Dec. 13, 2025

EXPERIENCE 248 | Innovation at the Digital Workshop: Insights from Stu Crair

In today's episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I sat down with Stu Crair, the founder and executive director of the Digital Workshop Center, a musician as well as an adjunct professor at CSU. Stu shares his history, balancing professional commitments and musical pursuits, offering insights to his roles, kind of creating a job at CSU and Elsewise, and the evolution of the Digital Workshop Center from his garage to now a nice office in downtown Fort Collins. We also discussed his jou...

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Season 5

 In today's episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I sat down with Stu Crair, the founder and executive director of the Digital Workshop Center, a musician as well as an adjunct professor at CSU. Stu shares his history, balancing professional commitments and musical pursuits, offering insights to his roles, kind of creating a job at CSU and Elsewise, and the evolution of the Digital Workshop Center from his garage to now a nice office in downtown Fort Collins.

We also discussed his journey from Ohio to Fort Collins and how music brought him here, the changes in the music industry and how one can make a buck in today's music world, as well as the diverse music from Dead Floyd Musketeer Grip Weed and a new Ruby Stew. Stu also shares kind of a pivot in his later life becoming a husband and then now a father over the last few years, as well as the impact of that on his day-to-day existence. He's also got a great loco experience that you'll have to tune in for with a little bit of mobster action.

So please tune in and enjoy my conversation with Stu Crair.

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In today's episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I sat down with Stu Crair, the founder and executive director of the Digital Workshop Center, a musician as well as an adjunct professor at CSU.

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Stu shares his history, balancing professional commitments and musical pursuits, offering insights to his roles, kind of creating a job at CSU and Elsewise, and the evolution of the Digital Workshop Center from his garage to now a nice office in downtown Fort Collins.

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We also discussed his journey from Ohio to Fort Collins and how music brought him here, the changes in the music industry and how one can make a buck in today's music world, as well as the diverse music from Dead Floyd Musketeer Grip Weed and a new Ruby Stew.

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Stu also shares kind of a pivot in his later life becoming a husband and then now a father over the last few years, as well as the impact of that on his day-to-day existence.

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He's also got a great loco experience that you'll have to tune in for with a little bit of mobster action.

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So please tune in and enjoy my conversation with Stu Crair.

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Let's have some fun.

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Welcome to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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On this show, you'll get to know business and community leaders from all around Northern Colorado and beyond.

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Our guests share their stories, business stories, life stories, stories of triumph and of tragedy.

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And through it all, you'll be inspired and entertained.

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These conversations are real and raw, and no topics are off limits.

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So pop in a breath mint and get ready to meet our latest guest.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Stu Crair.

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Stu is the Executive Director of the Digital Workshop Center.

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He's an adjunct instructor at CSU, and he's a band member of some of Fort Collins finest Loco bands, dead Floyd Musketeer Grip Weed, and a new one.

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Ruby Stu, STEW.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not STU.

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You got it.

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Thanks.

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Where do you spend most of your time?

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Um, well, you know, I balance things.

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I I kinda have like two lives.

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Yeah.

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So, um, running the workshop, daily Day job is what I would consider that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, that's most of what I'm doing, you know, Monday through Friday during the daytime, and then the evenings I'm, I tend to be playing music or hanging out at home with the family,

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but, and where do you fit the CSU stuff in?

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Just kind of, that's just a one class thing.

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It's a

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one class thing.

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I've been doing it now, this is 11 years.

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Wow.

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Which is nuts.

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Uh, it's probably about how long you and I have known each other close to it, something like that.

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Um, and, uh, it's, it's, it's always been one section.

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It was Mondays and Wednesdays from like two to three 30.

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It was very easy to fit in.

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And then last year they came to me and said, uh, it's been full for a long time.

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Can you do a second section?

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And I said, sure, I can use a little extra income.

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Show me the money.

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Yeah, you got a kid, right?

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They made, I got a kid.

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They made it worth my while to buy some diapers.

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Uh, so now I do two sections.

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So basically it's like my Monday, Wednesday afternoons kinda get eaten up by it.

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Yeah.

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But, um, uh, but yeah, so I I fit it in.

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It, it, it's, uh, that's not the hard part.

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The hard part is the grading afterwards, but Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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Well, and, and with a, a music lifestyle that is here and there and sometimes not, you know, and, uh, yeah, I'm sure there's busy seasons and slower seasons in that world.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, definitely.

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Summers tend to be, I mean, all the way.

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Through the summer into now.

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Yeah.

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You could say the couple weeks before Thanksgiving it tends to die off.

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And then through the winter it can be very quiet.

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And now Musketeer Grip weed has been around for a good long while.

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Right.

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Like when I first came to town, I, um, some of our mutual friends knew Ben pretty well from your Yeah.

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From your band there.

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And that must've been what, like 20 years?

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20 years?

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That's what I thought.

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Yeah.

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I haven't been involved since the beginning.

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So Ben and Jason met 20 years ago, started it, um, and they had a couple different rotating lineups and I was then playing with Dead Floyd, where Matt, the keyboard player was also, um, a part of, and he was also, he was in grip weed.

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He came, started playing with us.

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Very ancestral in music.

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Yeah.

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He was like, especially Locoly, Hey,

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we need a drummer.

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And it turns out Stu is.

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Not as bad as our last drummer.

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So yeah, their,

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their drummer at the time had a bunch of legal issues I won't get into.

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And so he was out and they had a bunch of big gigs coming up, including like the big stage, the New West Fest Oh, right.

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And some other big ones at that time.

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And, um, uh, yeah, so I played one, like small something with him, and then it was that new s festival in front of a, you know, 10,000 people or something.

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And they liked you and, and we, we were all like, friendly enough, but, um, strangely, I, I met Jason, this Louis singer, like pretty early on when I moved here.

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I, I lived with a guy named Alan.

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Alan was one of these kinda like, connector guys in networking, as I'm sure you can relate.

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I might be one of them.

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Yeah.

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And you, I think you're one of them.

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Um, and, uh.

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He just was like, great at bringing people together in different ways.

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Cool.

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So, um, Jason showed up at his house one day.

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We were all just hanging out, just like very casual, but he had his, his son holding him in his like forearm, which I very clearly remember.

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The football hold, the football hold.

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And that's the first time I met him and fast forward, you know, and then I, I kind of met him and, you know, whatever.

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But, uh, ended up playing with him.

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His son is now 20 to put things in perspective.

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Oh wow.

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And so, yeah, he now plays bass and you all that.

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He, we can hang out, you know.

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That's cool.

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That's cool.

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But, uh, so anyway, yeah.

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Group weed's been along around a long time.

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My, uh, the other marker for me is that, uh, Ben's first daughter, he was, they were pregnant with her when I played that new fest kick.

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So it was like two weeks after I'd been playing with him and as we finished, he got a call from his wife, like, I'm going into labor.

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Oh, wow.

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And so that day, that's a memorable way, maybe the next day, but I think it was biggest stage ever, perhaps for Musketeer, for one of, yeah.

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Bigger shows.

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We walked.

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And then, uh, he's like, I gotta go.

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It was his first kid.

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He was all like, you know, a little paralyzed with like, what's happening.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But anyway, so she is.

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14 if I'm doing my math right.

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Very cool.

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So that's as long as I've been playing with them.

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There you go.

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So that's a long story for that.

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All good.

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Let's, uh, your day job.

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Yeah.

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Let's talk about the workshop center a little bit.

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Yeah.

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Um, that is, has it always been at the location where it is now?

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Uh, we bounced around a little bit, so, um, you know, my background's in education.

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I, I worked for, uh, a couple community colleges and adult ed centers, uh, when I grew up in Columbus, Ohio.

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And I had lived in a couple places, moved back there and I was working there, uh, and then up moving out here.

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So I worked at Front Range and I worked at, um, I think like a couple things at ames and I was like a contract instructor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I was working other jobs, but um, I always got frustrated with what they were doing with Yeah.

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You just saw gaps in what they were providing kind of thing.

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Yeah, exactly.

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There's a lot of gaps.

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There was a lot of just, um, very slow moving to technology changes.

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Okay.

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They were always way behind the ball, which is still a problem.

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It's just.

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And now that I know more about why they are, it's, I, I understand it.

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Right.

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But, um, but a

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smaller, more nimble organization can really adapt and provide the training that you really need.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And we could do it very customized and very like personal.

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Yeah.

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Pretty affordable.

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Too affordable.

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I sent my staff, took some of your classes down there and made a big difference.

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Try to, and, but I think the, the, the niche and why we blasted so long is just really the in person and the kind of customization piece.

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So it's like a little more like having a mentor to learn these technology

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tools kind of guide through the process instead of here's the information, learn it if you want to, don't learn it if you don't want to.

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I don't care.

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I'm just

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Yeah.

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Here to deliver the goods.

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Here's, and, or, you know, watch a video and figure it out.

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Right, right.

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Like those, there's like a massively, uh, I shouldn't say massive, but the massive open online course.

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Sure.

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Rate of of completion is like less than 3% or something.

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Oh, really?

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People don't finish those.

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Oh, they're, you're not held accountable to anything.

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You're not even graded on a lot of those.

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Right.

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You know, they're just kinda like, pay for it, 10 bucks and then, or free or whatever.

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Or you've got a bit of

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a relationship with somebody and you're paying a, a more appropriate price.

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You can walk you through it and get you over those hurdles

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and you tend to see like way higher results, satisfaction, all those things.

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And I think that's held true for 19, almost 20 years now of doing that.

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Cool.

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Um, and uh, and what was

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the start like, talk to me about the, the inception, right?

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Because you're, you're hustling, you're, you know, you're in a band already, probably was Dead Floyd around yet, or, um,

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not yet at the time I moved out here for music.

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Okay.

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I, so I was in Columbus, I was teaching there.

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Playing music, but I moved out here with a, a mutual friend and um, uh, I just wanted to play more.

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Fort Collins was

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kind of an up and coming music town at the time I moved here Yeah.

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In 99.

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And it was really,

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yeah,

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it was really catching traction at that season.

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Yeah.

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It was kind of exciting.

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And, and I've been to Denver and I've been to like Southwest Colorado, but I moved to Fort Collins without ever, ever actually stepping.

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Same here.

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Foot here in the area.

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Same here.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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Sight unseen.

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And I just had kept hearing so many great things and I was like, well, if I don't like it, I'll just go to Denver.

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Right.

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Like, I, you know, that's the plan B.

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That's the plan B, or I'll keep going to California, like something.

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Right, right.

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But I was 23 or 24 or something like that.

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Uh, maybe 25.

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But, um, you know, I just figured like, what's the harm?

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I was not happy with what I was doing in Ohio, ready for a change.

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So I moved out here.

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Like I said, I worked at these different schools.

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I worked at, uh, I was a network operations manager, like very nerdy, terrible corporate job.

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It monkey it monkey.

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I was terrible, uh, for this company Love and I won't name.

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And then, um, uh, I, so I, again, I was working at these schools.

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I, I thought there was a niche.

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I started this ad of my house, just, uh, so this is, uh, oh six.

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Okay.

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You know, and so social media really hadn't taken off, right?

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Um.

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You know, I didn't have a huge budget for anything at the time.

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Right.

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So it was a lot of like, uh, hanging posters, gorilla Marketing Walls poster.

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Yeah.

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And posters, like poster Craigslist.

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I think

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wherever you hang the band flyers you also hang the digital Workshop center.

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Exactly.

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That's

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exactly what I was doing.

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And, but I was like meeting people like left and right and I was gonna a lot of networking groups chamber.

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Sure.

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Uh, there's one called Blue Lions I was a part of for a while.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Bob, uh, Bob Flynn from Green Ride was, yeah.

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That was a big part of their startup way back in the day.

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Yeah,

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I, I do remember him.

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Um, and um, and so I just kind of got a little bit of traction and.

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That just, you know, I didn't, I wasn't making much at the very beginning, but I would just kinda like put it back into the business.

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Yeah.

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And, and I was still, I was bartending here in town Okay.

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Playing music.

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That was really how I was making like, a living.

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Right.

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But this was like, oh, I think I could pursue this.

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And I had really never done anything like that.

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Was it classes?

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It was already training classes.

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You'd

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get six people signed up for this class that's coming up in a few weeks kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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And then you're bringing'em into your garage?

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Uh, I had,

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I had something like this.

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It was like a, an add-on to my house.

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Okay.

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It was like a, like an office with a separate door.

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Yeah.

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And it was easy for people to come in.

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I put a little tacky sign on the front chairs, blackboard.

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I had a couple, I had two desks in it and a little whatever, um, whiteboard and, uh, it was like, it was, I think I could fit three people in there, but it Oh wow.

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Was usually like two or three at the time.

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Mostly it was PRI private training, you know, and Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and everyone was looking for like similar things of like excel and, and uh, coding, which I knew and graphic design, which I know.

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And these like things that I personally knew.

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Yeah.

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And I just kinda made a list and I kept making this list and the list kept growing.

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And I was like, well, now I could, I could teach you WordPress, I could teach you how to do web development.

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Right.

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And the list got like, and I could teach you this

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if I teach myself

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how

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to

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do it first.

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Well, and, and I have been doing that for so long with like working at these schools where like I'm good enough at like learning programs where I could like sit down and learn one for the most part, even if I don't know it.

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I remember learning like 3D animation software, like fairly quickly as in like a couple weeks or something.

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Yeah.

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But like to make something really dinky, move around.

