:09:32.791 --> 01:09:33.091
see.

01:09:33.240 --> 01:09:33.900
At least not then.

01:09:33.900 --> 01:09:34.650
I don't, they might know.

01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:34.831
But you

01:09:34.831 --> 01:09:38.520
weren't going back to Kodiak, you were going to every, wherever else we were going to drop off your crab.

01:09:38.581 --> 01:09:38.761
Yeah.

01:09:38.761 --> 01:09:40.591
A little village called Chi Alaska.

01:09:40.591 --> 01:09:41.011
Oh, okay.

01:09:41.011 --> 01:09:45.615
It was, uh, a village of, I think it was 75 people in the Interesting.

01:09:45.621 --> 01:09:46.201
The winter.

01:09:46.230 --> 01:09:46.470
Yeah.

01:09:46.501 --> 01:09:52.890
And uh, um, like 275 in the summer when the cannery there Yeah, yeah.

01:09:52.890 --> 01:09:54.751
Was, was going interesting for salmon season.

01:09:54.930 --> 01:09:55.440
Interesting.

01:09:55.440 --> 01:09:56.730
But yeah, that was actually, so

01:09:56.730 --> 01:10:00.421
then you came back to El Paso, then I went back to Alaska again.

01:10:00.451 --> 01:10:02.895
No, I went back to, I came back to, came back to Fort Collins.

01:10:02.895 --> 01:10:02.985
Came back.

01:10:02.985 --> 01:10:03.180
Okay.

01:10:03.331 --> 01:10:03.900
Um, how did

01:10:03.900 --> 01:10:04.711
you find Fort Collins?

01:10:04.711 --> 01:10:05.520
Where did that chapter start?

01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:05.970
My brother,

01:10:05.970 --> 01:10:07.020
he went to CSU.

01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:07.470
Okay.

01:10:07.530 --> 01:10:08.011
Yeah.

01:10:08.041 --> 01:10:11.730
Um, and, uh, I was living in El Paso and

01:10:11.791 --> 01:10:12.930
my girlfriend broke up with me.

01:10:12.961 --> 01:10:13.530
My girlfriend broke

01:10:13.530 --> 01:10:13.650
up

01:10:13.650 --> 01:10:13.801
with me.

01:10:17.161 --> 01:10:18.600
Well, actually I broke up with my girlfriend.

01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:18.871
Oh, good.

01:10:18.930 --> 01:10:23.190
But, um, it matters, but Yeah.

01:10:23.190 --> 01:10:23.211
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:23.280 --> 01:10:28.291
But then I, uh, uh, yeah, I decided you're like, bro, you got an extra room.

01:10:28.291 --> 01:10:28.501
Right.

01:10:28.591 --> 01:10:33.270
Well, the thing was, I was supposed to move to Chicago and I, uh, I.

01:10:33.871 --> 01:10:37.261
Kind of at the last minute had this hunch that that wasn't the right move for me.

01:10:37.261 --> 01:10:37.320
Yeah.

01:10:37.320 --> 01:10:39.360
And my brother was like, dude, you gotta move to Colorado.

01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:39.990
It's amazing.

01:10:40.291 --> 01:10:40.591
Alright.

01:10:40.711 --> 01:10:44.190
And I said, I'd been here, you know, I'd spent three days here.

01:10:44.251 --> 01:10:46.740
I was like, yeah, I know, I know Colorado.

01:10:46.740 --> 01:10:47.280
It's awesome.

01:10:47.310 --> 01:10:48.360
So I moved to Colorado.

01:10:48.360 --> 01:10:48.570
Cool.

01:10:48.661 --> 01:10:49.411
And what year was that?

01:10:49.470 --> 01:10:49.921
First time?

01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:52.470
Uh, I moved here on 3, 3 3.

01:10:52.530 --> 01:10:54.091
That was the day that I moved here.

01:10:54.235 --> 01:10:54.475
I dig it.

01:10:54.475 --> 01:10:54.636
Yeah,

01:10:54.780 --> 01:10:55.171
I dig it.

01:10:55.261 --> 01:10:55.501
Yeah.

01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:56.970
And then back here permanently when?

01:10:57.631 --> 01:10:58.831
On six, six.

01:10:58.831 --> 01:10:59.310
Six.

01:11:00.541 --> 01:11:00.990
Of course.

01:11:01.140 --> 01:11:01.381
I know.

01:11:01.381 --> 01:11:02.011
It's kinda wild.

01:11:02.011 --> 01:11:02.131
But,

01:11:02.256 --> 01:11:04.770
and, and how did the Hodis chapter get going?

01:11:05.041 --> 01:11:07.890
So you were, you were in the music scene already, it sounds like.

01:11:08.070 --> 01:11:08.310
Yeah.

01:11:08.310 --> 01:11:09.690
Booking music for Starlight.

01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:12.451
Oh, by the way, I meant to mention if anybody out there wants them.

01:11:12.961 --> 01:11:22.980
Um, at the auction I purchased both of the brass beer towers from the Starlight for my new restaurant that I was gonna be opening really 12 years ago or something.

01:11:23.341 --> 01:11:24.301
And so I have two.

01:11:24.751 --> 01:11:27.720
Old brass beer towers from the Starlight in my garage.

01:11:27.751 --> 01:11:28.171
No way.

01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:28.560
Yeah.

01:11:28.711 --> 01:11:29.551
You want, you wanna buy'em?

01:11:29.551 --> 01:11:30.390
I'll make a good deal.

01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:30.961
Okay.

01:11:31.051 --> 01:11:31.440
I want to

01:11:31.440 --> 01:11:31.775
check it out.

01:11:31.775 --> 01:11:32.095
That's cool.

01:11:32.100 --> 01:11:32.190
Okay.

01:11:32.190 --> 01:11:35.220
They're like five or six taps, uh, but a nice brass bridge.

01:11:35.251 --> 01:11:35.310
Yeah.

01:11:35.310 --> 01:11:35.490
Is

01:11:35.490 --> 01:11:38.671
it, is it from, is it from Hodis or is it No, from Starlight.

01:11:38.970 --> 01:11:40.831
It's from the actual, from the Starlight back in the day.

01:11:40.831 --> 01:11:40.951
Yeah.

01:11:40.951 --> 01:11:41.251
Yeah.

01:11:41.461 --> 01:11:41.640
Oh wow.

01:11:41.671 --> 01:11:42.060
They had like

01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:44.055
an auction of all their crap and That's crazy.

01:11:44.235 --> 01:11:48.871
It was in that time when I was working on my restaurant and I thought, oh, I'll just get the Starlights old handles.

01:11:48.871 --> 01:11:49.291
That'll be cool.

01:11:49.291 --> 01:11:50.011
How funny.

01:11:50.341 --> 01:11:50.970
Uh, so I think

01:11:50.970 --> 01:11:52.650
I got'em for a hundred bucks or, you know, something.

01:11:52.650 --> 01:11:53.341
Not too much.

01:11:53.371 --> 01:11:54.001
Yeah.

01:11:54.030 --> 01:11:57.030
Um, actually, let me talk to my whole business partner.

01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:58.650
I got, I got two.

01:11:58.655 --> 01:11:58.775
I'm,

01:11:58.780 --> 01:11:59.761
I'm gonna see'em tomorrow.

01:11:59.761 --> 01:12:00.871
I dig it.

01:12:00.930 --> 01:12:08.070
But yeah, I'll bet you we probably him or, uh, or, or SC Leary, he was like the original owner of Starlight.

01:12:08.161 --> 01:12:08.251
Don't.

01:12:08.251 --> 01:12:09.735
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:11.011
I'll, I'll hit him up.

01:12:11.011 --> 01:12:11.791
I haven't, I used to go there pretty

01:12:11.791 --> 01:12:12.301
regularly.

01:12:12.301 --> 01:12:16.081
I, I liked your, uh, bookings and including when you did the jam bands.

01:12:16.081 --> 01:12:16.680
That's awesome.

01:12:17.461 --> 01:12:18.060
Well, yeah.

01:12:18.060 --> 01:12:23.430
So I, I came back and, uh, I started working at a bar called The Vault Oh sure.

01:12:23.430 --> 01:12:28.680
And, uh, started getting back into booking music and I was doing construction on the weekdays.

01:12:28.740 --> 01:12:29.190
Okay.

01:12:29.251 --> 01:12:29.940
I was a framer.

01:12:30.030 --> 01:12:30.480
Alright.

01:12:30.480 --> 01:12:34.261
And then I broke two of my ribs in my back and, uh, in a

01:12:34.261 --> 01:12:35.520
non OSHA certified way,

01:12:35.820 --> 01:12:37.440
in a very non OSHA certified way.

01:12:38.791 --> 01:12:43.411
And, uh, that was, that was the end of my, uh, my construction career.

01:12:43.470 --> 01:12:45.211
Did that, are you, are you hurt from it?

01:12:45.735 --> 01:12:46.246
Still?

01:12:46.305 --> 01:12:46.756
Uh,

01:12:46.786 --> 01:12:47.685
no, no, no.

01:12:47.685 --> 01:12:48.945
I mean, you don't have any lasting No.

01:12:48.945 --> 01:12:49.756
Now I've got all

01:12:49.756 --> 01:12:52.336
brand new wiped out your Olympic opportunities.

01:12:52.365 --> 01:12:55.095
It did, it really screwed up my Olympic diving career.

01:12:55.155 --> 01:12:55.365
Yeah.

01:12:55.365 --> 01:12:57.525
But man, I, I used to dive the hell out of a pool.

01:12:58.065 --> 01:13:05.746
Um, but, uh, um, I got back into booking, um, Hodi Starlight became the hotties.

01:13:06.076 --> 01:13:06.435
Oh.

01:13:06.735 --> 01:13:09.405
I guess I didn't even really realize that there was a transition there.

01:13:09.466 --> 01:13:09.916
Yeah.

01:13:09.945 --> 01:13:11.416
I thought Starlight just kind of disappeared.

01:13:11.565 --> 01:13:17.025
Yeah, it, um, it did disappear, but then it became, then another partnership bought it.

01:13:17.025 --> 01:13:17.145
Gotcha.

01:13:17.145 --> 01:13:17.326
Team ho's.

01:13:17.836 --> 01:13:18.195
Okay.

01:13:18.345 --> 01:13:20.956
That partnership didn't really know much about running a music venue.

01:13:21.105 --> 01:13:21.496
Gotcha.

01:13:21.676 --> 01:13:23.956
So they started to crumble.

01:13:24.195 --> 01:13:25.485
I was booking shows there.

01:13:25.666 --> 01:13:28.725
I was the only one that was booking shows that were selling out.

01:13:29.536 --> 01:13:34.185
Um, they said, Hey, we have this opportunity if you want to buy in.

01:13:34.395 --> 01:13:36.735
I bought in pretty cheap because it was going under.

01:13:36.796 --> 01:13:37.006
Right.

01:13:37.365 --> 01:13:40.275
And I bought the bar that I got fired from.

01:13:40.336 --> 01:13:41.145
Helped turn it around.

01:13:41.265 --> 01:13:41.655
Yeah.

01:13:41.865 --> 01:13:48.435
So, uh, yeah, then I own that with, uh, a couple partners for a number of years.

01:13:48.525 --> 01:13:50.326
Sold outta that, went back to school.

01:13:50.331 --> 01:13:51.405
And, and you mentioned

01:13:51.466 --> 01:13:59.145
like, uh, like your partner chased you out of that lifestyle wise or something with a hodis season.

01:13:59.145 --> 01:13:59.695
Was it for your health?

01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:00.796
Your No, no, no, no.

01:14:00.796 --> 01:14:03.015
He, my partner who bought me out.

01:14:03.046 --> 01:14:03.315
Yeah.

01:14:03.405 --> 01:14:08.565
Um, he, uh, he gave me the opportunity to live a healthier life, is what I meant.

01:14:08.655 --> 01:14:09.051
Fair for that.

01:14:09.256 --> 01:14:09.525
Fair.

01:14:09.525 --> 01:14:09.615
Fair.

01:14:09.615 --> 01:14:09.735
Yeah.

01:14:10.365 --> 01:14:10.546
Yeah.

01:14:10.546 --> 01:14:10.876
It was,

01:14:10.876 --> 01:14:11.805
I, that, that's what I meant.

01:14:11.805 --> 01:14:13.185
It was kind like for your own good.

01:14:13.246 --> 01:14:13.426
Yeah.

01:14:13.426 --> 01:14:14.216
In some ways you were.

01:14:14.911 --> 01:14:19.381
You know, partaking of the, I was house sauce too much and

01:14:19.470 --> 01:14:20.581
staying up a little late.

01:14:20.820 --> 01:14:21.270
Yeah.

01:14:21.331 --> 01:14:21.751
A lot.

01:14:21.810 --> 01:14:22.650
It's a hard lifestyle.

01:14:22.650 --> 01:14:23.911
It is a tough lifestyle.

01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:27.240
And I wasn't, uh, I wasn't very good at saying now back then.

01:14:27.331 --> 01:14:27.600
So

01:14:27.631 --> 01:14:27.900
Fair.

01:14:28.320 --> 01:14:28.711
I dig it.

01:14:28.831 --> 01:14:29.161
Yeah.

01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:30.810
So, back to school for what?

01:14:31.470 --> 01:14:35.610
Uh, well, actually I wanted to go to school for wind energy technology.

01:14:35.791 --> 01:14:36.091
Oh.

01:14:36.240 --> 01:14:38.490
And then I realized I didn't wanna do that Right.

01:14:38.490 --> 01:14:39.180
Pretty quick.

01:14:39.270 --> 01:14:40.801
I worked at Vestas for a little while.

01:14:40.831 --> 01:14:41.310
Oh, okay.

01:14:41.461 --> 01:14:41.671
Yep.

01:14:41.701 --> 01:14:46.171
And, uh, wanted to be in that field and then realized that there's just no such thing as green energy.

01:14:46.201 --> 01:14:46.530
Right.

01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:47.881
Without dramatic subsidies.

01:14:47.881 --> 01:14:49.201
This whole industry is fake,

01:14:49.951 --> 01:14:50.461
kind of.

01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:50.881
Yeah.

01:14:50.881 --> 01:14:51.180
Yeah.

01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:51.600
Yeah.

01:14:51.990 --> 01:14:52.140
I mean,

01:14:52.140 --> 01:14:54.240
solar is a little bit that way too in the moment.

01:14:54.421 --> 01:14:54.841
Yeah.

01:14:54.841 --> 01:14:56.791
You know, uh, it's working, it's getting closer.

01:14:57.001 --> 01:14:57.360
Yeah.

01:14:57.360 --> 01:14:57.631
And as

01:14:57.631 --> 01:15:01.711
Elon says, you know, in the long run, all of the energy is from the sun.

01:15:01.980 --> 01:15:02.341
Sure.

