EXPERIENCE 248 | Innovation at the Digital Workshop: Insights from Stu Crair

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In today's episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I sat down with Stu Crair, the founder and executive director of the Digital Workshop Center, a musician as well as an adjunct professor at CSU.

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Stu shares his history, balancing professional commitments and musical pursuits, offering insights to his roles, kind of creating a job at CSU and Elsewise, and the evolution of the Digital Workshop Center from his garage to now a nice office in downtown Fort Collins.

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We also discussed his journey from Ohio to Fort Collins and how music brought him here, the changes in the music industry and how one can make a buck in today's music world, as well as the diverse music from Dead Floyd Musketeer Grip Weed and a new Ruby Stew.

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Stu also shares kind of a pivot in his later life becoming a husband and then now a father over the last few years, as well as the impact of that on his day-to-day existence.

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He's also got a great loco experience that you'll have to tune in for with a little bit of mobster action.

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So please tune in and enjoy my conversation with Stu Crair.

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Let's have some fun.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Stu Crair.

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Stu is the Executive Director of the Digital Workshop Center.

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He's an adjunct instructor at CSU, and he's a band member of some of Fort Collins finest Loco bands, dead Floyd Musketeer Grip Weed, and a new one.

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Ruby Stu, STEW.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not STU.

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You got it.

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Thanks.

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Where do you spend most of your time?

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Um, well, you know, I balance things.

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I I kinda have like two lives.

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Yeah.

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So, um, running the workshop, daily Day job is what I would consider that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, that's most of what I'm doing, you know, Monday through Friday during the daytime, and then the evenings I'm, I tend to be playing music or hanging out at home with the family,

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but, and where do you fit the CSU stuff in?

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Just kind of, that's just a one class thing.

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It's a

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one class thing.

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I've been doing it now, this is 11 years.

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Wow.

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Which is nuts.

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Uh, it's probably about how long you and I have known each other close to it, something like that.

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Um, and, uh, it's, it's, it's always been one section.

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It was Mondays and Wednesdays from like two to three 30.

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It was very easy to fit in.

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And then last year they came to me and said, uh, it's been full for a long time.

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Can you do a second section?

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And I said, sure, I can use a little extra income.

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Show me the money.

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Yeah, you got a kid, right?

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They made, I got a kid.

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They made it worth my while to buy some diapers.

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Uh, so now I do two sections.

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So basically it's like my Monday, Wednesday afternoons kinda get eaten up by it.

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Yeah.

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But, um, uh, but yeah, so I I fit it in.

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It, it, it's, uh, that's not the hard part.

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The hard part is the grading afterwards, but Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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Well, and, and with a, a music lifestyle that is here and there and sometimes not, you know, and, uh, yeah, I'm sure there's busy seasons and slower seasons in that world.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Summers tend to be, I mean, all the way.

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Through the summer into now.

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Yeah.

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You could say the couple weeks before Thanksgiving it tends to die off.

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And then through the winter it can be very quiet.

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And now Musketeer Grip weed has been around for a good long while.

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Right.

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Like when I first came to town, I, um, some of our mutual friends knew Ben pretty well from your Yeah.

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From your band there.

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And that must've been what, like 20 years?

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20 years?

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That's what I thought.

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Yeah.

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I haven't been involved since the beginning.

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So Ben and Jason met 20 years ago, started it, um, and they had a couple different rotating lineups and I was then playing with Dead Floyd, where Matt, the keyboard player was also, um, a part of, and he was also, he was in grip weed.

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He came, started playing with us.

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Very ancestral in music.

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Yeah.

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He was like, especially Locoly, Hey,

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we need a drummer.

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And it turns out Stu is.

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Not as bad as our last drummer.

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So yeah, their,

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their drummer at the time had a bunch of legal issues I won't get into.

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And so he was out and they had a bunch of big gigs coming up, including like the big stage, the New West Fest Oh, right.

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And some other big ones at that time.

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And, um, uh, yeah, so I played one, like small something with him, and then it was that new s festival in front of a, you know, 10,000 people or something.

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And they liked you and, and we, we were all like, friendly enough, but, um, strangely, I, I met Jason, this Louis singer, like pretty early on when I moved here.

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I, I lived with a guy named Alan.

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Alan was one of these kinda like, connector guys in networking, as I'm sure you can relate.

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I might be one of them.

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Yeah.

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And you, I think you're one of them.

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Um, and, uh.

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He just was like, great at bringing people together in different ways.

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Cool.

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So, um, Jason showed up at his house one day.

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We were all just hanging out, just like very casual, but he had his, his son holding him in his like forearm, which I very clearly remember.

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The football hold, the football hold.

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And that's the first time I met him and fast forward, you know, and then I, I kind of met him and, you know, whatever.

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But, uh, ended up playing with him.

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His son is now 20 to put things in perspective.

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Oh wow.

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And so, yeah, he now plays bass and you all that.

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He, we can hang out, you know.

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That's cool.

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That's cool.

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But, uh, so anyway, yeah.

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Group weed's been along around a long time.

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My, uh, the other marker for me is that, uh, Ben's first daughter, he was, they were pregnant with her when I played that new fest kick.

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So it was like two weeks after I'd been playing with him and as we finished, he got a call from his wife, like, I'm going into labor.

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Oh, wow.

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And so that day, that's a memorable way, maybe the next day, but I think it was biggest stage ever, perhaps for Musketeer, for one of, yeah.

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Bigger shows.

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We walked.

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And then, uh, he's like, I gotta go.

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It was his first kid.

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He was all like, you know, a little paralyzed with like, what's happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But anyway, so she is.

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14 if I'm doing my math right.

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Very cool.

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So that's as long as I've been playing with them.

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There you go.

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So that's a long story for that.

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All good.

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Let's, uh, your day job.

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Yeah.

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Let's talk about the workshop center a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Um, that is, has it always been at the location where it is now?

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Uh, we bounced around a little bit, so, um, you know, my background's in education.

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I, I worked for, uh, a couple community colleges and adult ed centers, uh, when I grew up in Columbus, Ohio.

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And I had lived in a couple places, moved back there and I was working there, uh, and then up moving out here.

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So I worked at Front Range and I worked at, um, I think like a couple things at ames and I was like a contract instructor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I was working other jobs, but um, I always got frustrated with what they were doing with Yeah.

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You just saw gaps in what they were providing kind of thing.

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Yeah, exactly.

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There's a lot of gaps.

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There was a lot of just, um, very slow moving to technology changes.

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Okay.

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They were always way behind the ball, which is still a problem.

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It's just.

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And now that I know more about why they are, it's, I, I understand it.

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Right.

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But, um, but a

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smaller, more nimble organization can really adapt and provide the training that you really need.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And we could do it very customized and very like personal.

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Yeah.

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Pretty affordable.

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Too affordable.

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I sent my staff, took some of your classes down there and made a big difference.

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Try to, and, but I think the, the, the niche and why we blasted so long is just really the in person and the kind of customization piece.

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So it's like a little more like having a mentor to learn these technology

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tools kind of guide through the process instead of here's the information, learn it if you want to, don't learn it if you don't want to.

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I don't care.

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I'm just

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Yeah.

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Here to deliver the goods.

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Here's, and, or, you know, watch a video and figure it out.

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Right, right.

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Like those, there's like a massively, uh, I shouldn't say massive, but the massive open online course.

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Sure.

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Rate of of completion is like less than 3% or something.

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Oh, really?

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People don't finish those.

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Oh, they're, you're not held accountable to anything.

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You're not even graded on a lot of those.

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Right.

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You know, they're just kinda like, pay for it, 10 bucks and then, or free or whatever.

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Or you've got a bit of

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a relationship with somebody and you're paying a, a more appropriate price.

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You can walk you through it and get you over those hurdles

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and you tend to see like way higher results, satisfaction, all those things.

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And I think that's held true for 19, almost 20 years now of doing that.

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Cool.

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Um, and uh, and what was

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the start like, talk to me about the, the inception, right?

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Because you're, you're hustling, you're, you know, you're in a band already, probably was Dead Floyd around yet, or, um,

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not yet at the time I moved out here for music.

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Okay.

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I, so I was in Columbus, I was teaching there.

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Playing music, but I moved out here with a, a mutual friend and um, uh, I just wanted to play more.

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Fort Collins was

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kind of an up and coming music town at the time I moved here Yeah.

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In 99.

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And it was really,

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yeah,

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it was really catching traction at that season.

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Yeah.

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It was kind of exciting.

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And, and I've been to Denver and I've been to like Southwest Colorado, but I moved to Fort Collins without ever, ever actually stepping.

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Same here.

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Foot here in the area.

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Same here.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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Sight unseen.

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And I just had kept hearing so many great things and I was like, well, if I don't like it, I'll just go to Denver.

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Right.

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Like, I, you know, that's the plan B.

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That's the plan B, or I'll keep going to California, like something.

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Right, right.

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But I was 23 or 24 or something like that.

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Uh, maybe 25.

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But, um, you know, I just figured like, what's the harm?

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I was not happy with what I was doing in Ohio, ready for a change.

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So I moved out here.

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Like I said, I worked at these different schools.

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I worked at, uh, I was a network operations manager, like very nerdy, terrible corporate job.

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It monkey it monkey.

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I was terrible, uh, for this company Love and I won't name.

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And then, um, uh, I, so I, again, I was working at these schools.

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I, I thought there was a niche.

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I started this ad of my house, just, uh, so this is, uh, oh six.

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Okay.

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You know, and so social media really hadn't taken off, right?

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Um.

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You know, I didn't have a huge budget for anything at the time.

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Right.

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So it was a lot of like, uh, hanging posters, gorilla Marketing Walls poster.

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Yeah.

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And posters, like poster Craigslist.

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I think

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wherever you hang the band flyers you also hang the digital Workshop center.

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Exactly.

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That's

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exactly what I was doing.

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And, but I was like meeting people like left and right and I was gonna a lot of networking groups chamber.

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Sure.

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Uh, there's one called Blue Lions I was a part of for a while.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Bob, uh, Bob Flynn from Green Ride was, yeah.

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That was a big part of their startup way back in the day.

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Yeah,

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I, I do remember him.

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Um, and um, and so I just kind of got a little bit of traction and.

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That just, you know, I didn't, I wasn't making much at the very beginning, but I would just kinda like put it back into the business.

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Yeah.

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And, and I was still, I was bartending here in town Okay.

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Playing music.

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That was really how I was making like, a living.

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Right.

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But this was like, oh, I think I could pursue this.

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And I had really never done anything like that.

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Was it classes?

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It was already training classes.

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You'd

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get six people signed up for this class that's coming up in a few weeks kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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And then you're bringing'em into your garage?

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Uh, I had,

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I had something like this.

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It was like a, an add-on to my house.

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Okay.

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It was like a, like an office with a separate door.

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Yeah.

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And it was easy for people to come in.

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I put a little tacky sign on the front chairs, blackboard.

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I had a couple, I had two desks in it and a little whatever, um, whiteboard and, uh, it was like, it was, I think I could fit three people in there, but it Oh wow.

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Was usually like two or three at the time.

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Mostly it was PRI private training, you know, and Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and everyone was looking for like similar things of like excel and, and uh, coding, which I knew and graphic design, which I know.

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And these like things that I personally knew.

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Yeah.

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And I just kinda made a list and I kept making this list and the list kept growing.

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And I was like, well, now I could, I could teach you WordPress, I could teach you how to do web development.

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Right.

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And the list got like, and I could teach you this

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if I teach myself

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how

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to

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do it first.

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Well, and, and I have been doing that for so long with like working at these schools where like I'm good enough at like learning programs where I could like sit down and learn one for the most part, even if I don't know it.

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I remember learning like 3D animation software, like fairly quickly as in like a couple weeks or something.

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Yeah.

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But like to make something really dinky, move around.

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But, uh, I just made this list.

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There was probably like 20 different things I could teach on.

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And then I, I start, I built my own website, I did my own marketing, I did my own graphics.

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'cause I knew how to do all that.

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Right.

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So I didn't spend any money on that.

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Yep.

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I was very low budget to get started.

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And then, you know, and then social media hits, right.

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And then social media comes.

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Yeah.

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So the first year and a half really was like.

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Does this have, you know, can this work?

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Is there anything here?

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Just figuring it out.

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And then I think a year and a half to two years in, I was like, you know what?

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I think I gotta go for it.

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Like, there's something there.

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Yeah.

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I started meeting with like the SBDC people and getting some ideas and, um, I, I took out a little bit of money from my own savings and put it in, and then I was kind of off and running and so we went, um, I was, I was a bartender at, uh, cafe Vino.

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Okay.

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And I don't remember if I'd met you there or something.

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Didn't you work in the building or am I thinking No,

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I was in that building from time to time.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I don't know.

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I thought I met you there.

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I might, might have.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Um, and I would, um, uh, I made a deal with the owner who's not.

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We're not necessarily friends anymore, but, um, I won't say anything bad, but, um, everybody knows who does anyway.

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Yeah.

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He's a character.

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Um, but he needed a lot of website help and I said, sure, I can.

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I do a little trade, I'll do your websites, I'll your website, gimme a place to, and he had this classes, these great classroom conference room areas in the basement.

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The basement, yeah.

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So he would give free space.

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Nice.

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You know, I was for trade, so I set up these classes, then I started getting like, contracts with the city, Fort Collins that came, er county, um, a bunch of Loco agencies.

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They're like, we keep

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hiring these people, but they don't know how to do anything.

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Yeah.

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Uh, can you fix'em up for us?

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Yeah.

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And I mean, it was like, so mom and pop at this point because, um, I, the first time I got hired and it was like, city for Collins.

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They're like, yeah, we have 12 people.

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They wanna learn whatever it was.

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I don't know.

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Excel is, say just an example.

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And I was like, great.

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You know, so I was a teacher.

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But I also didn't have 12 computers, so I went to CSU surplus.

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Yeah.

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Have you ever been there?

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's fun.

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But have a website.

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I'd actually never been to the actual accident.

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It's like a garage of old junk.

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Right, right.

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People.

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But, but they have old computers.

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Right.

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So again, I know how to build computers, so I just kinda like grabbed the parts.

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I put together 12 computers for very cheap, um, 12 old CRT monitors, the big ones.

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Right.

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I lugged all the stuff downstairs into that basement of the Cafe Vio and set it all up, did the training, took it all with me.

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I did that like a handful of times and then I got real annoyed.

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It was like, this is dumb, right?

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I need my own space.

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I spent two hours, like setting up and tearing down every time.

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It was like ridiculous.

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And I remember,'cause I was still working upstairs, so like some of the other people who I worked with were be like, what the heck are you doing?

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Carry all monitors.

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I like carry, I'm like, literally, you know, I've got a cart.

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I'm like, don't, don't worry about it.

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I'm doing something else.

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And I'm like, I gotta deal with, with, you know, so and so downstairs.

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And, uh, but I started making like real money and then I was like.

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All right.

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See you cafe.

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You know I'm out.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, you know, music has always been a part of my life, so I still play.

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Uh, and I was still able to, you know, piece together enough to make pay the bills.

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But, um, that was the beginning.

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And then we moved to 3, 2, 4, or, um, sorry, 4 1 2 House, which is where like the US Bank, there's across the parking lot from US Bank.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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We were there for a while.

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That was an interesting experience.

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The, there was a psychologist above us, and it's a very old building, and you could hear everything through the, oh gosh.

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I was like, how is this possible?

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But,'cause we were there first and then she comes later, six months after year after we were there, and she moved in and she's very loud voice and I could hear everything she was saying.

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And I kept saying, I, I, first day I was like.

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This is, well, I don't wanna hear it.

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I heard, you know, there's women crying about their person lives.

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Right.

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And

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this counselor, of course, telling the women to divorce their husbands.

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'cause that's what they do do.

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Pretty much.

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But it, it was awful.

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And so we, we had a big, we were like, it was like so much tension in the building every time I walked in.

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Like, we hated each other because Oh gosh.

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I was like, please stop.

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And she's like, no, I won't stop.

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Uh, so we were there for a while.

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It was okay.

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It was, you know, nice enough space.

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Yeah.

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And then we ended up moving to, um, where we are now, so that we've been there 10 plus years actually.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that was, uh, Jenny and Brett's space for their, and it still is Yeah.

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Business.

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Yeah.

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They're your landlords.

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Yeah.

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Um, Jenny was a, a prospect facilitator and I actually did a little bit of consulting business with Brett way back in the day.

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Oh, cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Super nice people.

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They're awesome.

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They are good.

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Cheers.

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If you listen to this.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Um, always been very good to me.

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Very nice.

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Um, they have a nice family.

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They, they just, uh, are very.

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Uh, reasonable.

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Yeah.

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Honest people, which I actually is hard to find.

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What's Jenny's

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daughter's name?

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Uh, I

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remember she did some of my first marketing materials as a little contract thing.

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Uh, like a brochure and a flyer or something like that.

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Way, way back.

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I should know.

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And I'm sorry that I don't, doesn't You are listening.

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I'm very sorry.

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Uh, she is, I think three kids now.

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Sam, Sam is the boy.

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Sam.

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Sam boy.

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Hey Sam.

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If you're listening to this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, man.

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Um, yeah, but so they, so I'm in again, really weird way.

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I, I'm meeting him.

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He's probably a man by now, actually, I suppose.

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Yeah.

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He's like a college 30 ish or 25.

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He's, yeah, he's, so it goes a grown man, but I was, so, I was also, um.

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Because of the workshop I was invited to, to write for the Colorado one.

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Mm.

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An article about it called like Tech Trends, I think is the type it was.

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Sure.

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And, uh, don't wanna say anything negative about that paper, but it was not my favorite.

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Um, but they asked me and I was like, okay, maybe I could add some value to this paper.

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You know, maybe egoistical on that one, but Right, right.

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Um, they were like, yeah, keep to like 400 words.

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It's like, well that's not a lot.

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You know, like, I was like, oh God.

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It was like supposed to be a little snippet column.

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Right, right.

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When it was still being printed.

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And, um, but so I, I just wrote like very entry level stuff that I could think of, you know, like why is Excel important?

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You know, like what is a website or something?

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What people would not know that word.

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Uh, what's thing?

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WordPress.

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WordPress.

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WordPress.

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Yeah.

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That WordPress can do you Right.

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I, so

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it was, yeah, it was really aimed at like entry level beginners.

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But I wrote a couple about like, QuickBooks and, you know, I, I was using that for the business'cause I knew that too.

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And, um, um.

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Someone saw that and or, or Brett saw that, or I dunno how he got it.

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But anyway, and so.

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I had said something in there about, uh, you know, this is what we do, do classes.

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You know, it's like a little blurb at the bottom.

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Yeah.

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And he, uh, reached out and was like, Hey, if you ever need space, I got all this space here.

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And it was like the most like perfect.

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Well, and he was universe, financial,

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software, sales kind of world.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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E rrp when that was first a thing,

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I think, and I think, you know, Brad, if you're listening, you could say yes or no, but, um, I think he was maybe thinking there's like a partnership synergy there maybe.

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Yeah.

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Like I could send him some business.

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You do

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QuickBooks when they grow big enough, you can sell'em to higher price stuff kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Um, which was not true, but, uh Right.

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Almost nobody graduates from QuickBooks to the next level.

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Well, the people I was, I'm dealing with are, you know Yeah.

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Very onesies.

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Very, yeah.

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Low level here.

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Um, maybe in 10 years they'll be buying your stuff, but he probably saw something there.

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So he reached out to me.

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But that was right when I was having one those issues with that pest, uh, tenant.

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Gotcha.

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I ended up moving in with, um, or going over there.

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He had all this empty space.

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So yeah, it worked out great.

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Yeah.

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That's probably like, you probably hadn't been there for too long when you and I.

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Really got connected.

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I think you might be right, like we met a little sooner than that, but

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yeah, I don't remember.

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I, I started hitting you up

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for loco think tank probably circa 2014.

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Well, I, I think I met you before that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Um,'cause I know you did the food truck for a minute, and then what'd you do after that?00:18:48.083 --> 00:18:49.682


Um, Loco.00:18:49.702 --> 00:18:51.053


Is this, I was a banker first.00:18:51.053 --> 00:18:56.303


You, you might have met me when I was still, still just a regular old small business banker out networking in the community.00:18:56.303 --> 00:18:58.942


Like you were trying to build your business, you know, maybe Yeah.00:18:59.032 --> 00:19:02.002


But, um, or at a, at a muca show.00:19:02.002 --> 00:19:02.303


At a show, yeah.00:19:02.482 --> 00:19:03.173


Maybe Right.00:19:03.173 --> 00:19:03.742


Or something.00:19:04.073 --> 00:19:13.313


Or Dead Floyd show, by the way, I, uh, I've got my oldest t-shirt in my inventory on in honor of this Ah, nice.00:19:13.313 --> 00:19:15.113


Circa 1994.00:19:15.113 --> 00:19:15.202


Nice.00:19:15.623 --> 00:19:16.222


Uh, very cool.00:19:16.222 --> 00:19:18.563


It's still in very good classic condition.00:19:18.563 --> 00:19:19.073


I love it.00:19:19.073 --> 00:19:19.462


Yeah.00:19:19.583 --> 00:19:20.903


Is that like a tour shirt kind?00:19:20.903 --> 00:19:22.012


Uh, no, no.00:19:22.012 --> 00:19:26.333


Just a, just a fun shirt from the record store when I was a sophomore in college.00:19:26.633 --> 00:19:26.932


Hell yeah.00:19:27.022 --> 00:19:31.913


First finding my band legs, weed, smoking interest and stuff like that.00:19:31.913 --> 00:19:32.153


Yeah,00:19:32.153 --> 00:19:32.603


yeah, yeah.00:19:32.633 --> 00:19:33.262


That's awesome.00:19:33.292 --> 00:19:34.432


Um, it's Your Honor.00:19:34.553 --> 00:19:35.093


Oh, thank you.00:19:35.303 --> 00:19:40.462


I have kept a few of my old t-shirts that are like so beat up and my wife is constantly like, get'em outta my house.00:19:41.242 --> 00:19:41.542


Like, why?00:19:41.542 --> 00:19:43.103


I had the, the, what are you keeping these for?00:19:43.103 --> 00:19:44.242


I'm like, nost.00:19:44.542 --> 00:19:45.113


Uh, yeah.00:19:45.173 --> 00:19:50.303


Dead shirt from way back in the day when Lithuania made it to the, you know, Olympics and got third place I believe.00:19:50.307 --> 00:19:52.762


And they sponsored the uni uniform and they sponsored all their uni unis for'em.00:19:52.792 --> 00:19:54.173


'cause Lithuania didn't have any money.00:19:54.202 --> 00:19:56.663


'cause they were a post-Soviet block kind of thing.00:19:56.692 --> 00:19:57.147


Yeah, yeah.00:19:57.323 --> 00:19:59.272


Uh, I finally threw that one away a couple years ago.00:19:59.272 --> 00:20:00.833


It was, it had so many holes at it.00:20:00.833 --> 00:20:01.373


Some of'em are so gross.00:20:01.373 --> 00:20:01.403


I,00:20:02.393 --> 00:20:10.462


I get why she wants me to throw him out, but like, it's like nostalgia and we have a little kid, I'm like, I wanna give him my, you know, awesome Dead and fish and other tour shirts and stuff.00:20:10.762 --> 00:20:11.603


His Zeppelin shirt.00:20:11.603 --> 00:20:12.472


That lasted quite a few00:20:12.472 --> 00:20:14.782


years too, but, so it goes.00:20:15.173 --> 00:20:19.462


Um, so where did the CSU stuff come in?00:20:19.462 --> 00:20:24.532


Was that already going before, like after you left front range kind of, or were you doing dabbling in both?00:20:24.623 --> 00:20:25.252


Um, yeah.00:20:25.252 --> 00:20:27.387


I guess you said 11 years at C ssu now 11 years.00:20:27.393 --> 00:20:27.982


Yeah.00:20:28.042 --> 00:20:29.363


Well, 2014 ish too.00:20:29.423 --> 00:20:29.663


Yep.00:20:29.692 --> 00:20:32.182


A good segue from that exact same reason, which.00:20:32.962 --> 00:20:38.303


The, the dumbest Little Tech Trends article there again, like really, it was from that same reason.00:20:38.303 --> 00:20:38.603


I know.00:20:38.603 --> 00:20:38.932


It's like00:20:39.202 --> 00:20:44.873


you're like that stupid paper with that stupid article of four oh words that I couldn't add any value to anybody, but it changed00:20:44.873 --> 00:20:45.448


my life twice.00:20:45.448 --> 00:20:46.248


It definitely like did.00:20:46.462 --> 00:20:46.942


It did, it did.00:20:46.942 --> 00:20:55.192


And it's actually, you know, like a thing I've learned in business, like the dumbest little things you think like that aren't dumb, you know, and they actually are the ones that like somehow come back around.00:20:55.192 --> 00:20:56.722


So yeah, I never take those for granted.00:20:57.173 --> 00:20:58.883


Uh, but yeah, I wrote one about.00:20:59.288 --> 00:21:05.738


Graphic design trend or something, and I don't remember what it was, but it was something about design and marketing, how important it's to learn, design.00:21:05.738 --> 00:21:07.538


This 20, yeah, 14 ish, right?00:21:08.018 --> 00:21:10.448


Uh, maybe 13, 12 or something in there.00:21:10.448 --> 00:21:14.917


But it was enough that the dean at the time, his name was Ken Manning, saw it.00:21:15.718 --> 00:21:16.288


Reached out.00:21:16.317 --> 00:21:16.468


Right.00:21:16.468 --> 00:21:23.218


And was like, Hey, we've been talking here at CSU about having a class on, uh, design for marketing students.00:21:23.307 --> 00:21:23.428


Yeah.00:21:23.607 --> 00:21:24.748


Could you help us put one together?00:21:24.928 --> 00:21:25.137


Cool.00:21:25.288 --> 00:21:28.167


I was like, yeah, we got this great curriculum at Digital Workshop Center.00:21:28.167 --> 00:21:29.367


That would be perfect.00:21:29.367 --> 00:21:32.337


It's basically like I have a Photoshop series, I have an Illustrator series.00:21:32.337 --> 00:21:32.397


Yeah.00:21:32.788 --> 00:21:36.357


And I think what you're asking is you just took those two and kind of mashed'em together.00:21:36.357 --> 00:21:39.028


That would be like a college semester of hours.00:21:39.028 --> 00:21:41.188


And I think I could like, make something cool for you guys.00:21:41.218 --> 00:21:41.337


Yeah.00:21:41.607 --> 00:21:42.958


Um, I'll write up a curriculum.00:21:42.958 --> 00:21:44.758


'cause I got a lot of experience writing the curriculums.00:21:45.208 --> 00:21:48.208


And so we spent a while, you know, six months, whatever, putting this together.00:21:48.208 --> 00:21:52.887


He goes, gets it approved as like experimental class of like 4 92 was the original number.00:21:52.917 --> 00:21:53.218


Okay.00:21:53.607 --> 00:21:55.018


And, uh, I was like, awesome.00:21:55.018 --> 00:21:57.117


And he paid me for the time to do the curriculum development.00:21:57.268 --> 00:21:57.478


Cool.00:21:57.508 --> 00:22:00.448


And, uh, you know, and then I, he said.00:22:00.817 --> 00:22:02.917


So are you gonna be the one to teach it?00:22:02.978 --> 00:22:04.897


And I was like, no.00:22:04.928 --> 00:22:06.307


I was like, I don't wanna teach this thing.00:22:06.307 --> 00:22:08.077


And I was like, I got a whole day job.00:22:08.077 --> 00:22:08.768


I got all these commitments.00:22:09.968 --> 00:22:11.978


I was like, that wasn't what I was expecting here.00:22:11.978 --> 00:22:13.417


I was expecting, let's just draw it up for you.00:22:13.417 --> 00:22:14.978


He's like, well, I don't have anybody to teach it.00:22:14.978 --> 00:22:16.298


Can you do it for one semester?00:22:17.258 --> 00:22:18.367


And I was like, all right.00:22:18.397 --> 00:22:19.718


And he made it worth my while.00:22:19.778 --> 00:22:20.048


Yeah.00:22:20.048 --> 00:22:22.117


You know, and as a contract instructor you can get paid.00:22:22.117 --> 00:22:22.508


Okay.00:22:22.538 --> 00:22:29.768


And, um, and then, yeah, and uh, every couple years I've come back and been like, you need to like, make it more worth my while.00:22:30.218 --> 00:22:33.758


Like this is, and they can't do a lot'cause there's like certain limits by Sure.00:22:33.817 --> 00:22:34.897