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But, uh, I just made this list.

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There was probably like 20 different things I could teach on.

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And then I, I start, I built my own website, I did my own marketing, I did my own graphics.

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'cause I knew how to do all that.

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Right.

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So I didn't spend any money on that.

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Yep.

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I was very low budget to get started.

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And then, you know, and then social media hits, right.

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And then social media comes.

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Yeah.

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So the first year and a half really was like.

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Does this have, you know, can this work?

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Is there anything here?

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Just figuring it out.

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And then I think a year and a half to two years in, I was like, you know what?

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I think I gotta go for it.

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Like, there's something there.

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Yeah.

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I started meeting with like the SBDC people and getting some ideas and, um, I, I took out a little bit of money from my own savings and put it in, and then I was kind of off and running and so we went, um, I was, I was a bartender at, uh, cafe Vino.

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Okay.

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And I don't remember if I'd met you there or something.

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Didn't you work in the building or am I thinking No,

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I was in that building from time to time.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I don't know.

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I thought I met you there.

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I might, might have.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Um, and I would, um, uh, I made a deal with the owner who's not.

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We're not necessarily friends anymore, but, um, I won't say anything bad, but, um, everybody knows who does anyway.

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Yeah.

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He's a character.

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Um, but he needed a lot of website help and I said, sure, I can.

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I do a little trade, I'll do your websites, I'll your website, gimme a place to, and he had this classes, these great classroom conference room areas in the basement.

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The basement, yeah.

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So he would give free space.

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Nice.

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You know, I was for trade, so I set up these classes, then I started getting like, contracts with the city, Fort Collins that came, er county, um, a bunch of Loco agencies.

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They're like, we keep

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hiring these people, but they don't know how to do anything.

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Yeah.

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Uh, can you fix'em up for us?

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Yeah.

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And I mean, it was like, so mom and pop at this point because, um, I, the first time I got hired and it was like, city for Collins.

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They're like, yeah, we have 12 people.

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They wanna learn whatever it was.

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I don't know.

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Excel is, say just an example.

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And I was like, great.

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You know, so I was a teacher.

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But I also didn't have 12 computers, so I went to CSU surplus.

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Yeah.

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Have you ever been there?

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's fun.

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But have a website.

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I'd actually never been to the actual accident.

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It's like a garage of old junk.

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Right, right.

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People.

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But, but they have old computers.

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Right.

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So again, I know how to build computers, so I just kinda like grabbed the parts.

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I put together 12 computers for very cheap, um, 12 old CRT monitors, the big ones.

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Right.

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I lugged all the stuff downstairs into that basement of the Cafe Vio and set it all up, did the training, took it all with me.

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I did that like a handful of times and then I got real annoyed.

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It was like, this is dumb, right?

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I need my own space.

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I spent two hours, like setting up and tearing down every time.

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It was like ridiculous.

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And I remember,'cause I was still working upstairs, so like some of the other people who I worked with were be like, what the heck are you doing?

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Carry all monitors.

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I like carry, I'm like, literally, you know, I've got a cart.

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I'm like, don't, don't worry about it.

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I'm doing something else.

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And I'm like, I gotta deal with, with, you know, so and so downstairs.

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And, uh, but I started making like real money and then I was like.

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All right.

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See you cafe.

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You know I'm out.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, you know, music has always been a part of my life, so I still play.

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Uh, and I was still able to, you know, piece together enough to make pay the bills.

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But, um, that was the beginning.

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And then we moved to 3, 2, 4, or, um, sorry, 4 1 2 House, which is where like the US Bank, there's across the parking lot from US Bank.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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We were there for a while.

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That was an interesting experience.

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The, there was a psychologist above us, and it's a very old building, and you could hear everything through the, oh gosh.

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I was like, how is this possible?

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But,'cause we were there first and then she comes later, six months after year after we were there, and she moved in and she's very loud voice and I could hear everything she was saying.

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And I kept saying, I, I, first day I was like.

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This is, well, I don't wanna hear it.

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I heard, you know, there's women crying about their person lives.

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Right.

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And

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this counselor, of course, telling the women to divorce their husbands.

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'cause that's what they do do.

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Pretty much.

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But it, it was awful.

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And so we, we had a big, we were like, it was like so much tension in the building every time I walked in.

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Like, we hated each other because Oh gosh.

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I was like, please stop.

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And she's like, no, I won't stop.

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Uh, so we were there for a while.

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It was okay.

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It was, you know, nice enough space.

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Yeah.

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And then we ended up moving to, um, where we are now, so that we've been there 10 plus years actually.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that was, uh, Jenny and Brett's space for their, and it still is Yeah.

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Business.

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Yeah.

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They're your landlords.

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Yeah.

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Um, Jenny was a, a prospect facilitator and I actually did a little bit of consulting business with Brett way back in the day.

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Oh, cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Super nice people.

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They're awesome.

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They are good.

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Cheers.

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If you listen to this.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yep.

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Um, always been very good to me.

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Very nice.

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Um, they have a nice family.

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They, they just, uh, are very.

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Uh, reasonable.

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Yeah.

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Honest people, which I actually is hard to find.

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What's Jenny's

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daughter's name?

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Uh, I

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remember she did some of my first marketing materials as a little contract thing.

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Uh, like a brochure and a flyer or something like that.

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Way, way back.

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I should know.

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And I'm sorry that I don't, doesn't You are listening.

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I'm very sorry.

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Uh, she is, I think three kids now.

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Sam, Sam is the boy.

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Sam.

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Sam boy.

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Hey Sam.

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If you're listening to this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Anyway, man.

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Um, yeah, but so they, so I'm in again, really weird way.

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I, I'm meeting him.

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He's probably a man by now, actually, I suppose.

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Yeah.

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He's like a college 30 ish or 25.

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He's, yeah, he's, so it goes a grown man, but I was, so, I was also, um.

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Because of the workshop I was invited to, to write for the Colorado one.

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Mm.

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An article about it called like Tech Trends, I think is the type it was.

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Sure.

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And, uh, don't wanna say anything negative about that paper, but it was not my favorite.

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Um, but they asked me and I was like, okay, maybe I could add some value to this paper.

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You know, maybe egoistical on that one, but Right, right.

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Um, they were like, yeah, keep to like 400 words.

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It's like, well that's not a lot.

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You know, like, I was like, oh God.

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It was like supposed to be a little snippet column.

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Right, right.

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When it was still being printed.

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And, um, but so I, I just wrote like very entry level stuff that I could think of, you know, like why is Excel important?

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You know, like what is a website or something?

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What people would not know that word.

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Uh, what's thing?

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WordPress.

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WordPress.

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WordPress.

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Yeah.

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That WordPress can do you Right.

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I, so

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it was, yeah, it was really aimed at like entry level beginners.

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But I wrote a couple about like, QuickBooks and, you know, I, I was using that for the business'cause I knew that too.

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And, um, um.

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Someone saw that and or, or Brett saw that, or I dunno how he got it.

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But anyway, and so.

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I had said something in there about, uh, you know, this is what we do, do classes.

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You know, it's like a little blurb at the bottom.

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Yeah.

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And he, uh, reached out and was like, Hey, if you ever need space, I got all this space here.

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And it was like the most like perfect.

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Well, and he was universe, financial,

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software, sales kind of world.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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E rrp when that was first a thing,

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I think, and I think, you know, Brad, if you're listening, you could say yes or no, but, um, I think he was maybe thinking there's like a partnership synergy there maybe.

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Yeah.

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Like I could send him some business.

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You do

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QuickBooks when they grow big enough, you can sell'em to higher price stuff kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Um, which was not true, but, uh Right.

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Almost nobody graduates from QuickBooks to the next level.

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Well, the people I was, I'm dealing with are, you know Yeah.

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Very onesies.

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Very, yeah.

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Low level here.

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Um, maybe in 10 years they'll be buying your stuff, but he probably saw something there.

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So he reached out to me.

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But that was right when I was having one those issues with that pest, uh, tenant.

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Gotcha.

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I ended up moving in with, um, or going over there.

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He had all this empty space.

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So yeah, it worked out great.

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Yeah.

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That's probably like, you probably hadn't been there for too long when you and I.

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Really got connected.

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I think you might be right, like we met a little sooner than that, but

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yeah, I don't remember.

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I, I started hitting you up

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for loco think tank probably circa 2014.

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Well, I, I think I met you before that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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Um,'cause I know you did the food truck for a minute, and then what'd you do after that?

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Um, Loco.

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Is this, I was a banker first.

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You, you might have met me when I was still, still just a regular old small business banker out networking in the community.

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Like you were trying to build your business, you know, maybe Yeah.

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But, um, or at a, at a muca show.

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At a show, yeah.

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Maybe Right.

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Or something.

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Or Dead Floyd show, by the way, I, uh, I've got my oldest t-shirt in my inventory on in honor of this Ah, nice.

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Circa 1994.

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Nice.

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Uh, very cool.

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It's still in very good classic condition.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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Is that like a tour shirt kind?

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Uh, no, no.

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Just a, just a fun shirt from the record store when I was a sophomore in college.

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Hell yeah.

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First finding my band legs, weed, smoking interest and stuff like that.

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Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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That's awesome.

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Um, it's Your Honor.

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Oh, thank you.

00:19:35.303 --> 00:19:40.462
I have kept a few of my old t-shirts that are like so beat up and my wife is constantly like, get'em outta my house.

00:19:41.242 --> 00:19:41.542
Like, why?

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I had the, the, what are you keeping these for?

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I'm like, nost.

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Uh, yeah.

00:19:45.173 --> 00:19:50.303
Dead shirt from way back in the day when Lithuania made it to the, you know, Olympics and got third place I believe.

00:19:50.307 --> 00:19:52.762
And they sponsored the uni uniform and they sponsored all their uni unis for'em.

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'cause Lithuania didn't have any money.

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'cause they were a post-Soviet block kind of thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Uh, I finally threw that one away a couple years ago.

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It was, it had so many holes at it.

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Some of'em are so gross.

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I,

00:20:02.393 --> 00:20:10.462
I get why she wants me to throw him out, but like, it's like nostalgia and we have a little kid, I'm like, I wanna give him my, you know, awesome Dead and fish and other tour shirts and stuff.

00:20:10.762 --> 00:20:11.603
His Zeppelin shirt.

00:20:11.603 --> 00:20:12.472
That lasted quite a few

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years too, but, so it goes.

00:20:15.173 --> 00:20:19.462
Um, so where did the CSU stuff come in?

00:20:19.462 --> 00:20:24.532
Was that already going before, like after you left front range kind of, or were you doing dabbling in both?

00:20:24.623 --> 00:20:25.252
Um, yeah.

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I guess you said 11 years at C ssu now 11 years.

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Yeah.

00:20:28.042 --> 00:20:29.363
Well, 2014 ish too.

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Yep.

00:20:29.692 --> 00:20:32.182
A good segue from that exact same reason, which.

00:20:32.962 --> 00:20:38.303
The, the dumbest Little Tech Trends article there again, like really, it was from that same reason.

00:20:38.303 --> 00:20:38.603
I know.

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It's like

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you're like that stupid paper with that stupid article of four oh words that I couldn't add any value to anybody, but it changed

00:20:44.873 --> 00:20:45.448
my life twice.

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It definitely like did.

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It did, it did.

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And it's actually, you know, like a thing I've learned in business, like the dumbest little things you think like that aren't dumb, you know, and they actually are the ones that like somehow come back around.

00:20:55.192 --> 00:20:56.722
So yeah, I never take those for granted.

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Uh, but yeah, I wrote one about.

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Graphic design trend or something, and I don't remember what it was, but it was something about design and marketing, how important it's to learn, design.

00:21:05.738 --> 00:21:07.538
This 20, yeah, 14 ish, right?

00:21:08.018 --> 00:21:10.448
Uh, maybe 13, 12 or something in there.

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But it was enough that the dean at the time, his name was Ken Manning, saw it.

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Reached out.

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Right.

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And was like, Hey, we've been talking here at CSU about having a class on, uh, design for marketing students.

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Yeah.

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Could you help us put one together?

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Cool.

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I was like, yeah, we got this great curriculum at Digital Workshop Center.

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That would be perfect.

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It's basically like I have a Photoshop series, I have an Illustrator series.

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Yeah.

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And I think what you're asking is you just took those two and kind of mashed'em together.

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That would be like a college semester of hours.

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And I think I could like, make something cool for you guys.

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Yeah.

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Um, I'll write up a curriculum.

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'cause I got a lot of experience writing the curriculums.

00:21:45.208 --> 00:21:48.208
And so we spent a while, you know, six months, whatever, putting this together.

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He goes, gets it approved as like experimental class of like 4 92 was the original number.

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Okay.

00:21:53.607 --> 00:21:55.018
And, uh, I was like, awesome.

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And he paid me for the time to do the curriculum development.

00:21:57.268 --> 00:21:57.478
Cool.

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And, uh, you know, and then I, he said.

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So are you gonna be the one to teach it?

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And I was like, no.

00:22:04.928 --> 00:22:06.307
I was like, I don't wanna teach this thing.

00:22:06.307 --> 00:22:08.077
And I was like, I got a whole day job.

00:22:08.077 --> 00:22:08.768
I got all these commitments.

00:22:09.968 --> 00:22:11.978
I was like, that wasn't what I was expecting here.

00:22:11.978 --> 00:22:13.417
I was expecting, let's just draw it up for you.

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He's like, well, I don't have anybody to teach it.