01:15:02.551 --> 01:15:05.220
But it just might take us a little longer to get there than we think.

01:15:05.251 --> 01:15:05.850
Yeah.

01:15:06.060 --> 01:15:11.251
Um, I, you know, that was, it was the amount of like poisons and toxins.

01:15:11.251 --> 01:15:11.551
Right.

01:15:11.551 --> 01:15:16.081
And fiberglass and like all the other stuff that goes into making wind turbines was like,

01:15:16.350 --> 01:15:18.270
well, at least that could be recycled really easily.

01:15:18.631 --> 01:15:18.930
Uh,

01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:19.411
yeah.

01:15:19.530 --> 01:15:19.801
Just kidding.

01:15:20.525 --> 01:15:20.815
Yeah.

01:15:20.860 --> 01:15:21.011
Right.

01:15:22.150 --> 01:15:24.671
I wish So you got disenchanted with that pretty quickly too?

01:15:24.671 --> 01:15:24.820
I did,

01:15:24.911 --> 01:15:25.301
yeah.

01:15:25.301 --> 01:15:31.390
And then I said, you know what, like I am, uh, I've, I've been in semi in sales.

01:15:31.451 --> 01:15:31.511
Yeah.

01:15:31.511 --> 01:15:33.041
You know, the music industry that's, I know a lot

01:15:33.041 --> 01:15:34.150
of people sales.

01:15:34.180 --> 01:15:36.850
Finally, some of'em are starting to get qualified to buy a home.

01:15:36.940 --> 01:15:37.421
Yeah.

01:15:37.511 --> 01:15:38.201
Well, yeah.

01:15:38.230 --> 01:15:39.190
Started with cars.

01:15:39.520 --> 01:15:39.820
Oh, right.

01:15:39.826 --> 01:15:45.296
And then, um, but yeah, so that was sort of the, the very strange transition Yeah.

01:15:45.301 --> 01:15:45.581
Yeah.

01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:46.600
Into that world.

01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:47.621
And I don't know.

01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:47.951
So at

01:15:47.951 --> 01:15:54.400
hos you, uh, were kind of the, the, your main skill was kind of the talent booking in a sense of what people would like.

01:15:54.400 --> 01:15:55.600
Is that kind of the heart of that

01:15:55.841 --> 01:15:59.051
no business or, my main skill was drinking.

01:15:59.740 --> 01:16:05.140
Um, no, my main skill there was getting people in the door.

01:16:05.166 --> 01:16:05.456
Yeah.

01:16:05.461 --> 01:16:05.740
Yeah.

01:16:05.740 --> 01:16:06.671
I

01:16:06.671 --> 01:16:09.161
I not just booking good shows, but also marketing it.

01:16:09.310 --> 01:16:09.551
Yeah.

01:16:09.551 --> 01:16:11.680
Helping spread the word, whatever that was.

01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:12.070
Like, it was being friends

01:16:12.070 --> 01:16:12.850
with everybody.

01:16:12.850 --> 01:16:13.930
It was talking to people.

01:16:13.961 --> 01:16:14.081
Oh.

01:16:14.081 --> 01:16:14.740
And well,

01:16:14.770 --> 01:16:16.121
and being a main skill of drinking.

01:16:16.121 --> 01:16:24.701
If you're, if you're a regular at nine different places that also feature music occasionally, and you talk about the upcoming shows and stuff like that, a lot, that's a pretty good promotion.

01:16:24.706 --> 01:16:25.421
It's, it's, yeah.

01:16:25.421 --> 01:16:28.270
It's, it requires a large amount of alcohol consumption.

01:16:28.331 --> 01:16:28.451
Yeah, it

01:16:28.511 --> 01:16:28.961
does.

01:16:30.070 --> 01:16:30.341
Sure.

01:16:30.341 --> 01:16:33.520
But you were gonna do that anyway in those days, so probably would've, I would've done it somewhere.

01:16:34.331 --> 01:16:34.541
Right.

01:16:34.780 --> 01:16:37.161
Um, but yeah, so that was interesting.

01:16:37.161 --> 01:16:39.310
That was my skill was mostly getting people in the door.

01:16:39.371 --> 01:16:39.551
Okay.

01:16:39.581 --> 01:16:46.001
Um, and, uh, turned the failing club into a thriving club for a lot of years.

01:16:46.060 --> 01:16:46.270
Yeah.

01:16:46.270 --> 01:16:46.280
Yeah.

01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:55.381
Um, and then, you know, it just kind of, I really realized that that's not who I, I didn't want to, I didn't want to die in that place.

01:16:55.411 --> 01:16:55.860
Yeah.

01:16:55.921 --> 01:17:00.150
Well, and as we get, I don't know how you're younger than me, but 46.

01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.890
46, not that much younger than me.

01:17:01.890 --> 01:17:09.720
You know, once you get tip over that, you know, 40 number even, or a 35 number even the recovery time is different.

01:17:10.020 --> 01:17:10.381
Yeah.

01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:15.480
And the interest in staying up until three o'clock in the morning is lower.

01:17:15.541 --> 01:17:16.291
Yeah.

01:17:16.381 --> 01:17:17.070
Uh, yeah.

01:17:17.070 --> 01:17:22.440
Now, like I used to, like, I, I drink and man, I just wanted to stay up and see the sunrise.

01:17:22.501 --> 01:17:22.860
Yeah.

01:17:23.070 --> 01:17:27.001
Now, like, I mean, I've got a few drinks in me and I want to be at home in bed.

01:17:27.216 --> 01:17:27.275
Right.

01:17:27.331 --> 01:17:30.511
Like, I am ready to go like, pretty early.

01:17:30.511 --> 01:17:30.570
Yeah.

01:17:30.661 --> 01:17:31.201
Put me home.

01:17:31.530 --> 01:17:39.661
Um, but yeah, the recovery man, I, I, I drank on the night before Thanksgiving, and I hadn't drank in like, probably like two months or so.

01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:39.961
Yeah.

01:17:40.501 --> 01:17:41.310
Holy crap.

01:17:42.176 --> 01:17:44.235
Oh, I, and I, and I, I did, I went out.

01:17:44.235 --> 01:17:44.640
Thanksgiving was a

01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.291
longer day than it even would've been otherwise.

01:17:46.320 --> 01:17:46.921
Yeah.

01:17:47.011 --> 01:17:47.280
Yeah.

01:17:47.280 --> 01:17:49.230
Luckily, well, we didn't, we didn't do much.

01:17:49.320 --> 01:17:51.270
My wife and I, we just stayed home and,

01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:51.841
yeah.

01:17:52.411 --> 01:17:52.921
No Turkey.

01:17:53.341 --> 01:17:53.671
Nope.

01:17:53.850 --> 01:17:54.480
Zero Turkey.

01:17:54.511 --> 01:17:56.041
What'd you do for food on Thanksgiving then?

01:17:56.251 --> 01:18:01.876
Uh, we ordered IHOP through DoorDash and, uh, IHOP is an

01:18:01.881 --> 01:18:02.671
interesting decision.

01:18:02.730 --> 01:18:03.780
It was, it was great.

01:18:03.780 --> 01:18:05.070
I had, uh, it was a breakfast for dinner.

01:18:05.131 --> 01:18:05.520
Yeah.

01:18:06.331 --> 01:18:06.751
I like it.

01:18:06.916 --> 01:18:12.150
I, we, we got that for breakfast and then we got, um, Asian food for dump.

01:18:12.211 --> 01:18:13.381
I think we got dumplings.

01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:13.951
Yeah.

01:18:14.490 --> 01:18:15.001
For.

01:18:15.060 --> 01:18:15.900
I dig it.

01:18:15.945 --> 01:18:16.605
It was delicious.

01:18:16.605 --> 01:18:16.711
It was great.

01:18:16.740 --> 01:18:17.461
While we're here,

01:18:17.461 --> 01:18:19.201
why don't we talk about your wife a little bit?

01:18:19.291 --> 01:18:19.560
Sure.

01:18:19.740 --> 01:18:21.570
Um, where did you find her?

01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:22.470
Where did I find

01:18:22.470 --> 01:18:22.621
her?

01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:23.100
Yeah.

01:18:23.371 --> 01:18:24.270
And where did she find you?

01:18:24.360 --> 01:18:30.930
Um, well, uh, one of my friends had tickets to go see a Red Rocks concert.

01:18:30.930 --> 01:18:32.551
It was a band called Trample by Turtles.

01:18:32.581 --> 01:18:32.701
Oh,

01:18:33.091 --> 01:18:33.480
great band.

01:18:33.541 --> 01:18:33.871
Yeah.

01:18:33.961 --> 01:18:41.011
And, um, they, uh, he needed a ride'cause he didn't have a car.

01:18:41.161 --> 01:18:41.551
Okay.

01:18:41.610 --> 01:18:44.131
And, uh, which is, that's a whole different story about him.

01:18:44.131 --> 01:18:51.331
But, um, and, uh, this, uh, so my wife is a yoga teacher.

01:18:51.451 --> 01:18:51.780
Okay.

01:18:51.900 --> 01:18:54.990
She's a yoga teacher at the gym that I go to, Raintree Athletic Club.

01:18:55.110 --> 01:18:55.350
Okay.

01:18:55.440 --> 01:19:00.360
She, um, I had seen her across the gym for a couple years prior to that.

01:19:00.451 --> 01:19:00.780
Okay.

01:19:01.320 --> 01:19:04.140
And my buddy didn't tell me that.

01:19:04.666 --> 01:19:07.216
Anybody was coming with us, but he had invited her.

01:19:07.365 --> 01:19:07.546
Oh.

01:19:07.695 --> 01:19:16.905
And I see the cute yoga teacher that I've had a crush on for two years, walking up to my car and I was like, oh, well I've got a two seater Tacoma.

01:19:17.506 --> 01:19:17.895
Oh.

01:19:17.895 --> 01:19:20.685
So she rode in the front seat.

01:19:20.716 --> 01:19:24.136
He rode in the, you know, the, the, the, the bed?

01:19:24.405 --> 01:19:25.065
No.

01:19:25.065 --> 01:19:27.051
Like it's got like those crappy little seats that are seats.

01:19:27.051 --> 01:19:27.060
Yeah.

01:19:27.060 --> 01:19:27.945
Like the sideways sitting

01:19:27.945 --> 01:19:29.176
for nine year olds kind of thing.

01:19:29.176 --> 01:19:29.626
Yeah.

01:19:29.716 --> 01:19:32.145
So he rode in the back, she rode in the front.

01:19:32.206 --> 01:19:33.435
We it off You rode the down Red Rocks.

01:19:33.525 --> 01:19:33.735
Yeah.

01:19:33.735 --> 01:19:41.055
Our, uh, our first picture was taken by, uh, Dave, one of the guys from Trampled by Turtles backstage at Red Rocks.

01:19:41.055 --> 01:19:41.655
That's awesome.

01:19:41.716 --> 01:19:42.076
Yeah.

01:19:42.166 --> 01:19:44.121
He took our, our first picture that we have together.

01:19:44.121 --> 01:19:44.506
I love it.

01:19:44.746 --> 01:19:45.136
I love it.

01:19:45.195 --> 01:19:49.485
He took our picture again then the following year, a year later, same place, but dig it.

01:19:49.695 --> 01:19:50.025
Yeah,

01:19:50.030 --> 01:19:50.416
yeah, yeah.

01:19:50.416 --> 01:19:51.496
So that's how we met.

01:19:51.496 --> 01:19:54.765
And then, then I was She didn't break

01:19:54.765 --> 01:19:58.275
up with you, you didn't break up with her and somebody said, let's get married, I guess.

01:19:58.305 --> 01:19:59.536
Yeah, yeah.

01:19:59.536 --> 01:19:59.595
Yeah.

01:19:59.626 --> 01:20:02.805
Um, on Christmas, Christmas day.

01:20:02.956 --> 01:20:04.876
Um, about three years ago.

01:20:05.055 --> 01:20:05.416
Okay.

01:20:05.716 --> 01:20:07.126
Well, happy upcoming anniversary.

01:20:07.185 --> 01:20:07.546
Thank you.

01:20:07.605 --> 01:20:08.716
And you guys have any littles

01:20:08.716 --> 01:20:09.256
running around?

01:20:09.435 --> 01:20:11.145
We've got a dog named, maybe

01:20:11.355 --> 01:20:12.166
a dog named maybe.

01:20:12.166 --> 01:20:12.525
Yep.

01:20:12.555 --> 01:20:14.475
She's, she's about three right now.

01:20:14.985 --> 01:20:15.315
Very cool.

01:20:15.345 --> 01:20:16.605
Um, she's pretty awesome.

01:20:16.605 --> 01:20:16.666
An

01:20:16.666 --> 01:20:18.886
early, early love child of the pair of you.

01:20:19.155 --> 01:20:19.576
Yeah.

01:20:21.206 --> 01:20:22.315
Yeah, she's, uh, were

01:20:22.315 --> 01:20:23.876
you married first and then the dog came?

01:20:23.876 --> 01:20:25.051
Or were you just engaged?

01:20:25.350 --> 01:20:25.570
No,

01:20:25.570 --> 01:20:28.286
we were, we were, we were, uh, geez.

01:20:28.286 --> 01:20:29.810
Were we engaged when we got married?

01:20:29.810 --> 01:20:30.326
It must have been.

01:20:30.355 --> 01:20:31.765
cause you're gonna be married three years.

01:20:31.765 --> 01:20:32.216
Shortly.

01:20:32.426 --> 01:20:33.086
Yeah.

01:20:33.145 --> 01:20:36.956
I think we, I think we got engaged right after we got her.

01:20:36.985 --> 01:20:37.315
Okay.

01:20:37.315 --> 01:20:38.216
No, I think,

01:20:38.725 --> 01:20:39.025
yeah.

01:20:39.206 --> 01:20:39.386
Yeah.

01:20:39.386 --> 01:20:40.765
Which do you think is the bigger commitment?

01:20:40.765 --> 01:20:42.836
Getting a dog with somebody or buying a ring?

01:20:43.555 --> 01:20:45.805
Um, the dog.

01:20:45.805 --> 01:20:45.865
Yeah.

01:20:46.286 --> 01:20:46.376
I,

01:20:47.006 --> 01:20:49.676
you don't wanna have to split the dog in half at some point, right?

01:20:49.706 --> 01:20:52.046
Yeah, no, the dog has you pretty much.

01:20:52.315 --> 01:20:56.216
If by getting a dog with a girl, you're basically saying, I'm willing to marry you.

01:20:56.216 --> 01:20:56.756
Whatever.

01:20:56.845 --> 01:20:57.265
Right.

01:20:57.296 --> 01:20:58.555
Like Sarah, my wife.

01:20:58.650 --> 01:21:00.265
It's the pre-engagement though.

01:21:00.265 --> 01:21:03.235
She doesn't very often she can buy her own food.