You know, they're handcuffed a little bit.00:22:34.897 --> 00:22:36.127


Well, and you're probably teaching00:22:36.127 --> 00:22:41.288


different things a little bit, or at least the technology has changed or is it still kind of that combination of design and00:22:41.377 --> 00:22:44.948


it's, it's still, it is still that, but it's certainly changed.00:22:44.948 --> 00:22:50.087


It used to be very, um, Photoshop and like Photoshop editing heavy because that was.00:22:51.383 --> 00:22:51.952


More fun.00:22:51.952 --> 00:22:57.347


The leading edge tech at the time, kind of Well, and just like it, it took more to learn, in my opinion of the, at the time.00:22:57.347 --> 00:22:57.627


Mm-hmm.00:22:57.708 --> 00:23:01.462


So I had to like pick one or the others like do I wanna spend more time teaching Photoshop or Illustrator?00:23:01.462 --> 00:23:03.232


I can't teach you everything about both.00:23:03.532 --> 00:23:03.653


Yeah.00:23:03.653 --> 00:23:06.353


So I used to pick Photoshop and it has changed.00:23:06.353 --> 00:23:11.512


And the fact that there's so much technology around, just like you wanna remove a background, you just click a button.00:23:11.663 --> 00:23:13.403


If you want to select someone, you just click a button.00:23:13.403 --> 00:23:14.843


Like it's gotten so good.00:23:14.843 --> 00:23:15.788


Like you don't need to learn the tools.00:23:15.792 --> 00:23:16.313


You wanna remove00:23:16.313 --> 00:23:18.682


your ex-girlfriend from this picture at Cabo.00:23:18.712 --> 00:23:18.923


Yeah.00:23:19.073 --> 00:23:19.883


Boom, she's gone.00:23:20.752 --> 00:23:22.222


And it really is that easy now.00:23:22.222 --> 00:23:24.323


And so that's changed the curriculum.00:23:24.353 --> 00:23:25.702


'cause now it's definitely more illustrated for this.00:23:25.702 --> 00:23:26.393


It's could look weird while you're00:23:26.393 --> 00:23:28.073


standing like this with your arm out here.00:23:28.073 --> 00:23:28.613


But yeah,00:23:30.083 --> 00:23:30.182


she's gone.00:23:30.228 --> 00:23:36.323


I, I think like, you know, Ava was out there using Canva, like you can do a lot with Canva and it's very acceptable for most people.00:23:36.698 --> 00:23:37.327


Um, yeah.00:23:37.327 --> 00:23:37.417


And00:23:37.417 --> 00:23:42.788


Ava was taking your class, she, I know when she started at Loco, uh, about 18 months ago, or 16 months ago now.00:23:42.788 --> 00:23:42.907


Sorry.00:23:42.907 --> 00:23:42.968


I'm00:23:42.968 --> 00:23:44.798


gonna give her more grief about the Photoshop.00:23:44.798 --> 00:23:45.788


How did she do in your class?00:23:45.788 --> 00:23:46.508


Was she a good student?00:23:46.923 --> 00:23:47.212


Okay.00:23:48.337 --> 00:23:49.178


I don't remember.00:23:49.178 --> 00:23:49.567


I don't,00:23:49.778 --> 00:23:51.907


she actually had low attendance rates.00:23:52.147 --> 00:23:52.928


I got a B plus.00:23:52.932 --> 00:23:53.133


B plus.00:23:53.528 --> 00:23:53.688


There you go.00:23:53.692 --> 00:23:53.932


B plus.00:23:54.002 --> 00:23:54.292


Okay.00:23:54.923 --> 00:23:55.893


Illustrator got00:23:55.893 --> 00:23:56.053


me.00:23:56.192 --> 00:24:01.807


It was real Illustrator is harder, I guess, for some, but it's more useful in terms of graphic design.00:24:01.807 --> 00:24:02.167


I think.00:24:02.678 --> 00:24:07.238


I will say, if you just do the work in that class, every I've, I've heard all the kinds of mixed opinions.00:24:07.238 --> 00:24:10.928


Like, it, it, it's a very, I hated those kinds of attainable class.00:24:10.928 --> 00:24:12.613


Like you have to that too.00:24:12.617 --> 00:24:13.022


Like I, I,00:24:13.022 --> 00:24:17.798


I had a really, most classes I could just sit and listen to the lecture, take the notes, yeah.00:24:17.798 --> 00:24:19.087


And then go ace the test.00:24:19.087 --> 00:24:22.688


But like accounting and calculus and probably illustrator.00:24:22.928 --> 00:24:23.167


Yeah.00:24:23.198 --> 00:24:27.307


Are those kind of things where you actually gotta do the homework to learn it proper.00:24:27.367 --> 00:24:27.667


Yeah.00:24:27.728 --> 00:24:31.057


And it's, it's, um, it's very subjective, right?00:24:31.057 --> 00:24:32.137


So there's it's design.00:24:32.137 --> 00:24:33.157


So like I'm saying.00:24:33.502 --> 00:24:39.413


Hey, you work for a, uh, you know, a landscape company, go make me a logo and a, and a flyer, whatever it is.00:24:39.712 --> 00:24:39.952


Sure.00:24:40.012 --> 00:24:47.692


Like I'm, I try to be fairly lenient, but there's like a list of things like you have to do, you know, like you have to kind of get in the right format, the right size, the right this, that.00:24:47.692 --> 00:24:47.813


Yeah.00:24:48.623 --> 00:24:54.863


Uh, and so in terms of what's being graded, I've heard it's like a harsh grade where I'm like, well, it's like a checklist.00:24:54.863 --> 00:24:55.432


I, I do this.00:24:55.432 --> 00:24:57.712


You got only seven outta 10.00:24:57.712 --> 00:24:58.252


Yeah.00:24:58.258 --> 00:24:59.932


And so I can only give you a C do.00:24:59.932 --> 00:25:00.173


Yeah.00:25:00.712 --> 00:25:03.742


So I, someone just introduced me to rate my professor there.00:25:03.742 --> 00:25:03.893


Damn.00:25:03.893 --> 00:25:04.913


I'm sure he even knows what that is.00:25:05.663 --> 00:25:07.462


How you did you do now?00:25:07.468 --> 00:25:07.688


Yeah.00:25:08.093 --> 00:25:08.333


Yeah.00:25:08.512 --> 00:25:09.502


You got some lists out there.00:25:09.502 --> 00:25:14.363


Well, I did and I was, and I, that's some from 2012 or whenever we started at 13, whatever.00:25:14.363 --> 00:25:18.742


I don't, and uh, I guess it was 14, but, um.00:25:19.357 --> 00:25:21.938


It was like, this class is too hard, too hard.00:25:21.998 --> 00:25:22.208


Yeah.00:25:22.238 --> 00:25:23.468


Too much grading and this and that.00:25:23.468 --> 00:25:26.377


And then like, progressively gets better I think.00:25:26.407 --> 00:25:26.708


Right.00:25:26.708 --> 00:25:30.188


And there's been some recent ones I think that are like, oh, this is actually really fun, pretty useful.00:25:30.218 --> 00:25:32.498


Um, but most of them are, seem like they're like negative.00:25:32.498 --> 00:25:35.887


So I guess, I dunno how many people go out there and put positive reviews, period.00:25:35.887 --> 00:25:36.067


But00:25:36.157 --> 00:25:39.278


talk to me about, um, trends in tech now.00:25:39.278 --> 00:25:49.327


I mean, the last two years of tech has seen us be like, oh, this chat GPT Model three or whatever is actually useful for the first time.00:25:49.387 --> 00:25:49.597


Yeah.00:25:49.958 --> 00:25:51.123


Uh, and now we've got like.00:25:52.508 --> 00:25:55.417


When are the robots gonna take control, you know?00:25:56.018 --> 00:26:01.478


Well, it's, it's a, a wild rollercoaster that I, I don't have any crystal balls on.00:26:01.538 --> 00:26:01.748


Sure.00:26:01.748 --> 00:26:11.647


I get asked this question all the time, and I did a talk at the Workforce Symposium this year about something similar, like what's the, uh, the future of tech or something, and it's like, well, here's what I see and what I know.00:26:11.678 --> 00:26:11.798


Right.00:26:11.798 --> 00:26:17.917


But I definitely not, I've got one lens out of many thousands of potential perspectives and go and talk to people who are way deeper in ai.00:26:17.917 --> 00:26:20.048


And I think they would've a much different per perspective.00:26:20.048 --> 00:26:33.847


But it sure seems to me that, um, a lot of like white collar jobs, repetitive type of jobs, uh, are going to go away because for that exact reason they're repetitive.00:26:33.847 --> 00:26:33.938


Right.00:26:33.938 --> 00:26:35.528


And anything, anything, going back.00:26:36.053 --> 00:26:39.772


A very long time before the buzzword of AI has existed, you go back for, you know.00:26:39.778 --> 00:26:39.857


Mm-hmm.00:26:39.938 --> 00:26:42.803


So the internet came around in, in mid nineties, let's say.00:26:43.103 --> 00:26:43.313


Yep.00:26:43.373 --> 00:26:47.512


When things figured, people figured out how to code something in a script to make it go in a loop.00:26:48.022 --> 00:26:48.202


Right.00:26:48.202 --> 00:26:52.673


That was like the beginning, like, oh, I could be more efficient about, you know, how to make this work.00:26:52.673 --> 00:26:52.942


Right.00:26:53.633 --> 00:26:55.103


And that's still the trend and lightly00:26:55.133 --> 00:26:59.712


automations, you know, when this happens, then do this thing and that doesn't if this, then that.00:26:59.712 --> 00:26:59.932


Right.00:26:59.932 --> 00:26:59.942


Right.00:27:00.173 --> 00:27:01.313


There's a website to that.00:27:01.343 --> 00:27:02.542


Zapier is built to that.00:27:02.573 --> 00:27:05.063


It's totally like, that's, that's been around for a while.00:27:05.063 --> 00:27:05.752


monday.com.00:27:05.752 --> 00:27:06.292


But yeah.00:27:06.893 --> 00:27:12.593


Uh, it's now being, uh, marketed differently so people are like absorbing this differently.00:27:12.597 --> 00:27:12.617


Mm-hmm.00:27:12.702 --> 00:27:18.833


And it's also becoming available to the masses where that wasn't necessarily true or you had to pay a subscription, which is crazy00:27:18.833 --> 00:27:22.133


that it's still kind of largely free or a light subscription.00:27:22.252 --> 00:27:22.313


Yeah.00:27:22.972 --> 00:27:28.823


Um, but the cost of doing like a grok query versus a Google search.00:27:29.228 --> 00:27:31.778


Is like 10 times as much per second.00:27:31.778 --> 00:27:32.018


Right.00:27:32.018 --> 00:27:34.147


Or something like, or the medium for them.00:27:34.153 --> 00:27:34.292


Yeah.00:27:34.298 --> 00:27:34.748


Yeah.00:27:34.748 --> 00:27:39.732


Oh, like the, the, the, the, the compute power necessary to run those AI engines is, it's insane.00:27:39.738 --> 00:27:41.827


10 times as much as running the Yeah.00:27:41.887 --> 00:27:44.077


Simple algorithms that Google's been running off forever.00:27:44.077 --> 00:27:44.137


Yeah.00:27:44.167 --> 00:27:44.857


It's insane.00:27:44.857 --> 00:27:45.127


Yeah.00:27:45.127 --> 00:27:56.137


And, and so there's a, a breaking point coming, I think where I, I do think those jobs are at serious risk that's already been kind of shown and is already happening, and white collar, repetitive work, white collar, repetitive work.00:27:56.137 --> 00:28:05.377


So that could be all the way up to like, you know, the C level, like executive assistant and well even like people who are, uh, more in um, yeah.00:28:05.377 --> 00:28:06.637


Chief Information Officer, right?00:28:06.637 --> 00:28:06.998


Yeah.00:28:07.083 --> 00:28:07.373


Yeah.00:28:07.373 --> 00:28:07.583


Something like.00:28:08.228 --> 00:28:09.698


I, I think anyone who's doing monitor the,00:28:09.698 --> 00:28:10.988


the, the, yeah.00:28:10.992 --> 00:28:14.827


If you watch anyone and you look at your tasks and you're like, you do the same thing all the time.00:28:14.827 --> 00:28:21.788


It, it, it, there's a, and I've been saying this to my staff for forever of, if you're repeating yourself, please tell me.00:28:21.847 --> 00:28:21.938


Right.00:28:21.938 --> 00:28:23.167


Let's find a way for you not to.00:28:23.198 --> 00:28:23.498


Right.00:28:23.498 --> 00:28:27.488


'cause there's probably a way, and that's been going on for 20 years of, of me being at the workshop.00:28:27.518 --> 00:28:27.817


Yeah.00:28:28.268 --> 00:28:38.528


Um, but now with generative ai, you're certainly seeing content being created and that's what's like, wholly different, right?00:28:38.528 --> 00:28:43.208


Like the automation pieces, the, the intelligence of automation has been around for a long time.00:28:43.208 --> 00:28:43.387


Totally.00:28:43.387 --> 00:28:51.667


That's not necessarily new, but it's, it's bigger and better, um, to come up with content, like the language models can do.00:28:51.667 --> 00:28:51.998


Totally.00:28:52.178 --> 00:28:54.008


Is, um, yeah.00:28:54.008 --> 00:28:55.448


I could totally a wild west of00:28:55.478 --> 00:28:59.407


like, you've probably read my blogs, I just suspect you're on my newsletter list, right?00:28:59.438 --> 00:28:59.557


Yeah.00:28:59.557 --> 00:29:01.417


Occasionally you read my blogs are usually too long.00:29:01.478 --> 00:29:01.688


Yeah.00:29:01.928 --> 00:29:06.577


Um, but I could literally just say, Hey, grok, or chat, or whatever.00:29:07.163 --> 00:29:13.792


Write me a 4,000 ish word blog, uh, with the title of this.00:29:13.853 --> 00:29:18.262


And I want the content to be something along the lines of this and read all my past shit.00:29:18.383 --> 00:29:18.653


Yeah.00:29:18.712 --> 00:29:21.647


And put it in my voice and give it a tone of whatever and, yeah.00:29:21.647 --> 00:29:21.807


Yeah.00:29:22.643 --> 00:29:25.042


And I've so far refuse to do that because it just seems,00:29:25.883 --> 00:29:26.482


it's like cheating.00:29:26.573 --> 00:29:26.962


Cheating.00:29:27.053 --> 00:29:27.262


Yeah.00:29:27.718 --> 00:29:28.008


Yeah.00:29:28.103 --> 00:29:31.222


Um, I've certainly done it to find out like, how good is it?00:29:31.282 --> 00:29:32.692


And it's shockingly good.00:29:32.813 --> 00:29:33.053


Yeah.00:29:33.083 --> 00:29:34.163


It makes a ton of mistakes.00:29:34.163 --> 00:29:35.303


So let's put a huge asterisk.00:29:35.303 --> 00:29:36.053


Like you'll be Yeah.00:29:36.053 --> 00:29:37.133


Better have really dumb Yeah.00:29:37.133 --> 00:29:37.613


To just copy.00:29:37.613 --> 00:29:38.603


Don't say published.00:29:39.292 --> 00:29:39.887


That would be stupid.00:29:40.972 --> 00:29:54.833


Um, I haven't found that kind of used to be as effective, but like today I was, I was using it because I've been redoing different phrases of just like on, on our program pages, on our website, you know, so again, I still do all the website stuff for Okay, digital workshop.00:29:55.522 --> 00:30:00.232


And, um, on each certificate program page, there's like a little tagline of, you know, whatever.00:30:00.262 --> 00:30:03.353


And they are just, they, I felt like they needed a refresh.00:30:03.353 --> 00:30:04.613


Some of them felt outta date.00:30:04.702 --> 00:30:04.913


Yeah.00:30:05.333 --> 00:30:06.173


So I put it in there.00:30:06.173 --> 00:30:08.153


I was like, gimme five variations and why?00:30:08.182 --> 00:30:10.012


And, and yeah.00:30:10.222 --> 00:30:12.143


Four seconds later, many of them were very good.00:30:12.143 --> 00:30:12.323


Yeah.00:30:12.383 --> 00:30:15.682


And they were, it gave like, this is people centric, this is design focused.00:30:15.712 --> 00:30:15.833


Right.00:30:15.833 --> 00:30:17.123


This is corporate focused.00:30:17.123 --> 00:30:23.002


And it was like, that's pretty spot on with the way you're using the language, but they're, we're talking about like a sentence or two.00:30:23.123 --> 00:30:23.452


Right.00:30:23.512 --> 00:30:27.772


So I felt like that was actually really helpful and it felt like a little assistant to like, bounce ideas off of.00:30:27.772 --> 00:30:27.893


But00:30:27.893 --> 00:30:31.613


actually writing an original 4,000 word blog is probably less.00:30:32.212 --> 00:30:32.752


Thoughtful, well,00:30:32.782 --> 00:30:35.843


less thoughtful, and it's gonna be very generic, right?00:30:35.873 --> 00:30:36.952


You're gonna come across a lot.00:30:37.012 --> 00:30:39.772


Although again, it keeps getting better'cause it can do the research, right.00:30:39.893 --> 00:30:42.262


Uh, but the, but it'll make mistakes.00:30:42.292 --> 00:30:44.843


And so I think there, there's that.00:30:44.873 --> 00:30:52.643


I, but I think writing as a, as a general students, I mean, I, I don't have a class that people can do that as much.00:30:52.643 --> 00:30:57.682


There's, um, definitely a generative AI piece to the Adobe tools.00:30:57.712 --> 00:30:57.923


Sure.00:30:57.982 --> 00:31:01.792


You can do that and say like, build me a logo for a landscape company.00:31:01.823 --> 00:31:02.123


Right.00:31:02.123 --> 00:31:04.702


And it will spit something out that's probably not bad.00:31:04.762 --> 00:31:05.123


Right.00:31:05.182 --> 00:31:06.772


But it also usually isn't great.00:31:06.923 --> 00:31:07.192


Right.00:31:07.192 --> 00:31:12.022


You know, and so, uh, that keeps, it just, it keeps getting better at this like ridiculous speed.00:31:12.053 --> 00:31:12.113


Yeah.00:31:12.113 --> 00:31:22.397


So I think that is the, the, the best thing I've heard is really from like, people like Mark Cuban who have talked about how if you're coming outta college as, you know, a younger person, right.00:31:23.048 --> 00:31:26.018


Learn everything you can about all the AI tools, right?00:31:26.048 --> 00:31:30.038


Because if you're competitive, you know, these, these jobs are going away.00:31:30.038 --> 00:31:30.097


Yeah.00:31:30.127 --> 00:31:33.188


So should be smaller markets of, of potential jobs.00:31:33.248 --> 00:31:41.798


Um, but if you can leverage those tools, if you can leverage those tools and you're going after a job and you are here saying, I know all the traditional skills and I know the, the new AI tools Yep.00:31:41.948 --> 00:31:44.857


Next to someone who doesn't, you're just a way better candidate.00:31:44.917 --> 00:31:45.097


Right.00:31:45.097 --> 00:31:49.327


And that's, again, been true for a long time, but how to leverage those tools is pretty key.00:31:49.327 --> 00:31:50.228


It's still being discovered.00:31:50.228 --> 00:31:52.867


Still being discovered, and every industry has a different one.00:31:53.018 --> 00:31:53.107


Right.00:31:53.107 --> 00:31:56.107


That's, that's seems to rise to the top now.00:31:56.107 --> 00:32:01.837


Like chat GBT gets all the, uh, headlines and credit because of how much it's kind of taken popularity.00:32:02.587 --> 00:32:06.728


Um, it's got the best like open ai, uh, language model.00:32:06.728 --> 00:32:06.968


Right.00:32:06.972 --> 00:32:07.002


Right.00:32:07.008 --> 00:32:09.248


So people are like basically using that and Yep.00:32:09.252 --> 00:32:09.323


Yep.00:32:09.337 --> 00:32:10.958


Um, but, but it also00:32:10.958 --> 00:32:11.288


is.00:32:12.262 --> 00:32:18.863


Like kind of woke kind of weird, you know, it's given us black George Washingtons and shit like that.00:32:18.923 --> 00:32:21.262


And like, it's bizarre.00:32:21.323 --> 00:32:22.002


Yeah, yeah, yeah.00:32:22.313 --> 00:32:23.782


And so truth matters.00:32:24.353 --> 00:32:25.373


Uh, yeah, I think so.00:32:25.373 --> 00:32:25.522


And00:32:25.522 --> 00:32:30.472


the sources and the, well ultimately does the AI love humans,00:32:30.563 --> 00:32:30.847


uh, uh,00:32:31.522 --> 00:32:32.962


you know, and think we're awesome.00:32:32.992 --> 00:32:33.022


I,00:32:33.472 --> 00:32:35.093


well, you know, or annoying.00:32:35.097 --> 00:32:45.323


That's, that's getting way deeper into the weeds on that topic, but I think as a language model, it's, it's going to be able to speak as good as we can at Yeah.00:32:45.383 --> 00:32:45.923


Already age for sure.00:32:46.073 --> 00:32:46.373


Really.00:32:46.492 --> 00:32:47.272


But, you know, I was00:32:47.272 --> 00:32:56.452


thinking the other day, like I saw the post recently about, uh, Elon posting about how the optimist robots will soon be better surgeons than the best surgeons that we have.00:32:56.452 --> 00:32:59.603


And so, yeah, like cost of medicine should be way down.00:32:59.603 --> 00:33:02.692


You can just, well have a robot to treat your village or whatever.00:33:02.692 --> 00:33:02.903


Yeah.00:33:02.903 --> 00:33:06.053


We'll, they'll find a way to make, keep us surf somehow anyway.00:33:06.472 --> 00:33:06.952


Um, but.00:33:08.708 --> 00:33:13.803


You know, like, uh, I listen to Mike Rose podcast pretty regular, and he's all about the trades and mm-hmm.00:33:13.988 --> 00:33:21.188


You know, building more roofers and htt and, but if, but if optimist robots can be surgeons, certainly they can also become a plumber.00:33:21.458 --> 00:33:22.087


Oh my gosh.00:33:22.087 --> 00:33:22.238


Yeah.00:33:22.238 --> 00:33:22.567


Right.00:33:22.807 --> 00:33:23.768


Well, you would think so.00:33:23.768 --> 00:33:25.958


There's so many variables in that particular scenario.00:33:25.958 --> 00:33:32.917


Whereas if you think about a surgery room, and I can speak to this a little bit, not like this much because my wife's an OR nurse and they, they use robots like crazy.00:33:32.948 --> 00:33:33.278


Yeah.00:33:33.548 --> 00:33:35.827


And so, but think about it like a surgery room.00:33:35.827 --> 00:33:36.938


It's so prescribed.00:33:36.998 --> 00:33:37.538


Right.00:33:37.542 --> 00:33:38.563


It's always the same personally here.00:33:39.153 --> 00:33:39.442


They,00:33:39.502 --> 00:33:45.817


and they do this, it's not this plumbing system that somebody built in 1907 that got remodeled in 1933.00:33:45.817 --> 00:33:46.327


Exactly.00:33:46.778 --> 00:33:47.948


But like, um.00:33:48.698 --> 00:33:49.268


But angles.00:33:49.268 --> 00:33:51.397


Or angles, but like building a new one00:33:51.488 --> 00:33:51.938


Right.00:33:52.508 --> 00:33:53.018


Possible.00:33:53.048 --> 00:33:58.357


You know, and there's already the ai, or not ai, but the, um, uh, uh, what's the 3D printers Sure.00:33:58.357 --> 00:33:59.018


Is what I'm trying to think of.00:33:59.077 --> 00:33:59.288


Yep.00:33:59.498 --> 00:34:00.817


Uh, that can build whole houses.00:34:00.877 --> 00:34:01.147


Yeah.00:34:01.147 --> 00:34:01.597


Have you seen those?00:34:01.627 --> 00:34:01.718


Yeah.00:34:01.718 --> 00:34:03.518


Put a 3D printer on an optimist robot.00:34:03.518 --> 00:34:05.738


You can just create the plumbing Yeah.00:34:05.738 --> 00:34:06.938


Turn that you need.00:34:06.938 --> 00:34:07.357


Exactly.00:34:07.417 --> 00:34:08.077


Uh, right there.00:34:08.077 --> 00:34:11.407


Just you go this many steps this way, this many steps this way.00:34:11.407 --> 00:34:12.367


We have the blueprint.00:34:12.518 --> 00:34:14.498


We know exactly where the hole like Yeah.00:34:14.503 --> 00:34:19.088


If you could prescribe it that well and have it be that like, uh, perfectly dictated.00:34:19.088 --> 00:34:19.418


Yeah.00:34:19.688 --> 00:34:21.518


I would imagine it could do a pretty awesome job.00:34:21.518 --> 00:34:22.148


A little 3D printer00:34:22.148 --> 00:34:23.438


coming out the end of your index finger.00:34:23.438 --> 00:34:24.878


Just Yeah.00:34:25.117 --> 00:34:25.777


And it doesn't care.00:34:25.777 --> 00:34:27.543


It just sits there goes, yeah.00:34:27.577 --> 00:34:27.967


It has no00:34:28.088 --> 00:34:29.708


brain, has no concept of time.00:34:29.708 --> 00:34:31.117


It does not care how long it goes.00:34:31.177 --> 00:34:32.918


It is just gonna keep going until the job is done.00:34:33.557 --> 00:34:34.907


That's the amazing part.00:34:34.907 --> 00:34:37.637


Whereas humans, we, we need breaks and we need, you know Right.00:34:37.637 --> 00:34:40.277


There's so much time involved, which you should be paid for.00:34:40.338 --> 00:34:40.577


Yeah.00:34:40.728 --> 00:34:46.248


So, um, I don't know that, I think the trades are pretty safe for a long time, for 20 years at least or something.00:34:46.248 --> 00:34:46.398


Yeah.00:34:46.398 --> 00:34:48.947


I, I, it's only those really high value things00:34:48.947 --> 00:34:52.277


like surgeons that are maybe get more robotic stuff, but,00:34:52.757 --> 00:34:55.458


but even that, you know, just think about the variables of every human body.00:34:55.458 --> 00:35:00.288


Like if you just kind of throw a robot at it, like you kind of need a human to direct it and like, look Mm.00:35:00.318 --> 00:35:02.297


And be like, Hey, that's, that's a real problem.00:35:02.297 --> 00:35:03.018


Or that's not a problem.00:35:03.018 --> 00:35:03.588


Or Right.00:35:03.588 --> 00:35:06.737


Like, maybe we shouldn't, here, maybe we need to move, but maybe not for long.00:35:06.737 --> 00:35:07.068


Yeah.00:35:07.097 --> 00:35:07.637


I don't know.00:35:08.208 --> 00:35:08.867


So, yeah.00:35:08.867 --> 00:35:10.998


They, they, the mapping, the way they do surgery now is crazy.00:35:10.998 --> 00:35:14.088


They, they like do a full on like 3D map of your body.00:35:14.148 --> 00:35:14.507


Wow.00:35:14.538 --> 00:35:16.307


And then they can feed that into the robot.00:35:16.338 --> 00:35:23.268


And then the, the tools, like tools that are be infinitely small so they can go in and make the incisions that are crazy small.00:35:23.273 --> 00:35:23.382


Sure.00:35:23.387 --> 00:35:24.288


So you don't have as much.00:35:24.288 --> 00:35:24.557


Yeah.00:35:24.648 --> 00:35:26.117


Um, yeah, recovery had00:35:26.117 --> 00:35:27.827


a, I had a hernia, uh.00:35:28.958 --> 00:35:30.038


Surgery, I guess back.00:35:30.217 --> 00:35:31.628


Gosh, it was like 2 0 0 8.00:35:31.748 --> 00:35:32.047


Yeah.00:35:32.108 --> 00:35:36.907


And it was early on in that laparoscopic thing and they could just like put a little cut in there and then Yeah.00:35:36.967 --> 00:35:38.918


You know, I was pulling weeds the next day in my garden.00:35:38.918 --> 00:35:39.188


Yeah.00:35:39.188 --> 00:35:40.307


You know, isn't a while was fine.00:35:40.563 --> 00:35:40.682


I00:35:40.682 --> 00:35:41.083


mean, yeah.00:35:41.143 --> 00:35:42.217


So, yeah.00:35:42.277 --> 00:35:44.378


Um, Laura, my wife does that a lot.00:35:44.527 --> 00:35:44.677


Yeah.00:35:44.677 --> 00:35:44.887


Years00:35:44.887 --> 00:35:47.617


before, you know, five years before that it would've been like a big cut.00:35:47.677 --> 00:35:50.197