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Can you do it for one semester?

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And I was like, all right.

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And he made it worth my while.

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Yeah.

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You know, and as a contract instructor you can get paid.

00:22:22.117 --> 00:22:22.508
Okay.

00:22:22.538 --> 00:22:29.768
And, um, and then, yeah, and uh, every couple years I've come back and been like, you need to like, make it more worth my while.

00:22:30.218 --> 00:22:33.758
Like this is, and they can't do a lot'cause there's like certain limits by Sure.

00:22:33.817 --> 00:22:34.897
You know, they're handcuffed a little bit.

00:22:34.897 --> 00:22:36.127
Well, and you're probably teaching

00:22:36.127 --> 00:22:41.288
different things a little bit, or at least the technology has changed or is it still kind of that combination of design and

00:22:41.377 --> 00:22:44.948
it's, it's still, it is still that, but it's certainly changed.

00:22:44.948 --> 00:22:50.087
It used to be very, um, Photoshop and like Photoshop editing heavy because that was.

00:22:51.383 --> 00:22:51.952
More fun.

00:22:51.952 --> 00:22:57.347
The leading edge tech at the time, kind of Well, and just like it, it took more to learn, in my opinion of the, at the time.

00:22:57.347 --> 00:22:57.627
Mm-hmm.

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So I had to like pick one or the others like do I wanna spend more time teaching Photoshop or Illustrator?

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I can't teach you everything about both.

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Yeah.

00:23:03.653 --> 00:23:06.353
So I used to pick Photoshop and it has changed.

00:23:06.353 --> 00:23:11.512
And the fact that there's so much technology around, just like you wanna remove a background, you just click a button.

00:23:11.663 --> 00:23:13.403
If you want to select someone, you just click a button.

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Like it's gotten so good.

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Like you don't need to learn the tools.

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You wanna remove

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your ex-girlfriend from this picture at Cabo.

00:23:18.712 --> 00:23:18.923
Yeah.

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Boom, she's gone.

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And it really is that easy now.

00:23:22.222 --> 00:23:24.323
And so that's changed the curriculum.

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'cause now it's definitely more illustrated for this.

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It's could look weird while you're

00:23:26.393 --> 00:23:28.073
standing like this with your arm out here.

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But yeah,

00:23:30.083 --> 00:23:30.182
she's gone.

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I, I think like, you know, Ava was out there using Canva, like you can do a lot with Canva and it's very acceptable for most people.

00:23:36.698 --> 00:23:37.327
Um, yeah.

00:23:37.327 --> 00:23:37.417
And

00:23:37.417 --> 00:23:42.788
Ava was taking your class, she, I know when she started at Loco, uh, about 18 months ago, or 16 months ago now.

00:23:42.788 --> 00:23:42.907
Sorry.

00:23:42.907 --> 00:23:42.968
I'm

00:23:42.968 --> 00:23:44.798
gonna give her more grief about the Photoshop.

00:23:44.798 --> 00:23:45.788
How did she do in your class?

00:23:45.788 --> 00:23:46.508
Was she a good student?

00:23:46.923 --> 00:23:47.212
Okay.

00:23:48.337 --> 00:23:49.178
I don't remember.

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I don't,

00:23:49.778 --> 00:23:51.907
she actually had low attendance rates.

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I got a B plus.

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B plus.

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There you go.

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B plus.

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Okay.

00:23:54.923 --> 00:23:55.893
Illustrator got

00:23:55.893 --> 00:23:56.053
me.

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It was real Illustrator is harder, I guess, for some, but it's more useful in terms of graphic design.

00:24:01.807 --> 00:24:02.167
I think.

00:24:02.678 --> 00:24:07.238
I will say, if you just do the work in that class, every I've, I've heard all the kinds of mixed opinions.

00:24:07.238 --> 00:24:10.928
Like, it, it, it's a very, I hated those kinds of attainable class.

00:24:10.928 --> 00:24:12.613
Like you have to that too.

00:24:12.617 --> 00:24:13.022
Like I, I,

00:24:13.022 --> 00:24:17.798
I had a really, most classes I could just sit and listen to the lecture, take the notes, yeah.

00:24:17.798 --> 00:24:19.087
And then go ace the test.

00:24:19.087 --> 00:24:22.688
But like accounting and calculus and probably illustrator.

00:24:22.928 --> 00:24:23.167
Yeah.

00:24:23.198 --> 00:24:27.307
Are those kind of things where you actually gotta do the homework to learn it proper.

00:24:27.367 --> 00:24:27.667
Yeah.

00:24:27.728 --> 00:24:31.057
And it's, it's, um, it's very subjective, right?

00:24:31.057 --> 00:24:32.137
So there's it's design.

00:24:32.137 --> 00:24:33.157
So like I'm saying.

00:24:33.502 --> 00:24:39.413
Hey, you work for a, uh, you know, a landscape company, go make me a logo and a, and a flyer, whatever it is.

00:24:39.712 --> 00:24:39.952
Sure.

00:24:40.012 --> 00:24:47.692
Like I'm, I try to be fairly lenient, but there's like a list of things like you have to do, you know, like you have to kind of get in the right format, the right size, the right this, that.

00:24:47.692 --> 00:24:47.813
Yeah.

00:24:48.623 --> 00:24:54.863
Uh, and so in terms of what's being graded, I've heard it's like a harsh grade where I'm like, well, it's like a checklist.

00:24:54.863 --> 00:24:55.432
I, I do this.

00:24:55.432 --> 00:24:57.712
You got only seven outta 10.

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Yeah.

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And so I can only give you a C do.

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Yeah.

00:25:00.712 --> 00:25:03.742
So I, someone just introduced me to rate my professor there.

00:25:03.742 --> 00:25:03.893
Damn.

00:25:03.893 --> 00:25:04.913
I'm sure he even knows what that is.

00:25:05.663 --> 00:25:07.462
How you did you do now?

00:25:07.468 --> 00:25:07.688
Yeah.

00:25:08.093 --> 00:25:08.333
Yeah.

00:25:08.512 --> 00:25:09.502
You got some lists out there.

00:25:09.502 --> 00:25:14.363
Well, I did and I was, and I, that's some from 2012 or whenever we started at 13, whatever.

00:25:14.363 --> 00:25:18.742
I don't, and uh, I guess it was 14, but, um.

00:25:19.357 --> 00:25:21.938
It was like, this class is too hard, too hard.

00:25:21.998 --> 00:25:22.208
Yeah.

00:25:22.238 --> 00:25:23.468
Too much grading and this and that.

00:25:23.468 --> 00:25:26.377
And then like, progressively gets better I think.

00:25:26.407 --> 00:25:26.708
Right.

00:25:26.708 --> 00:25:30.188
And there's been some recent ones I think that are like, oh, this is actually really fun, pretty useful.

00:25:30.218 --> 00:25:32.498
Um, but most of them are, seem like they're like negative.

00:25:32.498 --> 00:25:35.887
So I guess, I dunno how many people go out there and put positive reviews, period.

00:25:35.887 --> 00:25:36.067
But

00:25:36.157 --> 00:25:39.278
talk to me about, um, trends in tech now.

00:25:39.278 --> 00:25:49.327
I mean, the last two years of tech has seen us be like, oh, this chat GPT Model three or whatever is actually useful for the first time.

00:25:49.387 --> 00:25:49.597
Yeah.

00:25:49.958 --> 00:25:51.123
Uh, and now we've got like.

00:25:52.508 --> 00:25:55.417
When are the robots gonna take control, you know?

00:25:56.018 --> 00:26:01.478
Well, it's, it's a, a wild rollercoaster that I, I don't have any crystal balls on.

00:26:01.538 --> 00:26:01.748
Sure.

00:26:01.748 --> 00:26:11.647
I get asked this question all the time, and I did a talk at the Workforce Symposium this year about something similar, like what's the, uh, the future of tech or something, and it's like, well, here's what I see and what I know.

00:26:11.678 --> 00:26:11.798
Right.

00:26:11.798 --> 00:26:17.917
But I definitely not, I've got one lens out of many thousands of potential perspectives and go and talk to people who are way deeper in ai.

00:26:17.917 --> 00:26:20.048
And I think they would've a much different per perspective.

00:26:20.048 --> 00:26:33.847
But it sure seems to me that, um, a lot of like white collar jobs, repetitive type of jobs, uh, are going to go away because for that exact reason they're repetitive.

00:26:33.847 --> 00:26:33.938
Right.

00:26:33.938 --> 00:26:35.528
And anything, anything, going back.

00:26:36.053 --> 00:26:39.772
A very long time before the buzzword of AI has existed, you go back for, you know.

00:26:39.778 --> 00:26:39.857
Mm-hmm.

00:26:39.938 --> 00:26:42.803
So the internet came around in, in mid nineties, let's say.

00:26:43.103 --> 00:26:43.313
Yep.

00:26:43.373 --> 00:26:47.512
When things figured, people figured out how to code something in a script to make it go in a loop.

00:26:48.022 --> 00:26:48.202
Right.

00:26:48.202 --> 00:26:52.673
That was like the beginning, like, oh, I could be more efficient about, you know, how to make this work.

00:26:52.673 --> 00:26:52.942
Right.

00:26:53.633 --> 00:26:55.103
And that's still the trend and lightly

00:26:55.133 --> 00:26:59.712
automations, you know, when this happens, then do this thing and that doesn't if this, then that.

00:26:59.712 --> 00:26:59.932
Right.

00:26:59.932 --> 00:26:59.942
Right.

00:27:00.173 --> 00:27:01.313
There's a website to that.

00:27:01.343 --> 00:27:02.542
Zapier is built to that.

00:27:02.573 --> 00:27:05.063
It's totally like, that's, that's been around for a while.

00:27:05.063 --> 00:27:05.752
monday.com.

00:27:05.752 --> 00:27:06.292
But yeah.

00:27:06.893 --> 00:27:12.593
Uh, it's now being, uh, marketed differently so people are like absorbing this differently.

00:27:12.597 --> 00:27:12.617
Mm-hmm.

00:27:12.702 --> 00:27:18.833
And it's also becoming available to the masses where that wasn't necessarily true or you had to pay a subscription, which is crazy

00:27:18.833 --> 00:27:22.133
that it's still kind of largely free or a light subscription.

00:27:22.252 --> 00:27:22.313
Yeah.

00:27:22.972 --> 00:27:28.823
Um, but the cost of doing like a grok query versus a Google search.

00:27:29.228 --> 00:27:31.778
Is like 10 times as much per second.

00:27:31.778 --> 00:27:32.018
Right.

00:27:32.018 --> 00:27:34.147
Or something like, or the medium for them.

00:27:34.153 --> 00:27:34.292
Yeah.

00:27:34.298 --> 00:27:34.748
Yeah.

00:27:34.748 --> 00:27:39.732
Oh, like the, the, the, the, the compute power necessary to run those AI engines is, it's insane.

00:27:39.738 --> 00:27:41.827
10 times as much as running the Yeah.

00:27:41.887 --> 00:27:44.077
Simple algorithms that Google's been running off forever.

00:27:44.077 --> 00:27:44.137
Yeah.

00:27:44.167 --> 00:27:44.857
It's insane.

00:27:44.857 --> 00:27:45.127
Yeah.

00:27:45.127 --> 00:27:56.137
And, and so there's a, a breaking point coming, I think where I, I do think those jobs are at serious risk that's already been kind of shown and is already happening, and white collar, repetitive work, white collar, repetitive work.

00:27:56.137 --> 00:28:05.377
So that could be all the way up to like, you know, the C level, like executive assistant and well even like people who are, uh, more in um, yeah.

00:28:05.377 --> 00:28:06.637
Chief Information Officer, right?

00:28:06.637 --> 00:28:06.998
Yeah.

00:28:07.083 --> 00:28:07.373
Yeah.

00:28:07.373 --> 00:28:07.583
Something like.

00:28:08.228 --> 00:28:09.698
I, I think anyone who's doing monitor the,

00:28:09.698 --> 00:28:10.988
the, the, yeah.

00:28:10.992 --> 00:28:14.827
If you watch anyone and you look at your tasks and you're like, you do the same thing all the time.

00:28:14.827 --> 00:28:21.788
It, it, it, there's a, and I've been saying this to my staff for forever of, if you're repeating yourself, please tell me.

00:28:21.847 --> 00:28:21.938
Right.

00:28:21.938 --> 00:28:23.167
Let's find a way for you not to.

00:28:23.198 --> 00:28:23.498
Right.

00:28:23.498 --> 00:28:27.488
'cause there's probably a way, and that's been going on for 20 years of, of me being at the workshop.

00:28:27.518 --> 00:28:27.817
Yeah.

00:28:28.268 --> 00:28:38.528
Um, but now with generative ai, you're certainly seeing content being created and that's what's like, wholly different, right?

00:28:38.528 --> 00:28:43.208
Like the automation pieces, the, the intelligence of automation has been around for a long time.

00:28:43.208 --> 00:28:43.387
Totally.

00:28:43.387 --> 00:28:51.667
That's not necessarily new, but it's, it's bigger and better, um, to come up with content, like the language models can do.

00:28:51.667 --> 00:28:51.998
Totally.

00:28:52.178 --> 00:28:54.008
Is, um, yeah.

00:28:54.008 --> 00:28:55.448
I could totally a wild west of

00:28:55.478 --> 00:28:59.407
like, you've probably read my blogs, I just suspect you're on my newsletter list, right?

00:28:59.438 --> 00:28:59.557
Yeah.