01:21:03.626 --> 01:21:03.805
Hm.

01:21:03.956 --> 01:21:05.036
Maybe cannot.

01:21:07.525 --> 01:21:07.735
Right.

01:21:07.975 --> 01:21:10.405
So Sarah would be more fine without you than maybe would, she

01:21:10.405 --> 01:21:12.296
would probably survive a little bit longer.

01:21:12.655 --> 01:21:14.185
Well, without, maybe not have to

01:21:14.185 --> 01:21:14.966
test that theory.

01:21:14.996 --> 01:21:15.265
Yeah.

01:21:15.626 --> 01:21:16.916
I'm gonna call for a break.

01:21:16.975 --> 01:21:17.275
Yeah.

01:21:17.336 --> 01:21:21.685
We're gonna have a little bit more fun and then we're gonna get you outta here so you can go, uh, finish up on all that.

01:21:21.746 --> 01:21:24.055
Uh, real estate stuffs pretty go to Costa Rica.

01:21:24.235 --> 01:21:24.743
Sounds great.

01:22:14.185 --> 01:22:16.315
You think about this bourbon, I don't think, you know the, what I poured.

01:22:16.586 --> 01:22:17.095
It's great.

01:22:17.095 --> 01:22:21.626
It's, it's um, um, the guy that owns the place, lives like around the corner.

01:22:21.655 --> 01:22:22.015
Oh yeah.

01:22:22.105 --> 01:22:22.676
My mountain.

01:22:22.855 --> 01:22:23.845
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:23.845 --> 01:22:25.886
I've been comparing it to other, can't think

01:22:25.886 --> 01:22:26.690
of what his name is right now.

01:22:26.690 --> 01:22:27.055
Like 50,

01:22:27.055 --> 01:22:27.716
$60.

01:22:27.716 --> 01:22:30.445
Bottled bourbons and mob usually is.

01:22:30.961 --> 01:22:32.671
A little better for me than most of them.

01:22:32.761 --> 01:22:36.301
I mean, I'm not a super huge bourbon kind of, so it's 39.99

01:22:36.301 --> 01:22:36.961
almost everywhere.

01:22:37.020 --> 01:22:38.985
I am a, I'm a huge scotch kind of soer.

01:22:38.990 --> 01:22:39.180
Okay.

01:22:39.270 --> 01:22:41.820
And I like, I like scotch and tequila and mezcal.

01:22:41.881 --> 01:22:43.140
Those are, those are my drinks.

01:22:43.171 --> 01:22:43.411
Okay.

01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:45.751
Um, I'm that plus bourbon, I guess that makes Yeah.

01:22:45.900 --> 01:22:49.051
But this one, like, honestly, it tastes fantastic.

01:22:49.051 --> 01:22:52.501
Like, I, I really, it's not, it's not too sweet.

01:22:52.591 --> 01:22:58.770
Which I don't like, I don't like bourbons when they're too sweet and it's not too like just alcoholy.

01:22:58.770 --> 01:22:59.190
Yeah.

01:22:59.220 --> 01:22:59.466
You know?

01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:00.030
Yeah.

01:23:00.030 --> 01:23:00.631
It's really good.

01:23:00.690 --> 01:23:01.320
Ready to go mob.

01:23:01.470 --> 01:23:01.711
Yep.

01:23:01.980 --> 01:23:02.310
Cheers.

01:23:03.121 --> 01:23:09.746
You should sponsor the local experience, at least with free liquor, because that's like your fourth commercial already if you're a listener next.

01:23:09.746 --> 01:23:10.025
Yeah.

01:23:10.565 --> 01:23:11.985
So I'm gonna have you next time.

01:23:11.985 --> 01:23:12.145
Uh,

01:23:12.211 --> 01:23:12.631
next time.

01:23:12.631 --> 01:23:15.270
My, uh, my dog fights with his dogs at the fence.

01:23:15.270 --> 01:23:15.690
I'll tell him.

01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:16.020
Yeah.

01:23:16.020 --> 01:23:16.201
I'll

01:23:16.201 --> 01:23:17.251
give you an extra sticker.

01:23:17.310 --> 01:23:17.581
There you go.

01:23:18.690 --> 01:23:19.951
This guy's looking for a sponsor.

01:23:19.951 --> 01:23:21.030
So grab three of these.

01:23:21.030 --> 01:23:22.711
They're each attached to a question.

01:23:22.740 --> 01:23:22.770
Okay.

01:23:23.551 --> 01:23:24.786
And, uh, I got

01:23:24.786 --> 01:23:24.985
one.

01:23:26.070 --> 01:23:27.121
Oh, that one's gonna roll on the floor.

01:23:27.511 --> 01:23:27.990
It's all good.

01:23:27.990 --> 01:23:28.801
They're ping pong balls.

01:23:28.801 --> 01:23:29.581
They'll probably survive.

01:23:30.030 --> 01:23:30.331
It's true.

01:23:32.970 --> 01:23:34.501
Can you read the numbers from the floor?.

01:23:37.381 --> 01:23:37.740
Okay.

01:23:37.831 --> 01:23:40.801
I've got 29.

01:23:41.190 --> 01:23:41.400
Okay.

01:23:42.511 --> 01:23:44.677
18 and 23,

01:23:44.677 --> 01:23:47.305
29, 18, 23.

01:23:47.310 --> 01:23:48.211
Okay.

01:23:49.711 --> 01:23:50.461
That was the last one, right?

01:23:50.461 --> 01:23:50.881
23?

01:23:51.390 --> 01:23:52.650
No, 23 was the last one.

01:23:52.650 --> 01:23:53.011
Yes.

01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:55.081
Okay.

01:23:55.081 --> 01:23:56.011
I like this one to start.

01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:57.780
Well, I, it could be 81.

01:23:57.841 --> 01:23:58.171
I don't know.

01:23:58.470 --> 01:23:59.190
No, we don't have that many.

01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:03.211
Um, 23.

01:24:03.211 --> 01:24:06.570
I'm gonna start with just'cause I, I think that's a good entree into this segment.

01:24:06.631 --> 01:24:12.421
Or do you have any stupid human tricks, uh, that you would like to share with our listening and watching audience?

01:24:12.541 --> 01:24:15.600
Um, let's see.

01:24:15.765 --> 01:24:23.791
What do I, uh, I can't think of anything that I've, I've got that's like appropriate.

01:24:25.860 --> 01:24:31.591
I can, uh, I don't, can't do it now with my sweatshirt on and stuff, but I can do this and put this over my head.

01:24:31.621 --> 01:24:32.100
Okay.

01:24:32.610 --> 01:24:33.270
That's a cool one.

01:24:33.270 --> 01:24:33.511
Yeah.

01:24:33.511 --> 01:24:35.610
That's my only one as far as I know.

01:24:35.610 --> 01:24:38.970
See, I mean, I can, I can, I can tear off the tip of my, oh.

01:24:39.150 --> 01:24:41.520
Ah, that was kind of

01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:41.820
cool.

01:24:41.911 --> 01:24:42.060
Yeah.

01:24:42.060 --> 01:24:42.930
You got it on the camera.

01:24:42.990 --> 01:24:44.070
Um, here wait, hold on.

01:24:44.310 --> 01:24:44.701
Do this.

01:24:45.091 --> 01:24:45.421
All right.

01:24:45.480 --> 01:24:45.930
Look at me in the eyes.

01:24:45.930 --> 01:24:46.081
Can you

01:24:46.081 --> 01:24:46.650
wiggle your eyes?

01:24:49.676 --> 01:24:50.911
Ooh, that's pretty cool.

01:24:51.990 --> 01:24:53.610
Yeah, that's, that's unusual.

01:24:53.911 --> 01:24:54.930
Did you zoom in on this?

01:24:56.850 --> 01:24:57.990
Yeah, that's, uh, I

01:24:57.990 --> 01:25:04.350
could cross my eyes and I can, but I, yeah, I can't like, make him move independently like that.

01:25:04.411 --> 01:25:04.770
That's weird.

01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:07.020
My brother can wiggle his eyeballs.

01:25:07.171 --> 01:25:09.006
Like both of'em

01:25:09.235 --> 01:25:09.900
like that.

01:25:10.350 --> 01:25:11.190
That's your eyelids.

01:25:12.270 --> 01:25:13.530
Oh, there, I'm wiggling my eyeballs too.

01:25:13.530 --> 01:25:14.525
It's just, you can't see it.

01:25:15.270 --> 01:25:15.600
Maybe.

01:25:15.690 --> 01:25:16.261
I believe you.

01:25:16.860 --> 01:25:23.280
Um, we're gonna move on to, uh, let's do number 29.

01:25:23.551 --> 01:25:23.730
Okay.

01:25:24.150 --> 01:25:32.461
What's been the most surprising thing to you about running this business or this collection of businesses?

01:25:33.480 --> 01:25:40.711
Um, the most surprising thing to me about running business is,

01:25:41.100 --> 01:25:48.180
or even hodes for that matter, is that there's like, what, what non-business people wouldn't know.

01:25:48.240 --> 01:25:57.600
Perhaps there's a certain point when you have to do it because you just love it and it's not just for the money.

01:25:57.871 --> 01:25:58.051
Hmm.

01:25:58.291 --> 01:26:08.341
And when you realize that doing things for other people, even if it does make you money, is far more rewarding Yeah.

01:26:08.341 --> 01:26:09.150
Than a paycheck.

01:26:09.480 --> 01:26:12.360
My first sales training class was, uh, selling is helping.

01:26:12.661 --> 01:26:13.291
Yes.

01:26:13.381 --> 01:26:14.190
Yes.

01:26:14.190 --> 01:26:17.280
And that's been my mentality is I, is I help people.

01:26:17.341 --> 01:26:17.671
Yeah.

01:26:17.820 --> 01:26:18.371
And it.

01:26:19.036 --> 01:26:23.235
It was something that, like, I, I read this book called the The Go-Giver.

01:26:23.416 --> 01:26:23.685
Yeah,

01:26:23.690 --> 01:26:23.951
yeah.

01:26:23.956 --> 01:26:27.256
Um, and that was kind of the premise of that book.

01:26:27.315 --> 01:26:30.105
And then I thought, you know, like, eh, that's kind of hokey, whatever.

01:26:30.166 --> 01:26:30.496
Right?

01:26:30.525 --> 01:26:34.966
And then I decided, all right, well why don't you actually make that how you, how you think and how you feel.

01:26:34.966 --> 01:26:36.466
And man felt way better.

01:26:36.615 --> 01:26:37.036
I like it.

01:26:37.095 --> 01:26:43.336
Um, little bit less like, I mean, even if it was a little bit, yeah, it was, it was, it was less selfish.

01:26:43.935 --> 01:26:49.725
You know, when you're helping people and you're doing something for other people, it is more rewarding than just getting paid.

01:26:49.815 --> 01:26:56.956
Well, it's an unusual, like I was just reflecting on like your prior career, you know, booking music and booking shows and stuff.

01:26:56.956 --> 01:27:01.246
And I've been a long time local and beyond music fan.

01:27:01.666 --> 01:27:03.525
And I, and I see the value in it for sure.

01:27:04.126 --> 01:27:08.265
But a lot of times what you're selling is a long night out and a hangover tomorrow.

01:27:09.435 --> 01:27:09.645
Yeah.

01:27:09.706 --> 01:27:10.185
You know,

01:27:10.636 --> 01:27:16.305
as compared to a house or an investment property or something where you can definitely say selling is helping.

01:27:16.876 --> 01:27:22.336
You know, there's times when somebody sold me, I'm going to a, a show, and they didn't help me at all.

01:27:22.336 --> 01:27:22.725
Really?

01:27:22.756 --> 01:27:23.055
Yeah.

01:27:23.055 --> 01:27:25.725
Like, I might've had a good time at the time, but it don't,

01:27:25.786 --> 01:27:26.951
it doesn't actually benefit your life.

01:27:26.956 --> 01:27:27.525
Like, it's not the same

01:27:27.525 --> 01:27:33.916
as a liquor store or a, like, self storage is one of those businesses where the whole industry is a little bit yucky.

01:27:33.945 --> 01:27:38.445
'cause anybody that's renting a self storage space, most of them should just.

01:27:39.046 --> 01:27:39.765
Get rid of their shit.

01:27:39.796 --> 01:27:40.456
Get rid of their shit.

01:27:41.595 --> 01:27:41.956
Yeah.

01:27:42.286 --> 01:27:46.275
You charge'em like half of what their shit is worth every year to rent this self storage space.

01:27:46.456 --> 01:27:47.086
Yeah.

01:27:47.086 --> 01:27:50.086
I, I tried to pitch one of my commercial clients.

01:27:50.086 --> 01:27:51.916
I tried to pitch a storage, a storage unit.

01:27:51.916 --> 01:27:52.095
Okay.

01:27:52.095 --> 01:27:52.305
Yeah.

01:27:52.305 --> 01:27:52.546
Yeah.

01:27:52.876 --> 01:28:01.576
And he was like, he's like, yeah, you know, like, I mean, what happens when people, like, people are minimizing nowadays, he's like, whatever happens, he's like, no, this industry's gonna go nowhere.

01:28:01.576 --> 01:28:03.076
And I was like, well, all right.

01:28:03.076 --> 01:28:04.725
I don't, I don't really think that's the case.

01:28:04.725 --> 01:28:05.145
No,

01:28:05.270 --> 01:28:06.826
but, but it's still kind of yucky.

01:28:06.826 --> 01:28:07.305
But it's funny

01:28:07.305 --> 01:28:07.576
to think

01:28:07.576 --> 01:28:08.145
about it that way.

01:28:08.145 --> 01:28:08.206
Yeah.

01:28:08.206 --> 01:28:08.475
Right.

01:28:08.506 --> 01:28:22.845
Or like my longtime friend, uh, that was in the alcohol business, you know, a liquor store, like your regulars might, depending on the store, might be like 30% of your revenue in some cases.

01:28:22.876 --> 01:28:23.176
Right.

01:28:23.176 --> 01:28:25.400
And you're just promoting a alcoholism at that point.

01:28:25.400 --> 01:28:25.666
And those, and then

01:28:25.666 --> 01:28:28.845
your regulars is the serious alcoholics.

01:28:28.876 --> 01:28:29.296
Yeah.

01:28:29.536 --> 01:28:37.095
No, I, you know, I realized when I was in the bar in music industry that like, I was literally catering to alcoholics and drug addicts.

01:28:37.275 --> 01:28:37.636
Right.

01:28:37.701 --> 01:28:41.865
And that was, and you know, and yeah, I was, I was real cool to those people.

01:28:42.046 --> 01:28:42.345
Right.

01:28:42.345 --> 01:28:42.496
You know.

01:28:42.975 --> 01:28:46.605
Well, and, and you were at least on the edge of being an alcoholic probably too.