They got rip up the side of me and they, you know, getting in there.00:35:50.228 --> 00:35:50.498


Yeah.00:35:50.677 --> 00:35:51.398


It's nuts.00:35:51.487 --> 00:35:51.728


Yeah.00:35:51.907 --> 00:35:52.748


So I, I don't know.00:35:52.748 --> 00:35:57.157


I think in general business technology, like productivity technology, yeah.00:35:57.188 --> 00:35:58.838


It, it's already been really good.00:35:58.838 --> 00:36:03.918


Which is kinda like what people I think are often overlooking when they're talking about like how, you know, automation stage Yeah.00:36:03.918 --> 00:36:04.802


A leverage on Yeah.00:36:05.047 --> 00:36:05.257


Yeah.00:36:05.378 --> 00:36:07.597


But it's just keeps getting better.00:36:07.628 --> 00:36:11.137


Um, I think the, um, uh,00:36:11.168 --> 00:36:13.177


will there be traditional softwares and stuff?00:36:13.177 --> 00:36:18.248


Like we've got a little, uh, hobby project on the side that Ben and I have been working on.00:36:18.253 --> 00:36:18.362


Mm-hmm.00:36:18.443 --> 00:36:19.927


The other staff are here that.00:36:20.498 --> 00:36:25.657


It's really just talking to an AI and saying Build this, do that, do that.00:36:26.288 --> 00:36:35.197


Um, and so is there like even a place for QuickBooks or maybe not QuickBooks, because that's a very, it's systematized, right?00:36:35.197 --> 00:36:35.257


Yeah.00:36:35.257 --> 00:36:46.088


And it's got a lot of reporting to do and different and, uh, different connectivities, you know, here's how your payroll thing gets figured in, and you can pay the, pay the tax man right through here and stuff.00:36:46.088 --> 00:36:51.128


But yeah, like, like website building is gonna be a whole different ballgame, I reckon.00:36:51.157 --> 00:36:57.157


Well, it's all about, um, what is automated and standardized, right?00:36:57.157 --> 00:37:02.077


So QuickBooks would be like, again, I, I mean, I dunno if you use it, but Yeah.00:37:02.077 --> 00:37:05.527


We, they have AI pieces, they keep like promoting Sure.00:37:05.557 --> 00:37:06.998


AI pieces that are like in there.00:37:07.027 --> 00:37:07.268


Yep.00:37:07.688 --> 00:37:11.318


But they're not really that great and they're not that different than what they had before.00:37:11.318 --> 00:37:13.958


They're just rebranding how they're like selling you this stuff.00:37:14.018 --> 00:37:14.197


Yep.00:37:14.257 --> 00:37:16.597


And because everyone wants AI builts into their stuff, you know?00:37:16.597 --> 00:37:19.867


It's like now they're using that term and kind of packaging it different.00:37:19.867 --> 00:37:19.987


Yeah.00:37:20.318 --> 00:37:20.978


It's like Intel00:37:20.978 --> 00:37:22.418


inside ai inside.00:37:22.418 --> 00:37:22.867


Yeah.00:37:22.898 --> 00:37:25.057


And it's the same engine and model.00:37:25.057 --> 00:37:29.288


It's just like, oh, now it's called the AI Assistant, where it's like, oh, it's the same thing it was.00:37:29.737 --> 00:37:37.898


But um, the number of variables that go into a QuickBooks file for every company is so, so wide.00:37:38.108 --> 00:37:38.527


Yeah.00:37:38.677 --> 00:37:38.797


Gotcha.00:37:38.797 --> 00:37:43.777


That I couldn't see there, there, there would always have to be some need for someone to keep track of that.00:37:43.807 --> 00:37:43.987


Right.00:37:44.228 --> 00:37:44.378


Yeah.00:37:44.378 --> 00:37:48.188


You have to keep, but uh, it's already pretty automated.00:37:48.188 --> 00:37:50.378


It just pulls from your bank feed and spits it in there.00:37:50.382 --> 00:37:50.432


Yeah.00:37:50.432 --> 00:37:53.137


And does that, that part's automated, but it really has to be.00:37:53.588 --> 00:37:54.833


Um, so, so I used to spend hours.00:37:54.833 --> 00:37:55.032


Yeah.00:37:55.032 --> 00:37:55.958


But there isn't any language00:37:55.958 --> 00:37:56.407


around it.00:37:56.407 --> 00:37:56.737


Right.00:37:56.827 --> 00:37:57.518


There isn't that much.00:37:57.938 --> 00:38:00.847


Thinking it's kind of more about Yeah, sorting.00:38:00.998 --> 00:38:02.467


Sorting and Yeah, exactly.00:38:02.467 --> 00:38:06.878


It's like rules and matching and all these things, which is repetitive.00:38:06.878 --> 00:38:06.938


Yeah.00:38:06.967 --> 00:38:08.288


So again, that makes sense.00:38:08.978 --> 00:38:17.588


Uh, website development has also become so standardized that most websites start to look the same.00:38:17.592 --> 00:38:17.793


Mm-hmm.00:38:18.007 --> 00:38:24.637


So, you know, that's why the rise of, um, of those boxed ones have come Squarespace and different things like that.00:38:24.637 --> 00:38:24.818


Yeah.00:38:24.847 --> 00:38:30.967


They become so popular because like, well, you know, if Joe Schmo doesn't know anything about web development, you wanna build one, right?00:38:30.998 --> 00:38:31.597


Go for it.00:38:31.657 --> 00:38:31.777


Yeah.00:38:31.777 --> 00:38:34.987


You just sign over this thing, it spits one out and you're like, well, let's good enough for me.00:38:35.018 --> 00:38:35.228


Yeah.00:38:35.288 --> 00:38:35.858


Do I care?00:38:36.068 --> 00:38:37.027


No, you don't care.00:38:37.117 --> 00:38:48.608


Uh, but anyone who needs, again, like something with functionality that is more than just a brochure, you'd probably have to pay someone to do it because there's some amount of variable in there.00:38:48.608 --> 00:38:56.018


But, but that person would have to, would most likely go and use an AI tool to do the coding.00:38:56.498 --> 00:38:58.927


They would have to know how to use that in their industry.00:38:58.927 --> 00:38:59.197


But even,00:38:59.197 --> 00:39:01.177


I'm thinking like a Shopify or something.00:39:01.657 --> 00:39:10.208


Um, if you've got a thousand products on your Shopify page, but you need to update them all, like AI could probably do that pretty good.00:39:10.208 --> 00:39:10.628


Here's00:39:11.228 --> 00:39:12.577


if it was the same update.00:39:12.608 --> 00:39:12.998


Right.00:39:12.998 --> 00:39:14.467


But is that, how often does that happen?00:39:14.827 --> 00:39:17.737


Every single update is the same, like every product.00:39:18.038 --> 00:39:18.788


I mean, maybe,00:39:18.788 --> 00:39:23.797


but well put a, put a current description of this product, including the updates on the page, you know, or Yeah.00:39:23.797 --> 00:39:26.797


I mean, take the price to increase the price by 20%.00:39:26.797 --> 00:39:27.217


Well, yeah.00:39:27.217 --> 00:39:27.398


That00:39:27.398 --> 00:39:27.938


kind of thing.00:39:27.967 --> 00:39:28.208


Yeah.00:39:28.208 --> 00:39:33.818


If everyone's like the price increase or I, I suppose it could go out and write a blurb about every product.00:39:33.818 --> 00:39:36.128


It could be smart enough to read what's there if you had something.00:39:36.157 --> 00:39:36.487


Right.00:39:36.487 --> 00:39:38.387


But, but if it didn't exist, I don't know that it could, well,00:39:38.387 --> 00:39:40.297


I could read all the stuff I've written about that product.00:39:40.597 --> 00:39:41.617


Online everywhere.00:39:41.617 --> 00:39:42.697


Yeah, that's, yeah.00:39:42.697 --> 00:39:44.077


I mean, it could, and gimme a paragraph about it.00:39:44.077 --> 00:39:44.257


Yeah.00:39:44.257 --> 00:39:49.992


You know, the, the whatever the, the, the Sony MT seven camera is dah, dah, dah.00:39:50.197 --> 00:39:50.378


Yeah.00:39:50.378 --> 00:39:52.748


And it's on sale now for only XI00:39:52.748 --> 00:39:57.193


mean, I had a good friend, um, uh, I'm, you know, uh, McKay, but mugs Yeah, sure.00:39:57.193 --> 00:39:57.353


Yeah.00:39:57.398 --> 00:39:58.507


He started community funded.00:39:58.568 --> 00:39:58.793


Yeah.00:39:58.793 --> 00:39:58.958


Yeah.00:39:59.168 --> 00:39:59.228


Yeah.00:39:59.228 --> 00:40:03.518


My good friend Matt, um, was the one who did a lot of the custom development of their Okay.00:40:03.518 --> 00:40:04.088


Their platform.00:40:04.237 --> 00:40:04.447


Yeah.00:40:04.628 --> 00:40:07.057


That would be like a great example of like a Loco crew.00:40:07.057 --> 00:40:08.137


Anyway, that Right.00:40:08.288 --> 00:40:14.527


Um, that, that is like really custom software as a service, right?00:40:14.527 --> 00:40:21.728


Like you go through a website to get it and you use it, but it's very customized to each individual donor group.00:40:21.728 --> 00:40:22.027


And Yeah.00:40:22.208 --> 00:40:30.108


So there's like this whole element and the code base behind it, I'm sure could be, you know, automated and repetitive, but a lot of it is.00:40:30.788 --> 00:40:32.512


As far as I know, and I don't know all that much.00:40:32.512 --> 00:40:32.523


Yeah.00:40:32.557 --> 00:40:34.507


It's gonna be half have to be custom stitch.00:40:34.507 --> 00:40:34.568


Yeah.00:40:34.568 --> 00:40:36.577


Some human has to come in here and figure out Yeah.00:40:36.577 --> 00:40:37.117


Make it work.00:40:37.117 --> 00:40:38.108


So yeah, that makes sense.00:40:38.137 --> 00:40:40.867


Um, I think that kind of thing is not going away.00:40:40.867 --> 00:40:41.077


And00:40:41.257 --> 00:40:49.117


so for kids, like get good at the AI tools, but don't expect them to bet complete problem solvers anytime soon.00:40:49.117 --> 00:40:52.538


You're gonna still have to be creative, thoughtful, intentional.00:40:52.597 --> 00:40:52.628


I00:40:52.628 --> 00:40:57.128


think, I think there's a huge human element that will never go away and uh, yeah.00:40:57.128 --> 00:41:02.677


You, you constantly have to know, kinda know the purpose of like what you're doing and, and why, and why am I building this and AI stuff.00:41:02.978 --> 00:41:04.867


I, you know, can't know that to a degree, but Yeah.00:41:05.527 --> 00:41:13.478


Um, it's, it's, I just think right now people are so enamored with it, like, wow, it can, you know, make me a song and it can make me a video.00:41:13.478 --> 00:41:13.568


Right.00:41:13.568 --> 00:41:22.958


And like fun things, but practical business uses, um, really depend on the role and the company and like if you're a marketing person, you got these tools.00:41:22.958 --> 00:41:29.588


If you're a totally account person, you're gonna have some other tools and so that will, I think keep getting better just in the same, that like.00:41:30.007 --> 00:41:33.518


Uh, there's a, you know, how many million of apps are out there?00:41:33.577 --> 00:41:33.728


Mm-hmm.00:41:34.088 --> 00:41:37.987


And every one of us is like, well, I use this app because it works for me.00:41:38.137 --> 00:41:38.438


Right.00:41:38.527 --> 00:41:43.297


And the engine behind it, you know, is built by a bunch of people in a, in a basement somewhere.00:41:43.297 --> 00:41:45.128


It doesn't matter, but it's something I want.00:41:45.128 --> 00:41:45.202


Yeah, yeah.00:41:45.208 --> 00:41:45.487


Yeah.00:41:45.487 --> 00:41:51.038


So it'd be the same thing, like, well, there's an AI built app, but it's only used by this small niche.00:41:51.697 --> 00:41:51.967


Right.00:41:51.967 --> 00:41:52.657


Or just me.00:41:52.717 --> 00:41:53.257


Or just me.00:41:53.257 --> 00:41:53.677


Yeah.00:41:53.858 --> 00:41:57.038


And you, and now there, there are tools that AI can go build your own apps.00:41:57.038 --> 00:41:57.407


Right, right.00:41:57.407 --> 00:42:02.378


Like, you know, so, but how, uh, how, how can you scale those and all that?00:42:02.378 --> 00:42:03.878


I, you know, that's a different story.00:42:03.907 --> 00:42:09.427


Do you have a, like visions for a significant amount of change with Digital Workshop Center?00:42:09.427 --> 00:42:12.818


Or you kind of plan to do more of what you've been doing?00:42:12.878 --> 00:42:13.387


Uh,00:42:13.447 --> 00:42:19.148


well, uh, on the AI front, I mean, every certificate program we offer has some module about.00:42:19.867 --> 00:42:20.617


Exactly what I just said.00:42:20.617 --> 00:42:23.077


The AI tools that are specific to that career.00:42:23.137 --> 00:42:23.467


Yeah.00:42:23.588 --> 00:42:28.208


So the marketing AI module is very different than the, um, yeah.00:42:28.208 --> 00:42:29.952


Accounting project management or the accounting project management.00:42:29.958 --> 00:42:30.068


Yeah.00:42:30.608 --> 00:42:34.507


There are tools that exist that can be helpful, but you need to learn it for your career.00:42:34.507 --> 00:42:36.248


So that's been a change.00:42:37.027 --> 00:42:49.597


Um, we've been trying to, you know, you know, a lot of the things that have become maybe a little bit less relevant, you know, like, like graphic design is becoming less relevant because people can use Canva.00:42:49.628 --> 00:42:49.987


Totally.00:42:50.047 --> 00:42:52.387


So they don't wanna spend the money to come to school to learn it.00:42:52.387 --> 00:42:52.632


Yep, yep.00:42:53.168 --> 00:42:53.858


Um.00:42:54.307 --> 00:42:58.447


We're trying to just kinda like follow where the careers are constantly.00:42:58.777 --> 00:43:05.677


So, um, any, there, there's lists by the government, there's lists by the, uh, public, uh, so you're like looking at some of those00:43:05.677 --> 00:43:08.438


unfilled role kind of things and just trends.00:43:08.438 --> 00:43:09.193


Trends, hiring trends.00:43:09.427 --> 00:43:09.878


Where are00:43:09.878 --> 00:43:18.248


there actual jobs gonna stay and remain, you know, and, you know, we don't want to teach people on things that are dying industries per se.00:43:18.728 --> 00:43:21.878


Um, but that's really what we're doing.00:43:21.878 --> 00:43:27.547


So it's, um, right now we're looking at a lot of like the comp stuff, if you know what that is.00:43:27.547 --> 00:43:32.137


It's, um, it has everything range from like how to like entry level.00:43:32.137 --> 00:43:34.717


It positions as like a very generic term.00:43:34.958 --> 00:43:34.987


Okay.00:43:34.987 --> 00:43:35.077


Yep.00:43:35.077 --> 00:43:37.987


You know, but there's a certification of like, um.00:43:38.483 --> 00:43:41.932


And, and a very common scenario for us would be someone who's been working manual labor.00:43:41.932 --> 00:43:43.672


They've been a plumber for 30 years.00:43:43.672 --> 00:43:43.882


Yep.00:43:43.943 --> 00:43:44.663


They can't do it anymore.00:43:44.663 --> 00:43:47.603


They got a physical disability, they just don't want do it anymore.00:43:47.932 --> 00:43:50.858


So they looked to say they need some competency in the arts.00:43:50.858 --> 00:43:50.867


Yeah.00:43:50.867 --> 00:43:56.422


They say, I wanna be, well, not even the arts, they just say, I wanna work in it as this like blanket broad statement.00:43:56.483 --> 00:43:56.842


Yeah.00:43:56.932 --> 00:43:59.362


So the first place that usually they would start is something like the coal00:43:59.362 --> 00:44:00.742


miners, uh, when they Yeah.00:44:00.742 --> 00:44:01.523


Said learn to code.00:44:01.762 --> 00:44:02.213


Yeah.00:44:02.213 --> 00:44:03.592


And now coders are useless.00:44:03.592 --> 00:44:04.402


So, and now Yeah.00:44:04.943 --> 00:44:05.152


Whoops.00:44:05.152 --> 00:44:05.663


Do something else.00:44:05.668 --> 00:44:05.818


Yeah.00:44:05.932 --> 00:44:06.143


Yeah.00:44:06.143 --> 00:44:14.543


Um, but you know, but so they would start with like, uh, a certification and Comp T is a great organization that does these kind of, uh, upskilling certifications.00:44:14.543 --> 00:44:14.632


Cool.00:44:14.632 --> 00:44:15.893


So a plus is the kind of.00:44:16.237 --> 00:44:17.047


Initial one.00:44:17.108 --> 00:44:17.467


Okay.00:44:17.588 --> 00:44:21.068


Uh, entry level IT positions you can get like Yeah, yeah, yeah.00:44:21.068 --> 00:44:23.152


You know, help desk and IT support that kinda stuff.00:44:23.152 --> 00:44:23.353


Sure.00:44:23.353 --> 00:44:25.838


But then that's like a gateway to many others.00:44:25.838 --> 00:44:28.327


So like network technician, cybersecurity.00:44:28.358 --> 00:44:28.807


Totally.00:44:28.867 --> 00:44:35.063


Um, uh, yeah, so there's a huge list of ones that, but generally you start with that, like a plus one if you're new.00:44:35.063 --> 00:44:36.032


I was like to technology,00:44:36.032 --> 00:44:42.157


I was like good at computers when I was in like seventh grade through 10th grade.00:44:43.027 --> 00:44:45.938


And then I kind of lost interest in some respects, even though Yeah.00:44:46.327 --> 00:44:50.108


Uh, early in my banking career, for example, people are like, can you fix my computer?00:44:50.108 --> 00:44:52.838


They're like, well, I can turn it off and turn it back on again.00:44:52.867 --> 00:44:53.228


Yeah.00:44:53.257 --> 00:44:53.768


Try that.00:44:53.768 --> 00:45:04.987


But tech support 1 0 1, you know, I've never, you know, either knock on wood or dumb on me for not developing that skillset, but it just hasn't been as interesting to me as a lot of other areas.00:45:04.987 --> 00:45:05.077


Yeah.00:45:05.168 --> 00:45:12.458


Well, but, but if I got fired, you know, I would probably think to myself, upleveling my own skill.00:45:12.458 --> 00:45:13.628


And I'm, I'm, I'm competent.00:45:13.628 --> 00:45:14.407


I can use Excel.00:45:14.407 --> 00:45:17.137


I've built some kick ass spreadsheets over the years and stuff like that.00:45:17.137 --> 00:45:18.967


I'm not just terrible.00:45:18.998 --> 00:45:19.327


Yeah.00:45:19.777 --> 00:45:21.128


You not chicken pecking at the keyboard.00:45:21.128 --> 00:45:24.847


But if I, if you put me at the health desk, I'm gonna struggle.00:45:25.418 --> 00:45:25.867


Yeah.00:45:25.867 --> 00:45:27.458


You know, I think, um.00:45:27.518 --> 00:45:39.427


Uh, like, like a lot of people, you know, the, the reason I got into using computers was kind of the, um, the cause and effect of, of being able to like, put in a line of code and like something came back, you know?00:45:39.518 --> 00:45:39.547


Mm.00:45:39.637 --> 00:45:40.208


It was the same thing.00:45:40.208 --> 00:45:47.047


It's funny, like, you know, having a three and a half year old, like his, his favorite things to do are when there's a, a, a response, right.00:45:47.047 --> 00:45:51.547


So, you know, if he can do something where he can build a tower so he can knock it over, right?00:45:51.608 --> 00:45:54.277


Like, that's fun and dad or mom goes, wow.00:45:54.277 --> 00:45:54.608


Yeah.00:45:54.608 --> 00:45:58.148


And well, he can see the response, even not, I can see the tower fall over.00:45:58.237 --> 00:46:02.768


Um, anything that involves that kind of level of response he's gonna be into.00:46:02.768 --> 00:46:06.007


And I think on some level, most semens are wired that way.00:46:06.007 --> 00:46:07.657


Like if I can see some Totally.00:46:07.657 --> 00:46:09.188


I can see the effect of what I just did.00:46:09.188 --> 00:46:09.547


Totally.00:46:09.608 --> 00:46:17.708


So, so computers are like this lazy, cheap way of doing it where like, Hey, I just hit a, a chair and I just type in some words Yeah.00:46:17.708 --> 00:46:19.038


And then gives me something, stuff happens.00:46:19.038 --> 00:46:19.282


Yeah.00:46:19.288 --> 00:46:19.628


Yeah.00:46:19.628 --> 00:46:22.748


Whereas, you know, you don't have to go out and break rocks in a coal mine or whatever.00:46:22.748 --> 00:46:23.467


Right, right.00:46:23.467 --> 00:46:24.608


Or I'm a farmer's kid.00:46:24.637 --> 00:46:24.907


Yeah.00:46:24.907 --> 00:46:25.447


And so00:46:25.447 --> 00:46:26.708


like when you, when you.00:46:27.052 --> 00:46:27.893


Till a field.00:46:28.282 --> 00:46:28.492


Yeah.00:46:28.492 --> 00:46:36.773


You know, you know, results, you go back and forth and you, you turn it from gray to kind of black the whole way until you're done and you can see every action that you made, you know?00:46:36.773 --> 00:46:36.862


Right.00:46:36.862 --> 00:46:37.103


Yeah.00:46:37.103 --> 00:46:39.623


And, but you know, like the outcome, your work, I made a difference today.00:46:39.623 --> 00:46:39.682


Yeah.00:46:39.682 --> 00:46:40.313


You made a difference.00:46:40.313 --> 00:46:45.503


I harvested a field, you know, I took all this, I did with my work, took crop and put it in the trucks and they hauled it off, you know?00:46:45.592 --> 00:46:46.313


Yeah, yeah.00:46:46.313 --> 00:46:46.882


Interesting.00:46:46.913 --> 00:46:51.262


And I think computers have always been that way to me, especially, it's just like, whoa, I can type this in.00:46:51.262 --> 00:46:55.282


Look, something came back and then you just kind of got, I just snowballed and got better and better at it.00:46:55.288 --> 00:46:55.447


Yeah.00:46:55.447 --> 00:46:55.568


Yeah.00:46:55.568 --> 00:46:56.813


Like, oh, I could come up with something different.00:46:57.023 --> 00:47:00.592


But I remember doing it on the, you know, dos prompts and like making the little Pacman move around.00:47:00.592 --> 00:47:01.193


No, way back.00:47:01.197 --> 00:47:01.327


Way back.00:47:01.333 --> 00:47:01.672


Yeah.00:47:01.672 --> 00:47:01.682


Yeah.00:47:01.913 --> 00:47:03.213


And that, but that was so cool at the time.00:47:03.213 --> 00:47:03.898


How old are you, by the way?00:47:04.012 --> 00:47:04.762


Uh, 47.00:47:04.882 --> 00:47:05.213


Okay.00:47:05.302 --> 00:47:15.563


I'm 51, so I'm just a little ahead of you that, that, uh, tech space, by the way, everybody gets a gift for coming on, and I, oh, I, I'm, I'm picking up a, uh, uh, a thing from the Sean Ryan show.00:47:15.893 --> 00:47:19.702


I've been leaving him out to the table, but he does it like right as part of the show.00:47:19.702 --> 00:47:24.143


And so here we have, oh, you're.00:47:24.922 --> 00:47:25.132


Thank you.00:47:25.943 --> 00:47:26.902


Vintage Loco.00:47:26.902 --> 00:47:27.592


Think Tank.00:47:27.623 --> 00:47:27.893


This is awesome.00:47:27.922 --> 00:47:28.762


Party cups.00:47:28.762 --> 00:47:28.822


Yeah.00:47:29.302 --> 00:47:32.782


Oh, some hot sauce from, uh, the crooked cup, uh, crew.00:47:32.782 --> 00:47:33.682


Zoe's kitchen.00:47:33.833 --> 00:47:34.342


Okay.00:47:34.342 --> 00:47:36.112


Gabe are no longer crooked.00:47:36.112 --> 00:47:36.382


Cup.00:47:36.952 --> 00:47:38.422


Some Loco experience.00:47:38.608 --> 00:47:39.277


Sunglasses.00:47:39.282 --> 00:47:40.972


Sunglasses, which totally custom.00:47:40.972 --> 00:47:43.612


Very few of those running around the community except for actually look00:47:43.612 --> 00:47:44.963


like decent sunglasses.00:47:44.992 --> 00:47:49.282


I mean, they're, they're, they, they cost me like$3 and 20 cents a piece when I were 500.00:47:49.282 --> 00:47:50.842


They call that decent, but they're cool looking.00:47:50.902 --> 00:47:51.233


Yeah.00:47:51.262 --> 00:47:51.532


Yeah.00:47:51.532 --> 00:47:52.313


And some stickers.00:47:52.313 --> 00:47:53.873


Thank you as well00:47:53.873 --> 00:47:58.853


as a nice note, which I thought you would find perhaps entertaining.00:47:59.782 --> 00:48:00.773


You can read it if you like.00:48:01.253 --> 00:48:04.432


Oh, thanks for making time to share your journey on the Loco experience.00:48:04.432 --> 00:48:07.402


May your classes and your joys be full.00:48:07.853 --> 00:48:08.152


Thank you.00:48:08.213 --> 00:48:11.032


And your tradition transitions be tight and groovy.00:48:11.333 --> 00:48:11.753


Thank you.00:48:11.873 --> 00:48:12.833


Yeah, very thoughtful.00:48:12.833 --> 00:48:13.702


Thank you very much.00:48:13.702 --> 00:48:14.393


Someday when I'm00:48:14.393 --> 00:48:20.362


famous, you can put that on your wall and be like, I was episode 2 47 of the Loco Experience Podcast.00:48:20.693 --> 00:48:23.722


Well, it's good timing'cause I think we were kind of very low on hot sauce.00:48:23.722 --> 00:48:24.922


So we've just talking about that.00:48:24.922 --> 00:48:31.702


We were at the farmer's market a couple weeks back and we would've bought things, but our kid was running around, couldn't corral.00:48:31.702 --> 00:48:32.302


I might have some00:48:32.302 --> 00:48:35.902


leftover hot sauce, uh, I could give you from our hot nugs conversations.00:48:35.902 --> 00:48:36.922


Did you see those coming across?00:48:37.342 --> 00:48:38.543


I saw in September, October.00:48:38.603 --> 00:48:39.293


I saw, yeah.00:48:39.293 --> 00:48:41.422


Like you were talking about the mayor Mayoral, was that the right one?00:48:41.422 --> 00:48:42.472


Yeah, the mayoral candidates.00:48:42.472 --> 00:48:42.952


Candidates.00:48:42.983 --> 00:48:43.907


Um, yeah.00:48:43.927 --> 00:48:44.753


Um, and we dipped00:48:44.753 --> 00:48:49.222


nuggets into the hot sauces from Matador Mexican Grill and from Old Town Spice Shop.00:48:49.253 --> 00:48:49.972


Oh, that's cool.00:48:49.972 --> 00:48:54.322


Were like, I was, one of the last things Shirley Peele said to me in her conversation with me is.00:48:54.818 --> 00:48:56.288


Oh my God, you were so sweaty.00:48:56.887 --> 00:48:58.092


And I was like, yes, I am.00:48:58.652 --> 00:49:03.572


I, I would, I would wiss out on that real fast because I, I can't handle too hot that that's more of a medium.00:49:03.577 --> 00:49:04.057


Medium, yeah.00:49:04.507 --> 00:49:05.588


Medium's where I usually, I stop00:49:05.708 --> 00:49:12.097


my next, uh, my next batch is gonna be much crazier because it just feels like, you know, I kind of went for a crowd pleaser.00:49:12.157 --> 00:49:12.608


Yeah.00:49:12.608 --> 00:49:13.237


And it, and it's good.00:49:13.237 --> 00:49:14.108


It's a nice hot sauce.00:49:14.108 --> 00:49:14.498


It's great.00:49:14.498 --> 00:49:19.447


But when you got something called the Loco Experience, hot sauce, it should probably be a little crazier.00:49:19.447 --> 00:49:19.867


It be crazy.00:49:19.867 --> 00:49:20.168


Yeah.00:49:20.172 --> 00:49:20.333


Yeah.00:49:20.338 --> 00:49:20.617


So you,00:49:20.617 --> 00:49:24.007


you made this in the test kitchen or the, well, Gabe made it, it's Zoe's kitchen for me.00:49:24.128 --> 00:49:24.248