00:28:59.557 --> 00:29:01.417
Occasionally you read my blogs are usually too long.

00:29:01.478 --> 00:29:01.688
Yeah.

00:29:01.928 --> 00:29:06.577
Um, but I could literally just say, Hey, grok, or chat, or whatever.

00:29:07.163 --> 00:29:13.792
Write me a 4,000 ish word blog, uh, with the title of this.

00:29:13.853 --> 00:29:18.262
And I want the content to be something along the lines of this and read all my past shit.

00:29:18.383 --> 00:29:18.653
Yeah.

00:29:18.712 --> 00:29:21.647
And put it in my voice and give it a tone of whatever and, yeah.

00:29:21.647 --> 00:29:21.807
Yeah.

00:29:22.643 --> 00:29:25.042
And I've so far refuse to do that because it just seems,

00:29:25.883 --> 00:29:26.482
it's like cheating.

00:29:26.573 --> 00:29:26.962
Cheating.

00:29:27.053 --> 00:29:27.262
Yeah.

00:29:27.718 --> 00:29:28.008
Yeah.

00:29:28.103 --> 00:29:31.222
Um, I've certainly done it to find out like, how good is it?

00:29:31.282 --> 00:29:32.692
And it's shockingly good.

00:29:32.813 --> 00:29:33.053
Yeah.

00:29:33.083 --> 00:29:34.163
It makes a ton of mistakes.

00:29:34.163 --> 00:29:35.303
So let's put a huge asterisk.

00:29:35.303 --> 00:29:36.053
Like you'll be Yeah.

00:29:36.053 --> 00:29:37.133
Better have really dumb Yeah.

00:29:37.133 --> 00:29:37.613
To just copy.

00:29:37.613 --> 00:29:38.603
Don't say published.

00:29:39.292 --> 00:29:39.887
That would be stupid.

00:29:40.972 --> 00:29:54.833
Um, I haven't found that kind of used to be as effective, but like today I was, I was using it because I've been redoing different phrases of just like on, on our program pages, on our website, you know, so again, I still do all the website stuff for Okay, digital workshop.

00:29:55.522 --> 00:30:00.232
And, um, on each certificate program page, there's like a little tagline of, you know, whatever.

00:30:00.262 --> 00:30:03.353
And they are just, they, I felt like they needed a refresh.

00:30:03.353 --> 00:30:04.613
Some of them felt outta date.

00:30:04.702 --> 00:30:04.913
Yeah.

00:30:05.333 --> 00:30:06.173
So I put it in there.

00:30:06.173 --> 00:30:08.153
I was like, gimme five variations and why?

00:30:08.182 --> 00:30:10.012
And, and yeah.

00:30:10.222 --> 00:30:12.143
Four seconds later, many of them were very good.

00:30:12.143 --> 00:30:12.323
Yeah.

00:30:12.383 --> 00:30:15.682
And they were, it gave like, this is people centric, this is design focused.

00:30:15.712 --> 00:30:15.833
Right.

00:30:15.833 --> 00:30:17.123
This is corporate focused.

00:30:17.123 --> 00:30:23.002
And it was like, that's pretty spot on with the way you're using the language, but they're, we're talking about like a sentence or two.

00:30:23.123 --> 00:30:23.452
Right.

00:30:23.512 --> 00:30:27.772
So I felt like that was actually really helpful and it felt like a little assistant to like, bounce ideas off of.

00:30:27.772 --> 00:30:27.893
But

00:30:27.893 --> 00:30:31.613
actually writing an original 4,000 word blog is probably less.

00:30:32.212 --> 00:30:32.752
Thoughtful, well,

00:30:32.782 --> 00:30:35.843
less thoughtful, and it's gonna be very generic, right?

00:30:35.873 --> 00:30:36.952
You're gonna come across a lot.

00:30:37.012 --> 00:30:39.772
Although again, it keeps getting better'cause it can do the research, right.

00:30:39.893 --> 00:30:42.262
Uh, but the, but it'll make mistakes.

00:30:42.292 --> 00:30:44.843
And so I think there, there's that.

00:30:44.873 --> 00:30:52.643
I, but I think writing as a, as a general students, I mean, I, I don't have a class that people can do that as much.

00:30:52.643 --> 00:30:57.682
There's, um, definitely a generative AI piece to the Adobe tools.

00:30:57.712 --> 00:30:57.923
Sure.

00:30:57.982 --> 00:31:01.792
You can do that and say like, build me a logo for a landscape company.

00:31:01.823 --> 00:31:02.123
Right.

00:31:02.123 --> 00:31:04.702
And it will spit something out that's probably not bad.

00:31:04.762 --> 00:31:05.123
Right.

00:31:05.182 --> 00:31:06.772
But it also usually isn't great.

00:31:06.923 --> 00:31:07.192
Right.

00:31:07.192 --> 00:31:12.022
You know, and so, uh, that keeps, it just, it keeps getting better at this like ridiculous speed.

00:31:12.053 --> 00:31:12.113
Yeah.

00:31:12.113 --> 00:31:22.397
So I think that is the, the, the best thing I've heard is really from like, people like Mark Cuban who have talked about how if you're coming outta college as, you know, a younger person, right.

00:31:23.048 --> 00:31:26.018
Learn everything you can about all the AI tools, right?

00:31:26.048 --> 00:31:30.038
Because if you're competitive, you know, these, these jobs are going away.

00:31:30.038 --> 00:31:30.097
Yeah.

00:31:30.127 --> 00:31:33.188
So should be smaller markets of, of potential jobs.

00:31:33.248 --> 00:31:41.798
Um, but if you can leverage those tools, if you can leverage those tools and you're going after a job and you are here saying, I know all the traditional skills and I know the, the new AI tools Yep.

00:31:41.948 --> 00:31:44.857
Next to someone who doesn't, you're just a way better candidate.

00:31:44.917 --> 00:31:45.097
Right.

00:31:45.097 --> 00:31:49.327
And that's, again, been true for a long time, but how to leverage those tools is pretty key.

00:31:49.327 --> 00:31:50.228
It's still being discovered.

00:31:50.228 --> 00:31:52.867
Still being discovered, and every industry has a different one.

00:31:53.018 --> 00:31:53.107
Right.

00:31:53.107 --> 00:31:56.107
That's, that's seems to rise to the top now.

00:31:56.107 --> 00:32:01.837
Like chat GBT gets all the, uh, headlines and credit because of how much it's kind of taken popularity.

00:32:02.587 --> 00:32:06.728
Um, it's got the best like open ai, uh, language model.

00:32:06.728 --> 00:32:06.968
Right.

00:32:06.972 --> 00:32:07.002
Right.

00:32:07.008 --> 00:32:09.248
So people are like basically using that and Yep.

00:32:09.252 --> 00:32:09.323
Yep.

00:32:09.337 --> 00:32:10.958
Um, but, but it also

00:32:10.958 --> 00:32:11.288
is.

00:32:12.262 --> 00:32:18.863
Like kind of woke kind of weird, you know, it's given us black George Washingtons and shit like that.

00:32:18.923 --> 00:32:21.262
And like, it's bizarre.

00:32:21.323 --> 00:32:22.002
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:22.313 --> 00:32:23.782
And so truth matters.

00:32:24.353 --> 00:32:25.373
Uh, yeah, I think so.

00:32:25.373 --> 00:32:25.522
And

00:32:25.522 --> 00:32:30.472
the sources and the, well ultimately does the AI love humans,

00:32:30.563 --> 00:32:30.847
uh, uh,

00:32:31.522 --> 00:32:32.962
you know, and think we're awesome.

00:32:32.992 --> 00:32:33.022
I,

00:32:33.472 --> 00:32:35.093
well, you know, or annoying.

00:32:35.097 --> 00:32:45.323
That's, that's getting way deeper into the weeds on that topic, but I think as a language model, it's, it's going to be able to speak as good as we can at Yeah.

00:32:45.383 --> 00:32:45.923
Already age for sure.

00:32:46.073 --> 00:32:46.373
Really.

00:32:46.492 --> 00:32:47.272
But, you know, I was

00:32:47.272 --> 00:32:56.452
thinking the other day, like I saw the post recently about, uh, Elon posting about how the optimist robots will soon be better surgeons than the best surgeons that we have.

00:32:56.452 --> 00:32:59.603
And so, yeah, like cost of medicine should be way down.

00:32:59.603 --> 00:33:02.692
You can just, well have a robot to treat your village or whatever.

00:33:02.692 --> 00:33:02.903
Yeah.

00:33:02.903 --> 00:33:06.053
We'll, they'll find a way to make, keep us surf somehow anyway.

00:33:06.472 --> 00:33:06.952
Um, but.

00:33:08.708 --> 00:33:13.803
You know, like, uh, I listen to Mike Rose podcast pretty regular, and he's all about the trades and mm-hmm.

00:33:13.988 --> 00:33:21.188
You know, building more roofers and htt and, but if, but if optimist robots can be surgeons, certainly they can also become a plumber.

00:33:21.458 --> 00:33:22.087
Oh my gosh.

00:33:22.087 --> 00:33:22.238
Yeah.

00:33:22.238 --> 00:33:22.567
Right.

00:33:22.807 --> 00:33:23.768
Well, you would think so.

00:33:23.768 --> 00:33:25.958
There's so many variables in that particular scenario.

00:33:25.958 --> 00:33:32.917
Whereas if you think about a surgery room, and I can speak to this a little bit, not like this much because my wife's an OR nurse and they, they use robots like crazy.

00:33:32.948 --> 00:33:33.278
Yeah.

00:33:33.548 --> 00:33:35.827
And so, but think about it like a surgery room.

00:33:35.827 --> 00:33:36.938
It's so prescribed.

00:33:36.998 --> 00:33:37.538
Right.

00:33:37.542 --> 00:33:38.563
It's always the same personally here.

00:33:39.153 --> 00:33:39.442
They,

00:33:39.502 --> 00:33:45.817
and they do this, it's not this plumbing system that somebody built in 1907 that got remodeled in 1933.

00:33:45.817 --> 00:33:46.327
Exactly.

00:33:46.778 --> 00:33:47.948
But like, um.

00:33:48.698 --> 00:33:49.268
But angles.

00:33:49.268 --> 00:33:51.397
Or angles, but like building a new one

00:33:51.488 --> 00:33:51.938
Right.

00:33:52.508 --> 00:33:53.018
Possible.

00:33:53.048 --> 00:33:58.357
You know, and there's already the ai, or not ai, but the, um, uh, uh, what's the 3D printers Sure.

00:33:58.357 --> 00:33:59.018
Is what I'm trying to think of.

00:33:59.077 --> 00:33:59.288
Yep.

00:33:59.498 --> 00:34:00.817
Uh, that can build whole houses.

00:34:00.877 --> 00:34:01.147
Yeah.

00:34:01.147 --> 00:34:01.597
Have you seen those?

00:34:01.627 --> 00:34:01.718
Yeah.

00:34:01.718 --> 00:34:03.518
Put a 3D printer on an optimist robot.

00:34:03.518 --> 00:34:05.738
You can just create the plumbing Yeah.

00:34:05.738 --> 00:34:06.938
Turn that you need.

00:34:06.938 --> 00:34:07.357
Exactly.

00:34:07.417 --> 00:34:08.077
Uh, right there.

00:34:08.077 --> 00:34:11.407
Just you go this many steps this way, this many steps this way.

00:34:11.407 --> 00:34:12.367
We have the blueprint.

00:34:12.518 --> 00:34:14.498
We know exactly where the hole like Yeah.

00:34:14.503 --> 00:34:19.088
If you could prescribe it that well and have it be that like, uh, perfectly dictated.

00:34:19.088 --> 00:34:19.418
Yeah.

00:34:19.688 --> 00:34:21.518
I would imagine it could do a pretty awesome job.

00:34:21.518 --> 00:34:22.148
A little 3D printer

00:34:22.148 --> 00:34:23.438
coming out the end of your index finger.

00:34:23.438 --> 00:34:24.878
Just Yeah.

00:34:25.117 --> 00:34:25.777
And it doesn't care.

00:34:25.777 --> 00:34:27.543
It just sits there goes, yeah.

00:34:27.577 --> 00:34:27.967
It has no

00:34:28.088 --> 00:34:29.708
brain, has no concept of time.

00:34:29.708 --> 00:34:31.117
It does not care how long it goes.

00:34:31.177 --> 00:34:32.918
It is just gonna keep going until the job is done.

00:34:33.557 --> 00:34:34.907
That's the amazing part.

00:34:34.907 --> 00:34:37.637
Whereas humans, we, we need breaks and we need, you know Right.

00:34:37.637 --> 00:34:40.277
There's so much time involved, which you should be paid for.

00:34:40.338 --> 00:34:40.577
Yeah.

00:34:40.728 --> 00:34:46.248
So, um, I don't know that, I think the trades are pretty safe for a long time, for 20 years at least or something.

00:34:46.248 --> 00:34:46.398
Yeah.

00:34:46.398 --> 00:34:48.947
I, I, it's only those really high value things

00:34:48.947 --> 00:34:52.277
like surgeons that are maybe get more robotic stuff, but,

00:34:52.757 --> 00:34:55.458
but even that, you know, just think about the variables of every human body.

00:34:55.458 --> 00:35:00.288
Like if you just kind of throw a robot at it, like you kind of need a human to direct it and like, look Mm.

00:35:00.318 --> 00:35:02.297
And be like, Hey, that's, that's a real problem.