01:28:46.725 --> 01:28:47.836
Oh, perhaps beyond, no,

01:28:47.836 --> 01:28:48.975
I was, I was far over the edge

01:28:49.006 --> 01:28:50.265
and did talk to me about that.

01:28:50.326 --> 01:28:54.136
Like did you just, did you do a 12 step or anything like that?

01:28:54.136 --> 01:28:57.466
Did you just muscle it through, got outta the lifestyle and it left you alone?

01:28:57.945 --> 01:28:59.176
Like, talk to me about that a little bit.

01:28:59.176 --> 01:28:59.235
No,

01:28:59.475 --> 01:29:04.456
um, I got out of that lifestyle and I cleaned myself up and I.

01:29:05.355 --> 01:29:12.015
I realized that that moderation wa you know, I, that was, that was when I learned a lot more about moderation.

01:29:12.136 --> 01:29:12.466
Okay.

01:29:12.466 --> 01:29:17.595
And I definitely had quite a few times in my life where I've forgotten about moderation, um, since

01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:17.770
Fair.

01:29:17.836 --> 01:29:19.996
And you'd learned that lesson before also.

01:29:19.996 --> 01:29:20.716
But yeah.

01:29:20.716 --> 01:29:21.581
It was easy to forget and now I

01:29:21.581 --> 01:29:22.935
can recognize it a lot easier.

01:29:22.935 --> 01:29:23.145
Okay.

01:29:23.326 --> 01:29:23.416
Yeah.

01:29:23.416 --> 01:29:28.786
Um, you know, like this last summer, like we were going out a lot and I was, I was drinking a lot.

01:29:28.786 --> 01:29:31.006
And so, you know, and I was like, okay, wait, hold on.

01:29:31.006 --> 01:29:31.451
You kind of falling back.

01:29:31.451 --> 01:29:32.115
Tap the breaks again.

01:29:32.145 --> 01:29:32.386
Yeah.

01:29:32.386 --> 01:29:33.645
Falling back into an old pattern.

01:29:33.645 --> 01:29:37.275
But like, I mean, I like the way that, um, alcohol is taste.

01:29:37.515 --> 01:29:37.695
Yeah.

01:29:37.876 --> 01:29:40.666
And if I'm drinking it for the flavor, then that's one thing.

01:29:40.695 --> 01:29:42.706
Well, and I like what it does to me just a little bit.

01:29:42.826 --> 01:29:43.185
Yeah.

01:29:43.246 --> 01:29:45.136
You know, when it's just a little bit, it's pretty nice.

01:29:45.136 --> 01:29:45.225
Yeah.

01:29:45.855 --> 01:29:49.246
You know, when, when I can have a bourbon and sit and talk to my new friend John, you know, that's kinda cool.

01:29:49.305 --> 01:29:51.105
Boy, do I hate what it does to me the next day.

01:29:51.105 --> 01:29:51.286
Yeah.

01:29:51.345 --> 01:30:00.166
And that's, that's one of my biggest problems is, is, is yapping yapping too much when I'm drunk and then feeling like crap the next day.

01:30:00.195 --> 01:30:00.345
Yeah.

01:30:00.405 --> 01:30:03.676
And it affecting my, my work ethic.

01:30:04.275 --> 01:30:06.286
And that's where it bothers me.

01:30:06.286 --> 01:30:08.025
And I can't let that those two interfere.

01:30:08.025 --> 01:30:09.046
Interfere anymore.

01:30:09.136 --> 01:30:10.365
And so kudos

01:30:10.365 --> 01:30:16.515
to my, uh, to my dad who, uh, I had no curfew when I was a kid growing up.

01:30:16.576 --> 01:30:19.605
It was North Dakota and we were kind of libertine kind of family anyway.

01:30:19.605 --> 01:30:19.695
Sure.

01:30:20.296 --> 01:30:24.195
And, uh, you can get rid of the ones that are done if you like, or whatever they can hide.

01:30:24.676 --> 01:30:28.935
Um, but when I stayed up until.

01:30:29.761 --> 01:30:34.621
Two o'clock in the morning partying as a 15 or 16-year-old, you know?

01:30:34.621 --> 01:30:34.680
Yeah.

01:30:35.280 --> 01:30:38.701
Then we started an hour earlier farming.

01:30:39.570 --> 01:30:40.350
Oh, the next day.

01:30:40.440 --> 01:30:40.860
Yeah.

01:30:40.860 --> 01:30:41.730
So you did that.

01:30:41.730 --> 01:30:51.930
See, like that was kind of, and he didn't say anything, but that was just like, I knew if I came home really late, there was no, you know, nothing said about it, but we were gonna start earlier next day.

01:30:51.930 --> 01:30:51.990
Yeah.

01:30:51.990 --> 01:30:52.051
You

01:30:52.051 --> 01:30:53.761
get, you'd get one, two hours of sleep.

01:30:54.150 --> 01:30:54.551
Something like that.

01:30:54.551 --> 01:30:54.930
Even if it was

01:30:54.930 --> 01:30:58.591
just changing shovels on the digger or something before we went out harvesting.

01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:03.390
Boy, my mom did that same shit to me, but it was, it was, it was very different.

01:31:03.390 --> 01:31:08.100
She, uh, she would vacuum right next to my bedroom.

01:31:10.390 --> 01:31:14.445
And she would like at 7:00 AM fucking vacuum into the door.

01:31:14.445 --> 01:31:15.011
Ally bumped the door and I bumped the

01:31:15.011 --> 01:31:16.371
door again and I bumped the door again.

01:31:16.546 --> 01:31:16.845
Yeah.

01:31:16.845 --> 01:31:17.865
Where, where did your mom come from?

01:31:17.865 --> 01:31:18.645
And your dad by the way?

01:31:18.765 --> 01:31:19.636
Uh, my mom.

01:31:20.206 --> 01:31:24.855
My mom came from my grandparents, so I know Midwest, or girl.

01:31:24.855 --> 01:31:35.595
My mom came, yeah, she was actually, she was born in California, then moved to Minnesota and my dad was born in Nebraska and then his family moved to Minnesota.

01:31:35.655 --> 01:31:36.015
Okay.

01:31:36.405 --> 01:31:40.155
They met in Minnesota and then neither one of them wanted to be there.

01:31:40.216 --> 01:31:40.485
Right.

01:31:40.876 --> 01:31:45.615
Um, so they they created the life of moving around.

01:31:45.645 --> 01:31:45.975
Yeah.

01:31:45.975 --> 01:31:45.985
Yeah.

01:31:46.036 --> 01:31:46.305
Quite bit.

01:31:46.336 --> 01:31:47.265
And your dad split up, was

01:31:47.416 --> 01:31:52.426
upwardly mobile strong in sales initially, and then eventually into corporate management kind of things.

01:31:52.485 --> 01:31:52.756
Yes.

01:31:52.756 --> 01:31:55.065
He, which is also still strong in sales probably.

01:31:55.126 --> 01:31:55.636
Yeah.

01:31:55.695 --> 01:31:56.055
Yeah.

01:31:56.145 --> 01:31:56.416
Yep.

01:31:56.595 --> 01:32:04.395
And he was a, he was a West Point graduate, had a couple of master's degrees in business and he was, he was very, very, very smart guy.

01:32:04.456 --> 01:32:04.636
Yeah.

01:32:04.636 --> 01:32:05.145
Sounds like it.

01:32:05.145 --> 01:32:06.345
Who interviewed really well.

01:32:06.730 --> 01:32:11.110
Um, and, uh, then, well, we moved around a lot.

01:32:11.110 --> 01:32:11.740
Didn't have performed.

01:32:11.746 --> 01:32:11.895
Yeah.

01:32:11.900 --> 01:32:11.921
Yeah.

01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:13.631
No, he performed.

01:32:13.631 --> 01:32:16.301
He just, uh, he was, he was kind of mean, you know.

01:32:16.480 --> 01:32:16.720
Gotcha.

01:32:16.720 --> 01:32:16.900
And could

01:32:16.900 --> 01:32:18.850
be, wasn't the kind of boss that everybody loved as much?

01:32:18.850 --> 01:32:19.211
No,

01:32:19.211 --> 01:32:22.211
he wouldn't, he wouldn't, he wouldn't do well in, in today's society.

01:32:22.211 --> 01:32:22.511
Right.

01:32:22.511 --> 01:32:27.190
All these snowflakes would be melting on him all over the place and filing lawsuits and stuff.

01:32:27.220 --> 01:32:27.251
Oh

01:32:27.251 --> 01:32:27.551
boy.

01:32:27.551 --> 01:32:27.850
He would.

01:32:27.876 --> 01:32:30.190
And was it just you and your brother, or was there more siblings too?

01:32:30.551 --> 01:32:32.470
Uh, it was just me and my brother.

01:32:32.530 --> 01:32:33.430
Uh, I have a stepbrother.

01:32:33.610 --> 01:32:34.060
Okay.

01:32:34.060 --> 01:32:36.161
Uh, Dominic, he lives in Florida.

01:32:36.161 --> 01:32:37.930
He's an attorney in Florida.

01:32:37.930 --> 01:32:45.940
My, my blood brother Mark, he is, um, a teacher and a musician in Taipei, Taiwan.

01:32:46.030 --> 01:32:46.480
Oh, wow.

01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:47.081
Right now, yeah.

01:32:47.081 --> 01:32:48.911
That's probably a whole nother story, but

01:32:49.091 --> 01:32:52.121
long, long story without, we got one more ping pong question.

01:32:52.360 --> 01:32:52.720
Alright.

01:32:53.140 --> 01:32:53.980
Do you need the number?

01:32:54.011 --> 01:32:55.541
I don't think so.

01:32:55.841 --> 01:32:56.140
Oh, yeah.

01:32:56.140 --> 01:32:56.650
Here it is.

01:32:56.650 --> 01:32:57.701
Number 18.

01:32:58.810 --> 01:33:04.211
If you had to pick a smell to describe your personality, what smell would it be?

01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:07.900
Hmm.

01:33:09.661 --> 01:33:12.480
Um, or you could use a smell or flavor if you prefer.

01:33:12.570 --> 01:33:13.921
It'd probably be hot chocolate.

01:33:14.706 --> 01:33:14.716
Okay.

01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:16.890
The smell of hot chocolate.

01:33:16.921 --> 01:33:17.131
Okay.

01:33:17.305 --> 01:33:22.305
I, I don't know why it's hot Chocolate and lavender are my two favorite smells.

01:33:23.131 --> 01:33:23.581
Um, and

01:33:23.581 --> 01:33:25.680
why is that affixed to your personality?

01:33:26.070 --> 01:33:29.520
I guess it makes you feel warm and cozy kind of, or something.

01:33:29.525 --> 01:33:29.865
I don't know.

01:33:29.865 --> 01:33:30.105
Yeah.

01:33:30.305 --> 01:33:32.100
I, I, I, I don't know.

01:33:32.100 --> 01:33:35.520
Probably because the hot chocolate is like, it's just cold.

01:33:35.581 --> 01:33:39.810
Like it's something that's great when it's too cold and it also tastes wonderful.

01:33:39.990 --> 01:33:42.386
So like, it has like this like double function.

01:33:42.386 --> 01:33:46.440
It's multiple usages kind of function of warming and taste and flavor.

01:33:46.470 --> 01:33:46.770
Okay.

01:33:46.831 --> 01:33:47.251
All right.

01:33:47.251 --> 01:33:49.171
And then lavender because it chills you out.

01:33:49.171 --> 01:33:52.860
And that's, I don't know that that fits my personality at all whatsoever.

01:33:53.341 --> 01:33:53.820
Yeah.

01:33:54.240 --> 01:33:56.850
But it definitely fits my favorite smell.

01:33:56.940 --> 01:33:59.251
I had a hold on the question.

01:33:59.251 --> 01:33:59.371
If you

01:33:59.371 --> 01:34:04.740
had to pick a smell that fits your personality, personality, not your favorite smells, but a smell that fits your personality.

01:34:05.310 --> 01:34:06.480
Oh yeah.

01:34:06.480 --> 01:34:08.251
It would probably be armpit sweat.

01:34:08.280 --> 01:34:08.490
Then.

01:34:09.871 --> 01:34:10.711
That's your work.

01:34:10.711 --> 01:34:11.310
Uh, ethic.

01:34:13.711 --> 01:34:15.301
I was thinking hot chocolate.

01:34:15.305 --> 01:34:17.131
If, if you were like a black fellow.

01:34:17.310 --> 01:34:18.871
Uh, hey, hot chocolate.

01:34:19.020 --> 01:34:19.381
Oh

01:34:19.381 --> 01:34:20.150
yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:20.150 --> 01:34:21.751
Um, that'd be sexual chocolate.

01:34:21.871 --> 01:34:22.320
Yeah.

01:34:22.650 --> 01:34:23.131
Um,

01:34:25.230 --> 01:34:25.890
let's see.

01:34:26.791 --> 01:34:27.511
Tootie fruity.

01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:28.440
Is that the smell?

01:34:28.470 --> 01:34:29.161
What's yours?

01:34:29.671 --> 01:34:31.440
A smell that would fit my personality.

01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:31.650
Yeah.

01:34:33.240 --> 01:34:36.091
I would say, um.

01:34:38.805 --> 01:34:38.865
Yeah.

01:34:38.865 --> 01:34:39.796
Maybe green chili.

01:34:40.155 --> 01:34:40.515
Okay.

01:34:41.506 --> 01:34:43.065
Why a little spicy?

01:34:43.126 --> 01:34:44.746
A little different.

01:34:45.166 --> 01:34:48.855
You know, the first time I had green chili I was like, that's amazing.

01:34:49.216 --> 01:34:49.485
Yeah.

01:34:49.515 --> 01:34:51.046
You know, and it'll shoot right through you.

01:34:51.975 --> 01:34:53.595
Sometimes I do that with my questions.

01:34:56.041 --> 01:34:56.530
Alright.

01:34:57.195 --> 01:34:57.615
I don't know.

01:34:57.886 --> 01:34:59.145
This is all off the cuff, by the way.

01:34:59.145 --> 01:34:59.445
I like

01:34:59.445 --> 01:35:00.286
the second part better.

01:35:04.065 --> 01:35:10.395
Um, if you're ready, I'm ready, uh, to jump into the loco experience.

01:35:10.456 --> 01:35:10.756
Okay.

01:35:10.966 --> 01:35:11.355
Let's do it.

01:35:11.626 --> 01:35:21.975
That is, uh, the craziest story from your whole life that you're willing to share with our listeners, including your future clients and past clients and your wife.

01:35:23.235 --> 01:35:23.746
All right.

01:35:23.746 --> 01:35:24.676
And your dog.

01:35:24.676 --> 01:35:25.185
Maybe

01:35:25.666 --> 01:35:27.076
My craziest story.

01:35:28.065 --> 01:35:29.386
Well, I told one of them.

01:35:29.926 --> 01:35:33.376
I decided to, I got fired from my job and I moved to Alaska.