Oh, cool.00:49:24.248 --> 00:49:24.577


And he sells00:49:24.577 --> 00:49:26.797


it to me a hundred bottles at a time or something like that.00:49:26.802 --> 00:49:27.052


That's awesome.00:49:27.052 --> 00:49:27.172


Yeah.00:49:27.172 --> 00:49:27.608


Very cool.00:49:27.637 --> 00:49:27.847


Yeah.00:49:28.418 --> 00:49:28.688


Thank you.00:49:28.717 --> 00:49:30.458


Um, yes, you're quite welcome.00:49:30.668 --> 00:49:33.547


I want to hear about like, the music industry.00:49:33.938 --> 00:49:34.208


Yeah.00:49:34.237 --> 00:49:36.788


That's changed a lot since you moved here pursuing music.00:49:36.967 --> 00:49:37.297


Yeah.00:49:37.327 --> 00:49:38.077


Also, yeah.00:49:38.288 --> 00:49:49.117


Um, talk to me about like the dynamic in that kind of what, I guess too big to quit, but too small to actually make any real money on it or whatever.00:49:49.177 --> 00:49:50.768


I suppose that's kind of the space that.00:49:51.143 --> 00:49:52.913


Most of those bands are in.00:49:52.943 --> 00:49:53.873


Yeah, yeah.00:49:53.873 --> 00:49:58.793


You know, um, uh, certainly the music industry industry has changed.00:49:58.853 --> 00:50:04.282


Um, it used to be where you would make your money by recording, putting a CD out, right.00:50:04.282 --> 00:50:05.543


People bought the cd Right.00:50:05.603 --> 00:50:08.362


And you then you had some merch, even a hundred thousand copies.00:50:08.362 --> 00:50:11.003


You got real money, you made real money, you had a real00:50:11.063 --> 00:50:16.313


career, and then you would tour to support the selling of the cd.00:50:16.342 --> 00:50:16.822


Right, right.00:50:16.822 --> 00:50:17.813


That was the revenue engine.00:50:17.813 --> 00:50:19.523


That was if you broke even on the tour, that was great.00:50:19.552 --> 00:50:20.302


Yeah, exactly.00:50:20.362 --> 00:50:29.452


You were trying to sell albums and CDs, um, and Spotify and streaming and all that have completely ruined that.00:50:29.512 --> 00:50:35.722


Um, where you make nothing on the music you make really, which is wild to think about.00:50:35.722 --> 00:50:39.112


Like, so as the creator, like literally nothing, nothing.00:50:39.112 --> 00:50:42.068


Zero really 0.0, 0, 0, 0, 0.00:50:42.072 --> 00:50:42.443


Like that, you're00:50:42.443 --> 00:50:43.612


like, you're welcome.00:50:43.672 --> 00:50:47.242


Yeah, for us to put this on here so people can find you when they want to see you tour.00:50:47.393 --> 00:50:47.693


Exactly.00:50:48.233 --> 00:50:50.452


So that's exactly how it works now, which stinks.00:50:50.782 --> 00:50:52.597


Um, what was that first file shoot?00:50:52.597 --> 00:50:53.038


Am swear on here.00:50:53.038 --> 00:50:54.717


Yeah, you can say that fucking sucks.00:50:54.717 --> 00:50:54.728


Shit.00:50:54.862 --> 00:50:55.313


Okay.00:50:55.612 --> 00:51:02.362


Um, yeah, it so it, it just like is so, uh, demoralizing as a musician.00:51:02.362 --> 00:51:04.373


You're like, right, why the fuck am I doing this?00:51:04.373 --> 00:51:05.932


I wrote a book about it, you know, I wrote00:51:05.932 --> 00:51:07.552


a song about it and nobody pays it.00:51:07.612 --> 00:51:18.952


And nobody's, nobody's reimbursing me for the content that you are, you know, Spotify taking and going to make the money, but I'm the one that gave you the thing to make the money.00:51:18.952 --> 00:51:22.432


You know, like, and obviously we're not that big, so like, not that Yeah.00:51:22.432 --> 00:51:22.882


Essential.00:51:23.273 --> 00:51:24.413


But, um,00:51:24.443 --> 00:51:24.773


but you'd have00:51:24.773 --> 00:51:25.043


sold00:51:25.043 --> 00:51:26.782


a hell of a lot of CDs if it was the00:51:26.782 --> 00:51:27.262


nineties.00:51:27.268 --> 00:51:27.773


Yeah, well, yeah.00:51:27.773 --> 00:51:28.043


Yeah.00:51:28.043 --> 00:51:29.483


It would be a totally different ball game.00:51:29.483 --> 00:51:32.213


And, and we did, I mean, for the longest time when I, so.00:51:32.737 --> 00:51:40.867


You know, going back to when I really started playing, um, CDs were everything and, and press kits were manual and paper and all, you know, you know, and that's dating me.00:51:40.867 --> 00:51:42.697


But like, that's how things were done.00:51:42.697 --> 00:51:45.907


And then when email came around, it was like, I can email you my press kit.00:51:45.938 --> 00:51:46.748


What a glorious thing.00:51:46.748 --> 00:51:50.677


But I would still print CDs for the purpose of making money.00:51:50.737 --> 00:51:50.978


Yeah.00:51:51.038 --> 00:51:58.208


And every band I was in, we would, we would play the shows to make the money for the purpose of printing the CDs, selling more CDs.00:51:58.208 --> 00:51:58.333


CDs.00:51:58.597 --> 00:52:00.007


That's how we would actually make a living.00:52:00.728 --> 00:52:03.487


And that really, you know, we did like, okay.00:52:03.487 --> 00:52:13.418


You know, I never made it big obviously, but, um, and even grip weed, you know, when I first got involved, like, we printed a ton of CDs and we sold a lot of'em.00:52:13.418 --> 00:52:14.092


Like, you know, yeah.00:52:14.137 --> 00:52:16.777


We, we made a good amount of money, but that was right.00:52:17.257 --> 00:52:19.358


You know, as things started to kinda shift to digital.00:52:19.418 --> 00:52:21.818


And, um, what was that first file sharing?00:52:22.208 --> 00:52:22.777


Service.00:52:22.927 --> 00:52:24.907


Uh, well, there was, uh, Napster.00:52:24.938 --> 00:52:26.438


Napster, yeah.00:52:26.438 --> 00:52:27.757


I had that and I thought it was the greatest.00:52:27.757 --> 00:52:30.668


I was like, I can download Metallica, don't sue me.00:52:30.697 --> 00:52:31.568


Uh uh.00:52:31.927 --> 00:52:32.108


Right.00:52:32.197 --> 00:52:33.097


They actually sue people.00:52:33.458 --> 00:52:49.597


Um, I could download real, uh, like amazing content, you know, it was like live shows of bands I loved and totally just, you know, full CDs or whatever, but like, it was all just like random stuff and it was just the wild west of downloading.00:52:49.657 --> 00:52:50.947


You know what Bit Torrent are?00:52:50.978 --> 00:52:51.217


Yep.00:52:51.458 --> 00:52:51.967


I remember that too.00:52:51.967 --> 00:52:52.358


Yeah.00:52:52.362 --> 00:52:52.432


Yeah.00:52:52.438 --> 00:52:54.307


So movies and, and whatever.00:52:54.307 --> 00:52:54.577


Right.00:52:54.967 --> 00:52:59.648


Um, and I was like 19, 20 when that was happening, so it was like, wow, this is amazing.00:52:59.708 --> 00:52:59.858


Right.00:52:59.858 --> 00:53:00.967


I can't believe I can get this for free.00:53:00.967 --> 00:53:01.777


I don't have to spend any money.00:53:01.807 --> 00:53:02.208


Yeah, yeah.00:53:02.318 --> 00:53:08.137


But later little did you know that it was actually nibbling at the foundation of your real love of music and the ability to ever.00:53:08.827 --> 00:53:09.878


Really make any money on that, really00:53:09.878 --> 00:53:10.688


make any money at it.00:53:10.748 --> 00:53:13.568


And so now the only way to make money is to tour.00:53:14.378 --> 00:53:16.027


And you know when that shift happens.00:53:16.027 --> 00:53:27.248


I remember my like favorite artists, you know, the, the David Byrne and the Radiohead and the, you know, these guys are like putting out music however long ago, not that long ago, like 10 years ago or something.00:53:27.248 --> 00:53:27.398


Yeah.00:53:28.057 --> 00:53:31.027


Um, they said it, it's free.00:53:31.597 --> 00:53:35.617


They put it on their own website and they're like, I remember Radiohead was maybe one of the first ones were like, interesting.00:53:35.648 --> 00:53:36.338


We're not gonna charge you.00:53:36.338 --> 00:53:36.697


It's free.00:53:36.998 --> 00:53:37.208


Yeah.00:53:37.208 --> 00:53:46.297


And like, everyone I knew was like mind blown of like, how could, how could they, the biggest people do that one, it was being pirated underneath through Napster and whatever.00:53:46.297 --> 00:53:46.307


Anyway.00:53:46.307 --> 00:53:46.382


Yeah.00:53:46.382 --> 00:53:48.143


People were stealing anyway, so why not find it?00:53:48.143 --> 00:53:49.838


So might as get it to all the masses.00:53:50.288 --> 00:53:53.588


And then the streaming kind of started taking off and I think they were just.00:53:53.902 --> 00:53:58.193


Ahead of it and that like, um, we're, we're not gonna make money on this anymore.00:53:58.253 --> 00:53:58.583


Yeah.00:53:58.672 --> 00:54:02.362


So they could afford to do that and go out there and, and I was so reluctant.00:54:02.362 --> 00:54:04.972


I remember being very adamant, like, we have to print CDs.00:54:04.972 --> 00:54:06.893


Like, who doesn't print CDs?00:54:06.893 --> 00:54:07.882


That's how it's done.00:54:07.882 --> 00:54:08.967


That's, that's how you make money.00:54:08.967 --> 00:54:10.853


It's very old school way of thinking now.00:54:10.853 --> 00:54:11.182


Totally.00:54:11.422 --> 00:54:13.463


And well, nobody's even got a CD play or hardly00:54:13.552 --> 00:54:13.853


No.00:54:14.333 --> 00:54:14.512


Yeah.00:54:14.693 --> 00:54:15.293


There's no point.00:54:15.293 --> 00:54:15.413


Right.00:54:15.503 --> 00:54:18.862


It's like, and every album I've done in the last couple years.00:54:19.387 --> 00:54:25.628


Because we're all like, of the same age, you know, late forties, early fifties, I guess everyone involved is like, well, we gotta print something.00:54:25.628 --> 00:54:27.847


And, and really deep down, like, no, we don't.00:54:28.057 --> 00:54:28.507


Right.00:54:28.507 --> 00:54:29.557


Nobody wants this.00:54:29.557 --> 00:54:30.097


Right.00:54:30.157 --> 00:54:31.387


Nobody wants this.00:54:31.387 --> 00:54:33.128


Five people in the country want this.00:54:33.157 --> 00:54:33.277


Right.00:54:33.277 --> 00:54:33.487


You know?00:54:33.757 --> 00:54:34.208


Totally.00:54:34.268 --> 00:54:35.617


Uh, and you can't print five.00:54:35.677 --> 00:54:37.717


So like, it's just dumb.00:54:37.748 --> 00:54:40.478


And it, it, it is a very hard way to go now.00:54:40.538 --> 00:54:48.128


Um, so you, so you have to tour and touring has always been a part of being a musician, but, um, do you, do you actively tour?00:54:48.398 --> 00:54:55.387


Um, dead Floyd stays really busy and we, we used to do more, you know, since kids, it's more like weekends and stuff.00:54:55.387 --> 00:54:55.597


Right.00:54:55.597 --> 00:54:55.927


You'll roll00:54:55.927 --> 00:54:58.358


down to Colorado Springs or somewhere.00:54:58.358 --> 00:54:58.657


Exactly.00:54:58.657 --> 00:54:58.958


Whatever.00:54:58.958 --> 00:55:00.458


Salida another show, a couple flying00:55:00.458 --> 00:55:01.297


shows here and there.00:55:01.358 --> 00:55:01.688


Okay.00:55:01.748 --> 00:55:03.518


Where like Arizona or.00:55:04.282 --> 00:55:08.172


Um, Montana or Chicago, we've got some following in the little pockets.00:55:08.172 --> 00:55:08.637


We've got some following.00:55:08.643 --> 00:55:13.882


And so the venue, we, we can get paid enough to cover getting flown there and they have the gear there.00:55:14.152 --> 00:55:17.242


So it has to be like the right mix of situations and big enough venues.00:55:17.242 --> 00:55:18.233


So you can sell enough tickets.00:55:18.233 --> 00:55:19.132


We can sell enough tickets.00:55:19.132 --> 00:55:19.583


Yeah.00:55:19.943 --> 00:55:27.143


So, so the, the strain on the whole industry at this point is like, well why are ticket prices so high was'cause that's how artists make money, right?00:55:27.233 --> 00:55:28.043


Uh, yeah.00:55:28.043 --> 00:55:29.663


We used to be able to buy tickets for 20 bucks.00:55:29.663 --> 00:55:31.797


'cause they wanted to sell you a CD thing too, and wanted a cd.00:55:32.003 --> 00:55:34.012


They make an extra$9 on that cd.00:55:34.043 --> 00:55:34.282


Yeah.00:55:34.373 --> 00:55:37.492


Now they know when you walk in there, like maybe you'll buy a t-shirt if it's someone you like.00:55:37.987 --> 00:55:40.297


But most of the money they're gonna make is at the ticket.00:55:40.327 --> 00:55:40.597


Yep.00:55:40.628 --> 00:55:41.407


And that's it.00:55:41.407 --> 00:55:42.938


And so the venue has to make the money and the00:55:42.938 --> 00:55:45.757


venue makes the money on the drinks and the food and whatever else, but00:55:45.757 --> 00:55:48.097


they still, you know, they're in, they gotta make their money.00:55:48.128 --> 00:55:48.367


Right.00:55:48.398 --> 00:55:50.378


So they're, they went off a piece of the ticket.00:55:50.407 --> 00:55:50.648


Totally.00:55:50.648 --> 00:55:52.657


Management on all sides takes a piece of the ticket.00:55:52.927 --> 00:56:01.507


So it's, it's like, as an artist, you spend 150 bucks on a ticket now, and, and, but to the artists, I mean, they're getting like 30% of that.00:56:01.568 --> 00:56:04.358


If that, I mean, that's probably being generous in a lot of cases.00:56:04.777 --> 00:56:07.237


The, the number of times it gets diced up is crazy.00:56:07.387 --> 00:56:07.628


Yeah.00:56:07.688 --> 00:56:10.657


Um, and so it, yeah, it's a hard way to go.00:56:10.657 --> 00:56:16.538


And I think the, uh, for us, you know, we are able to kind of make it work within this Loco area.00:56:16.538 --> 00:56:17.378


A nichey thing.00:56:17.378 --> 00:56:19.777


Well, like the Dead Floyd has kind of its own.00:56:20.213 --> 00:56:20.963


Kind of captured.00:56:20.992 --> 00:56:21.112


Yeah.00:56:21.112 --> 00:56:26.873


Not captured niche, but you're probably one of top three dead cover bands around, at least that I'm aware of.00:56:26.873 --> 00:56:27.563


Well, thank you.00:56:27.682 --> 00:56:35.813


I'd say we're the best about, maybe, probably, probably the best one, but, but there's, right, and especially you start looking at other regions of the country and stuff, there's, I'm sure there's other,00:56:35.992 --> 00:56:46.072


there's tons of popular ones, tons and tons of them, and it's, it seems very saturated and, and it's sometimes I feel like, you know, are we just another, another group doing this?00:56:46.072 --> 00:56:50.693


But I, the thing I've always liked about it, why that that's going on 16 or 17 years now of doing that.00:56:50.722 --> 00:56:50.963


Okay.00:56:51.532 --> 00:56:54.353


Uh, and the thing I've always liked about it is, is a couple things.00:56:54.353 --> 00:56:55.282


One, it's different.00:56:55.282 --> 00:56:59.963


It's not just playing the Grateful Dead, which I totally, I absolutely love the Grateful Dead, but there's so many people doing it.00:56:59.963 --> 00:57:06.652


It's, it's almost like playing jazz standards where you could just, you know, if you go to another jazz club, you're gonna hear a lot of the same stuff, same people.00:57:06.652 --> 00:57:07.552


You can go through the motions.00:57:07.552 --> 00:57:13.193


You don't really have to put a lot of effort in to get people to show up, and they kind of know what they want and they know what to expect to get it.00:57:13.853 --> 00:57:16.583


There's nothing wrong with that at all, but that's why I like Shakedown Street better.00:57:16.583 --> 00:57:16.643


Whoa,00:57:17.452 --> 00:57:17.663


whoa.00:57:19.793 --> 00:57:20.123


No comment.00:57:20.123 --> 00:57:21.472


What's that kid from Boulder?00:57:21.472 --> 00:57:23.932


The youngsters have a dead cover band down there.00:57:24.112 --> 00:57:24.773


There's tons of them.00:57:24.893 --> 00:57:25.737


There's ones all the time.00:57:25.737 --> 00:57:27.052


Anyway, they were pretty solid.00:57:27.052 --> 00:57:28.523


Uh, I saw them a couple years ago too.00:57:28.583 --> 00:57:28.943


Okay.00:57:28.943 --> 00:57:29.782


Anyway, I digress.00:57:29.842 --> 00:57:32.663


But, um, but your vibe is a little different, but I think we've always00:57:32.663 --> 00:57:34.373


been there'cause we do the Pink Floyd mix in there.00:57:34.373 --> 00:57:34.762


Yeah.00:57:34.762 --> 00:57:34.943


And it's00:57:34.943 --> 00:57:38.902


almost like those long transitions, almost like widespread and fish and stuff like that Yeah.00:57:38.902 --> 00:57:40.463


Is a little bit more your vibe00:57:40.463 --> 00:57:41.213


of e Exactly.00:57:41.213 --> 00:57:44.782


So the, the, you know, the jam more jazzy jam, jamy, jazzy It is.00:57:44.782 --> 00:57:45.172


And that's00:57:45.172 --> 00:57:46.733


ja not jazzy music, but.00:57:47.032 --> 00:57:48.682


It's way of the jazz, the improvisational part.00:57:48.682 --> 00:57:49.043


Jazz musician.00:57:49.043 --> 00:57:50.003


Yeah, exactly.00:57:50.003 --> 00:57:54.893


And honestly, that's the only, I don't wanna say the only, that's, nobody knows what you're gonna play because you don't even really know what you're play.00:57:54.893 --> 00:57:54.922


You don't play.00:57:54.922 --> 00:57:54.987


We're gonna play.00:57:54.992 --> 00:57:56.663


And that's the part that I like.00:57:56.668 --> 00:57:56.748


Yeah.00:57:56.753 --> 00:57:59.663


You know, so living on the edge of like, this could be awesome.00:58:00.172 --> 00:58:01.307


Uh, of course it could be.00:58:01.307 --> 00:58:02.512


It might fall really terrible.00:58:02.603 --> 00:58:02.932


Yeah.00:58:03.083 --> 00:58:03.742


It is really fun.00:58:03.742 --> 00:58:11.543


And it's like very much like, uh, maybe you can relate to, you know, running a business, you're just like, well today this seems like the right thing to do.00:58:11.572 --> 00:58:11.902


Right.00:58:11.902 --> 00:58:15.773


You go for it, you spend some money, you put in all this effort, and then you're like, that didn't work.00:58:15.893 --> 00:58:16.012


Right.00:58:16.012 --> 00:58:17.152


And then you try something else.00:58:17.152 --> 00:58:17.302


Yep.00:58:17.302 --> 00:58:24.202


And improvisationally, I mean, you're talking about like every second you've gotta like, you know, come up with, totally flow with it, come up with ideas.00:58:24.952 --> 00:58:37.583


But that's kinda like the fun part is like, you just go and every time it is different, you know, it's corny maybe in some ways, but like you truly, when we play whatever popular songs between the two bands, you know, yeah.00:58:37.612 --> 00:58:45.023


We can play the two most popular songs, but if we put some transitional part in there that's improvisational, uh, that part.00:58:45.922 --> 00:58:46.672


Is ours.00:58:46.702 --> 00:58:48.443


That's the most fun for you guys, especially.00:58:48.443 --> 00:58:50.572


Well, it's like, it's ours as in like, we created that.00:58:50.577 --> 00:58:50.728


Yep.00:58:51.293 --> 00:58:54.233


And that we take some ownership of that.00:58:54.322 --> 00:59:01.702


And I, I've always loved that part of doing that band, and I've known those guys for a long time, so they're, you know, some of my closest friends.00:59:01.733 --> 00:59:04.643


Um, and they're just good at it.00:59:04.643 --> 00:59:09.983


You know, they're good at like, being able to kind of ride through the good and the bad and covering your mistakes.00:59:10.552 --> 00:59:17.032


That's super fun to me, is I, I love improvisational living on the edge of like, this could be terrible or this could be good.00:59:17.032 --> 00:59:17.362


Yeah.00:59:18.083 --> 00:59:20.362


Um, so that's why Dead Floyd, I think keeps going.00:59:20.393 --> 00:59:26.483


And, uh, luckily, you know, Charlie, the guitar player, I was playing with him before Dead Floyd in a different band called The Grip.00:59:26.842 --> 00:59:27.443


Oh yeah.00:59:27.443 --> 00:59:28.282


Um, I remember that.00:59:28.282 --> 00:59:31.822


And um, I did a little bit and it was like a, like a.00:59:32.527 --> 00:59:35.018


Training time for the Dead Floyd in a way.00:59:35.047 --> 00:59:37.927


'cause like we just got better at improv and it was an organ trio.00:59:37.927 --> 00:59:41.197


So it, it's all jazzy, funky, instrumental for the most part.00:59:42.038 --> 00:59:46.117


And we got better at just listening to each other and me and him a very good job of listening.00:59:46.117 --> 00:59:50.737


And then when we got to, uh, when that started, kind of slow down.00:59:51.398 --> 00:59:54.338


Uh, I just remember asking him like, we should just do something fun.00:59:54.338 --> 00:59:55.478


I've never been in a cover band.00:59:55.478 --> 00:59:56.438


I never really wanted to be one.00:59:56.438 --> 00:59:56.737


Yeah.00:59:56.827 --> 00:59:57.757


I was like, we just do something fun.00:59:57.757 --> 01:00:07.268


Like, um, I think I know like, you know, all the Grateful Dead, all the Allman Brothers, like all the Pink Floyd, and he's like, I could tell you pretty much every Grateful Dead song by heart.01:00:07.447 --> 01:00:08.527


Like, like, try me.01:00:08.527 --> 01:00:09.277


And like he knew it.01:00:09.277 --> 01:00:09.697


He did.01:00:09.757 --> 01:00:10.237


Oh, wow.01:00:10.297 --> 01:00:14.648


And then the other guy who we were like, just chatting with something, we've already got all the skills we need for that.01:00:14.648 --> 01:00:18.458


Well, and I remember we originally were gonna say like, we're gonna call it like the Monsters of Rock Show or something.01:00:18.458 --> 01:00:21.427


'cause it was gonna be like just the big names of Classic Rock.01:00:21.427 --> 01:00:21.728


Sure.01:00:22.148 --> 01:00:24.458


But, uh, Josh at the time, he was the bass player.01:00:24.458 --> 01:00:29.228


He was, um, I had known him from Ohio Music scene and he had moved out here randomly.01:00:29.228 --> 01:00:34.268


I ran into him, I said, oh, hey, me and my buddy Charlie are trying to do this thing and we're just gonna do like Monsters of Rock.01:00:34.268 --> 01:00:37.568


He's like, I'm pretty sure I know every Pink Floyd song memorized.01:00:38.092 --> 01:00:39.547


And I was like, really?01:00:39.547 --> 01:00:41.617


And then he, he did, you know, for the most part.01:00:42.157 --> 01:00:45.608


And so we all got in the same room and we were like, well, let's figure a few things out.01:00:45.608 --> 01:00:49.748


And I remember, like, we started talking about other stuff, but pretty quickly we're like.01:00:50.347 --> 01:00:51.608


Why are we gonna do other stuff?01:00:51.608 --> 01:00:55.237


And we know, like the full catalog of two of the biggest bands in the world.01:00:55.237 --> 01:00:55.628


Totally.01:00:55.628 --> 01:00:58.088


And the most passionate followers that has a lot of overlap.01:00:58.088 --> 01:00:58.748


Besides it, it's01:00:58.748 --> 01:00:59.347


something overlap.01:00:59.347 --> 01:00:59.648


Yeah.01:00:59.677 --> 01:00:59.797


Yeah.01:00:59.797 --> 01:01:02.827


Some, I mean, not fully, but some people get confused, but some people get it.01:01:02.827 --> 01:01:03.188


Yeah.01:01:03.338 --> 01:01:12.367


Um, and so yeah, it became like, it just kind of like, was like a, you know, light on a light bulb moment of like, I think we should just do those two bands.01:01:12.367 --> 01:01:13.418


And then Yeah.01:01:13.418 --> 01:01:20.347


I remember, uh, like, you know, I, I was always trying to think of like the simplest name possible, and I was like, well, we should just call it Dead Floyd.01:01:20.347 --> 01:01:22.358


And, and like, it was just like, thinkink just kept like rolling.01:01:22.717 --> 01:01:24.217


We were like, well that's a great idea.01:01:24.217 --> 01:01:28.568


And then, and so, uh, I remember not Grateful Floyd, uh, grateful Pink.01:01:30.128 --> 01:01:30.907


That one doesn't roll.01:01:31.748 --> 01:01:32.467


That sounds little dirty or something.01:01:32.467 --> 01:01:33.637


Yeah, a little weirder.01:01:33.967 --> 01:01:36.547


Uh, so it just, yeah, it works.01:01:36.547 --> 01:01:38.018


And so that one again is like.01:01:39.307 --> 01:01:41.288


Drawing on the two largest fan bases.01:01:41.347 --> 01:01:41.498


Yeah.01:01:41.498 --> 01:01:42.128


Of classic rock.01:01:42.128 --> 01:01:42.307


Totally.01:01:42.307 --> 01:01:46.297


So, um, you know, we have a nice built-in crowd if you like, either band, you probably like it.01:01:46.657 --> 01:01:48.338


If you like both bands, you probably really like it.01:01:48.338 --> 01:01:48.668


For those01:01:48.668 --> 01:01:51.967


that don't know Musketeer Grip Weed, uh, how would you wanna Yeah.01:01:51.998 --> 01:01:53.947


Describe their uh, subset?01:01:54.427 --> 01:01:58.088


The grip weed is just very bluesy driven.01:01:58.148 --> 01:01:58.327


Yeah.01:01:58.688 --> 01:02:00.637


Bluesy, rock driven with a little bit of soul.01:02:01.027 --> 01:02:03.967


Um, mostly originals, occasional covers.01:02:03.998 --> 01:02:05.407


Yeah, it's almost all original.01:02:05.407 --> 01:02:07.507


Definitely throw a few covers in there for fun on the live shows.01:02:07.507 --> 01:02:11.347


But, um, you know, I always had a good message.01:02:11.347 --> 01:02:13.538


Jason was always very positive person.01:02:13.597 --> 01:02:13.838


Yeah.01:02:13.838 --> 01:02:22.688


Um, it's hard to be positive in this times, these times these days, but he was generally, at least back then was more positive and I think he's got more cynical.01:02:23.018 --> 01:02:24.757


Well, it's happens to most of us.01:02:24.757 --> 01:02:25.057


Really.01:02:25.057 --> 01:02:25.117


Yeah.01:02:25.538 --> 01:02:31.088


Um, and so again, just having, like knowing Matt from Dead Floyd keyboard player Yeah.01:02:31.237 --> 01:02:31.867


Knowing Jason A.01:02:31.867 --> 01:02:34.358


Little bit, it just kind of was easy to slide over to that.01:02:34.387 --> 01:02:36.128


And, um.01:02:36.552 --> 01:02:41.143


He's got a little bit like a, um, a Chris Robinson from Black Crows kind of voice.01:02:41.172 --> 01:02:41.443


Yeah.01:02:41.443 --> 01:02:41.452


Yeah.01:02:41.833 --> 01:02:42.762


And I was like black.01:02:42.762 --> 01:02:44.382


I mean these are like things, all things I like.01:02:44.507 --> 01:02:45.222


And so just like easy.01:02:45.222 --> 01:02:45.882


One of my favorite01:02:45.882 --> 01:02:55.543


shows ever was Chris Robinson, um, with kind of his own thing as Black Crows was kind of winding down and they had a Black Crows concert in Denver.01:02:55.603 --> 01:02:55.873