00:35:02.297 --> 00:35:03.018
Or that's not a problem.

00:35:03.018 --> 00:35:03.588
Or Right.

00:35:03.588 --> 00:35:06.737
Like, maybe we shouldn't, here, maybe we need to move, but maybe not for long.

00:35:06.737 --> 00:35:07.068
Yeah.

00:35:07.097 --> 00:35:07.637
I don't know.

00:35:08.208 --> 00:35:08.867
So, yeah.

00:35:08.867 --> 00:35:10.998
They, they, the mapping, the way they do surgery now is crazy.

00:35:10.998 --> 00:35:14.088
They, they like do a full on like 3D map of your body.

00:35:14.148 --> 00:35:14.507
Wow.

00:35:14.538 --> 00:35:16.307
And then they can feed that into the robot.

00:35:16.338 --> 00:35:23.268
And then the, the tools, like tools that are be infinitely small so they can go in and make the incisions that are crazy small.

00:35:23.273 --> 00:35:23.382
Sure.

00:35:23.387 --> 00:35:24.288
So you don't have as much.

00:35:24.288 --> 00:35:24.557
Yeah.

00:35:24.648 --> 00:35:26.117
Um, yeah, recovery had

00:35:26.117 --> 00:35:27.827
a, I had a hernia, uh.

00:35:28.958 --> 00:35:30.038
Surgery, I guess back.

00:35:30.217 --> 00:35:31.628
Gosh, it was like 2 0 0 8.

00:35:31.748 --> 00:35:32.047
Yeah.

00:35:32.108 --> 00:35:36.907
And it was early on in that laparoscopic thing and they could just like put a little cut in there and then Yeah.

00:35:36.967 --> 00:35:38.918
You know, I was pulling weeds the next day in my garden.

00:35:38.918 --> 00:35:39.188
Yeah.

00:35:39.188 --> 00:35:40.307
You know, isn't a while was fine.

00:35:40.563 --> 00:35:40.682
I

00:35:40.682 --> 00:35:41.083
mean, yeah.

00:35:41.143 --> 00:35:42.217
So, yeah.

00:35:42.277 --> 00:35:44.378
Um, Laura, my wife does that a lot.

00:35:44.527 --> 00:35:44.677
Yeah.

00:35:44.677 --> 00:35:44.887
Years

00:35:44.887 --> 00:35:47.617
before, you know, five years before that it would've been like a big cut.

00:35:47.677 --> 00:35:50.197
They got rip up the side of me and they, you know, getting in there.

00:35:50.228 --> 00:35:50.498
Yeah.

00:35:50.677 --> 00:35:51.398
It's nuts.

00:35:51.487 --> 00:35:51.728
Yeah.

00:35:51.907 --> 00:35:52.748
So I, I don't know.

00:35:52.748 --> 00:35:57.157
I think in general business technology, like productivity technology, yeah.

00:35:57.188 --> 00:35:58.838
It, it's already been really good.

00:35:58.838 --> 00:36:03.918
Which is kinda like what people I think are often overlooking when they're talking about like how, you know, automation stage Yeah.

00:36:03.918 --> 00:36:04.802
A leverage on Yeah.

00:36:05.047 --> 00:36:05.257
Yeah.

00:36:05.378 --> 00:36:07.597
But it's just keeps getting better.

00:36:07.628 --> 00:36:11.137
Um, I think the, um, uh,

00:36:11.168 --> 00:36:13.177
will there be traditional softwares and stuff?

00:36:13.177 --> 00:36:18.248
Like we've got a little, uh, hobby project on the side that Ben and I have been working on.

00:36:18.253 --> 00:36:18.362
Mm-hmm.

00:36:18.443 --> 00:36:19.927
The other staff are here that.

00:36:20.498 --> 00:36:25.657
It's really just talking to an AI and saying Build this, do that, do that.

00:36:26.288 --> 00:36:35.197
Um, and so is there like even a place for QuickBooks or maybe not QuickBooks, because that's a very, it's systematized, right?

00:36:35.197 --> 00:36:35.257
Yeah.

00:36:35.257 --> 00:36:46.088
And it's got a lot of reporting to do and different and, uh, different connectivities, you know, here's how your payroll thing gets figured in, and you can pay the, pay the tax man right through here and stuff.

00:36:46.088 --> 00:36:51.128
But yeah, like, like website building is gonna be a whole different ballgame, I reckon.

00:36:51.157 --> 00:36:57.157
Well, it's all about, um, what is automated and standardized, right?

00:36:57.157 --> 00:37:02.077
So QuickBooks would be like, again, I, I mean, I dunno if you use it, but Yeah.

00:37:02.077 --> 00:37:05.527
We, they have AI pieces, they keep like promoting Sure.

00:37:05.557 --> 00:37:06.998
AI pieces that are like in there.

00:37:07.027 --> 00:37:07.268
Yep.

00:37:07.688 --> 00:37:11.318
But they're not really that great and they're not that different than what they had before.

00:37:11.318 --> 00:37:13.958
They're just rebranding how they're like selling you this stuff.

00:37:14.018 --> 00:37:14.197
Yep.

00:37:14.257 --> 00:37:16.597
And because everyone wants AI builts into their stuff, you know?

00:37:16.597 --> 00:37:19.867
It's like now they're using that term and kind of packaging it different.

00:37:19.867 --> 00:37:19.987
Yeah.

00:37:20.318 --> 00:37:20.978
It's like Intel

00:37:20.978 --> 00:37:22.418
inside ai inside.

00:37:22.418 --> 00:37:22.867
Yeah.

00:37:22.898 --> 00:37:25.057
And it's the same engine and model.

00:37:25.057 --> 00:37:29.288
It's just like, oh, now it's called the AI Assistant, where it's like, oh, it's the same thing it was.

00:37:29.737 --> 00:37:37.898
But um, the number of variables that go into a QuickBooks file for every company is so, so wide.

00:37:38.108 --> 00:37:38.527
Yeah.

00:37:38.677 --> 00:37:38.797
Gotcha.

00:37:38.797 --> 00:37:43.777
That I couldn't see there, there, there would always have to be some need for someone to keep track of that.

00:37:43.807 --> 00:37:43.987
Right.

00:37:44.228 --> 00:37:44.378
Yeah.

00:37:44.378 --> 00:37:48.188
You have to keep, but uh, it's already pretty automated.

00:37:48.188 --> 00:37:50.378
It just pulls from your bank feed and spits it in there.

00:37:50.382 --> 00:37:50.432
Yeah.

00:37:50.432 --> 00:37:53.137
And does that, that part's automated, but it really has to be.

00:37:53.588 --> 00:37:54.833
Um, so, so I used to spend hours.

00:37:54.833 --> 00:37:55.032
Yeah.

00:37:55.032 --> 00:37:55.958
But there isn't any language

00:37:55.958 --> 00:37:56.407
around it.

00:37:56.407 --> 00:37:56.737
Right.

00:37:56.827 --> 00:37:57.518
There isn't that much.

00:37:57.938 --> 00:38:00.847
Thinking it's kind of more about Yeah, sorting.

00:38:00.998 --> 00:38:02.467
Sorting and Yeah, exactly.

00:38:02.467 --> 00:38:06.878
It's like rules and matching and all these things, which is repetitive.

00:38:06.878 --> 00:38:06.938
Yeah.

00:38:06.967 --> 00:38:08.288
So again, that makes sense.

00:38:08.978 --> 00:38:17.588
Uh, website development has also become so standardized that most websites start to look the same.

00:38:17.592 --> 00:38:17.793
Mm-hmm.

00:38:18.007 --> 00:38:24.637
So, you know, that's why the rise of, um, of those boxed ones have come Squarespace and different things like that.

00:38:24.637 --> 00:38:24.818
Yeah.

00:38:24.847 --> 00:38:30.967
They become so popular because like, well, you know, if Joe Schmo doesn't know anything about web development, you wanna build one, right?

00:38:30.998 --> 00:38:31.597
Go for it.

00:38:31.657 --> 00:38:31.777
Yeah.

00:38:31.777 --> 00:38:34.987
You just sign over this thing, it spits one out and you're like, well, let's good enough for me.

00:38:35.018 --> 00:38:35.228
Yeah.

00:38:35.288 --> 00:38:35.858
Do I care?

00:38:36.068 --> 00:38:37.027
No, you don't care.

00:38:37.117 --> 00:38:48.608
Uh, but anyone who needs, again, like something with functionality that is more than just a brochure, you'd probably have to pay someone to do it because there's some amount of variable in there.

00:38:48.608 --> 00:38:56.018
But, but that person would have to, would most likely go and use an AI tool to do the coding.

00:38:56.498 --> 00:38:58.927
They would have to know how to use that in their industry.

00:38:58.927 --> 00:38:59.197
But even,

00:38:59.197 --> 00:39:01.177
I'm thinking like a Shopify or something.

00:39:01.657 --> 00:39:10.208
Um, if you've got a thousand products on your Shopify page, but you need to update them all, like AI could probably do that pretty good.

00:39:10.208 --> 00:39:10.628
Here's

00:39:11.228 --> 00:39:12.577
if it was the same update.

00:39:12.608 --> 00:39:12.998
Right.

00:39:12.998 --> 00:39:14.467
But is that, how often does that happen?

00:39:14.827 --> 00:39:17.737
Every single update is the same, like every product.

00:39:18.038 --> 00:39:18.788
I mean, maybe,

00:39:18.788 --> 00:39:23.797
but well put a, put a current description of this product, including the updates on the page, you know, or Yeah.

00:39:23.797 --> 00:39:26.797
I mean, take the price to increase the price by 20%.

00:39:26.797 --> 00:39:27.217
Well, yeah.

00:39:27.217 --> 00:39:27.398
That

00:39:27.398 --> 00:39:27.938
kind of thing.

00:39:27.967 --> 00:39:28.208
Yeah.

00:39:28.208 --> 00:39:33.818
If everyone's like the price increase or I, I suppose it could go out and write a blurb about every product.

00:39:33.818 --> 00:39:36.128
It could be smart enough to read what's there if you had something.

00:39:36.157 --> 00:39:36.487
Right.

00:39:36.487 --> 00:39:38.387
But, but if it didn't exist, I don't know that it could, well,

00:39:38.387 --> 00:39:40.297
I could read all the stuff I've written about that product.

00:39:40.597 --> 00:39:41.617
Online everywhere.

00:39:41.617 --> 00:39:42.697
Yeah, that's, yeah.

00:39:42.697 --> 00:39:44.077
I mean, it could, and gimme a paragraph about it.

00:39:44.077 --> 00:39:44.257
Yeah.

00:39:44.257 --> 00:39:49.992
You know, the, the whatever the, the, the Sony MT seven camera is dah, dah, dah.

00:39:50.197 --> 00:39:50.378
Yeah.

00:39:50.378 --> 00:39:52.748
And it's on sale now for only XI

00:39:52.748 --> 00:39:57.193
mean, I had a good friend, um, uh, I'm, you know, uh, McKay, but mugs Yeah, sure.

00:39:57.193 --> 00:39:57.353
Yeah.

00:39:57.398 --> 00:39:58.507
He started community funded.

00:39:58.568 --> 00:39:58.793
Yeah.

00:39:58.793 --> 00:39:58.958
Yeah.

00:39:59.168 --> 00:39:59.228
Yeah.

00:39:59.228 --> 00:40:03.518
My good friend Matt, um, was the one who did a lot of the custom development of their Okay.

00:40:03.518 --> 00:40:04.088
Their platform.

00:40:04.237 --> 00:40:04.447
Yeah.

00:40:04.628 --> 00:40:07.057
That would be like a great example of like a Loco crew.

00:40:07.057 --> 00:40:08.137
Anyway, that Right.

00:40:08.288 --> 00:40:14.527
Um, that, that is like really custom software as a service, right?

00:40:14.527 --> 00:40:21.728
Like you go through a website to get it and you use it, but it's very customized to each individual donor group.

00:40:21.728 --> 00:40:22.027
And Yeah.

00:40:22.208 --> 00:40:30.108
So there's like this whole element and the code base behind it, I'm sure could be, you know, automated and repetitive, but a lot of it is.

00:40:30.788 --> 00:40:32.512
As far as I know, and I don't know all that much.

00:40:32.512 --> 00:40:32.523
Yeah.

00:40:32.557 --> 00:40:34.507
It's gonna be half have to be custom stitch.

00:40:34.507 --> 00:40:34.568
Yeah.

00:40:34.568 --> 00:40:36.577
Some human has to come in here and figure out Yeah.

00:40:36.577 --> 00:40:37.117
Make it work.

00:40:37.117 --> 00:40:38.108
So yeah, that makes sense.

00:40:38.137 --> 00:40:40.867
Um, I think that kind of thing is not going away.

00:40:40.867 --> 00:40:41.077
And

00:40:41.257 --> 00:40:49.117
so for kids, like get good at the AI tools, but don't expect them to bet complete problem solvers anytime soon.

00:40:49.117 --> 00:40:52.538
You're gonna still have to be creative, thoughtful, intentional.

00:40:52.597 --> 00:40:52.628
I

00:40:52.628 --> 00:40:57.128
think, I think there's a huge human element that will never go away and uh, yeah.

00:40:57.128 --> 00:41:02.677
You, you constantly have to know, kinda know the purpose of like what you're doing and, and why, and why am I building this and AI stuff.