01:35:33.435 --> 01:35:33.645
Yeah.

01:35:34.845 --> 01:35:35.595
Was a fisherman.

01:35:35.595 --> 01:35:37.065
And your girl girlfriend broke up with you too?

01:35:37.065 --> 01:35:37.365
Oh yeah.

01:35:38.206 --> 01:35:40.275
No, actually that was the time you broke up with her.

01:35:40.305 --> 01:35:42.286
No, that was, uh, she broke up up with me.

01:35:42.315 --> 01:35:42.555
Alright.

01:35:42.676 --> 01:35:42.855
Yeah.

01:35:43.126 --> 01:35:48.315
Um, she, she moved to Germany and then broke up with me for a German guy.

01:35:48.315 --> 01:35:48.706
Remember

01:35:48.706 --> 01:35:55.905
when it was like you could go fishing in Alaska, you could sell encyclopedias or like knives or something.

01:35:55.905 --> 01:36:02.565
There was like a few kind of crappy jobs that anybody could get anytime and you may or may not make a bunch of money.

01:36:03.211 --> 01:36:05.940
Come home from a summer with a pile of money in your

01:36:05.940 --> 01:36:06.091
pocket.

01:36:06.091 --> 01:36:06.270
Yeah.

01:36:06.270 --> 01:36:07.381
It's like Cutco, right?

01:36:07.381 --> 01:36:07.530
Yeah.

01:36:07.530 --> 01:36:09.211
Cutco was one, you know, Cutco when

01:36:09.211 --> 01:36:10.081
I was, I'm a little older.

01:36:10.081 --> 01:36:10.801
I'm 51.

01:36:11.100 --> 01:36:11.791
Fishing oil.

01:36:11.791 --> 01:36:13.680
For me it was still selling encyclopedias.

01:36:13.680 --> 01:36:14.371
Encyclopedia.

01:36:14.371 --> 01:36:14.551
Okay.

01:36:14.761 --> 01:36:15.001
Yeah.

01:36:15.001 --> 01:36:16.621
That was, that was a little bit past.

01:36:16.801 --> 01:36:17.070
Yeah.

01:36:17.070 --> 01:36:17.310
Yeah.

01:36:17.610 --> 01:36:19.110
They were, they were already their way out in my twenties.

01:36:19.110 --> 01:36:19.530
Yeah.

01:36:19.591 --> 01:36:22.440
And then there was, uh, there was oil, there was

01:36:22.530 --> 01:36:25.381
like magazine sales kind of stuff too, but,

01:36:25.440 --> 01:36:32.881
well, the other, the other one that was when I was in my twenties was going to Northern California and trimming pot.

01:36:32.911 --> 01:36:33.541
Oh, right.

01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:33.930
Yeah.

01:36:33.930 --> 01:36:35.440
See that wasn't, that was a huge one.

01:36:35.440 --> 01:36:37.591
I was already grown up in a real big boy job by then.

01:36:38.190 --> 01:36:40.680
That was a huge one when, when I was in my twenties.

01:36:40.711 --> 01:36:41.100
Yeah.

01:36:41.131 --> 01:36:42.810
That a lot of people would go out there.

01:36:42.841 --> 01:36:42.990
Yeah.

01:36:42.990 --> 01:36:43.291
Spend

01:36:43.291 --> 01:36:45.631
three months out there, come, come back with 20 grand in their pocket

01:36:45.690 --> 01:36:50.310
and like three, four pounds of pot now was worth another$20,000.

01:36:50.310 --> 01:36:50.610
Right.

01:36:50.610 --> 01:36:51.720
If you're willing to take the risk.

01:36:51.751 --> 01:36:52.291
Yeah.

01:36:52.416 --> 01:36:53.220
And, and, and

01:36:53.220 --> 01:36:58.411
I mean, sure, like that may have only added up to like 40 grand in the end, but like was a time a lot.

01:36:58.416 --> 01:36:58.555
40 grand.

01:36:59.011 --> 01:37:00.001
That was an annual salary.

01:37:00.001 --> 01:37:00.240
Yeah.

01:37:00.421 --> 01:37:00.570
When I

01:37:00.570 --> 01:37:04.515
moved here, I think my, my salary was like 28,000, you know, so that's, that was a lot.

01:37:04.615 --> 01:37:06.570
God, when I moved here, or 32, I don't know.

01:37:06.661 --> 01:37:09.390
When I moved here, I worked at the Olive Garden waiting tables.

01:37:09.930 --> 01:37:12.871
And they gave me$500 for a moving bonus.

01:37:12.900 --> 01:37:13.411
Oh, nice.

01:37:13.470 --> 01:37:14.551
And I thought it was huge.

01:37:14.640 --> 01:37:15.091
Right.

01:37:17.251 --> 01:37:20.461
Like I probably, that's probably like, careful.

01:37:20.461 --> 01:37:22.440
I can give you, I mean, yeah.

01:37:22.595 --> 01:37:26.581
I, I kind of like playing with them, but you can, if you want, um, some new ones you could play with.

01:37:27.990 --> 01:37:29.701
Well, here, let's do one more question actually.

01:37:29.911 --> 01:37:30.301
Sure.

01:37:30.301 --> 01:37:30.720
Why not?

01:37:31.621 --> 01:37:33.076
And then we'll get into story

01:37:33.185 --> 01:37:33.900
look of experience.

01:37:33.900 --> 01:37:34.140
But yeah.

01:37:34.140 --> 01:37:34.770
Warm, a warm

01:37:34.770 --> 01:37:34.831
up.

01:37:34.831 --> 01:37:35.610
Number three.

01:37:39.030 --> 01:37:41.131
How do you approach work life balance?

01:37:41.280 --> 01:37:41.761
Mr.

01:37:41.761 --> 01:37:43.740
Smells like pit, sweat, arm

01:37:43.740 --> 01:37:44.220
pit sweat.

01:37:44.850 --> 01:37:49.621
Um, I don't right now, just, uh, as a, um,

01:37:49.650 --> 01:37:51.270
cleaned up before I came to the podcast.

01:37:51.301 --> 01:37:51.631
Yeah.

01:37:51.900 --> 01:37:56.100
Uh, so I haven't been very good at that, especially in the last few years.

01:37:56.100 --> 01:37:57.480
And I'm trying to get better at that.

01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:02.926
And that's part of me, uh, paying people to do some of the mm-hmm.

01:38:03.006 --> 01:38:08.761
The jobs that like Erica and try to minimize your scope, Joey and Yeah.

01:38:08.761 --> 01:38:12.600
I'm, I'm trying to hand off a little bit more.

01:38:12.780 --> 01:38:17.041
Um, and it's been, it's, it's difficult, especially in the real estate world.

01:38:17.220 --> 01:38:17.341
Yeah.

01:38:17.341 --> 01:38:21.961
You gotta really like Joey to pass your residential, first time home buyer referrals to him.

01:38:21.961 --> 01:38:24.930
'cause you wanna make sure they're served very excellently.

01:38:24.990 --> 01:38:25.501
Right.

01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:27.480
And unfortunately he's not quite there yet.

01:38:27.511 --> 01:38:33.600
But, um, yeah, we've got, we've got some things where he's, he's going out and he's doing some of the work and he's helping out.

01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:34.350
But, um,

01:38:35.070 --> 01:38:36.360
well, and you're not there yet either.

01:38:36.756 --> 01:38:37.171
What, what.

01:38:38.220 --> 01:38:42.060
Like,'cause you're not there from a comfort level yet to be able to hand it off.

01:38:42.060 --> 01:38:42.720
Yeah.

01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:42.730
No,

01:38:42.730 --> 01:38:43.230
no, no.

01:38:43.230 --> 01:38:44.195
I'm wasting too much of

01:38:44.195 --> 01:38:44.275
this.

01:38:44.296 --> 01:38:45.690
But, I mean, but eventually freak.

01:38:45.690 --> 01:38:46.081
Yeah.

01:38:46.110 --> 01:38:55.921
But eventually you're gonna have to get to a place where you're comfortable when a residential referral comes in and it's this certain demographic that it just goes to Joey or one of the other Ns.

01:38:56.041 --> 01:39:00.720
I mean, I'll tell you what, I hope that that comfort starts on Wednesday, right?

01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:05.610
Because we're gonna Costa Rica, maybe it's happening, but, um, that's, that's part of

01:39:05.610 --> 01:39:06.511
building a team though too.

01:39:06.511 --> 01:39:06.780
Right?

01:39:06.780 --> 01:39:09.360
Let's, so your customers can actually be served when you're gone.

01:39:09.480 --> 01:39:10.081
Yeah.

01:39:10.171 --> 01:39:15.036
Um, I have, I've also, I've, I've said, I've passed on a few things Really?

01:39:15.041 --> 01:39:15.480
Really?

01:39:15.511 --> 01:39:15.751
Yeah.

01:39:15.751 --> 01:39:15.990
Leading

01:39:15.990 --> 01:39:16.740
up to this trip.

01:39:17.100 --> 01:39:19.315
Um, not just that, but this year Oh, just

01:39:19.395 --> 01:39:20.131
I got too much.

01:39:20.190 --> 01:39:20.490
Yeah.

01:39:20.490 --> 01:39:21.511
I've got too much

01:39:21.511 --> 01:39:26.041
on my plate and I, I'll refer it out to somebody else who I know and, and know and trust.

01:39:26.070 --> 01:39:26.280
Sure.

01:39:26.280 --> 01:39:30.270
Um, and so I've, I've done that a little bit and that's fine.

01:39:30.451 --> 01:39:30.600
Yeah.

01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:37.650
And unfortunately, and I hope none of you're watching, but I'm sorry, but most of those didn't turn into deals anyways.

01:39:37.980 --> 01:39:38.671
Um,

01:39:40.291 --> 01:39:40.591
yeah.

01:39:40.591 --> 01:39:44.400
They were kind of, well, sometimes you have to have a sniff for what's a waste of your time.

01:39:44.430 --> 01:39:44.820
Right.

01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:51.480
And that wasn't why I handed'em off, but like, it was, it was, I knew that they were gonna be difficult clients to work with.

01:39:51.480 --> 01:39:51.631
Yeah.

01:39:51.930 --> 01:39:55.381
And I'm sure maybe in the next like year or so, those clients will buy something.

01:39:55.501 --> 01:39:55.591
Sure.

01:39:55.591 --> 01:39:57.810
But you know, uh, yeah.

01:39:57.900 --> 01:39:59.161
Knowing, knowing.

01:39:59.746 --> 01:40:01.605
If somebody means it or they don't.

01:40:01.756 --> 01:40:08.506
Um, but there's sometimes there's a lot of guys out there that just wanna waste your time so that they look cool, you know, it's tough.

01:40:08.506 --> 01:40:10.845
They can tell their girlfriend, yeah, I'm looking for another investment property.

01:40:10.845 --> 01:40:11.326
Right.

01:40:11.416 --> 01:40:12.195
Yeah.

01:40:12.286 --> 01:40:14.416
No, it's like, God, man, you're good at this.

01:40:16.155 --> 01:40:16.395
I could

01:40:16.395 --> 01:40:17.716
imagine a lot of different jobs.

01:40:17.716 --> 01:40:17.775
Yeah.

01:40:17.775 --> 01:40:19.456
I dunno which one I wanna work at.

01:40:19.996 --> 01:40:21.286
Um, cool.

01:40:21.555 --> 01:40:24.555
Well, uh, okay, so the local experience, craziest, I cut you off earlier.

01:40:24.826 --> 01:40:25.935
Craziest, craziest experience story

01:40:26.595 --> 01:40:26.706
that I've got.

01:40:27.001 --> 01:40:32.055
So I, um, fell in the ocean in the middle of winter.

01:40:32.145 --> 01:40:32.536
Okay.

01:40:33.105 --> 01:40:34.126
In the bearing sea.

01:40:34.456 --> 01:40:34.845
Oh shit.

01:40:35.025 --> 01:40:39.405
Um, all right, this is on that first Crabber with the Russian dude or another, your second trip back.

01:40:39.761 --> 01:40:39.980
Yes.

01:40:39.985 --> 01:40:40.185
Yes.

01:40:40.275 --> 01:40:40.786
Same guy.

01:40:40.786 --> 01:40:41.296
Anyway, crab.

01:40:41.355 --> 01:40:42.496
Yeah, same, same boat.

01:40:42.706 --> 01:40:46.336
Um, I fell over, I don't remember any of it really.

01:40:46.336 --> 01:40:48.405
Like, not even what led up to falling over?

01:40:48.435 --> 01:40:48.796
No.

01:40:49.126 --> 01:40:52.515
Uh, the guys on my crew saved me.

01:40:53.025 --> 01:40:55.006
Um, I was on the deck.

01:40:55.065 --> 01:40:55.756
What's that look like?

01:40:55.756 --> 01:40:57.225
Saving you from that?

01:40:57.256 --> 01:40:58.456
Like, that's not easy task.

01:40:58.456 --> 01:40:58.636
Right.

01:40:58.636 --> 01:41:00.225
That's freaking super dangerous too.

01:41:00.256 --> 01:41:00.315
I

01:41:00.315 --> 01:41:02.416
mean, these dudes were pretty, they were pretty strong guys.

01:41:02.421 --> 01:41:02.621
Okay.

01:41:02.626 --> 01:41:04.155
So they were, they were tough guys.

01:41:04.155 --> 01:41:05.176
They were fishermen, fishing.

01:41:05.176 --> 01:41:06.166
They didn't have to go send a boat

01:41:06.166 --> 01:41:09.565
out into the water to get you, they were able to grab you somehow and pull you up or something.

01:41:09.565 --> 01:41:09.916
No, they, I

01:41:09.916 --> 01:41:12.706
mean, you know, uh, life ran, um, okay.

01:41:12.706 --> 01:41:13.155
Kind thing.

01:41:13.485 --> 01:41:18.315
We, oddly enough, we never really talked about it and I don't have any contact with these guys.

01:41:18.315 --> 01:41:18.466
Okay.

01:41:18.496 --> 01:41:19.036
Wow.

01:41:19.336 --> 01:41:19.756
Yeah.

01:41:19.756 --> 01:41:22.065
But, uh, starting where the memories restart.

01:41:22.831 --> 01:41:25.621
So I was on the, I was on the, the deck of the boat.

01:41:25.650 --> 01:41:29.070
It was not even that bad of a night out.

01:41:29.100 --> 01:41:29.761
It was cold.

01:41:30.150 --> 01:41:33.990
Um, but it was dark and, well, actually, I don't even think it was night yet.

01:41:33.990 --> 01:41:37.530
It was probably like four in the afternoon, you know, kind of thing.

01:41:37.530 --> 01:41:38.100
Oh, right.

01:41:38.100 --> 01:41:39.091
But it's dark all day anyway.