Yeah.01:02:55.873 --> 01:03:00.282


And then starting at one o'clock in the morning was Chris Robinson and his new trio01:03:00.373 --> 01:03:00.733


Oh wow.01:03:00.793 --> 01:03:01.452


In Boulder.01:03:01.603 --> 01:03:01.902


Yeah.01:03:01.992 --> 01:03:12.163


And so we had tickets to the one o'clock show that got out at like three 30 in the morning and I was the designated driver'cause I was willing to only smoke weed, not drink alcohol back in the day and stuff.01:03:12.163 --> 01:03:21.913


And uh, one of the best shows actually that I've been to, it was just so authentically, like it was him carving a new path outside of the Black Crows.01:03:21.913 --> 01:03:22.213


Yeah.01:03:22.302 --> 01:03:26.563


It kind of set him apart from his brother who was musically maybe more talented.01:03:26.563 --> 01:03:27.193


And yeah.01:03:27.222 --> 01:03:30.733


Writing songs, I would think that's probably true lyrically and vocally much more talented.01:03:30.733 --> 01:03:31.123


Totally.01:03:31.182 --> 01:03:31.512


And.01:03:32.018 --> 01:03:33.338


He's, he's fantastic.01:03:33.338 --> 01:03:38.617


So it, the sound of grip weed kind of is rooted in a lot of that just bluesy rock.01:03:38.617 --> 01:03:44.947


But then we're all like, for the most part, uh, uh, big into, you know, I grew up like listening to Phish.01:03:44.947 --> 01:03:46.177


That was like my band of choice.01:03:46.177 --> 01:03:46.358


Okay.01:03:46.418 --> 01:03:55.507


And then, you know, after high school and stuff, um, I got, I didn't get into the Grateful Dead till like way later and like these jam bands, but like Phish was like the first one I was introduced to.01:03:55.507 --> 01:03:58.237


I was like, oh, I love this improvisational part of what you're doing.01:03:58.507 --> 01:04:00.128


I had never seen that or heard that.01:04:00.132 --> 01:04:00.242


Yeah.01:04:00.248 --> 01:04:00.458


Yeah.01:04:00.458 --> 01:04:01.387


And it was all live stuff.01:04:01.387 --> 01:04:03.487


So I came back around to that later.01:04:03.547 --> 01:04:07.628


Um, and, uh, everyone in that band is really into that.01:04:07.717 --> 01:04:10.268


We don't do like that part as much.01:04:10.268 --> 01:04:11.882


It was just little, like more like traditional songs.01:04:11.882 --> 01:04:11.963


Yeah.01:04:11.963 --> 01:04:12.788


It's more like classic, uh,01:04:13.123 --> 01:04:14.858


the, the Blues Rock combo.01:04:14.887 --> 01:04:15.367


Blues rock.01:04:15.367 --> 01:04:19.867


But, but it, it definitely dip into like more soul stuff and bad stuff.01:04:19.867 --> 01:04:23.168


You know, we're out some stuff for the, we have a 20th anniversary show coming up.01:04:23.197 --> 01:04:23.918


Oh, when's that?01:04:23.978 --> 01:04:25.117


December 13th.01:04:25.822 --> 01:04:28.492


This episode probably won't be out before then, but, uh, that's okay.01:04:28.492 --> 01:04:29.182


You just missed it.01:04:29.182 --> 01:04:29.722


If you're listening.01:04:29.722 --> 01:04:29.842


Yeah.01:04:30.563 --> 01:04:31.132


We'll see what we'll do.01:04:31.132 --> 01:04:32.003


Maybe you personally.01:04:32.063 --> 01:04:32.663


Yeah, for sure.01:04:32.663 --> 01:04:33.023


I'll come.01:04:33.023 --> 01:04:33.623


Where's where?01:04:33.623 --> 01:04:34.342


Uh, at the Aggie.01:04:34.402 --> 01:04:34.822


At the Aggie.01:04:34.822 --> 01:04:35.182


Perfect.01:04:35.213 --> 01:04:35.452


Okay.01:04:35.663 --> 01:04:44.063


And, um, uh, you know, we got a, at some point the guitar player, his name's Aaron, he had twins, so he left, kind of take care of the family.01:04:44.063 --> 01:04:47.782


And then Lance Ruby, who plays with a bunch of people, he stepped in.01:04:48.443 --> 01:04:51.682


And so just last night actually Aaron came over and he was playing with us.01:04:51.682 --> 01:04:51.773


Cool.01:04:51.773 --> 01:04:52.822


He's gonna sit on a few songs.01:04:52.972 --> 01:04:53.333


Oh, nice.01:04:53.393 --> 01:04:53.753


It's cool.01:04:53.753 --> 01:04:55.643


It's, it's evolved like tremendously.01:04:55.643 --> 01:05:02.032


And I think when Aaron left it, it was already maybe kind of on this like down slide of doing it for a while.01:05:03.217 --> 01:05:03.367


Yeah.01:05:03.367 --> 01:05:04.057


What's new?01:05:04.057 --> 01:05:04.523


What's jazz?01:05:04.523 --> 01:05:04.693


What's new?01:05:04.693 --> 01:05:04.807


Yeah.01:05:04.807 --> 01:05:05.648


It's of Lost Bit01:05:05.648 --> 01:05:06.097


Energy.01:05:06.188 --> 01:05:06.398


Yeah.01:05:06.458 --> 01:05:10.717


And then Lance comes around and he's just like a ball of energy with Musically, and he, he's got so many ideas.01:05:10.898 --> 01:05:11.228


Gotcha.01:05:11.228 --> 01:05:13.237


And instantly he came in and he is like, I think we should try this.01:05:13.237 --> 01:05:20.557


And like, it's kind of come back up in a way where it's been really fun to just, um, reinvent some of those old tunes and Yeah.01:05:20.588 --> 01:05:22.867


Write, we've written two albums with Lance that have been Oh wow.01:05:22.987 --> 01:05:23.378


Been,01:05:23.588 --> 01:05:24.458


you know, great.01:05:24.487 --> 01:05:24.938


Very cool.01:05:25.027 --> 01:05:26.257


And tell me about Ruby Stew.01:05:26.467 --> 01:05:30.967


I assume that's Lance Ruby and you, or the names kind of a little bit, but yeah.01:05:31.027 --> 01:05:34.958


So now Ruby's kind of this fresh energy that's pulling people together.01:05:34.958 --> 01:05:36.518


Is that a durable concept or?01:05:36.518 --> 01:05:37.097


We'll see, yeah.01:05:37.103 --> 01:05:37.322


No.01:05:37.807 --> 01:05:37.907


Yeah, it's,01:05:37.987 --> 01:05:38.918


we've been having a lot of fun.01:05:38.918 --> 01:05:39.398


It, um.01:05:39.967 --> 01:05:54.518


Yeah, again, everything's like a roller coaster music, but as group weed, when Lance joined, it kind of went back up for many years and then I wouldn't say it's come down, but it's, we've all just become busier and getting that group together has become very hard.01:05:54.518 --> 01:05:55.387


Um, yeah, big group.01:05:55.387 --> 01:05:55.867


Like that.01:05:55.987 --> 01:06:00.518


Big group and, and just, um, so there's not as much happening there right now.01:06:00.518 --> 01:06:09.248


So in the meantime, while that's not actively doing a lot, um, Lance and I were just chatting one day about like, Hey, you know, like I had some ideas.01:06:09.248 --> 01:06:10.088


He had some ideas.01:06:10.268 --> 01:06:10.327


Yeah.01:06:10.447 --> 01:06:11.318


I was like, this would be really fun.01:06:11.318 --> 01:06:12.938


Just, just to play.01:06:13.387 --> 01:06:14.648


Really awesome.01:06:14.918 --> 01:06:16.898


More traditional blues.01:06:16.927 --> 01:06:17.168


Cool.01:06:17.168 --> 01:06:21.878


And not like full on like boring, like, you know, d uh, sweet Home Chicago or something, you know?01:06:22.237 --> 01:06:27.398


But, but in that vein of like, just a little bit more like just Well done.01:06:27.487 --> 01:06:27.757


Yeah.01:06:27.757 --> 01:06:28.418


Simple.01:06:28.807 --> 01:06:33.128


And, uh, Dana, who plays in Dead Floyd, uh, said you went into this idea, right?01:06:33.128 --> 01:06:34.447


He's also a great singer.01:06:34.717 --> 01:06:35.648


He said, I love it.01:06:35.737 --> 01:06:39.157


And then Chris, who plays with, uh, tumble Dun Shaq, which is another dead thing.01:06:39.188 --> 01:06:39.398


Yep.01:06:39.518 --> 01:06:40.958


He's a great singer and keyboard player.01:06:40.958 --> 01:06:45.458


So it kind of just came together really organically where I was like, Hey, what do you think of this idea?01:06:45.458 --> 01:06:52.358


I was like, could, like I have, this is no slight on the blues bands in the area, but like, I haven't seen a lot of great blues bands in this.01:06:52.358 --> 01:06:53.047


No, not really.01:06:53.047 --> 01:06:53.632


Region Uhuh.01:06:53.708 --> 01:06:58.597


I don't think they're like doing it as, it's just kinda like, again, back to like, well that whole genre isn't01:06:58.597 --> 01:07:02.947


really, hasn't really been a significant thing in the popular music.01:07:03.293 --> 01:07:03.833


Uh, yeah.01:07:04.898 --> 01:07:06.038


It, yeah, it isn't, it's been a little while.01:07:06.038 --> 01:07:07.358


It's been a while and it's tough.01:07:07.447 --> 01:07:10.027


Certainly not popular music, but it, it just is.01:07:10.373 --> 01:07:21.353


It's the same easy thing of the jazz standards or the Grateful Dead standards of like, yeah, you can get paid to be a musician, to show up to a blues bar and play the same 1, 4, 5 chord progression over and over.01:07:21.353 --> 01:07:21.443


Right?01:07:21.443 --> 01:07:24.358


I'm like a million songs and I just wanna shoot myself at the end of that.01:07:24.358 --> 01:07:26.333


And at the end of the night, yeah, the singing can be terrible.01:07:26.333 --> 01:07:31.103


The guitar playing can be terrible, but, but the band can make a little bit of money and have some fun.01:07:31.163 --> 01:07:31.373


Yeah.01:07:31.373 --> 01:07:32.302


And there's nothing wrong with that.01:07:32.963 --> 01:07:46.132


I've never seen too many, I shouldn't say never, but I've, I've rarely seen too many great blues bands in this region who just crush it and on all those fronts, like really simple things, great vocals, harmonies, and great guitar.01:07:46.342 --> 01:07:46.733


Yeah, probably.01:07:46.733 --> 01:07:47.963


And that's kinda what we were trying to do.01:07:48.052 --> 01:07:48.563


Oberman.01:07:49.253 --> 01:07:52.402


Uh, I dunno, uh, what the heck is his, uh.01:07:52.972 --> 01:07:53.663


Band's name.01:07:53.663 --> 01:07:55.523


He's a former dentist in town.01:07:55.552 --> 01:08:01.748


Uh, anyway, they've got a pretty big bluesy kind of thing and he's been put part of the Greeley Blues Festival thing and stuff.01:08:02.092 --> 01:08:02.333


Yeah.01:08:02.333 --> 01:08:04.672


And I, and I, again, I'm not like explaining anything, but probably the most known.01:08:04.793 --> 01:08:05.003


Yeah.01:08:05.003 --> 01:08:09.713


But it's also like one of those really big band concepts where you gotta pull together eight people kind of thing.01:08:09.713 --> 01:08:09.952


Yeah.01:08:09.952 --> 01:08:10.268


A horn stuff.01:08:10.733 --> 01:08:11.902


Yeah, a bunch of stuff like that.01:08:12.172 --> 01:08:14.213


I'm reflecting, remembering actually.01:08:14.483 --> 01:08:23.332


So a year after I moved to Fort Collins, I moved up to Horsetooth for, and lived in a studio apartment up there just half a mile away from the, the tavern.01:08:23.422 --> 01:08:24.262


Mm-hmm.01:08:24.502 --> 01:08:31.672


And in that year, at least a half dozen times, I got invited to house parties with like blues bands and stuff.01:08:31.672 --> 01:08:39.502


And I've sung like improvisational lyrics with a blues background kind of thing and just kind of made it up as I went.01:08:39.502 --> 01:08:40.912


And you know, over the years I've.01:08:41.587 --> 01:08:44.287


Sung a thousand songs that went down the shower drain.01:08:44.302 --> 01:08:45.068


Yeah, yeah.01:08:45.158 --> 01:08:56.858


And never wrote down any of'em, kind of, but just kind of get that tune in my head and, and so I think that there's an opportunity potentially to have kind of some of that improv influence from Dead Floyd, but with a Blues driven Yeah.01:08:57.037 --> 01:08:57.877


Core that.01:08:58.198 --> 01:08:59.757


Is suitable because yeah.01:08:59.938 --> 01:09:03.898


Near the heart of Blues is kind of that on the street corner, just singing about my life.01:09:03.927 --> 01:09:04.018


Right?01:09:04.018 --> 01:09:04.677


Yeah.01:09:04.677 --> 01:09:04.688


Yeah.01:09:04.688 --> 01:09:04.978


I mean,01:09:04.978 --> 01:09:06.597


singing something bad to make you feel good.01:09:06.898 --> 01:09:07.078


Right.01:09:07.318 --> 01:09:09.177


And, um, I, I think so.01:09:09.177 --> 01:09:15.207


I just think, you know, and again, it's not a slight on any of the blues bands in this area, it's just I haven't personally, and I've not seen them all either.01:09:15.268 --> 01:09:15.507


Sure.01:09:15.507 --> 01:09:17.847


But I personally have not seen a lot of great ones.01:09:18.148 --> 01:09:24.627


And, uh, I just thought with that particular collection of people, like, wow, we could do just the blues really well.01:09:24.627 --> 01:09:27.448


But already it's, it's, we played three shows.01:09:27.927 --> 01:09:29.547


We sold out Vos on our first show.01:09:29.547 --> 01:09:29.637


Nice.01:09:29.637 --> 01:09:30.177


That was great.01:09:30.177 --> 01:09:31.347


You know, or our third show I guess.01:09:31.347 --> 01:09:37.408


But, um, uh, you know, there's a, there's a little bit of an interest in demand there, I guess, and people are like, what is it?01:09:37.497 --> 01:09:37.797


Yeah.01:09:37.858 --> 01:09:44.398


But we've done mostly covers at this point, and it's been a lot of, like, it's, it's branched outside of just traditional blues.01:09:44.398 --> 01:09:44.488


Right.01:09:44.488 --> 01:09:45.927


We've gotten into some soul and stuff.01:09:45.927 --> 01:09:46.542


Put some flavor in it.01:09:47.002 --> 01:09:50.842


Still pretty bluesy base of like, how many different ways can we spin the blues?01:09:50.993 --> 01:09:51.262


Yeah.01:09:51.323 --> 01:09:56.273


And just, uh, what was it last week or the week before we got together and we're like, we're writing some original songs and cool.01:09:56.302 --> 01:09:58.252


Very like cool spins on the blues.01:09:58.792 --> 01:10:05.092


So probably within the next, I don't know, year or so, we will put out some, put an album together and Spotify can make all the money.01:10:05.153 --> 01:10:05.783


You gotta print some01:10:05.783 --> 01:10:06.382


CDs?01:10:06.712 --> 01:10:06.893


Yeah,01:10:07.432 --> 01:10:08.962


we won't print anything'cause I won't even buy.01:10:09.382 --> 01:10:11.993


But I, I love how it sounded, I was listening today actually.01:10:11.993 --> 01:10:14.122


Just'cause I, we, we, it's just phone recordings.01:10:14.122 --> 01:10:16.403


Can I find it on, uh, Spotify or anything yet?01:10:16.432 --> 01:10:18.082


No, these are like idea recordings.01:10:18.113 --> 01:10:18.382


Fair enough.01:10:18.412 --> 01:10:18.653


So01:10:18.832 --> 01:10:20.813


someone puts their phone in the middle of the room, right?01:10:20.813 --> 01:10:21.832


Yeah, it captures it.01:10:22.132 --> 01:10:24.533


But like, you know, it's, well that it's easier01:10:24.533 --> 01:10:25.823


to relocate it again, right?01:10:25.882 --> 01:10:26.363


Oh yeah.01:10:26.393 --> 01:10:27.712


'cause we're not getting together all that often.01:10:27.712 --> 01:10:27.953


Right.01:10:27.953 --> 01:10:28.882


You know, every once in a while.01:10:28.912 --> 01:10:30.622


But it's, these are great ideas that come01:10:30.622 --> 01:10:30.802


together.01:10:30.802 --> 01:10:32.453


I want to call a short break.01:10:32.632 --> 01:10:33.172


Um, yeah.01:10:33.203 --> 01:10:41.752


Mostly because I wanna pee, but when we come back we will, um, go back to Little Stew in Ohio and find out where you found that love for music and Okay.01:10:41.903 --> 01:10:44.422


Distaste for the institutional.01:10:45.342 --> 01:10:45.672


Yeah.01:10:46.063 --> 01:10:46.932


Sticking it to the man.01:10:46.993 --> 01:10:47.353


Yeah.01:10:47.412 --> 01:10:48.103


Yeah, exactly.01:10:48.162 --> 01:10:48.613


Sounds good.01:10:48.882 --> 01:10:49.153


Alright.01:11:39.274 --> 01:11:40.173


And we are back.01:11:41.314 --> 01:11:41.854


Um.01:11:42.929 --> 01:11:45.719


We said when we left that we were going to jump in the time machine.01:11:46.349 --> 01:11:46.708


Yeah.01:11:46.708 --> 01:11:47.759


Let, let's And uh,01:11:47.759 --> 01:11:48.748


to Ohio.01:11:48.958 --> 01:11:49.078


Mm-hmm.01:11:49.349 --> 01:11:52.259


I've actually got some Ohio people from Fort Collins in my world.01:11:52.259 --> 01:11:56.548


Do you know Russ or Ned or Andrea Lucas?01:11:56.548 --> 01:11:58.229


I think she was from Columbus actually.01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.569


Um, Russ is in, uh, choice City.01:12:00.628 --> 01:12:00.868


Yeah.01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:01.288


Yeah.01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.359


I mean I know Russ through that from after here.01:12:03.389 --> 01:12:03.658


Yeah.01:12:04.259 --> 01:12:07.408


I think he's, I figured living back, he moved back there like six months ago now.01:12:07.408 --> 01:12:07.559


Yeah.01:12:07.559 --> 01:12:08.759


They sold their place on the lake.01:12:09.179 --> 01:12:09.359


Yeah.01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:16.708


I'm not that, never been that close with him, but I knew that about him'cause when I went into Choice City, they would have type of potato chips that I thought only existed in Ohio.01:12:16.859 --> 01:12:17.189


Right.01:12:17.219 --> 01:12:19.109


And that's the only other place I've ever seen him.01:12:19.139 --> 01:12:19.408


Yeah.01:12:19.708 --> 01:12:22.769


And uh, so I was asking like, where, how did you know about01:12:22.769 --> 01:12:22.859


this?01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:28.618


When I first moved here, I fell in, I didn't know anybody'cause I was sight unseen, so I fell in with, it was kind of a Wyoming group.01:12:28.623 --> 01:12:28.734


Mm-hmm.01:12:28.814 --> 01:12:29.668


An Ohio group.01:12:29.729 --> 01:12:29.969


Yeah.01:12:29.969 --> 01:12:30.328


Nice.01:12:30.448 --> 01:12:31.439


And, uh, you know.01:12:31.498 --> 01:12:32.128


Yeah.01:12:32.219 --> 01:12:34.139


Um, there's a lot of Ohioans out here.01:12:34.139 --> 01:12:35.069


There are, yeah.01:12:35.493 --> 01:12:35.613


I,01:12:35.878 --> 01:12:39.328


I, well if Ari especially,'cause that's when Ohio was really becoming the rust belt.01:12:39.929 --> 01:12:40.769


Kind of, yeah.01:12:40.859 --> 01:12:42.479


And opportunities were scarcer.01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:43.333


Yeah, I think so.01:12:43.333 --> 01:12:45.389


It's, it's improved since then, I think economically.01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:48.658


Well, and like rusts and a lot of people I know grew up in more rural areas.01:12:48.658 --> 01:12:52.708


I grew up in Columbus, which is a, you know, the largest city in colo in, in, uh, Ohio.01:12:52.708 --> 01:12:57.389


And it's not that far from, uh, uh, Denver, you know, like Right.01:12:57.418 --> 01:12:58.274


In terms of population.01:12:58.274 --> 01:12:59.014


So it's a huge city.01:12:59.069 --> 01:12:59.668


It's got everything.01:12:59.673 --> 01:12:59.854


Yeah.01:12:59.859 --> 01:13:00.059


Yeah.01:13:00.059 --> 01:13:00.868


It's got everything.01:13:00.929 --> 01:13:03.809


Um, major sports, major entertainment, major, everything.01:13:04.469 --> 01:13:05.338


Um, and what was your01:13:05.338 --> 01:13:06.088


scene like?01:13:06.088 --> 01:13:08.578


Were you part small family, big family?01:13:08.668 --> 01:13:10.288


Was your dad college professor?01:13:11.038 --> 01:13:17.819


No, um, uh, my, my dad is an entrepreneur, well, he's a very good small business owner.01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:20.038


He started a, a franchise.01:13:20.849 --> 01:13:22.828


Um, he met my mom in Boston.01:13:22.828 --> 01:13:28.679


He was working as a salesman for a, a, uh, I forget what it was like, like not a chemical company.01:13:28.679 --> 01:13:32.189


It was, I was maybe like, kind of like dow, you know, like, okay, make products, whatever.01:13:32.908 --> 01:13:34.319


And anyway, they met there.01:13:34.378 --> 01:13:38.248


And then my grandfather, which is my mom's dad.01:13:38.878 --> 01:13:46.048


Introduced him to this guy outta Philly who was starting a franchise for a, a business that he had started.01:13:46.048 --> 01:13:47.458


And it's called Multi Flow.01:13:48.029 --> 01:13:48.208


Okay.01:13:48.208 --> 01:13:51.779


And multi flow is basically all the equipment you've seen behind the bars.01:13:52.229 --> 01:13:52.288


Oh.01:13:52.288 --> 01:13:55.979


So he had the little zapper, the guns for the soda water and the Coke01:13:56.338 --> 01:13:59.488


Squirt Pepsi lemonade, and then everything, you know, orange juice.01:13:59.519 --> 01:13:59.878


Yeah.01:13:59.939 --> 01:14:01.019


And like you could get anything on it.01:14:01.109 --> 01:14:01.408


Yeah.01:14:01.408 --> 01:14:05.878


And the gun and the ice bin and the way the probably rack the zero two powering units and stuff.01:14:05.908 --> 01:14:06.208


Yeah.01:14:06.238 --> 01:14:07.588


Everything that has to go behind the bar.01:14:07.618 --> 01:14:07.918


Okay.01:14:08.309 --> 01:14:16.048


Uh, it was for multi flow and so this guy was franchising it out and my mom's dad, my grandfather introduced him and they said, so it's01:14:16.048 --> 01:14:17.429


actually a pretty interesting franchise.01:14:17.429 --> 01:14:22.889


Like we think about restaurants and plumbing business and stuff, but in that case, like I've got everything.01:14:22.889 --> 01:14:26.908


Your customer, your Wouldbe customers need to have a much better bar setup experience.01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:27.208


Yeah.01:14:27.269 --> 01:14:33.809


And you know, similar to, you know, what I am to the community colleges or universities, you know, it's a.01:14:34.154 --> 01:14:35.264


It's a third party alternative.01:14:35.264 --> 01:14:36.073


So you deliver the goods?01:14:36.104 --> 01:14:36.554


Yeah.01:14:36.974 --> 01:14:37.814


You can go to Coke.01:14:37.844 --> 01:14:38.623


You can go to Pepsi.01:14:38.654 --> 01:14:38.894


Right.01:14:38.923 --> 01:14:40.844


It's gonna be bigger scales.01:14:40.844 --> 01:14:47.953


So get to buy more and it's gonna be, um, you know, more options of whatever they sell, but it's, uh, cheaper in that regard.01:14:48.163 --> 01:14:48.224


Yeah.01:14:48.224 --> 01:14:50.774


But you also don't get like someone to come help you have a problem.01:14:50.774 --> 01:14:52.394


And, you know, customer service, same thing.01:14:53.054 --> 01:14:57.014


And so multi flow is this third party alternative where they have all of the same products.01:14:57.014 --> 01:14:58.094


You can buy Coke through them.01:14:58.094 --> 01:15:00.854


You can buy Pepsi through them, but then they would have multi flow cola.01:15:01.333 --> 01:15:04.993


So if you're a, a shitty college bar like Trailhead here.01:15:04.993 --> 01:15:05.894


Right, right, right.01:15:05.894 --> 01:15:07.649


I mean, I like Trailhead, but you know, it's whatever college bar.01:15:07.649 --> 01:15:07.809


Yeah.01:15:07.809 --> 01:15:07.969


We don't01:15:08.113 --> 01:15:09.163


have Coke or Pepsi.01:15:09.554 --> 01:15:10.154


We've got Cola.01:15:10.154 --> 01:15:10.394


We've got01:15:10.394 --> 01:15:10.904


Cola.01:15:10.963 --> 01:15:11.173


Yeah.01:15:11.444 --> 01:15:12.463


That's what they sell.01:15:12.493 --> 01:15:12.793


Yeah.01:15:12.884 --> 01:15:15.283


And so if you go order a rum and coke, do you really give a shit?01:15:15.283 --> 01:15:16.663


If it's Coca-Cola?01:15:16.694 --> 01:15:17.293


No, not really.01:15:17.323 --> 01:15:18.463


Most people can never tell the difference.01:15:18.493 --> 01:15:18.734


Right.01:15:19.033 --> 01:15:20.894


Um, and whiskey, Coke, whatever.01:15:20.894 --> 01:15:21.884


It's mixed with something.01:15:21.913 --> 01:15:23.564


So that was your, so that's what he did?01:15:23.564 --> 01:15:23.623


Yeah.01:15:23.623 --> 01:15:25.604


So he started, so he moved, they moved from Boston.01:15:25.694 --> 01:15:28.213


Uh, my mom's, uh, whole family's from Cleveland.01:15:28.219 --> 01:15:28.448


Okay.01:15:28.448 --> 01:15:30.583


Uh, so she was in Ohio and anyway.01:15:30.583 --> 01:15:33.344


And so they took the, or started the franchise in Columbus.01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:36.359


And so he grew it up to be really big.01:15:36.389 --> 01:15:39.269


Um, he, you know, he, he was a great salesman.01:15:39.269 --> 01:15:40.529


He still is like such a talker.01:15:40.529 --> 01:15:40.769


So he was01:15:40.769 --> 01:15:43.168


selling other people to buy the franchise?01:15:43.198 --> 01:15:43.559


Uh, no.01:15:43.559 --> 01:15:45.479


To, or or he was just having customers to Yeah.01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:46.588


To get the customers selling bars.01:15:46.649 --> 01:15:46.918


Yeah.01:15:46.918 --> 01:15:48.389


Delivering buy the products.01:15:48.389 --> 01:15:48.809


Co cola.01:15:48.838 --> 01:15:49.109


Yeah.01:15:49.109 --> 01:15:50.038


And the, all the equipment.01:15:50.038 --> 01:15:54.328


And he was, this is, uh, you know, mid eighties ish or Yeah.01:15:54.389 --> 01:15:54.868


Early eighties.01:15:54.868 --> 01:15:58.288


And so he was very much all about just walking into bars.01:15:58.378 --> 01:15:58.798


How you doing?01:15:58.798 --> 01:15:59.368


My name's Jeff.01:15:59.429 --> 01:15:59.698


Yeah.01:15:59.729 --> 01:16:00.658


And try to sell something.01:16:00.779 --> 01:16:00.988


Yeah.01:16:01.048 --> 01:16:03.149


And he was good at it, and he really did a good job with that.01:16:03.149 --> 01:16:03.929


He was a great salesman.01:16:03.929 --> 01:16:05.578


He was a shitty business owner.01:16:05.878 --> 01:16:06.029


Okay.01:16:06.029 --> 01:16:11.009


And if he's ever listens to this, he'll, you know, he'll be mad I said that, but, um, he probably knows it.01:16:11.009 --> 01:16:11.099