00:41:02.978 --> 00:41:04.867
I, you know, can't know that to a degree, but Yeah.

00:41:05.527 --> 00:41:13.478
Um, it's, it's, I just think right now people are so enamored with it, like, wow, it can, you know, make me a song and it can make me a video.

00:41:13.478 --> 00:41:13.568
Right.

00:41:13.568 --> 00:41:22.958
And like fun things, but practical business uses, um, really depend on the role and the company and like if you're a marketing person, you got these tools.

00:41:22.958 --> 00:41:29.588
If you're a totally account person, you're gonna have some other tools and so that will, I think keep getting better just in the same, that like.

00:41:30.007 --> 00:41:33.518
Uh, there's a, you know, how many million of apps are out there?

00:41:33.577 --> 00:41:33.728
Mm-hmm.

00:41:34.088 --> 00:41:37.987
And every one of us is like, well, I use this app because it works for me.

00:41:38.137 --> 00:41:38.438
Right.

00:41:38.527 --> 00:41:43.297
And the engine behind it, you know, is built by a bunch of people in a, in a basement somewhere.

00:41:43.297 --> 00:41:45.128
It doesn't matter, but it's something I want.

00:41:45.128 --> 00:41:45.202
Yeah, yeah.

00:41:45.208 --> 00:41:45.487
Yeah.

00:41:45.487 --> 00:41:51.038
So it'd be the same thing, like, well, there's an AI built app, but it's only used by this small niche.

00:41:51.697 --> 00:41:51.967
Right.

00:41:51.967 --> 00:41:52.657
Or just me.

00:41:52.717 --> 00:41:53.257
Or just me.

00:41:53.257 --> 00:41:53.677
Yeah.

00:41:53.858 --> 00:41:57.038
And you, and now there, there are tools that AI can go build your own apps.

00:41:57.038 --> 00:41:57.407
Right, right.

00:41:57.407 --> 00:42:02.378
Like, you know, so, but how, uh, how, how can you scale those and all that?

00:42:02.378 --> 00:42:03.878
I, you know, that's a different story.

00:42:03.907 --> 00:42:09.427
Do you have a, like visions for a significant amount of change with Digital Workshop Center?

00:42:09.427 --> 00:42:12.818
Or you kind of plan to do more of what you've been doing?

00:42:12.878 --> 00:42:13.387
Uh,

00:42:13.447 --> 00:42:19.148
well, uh, on the AI front, I mean, every certificate program we offer has some module about.

00:42:19.867 --> 00:42:20.617
Exactly what I just said.

00:42:20.617 --> 00:42:23.077
The AI tools that are specific to that career.

00:42:23.137 --> 00:42:23.467
Yeah.

00:42:23.588 --> 00:42:28.208
So the marketing AI module is very different than the, um, yeah.

00:42:28.208 --> 00:42:29.952
Accounting project management or the accounting project management.

00:42:29.958 --> 00:42:30.068
Yeah.

00:42:30.608 --> 00:42:34.507
There are tools that exist that can be helpful, but you need to learn it for your career.

00:42:34.507 --> 00:42:36.248
So that's been a change.

00:42:37.027 --> 00:42:49.597
Um, we've been trying to, you know, you know, a lot of the things that have become maybe a little bit less relevant, you know, like, like graphic design is becoming less relevant because people can use Canva.

00:42:49.628 --> 00:42:49.987
Totally.

00:42:50.047 --> 00:42:52.387
So they don't wanna spend the money to come to school to learn it.

00:42:52.387 --> 00:42:52.632
Yep, yep.

00:42:53.168 --> 00:42:53.858
Um.

00:42:54.307 --> 00:42:58.447
We're trying to just kinda like follow where the careers are constantly.

00:42:58.777 --> 00:43:05.677
So, um, any, there, there's lists by the government, there's lists by the, uh, public, uh, so you're like looking at some of those

00:43:05.677 --> 00:43:08.438
unfilled role kind of things and just trends.

00:43:08.438 --> 00:43:09.193
Trends, hiring trends.

00:43:09.427 --> 00:43:09.878
Where are

00:43:09.878 --> 00:43:18.248
there actual jobs gonna stay and remain, you know, and, you know, we don't want to teach people on things that are dying industries per se.

00:43:18.728 --> 00:43:21.878
Um, but that's really what we're doing.

00:43:21.878 --> 00:43:27.547
So it's, um, right now we're looking at a lot of like the comp stuff, if you know what that is.

00:43:27.547 --> 00:43:32.137
It's, um, it has everything range from like how to like entry level.

00:43:32.137 --> 00:43:34.717
It positions as like a very generic term.

00:43:34.958 --> 00:43:34.987
Okay.

00:43:34.987 --> 00:43:35.077
Yep.

00:43:35.077 --> 00:43:37.987
You know, but there's a certification of like, um.

00:43:38.483 --> 00:43:41.932
And, and a very common scenario for us would be someone who's been working manual labor.

00:43:41.932 --> 00:43:43.672
They've been a plumber for 30 years.

00:43:43.672 --> 00:43:43.882
Yep.

00:43:43.943 --> 00:43:44.663
They can't do it anymore.

00:43:44.663 --> 00:43:47.603
They got a physical disability, they just don't want do it anymore.

00:43:47.932 --> 00:43:50.858
So they looked to say they need some competency in the arts.

00:43:50.858 --> 00:43:50.867
Yeah.

00:43:50.867 --> 00:43:56.422
They say, I wanna be, well, not even the arts, they just say, I wanna work in it as this like blanket broad statement.

00:43:56.483 --> 00:43:56.842
Yeah.

00:43:56.932 --> 00:43:59.362
So the first place that usually they would start is something like the coal

00:43:59.362 --> 00:44:00.742
miners, uh, when they Yeah.

00:44:00.742 --> 00:44:01.523
Said learn to code.

00:44:01.762 --> 00:44:02.213
Yeah.

00:44:02.213 --> 00:44:03.592
And now coders are useless.

00:44:03.592 --> 00:44:04.402
So, and now Yeah.

00:44:04.943 --> 00:44:05.152
Whoops.

00:44:05.152 --> 00:44:05.663
Do something else.

00:44:05.668 --> 00:44:05.818
Yeah.

00:44:05.932 --> 00:44:06.143
Yeah.

00:44:06.143 --> 00:44:14.543
Um, but you know, but so they would start with like, uh, a certification and Comp T is a great organization that does these kind of, uh, upskilling certifications.

00:44:14.543 --> 00:44:14.632
Cool.

00:44:14.632 --> 00:44:15.893
So a plus is the kind of.

00:44:16.237 --> 00:44:17.047
Initial one.

00:44:17.108 --> 00:44:17.467
Okay.

00:44:17.588 --> 00:44:21.068
Uh, entry level IT positions you can get like Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:21.068 --> 00:44:23.152
You know, help desk and IT support that kinda stuff.

00:44:23.152 --> 00:44:23.353
Sure.

00:44:23.353 --> 00:44:25.838
But then that's like a gateway to many others.

00:44:25.838 --> 00:44:28.327
So like network technician, cybersecurity.

00:44:28.358 --> 00:44:28.807
Totally.

00:44:28.867 --> 00:44:35.063
Um, uh, yeah, so there's a huge list of ones that, but generally you start with that, like a plus one if you're new.

00:44:35.063 --> 00:44:36.032
I was like to technology,

00:44:36.032 --> 00:44:42.157
I was like good at computers when I was in like seventh grade through 10th grade.

00:44:43.027 --> 00:44:45.938
And then I kind of lost interest in some respects, even though Yeah.

00:44:46.327 --> 00:44:50.108
Uh, early in my banking career, for example, people are like, can you fix my computer?

00:44:50.108 --> 00:44:52.838
They're like, well, I can turn it off and turn it back on again.

00:44:52.867 --> 00:44:53.228
Yeah.

00:44:53.257 --> 00:44:53.768
Try that.

00:44:53.768 --> 00:45:04.987
But tech support 1 0 1, you know, I've never, you know, either knock on wood or dumb on me for not developing that skillset, but it just hasn't been as interesting to me as a lot of other areas.

00:45:04.987 --> 00:45:05.077
Yeah.

00:45:05.168 --> 00:45:12.458
Well, but, but if I got fired, you know, I would probably think to myself, upleveling my own skill.

00:45:12.458 --> 00:45:13.628
And I'm, I'm, I'm competent.

00:45:13.628 --> 00:45:14.407
I can use Excel.

00:45:14.407 --> 00:45:17.137
I've built some kick ass spreadsheets over the years and stuff like that.

00:45:17.137 --> 00:45:18.967
I'm not just terrible.

00:45:18.998 --> 00:45:19.327
Yeah.

00:45:19.777 --> 00:45:21.128
You not chicken pecking at the keyboard.

00:45:21.128 --> 00:45:24.847
But if I, if you put me at the health desk, I'm gonna struggle.

00:45:25.418 --> 00:45:25.867
Yeah.

00:45:25.867 --> 00:45:27.458
You know, I think, um.

00:45:27.518 --> 00:45:39.427
Uh, like, like a lot of people, you know, the, the reason I got into using computers was kind of the, um, the cause and effect of, of being able to like, put in a line of code and like something came back, you know?

00:45:39.518 --> 00:45:39.547
Mm.

00:45:39.637 --> 00:45:40.208
It was the same thing.

00:45:40.208 --> 00:45:47.047
It's funny, like, you know, having a three and a half year old, like his, his favorite things to do are when there's a, a, a response, right.

00:45:47.047 --> 00:45:51.547
So, you know, if he can do something where he can build a tower so he can knock it over, right?

00:45:51.608 --> 00:45:54.277
Like, that's fun and dad or mom goes, wow.

00:45:54.277 --> 00:45:54.608
Yeah.

00:45:54.608 --> 00:45:58.148
And well, he can see the response, even not, I can see the tower fall over.

00:45:58.237 --> 00:46:02.768
Um, anything that involves that kind of level of response he's gonna be into.

00:46:02.768 --> 00:46:06.007
And I think on some level, most semens are wired that way.

00:46:06.007 --> 00:46:07.657
Like if I can see some Totally.

00:46:07.657 --> 00:46:09.188
I can see the effect of what I just did.

00:46:09.188 --> 00:46:09.547
Totally.

00:46:09.608 --> 00:46:17.708
So, so computers are like this lazy, cheap way of doing it where like, Hey, I just hit a, a chair and I just type in some words Yeah.

00:46:17.708 --> 00:46:19.038
And then gives me something, stuff happens.

00:46:19.038 --> 00:46:19.282
Yeah.

00:46:19.288 --> 00:46:19.628
Yeah.

00:46:19.628 --> 00:46:22.748
Whereas, you know, you don't have to go out and break rocks in a coal mine or whatever.

00:46:22.748 --> 00:46:23.467
Right, right.

00:46:23.467 --> 00:46:24.608
Or I'm a farmer's kid.

00:46:24.637 --> 00:46:24.907
Yeah.

00:46:24.907 --> 00:46:25.447
And so

00:46:25.447 --> 00:46:26.708
like when you, when you.

00:46:27.052 --> 00:46:27.893
Till a field.

00:46:28.282 --> 00:46:28.492
Yeah.

00:46:28.492 --> 00:46:36.773
You know, you know, results, you go back and forth and you, you turn it from gray to kind of black the whole way until you're done and you can see every action that you made, you know?

00:46:36.773 --> 00:46:36.862
Right.

00:46:36.862 --> 00:46:37.103
Yeah.

00:46:37.103 --> 00:46:39.623
And, but you know, like the outcome, your work, I made a difference today.

00:46:39.623 --> 00:46:39.682
Yeah.

00:46:39.682 --> 00:46:40.313
You made a difference.

00:46:40.313 --> 00:46:45.503
I harvested a field, you know, I took all this, I did with my work, took crop and put it in the trucks and they hauled it off, you know?

00:46:45.592 --> 00:46:46.313
Yeah, yeah.

00:46:46.313 --> 00:46:46.882
Interesting.

00:46:46.913 --> 00:46:51.262
And I think computers have always been that way to me, especially, it's just like, whoa, I can type this in.

00:46:51.262 --> 00:46:55.282
Look, something came back and then you just kind of got, I just snowballed and got better and better at it.

00:46:55.288 --> 00:46:55.447
Yeah.

00:46:55.447 --> 00:46:55.568
Yeah.

00:46:55.568 --> 00:46:56.813
Like, oh, I could come up with something different.

00:46:57.023 --> 00:47:00.592
But I remember doing it on the, you know, dos prompts and like making the little Pacman move around.

00:47:00.592 --> 00:47:01.193
No, way back.

00:47:01.197 --> 00:47:01.327
Way back.

00:47:01.333 --> 00:47:01.672
Yeah.

00:47:01.672 --> 00:47:01.682
Yeah.

00:47:01.913 --> 00:47:03.213
And that, but that was so cool at the time.

00:47:03.213 --> 00:47:03.898
How old are you, by the way?

00:47:04.012 --> 00:47:04.762
Uh, 47.

00:47:04.882 --> 00:47:05.213
Okay.

00:47:05.302 --> 00:47:15.563
I'm 51, so I'm just a little ahead of you that, that, uh, tech space, by the way, everybody gets a gift for coming on, and I, oh, I, I'm, I'm picking up a, uh, uh, a thing from the Sean Ryan show.

00:47:15.893 --> 00:47:19.702
I've been leaving him out to the table, but he does it like right as part of the show.

00:47:19.702 --> 00:47:24.143
And so here we have, oh, you're.