01:41:39.121 --> 01:41:39.301
Yeah.

01:41:39.301 --> 01:41:40.020
It gets dark.

01:41:40.020 --> 01:41:40.591
It gets dark.

01:41:40.591 --> 01:41:42.570
It you only have like a few hours of light.

01:41:42.631 --> 01:41:43.060
Yeah, yeah.

01:41:43.140 --> 01:41:44.640
In the, in the winter.

01:41:44.671 --> 01:41:44.791
Yeah.

01:41:44.791 --> 01:41:45.720
Our last exchange

01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:51.570
student was from Finland, and they, at the, in the depth of winter, it's, um, 24, 24 to 10 to two for them.

01:41:51.871 --> 01:41:52.291
Oh, okay.

01:41:52.291 --> 01:41:58.166
So they get, kind of get, you know, it starts to gray up at 10:00 AM and it goes back to gray at 2:00 PM Yeah,

01:41:58.166 --> 01:41:58.765
pretty similar.

01:41:59.791 --> 01:42:00.631
Um, but then after

01:42:00.631 --> 01:42:01.740
three o'clock it's dark as hell.

01:42:01.890 --> 01:42:02.190
Yeah.

01:42:02.326 --> 01:42:04.081
We, yeah, I was in, I was in.

01:42:04.515 --> 01:42:10.155
At this point, I wasn't in like the most southern Alaska, but I was like South Alaska.

01:42:10.815 --> 01:42:14.326
Um, which yeah, you have, you have a little bit of light.

01:42:14.326 --> 01:42:14.475
Yeah.

01:42:14.536 --> 01:42:15.826
You know, four hour, days, whatever.

01:42:15.826 --> 01:42:16.185
Yeah.

01:42:16.246 --> 01:42:17.445
But anyhow, um, yeah.

01:42:17.445 --> 01:42:20.235
So you're, I was in the shower all of a sudden.

01:42:20.296 --> 01:42:21.015
I was naked.

01:42:21.345 --> 01:42:21.886
Um,

01:42:22.395 --> 01:42:22.725
oh.

01:42:22.815 --> 01:42:24.166
And everything hurt.

01:42:24.225 --> 01:42:25.095
They're trying to warm you up.

01:42:25.155 --> 01:42:25.605
Yeah.

01:42:25.725 --> 01:42:29.956
And it burned ding and it hurt so much and I didn't know what I was doing there.

01:42:30.136 --> 01:42:30.586
Yeah.

01:42:30.676 --> 01:42:31.515
Um,

01:42:31.576 --> 01:42:33.525
your skin, just your hands.

01:42:33.525 --> 01:42:35.265
I've gotten my hands pretty damn cold, you know?

01:42:35.655 --> 01:42:35.716
Yeah.

01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:37.636
It hurts so much as it's warming.

01:42:37.636 --> 01:42:37.725
I

01:42:37.725 --> 01:42:43.515
think I was out of it for a little bit and I was starting to come back, and then I was starting to get that feeling back.

01:42:43.515 --> 01:42:46.006
And you know how it hurts when you start to get warm again?

01:42:46.036 --> 01:42:46.095
Yeah.

01:42:46.095 --> 01:42:47.746
When you're real cold, like, oh my God.

01:42:47.746 --> 01:42:48.615
It felt like that everywhere.

01:42:48.945 --> 01:42:52.426
And then it felt like that for like, for, for at least a week.

01:42:52.456 --> 01:42:57.225
And then everything on my body just hurt for a couple more weeks.

01:42:57.286 --> 01:42:58.036
Oh wow.

01:42:58.126 --> 01:42:58.576
Yeah.

01:42:58.815 --> 01:42:59.865
Were you working still?

01:43:00.435 --> 01:43:01.246
Um.

01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:04.086
You were in recovery basically there was two

01:43:04.086 --> 01:43:04.206
days.

01:43:04.211 --> 01:43:15.390
Two days where really all well, so that I was, I was, it was the second year that I was there, but everybody from the crew the first year had left the boat and I was the only longstanding one.

01:43:16.020 --> 01:43:20.881
And so I was actually like, I was kind of like, hit Johnny next time I was the deck boss.

01:43:20.881 --> 01:43:21.360
Right.

01:43:21.841 --> 01:43:22.770
Just by default.

01:43:23.341 --> 01:43:23.671
Wow.

01:43:23.701 --> 01:43:25.020
Not because of experience or anything.

01:43:25.081 --> 01:43:25.230
Right.

01:43:25.230 --> 01:43:27.511
Just because I was the only one that had worked on the boat the year before.

01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:27.961
Wow.

01:43:28.110 --> 01:43:32.911
Um, and so I just operated the crane and I mean, oh man, it was, it sucked.

01:43:33.121 --> 01:43:35.761
Um, for about a, about three weeks, almost a month.

01:43:35.791 --> 01:43:36.150
Wow.

01:43:36.451 --> 01:43:36.511
Yeah.

01:43:36.511 --> 01:43:36.751
So you

01:43:36.751 --> 01:43:39.900
were inches from death by the time you got out of there.

01:43:40.051 --> 01:43:40.261
Yeah.

01:43:40.291 --> 01:43:42.600
Had to have been if it took you three weeks to recover from it.

01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:42.841
Yeah.

01:43:42.841 --> 01:43:43.680
You must have been far.

01:43:43.890 --> 01:43:44.190
I was.

01:43:44.280 --> 01:43:45.570
I was, I was, I was messed up.

01:43:45.570 --> 01:43:52.020
And I mean, I'm sure that if I probably like went to a hospital or something like that, like maybe it would've been easier a psychologist faster.

01:43:52.020 --> 01:43:52.291
Oh yeah.

01:43:52.291 --> 01:43:52.951
As a psychologist.

01:43:53.251 --> 01:43:53.490
Sure.

01:43:54.030 --> 01:43:55.020
Actually I couldn't.

01:43:55.020 --> 01:43:57.001
Well, I'm sure if you haven't talked to a therapist

01:43:57.001 --> 01:43:58.110
about this, you probably should.

01:43:58.110 --> 01:43:58.140
Uh,

01:43:59.070 --> 01:43:59.911
but yeah.

01:43:59.911 --> 01:44:05.251
Um, no, I just, I just have my friends and, you know, random dudes at bars to talk to about their songs.

01:44:05.251 --> 01:44:05.430
Rumor.

01:44:05.430 --> 01:44:05.730
Right.

01:44:06.001 --> 01:44:07.591
Uh, but yeah, that was Monday.

01:44:07.711 --> 01:44:08.551
Or no, what's her name?

01:44:08.820 --> 01:44:09.240
Maybe?

01:44:09.690 --> 01:44:10.081
Maybe.

01:44:10.081 --> 01:44:10.140
Yeah.

01:44:10.230 --> 01:44:10.860
Maybe knows the small story.

01:44:10.921 --> 01:44:11.190
Maybe.

01:44:11.911 --> 01:44:12.211
Maybe.

01:44:12.211 --> 01:44:13.440
Doesn't get to hear the bad story.

01:44:13.440 --> 01:44:14.581
She only gets the good stuff.

01:44:14.610 --> 01:44:15.001
That's good.

01:44:15.390 --> 01:44:15.810
Maybe's the dog.

01:44:15.810 --> 01:44:16.831
Just to remind everybody.

01:44:17.131 --> 01:44:17.190
Yeah.

01:44:17.400 --> 01:44:17.640
True.

01:44:17.970 --> 01:44:20.161
But, um, what about your craziest story?

01:44:20.220 --> 01:44:20.911
Let me hear yours.

01:44:21.570 --> 01:44:23.671
Oh, you know, I've shared a few.

01:44:24.301 --> 01:44:27.211
Um, okay, here's one for you to stay in the cold theme.

01:44:27.930 --> 01:44:28.411
Um.

01:44:29.430 --> 01:44:37.890
With my extra financial aid money from my first semester, I bought a Sony stereo with detachable speakers when that was super cool.

01:44:37.890 --> 01:44:37.980
Sure.

01:44:37.980 --> 01:44:38.791
Kind of a bumper.

01:44:39.360 --> 01:44:45.390
The next semester I bought a, uh, Honda, uh, CX 500 motorcycle.

01:44:45.780 --> 01:44:46.171
Cool.

01:44:46.381 --> 01:44:50.400
So this is like the extra financial aid money I got above and beyond what I really need, kind of.

01:44:50.461 --> 01:44:52.291
Uh, it was loans I'm sure, but whatever.

01:44:52.740 --> 01:45:02.371
Um, and then the third semester, so the fall of my, my second year of college I bought a 1993 Arctic Cat Pantera.

01:45:02.551 --> 01:45:03.121
Oh yeah.

01:45:03.390 --> 01:45:09.360
Um, which had the big 500 cc engine and it had been ringed and board and was set up for track racing.

01:45:09.390 --> 01:45:10.291
You know, it's a random

01:45:10.291 --> 01:45:12.331
thing is that my dad made the dashboards.

01:45:12.480 --> 01:45:12.810
Oh really?

01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:14.220
That's awesome.

01:45:14.225 --> 01:45:14.975
That's like one of, that's awesome.

01:45:14.975 --> 01:45:18.091
Well, maybe not the Pantera, but like he for Arctic Cat.

01:45:18.091 --> 01:45:18.690
And so this was

01:45:18.690 --> 01:45:25.921
the days like when snowmobiles, there was a few years where snowmobiles had amazing engines, but terrible suspension.

01:45:25.980 --> 01:45:26.280
Yeah.

01:45:26.970 --> 01:45:44.371
I was right in the early days of that kind of, uh, and I didn't really know what I was doing, but I had a bunch of friends from home from Central North Dakota that had gotten into snowmobile and even before,'cause their dads had money when I was in high school and we didn't have any money for that kind of stuff, but thank you.

01:45:44.551 --> 01:45:45.841
Pell Grants and financial aid.

01:45:45.841 --> 01:45:46.020
Right.

01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:54.416
You know, and scholarships and so I had extra money, so I bought this snowmobile and it was about as fast as any of there, like, let's see, it was a.

01:45:55.006 --> 01:45:57.765
It must've been like 88 or something like that.

01:45:57.765 --> 01:45:59.536
And this was like 95 by this point.

01:45:59.536 --> 01:46:03.046
So the, the good sleds had a lot better suspension by that point, but I was just as fast.

01:46:03.405 --> 01:46:08.775
Anyway, we're riding one night and we're doing, you know, basically a poker run, a, a teenager poker run.

01:46:08.775 --> 01:46:14.475
'cause you got four different kids's houses where there's booze and you can hang out and stuff.

01:46:14.475 --> 01:46:21.105
And so we pop into them with our group of six snowmobiles or something, and I'm cruising probably like 80 miles an hour.

01:46:21.225 --> 01:46:24.136
And in Minnesota there's snow all over the place.

01:46:24.136 --> 01:46:28.876
In North Dakota, it's like in the ditches and then lots of snow at the end of the shelter belt.

01:46:29.326 --> 01:46:29.626
Okay.

01:46:29.626 --> 01:46:29.895
Right.

01:46:29.895 --> 01:46:36.676
Because the wind blows and then it forms this huge drift that starts at 14 feet high by the trees.

01:46:36.676 --> 01:46:36.765
Right.

01:46:36.765 --> 01:46:41.445
And then it goes slowly down to like whatever, a little tiny thing.

01:46:41.926 --> 01:46:55.605
And so I'm going fast riding down this ditch and the shelter bed and I'm not experienced and I want to, I go around my friend Donnie, and I'm passing him, he's going like 65, 70 miles an hour and I'm going 80.

01:46:55.845 --> 01:46:56.685
So I pass him.

01:46:56.685 --> 01:47:07.605
And then I see once I come out of this snow drift that where he's at is like a really fun, like three foot, slightly angled snow drift to jump over.

01:47:08.265 --> 01:47:13.935
Where I'm going is like a seven foot tall, very angled snowdrift to go over.

01:47:13.996 --> 01:47:14.326
Yeah.

01:47:16.095 --> 01:47:18.765
And I hit that thing going about 80 miles an hour.

01:47:19.036 --> 01:47:19.336
Oh, Jesus.

01:47:19.365 --> 01:47:25.305
And the snowmobile, tumbled, tumbled, tumbled and somehow landed on its track, uh, and was still running.

01:47:25.636 --> 01:47:25.905
Oh.

01:47:25.996 --> 01:47:35.475
And I, they told me I looked like Gumby, like just flying through the air and just like my limbs and hands and stuff, hitting the snow, but doing like cartwheels Yeah.

01:47:35.565 --> 01:47:41.206
Effectively for like a hundred yards and not a scratch on me.

01:47:41.206 --> 01:47:44.296
Not a broken bone, not a sprained ankle, nothing.

01:47:45.195 --> 01:47:47.145
And, uh, lucky.

01:47:47.145 --> 01:47:47.746
Totally lucky.

01:47:47.746 --> 01:47:47.895
Yeah.

01:47:47.895 --> 01:47:49.126
I could have broke my neck easily.

01:47:49.126 --> 01:47:49.996
Could have broke my neck.

01:47:50.475 --> 01:47:54.796
Um, and I hadn't even thought about that story except for the cold, maybe like Sure.

01:47:54.826 --> 01:47:54.945
Okay.

01:47:54.945 --> 01:47:56.536
What's a cold story I've got?

01:47:56.565 --> 01:47:57.195
Okay, hold on.

01:47:57.195 --> 01:47:58.246
I got one like that too.

01:47:58.246 --> 01:47:58.815
All right, let's hear it.

01:47:59.445 --> 01:48:05.685
My buddy Scotty, his dad was the groundskeeper of, uh, of a golf course in Long Island, New York.

01:48:05.716 --> 01:48:06.015
Okay.

01:48:06.435 --> 01:48:12.015
And we would, like, every weekend we would, we would, we would always like race the golf course run, basically.

01:48:12.015 --> 01:48:12.435
Yeah.

01:48:12.435 --> 01:48:14.371
And, you know,'cause they all have the governors on'em.

01:48:14.371 --> 01:48:14.570
Yeah.

01:48:14.570 --> 01:48:16.546
So like, you gotta like put it in neutral.

01:48:16.725 --> 01:48:17.171
You gotta get that too.

01:48:17.176 --> 01:48:18.435
You can hold up the thing and hold

01:48:18.435 --> 01:48:18.796
the governor.

01:48:19.240 --> 01:48:19.530
Yeah,

01:48:20.041 --> 01:48:20.685
yeah, yeah.

01:48:20.685 --> 01:48:22.786
But so we were on the, the utility ones.

01:48:22.786 --> 01:48:23.055
Right.

01:48:23.055 --> 01:48:27.975
And we were, they were, they were like the truck bed ones, bed golf carts.

01:48:27.975 --> 01:48:29.565
So we're racing down a hill.

01:48:29.836 --> 01:48:30.225
Right.