Yeah.01:16:11.158 --> 01:16:17.279


He, I think he knew that, but he, he didn't know, like talk about like, you know, from where I sit at least today.01:16:17.908 --> 01:16:23.969


Uh, as a business owner, I put systems in place and the systems are what the business uses to run.01:16:24.029 --> 01:16:24.389


Right?01:16:24.448 --> 01:16:26.038


People come and you work the system.01:16:26.069 --> 01:16:27.059


He was winging it all the time.01:16:27.118 --> 01:16:27.929


He was constantly winging it.01:16:27.929 --> 01:16:29.908


He had zero systems, he knew nothing.01:16:29.908 --> 01:16:31.859


And this is, you know, computers were barely taken off.01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.338


Uh, but even paper systems, which existed forever, right?01:16:35.368 --> 01:16:36.658


He did not do a good job with that.01:16:36.658 --> 01:16:40.798


And so for years he was just getting ripped off'cause it was a very cash business at the time.01:16:41.189 --> 01:16:41.668


And well, and he is01:16:41.668 --> 01:16:48.179


taking phone calls to fix things that he could have just had fixed because they had a brochure that said How to fix this your damn self or whatever.01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.538


So many, so many examples of things that like would've made it a better business.01:16:51.538 --> 01:16:53.338


He would've made more money and been more successful.01:16:53.908 --> 01:16:57.418


But he did really well and he grew it into like a nice sized business.01:16:57.418 --> 01:16:57.479


Yeah.01:16:57.538 --> 01:17:00.448


Um, you have siblings and I have an older sister, yeah.01:17:00.448 --> 01:17:00.479


Okay.01:17:00.538 --> 01:17:07.559


And, uh, she got into more like design, which I kind of follow her a little bit of like being, she's so much better design, but with a lot01:17:07.559 --> 01:17:09.323


more it element of you kind of.01:17:09.328 --> 01:17:10.229


Um, yeah, I was just01:17:10.229 --> 01:17:11.248


more into the computer side.01:17:11.248 --> 01:17:13.198


She was more into like the visual and her.01:17:13.573 --> 01:17:19.064


She, she does, uh, branding and identity for, um, some really large organizations.01:17:19.064 --> 01:17:19.154


Cool.01:17:19.154 --> 01:17:30.854


And agencies outta Chicago, and now she's doing it, um, like independently freelance for the ones she's working on right now is like some, uh, brands of, of, uh, Doritos going overseas.01:17:30.884 --> 01:17:31.274


Oh, okay.01:17:31.514 --> 01:17:33.673


Uh, she's working on soup, right?01:17:33.734 --> 01:17:35.684


Uh, V eight, you know, when the new label01:17:35.684 --> 01:17:38.024


comes out, she's got her fingers on it and sometimes they're like,01:17:38.024 --> 01:17:42.644


test market, so they'll make one and they'll send it to like India or something and like, will anybody buy this weird flavor?01:17:42.673 --> 01:17:43.543


I met a, a guy,01:17:43.543 --> 01:17:46.663


a marketer the other day that, uh, does Indian motorcycles, but.01:17:47.144 --> 01:17:48.344


Only outside of the us.01:17:48.404 --> 01:17:48.734


Yeah.01:17:48.823 --> 01:17:53.684


So he is helping design the br, the branding and the marketing materials for, for the international, for Japan market.01:17:53.684 --> 01:17:53.774


Yeah.01:17:53.774 --> 01:17:55.213


And the Germany market and all that.01:17:55.274 --> 01:17:55.453


Yeah.01:17:55.453 --> 01:17:55.543


And01:17:55.543 --> 01:17:56.234


there's a lot in that.01:17:56.234 --> 01:17:56.984


And so she's, yeah, you01:17:56.984 --> 01:18:00.069


gotta be consistent with the brand, but you also have to be relevant to the place.01:18:00.069 --> 01:18:04.154


And you have to know how to, how to, you know, make that evolutionary kind of change there.01:18:04.154 --> 01:18:06.194


Make sure it's like interesting, similar but different.01:18:06.703 --> 01:18:07.753


And, um, was your mom, uh.01:18:07.798 --> 01:18:08.578


Watch you01:18:08.698 --> 01:18:10.319


kiddos or she do some other stuff too?01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.408


She,01:18:10.408 --> 01:18:12.179


well, she was a preschool teacher.01:18:12.184 --> 01:18:13.798


She, she was a French teacher first.01:18:13.798 --> 01:18:15.929


I think that's where I get a lot of the teacher interesting.01:18:16.408 --> 01:18:17.429


Uh, component from me.01:18:17.488 --> 01:18:17.759


Yeah.01:18:18.238 --> 01:18:28.618


Um, and then she was, um, so she lived in France for a while and then she taught French and she came back here and she was more of a preschool teacher at some point after we had kind of grown up a little bit.01:18:28.618 --> 01:18:28.769


Yeah.01:18:29.038 --> 01:18:31.048


Because I remember gonna preschool with her and doing that.01:18:31.078 --> 01:18:33.179


Um, and, uh.01:18:33.743 --> 01:18:39.923


At some point though, where I was going with that about my dad is he was such a, he was just too trusting, not paying attention.01:18:39.923 --> 01:18:42.533


He had a guy named Gary who was running the front office.01:18:42.623 --> 01:18:44.753


Very long story, but Gary was a piece of shit.01:18:44.783 --> 01:18:46.259


And Gary ripped off Gary.01:18:46.264 --> 01:18:49.764


We would sometimes call him Uncle Gary'cause he would come to all of our, our family events.01:18:49.764 --> 01:18:50.724


He was that close with us.01:18:50.724 --> 01:18:51.083


Right, right.01:18:51.113 --> 01:18:52.283


He was ripping him off like crazy.01:18:52.434 --> 01:18:52.644


Yeah.01:18:52.644 --> 01:18:55.524


And Uncle Gary stole like, you know, in hundreds of thousands.01:18:55.524 --> 01:18:55.884


Six figure.01:18:55.884 --> 01:18:56.333


Yeah.01:18:56.333 --> 01:18:57.474


Like an insane amount for the time.01:18:57.474 --> 01:18:57.684


Yeah.01:18:58.043 --> 01:18:58.404


And only01:18:58.404 --> 01:18:59.274


50,000 a year.01:18:59.274 --> 01:19:00.264


But for 12 years.01:19:00.293 --> 01:19:01.134


Yes, exactly.01:19:01.194 --> 01:19:01.884


That's exactly what it was.01:19:01.884 --> 01:19:01.974


Damn.01:19:02.123 --> 01:19:02.604


And01:19:02.844 --> 01:19:04.163


uh, it was all cash.01:19:04.194 --> 01:19:05.064


Just pushed.01:19:05.064 --> 01:19:05.453


Put a here.01:19:05.453 --> 01:19:05.634


No.01:19:05.634 --> 01:19:05.963


Nah.01:19:06.833 --> 01:19:09.293


And my dad didn't have those systems to know it was bad.01:19:09.323 --> 01:19:14.394


So at some point an accountant, like pointed all this out to him was like, you're missing like a ton of money.01:19:14.423 --> 01:19:14.783


Right.01:19:14.844 --> 01:19:19.493


He started doing all this research figure, according to all these reports, you should have$400,000 in the bank.01:19:19.493 --> 01:19:19.554


Yeah.01:19:19.554 --> 01:19:22.583


But according to this bank statement, you've got 4,000, got nothing.01:19:22.583 --> 01:19:22.823


Yeah.01:19:22.828 --> 01:19:22.939


Yeah.01:19:22.944 --> 01:19:23.243


And01:19:23.634 --> 01:19:24.564


it almost ruined him.01:19:24.623 --> 01:19:24.923


Yeah.01:19:24.929 --> 01:19:25.019


Wow.01:19:25.019 --> 01:19:29.123


And so he ended up, um, you know, he figured out, they got someone to investigate.01:19:29.123 --> 01:19:30.024


They figured out it was Gary.01:19:30.583 --> 01:19:31.484


Gary went to jail.01:19:32.083 --> 01:19:33.793


He got some of the money back, but not a lot.01:19:34.184 --> 01:19:40.634


And then, um, at that time, my mom, we were like, uh, I was like a freshman in high school or something like that.01:19:40.639 --> 01:19:40.798


Okay.01:19:41.054 --> 01:19:45.043


And my mom was doing the preschool thing where she was like, we're not losing the business.01:19:45.043 --> 01:19:45.644


Fuck that.01:19:45.703 --> 01:19:47.833


I'm gonna come work for you and be like operations.01:19:47.894 --> 01:19:48.163


Wow.01:19:48.344 --> 01:19:49.484


And I'm gonna do the new Uncle01:19:49.484 --> 01:19:49.934


Gary.01:19:50.054 --> 01:19:50.384


Yeah.01:19:50.564 --> 01:19:51.613


And we're gonna build some systems.01:19:51.618 --> 01:19:52.559


Finally, Frank, we're gonna build systems.01:19:52.634 --> 01:19:53.293


Or what's your dad's name?01:19:53.323 --> 01:19:53.863


Uh, Jeff.01:19:53.894 --> 01:19:54.283


Jeff.01:19:54.344 --> 01:19:58.213


And so my dad would go out and sell and my mom would work in the office.01:19:58.213 --> 01:19:58.573


So,01:19:58.634 --> 01:19:59.923


and then the business thrived01:19:59.923 --> 01:20:01.604


and, and then the business did really well for a long time.01:20:01.634 --> 01:20:03.764


'cause she was, you know, way more honest.01:20:03.764 --> 01:20:08.743


She's, she's so detail oriented and, uh, she didn't know a lot about accounting and she figured it out.01:20:08.743 --> 01:20:10.399


She didn't know a lot about, you know, processes.01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:11.594


Figure out She's really your example,01:20:11.833 --> 01:20:13.274


uh, in a lot of respects.01:20:13.274 --> 01:20:13.363


Huh?01:20:13.363 --> 01:20:13.394


I01:20:13.394 --> 01:20:13.904


think so.01:20:13.904 --> 01:20:16.993


I think she was just, you know, she's just like one of those people.01:20:16.993 --> 01:20:19.514


If, if she needs to do it, she will figure it out.01:20:19.543 --> 01:20:19.753


Yeah.01:20:19.814 --> 01:20:20.984


And she's always been good like that.01:20:20.984 --> 01:20:21.163


Cool.01:20:21.194 --> 01:20:25.783


Um, so she, she took over and they worked together my whole high school basically.01:20:25.788 --> 01:20:27.703


And, and I saw the good and the bad of that.01:20:27.734 --> 01:20:28.213


And what was01:20:28.213 --> 01:20:29.634


Little Stew, uh, like.01:20:30.404 --> 01:20:31.423


Five-year-olds do.01:20:31.423 --> 01:20:33.373


Were you, uh, sporty?01:20:33.373 --> 01:20:36.014


Were you smart all straight a's kind of thing?01:20:36.283 --> 01:20:42.373


Um, I don't think I was, uh, I didn't excel at any of those areas, but I was like decent at grades.01:20:42.404 --> 01:20:42.463


Yeah.01:20:42.463 --> 01:20:43.394


I'd always had decent grades.01:20:43.844 --> 01:20:44.953


I loved playing sports.01:20:44.953 --> 01:20:48.434


I would never say I was like actually very good at any of them, but I was very into'em.01:20:48.493 --> 01:20:51.554


I would play a lot of, uh, baseball when I was young and then tennis.01:20:51.583 --> 01:20:53.024


'cause my, my dad liked tennis.01:20:53.024 --> 01:20:53.923


I played that with him a lot.01:20:54.434 --> 01:20:57.344


Um, bowling, I got to be like decent at, you know.01:20:57.373 --> 01:20:57.524


Okay.01:20:57.524 --> 01:20:59.354


A couple of these things, but like, what's your high game, high score?01:20:59.474 --> 01:21:01.904


Oh, I was like, somewhere around high high school.01:21:01.904 --> 01:21:03.104


I think I got like a two 50.01:21:03.163 --> 01:21:03.698


I was like the best ever did.01:21:03.698 --> 01:21:04.184


Ooh, dang.01:21:04.243 --> 01:21:04.514


Yeah.01:21:04.543 --> 01:21:04.963


I got a two01:21:04.963 --> 01:21:05.533


1501:21:05.533 --> 01:21:05.984


once.01:21:05.984 --> 01:21:06.073


Yeah.01:21:06.524 --> 01:21:09.493


I never got to 300, but I did really good because I was going like all the time.01:21:09.524 --> 01:21:10.154


Oh, two 50 is01:21:10.154 --> 01:21:10.634


almost good.01:21:10.634 --> 01:21:10.873


'em all.01:21:10.904 --> 01:21:11.264


Yeah.01:21:11.444 --> 01:21:11.684


Right.01:21:11.684 --> 01:21:13.609


Like it only takes missing a few pins, so it's like Yeah.01:21:13.663 --> 01:21:15.283


Like really missed, lose 50 points.01:21:15.283 --> 01:21:15.524


Yeah.01:21:15.583 --> 01:21:17.413


Um, and, uh, cool.01:21:17.474 --> 01:21:20.594


Yeah, so I I kind of a normal existence.01:21:20.594 --> 01:21:22.094


Big, big schools and stuff.01:21:22.094 --> 01:21:22.724


Public school?01:21:22.814 --> 01:21:24.344


Um, no, I went a private school actually.01:21:24.344 --> 01:21:24.554


Okay.01:21:24.644 --> 01:21:25.904


Um, my.01:21:26.429 --> 01:21:29.219


Uh, it was when I was very young, my parents put me in it.01:21:29.219 --> 01:21:30.238


It's not like I had a choice.01:21:30.269 --> 01:21:30.509


Yeah.01:21:30.509 --> 01:21:31.913


Um, and I just stayed into it.01:21:31.913 --> 01:21:35.189


Like a faith oriented school or just for not faith, just kids private school.01:21:35.248 --> 01:21:35.429


Yeah.01:21:35.458 --> 01:21:35.908


Yeah.01:21:35.908 --> 01:21:38.309


Um, and it was called Columbus Academy.01:21:38.309 --> 01:21:41.069


It was just a, uh, independent, yeah, yeah.01:21:41.128 --> 01:21:41.668


Private school.01:21:42.179 --> 01:21:44.908


Um, but, uh, yeah, I don't know.01:21:44.908 --> 01:21:45.929


I did, I did okay.01:21:45.988 --> 01:21:47.759


I did fine and I, I was so small.01:21:47.759 --> 01:21:50.189


It was, I graduated with like 70 people or something.01:21:50.248 --> 01:21:50.519


Okay.01:21:50.524 --> 01:21:50.753


Yeah.01:21:50.814 --> 01:21:52.288


Um, yeah.01:21:52.288 --> 01:21:52.649


And where's the01:21:52.649 --> 01:21:53.248


music hit?01:21:53.248 --> 01:21:54.118


The hit the scene?01:21:54.149 --> 01:21:56.338


Uh, so my grandfather was always a musician.01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:58.003


He's a Your dad or your mom's dad?01:21:58.003 --> 01:21:58.588


Uh, my mom's dad.01:21:58.588 --> 01:21:59.759


Same guy I was talking about before.01:21:59.819 --> 01:22:00.208


Yep.01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:01.649


Um, he's an incredible guy.01:22:01.649 --> 01:22:03.599


He's like a for Gump background of guy.01:22:03.628 --> 01:22:03.899


Okay.01:22:04.649 --> 01:22:06.689


And, uh, he was always an amazing pianist.01:22:06.689 --> 01:22:09.809


And you go to like, his childhood, so he, he lived to be 103.01:22:09.809 --> 01:22:09.838


Oh.01:22:09.958 --> 01:22:11.338


So he's got a crazy amount of stories.01:22:11.338 --> 01:22:11.399


My01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.069


wife's grandmother lived to be 103 as well.01:22:14.099 --> 01:22:14.399


Yeah.01:22:14.458 --> 01:22:14.759


Yeah.01:22:14.849 --> 01:22:16.229


And his, his life.01:22:16.559 --> 01:22:17.819


Experiences are insane.01:22:18.179 --> 01:22:21.509


So when he grew up 1910, I think, yeah.01:22:21.658 --> 01:22:22.349


I'm doing my math.01:22:22.769 --> 01:22:25.019


And then he would lived through all these terrible times.01:22:25.019 --> 01:22:25.319


Sure.01:22:25.378 --> 01:22:26.759


But he was really into playing piano.01:22:26.759 --> 01:22:28.019


So he grew up in Cleveland.01:22:28.019 --> 01:22:31.078


He would go to the, uh, it was very segregated at the time.01:22:31.078 --> 01:22:31.088


Mm-hmm.01:22:31.259 --> 01:22:33.958


And he would go to the black communities to learn from the best people.01:22:34.019 --> 01:22:34.259


Sure.01:22:34.259 --> 01:22:39.533


And he sat down with some of these like incredible musicians at the time and watched them like Oh, right.01:22:39.694 --> 01:22:45.059


A famous guy who was blind and Art Tatum, who's a pianist and Oscar, that's how you do those transitions.01:22:45.238 --> 01:22:45.418


Yeah.01:22:45.418 --> 01:22:48.059


Well, I mean, but so he, he learned from them.01:22:48.059 --> 01:22:50.038


So when I was growing up, he was always playing piano.01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:51.868


So I would sit around and listen to it.01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:53.809


I never got as good as him.01:22:54.088 --> 01:22:57.448


I tried to take some lessons at some point, but, you know, I was appreciated.01:22:57.448 --> 01:22:57.599


Sure.01:22:57.599 --> 01:22:59.399


But my cousin.01:22:59.804 --> 01:23:01.514


In Cleveland, uh, played the drums.01:23:01.663 --> 01:23:02.503


And so, okay.01:23:02.564 --> 01:23:06.463


Uh, I, once I got a taste of that, I was like, that's the coolest thing ever.01:23:06.493 --> 01:23:06.764


Yeah.01:23:06.764 --> 01:23:13.123


So then, um, I got a kit back in my house and cu in Cleveland like two hours away, so we'd always be there, but01:23:13.274 --> 01:23:17.713


I want to, I wanna talk about drums for a second because I actually played the drums a little bit.01:23:17.804 --> 01:23:17.894


Yeah.01:23:17.894 --> 01:23:21.644


Like, until, like I needed to either buy a drum set or quit the band.01:23:21.793 --> 01:23:22.033


Yeah.01:23:22.094 --> 01:23:25.453


Uh,'cause our school didn't have a drum set for the drummer to use kind of thing.01:23:25.904 --> 01:23:28.783


And, but it's a, yeah.01:23:28.783 --> 01:23:29.863


Describe that experience.01:23:29.894 --> 01:23:33.194


'cause it's such an interesting,'cause you're, you got the, you got the, you got the line, right?01:23:33.194 --> 01:23:40.243


Like you're kind of the commander of the vessel in some ways as far as the beat stuff goes and you kind of help to tie the whole thing together.01:23:40.269 --> 01:23:40.814


Yeah, yeah.01:23:40.873 --> 01:23:42.163


But it's sometimes overlooked.01:23:42.884 --> 01:23:43.873


Uh, it should be overlooked.01:23:43.873 --> 01:23:45.073


Usually that's the goal, right?01:23:45.073 --> 01:23:45.373


Well, yeah.01:23:45.373 --> 01:23:48.524


I mean, it's one of those things I think the, the drummer and the bass player.01:23:48.944 --> 01:23:52.394


Are are, if they're rock solid, you don't really notice that they're there.01:23:52.604 --> 01:23:52.783


Right.01:23:52.783 --> 01:23:55.694


So it's like, the best compliment someone can give me is like, I didn't even notice or something.01:23:56.234 --> 01:23:56.474


Right.01:23:56.474 --> 01:24:00.373


But like, it's just'cause you're keeping time really well and you're being like in the groove.01:24:00.703 --> 01:24:04.844


Um, it, you know, it's, to me it's like, what do you love about it?01:24:04.873 --> 01:24:05.323


Um, yeah.01:24:05.323 --> 01:24:15.314


It's like the most, um, primal connection to like, making music of like, anybody can do it anywhere at any time.01:24:15.554 --> 01:24:15.734


Yeah.01:24:15.734 --> 01:24:15.743


Yeah.01:24:16.243 --> 01:24:19.033


And it's been going on for, you know, since the beginning of man, but like.01:24:19.604 --> 01:24:31.423


Um, it gives you an incredible amount of power to make people move and know that, uh, the simplest thing I can, I can make you move this way and if I do something else, I can make you move that way.01:24:31.429 --> 01:24:31.469


Yeah.01:24:31.469 --> 01:24:33.974


You know, like, like in a, in a broad way of saying that.01:24:34.394 --> 01:24:38.413


But, um, I bet you've been a part of a few drum circles over time.01:24:38.413 --> 01:24:38.444


Uh,01:24:38.594 --> 01:24:39.253


drum circles.01:24:39.253 --> 01:24:39.823


Yeah, sure.01:24:39.854 --> 01:24:40.484


That's an interesting01:24:40.484 --> 01:24:41.474


experience as well, right?01:24:41.503 --> 01:24:41.623


Yeah.01:24:41.623 --> 01:24:47.293


Because that one out of six people or whatever can kind of change the tone and it moves from there.01:24:47.293 --> 01:24:48.703


I always, and it becomes this organic Yeah.01:24:48.764 --> 01:24:50.444


Improvisational01:24:50.713 --> 01:24:51.014


thing.01:24:51.014 --> 01:24:51.253


Yeah.01:24:51.314 --> 01:24:52.634


And I always loved being the guy.01:24:52.814 --> 01:24:57.854


I would, if I came to a drum circle, I would sometimes have a conga or whatever, but then I would, I would always have other percussions.01:24:57.859 --> 01:24:59.684


'cause I was kind of into drums at a young age.01:24:59.923 --> 01:25:04.304


So I remember always bringing like a, a, a, a, uh, cowbell or a wood block or something.01:25:04.309 --> 01:25:04.429


Yeah.01:25:04.588 --> 01:25:04.668


'cause.01:25:05.413 --> 01:25:07.274


Talk about being effect to the change.01:25:07.304 --> 01:25:12.944


Like, because everyone's playing the same ba ba and then you like have this really high pitch thing and everyone's like, oh, what's that?01:25:12.944 --> 01:25:14.923


And they, everyone can hear it and they like, follow you.01:25:15.224 --> 01:25:17.144


And I always just liked that, you know?01:25:17.144 --> 01:25:17.923


And I enjoyed really cool.01:25:17.923 --> 01:25:19.423


The power it kind of gave you Yeah.01:25:19.573 --> 01:25:29.113


Um, dig it and, and so yeah, drumming has always just been really, um, natural, but at the same time, like I, I probably wouldn't have gotten into it if I didn't have an awesome music teacher.01:25:29.113 --> 01:25:29.173


Yeah.01:25:29.203 --> 01:25:31.363


'cause she kinda like gave me the school's kit at the time.01:25:31.484 --> 01:25:31.694


Okay.01:25:31.694 --> 01:25:33.194


She was like, if you wanna go learn, go learn.01:25:33.194 --> 01:25:33.764


She, and do you01:25:34.333 --> 01:25:36.253


share in songwriting vocals?01:25:36.253 --> 01:25:37.634


I think you sing along sometimes.01:25:37.634 --> 01:25:38.203


If I remember.01:25:38.203 --> 01:25:38.833


Not too much.01:25:38.833 --> 01:25:38.854


Not much.01:25:38.854 --> 01:25:38.899


No.01:25:38.904 --> 01:25:39.493


Not singing.01:25:39.524 --> 01:25:40.094


Um,01:25:40.154 --> 01:25:46.484


yeah, I mostly my contributions to the grip weed would be like the, um, just, just ideas, musical ideas.01:25:46.484 --> 01:25:47.323


I think, you know.01:25:48.083 --> 01:25:52.493


Have a good enough ear on some of what we're playing and listening to that I can contribute Yeah.01:25:52.524 --> 01:25:53.033


Quite a bit.01:25:53.753 --> 01:25:56.934


Um, I don't have as much theory or, you know, that kind of melodic knowledge.01:25:56.934 --> 01:26:02.003


You're not a music major in college necessarily, but you classes, but I, I sit down and play again, back to like piano.01:26:02.003 --> 01:26:02.963


I can play the piano.01:26:02.993 --> 01:26:04.854


I know all my chords, you know, you know.01:26:05.573 --> 01:26:05.724


Yeah.01:26:05.724 --> 01:26:13.493


You know, most of my chords, all my, and, and, uh, I can kind of hang, if you put like a bunch of chord, put a chord sheet in front of me, like I could probably play it.01:26:13.524 --> 01:26:13.793


Yeah.01:26:13.823 --> 01:26:14.394


Slowly.01:26:14.844 --> 01:26:17.663


Um, and I used to be better and now I'm, you know, I don't do it as much.01:26:17.663 --> 01:26:18.064


Right, right.01:26:18.064 --> 01:26:22.524


But, but I understand it and, and so I can contribute that when we get together now.01:26:22.524 --> 01:26:28.373


And with Ruby Stew, I had like, I've had a few lyrical ideas that I threw out and I think they liked them hopefully.01:26:28.373 --> 01:26:29.634


And so that's been fun.01:26:29.634 --> 01:26:29.993


Might hear about01:26:29.993 --> 01:26:31.014


that first album when it comes.01:26:31.014 --> 01:26:31.404


Yeah.01:26:31.434 --> 01:26:36.573


And so, but normally in every band I've ever been a part of, it's very collaborative and yeah.01:26:37.229 --> 01:26:39.389


Um, there's never even the with grip.01:26:39.389 --> 01:26:41.908


We, like Jason pretty much does write all the lyrics.01:26:42.269 --> 01:26:46.439


Sometimes we'll give him little notes, but like he's writing all that, but he's not writing, he's flowing with01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:47.578


ideas about lyrics anyway,01:26:47.578 --> 01:26:49.319


lyrically, but he's not really writing it.01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:51.779


Music, uh, instrumentally, right?01:26:51.779 --> 01:26:52.828


I mean, he did earlier on.01:26:52.828 --> 01:26:53.548


He doesn't as much now.01:26:53.578 --> 01:26:53.939


Right.01:26:54.059 --> 01:26:55.469


Um, so it's the band kind of coming up.01:26:55.469 --> 01:26:55.708


The band.01:26:55.708 --> 01:26:59.219


What if we come in with a lead in like this or, and like, here's the main riff.01:26:59.219 --> 01:27:00.059


Here's like the groove.01:27:00.059 --> 01:27:01.559


Here's the, the structure.01:27:01.559 --> 01:27:05.729


And then give him a couple days and he'll come back and be like, all right, here's like my idea for words and Oh, really?01:27:05.729 --> 01:27:06.179


So you bring01:27:06.179 --> 01:27:09.088


the music first a lot of times and then put some words onto, or both ways?01:27:09.094 --> 01:27:09.213


Almost.01:27:09.219 --> 01:27:10.168


Almost university.01:27:10.168 --> 01:27:10.288


Yeah.01:27:10.288 --> 01:27:11.128


The music comes first.01:27:11.128 --> 01:27:11.458


Really?01:27:11.458 --> 01:27:11.698


Yeah.01:27:11.729 --> 01:27:12.149


Interesting.01:27:12.238 --> 01:27:13.618


And for that band, because when I01:27:13.618 --> 01:27:17.189


write my blog, I always come up with the title first and then I fill in the rest later.01:27:17.189 --> 01:27:20.939


And in some ways, I guess that's similar, like, here's the music and put some words in there.01:27:20.998 --> 01:27:26.338


Well, yeah, I think it works well if you come up with a melody and you kind of can comment along and then you know, like what you're totally dealing with,01:27:26.639 --> 01:27:26.998


if you're good.01:27:27.029 --> 01:27:31.139


Those shower songs I was talking about, it's usually because I'm humming some kind of a.01:27:32.724 --> 01:27:33.809


A, a tune Yeah.01:27:33.838 --> 01:27:34.918


First that I put together.01:27:34.918 --> 01:27:35.009


Yeah.01:27:35.009 --> 01:27:38.399


And so I'm putting the, the words to the song that's already running in my head.01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:38.639


Yeah.01:27:38.639 --> 01:27:40.588


And then you're just branching off and forth your own thing.01:27:40.588 --> 01:27:41.009


Interesting.01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:42.748


And I think, you know, um.01:27:43.349 --> 01:27:46.859


Melody is, well, if you're a really good singer songwriter, you can do both, right?01:27:46.859 --> 01:27:51.719


You can play the acoustic guitar, play the piano, and you can sing and like the idea kind of goes with it.01:27:51.719 --> 01:28:01.019


But most people I know fit into one of those two camps that like if you just write a cool melody on your guitar or you, or your piano and you're like, this is just sounds interesting and fun.01:28:01.109 --> 01:28:01.378