00:47:24.922 --> 00:47:25.132
Thank you.

00:47:25.943 --> 00:47:26.902
Vintage Loco.

00:47:26.902 --> 00:47:27.592
Think Tank.

00:47:27.623 --> 00:47:27.893
This is awesome.

00:47:27.922 --> 00:47:28.762
Party cups.

00:47:28.762 --> 00:47:28.822
Yeah.

00:47:29.302 --> 00:47:32.782
Oh, some hot sauce from, uh, the crooked cup, uh, crew.

00:47:32.782 --> 00:47:33.682
Zoe's kitchen.

00:47:33.833 --> 00:47:34.342
Okay.

00:47:34.342 --> 00:47:36.112
Gabe are no longer crooked.

00:47:36.112 --> 00:47:36.382
Cup.

00:47:36.952 --> 00:47:38.422
Some Loco experience.

00:47:38.608 --> 00:47:39.277
Sunglasses.

00:47:39.282 --> 00:47:40.972
Sunglasses, which totally custom.

00:47:40.972 --> 00:47:43.612
Very few of those running around the community except for actually look

00:47:43.612 --> 00:47:44.963
like decent sunglasses.

00:47:44.992 --> 00:47:49.282
I mean, they're, they're, they, they cost me like$3 and 20 cents a piece when I were 500.

00:47:49.282 --> 00:47:50.842
They call that decent, but they're cool looking.

00:47:50.902 --> 00:47:51.233
Yeah.

00:47:51.262 --> 00:47:51.532
Yeah.

00:47:51.532 --> 00:47:52.313
And some stickers.

00:47:52.313 --> 00:47:53.873
Thank you as well

00:47:53.873 --> 00:47:58.853
as a nice note, which I thought you would find perhaps entertaining.

00:47:59.782 --> 00:48:00.773
You can read it if you like.

00:48:01.253 --> 00:48:04.432
Oh, thanks for making time to share your journey on the Loco experience.

00:48:04.432 --> 00:48:07.402
May your classes and your joys be full.

00:48:07.853 --> 00:48:08.152
Thank you.

00:48:08.213 --> 00:48:11.032
And your tradition transitions be tight and groovy.

00:48:11.333 --> 00:48:11.753
Thank you.

00:48:11.873 --> 00:48:12.833
Yeah, very thoughtful.

00:48:12.833 --> 00:48:13.702
Thank you very much.

00:48:13.702 --> 00:48:14.393
Someday when I'm

00:48:14.393 --> 00:48:20.362
famous, you can put that on your wall and be like, I was episode 2 47 of the Loco Experience Podcast.

00:48:20.693 --> 00:48:23.722
Well, it's good timing'cause I think we were kind of very low on hot sauce.

00:48:23.722 --> 00:48:24.922
So we've just talking about that.

00:48:24.922 --> 00:48:31.702
We were at the farmer's market a couple weeks back and we would've bought things, but our kid was running around, couldn't corral.

00:48:31.702 --> 00:48:32.302
I might have some

00:48:32.302 --> 00:48:35.902
leftover hot sauce, uh, I could give you from our hot nugs conversations.

00:48:35.902 --> 00:48:36.922
Did you see those coming across?

00:48:37.342 --> 00:48:38.543
I saw in September, October.

00:48:38.603 --> 00:48:39.293
I saw, yeah.

00:48:39.293 --> 00:48:41.422
Like you were talking about the mayor Mayoral, was that the right one?

00:48:41.422 --> 00:48:42.472
Yeah, the mayoral candidates.

00:48:42.472 --> 00:48:42.952
Candidates.

00:48:42.983 --> 00:48:43.907
Um, yeah.

00:48:43.927 --> 00:48:44.753
Um, and we dipped

00:48:44.753 --> 00:48:49.222
nuggets into the hot sauces from Matador Mexican Grill and from Old Town Spice Shop.

00:48:49.253 --> 00:48:49.972
Oh, that's cool.

00:48:49.972 --> 00:48:54.322
Were like, I was, one of the last things Shirley Peele said to me in her conversation with me is.

00:48:54.818 --> 00:48:56.288
Oh my God, you were so sweaty.

00:48:56.887 --> 00:48:58.092
And I was like, yes, I am.

00:48:58.652 --> 00:49:03.572
I, I would, I would wiss out on that real fast because I, I can't handle too hot that that's more of a medium.

00:49:03.577 --> 00:49:04.057
Medium, yeah.

00:49:04.507 --> 00:49:05.588
Medium's where I usually, I stop

00:49:05.708 --> 00:49:12.097
my next, uh, my next batch is gonna be much crazier because it just feels like, you know, I kind of went for a crowd pleaser.

00:49:12.157 --> 00:49:12.608
Yeah.

00:49:12.608 --> 00:49:13.237
And it, and it's good.

00:49:13.237 --> 00:49:14.108
It's a nice hot sauce.

00:49:14.108 --> 00:49:14.498
It's great.

00:49:14.498 --> 00:49:19.447
But when you got something called the Loco Experience, hot sauce, it should probably be a little crazier.

00:49:19.447 --> 00:49:19.867
It be crazy.

00:49:19.867 --> 00:49:20.168
Yeah.

00:49:20.172 --> 00:49:20.333
Yeah.

00:49:20.338 --> 00:49:20.617
So you,

00:49:20.617 --> 00:49:24.007
you made this in the test kitchen or the, well, Gabe made it, it's Zoe's kitchen for me.

00:49:24.128 --> 00:49:24.248
Oh, cool.

00:49:24.248 --> 00:49:24.577
And he sells

00:49:24.577 --> 00:49:26.797
it to me a hundred bottles at a time or something like that.

00:49:26.802 --> 00:49:27.052
That's awesome.

00:49:27.052 --> 00:49:27.172
Yeah.

00:49:27.172 --> 00:49:27.608
Very cool.

00:49:27.637 --> 00:49:27.847
Yeah.

00:49:28.418 --> 00:49:28.688
Thank you.

00:49:28.717 --> 00:49:30.458
Um, yes, you're quite welcome.

00:49:30.668 --> 00:49:33.547
I want to hear about like, the music industry.

00:49:33.938 --> 00:49:34.208
Yeah.

00:49:34.237 --> 00:49:36.788
That's changed a lot since you moved here pursuing music.

00:49:36.967 --> 00:49:37.297
Yeah.

00:49:37.327 --> 00:49:38.077
Also, yeah.

00:49:38.288 --> 00:49:49.117
Um, talk to me about like the dynamic in that kind of what, I guess too big to quit, but too small to actually make any real money on it or whatever.

00:49:49.177 --> 00:49:50.768
I suppose that's kind of the space that.

00:49:51.143 --> 00:49:52.913
Most of those bands are in.

00:49:52.943 --> 00:49:53.873
Yeah, yeah.

00:49:53.873 --> 00:49:58.793
You know, um, uh, certainly the music industry industry has changed.

00:49:58.853 --> 00:50:04.282
Um, it used to be where you would make your money by recording, putting a CD out, right.

00:50:04.282 --> 00:50:05.543
People bought the cd Right.

00:50:05.603 --> 00:50:08.362
And you then you had some merch, even a hundred thousand copies.

00:50:08.362 --> 00:50:11.003
You got real money, you made real money, you had a real

00:50:11.063 --> 00:50:16.313
career, and then you would tour to support the selling of the cd.

00:50:16.342 --> 00:50:16.822
Right, right.

00:50:16.822 --> 00:50:17.813
That was the revenue engine.

00:50:17.813 --> 00:50:19.523
That was if you broke even on the tour, that was great.

00:50:19.552 --> 00:50:20.302
Yeah, exactly.

00:50:20.362 --> 00:50:29.452
You were trying to sell albums and CDs, um, and Spotify and streaming and all that have completely ruined that.

00:50:29.512 --> 00:50:35.722
Um, where you make nothing on the music you make really, which is wild to think about.

00:50:35.722 --> 00:50:39.112
Like, so as the creator, like literally nothing, nothing.

00:50:39.112 --> 00:50:42.068
Zero really 0.0, 0, 0, 0, 0.

00:50:42.072 --> 00:50:42.443
Like that, you're

00:50:42.443 --> 00:50:43.612
like, you're welcome.

00:50:43.672 --> 00:50:47.242
Yeah, for us to put this on here so people can find you when they want to see you tour.

00:50:47.393 --> 00:50:47.693
Exactly.

00:50:48.233 --> 00:50:50.452
So that's exactly how it works now, which stinks.

00:50:50.782 --> 00:50:52.597
Um, what was that first file shoot?

00:50:52.597 --> 00:50:53.038
Am swear on here.

00:50:53.038 --> 00:50:54.717
Yeah, you can say that fucking sucks.

00:50:54.717 --> 00:50:54.728
Shit.

00:50:54.862 --> 00:50:55.313
Okay.

00:50:55.612 --> 00:51:02.362
Um, yeah, it so it, it just like is so, uh, demoralizing as a musician.

00:51:02.362 --> 00:51:04.373
You're like, right, why the fuck am I doing this?

00:51:04.373 --> 00:51:05.932
I wrote a book about it, you know, I wrote

00:51:05.932 --> 00:51:07.552
a song about it and nobody pays it.

00:51:07.612 --> 00:51:18.952
And nobody's, nobody's reimbursing me for the content that you are, you know, Spotify taking and going to make the money, but I'm the one that gave you the thing to make the money.

00:51:18.952 --> 00:51:22.432
You know, like, and obviously we're not that big, so like, not that Yeah.

00:51:22.432 --> 00:51:22.882
Essential.

00:51:23.273 --> 00:51:24.413
But, um,

00:51:24.443 --> 00:51:24.773
but you'd have

00:51:24.773 --> 00:51:25.043
sold

00:51:25.043 --> 00:51:26.782
a hell of a lot of CDs if it was the

00:51:26.782 --> 00:51:27.262
nineties.

00:51:27.268 --> 00:51:27.773
Yeah, well, yeah.

00:51:27.773 --> 00:51:28.043
Yeah.

00:51:28.043 --> 00:51:29.483
It would be a totally different ball game.

00:51:29.483 --> 00:51:32.213
And, and we did, I mean, for the longest time when I, so.

00:51:32.737 --> 00:51:40.867
You know, going back to when I really started playing, um, CDs were everything and, and press kits were manual and paper and all, you know, you know, and that's dating me.

00:51:40.867 --> 00:51:42.697
But like, that's how things were done.

00:51:42.697 --> 00:51:45.907
And then when email came around, it was like, I can email you my press kit.

00:51:45.938 --> 00:51:46.748
What a glorious thing.

00:51:46.748 --> 00:51:50.677
But I would still print CDs for the purpose of making money.

00:51:50.737 --> 00:51:50.978
Yeah.

00:51:51.038 --> 00:51:58.208
And every band I was in, we would, we would play the shows to make the money for the purpose of printing the CDs, selling more CDs.

00:51:58.208 --> 00:51:58.333
CDs.

00:51:58.597 --> 00:52:00.007
That's how we would actually make a living.

00:52:00.728 --> 00:52:03.487
And that really, you know, we did like, okay.

00:52:03.487 --> 00:52:13.418
You know, I never made it big obviously, but, um, and even grip weed, you know, when I first got involved, like, we printed a ton of CDs and we sold a lot of'em.

00:52:13.418 --> 00:52:14.092
Like, you know, yeah.

00:52:14.137 --> 00:52:16.777
We, we made a good amount of money, but that was right.

00:52:17.257 --> 00:52:19.358
You know, as things started to kinda shift to digital.

00:52:19.418 --> 00:52:21.818
And, um, what was that first file sharing?

00:52:22.208 --> 00:52:22.777
Service.

00:52:22.927 --> 00:52:24.907
Uh, well, there was, uh, Napster.

00:52:24.938 --> 00:52:26.438
Napster, yeah.

00:52:26.438 --> 00:52:27.757
I had that and I thought it was the greatest.

00:52:27.757 --> 00:52:30.668
I was like, I can download Metallica, don't sue me.

00:52:30.697 --> 00:52:31.568
Uh uh.

00:52:31.927 --> 00:52:32.108
Right.

00:52:32.197 --> 00:52:33.097
They actually sue people.

00:52:33.458 --> 00:52:49.597
Um, I could download real, uh, like amazing content, you know, it was like live shows of bands I loved and totally just, you know, full CDs or whatever, but like, it was all just like random stuff and it was just the wild west of downloading.

00:52:49.657 --> 00:52:50.947
You know what Bit Torrent are?

00:52:50.978 --> 00:52:51.217
Yep.

00:52:51.458 --> 00:52:51.967
I remember that too.

00:52:51.967 --> 00:52:52.358
Yeah.

00:52:52.362 --> 00:52:52.432
Yeah.

00:52:52.438 --> 00:52:54.307
So movies and, and whatever.

00:52:54.307 --> 00:52:54.577
Right.

00:52:54.967 --> 00:52:59.648
Um, and I was like 19, 20 when that was happening, so it was like, wow, this is amazing.

00:52:59.708 --> 00:52:59.858
Right.

00:52:59.858 --> 00:53:00.967
I can't believe I can get this for free.

00:53:00.967 --> 00:53:01.777
I don't have to spend any money.

00:53:01.807 --> 00:53:02.208
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:02.318 --> 00:53:08.137
But later little did you know that it was actually nibbling at the foundation of your real love of music and the ability to ever.