01:48:31.095 --> 01:48:31.605
And governor

01:48:31.605 --> 01:48:31.935
off.

01:48:33.451 --> 01:48:34.680
We're also tripping on acid.

01:48:36.060 --> 01:48:36.270
Okay.

01:48:37.140 --> 01:48:43.230
And so we're, we're going down, I'm in the back, I'm in the truck bed of it, and we're winning.

01:48:43.261 --> 01:48:50.551
And I look, or I turn back and I see the guys, and one, the guy who's behind us is like, dude, something like this.

01:48:50.551 --> 01:48:53.400
And then all of a sudden, like it was because there was a big curve,

01:48:53.490 --> 01:48:54.001
right?

01:48:54.060 --> 01:48:54.270
And

01:48:54.270 --> 01:48:55.110
we didn't realize it.

01:48:55.110 --> 01:49:00.570
So turns slides, I fly out of the, the back of the golf cart.

01:49:00.570 --> 01:49:00.631
Whoa.

01:49:00.810 --> 01:49:01.110
Right?

01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:06.930
And I land and then I get up and I'm like, man, you guys like, that was crazy.

01:49:06.930 --> 01:49:12.301
And they're all, all my friends are like over at the bush looking at me and they're like, dude, are you okay?

01:49:12.570 --> 01:49:13.230
Are you all right?

01:49:13.980 --> 01:49:15.511
And I'm like, Hey, I'm right here.

01:49:15.810 --> 01:49:16.201
Right?

01:49:16.440 --> 01:49:18.541
I was like, out of my body for second.

01:49:18.541 --> 01:49:18.551
Right?

01:49:18.551 --> 01:49:19.095
You had out of body experience almost.

01:49:19.621 --> 01:49:29.911
And then I look down and I look at myself, and then I go back into myself, and then I realize I'm laying in a huge bush of poison ivy.

01:49:32.461 --> 01:49:34.621
So, and I'm like crazy allergic to poison ivy.

01:49:34.711 --> 01:49:35.310
Oh gosh.

01:49:35.341 --> 01:49:43.171
So I get up and we, we get back together and I'm, I'm dinged up pretty good, but like, you know, it's just scrapes and, and whatnot.

01:49:43.501 --> 01:49:43.560
Yeah.

01:49:44.610 --> 01:49:47.581
Except for the fact that I got scraped and I got poison ivy and scraped.

01:49:48.001 --> 01:49:48.600
Oh, you almost

01:49:48.751 --> 01:49:50.100
like get sepsis or something.

01:49:50.161 --> 01:49:52.801
I was in real bad shape.

01:49:53.041 --> 01:49:53.100
Wow.

01:49:53.100 --> 01:49:53.911
After that.

01:49:54.270 --> 01:49:54.331
Wow.

01:49:54.331 --> 01:49:55.230
And uh, yeah.

01:49:55.230 --> 01:49:58.110
And so then coming off of that with

01:49:58.171 --> 01:49:59.520
Oh, plus you're tripping all of that.

01:49:59.610 --> 01:50:01.171
Gotta go to the emergency room and your trip.

01:50:01.230 --> 01:50:05.746
Oh no, I didn't, I didn't go to the, we didn't, didn't to the emergency, just, I just suffered through it and Oh damn.

01:50:05.761 --> 01:50:06.511
Oh my gosh.

01:50:06.511 --> 01:50:08.791
That was such an awful, awful, awful experience.

01:50:08.791 --> 01:50:08.850
Yeah.

01:50:08.850 --> 01:50:11.371
See, my life is, might have been one of the last times I ever did this stuff.

01:50:11.371 --> 01:50:11.610
My life is

01:50:11.610 --> 01:50:15.570
mostly about coming out unscathed from seemingly Yeah.

01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.551
Stupid circumstances that should have killed me.

01:50:17.581 --> 01:50:18.001
Yeah.

01:50:18.360 --> 01:50:22.110
I mean, most of these times, like, it might have hurt for a while afterwards.

01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:22.860
Not

01:50:22.860 --> 01:50:23.161
me.

01:50:23.386 --> 01:50:29.341
I made it, I remember like, I can see the video of me seeing that thing and being like, oh, I'm fucked.

01:50:29.430 --> 01:50:29.761
Yeah.

01:50:30.150 --> 01:50:33.690
And then flying through the air, you'll see lots of different views.

01:50:33.690 --> 01:50:35.251
Headlights are all over the place.

01:50:35.251 --> 01:50:35.671
No.

01:50:35.671 --> 01:50:36.060
You know.

01:50:36.121 --> 01:50:36.480
Ah.

01:50:36.631 --> 01:50:37.626
And then being like, huh.

01:50:38.881 --> 01:50:40.081
Snowmobile landed on its track.

01:50:40.081 --> 01:50:41.011
It's still running.

01:50:41.190 --> 01:50:41.581
Yeah.

01:50:41.587 --> 01:50:45.240
And walking over there and my friends are all riding up going, what the fuck

01:50:45.240 --> 01:50:45.270
are

01:50:45.270 --> 01:50:45.570
you?

01:50:45.570 --> 01:50:46.110
Okay, man.

01:50:47.671 --> 01:50:47.970
Anyway,

01:50:48.390 --> 01:50:49.230
I'm glad you made it.

01:50:49.230 --> 01:50:51.541
I'm too, I'm glad you and yeah, no broken.

01:50:51.661 --> 01:50:54.301
See, I never, like, I didn't ever break bones.

01:50:54.301 --> 01:50:59.280
I just had like, I just had like things that hurt for a little while.

01:50:59.280 --> 01:50:59.490
Well, and

01:50:59.490 --> 01:51:01.706
you got the garlic and onion allergy thing too.

01:51:01.765 --> 01:51:02.065
Oh yeah.

01:51:02.065 --> 01:51:02.881
Garlic and onion

01:51:02.881 --> 01:51:03.841
allergy is the worst.

01:51:03.961 --> 01:51:04.740
And that's new.

01:51:05.100 --> 01:51:05.520
Oh.

01:51:05.820 --> 01:51:06.331
Oh man.

01:51:06.331 --> 01:51:09.631
Imagine like finding out you're allergic to your two favorite foods is like,

01:51:09.841 --> 01:51:11.341
so did you overdo it, do you think?

01:51:11.951 --> 01:51:12.280
I don't know.

01:51:12.945 --> 01:51:14.265
That's what Sarah says.

01:51:15.405 --> 01:51:15.796
No,

01:51:15.886 --> 01:51:17.865
I've, I've experienced that before a little bit.

01:51:17.865 --> 01:51:21.376
Like the first time I grew my own weed in the backyard and I smoked too much of it.

01:51:21.376 --> 01:51:22.395
I like it.

01:51:23.086 --> 01:51:27.466
I kind of, I think, I feel like I've kind of didn't do myself physically any good.

01:51:27.466 --> 01:51:27.615
You know?

01:51:27.615 --> 01:51:30.796
I had some allergic to it, so now that I'm moderating

01:51:31.095 --> 01:51:31.515
Yeah.

01:51:31.576 --> 01:51:35.386
You know, kinda like you were talking, uh, then it's okay, you know?

01:51:35.865 --> 01:51:36.345
Yeah.

01:51:36.435 --> 01:51:40.546
Um, I, um, I had a funny experience a couple weeks ago.

01:51:40.636 --> 01:51:53.805
I had a wisdom tooth removed and, uh, I, I made a bunch of oil'cause I was like, I was like, Hey, well, you know, like I don't want to take pain pills, so I'm gonna make a bunch of pot oil.

01:51:54.286 --> 01:51:54.615
Oh.

01:51:54.855 --> 01:51:56.326
So I took, made it a little too strong.

01:51:56.326 --> 01:51:56.956
Did you Dude?

01:51:56.956 --> 01:51:57.466
So strong.

01:51:59.506 --> 01:52:01.845
And I took like a half of a shot glass of it.

01:52:01.876 --> 01:52:02.475
Oh shit.

01:52:02.506 --> 01:52:05.655
And I thought, like I didn't, I thought it was gonna be weak.

01:52:06.451 --> 01:52:08.551
Oh my fuck.

01:52:08.551 --> 01:52:11.461
It was such a, it was such a nightmare for a while.

01:52:11.581 --> 01:52:12.001
Have you ever

01:52:12.001 --> 01:52:13.411
overdosed yourself on weed before?

01:52:13.411 --> 01:52:15.180
I mean, I think I did that to, right?

01:52:15.180 --> 01:52:15.961
Yeah.

01:52:15.961 --> 01:52:15.970
Yeah.

01:52:16.110 --> 01:52:17.820
But like, I, I was like, so it was

01:52:17.820 --> 01:52:21.030
equivalent of like 400 milligrams or some bologna, few eating edibles.

01:52:21.030 --> 01:52:21.060
I

01:52:21.060 --> 01:52:22.501
mean, probably more like 4,000.

01:52:22.501 --> 01:52:25.711
God, like, like it was crazy.

01:52:25.980 --> 01:52:28.711
And I had like this stitch in my, in my thing, right?

01:52:28.711 --> 01:52:28.980
Yeah.

01:52:29.041 --> 01:52:33.270
And so in my, in my mouth, and I'm like paranoid about that.

01:52:33.270 --> 01:52:34.770
I'm like, I'm gonna mess this up.

01:52:34.770 --> 01:52:35.280
And like,

01:52:35.280 --> 01:52:36.511
you can't see it or anything?

01:52:36.706 --> 01:52:36.926
No.

01:52:37.265 --> 01:52:38.341
And I, oh

01:52:38.341 --> 01:52:38.671
man.

01:52:38.730 --> 01:52:39.631
Oh my gosh.

01:52:39.631 --> 01:52:41.371
It was so, it was, it was so bad.

01:52:41.371 --> 01:52:42.360
So the kids, the lesson

01:52:42.360 --> 01:52:44.551
here is always start small, small.

01:52:44.761 --> 01:52:46.591
Don't ever do a half a shot of anything.

01:52:46.595 --> 01:52:48.060
I totally thought I was starting small.

01:52:48.060 --> 01:52:49.020
Oh, last opportunity.

01:52:49.081 --> 01:52:52.411
Um, that's the infinity, um, barrel.

01:52:52.801 --> 01:52:57.421
And we can do a little wee taste, but I just poured some, it's got gin in it.

01:52:57.421 --> 01:52:58.381
It's got tequila in it.

01:52:58.386 --> 01:52:59.581
Let's, it's got bourbon, whatever.

01:52:59.581 --> 01:53:00.001
Let's do it.

01:53:00.060 --> 01:53:00.270
All right.

01:53:00.270 --> 01:53:01.320
I'll, I'll grab it real quick.

01:53:01.320 --> 01:53:01.560
Sounds great.

01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:01.680
Yeah.

01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:07.860
Oh yeah.

01:53:07.860 --> 01:53:08.881
Have special glasses for it.

01:53:10.110 --> 01:53:10.621
No, it sucks.

01:53:10.711 --> 01:53:11.251
What'd you call it?

01:53:11.251 --> 01:53:12.121
The infinity barrel.

01:53:12.180 --> 01:53:12.631
Infinity.

01:53:12.631 --> 01:53:22.411
So every, every time I get a new, um, bottle of whiskey for the podcast operation, I put a half a shot or maybe a shot into this bottle.

01:53:22.860 --> 01:53:25.411
So it's a mix of everything that's been.

01:53:26.490 --> 01:53:28.201
Consumed in this podcast studio.

01:53:28.291 --> 01:53:28.470
Oops.

01:53:28.470 --> 01:53:30.780
That's more for Let's go big.

01:53:30.780 --> 01:53:32.100
Also, I'll just give you part.

01:53:32.195 --> 01:53:32.640
Oh, okay.

01:53:32.640 --> 01:53:36.600
I was gonna say, I don't wanna go big or I give you a little more still.

01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:36.711
Wait, wait, wait.

01:53:36.711 --> 01:53:37.440
We, no, it's all good.

01:53:37.591 --> 01:53:38.655
So this is the infinity shot.

01:53:39.036 --> 01:53:39.600
We do a shot.

01:53:39.900 --> 01:53:40.081
Yeah.

01:53:40.081 --> 01:53:40.801
We not set.

01:53:40.801 --> 01:53:43.381
Well, we could, we can do a tasting notes first and then shoot it maybe.

01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:43.801
Okay.

01:53:43.801 --> 01:53:44.190
Let's do that.

01:53:44.341 --> 01:53:44.640
Okay.

01:53:44.881 --> 01:53:47.610
Um, I mean, if, if we've learned anything from my last

01:53:47.610 --> 01:53:47.911
story

01:53:54.900 --> 01:53:56.850
and I feel like you can, there is some scotch in there.

01:53:56.850 --> 01:53:58.890
There's just a little bit of one scotch is in there.

01:53:58.966 --> 01:53:59.086
I,

01:53:59.246 --> 01:54:03.060
I, I taste like scotch and gin.

01:54:03.240 --> 01:54:07.110
I know the gin is, the gin can't be more than like 5% by now.

01:54:07.711 --> 01:54:08.070
Okay.

01:54:08.070 --> 01:54:08.881
Like, oh.

01:54:08.881 --> 01:54:10.440
But it carries the most,

01:54:10.680 --> 01:54:13.171
it's the biggest swinger out of all those.

01:54:14.461 --> 01:54:14.610
Okay.

01:54:14.610 --> 01:54:15.661
I'm gonna do another taste.

01:54:15.690 --> 01:54:17.520
I can't taste much tequila anymore.

01:54:18.421 --> 01:54:19.501
I don't taste any tequila.

01:54:22.291 --> 01:54:23.011
I don't taste te tequila.

01:54:23.490 --> 01:54:24.451
I literally only taste like, I've

01:54:24.451 --> 01:54:29.551
honestly not been drinking nearly as much tequila in the podcast studio the last few months.

01:54:29.671 --> 01:54:30.451
Well, next

01:54:30.451 --> 01:54:31.831
time I'll bring my favorite bottle.

01:54:32.041 --> 01:54:32.341
Okay.

01:54:32.701 --> 01:54:33.091
I like it.

01:54:33.751 --> 01:54:34.470
Um,

01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:35.041
I like it.

01:54:35.220 --> 01:54:36.091
It's, it's good.

01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:37.291
It started right?

01:54:37.320 --> 01:54:38.940
You know what it started tastes like to me.

01:54:39.001 --> 01:54:39.480
Um.

01:54:39.826 --> 01:54:41.836
Do, do you know Wiz Cal local company?

01:54:41.836 --> 01:54:42.046
Yeah, I just

01:54:42.046 --> 01:54:42.886
had those guys on, actually.

01:54:42.886 --> 01:54:43.605
That's, uh,

01:54:43.695 --> 01:54:43.876
who?

01:54:43.876 --> 01:54:44.716
Justin and Joel.

01:54:44.805 --> 01:54:46.666
Uh, Joel and Jess.