Yeah.01:28:01.408 --> 01:28:03.088


Now what does that sound like to me?01:28:03.088 --> 01:28:04.168


Like, what does that make me feel?01:28:04.168 --> 01:28:04.948


Or what does that like?01:28:05.038 --> 01:28:05.368


Yeah.01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.043


How did I, well, what I want that to be about.01:28:07.043 --> 01:28:07.163


Yeah.01:28:07.163 --> 01:28:07.559


It was the emotions around01:28:07.649 --> 01:28:08.069


this.01:28:08.069 --> 01:28:10.679


Is it a angry bluesy song?01:28:10.679 --> 01:28:10.738


Yeah.01:28:10.738 --> 01:28:11.759


Is it a love song?01:28:11.759 --> 01:28:11.939


Yeah.01:28:11.939 --> 01:28:13.109


Is it a monster ballad?01:28:13.259 --> 01:28:13.529


Yeah.01:28:13.588 --> 01:28:13.798


Okay.01:28:13.798 --> 01:28:15.269


Now we need some words that fit that team and, and now01:28:15.269 --> 01:28:16.918


we come up with words that kind of go with it.01:28:16.918 --> 01:28:19.918


So, um, that's how it's always worked for stuff I've been in.01:28:20.009 --> 01:28:21.238


I did that and that was cool too.01:28:21.269 --> 01:28:29.279


'cause, because one of the Ruby's two things was an idea of, it was, it was Lance and, and Dana had come up with this cool thing and so recorded on a phone.01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:34.229


This was months ago or something, and then I had just been like, it'd been like bouncing around in my head.01:28:34.229 --> 01:28:35.578


I was like, and I had this other thing.01:28:36.014 --> 01:28:38.059


When Graham, my son was really young.01:28:38.354 --> 01:28:38.623


Yeah.01:28:38.684 --> 01:28:48.014


I had a lot more time of being with him, like just holding him in the middle of, you know, 3:00 AM And so I would sometimes just like say something on my phone like, oh, that's a cool idea, kind of shower song.01:28:48.014 --> 01:28:50.203


But, you know, 3:00 AM delirious song.01:28:50.208 --> 01:28:50.298


Yeah.01:28:50.444 --> 01:28:50.623


Yeah.01:28:50.774 --> 01:28:53.384


And I had just read all this stuff out and all the cool ideas.01:28:53.384 --> 01:28:53.474


Cool.01:28:53.474 --> 01:28:57.974


So, um, uh, so yeah, anyway, one of'em kind of fit that and I kept like hearing it.01:28:58.033 --> 01:29:00.404


I just, it just, the structure of it fit.01:29:00.434 --> 01:29:00.974


So, so do you01:29:00.974 --> 01:29:01.963


have, uh, like.01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.908


Writing poetry or things like that in your background at all to Um, I've certainly done that.01:29:06.908 --> 01:29:06.969


Yeah.01:29:06.998 --> 01:29:08.109


Dabbled, but Yeah.01:29:08.109 --> 01:29:08.288


But01:29:08.288 --> 01:29:10.298


not like, you know, for anyone else to read.01:29:10.298 --> 01:29:11.588


Just love poems for your wife Yeah.01:29:11.588 --> 01:29:12.609


When you first met her kinda stuff.01:29:13.628 --> 01:29:13.698


Yeah, exactly.01:29:13.698 --> 01:29:14.828


Let's, uh, can we talk about her?01:29:14.979 --> 01:29:15.279


Sure.01:29:15.338 --> 01:29:16.538


Where'd you, where'd you find her?01:29:16.599 --> 01:29:17.378


Uh, and when,01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:27.819


um, we met in Denver through, um, I was living in, so I lived here for a while, got kind of burnt out being here and just felt like I needed to, especially with like the dating scene at the time.01:29:27.819 --> 01:29:32.529


I, I was, you know, dated on and off, but never really had found the person.01:29:32.588 --> 01:29:32.828


Yeah.01:29:33.248 --> 01:29:37.219


So I moved to and sme, this is when, um, this is this.01:29:37.889 --> 01:29:40.048


Uh, uh, 17.01:29:40.048 --> 01:29:40.649


2017.01:29:40.649 --> 01:29:40.798


Okay.01:29:40.798 --> 01:29:41.338


Something like that.01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:42.958


Oh, I didn't realize you had moved away for a while.01:29:42.958 --> 01:29:43.048


Yeah,01:29:43.139 --> 01:29:44.038


I guess I did actually.01:29:44.038 --> 01:29:45.029


I think I did know that.01:29:45.059 --> 01:29:46.859


But like everything I was doing was here.01:29:46.918 --> 01:29:47.158


Yeah.01:29:47.158 --> 01:29:49.469


The bands, I was in the digital workshop.01:29:50.368 --> 01:29:54.238


I, I just went on a different social life to see like, what would Denver be like?01:29:54.238 --> 01:29:56.609


And, and I kind of missed the big city of like, Columbus.01:29:56.729 --> 01:29:56.969


Yeah.01:29:57.484 --> 01:29:57.604


Interesting.01:29:57.604 --> 01:29:59.668


Um, the access to better restaurants and culture.01:29:59.668 --> 01:30:01.243


So you were commuting up to Fort Collins every day?01:30:01.344 --> 01:30:02.043


Denver, I was commuting.01:30:02.043 --> 01:30:02.759


Not every day, but a lot.01:30:02.788 --> 01:30:03.149


A lot.01:30:03.149 --> 01:30:03.628


A lot.01:30:03.634 --> 01:30:04.283


It was interesting.01:30:04.283 --> 01:30:07.134


It was, um, it was right before remote work was really right.01:30:07.288 --> 01:30:11.368


Like it would've worked a lot better if I had had that structure set up.01:30:11.368 --> 01:30:11.458


Right.01:30:11.519 --> 01:30:13.408


Like, I would probably not have left, to be honest.01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:13.679


Yeah.01:30:13.889 --> 01:30:15.779


Because I could, I didn't need to be here as much.01:30:15.809 --> 01:30:15.988


Yeah.01:30:16.109 --> 01:30:18.509


And we were doing all in person classes, all that stuff.01:30:18.509 --> 01:30:21.448


And so we were right in this, like, transitional time to get into online classes.01:30:22.139 --> 01:30:24.359


Um, but if the timing would've been different, I probably never would've left.01:30:25.259 --> 01:30:25.439


Yeah.01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:30.538


Um, and uh, so I met Laura and then, and, and we met through, um, um.01:30:31.094 --> 01:30:31.694


Uh, what is it called?01:30:31.694 --> 01:30:33.944


Bumble, you know, it was like the dating app in Denver.01:30:34.003 --> 01:30:34.213


Yeah.01:30:34.213 --> 01:30:36.163


Like the one that lets girls choose kind of thing.01:30:36.163 --> 01:30:36.373


Yeah.01:30:36.434 --> 01:30:37.783


Which is basically all of dating.01:30:37.844 --> 01:30:38.923


Yeah, right, exactly.01:30:38.923 --> 01:30:39.913


Just formalizing the girl's.01:30:39.913 --> 01:30:40.783


Always a decider.01:30:40.783 --> 01:30:40.934


Yeah.01:30:40.934 --> 01:30:42.434


I mean, guys are creeps, let's be honest, most of us.01:30:43.243 --> 01:30:46.993


But it makes like average guys like us like stand out as pretty good.01:30:47.024 --> 01:30:47.413


Yeah.01:30:47.418 --> 01:30:53.413


And, and I had dated a handful in Denver, hadn't found a lot of, you know, any success.01:30:53.684 --> 01:30:56.503


It was like, you know, but, but you meet so many more people.01:30:56.503 --> 01:31:01.724


So I had gone on days outside of Bumble, but I'm saying like, I'd gone on a couple bumble dates and like Yeah.01:31:01.783 --> 01:31:05.083


Um, you know, it was just like, it felt like the new way of meeting someone.01:31:05.113 --> 01:31:08.173


'cause I was also, um, I wasn't drinking bartender.01:31:08.173 --> 01:31:08.293


Yeah.01:31:08.293 --> 01:31:09.014


I wasn't bartending.01:31:09.014 --> 01:31:10.394


Downsizing your alcohol consumption.01:31:10.394 --> 01:31:10.634


Exactly.01:31:10.634 --> 01:31:12.554


So I just didn't want to be out as much.01:31:12.554 --> 01:31:13.154


And anyway.01:31:13.154 --> 01:31:16.724


And so we met, we hit it off pretty much right away.01:31:16.724 --> 01:31:22.519


Um, she had had been on a bunch of bad Bumble dates too, and she's like, she's like, I don't know, I can't, she is actually my chance.01:31:22.519 --> 01:31:22.679


Yeah.01:31:22.719 --> 01:31:24.134


I think he's actually like semi-normal.01:31:24.134 --> 01:31:26.054


And I was like, ah, I think she's not, I semi my normal.01:31:26.054 --> 01:31:27.463


I think she's not like obnoxious.01:31:27.463 --> 01:31:28.453


Like this is gonna work out.01:31:28.453 --> 01:31:28.814


Okay.01:31:29.564 --> 01:31:33.673


Uh, so we, um, yeah, we dated and, and I was01:31:33.944 --> 01:31:35.503


How old were you when, when you got married?01:31:35.684 --> 01:31:40.634


Um, uh, when we started dating, um, when I was 38.01:31:40.783 --> 01:31:41.203


Wow.01:31:41.293 --> 01:31:45.373


And then we got married when I was, uh, uh, after, sorry.01:31:45.373 --> 01:31:48.583


We got married after we had Graham, so, so came first.01:31:48.583 --> 01:31:48.974


So, yeah.01:31:49.003 --> 01:31:49.184


But,01:31:49.184 --> 01:31:53.503


so after, and your grandma was, uh, you were, you were 44 or something already by that time?01:31:53.503 --> 01:31:54.134


I was 43.01:31:54.134 --> 01:31:54.283


Yeah.01:31:54.283 --> 01:31:54.913


When I four three.01:31:54.944 --> 01:31:55.243


Yeah.01:31:55.248 --> 01:31:59.594


So, yeah, that's like, uh, is is, are you older than Laura or is she Very late.01:31:59.594 --> 01:32:00.673


My mom, year and a half, two.01:32:00.673 --> 01:32:01.543


But she's pretty old too.01:32:01.663 --> 01:32:01.969


She is, yeah.01:32:01.974 --> 01:32:02.264


Yeah.01:32:02.264 --> 01:32:05.293


So you guys will have a kiddo geriatric until you're 16.01:32:05.354 --> 01:32:05.684


Yeah.01:32:05.713 --> 01:32:07.814


Are you gonna try for another No, no.01:32:08.354 --> 01:32:09.134


Call it, we're good.01:32:09.944 --> 01:32:15.823


Talk to me about, uh, where, where did she come from and, and what was it that you guys really vibed around?01:32:16.514 --> 01:32:18.073


Uh, she's from Philly.01:32:18.104 --> 01:32:19.213


My dad's from New York.01:32:19.213 --> 01:32:23.503


I think I always liked something, some sort of, that aspect of that personality.01:32:24.104 --> 01:32:28.604


She was always just really easygoing, like very go with the flow, but also.01:32:29.128 --> 01:32:30.979


Wouldn't take any shit for me, wouldn't tolerate bullshit.01:32:30.979 --> 01:32:31.213


Yeah.01:32:31.213 --> 01:32:31.413


Yeah.01:32:31.413 --> 01:32:32.998


And I, I like that combination that, yeah.01:32:32.998 --> 01:32:33.868


Jill does that for me too.01:32:33.958 --> 01:32:34.288


Yeah.01:32:34.288 --> 01:32:36.868


And, uh, similar taste in music.01:32:36.899 --> 01:32:38.488


Not exactly, but enough.01:32:38.519 --> 01:32:38.729


Yeah.01:32:38.939 --> 01:32:43.349


I remember when I was younger, I was, music was everything to me and still is in a lot of ways.01:32:43.349 --> 01:32:47.908


But yeah, it was like, if you don't like this, this, and this band, I cannot, we can't be friends.01:32:47.908 --> 01:32:48.238


I can't date you.01:32:49.798 --> 01:32:51.389


I would like exclude people for that reason.01:32:51.628 --> 01:32:56.368


And I know some people who still do that, they're like, well, you don't like, you don't like Phish.01:32:56.368 --> 01:32:58.078


Like, I can't, I can't be01:32:58.078 --> 01:32:58.679


friends with you.01:32:58.769 --> 01:32:58.918


Right.01:32:59.548 --> 01:33:01.918


It's like, no, that's that I, this is not gonna work.01:33:01.948 --> 01:33:03.838


That's not what I was really looking for.01:33:03.838 --> 01:33:06.958


But we had enough in common musically where like, like we would go to shows.01:33:06.958 --> 01:33:07.559


We had fun.01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:13.229


Um, and, uh, and she, and why you stay down there, you know, she's a nurse, an or nurse.01:33:13.229 --> 01:33:13.918


She's really smart.01:33:13.948 --> 01:33:14.189


Yeah.01:33:14.368 --> 01:33:15.658


Why didn't you stay down in Denver?01:33:15.748 --> 01:33:17.613


Or did she wanna come here to you?01:33:17.613 --> 01:33:17.734


I01:33:17.734 --> 01:33:21.988


was already, yeah, I mean, I was already kind of making that, um, transition back.01:33:22.048 --> 01:33:22.469


Oh, really?01:33:22.738 --> 01:33:22.769


Okay.01:33:22.769 --> 01:33:24.658


So this was towards the end of being there.01:33:24.663 --> 01:33:26.458


I, I was there two years, two and a half years.01:33:26.458 --> 01:33:27.779


So it's towards the end of that.01:33:28.154 --> 01:33:30.253


And I was just getting really sick of the commute.01:33:30.583 --> 01:33:36.734


So I think I had, I had a friend up here who lives pretty East Mulberry, that weird neighborhood back there.01:33:36.738 --> 01:33:36.918


Yeah.01:33:36.923 --> 01:33:37.123


Yeah.01:33:37.154 --> 01:33:40.514


And, um, and they had an extra room a couple times a week.01:33:40.543 --> 01:33:40.993


Well, they, yeah.01:33:40.993 --> 01:33:41.923


The room in the basement.01:33:42.613 --> 01:33:46.154


And, uh, they said, you can rent it out for real as long as you need.01:33:46.184 --> 01:33:49.213


And so I, I didn't renew my lease in Denver.01:33:50.083 --> 01:33:54.974


And then I had that kind of set up, and then I met her and I was like, boom, you could stay with her when you wanted to.01:33:54.974 --> 01:33:55.123


You could.01:33:55.123 --> 01:33:55.184


Yeah.01:33:55.724 --> 01:33:56.564


I was like, boom, boom, boom.01:33:56.564 --> 01:33:59.354


And I was like, well, maybe I should get another lease in Denver.01:33:59.354 --> 01:34:02.234


But then like, I, I didn't, I just didn't wanna do the commute.01:34:02.354 --> 01:34:02.533


Yeah.01:34:03.253 --> 01:34:05.684


And so it was so fresh and new.01:34:05.684 --> 01:34:08.264


I was like, well, yeah, I can just do this commute the other way.01:34:09.314 --> 01:34:10.484


Maybe this will work out.01:34:10.484 --> 01:34:22.934


And, uh, you know, I, I can stay with her if I, you know, as we start dating longer and, and it started working and when it got down to it, I was still of like the opinion of you can kind of get a job anywhere.01:34:23.264 --> 01:34:23.503


Right.01:34:23.503 --> 01:34:24.253


You're an no earner.01:34:24.253 --> 01:34:25.094


You're no earners.01:34:25.094 --> 01:34:25.724


You can go anywhere.01:34:25.724 --> 01:34:26.599


And I am really.01:34:26.984 --> 01:34:29.564


Sort of saddled to Fort Collins in a lot of ways.01:34:29.569 --> 01:34:29.668


Yeah.01:34:29.804 --> 01:34:30.043


Yeah.01:34:30.194 --> 01:34:31.844


And so she was, was that a tough sell for her?01:34:31.934 --> 01:34:32.984


Um, not really.01:34:32.984 --> 01:34:34.333


'cause she's been a travel nurse.01:34:34.338 --> 01:34:34.628


She's, yeah.01:34:34.694 --> 01:34:37.604


She's traveled to like, if you can tolerate that life lifestyle,01:34:37.604 --> 01:34:39.104


living in Fort Collins ain't too bad.01:34:39.109 --> 01:34:39.389


Yeah.01:34:39.493 --> 01:34:39.703


Yeah.01:34:39.734 --> 01:34:43.213


She was like, she just liked the, the, the adventure, you know?01:34:43.213 --> 01:34:44.413


And so she's like, let's do it.01:34:44.474 --> 01:34:44.743


You know?01:34:44.743 --> 01:34:47.203


Does she still do travel nurse or She works Locoly now?01:34:47.264 --> 01:34:47.713


Yeah.01:34:47.743 --> 01:34:51.014


But much easier with a, yeah, it's with a kid.01:34:51.524 --> 01:34:52.363


I'm sure someone does it.01:34:52.363 --> 01:34:58.274


But yeah, so she's been at hospital, so she got, she got stationed in Hawaii.01:34:58.274 --> 01:34:59.323


She got stationed in Vietnam.01:34:59.654 --> 01:35:00.944


She got stationed in That's pretty cool.01:35:00.944 --> 01:35:01.274


Yeah.01:35:01.274 --> 01:35:01.934


All these different places.01:35:01.934 --> 01:35:03.373


Opportunity and like she yeah.01:35:03.404 --> 01:35:04.514


Saw so much of the world.01:35:04.783 --> 01:35:10.873


So then she got stationed in Vail, lived there for many years, then trickled down to Boulder, Denver.01:35:10.873 --> 01:35:12.314


So that's where she ended up kind of Denver.01:35:12.373 --> 01:35:12.654


Gotcha, gotcha.01:35:12.854 --> 01:35:14.323


So she was totally cool with moving up here.01:35:14.354 --> 01:35:14.503


Yeah.01:35:14.503 --> 01:35:15.944


And I think she really does like it.01:35:15.944 --> 01:35:16.423


I think it's.01:35:17.533 --> 01:35:19.543


Um, one of the smaller areas she's ever lived in.01:35:19.543 --> 01:35:20.234


Probably, yeah.01:35:20.293 --> 01:35:21.073


She's lived in not big cities.01:35:21.104 --> 01:35:21.314


Tell me01:35:21.314 --> 01:35:24.673


about, uh, your little future golf program.01:35:24.854 --> 01:35:25.363


Yeah.01:35:25.423 --> 01:35:26.474


Uh, he's awesome.01:35:26.474 --> 01:35:27.493


He's three and a half.01:35:28.304 --> 01:35:32.054


Um, you know, he's just all about, well, I mean like all three and a half year olds.01:35:32.054 --> 01:35:32.894


He's just all about play.01:35:32.953 --> 01:35:34.543


All he wants to do is play all day long.01:35:34.543 --> 01:35:35.234


All and he's,01:35:35.264 --> 01:35:37.484


well, I'm 51 and I, yeah.01:35:37.514 --> 01:35:39.463


I kind of, all I wanna really do is play too, but01:35:39.463 --> 01:35:39.524


yeah.01:35:39.583 --> 01:35:41.713


It, you know, people say it's supposed to keep you young.01:35:41.713 --> 01:35:44.533


I'm not so sure about that, but 47 now, so yeah.01:35:44.533 --> 01:35:45.404


We're older parents.01:35:45.404 --> 01:35:46.423


We're not having another one.01:35:46.873 --> 01:35:50.264


We were, we, we had given up, we, we had tried for a couple years.01:35:50.264 --> 01:35:50.594


Oh, okay.01:35:50.594 --> 01:35:55.453


We dated three years or something, and then we were like, you know, if we're gonna do it, we gotta do it now.01:35:55.453 --> 01:35:55.543


Right.01:35:55.543 --> 01:35:56.788


And we felt like this was Pull the goalie.01:35:56.804 --> 01:35:58.123


Yeah, exactly.01:35:58.123 --> 01:36:01.783


We felt like this was a thing and we're, and we're gonna be together a long time.01:36:01.788 --> 01:36:03.344


We're, you know, yeah, we're gonna stay together.01:36:03.644 --> 01:36:05.323


So she was like, let's go for it.01:36:06.269 --> 01:36:07.048


And it didn't happen.01:36:07.048 --> 01:36:09.689


It took like another two years and still hadn't happened.01:36:10.229 --> 01:36:15.958


And, uh, we had, and at that point we were like, let's try a couple of these fertility drugs, not IVF, but yeah, the other ones offered just to01:36:16.019 --> 01:36:16.948


juicy up a little bit.01:36:16.948 --> 01:36:17.309


Yeah.01:36:17.878 --> 01:36:20.548


And, uh, and, and we again, ba bing, ba boom.01:36:20.729 --> 01:36:22.408


Uh, well, no, it, nothing worked.01:36:22.408 --> 01:36:23.189


Still nothing, nothing worked.01:36:23.189 --> 01:36:30.088


So then we were supposed to go to like Tahoe and we were like, we said that she was kind of the driver's like, that's it.01:36:30.088 --> 01:36:30.208


Yeah.01:36:30.238 --> 01:36:30.958


I wanna stop.01:36:30.958 --> 01:36:31.859


I'm 41, right?01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:37.769


I think she just turned 41 and she's like, I don't want to be an older parent and I don't wanna keep trying and being disappointed.01:36:38.219 --> 01:36:40.828


And there was like, there was a miscarriage in there and it was like all kinds of sad things.01:36:40.828 --> 01:36:42.059


But, um.01:36:42.389 --> 01:36:43.109


It's stressful.01:36:43.109 --> 01:36:43.288


Totally.01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.769


And this whole, like, trying to get pregnant is more stressful than fun.01:36:46.769 --> 01:36:47.009


Right.01:36:47.158 --> 01:36:47.668


Sounds fun.01:36:48.088 --> 01:36:49.498


But she quit trying, then she got knocked out and then, yeah.01:36:49.498 --> 01:36:50.264


So, so we went.01:36:50.264 --> 01:36:51.538


So we were supposed to get a, Tahoe.01:36:51.538 --> 01:36:52.859


Tahoe had a massive fire.01:36:52.918 --> 01:36:53.338


Okay.01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:57.359


They, uh, were like, you know, nothing was really usable where we were supposed to be.01:36:57.689 --> 01:36:59.488


And the Airbnb let us out of it.01:36:59.998 --> 01:37:07.889


Um,'cause the plates was burning down and she had, um, uh, all these friends in Hawaii'cause she had travel nerves there.01:37:08.069 --> 01:37:08.338


Right.01:37:08.458 --> 01:37:10.679


And um, and we had a bunch of points saved up.01:37:10.679 --> 01:37:13.048


So we ended up getting there very cheap, staying very cheap.01:37:13.349 --> 01:37:15.929


Had an amazing vacation is still one of my favorite vacations.01:37:16.019 --> 01:37:16.229


Yeah.01:37:16.229 --> 01:37:16.469


And01:37:16.469 --> 01:37:19.439


she got knocked up and there's something about sea level.01:37:20.878 --> 01:37:21.599


Just relaxing.01:37:21.899 --> 01:37:22.378


Yeah.01:37:22.378 --> 01:37:23.988


And just relaxing, body relaxing.01:37:23.988 --> 01:37:26.158


And not, you weren't, you, you quit trying.01:37:26.158 --> 01:37:26.609


You quit trying.01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:29.668


You're not mentally stressed and physically stressed and just relaxed.01:37:29.939 --> 01:37:31.288


The strength, I actually.01:37:32.038 --> 01:37:34.708


Uh, started running in, in Costa Rica.01:37:34.918 --> 01:37:35.099


Hmm.01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:43.109


Because I, we went to Costa Rica and I was like, I'm gonna run barefoot on this beach'cause that looks like a badass beach and I'll just run until I get tired.01:37:43.109 --> 01:37:45.269


And I was like, shit, I'm not getting tired.01:37:45.298 --> 01:37:45.628


Yeah.01:37:46.139 --> 01:37:47.189


'cause I'm at sea level, you know?01:37:47.338 --> 01:37:47.399


Yeah.01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:51.269


And, uh, and that really kicked off for being You were smoking a cigarette while doing that?01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:52.708


I did after, yeah.01:37:53.279 --> 01:38:05.009


Uh, but it kicked off kind of a, you know, I eventually did the horse tooth half and the wild west relay a few times and, you know, slimmed down from my 200 pound banker weight to a trim 180 or, or whatever.01:38:05.038 --> 01:38:05.368


That's awesome.01:38:05.458 --> 01:38:05.548


Yeah.01:38:05.548 --> 01:38:05.759


Good for you.01:38:05.759 --> 01:38:11.158


Um, and, but it was, it, it was all kind of founded on that super strength from a beach trip.01:38:11.623 --> 01:38:11.863


Yeah.01:38:12.043 --> 01:38:12.344


Yeah.01:38:12.344 --> 01:38:13.934


So I think there's definitely something to it.01:38:13.934 --> 01:38:15.764


I think the, the, what is it?01:38:15.764 --> 01:38:18.524


The, it's the negative ions when you're around water make you feel positive.01:38:18.583 --> 01:38:18.764


Totally.01:38:18.764 --> 01:38:18.854


Yeah.01:38:18.854 --> 01:38:21.073


Like, and there's just so much there of just like positivity.01:38:21.073 --> 01:38:22.184


Hawaii is amazing.01:38:22.604 --> 01:38:24.868


We had such an amazing setup and yeah, very cool.01:38:24.868 --> 01:38:25.243


And luck.01:38:25.333 --> 01:38:27.974


And so it just kind of, the, the, Jill and I went there for our01:38:27.974 --> 01:38:29.953


20th, uh, like two and a half years ago.01:38:29.953 --> 01:38:30.224


Oh, cool.01:38:30.253 --> 01:38:30.764


Which part?01:38:30.854 --> 01:38:33.434


Uh, we went to Kauai and to, uh, wahoo.01:38:34.003 --> 01:38:34.213


Okay.01:38:34.213 --> 01:38:34.963


No, not Oahu.01:38:35.054 --> 01:38:36.073


Uh, what's the one that burned?01:38:37.408 --> 01:38:37.649


Uh,01:38:37.738 --> 01:38:38.578


uh, Maui.01:38:38.668 --> 01:38:39.029


Maui.01:38:39.029 --> 01:38:39.389


Yeah.01:38:39.394 --> 01:38:39.413


Yeah.01:38:39.418 --> 01:38:39.658


Okay.01:38:39.658 --> 01:38:39.899


Yeah.01:38:39.899 --> 01:38:41.219


So we spent a week at each of those01:38:41.519 --> 01:38:42.088


islands.01:38:42.149 --> 01:38:44.488


So yeah, I've done Oahu and Big Island.01:38:44.878 --> 01:38:45.238


Okay.01:38:45.298 --> 01:38:46.828


Yeah, the Big Island will be next.01:38:46.859 --> 01:38:47.009


Yeah.01:38:47.069 --> 01:38:47.399


That's cool.01:38:47.578 --> 01:38:47.878


It's fun.01:38:47.939 --> 01:38:48.899


It snowed there the other day.01:38:48.988 --> 01:38:49.828


We did it.01:38:50.099 --> 01:38:50.578


Interesting.01:38:50.668 --> 01:38:52.828


It hasn't snowed in Denver, but it snowed on the top of the mountain.01:38:52.828 --> 01:38:52.979


Then01:38:53.009 --> 01:38:58.588


the, uh, the closing segment is the Loco experience, and that's the craziest experience that you're willing to share.01:38:58.588 --> 01:39:02.519


But I want to give you a chance if there's, if there's something else you wanna make sure you mention.01:39:02.519 --> 01:39:07.259


I know you said you've got a show coming up December 13th, but this will probably publish after that, so that's not01:39:07.288 --> 01:39:07.679


Yeah.01:39:08.009 --> 01:39:08.729


Won't worry about those.01:39:08.729 --> 01:39:11.248


Uh, dead Floyd's playing like January 23rd at the Aggie.01:39:11.309 --> 01:39:11.759


Okay.01:39:11.759 --> 01:39:13.139


Uh, and then 24th at Boulder Theater.01:39:13.229 --> 01:39:13.529


Dig it.01:39:13.559 --> 01:39:14.819


Uh, so you can Yeah.01:39:14.939 --> 01:39:15.509


Promote those.01:39:15.868 --> 01:39:16.533


Um, c Mini Tour.01:39:16.889 --> 01:39:17.158


Yeah.01:39:17.163 --> 01:39:17.413


Yeah.01:39:17.878 --> 01:39:19.048


Weekend Warrior, right?01:39:19.288 --> 01:39:20.639


Um, yeah.01:39:20.639 --> 01:39:23.158


I don't know, other than, I mean, digital workshop center.com.01:39:23.158 --> 01:39:25.708