01:54:47.025 --> 01:54:47.480
Oh, Jess, yeah.

01:54:47.480 --> 01:54:47.985
Jess Grease.

01:54:48.015 --> 01:54:48.286
Yeah.

01:54:48.345 --> 01:54:49.546
Yeah, Jess is my attorney.

01:54:50.001 --> 01:54:50.121
Yeah.

01:54:50.895 --> 01:54:51.945
So, uh, business attorney.

01:54:54.796 --> 01:54:55.485
So yeah.

01:54:55.485 --> 01:54:55.496
Yeah.

01:54:55.496 --> 01:55:02.265
We, we, I, I was, that was the most, uh, drinky I got because they brought four different bottles to try.

01:55:02.265 --> 01:55:03.975
Plus we did the Infinity shot.

01:55:04.036 --> 01:55:04.456
No kidding.

01:55:04.515 --> 01:55:08.025
I went straight from here to, uh, dinner with a good friend.

01:55:08.985 --> 01:55:09.006
Oh, wow.

01:55:09.006 --> 01:55:09.121
Family.

01:55:09.430 --> 01:55:09.720
Yeah.

01:55:09.796 --> 01:55:11.685
Joe's uh, Joe's like a brother to me now.

01:55:11.716 --> 01:55:12.225
That's awesome.

01:55:12.286 --> 01:55:12.405
Yeah.

01:55:12.405 --> 01:55:13.065
Well, uh,

01:55:13.065 --> 01:55:20.805
yeah, he's our long time member, Abby, who obviously, you know, uh, so Abby's been a member since not as well as Jill before 2020.

01:55:21.376 --> 01:55:21.615
Oh, cool.

01:55:21.615 --> 01:55:24.201
And uh, so yeah, the two of them just, oh, they're engaged now.

01:55:24.201 --> 01:55:24.251
Oh, AB was an actual

01:55:24.525 --> 01:55:25.845
member of Loco.

01:55:25.845 --> 01:55:26.145
Yeah.

01:55:26.176 --> 01:55:26.416
Yeah.

01:55:26.416 --> 01:55:27.645
Abby's been a member'cause so

01:55:27.645 --> 01:55:37.725
like, when there weren't any weddings in 2020 and all the government buildings and other places shut us out, she allowed Loko think tank chapters to meet in her conference room down there and stuff.

01:55:37.756 --> 01:55:42.975
'cause we're a bunch of libertarian crazy people that aren't scared of your manufactured bugs.

01:55:42.975 --> 01:55:45.765
You Chinese, it's just wanna talk about that season?

01:55:45.770 --> 01:55:46.240
Yeah, I do.

01:55:46.576 --> 01:55:47.145
Yeah, let's do it.

01:55:47.145 --> 01:55:47.895
Let's talk about that.

01:55:47.895 --> 01:55:48.136
All right.

01:55:48.136 --> 01:55:48.645
Tell me about

01:55:48.645 --> 01:55:48.826
it.

01:55:48.975 --> 01:55:53.265
Tell me, tell me, okay, so how did you, how did you feel going into it?

01:55:53.926 --> 01:55:54.525
Um,

01:55:56.506 --> 01:55:57.765
and then how did you, how did you feel

01:55:58.246 --> 01:55:58.756
once you'd survived?

01:55:58.756 --> 01:56:00.256
Somebody cooked this thing up?

01:56:00.286 --> 01:56:00.586
Yeah.

01:56:01.305 --> 01:56:07.576
I was never very scared because I read the data right away that said basically, if you're less than.

01:56:08.551 --> 01:56:09.990
50, you're probably fine.

01:56:10.051 --> 01:56:10.291
Yeah.

01:56:10.320 --> 01:56:16.470
If you're less than 20, you'd be a fool to take some kind of a fast tracked solution for this.

01:56:17.041 --> 01:56:26.251
Um, and I expressed like a week before Trump posted the, I hope the, uh, cure isn't worse than the poison or worse than the disease.

01:56:26.256 --> 01:56:26.355
Mm-hmm.

01:56:26.761 --> 01:56:30.091
I posted that effectively on my LinkedIn Yeah.

01:56:30.480 --> 01:56:35.190
And said, you know, that the cure that they're applying here is probably worse than letting it rip through.

01:56:35.911 --> 01:56:36.091
Yeah.

01:56:36.091 --> 01:56:37.501
And moving on with life.

01:56:37.951 --> 01:56:41.761
'cause economically it's gonna fucking suck to put the government in a bunch of debt.

01:56:41.970 --> 01:56:47.581
Shut down all these businesses, especially small businesses, while you let the big businesses stay open and sell shit online.

01:56:47.820 --> 01:56:48.091
Yeah.

01:56:48.121 --> 01:56:48.690
Assholes.

01:56:49.291 --> 01:57:04.081
Um, and so that was my position was, uh, a staunch libertarian and a staunch advocate for small business and the rights of people in particular, nurses that already got sick and got healthy to not be fired for making choices.

01:57:04.411 --> 01:57:14.890
So that was, I was always, and I, and I respected my friends that left their groceries in the back of the car for a day before they brought them in so they didn't have to touch the plastic bags anymore and stuff.

01:57:14.890 --> 01:57:14.996
Stuff.

01:57:14.996 --> 01:57:15.076
Oh yeah.

01:57:15.076 --> 01:57:15.435
What the fuck was that?

01:57:15.570 --> 01:57:16.381
I remember that shit.

01:57:16.386 --> 01:57:19.560
I mean, I, I've got a, a good friend still that took that approach, right?

01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:20.041
Like Yeah.

01:57:20.070 --> 01:57:25.110
Him and especially his wife at that time were super, super, the other side of the spectrum.

01:57:25.230 --> 01:57:25.591
Yeah.

01:57:25.650 --> 01:57:27.570
But before there was a spectrum that developed.

01:57:28.020 --> 01:57:28.230
Right.

01:57:28.230 --> 01:57:35.581
I'm my, for my, so for me, risky is a different definition than it is for other people.

01:57:35.581 --> 01:57:36.240
I have a different.

01:57:36.706 --> 01:57:38.536
Tolerance for risks than a lot of people.

01:57:38.536 --> 01:57:40.996
If he's Tell me 1% chance you're gonna die.

01:57:40.996 --> 01:57:41.565
I'm like, oh.

01:57:41.565 --> 01:57:43.036
So 99% chance I'm not.

01:57:43.065 --> 01:57:43.456
Yeah.

01:57:43.636 --> 01:57:43.996
You know?

01:57:44.176 --> 01:57:47.025
Well, I personally, I take zero risks in life.

01:57:47.115 --> 01:57:47.475
Yeah.

01:57:47.480 --> 01:57:47.490
So

01:57:48.435 --> 01:57:48.945
that's fine.

01:57:49.365 --> 01:57:50.475
And so what was your approach?

01:57:51.105 --> 01:57:51.796
My approach,

01:57:51.855 --> 01:57:52.365
um, in

01:57:52.365 --> 01:57:52.935
that time?

01:57:53.176 --> 01:57:53.355
Yeah.

01:57:53.355 --> 01:57:56.086
How did you, did mine certainly evolved over time.

01:57:56.086 --> 01:57:57.945
I've had COVID eight times.

01:57:57.975 --> 01:57:58.006
Mm.

01:57:58.275 --> 01:57:59.296
So how many

01:57:59.296 --> 01:58:00.076
times you went back X?

01:58:00.555 --> 01:58:02.895
Uh, I did twice.

01:58:02.926 --> 01:58:03.225
Okay.

01:58:03.286 --> 01:58:06.315
But I, my, my father was dying.

01:58:06.615 --> 01:58:14.445
Um, well, and plus I had to in order to go visit him, and I would not have it because the vaccine made me feel so much worse than, yeah.

01:58:14.445 --> 01:58:15.315
Than having COVID.

01:58:15.826 --> 01:58:17.265
Like, I literally, well

01:58:17.265 --> 01:58:23.746
my friend died, my freaking 44-year-old friend died after getting his mandatory shot from working for Microsoft.

01:58:23.805 --> 01:58:24.195
Oh.

01:58:24.195 --> 01:58:25.365
He definitely shot my buddy's friend,

01:58:25.546 --> 01:58:28.246
dad friends, or my friend's dad died.

01:58:28.305 --> 01:58:31.065
I've had three, I've had 360 people that I've known.

01:58:31.546 --> 01:58:33.886
Pe three people I knew died from COVID.

01:58:33.886 --> 01:58:33.975
He

01:58:33.975 --> 01:58:34.756
didn't die from the shot.

01:58:34.756 --> 01:58:37.485
He died from a heart attack a week after he took the shot.

01:58:39.136 --> 01:58:41.176
I mean, uh, super healthy guy.

01:58:42.195 --> 01:58:42.315
Yeah.

01:58:42.315 --> 01:58:42.676
What are the chances,

01:58:42.676 --> 01:58:42.796
right?

01:58:42.796 --> 01:58:42.855
Yeah.

01:58:42.855 --> 01:58:42.945
It's

01:58:42.945 --> 01:58:43.065
weird.

01:58:43.065 --> 01:58:44.041
Um, no.

01:58:44.041 --> 01:58:45.315
Um, so anyway, keep going.

01:58:45.765 --> 01:58:48.360
I had a friend, he passed away from CID.

01:58:48.586 --> 01:58:49.275
He had asthma.

01:58:49.636 --> 01:58:50.865
He had really bad asthma.

01:58:50.895 --> 01:58:51.195
Yeah.

01:58:51.555 --> 01:58:54.525
Um, I had another friend whose mom passed.

01:58:54.525 --> 01:58:55.695
She was.

01:58:56.310 --> 01:58:56.551
Yeah.

01:58:56.551 --> 01:58:58.996
So your control group situation was a lot different.

01:58:58.996 --> 01:58:59.850
She was, she was foot out the door though.

01:59:00.001 --> 01:59:00.270
Yeah.

01:59:00.421 --> 01:59:01.636
Like, I mean, she was, she wasn't doing well.

01:59:01.636 --> 01:59:04.171
My, my aunt just about passed and then

01:59:04.171 --> 01:59:16.171
we had another friend, we had another, my wife's uncle passed from it, but he was, I mean, ready to go to, he was half our height and twice our weight.

01:59:16.411 --> 01:59:16.890
Right.

01:59:16.951 --> 01:59:17.761
So, you know,

01:59:17.820 --> 01:59:19.020
I mean, those were the biggest things.

01:59:19.020 --> 01:59:26.070
If you were heavily overweight or if you were really old and probably, well, and he was also, and probably also, nature should have already taken you.

01:59:26.131 --> 01:59:26.310
Yeah.

01:59:26.310 --> 01:59:26.595
He was 70.

01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:30.841
Like in Le County, the median age of death was like 84.

01:59:31.110 --> 01:59:31.411
Yeah.

01:59:31.440 --> 01:59:32.820
For the first like eight months.

01:59:33.001 --> 01:59:33.421
Yeah.

01:59:33.451 --> 01:59:33.780
Well,

01:59:33.780 --> 01:59:36.091
but we live in a healthier county than True.

01:59:36.091 --> 01:59:36.570
Most.

01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:36.871
Yeah.

01:59:37.051 --> 01:59:37.230
Fair.

01:59:37.230 --> 01:59:38.970
Um, like, statistically, like yeah.

01:59:38.970 --> 01:59:40.051
In Alabama, the 30 year

01:59:40.051 --> 01:59:43.051
olds are dropping like flies'cause they're a bunch of heavies, you know?

01:59:43.051 --> 01:59:43.110
Yeah.

01:59:43.140 --> 01:59:45.720
And they, well they also, they eat nothing but shit.

01:59:45.751 --> 01:59:45.990
Right.

01:59:45.990 --> 01:59:46.201
You know?

01:59:46.621 --> 01:59:47.041
Right.

01:59:47.820 --> 01:59:48.421
Shitty food.

01:59:48.511 --> 01:59:48.810
Yeah.

01:59:49.650 --> 01:59:50.490
Not actual shit.

01:59:50.490 --> 01:59:51.841
Not actual, just to clarify.

01:59:52.081 --> 01:59:57.030
Nothing against those southern folk for eating shit that do, but we don't really believe those rumors.

02:00:00.180 --> 02:00:00.900
Let's take a turn.

02:00:03.900 --> 02:00:06.121
So it goes, Ava said we were good until six.

02:00:06.121 --> 02:00:07.680
Ted, it's 6 27.

02:00:07.740 --> 02:00:08.461
Oh, hey.

02:00:08.520 --> 02:00:10.560
Um, do you want to, he wants to go home here.

02:00:10.621 --> 02:00:11.730
Here's John Pauley.

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BBP Realty, BBP Realty 9 7 0 3 0 8 6 6 6 2.

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A 6, 6, 6 number there too.

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I got it actually the day after I got home from fishing.

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So Joel,

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Joel sold his soul to the devil's advocate.

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Jess, uh, was his crazy experience from a, a music festival.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah.

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So that he could open a spirit and distilling company.

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Okay.

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I mean, he didn't sell it to the devil.

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He sold it to the devil's advocate.

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Yeah, no, I, um, I, uh, anyway, I just, he was the winner.

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I worked in rock and roll for a long time and they actually, they gave me, so the, the, when I was getting my phone hooked up, they gave me an option.

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They said, well, do you want this number, this number four 20 Oh, or 6 6 6 2?

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And I was like, huh.

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I mean, I came back here on literally on 6, 6, 6.

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I was like, so how about 6, 6, 6 2?

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Yeah,

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I dig

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it.

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And um, that was actually how I got it.

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But it is, yeah, it,

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have you been back to church since the Gospel Church in North Carolina, by the way.

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Oh yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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My, my father was a pastor.

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Oh, wow.

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Um, oh, interesting.

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In addition to his corporate career.

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Yeah.

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After or after he washed outta that, when

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he retired, he became a pastor.

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Pastor.

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My, uh, my a mean pastor.

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Or did

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he get nicer after a while?

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Mm.

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Still mean

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Pastor Dick.

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So you, his name is Richard.

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He went by Dick and he was Pastor Dick.

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Okay.

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Um, God bless.

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You're still a dad.

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Um, but, uh, yes, I have been, I, um, I'm not, I'm, I'm not active in a church.

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Um, I, but you also, I believe in a lot, respect

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them.

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Appreciate them.

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I believe, I believe in a lot.

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I believe You think Jesus is cool.

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I think Jesus is way badass.

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Right.

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I'm just afraid of some of his followers.

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True.

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Also.

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So would you like to His American followers mostly?

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No, I can't do it.

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The, the most terrible joke that I know.

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Uh, I was reminded of it this last weekend and I can't say it on here'cause Jill would never forgive me if I say it in a public forum, but I'll tell you after we get off there.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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Thanks John.

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It's been fun.

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Thanks a luck.

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Bye.

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Bye for now.