If anyone wants to learn more about whatnot, the programs.01:39:25.708 --> 01:39:29.064


But, um, happy to talk to everyone too if they ever just wanna Yeah.01:39:29.123 --> 01:39:29.724


Call and call.01:39:29.724 --> 01:39:30.234


Talk about'em.01:39:30.654 --> 01:39:35.753


What we do, and especially for like team training, that's something we're just getting back towards more of is pushing for that.01:39:35.814 --> 01:39:37.944


Like internally have a, a group.01:39:38.094 --> 01:39:38.543


Yeah.01:39:38.543 --> 01:39:40.463


Hire you, bring some in-house training, come full circle.01:39:40.734 --> 01:39:40.793


We01:39:40.793 --> 01:39:50.783


got away from that because it was less popular, but coming back to it where we're getting more teams and like employee training as we would call it, of um, yeah, soft skills and different things that people need.01:39:50.844 --> 01:39:52.373


So if anyone needs that, lemme know.01:39:52.703 --> 01:39:53.274


Well.01:39:54.059 --> 01:39:56.128


The loco experience is the closing segment.01:39:56.128 --> 01:40:00.599


That's the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.01:40:43.934 --> 01:40:44.503


Yeah.01:40:44.594 --> 01:40:50.863


Um, you know, I, well playing music, I could go through a long list of crazy experiences, but I'm sure Plus01:40:50.863 --> 01:40:51.764


you were drinking heavily for01:40:51.764 --> 01:40:55.243


many of those years, drinking, and there's other things involved there that I, you know, you've done drugs too.01:40:55.363 --> 01:40:55.634


Oh, yeah.01:40:55.634 --> 01:40:55.963


That's right.01:40:56.533 --> 01:40:56.623


What?01:40:56.623 --> 01:41:03.884


But I'm not gonna, I think I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna say this as my, I, I, I, when you say that, you know, it's like what pops in your head first?01:41:03.913 --> 01:41:04.123


Yeah.01:41:04.748 --> 01:41:08.229


Um, and I'll try to keep it brief'cause it's sort of long story, could be a long story.01:41:08.229 --> 01:41:13.298


I will try to keep it as short as possible because I know we got things to do and, um, okay.01:41:13.298 --> 01:41:16.868


I went to college at University of Maryland in, outside of DC Okay.01:41:16.958 --> 01:41:17.139


Yeah.01:41:17.139 --> 01:41:18.458


We didn't really touch that chapter much.01:41:18.488 --> 01:41:18.759


Yeah.01:41:18.819 --> 01:41:22.988


And, uh, so I wanted to get out, get the fuck outta Columbus, Ohio State's in Columbus.01:41:22.988 --> 01:41:23.828


I was like, get outta here.01:41:23.859 --> 01:41:27.338


So I go to Maryland and my best friend, um, terrapins.01:41:27.338 --> 01:41:27.488


Right?01:41:27.548 --> 01:41:28.149


Uh, terrapins.01:41:28.149 --> 01:41:28.238


Yeah.01:41:28.328 --> 01:41:28.658


Oh, nice.01:41:28.838 --> 01:41:33.219


I, my, one of my best friends, I, I say my closest friend I grew up, I've known him when I was two.01:41:33.609 --> 01:41:33.759


Okay.01:41:33.764 --> 01:41:35.469


You know, so since like my kids' age, right.01:41:35.469 --> 01:41:36.429


We've been friends our whole lives.01:41:36.429 --> 01:41:37.238


We've gone different ways.01:41:37.238 --> 01:41:40.269


We've kind of come back and at the time he was living in Phoenix.01:41:41.054 --> 01:41:43.573


And he had gone to Ohio State with a guy named Pete.01:41:44.024 --> 01:41:48.793


Pete worked, uh, his first family business selling textiles to casinos.01:41:49.094 --> 01:41:49.663


Okay.01:41:49.670 --> 01:41:53.399


And he was the biggest story, um, close Atlantic City.01:41:53.559 --> 01:41:54.073


Atlantic City, yeah.01:41:54.163 --> 01:41:57.944


And, um, he, but he did, he was very wealthy.01:41:57.944 --> 01:41:59.503


His dad's business was very successful.01:41:59.503 --> 01:42:01.423


He sold all of the carpets, the drapes.01:42:01.573 --> 01:42:01.814


Oh yes.01:42:01.814 --> 01:42:04.963


Everything to almost all the casinos in Atlantic City.01:42:05.069 --> 01:42:05.359


Damn.01:42:05.594 --> 01:42:08.833


And they were like, you know, repeating, they're always, uh, uh, doing things.01:42:08.833 --> 01:42:10.934


So he was very wealthy.01:42:10.934 --> 01:42:11.923


But Pete went to Ohio State.01:42:11.923 --> 01:42:13.064


He met my friend Adam.01:42:13.604 --> 01:42:19.423


Uh, I, I'm in DC in Maryland, and I invite Adam to come spend the summer with me, one of my closest friends.01:42:19.934 --> 01:42:22.993


And so he drives out, he's living with me for the summer.01:42:23.203 --> 01:42:24.644


He gets a call from his buddy Pete.01:42:24.703 --> 01:42:26.743


Pete's like, Hey, I heard you're out here for the summer.01:42:27.434 --> 01:42:28.873


I'm right not that far down the road.01:42:28.873 --> 01:42:29.713


I'm in Atlantic City.01:42:29.713 --> 01:42:30.613


Why don't you come down?01:42:30.644 --> 01:42:34.543


And we're like, uh, what are we barely 21.01:42:34.573 --> 01:42:35.743


I mean, honestly, I think we were.01:42:36.043 --> 01:42:37.543


Underage and had fake adsd.01:42:37.543 --> 01:42:37.573


Maybe only 20.01:42:37.573 --> 01:42:37.769


Yeah.01:42:37.809 --> 01:42:38.594


I think we had fake adsd.01:42:38.923 --> 01:42:39.253


Pretty sure.01:42:39.703 --> 01:42:44.894


Um, and uh, and we were just like, no, I, I can't afford it.01:42:44.894 --> 01:42:46.213


Like, we both love playing cards.01:42:46.213 --> 01:42:47.054


I love blackjack.01:42:47.054 --> 01:42:47.833


Yeah, I love poker.01:42:47.833 --> 01:42:52.514


But, uh, I was like, dude, I can't afford to go to Atlantic City and the amount of money in the hotel and everything in car.01:42:52.514 --> 01:42:52.844


Right.01:42:52.844 --> 01:42:54.613


And Pete's like, I got you.01:42:54.613 --> 01:42:56.743


And we're like, well, what does that mean?01:42:56.743 --> 01:42:57.944


He goes, I'll pay for your hotel.01:42:57.944 --> 01:42:59.594


We're like, uh, that's awesome.01:42:59.594 --> 01:43:00.314


Still can't do it.01:43:00.314 --> 01:43:01.963


He's like, I'll pay for all your food.01:43:02.354 --> 01:43:03.134


We'll get it all comped.01:43:03.344 --> 01:43:05.444


He's, he's, he's such a big gambler, this guy Pete.01:43:05.594 --> 01:43:08.684


He's like, I can get that comped and, and keeps going and going.01:43:08.684 --> 01:43:09.854


And we're like, oh my God.01:43:09.854 --> 01:43:11.293


Well I don't know how this I'll your drinks.01:43:11.293 --> 01:43:16.934


I'll buy your, and we, and we were still pushing back a little'cause we were just both like, I don't want to go blow, you know, however much money gambling right now.01:43:16.934 --> 01:43:17.863


Even it afford even a hundred bucks.01:43:17.923 --> 01:43:18.163


Yeah.01:43:18.224 --> 01:43:19.333


You know, with all the other things.01:43:19.663 --> 01:43:27.344


Tope goes, look, I'm gonna send a limo from Atlantic City to the University of Maryland to pick you up and drive you.01:43:27.344 --> 01:43:29.894


And however many one of your friends, you all can come.01:43:30.104 --> 01:43:37.819


You can stay in a suite at uh, one of the hotels there at a very nice hotel, and you can hang out with me and I'll get you the show.01:43:37.819 --> 01:43:39.854


I'll put everything on the room, shows everything is calmed.01:43:40.243 --> 01:43:42.314


And, and so finally we're like, let's do it.01:43:42.314 --> 01:43:48.793


So we get a group of friends together, smoking a bunch, drinking a bunch, two and a half hours, three hours down the road to Atlantic City.01:43:49.184 --> 01:43:54.073


First of all, it picks us up and like outside the crappy apartment I lived in, you know, like this pimp, pal limo.01:43:54.913 --> 01:43:58.123


So drives us there and, and like a group of six or more?01:43:58.123 --> 01:43:58.814


Yeah, it was about six.01:43:58.814 --> 01:43:59.054


Yeah.01:43:59.054 --> 01:44:03.104


The girlfriend I was with at the time, Adam, two of their, two of my other buddies.01:44:03.104 --> 01:44:04.333


And then maybe like one of their girlfriends.01:44:04.333 --> 01:44:04.783


Something like that.01:44:05.578 --> 01:44:10.738


Um, so we we're rolling down the road and this is, you know, pre-social media and whatever.01:44:10.738 --> 01:44:14.668


We, I don't even, I think there's like one picture of this whole, these experiences.01:44:14.698 --> 01:44:15.029


Okay.01:44:15.208 --> 01:44:23.519


But, um, we get there, there's a spread of like Dom Perignon cigars, caviar, like the most expensive shit you can imagine, right.01:44:23.849 --> 01:44:27.658


And the most expensive liquors in a suite in this gorgeous hotel.01:44:27.899 --> 01:44:29.368


So we had our own, I had my own room.01:44:29.368 --> 01:44:33.298


Adam had his own room, you know, and, and, and me and my girlfriend were like, this is amazing.01:44:33.389 --> 01:44:33.509


Right?01:44:33.509 --> 01:44:40.948


So we go to see shows and we see like Tommy Chong and we see, uh, a bunch of, you know, decent Vegas acts.01:44:40.948 --> 01:44:41.279


Yeah.01:44:41.729 --> 01:44:43.229


So the, I'm trying to speed up the story.01:44:43.229 --> 01:44:45.748


So the, the, we did the, so it was so much fun.01:44:45.809 --> 01:44:46.918


Everything was comps, right?01:44:46.979 --> 01:44:50.009


You know, I always spent like a couple hundred bucks on gambling and I think I won.01:44:50.009 --> 01:44:50.969


So I was in a great mood.01:44:50.969 --> 01:44:51.118


Yeah.01:44:51.509 --> 01:44:52.798


So then we did it like.01:44:53.503 --> 01:44:54.493


Three more times.01:44:55.033 --> 01:44:55.423


Okay.01:44:55.423 --> 01:44:57.583


So this is the first of a series within a summer.01:44:57.644 --> 01:44:57.913


Yeah.01:44:57.913 --> 01:44:59.774


So this happened like a couple weeks later.01:44:59.774 --> 01:45:00.644


He's like, let's do it again.01:45:01.123 --> 01:45:04.094


Pete is a, I should have said at the top, he's like a degenerative gambler.01:45:04.154 --> 01:45:04.363


Yeah.01:45:04.363 --> 01:45:05.173


He's a ton of money.01:45:05.384 --> 01:45:06.253


Doesn't know what to do with it.01:45:06.493 --> 01:45:10.753


And so he's spending money like crazy and he was playing like in the high limit rooms.01:45:10.844 --> 01:45:11.173


Whoa.01:45:11.234 --> 01:45:12.913


And he's just blowing through money.01:45:12.913 --> 01:45:16.304


And he, he's definitely got comped because he has such a high bankroll Right.01:45:16.394 --> 01:45:16.753


That01:45:16.753 --> 01:45:18.944


the casinos are making 20 grand a weekend off of him.01:45:18.948 --> 01:45:19.109


Exactly.01:45:19.113 --> 01:45:20.309


So they're happy to give him a couple rules.01:45:20.309 --> 01:45:21.283


They, they know him from,01:45:21.458 --> 01:45:22.213


from business.01:45:22.213 --> 01:45:22.274


Yeah.01:45:22.274 --> 01:45:24.793


But they also know him'cause he spends a stupid amount of money.01:45:24.823 --> 01:45:25.213


Right.01:45:25.304 --> 01:45:27.043


And so they're happy to comp his shit.01:45:27.434 --> 01:45:35.144


And so we did a couple times, had a blast then like the fourth time we did it, um, he's like, my buddies are gonna meet us in the room.01:45:35.144 --> 01:45:37.304


And when you guys get there, there might be some like friends there.01:45:37.844 --> 01:45:39.163


Um, and we got there.01:45:39.163 --> 01:45:39.823


There's nobody there.01:45:39.823 --> 01:45:45.944


We go down, we gamble, we're getting pretty drunk, you know, and, and then we go up and now it's like one in the morning or something.01:45:45.944 --> 01:45:49.484


And, and we like, we hadn't seen Pete that much, that much this time.01:45:49.573 --> 01:45:50.774


He was up at the high roller table.01:45:50.833 --> 01:45:51.793


He was at the high roller table.01:45:51.854 --> 01:45:52.274


Exactly.01:45:52.394 --> 01:45:56.503


And we get up to the room and there are like the most mafioso looking dudes.01:45:56.564 --> 01:45:57.463


His lone sharks or what?01:45:57.463 --> 01:45:59.024


Like legit mafia.01:45:59.474 --> 01:45:59.804


Okay.01:45:59.953 --> 01:46:02.293


And it was like jarring.01:46:02.623 --> 01:46:02.804


Yeah.01:46:02.804 --> 01:46:03.884


And intimidating.01:46:03.884 --> 01:46:04.634


It was all hell.01:46:04.963 --> 01:46:06.373


And I was terrified.01:46:06.434 --> 01:46:06.764


Yeah.01:46:06.793 --> 01:46:10.934


And um, yeah, I remember looking Adam and I was like, we should go.01:46:11.384 --> 01:46:14.503


And, but Pete's like, oh, come meet my friend Ernesto.01:46:14.863 --> 01:46:15.764


And I'm like, Hey.01:46:15.764 --> 01:46:17.594


He goes, it's Ernesto Gambino or something.01:46:17.594 --> 01:46:18.224


I was like, yeah.01:46:19.123 --> 01:46:20.713


Who are you hanging out with?01:46:20.713 --> 01:46:21.134


Pete.01:46:21.194 --> 01:46:21.404


Right.01:46:21.404 --> 01:46:21.503


And why?01:46:21.503 --> 01:46:23.054


I was like, where am I right now?01:46:23.054 --> 01:46:23.953


Why are you doing this?01:46:24.389 --> 01:46:30.538


Well, he was high rolling with these guys and he was spending enough money that he was like becoming friends with these guys who were also high rolling, I guess.01:46:30.689 --> 01:46:34.769


And there was a group of like eight to 10 people in there that were the most Italian.01:46:34.769 --> 01:46:36.389


You guys had a bunch of 20-year-old01:46:36.389 --> 01:46:39.748


freaking punk kids from Ohio and elsewhere.01:46:39.779 --> 01:46:39.838


Yeah.01:46:39.838 --> 01:46:41.548


Hanging out at University of Maryland.01:46:41.548 --> 01:46:41.759


I had01:46:41.759 --> 01:46:44.009


no business being hanging out with these guys Right.01:46:44.009 --> 01:46:44.698


At any level.01:46:45.179 --> 01:46:47.969


Uh, I was like smoking to joy, playing$10 tables.01:46:47.969 --> 01:46:50.639


These guys are playing like 50 grand a roll on roulette.01:46:50.939 --> 01:46:51.658


I'm not joking.01:46:51.658 --> 01:46:52.349


I watched them do it.01:46:52.529 --> 01:46:52.679


Wow.01:46:53.009 --> 01:46:57.389


And, and a couple of'em, uh, one in particular was so fucking scary.01:46:57.389 --> 01:46:59.399


Like he like just, he didn't say a word.01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:00.269


Just didn't know if he was gonna hurt you.01:47:00.269 --> 01:47:01.708


I was terrified of that guy or something.01:47:01.708 --> 01:47:01.948


Right?01:47:01.948 --> 01:47:02.158


Yeah.01:47:02.158 --> 01:47:03.238


Like straight out of a TV show.01:47:03.238 --> 01:47:05.788


And I was terrified of him and I didn't say a word to him.01:47:05.788 --> 01:47:06.868


I was just like shaking.01:47:06.868 --> 01:47:10.408


And then another guy, uh, you know, I sat down right next to him.01:47:10.408 --> 01:47:11.458


We like sitting in a circle.01:47:11.458 --> 01:47:15.899


Everyone's smoking and they got all this expensive stuff in the middle and you know, everyone's getting loud.01:47:15.899 --> 01:47:20.698


And this guy, I sit down and we just, my normal thing to do is like, Hey, how you doing?01:47:20.698 --> 01:47:21.238


My name's Stu.01:47:21.418 --> 01:47:21.929


He goes.01:47:22.288 --> 01:47:23.128


I'm not telling you my name.01:47:24.748 --> 01:47:27.448


I was like, nice, nice, nice to meet you.01:47:27.448 --> 01:47:29.069


And I was like, holy shit.01:47:29.069 --> 01:47:32.279


And I just kept like getting really nervous and uncomfortable.01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:45.448


And, and Adam, if Adam, my friend Adam had not been there, no one would believe me because it was, it was the most scary thing I've ever a part of Pete, um, wanted to keep gambling and me and Adam were like, yeah, we're gonna go somewhere else.01:47:45.448 --> 01:47:46.319


And we just like left.01:47:46.408 --> 01:47:46.708


Yeah.01:47:46.708 --> 01:47:48.298


You're like, Wendy's is open.01:47:48.509 --> 01:47:49.349


And then, and then01:47:49.349 --> 01:47:52.168


later I come, we come back to the room, they're not there.01:47:52.168 --> 01:47:53.639


Then Pete comes in frantic.01:47:53.729 --> 01:47:54.059


Okay.01:47:54.118 --> 01:47:56.849


And, uh, he's like, I lost a lot of money.01:47:56.878 --> 01:47:58.259


And we're like, okay.01:47:58.259 --> 01:47:59.128


Like how much?01:47:59.128 --> 01:48:00.719


And he's like, I'm not telling you, but it is a lot.01:48:01.078 --> 01:48:04.168


And, uh, I kind of owe those guys some money.01:48:04.168 --> 01:48:06.719


And we're like, what the fuck are you doing, Pete?01:48:06.748 --> 01:48:08.788


I was like, this is insane, right?01:48:08.788 --> 01:48:11.189


Like, do you not understand who you're playing with right now?01:48:11.219 --> 01:48:11.309


Right.01:48:11.698 --> 01:48:14.609


And he's like, I need you guys to go down there and like, tell'em I'm good for the money.01:48:14.609 --> 01:48:17.338


I was like, I am not fucking talking to any of these guys.01:48:17.368 --> 01:48:19.649


Like, and he was like sweating bullets of like.01:48:20.083 --> 01:48:20.474


Damn.01:48:20.474 --> 01:48:25.123


Within however many hours he'd lost, like, I dunno, figure figures of dollars01:48:25.123 --> 01:48:25.694


probably.01:48:25.993 --> 01:48:28.993


And uh, ultimately I didn't, I definitely did not do that.01:48:28.993 --> 01:48:32.234


And then, uh, he talked about later how he, he, he worked it out.01:48:32.234 --> 01:48:33.613


He is like, we're gonna go to The Bahamas together.01:48:33.613 --> 01:48:34.844


I was like, don't do that Pete.01:48:34.873 --> 01:48:37.724


I was like, that's a terrible leave you there underneath the.01:48:37.788 --> 01:48:38.479


Fishes.01:48:38.538 --> 01:48:43.668


But, um, I did watch him gamble and I watched him 50 grand a roll, like, you know, wow.01:48:43.698 --> 01:48:45.469


People's salaries a roll.01:48:45.469 --> 01:48:49.819


And he would, he went up so much money, it was like, like 600,000 bucks.01:48:49.819 --> 01:48:50.118


Right.01:48:50.238 --> 01:48:50.988


And then I watched him01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:54.378


lose it, lose it all, and be down to yeah, to zero.01:48:54.378 --> 01:48:55.069


And then he'd do01:48:55.069 --> 01:48:55.429


it again.01:48:55.429 --> 01:48:56.538


And I'm like, that's so much money.01:48:56.958 --> 01:48:58.429


So anyway, that, that's one of the craziest stories.01:48:58.488 --> 01:49:02.779


Uh, just that crazy, just the mafia, like legit mafia.01:49:02.779 --> 01:49:03.408


That totally.01:49:03.769 --> 01:49:04.788


Ernesto Gambino.01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:06.588


I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't say that up.01:49:06.588 --> 01:49:08.719


Hopefully Yeah, he's gonna be calling on you.01:49:08.779 --> 01:49:11.328


And then, uh, yeah, the other guys who wouldn't tell me their names,01:49:11.389 --> 01:49:15.738


if there's a new series we just started watching on Netflix, maybe a limited series Black Rabbit.01:49:15.769 --> 01:49:16.548


Have you seen that one yet?01:49:17.118 --> 01:49:18.319


Uh, I think I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.498


It's a, it's, you'd probably enjoy it'cause it's kind of that it's New York.01:49:22.363 --> 01:49:25.363


Restaurants and mob stuff and loan sharks.01:49:25.394 --> 01:49:25.514


Yeah.01:49:25.514 --> 01:49:27.524


And the juices loose and whatnot.01:49:28.003 --> 01:49:28.814


Um, it's, that's real.01:49:28.904 --> 01:49:29.024


Yeah.01:49:29.024 --> 01:49:29.474


It's very real.01:49:29.623 --> 01:49:33.644


You see that whole thing about the, the, the rigging games for, uh, sports players, you know, for Yeah.01:49:33.793 --> 01:49:34.573


Professional athletes.01:49:34.753 --> 01:49:34.904


These01:49:34.904 --> 01:49:35.083


guys01:49:35.083 --> 01:49:39.583


making$30 million a year and, and, and betting some, I think they got like 20 grand duped into it.01:49:39.583 --> 01:49:44.953


But then you gotta think it's the mafia and like if they come in, you're doing this right, or I'm gonna kill your family or hurt you or whatever.01:49:45.613 --> 01:49:46.934


You're, I think intimidated.01:49:46.934 --> 01:49:47.684


I think that whole sports01:49:47.684 --> 01:49:50.234


betting thing is probably gonna go back the other way.01:49:50.863 --> 01:49:55.363


Like, I don't think there's any way to uncorrupt that once that corruption.01:49:55.423 --> 01:49:56.953


Well, for baseball,01:49:57.673 --> 01:49:59.144


like, especially baseball.01:49:59.474 --> 01:50:01.154


So that's who the mostly they've gotten so far.01:50:01.694 --> 01:50:01.753


Yeah.01:50:01.753 --> 01:50:02.113


Basketball too.01:50:02.113 --> 01:50:06.163


They used to be able to like, uh, put a prop bed on a pitch.01:50:06.224 --> 01:50:06.613


Right.01:50:06.884 --> 01:50:09.359


So if they could signal to like the pitch, the inning.01:50:09.689 --> 01:50:10.038


Right.01:50:10.904 --> 01:50:15.253


Or make this pitch a ball, then like you could easily rig the game.01:50:15.253 --> 01:50:15.463


Totally.01:50:15.524 --> 01:50:15.854


Right?01:50:15.884 --> 01:50:22.304


Totally Not, not necessarily lose the game of like losing the game of baseball, but like rig, how the people are gambling, especially all those prop beds.01:50:22.363 --> 01:50:22.423


Yeah.01:50:22.423 --> 01:50:23.623


So they did clamp down on that.01:50:23.623 --> 01:50:30.524


I know baseball is like, trying to make that not as easy and like the max is like$200 now, or it wasn't a max before, but Yeah.01:50:30.524 --> 01:50:36.283


Other stuff, like I know basketball guys got pulled in and um, all you gotta do is have a prop head of like, he's gonna miss his first shot.01:50:36.314 --> 01:50:36.644


Yeah.01:50:36.823 --> 01:50:37.154


And even01:50:37.154 --> 01:50:38.894


legit easy players.01:50:38.894 --> 01:50:41.234


And that one coach Chauncey VI think was,01:50:41.713 --> 01:50:48.163


oh, and him I think is more on like the mafia side because he got, like, he got paid to be a celebrity sitting at a table.01:50:48.194 --> 01:50:48.764


Right.01:50:48.764 --> 01:50:50.833


He didn't know the table as far as I've heard.01:50:50.833 --> 01:50:54.764


I don't right know, but I don't think he was necessarily, oh, he in on like the scam.01:50:54.764 --> 01:50:57.194


But he was on it by proxy.01:50:57.493 --> 01:51:00.988


Just sitting there, sitting there and they're like, you're going like, you're, yeah, you're going to sit there, we'll pay you, but you're good.01:51:00.988 --> 01:51:01.469


You're gonna sit.01:51:01.474 --> 01:51:03.163


And he's just like, okay.01:51:03.224 --> 01:51:06.703


You know, and like, I'm sure he likes playing cards or whatever, but like you, he.01:51:07.274 --> 01:51:07.783


Kind of bad.01:51:07.934 --> 01:51:08.594


Wrong place.01:51:08.594 --> 01:51:08.953


Wrong time.01:51:08.984 --> 01:51:09.373


Yeah.01:51:09.673 --> 01:51:10.094


Interesting.01:51:10.213 --> 01:51:10.484


Yeah.01:51:10.724 --> 01:51:12.253


Well, yeah, it's been fun.01:51:12.253 --> 01:51:12.884


I hope you had fun.01:51:12.944 --> 01:51:13.634


Had a great time.01:51:13.634 --> 01:51:14.024


Thank you.01:51:14.054 --> 01:51:14.293


Good.01:51:14.293 --> 01:51:15.283


How long did we talk for hours?01:51:15.283 --> 01:51:15.689


It feels like two hours.01:51:15.939 --> 01:51:16.288


Hours.01:51:16.288 --> 01:51:16.514


Oh wow.01:51:16.514 --> 01:51:16.993


That's a long time.01:51:16.993 --> 01:51:17.923


Pretty much that me?01:51:17.923 --> 01:51:19.094


Not quite, but pretty close.01:51:19.154 --> 01:51:19.333


All right.01:51:19.333 --> 01:51:19.514


Yeah.01:51:19.663 --> 01:51:20.203


Well, thanks.01:51:20.203 --> 01:51:21.224


Are you gonna, yeah, thanks for all you do.01:51:21.283 --> 01:51:21.793


Yeah,01:51:21.793 --> 01:51:24.613


thank you for, I don't really have a custom sign on or anything like that.01:51:24.673 --> 01:51:25.753


You need like a tagline.01:51:26.024 --> 01:51:27.849


Did you want to do a, a little drum, uh,01:51:29.623 --> 01:51:34.033


uh, little close, embarrassed everything here, but we can do a drum roll of like, what's your tagline?01:51:34.033 --> 01:51:38.293


And then you could be like, oh, and here's Kurt.01:51:38.298 --> 01:51:38.849


Here goes Stuy.01:51:40.213 --> 01:51:40.844


Thanks for leaving.01:51:40.844 --> 01:51:41.474


That's the opposite.01:51:41.804 --> 01:51:42.583


Um, yeah.01:51:42.583 --> 01:51:42.974


Thank you.01:51:42.974 --> 01:51:43.394


That's cool.01:51:43.394 --> 01:51:44.863


I, I love what you do with Think Tank.01:51:44.923 --> 01:51:46.484


I'm sorry I've never officially been apart.01:51:46.663 --> 01:51:47.173


You still could.01:51:47.328 --> 01:51:48.253


I, I know I still can.01:51:48.404 --> 01:51:51.163


Uh, I just need time and all these things we just talked about.01:51:51.224 --> 01:51:51.463


Yeah.01:51:51.493 --> 01:51:52.573


You can see why I have none.01:51:52.634 --> 01:51:53.323


I understand why.01:51:53.323 --> 01:51:54.613


Um, but yeah, I love it.01:51:54.673 --> 01:51:55.963


I think the, the idea is awesome.01:51:55.993 --> 01:52:00.073


Well, I appreciate all that you do and uh, keep up the good music and work.01:52:00.134 --> 01:52:00.463


Thanks.01:52:00.644 --> 01:52:01.064


Alright guys.01:52:01.064 --> 01:52:01.243


Speed.