00:53:08.827 --> 00:53:09.878
Really make any money on that, really

00:53:09.878 --> 00:53:10.688
make any money at it.

00:53:10.748 --> 00:53:13.568
And so now the only way to make money is to tour.

00:53:14.378 --> 00:53:16.027
And you know when that shift happens.

00:53:16.027 --> 00:53:27.248
I remember my like favorite artists, you know, the, the David Byrne and the Radiohead and the, you know, these guys are like putting out music however long ago, not that long ago, like 10 years ago or something.

00:53:27.248 --> 00:53:27.398
Yeah.

00:53:28.057 --> 00:53:31.027
Um, they said it, it's free.

00:53:31.597 --> 00:53:35.617
They put it on their own website and they're like, I remember Radiohead was maybe one of the first ones were like, interesting.

00:53:35.648 --> 00:53:36.338
We're not gonna charge you.

00:53:36.338 --> 00:53:36.697
It's free.

00:53:36.998 --> 00:53:37.208
Yeah.

00:53:37.208 --> 00:53:46.297
And like, everyone I knew was like mind blown of like, how could, how could they, the biggest people do that one, it was being pirated underneath through Napster and whatever.

00:53:46.297 --> 00:53:46.307
Anyway.

00:53:46.307 --> 00:53:46.382
Yeah.

00:53:46.382 --> 00:53:48.143
People were stealing anyway, so why not find it?

00:53:48.143 --> 00:53:49.838
So might as get it to all the masses.

00:53:50.288 --> 00:53:53.588
And then the streaming kind of started taking off and I think they were just.

00:53:53.902 --> 00:53:58.193
Ahead of it and that like, um, we're, we're not gonna make money on this anymore.

00:53:58.253 --> 00:53:58.583
Yeah.

00:53:58.672 --> 00:54:02.362
So they could afford to do that and go out there and, and I was so reluctant.

00:54:02.362 --> 00:54:04.972
I remember being very adamant, like, we have to print CDs.

00:54:04.972 --> 00:54:06.893
Like, who doesn't print CDs?

00:54:06.893 --> 00:54:07.882
That's how it's done.

00:54:07.882 --> 00:54:08.967
That's, that's how you make money.

00:54:08.967 --> 00:54:10.853
It's very old school way of thinking now.

00:54:10.853 --> 00:54:11.182
Totally.

00:54:11.422 --> 00:54:13.463
And well, nobody's even got a CD play or hardly

00:54:13.552 --> 00:54:13.853
No.

00:54:14.333 --> 00:54:14.512
Yeah.

00:54:14.693 --> 00:54:15.293
There's no point.

00:54:15.293 --> 00:54:15.413
Right.

00:54:15.503 --> 00:54:18.862
It's like, and every album I've done in the last couple years.

00:54:19.387 --> 00:54:25.628
Because we're all like, of the same age, you know, late forties, early fifties, I guess everyone involved is like, well, we gotta print something.

00:54:25.628 --> 00:54:27.847
And, and really deep down, like, no, we don't.

00:54:28.057 --> 00:54:28.507
Right.

00:54:28.507 --> 00:54:29.557
Nobody wants this.

00:54:29.557 --> 00:54:30.097
Right.

00:54:30.157 --> 00:54:31.387
Nobody wants this.

00:54:31.387 --> 00:54:33.128
Five people in the country want this.

00:54:33.157 --> 00:54:33.277
Right.

00:54:33.277 --> 00:54:33.487
You know?

00:54:33.757 --> 00:54:34.208
Totally.

00:54:34.268 --> 00:54:35.617
Uh, and you can't print five.

00:54:35.677 --> 00:54:37.717
So like, it's just dumb.

00:54:37.748 --> 00:54:40.478
And it, it, it is a very hard way to go now.

00:54:40.538 --> 00:54:48.128
Um, so you, so you have to tour and touring has always been a part of being a musician, but, um, do you, do you actively tour?

00:54:48.398 --> 00:54:55.387
Um, dead Floyd stays really busy and we, we used to do more, you know, since kids, it's more like weekends and stuff.

00:54:55.387 --> 00:54:55.597
Right.

00:54:55.597 --> 00:54:55.927
You'll roll

00:54:55.927 --> 00:54:58.358
down to Colorado Springs or somewhere.

00:54:58.358 --> 00:54:58.657
Exactly.

00:54:58.657 --> 00:54:58.958
Whatever.

00:54:58.958 --> 00:55:00.458
Salida another show, a couple flying

00:55:00.458 --> 00:55:01.297
shows here and there.

00:55:01.358 --> 00:55:01.688
Okay.

00:55:01.748 --> 00:55:03.518
Where like Arizona or.

00:55:04.282 --> 00:55:08.172
Um, Montana or Chicago, we've got some following in the little pockets.

00:55:08.172 --> 00:55:08.637
We've got some following.

00:55:08.643 --> 00:55:13.882
And so the venue, we, we can get paid enough to cover getting flown there and they have the gear there.

00:55:14.152 --> 00:55:17.242
So it has to be like the right mix of situations and big enough venues.

00:55:17.242 --> 00:55:18.233
So you can sell enough tickets.

00:55:18.233 --> 00:55:19.132
We can sell enough tickets.

00:55:19.132 --> 00:55:19.583
Yeah.

00:55:19.943 --> 00:55:27.143
So, so the, the strain on the whole industry at this point is like, well why are ticket prices so high was'cause that's how artists make money, right?

00:55:27.233 --> 00:55:28.043
Uh, yeah.

00:55:28.043 --> 00:55:29.663
We used to be able to buy tickets for 20 bucks.

00:55:29.663 --> 00:55:31.797
'cause they wanted to sell you a CD thing too, and wanted a cd.

00:55:32.003 --> 00:55:34.012
They make an extra$9 on that cd.

00:55:34.043 --> 00:55:34.282
Yeah.

00:55:34.373 --> 00:55:37.492
Now they know when you walk in there, like maybe you'll buy a t-shirt if it's someone you like.

00:55:37.987 --> 00:55:40.297
But most of the money they're gonna make is at the ticket.

00:55:40.327 --> 00:55:40.597
Yep.

00:55:40.628 --> 00:55:41.407
And that's it.

00:55:41.407 --> 00:55:42.938
And so the venue has to make the money and the

00:55:42.938 --> 00:55:45.757
venue makes the money on the drinks and the food and whatever else, but

00:55:45.757 --> 00:55:48.097
they still, you know, they're in, they gotta make their money.

00:55:48.128 --> 00:55:48.367
Right.

00:55:48.398 --> 00:55:50.378
So they're, they went off a piece of the ticket.

00:55:50.407 --> 00:55:50.648
Totally.

00:55:50.648 --> 00:55:52.657
Management on all sides takes a piece of the ticket.

00:55:52.927 --> 00:56:01.507
So it's, it's like, as an artist, you spend 150 bucks on a ticket now, and, and, but to the artists, I mean, they're getting like 30% of that.

00:56:01.568 --> 00:56:04.358
If that, I mean, that's probably being generous in a lot of cases.

00:56:04.777 --> 00:56:07.237
The, the number of times it gets diced up is crazy.

00:56:07.387 --> 00:56:07.628
Yeah.

00:56:07.688 --> 00:56:10.657
Um, and so it, yeah, it's a hard way to go.

00:56:10.657 --> 00:56:16.538
And I think the, uh, for us, you know, we are able to kind of make it work within this Loco area.

00:56:16.538 --> 00:56:17.378
A nichey thing.

00:56:17.378 --> 00:56:19.777
Well, like the Dead Floyd has kind of its own.

00:56:20.213 --> 00:56:20.963
Kind of captured.

00:56:20.992 --> 00:56:21.112
Yeah.

00:56:21.112 --> 00:56:26.873
Not captured niche, but you're probably one of top three dead cover bands around, at least that I'm aware of.

00:56:26.873 --> 00:56:27.563
Well, thank you.

00:56:27.682 --> 00:56:35.813
I'd say we're the best about, maybe, probably, probably the best one, but, but there's, right, and especially you start looking at other regions of the country and stuff, there's, I'm sure there's other,

00:56:35.992 --> 00:56:46.072
there's tons of popular ones, tons and tons of them, and it's, it seems very saturated and, and it's sometimes I feel like, you know, are we just another, another group doing this?

00:56:46.072 --> 00:56:50.693
But I, the thing I've always liked about it, why that that's going on 16 or 17 years now of doing that.

00:56:50.722 --> 00:56:50.963
Okay.

00:56:51.532 --> 00:56:54.353
Uh, and the thing I've always liked about it is, is a couple things.

00:56:54.353 --> 00:56:55.282
One, it's different.

00:56:55.282 --> 00:56:59.963
It's not just playing the Grateful Dead, which I totally, I absolutely love the Grateful Dead, but there's so many people doing it.

00:56:59.963 --> 00:57:06.652
It's, it's almost like playing jazz standards where you could just, you know, if you go to another jazz club, you're gonna hear a lot of the same stuff, same people.

00:57:06.652 --> 00:57:07.552
You can go through the motions.

00:57:07.552 --> 00:57:13.193
You don't really have to put a lot of effort in to get people to show up, and they kind of know what they want and they know what to expect to get it.

00:57:13.853 --> 00:57:16.583
There's nothing wrong with that at all, but that's why I like Shakedown Street better.

00:57:16.583 --> 00:57:16.643
Whoa,

00:57:17.452 --> 00:57:17.663
whoa.

00:57:19.793 --> 00:57:20.123
No comment.

00:57:20.123 --> 00:57:21.472
What's that kid from Boulder?

00:57:21.472 --> 00:57:23.932
The youngsters have a dead cover band down there.

00:57:24.112 --> 00:57:24.773
There's tons of them.

00:57:24.893 --> 00:57:25.737
There's ones all the time.

00:57:25.737 --> 00:57:27.052
Anyway, they were pretty solid.

00:57:27.052 --> 00:57:28.523
Uh, I saw them a couple years ago too.

00:57:28.583 --> 00:57:28.943
Okay.

00:57:28.943 --> 00:57:29.782
Anyway, I digress.

00:57:29.842 --> 00:57:32.663
But, um, but your vibe is a little different, but I think we've always

00:57:32.663 --> 00:57:34.373
been there'cause we do the Pink Floyd mix in there.

00:57:34.373 --> 00:57:34.762
Yeah.

00:57:34.762 --> 00:57:34.943
And it's

00:57:34.943 --> 00:57:38.902
almost like those long transitions, almost like widespread and fish and stuff like that Yeah.

00:57:38.902 --> 00:57:40.463
Is a little bit more your vibe

00:57:40.463 --> 00:57:41.213
of e Exactly.

00:57:41.213 --> 00:57:44.782
So the, the, you know, the jam more jazzy jam, jamy, jazzy It is.

00:57:44.782 --> 00:57:45.172
And that's

00:57:45.172 --> 00:57:46.733
ja not jazzy music, but.

00:57:47.032 --> 00:57:48.682
It's way of the jazz, the improvisational part.

00:57:48.682 --> 00:57:49.043
Jazz musician.

00:57:49.043 --> 00:57:50.003
Yeah, exactly.

00:57:50.003 --> 00:57:54.893
And honestly, that's the only, I don't wanna say the only, that's, nobody knows what you're gonna play because you don't even really know what you're play.

00:57:54.893 --> 00:57:54.922
You don't play.

00:57:54.922 --> 00:57:54.987
We're gonna play.

00:57:54.992 --> 00:57:56.663
And that's the part that I like.

00:57:56.668 --> 00:57:56.748
Yeah.

00:57:56.753 --> 00:57:59.663
You know, so living on the edge of like, this could be awesome.

00:58:00.172 --> 00:58:01.307
Uh, of course it could be.

00:58:01.307 --> 00:58:02.512
It might fall really terrible.

00:58:02.603 --> 00:58:02.932
Yeah.

00:58:03.083 --> 00:58:03.742
It is really fun.

00:58:03.742 --> 00:58:11.543
And it's like very much like, uh, maybe you can relate to, you know, running a business, you're just like, well today this seems like the right thing to do.

00:58:11.572 --> 00:58:11.902
Right.

00:58:11.902 --> 00:58:15.773
You go for it, you spend some money, you put in all this effort, and then you're like, that didn't work.

00:58:15.893 --> 00:58:16.012
Right.

00:58:16.012 --> 00:58:17.152
And then you try something else.

00:58:17.152 --> 00:58:17.302
Yep.

00:58:17.302 --> 00:58:24.202
And improvisationally, I mean, you're talking about like every second you've gotta like, you know, come up with, totally flow with it, come up with ideas.

00:58:24.952 --> 00:58:37.583
But that's kinda like the fun part is like, you just go and every time it is different, you know, it's corny maybe in some ways, but like you truly, when we play whatever popular songs between the two bands, you know, yeah.

00:58:37.612 --> 00:58:45.023
We can play the two most popular songs, but if we put some transitional part in there that's improvisational, uh, that part.

00:58:45.922 --> 00:58:46.672
Is ours.

00:58:46.702 --> 00:58:48.443
That's the most fun for you guys, especially.

00:58:48.443 --> 00:58:50.572
Well, it's like, it's ours as in like, we created that.

00:58:50.577 --> 00:58:50.728
Yep.

00:58:51.293 --> 00:58:54.233
And that we take some ownership of that.

00:58:54.322 --> 00:59:01.702
And I, I've always loved that part of doing that band, and I've known those guys for a long time, so they're, you know, some of my closest friends.

00:59:01.733 --> 00:59:04.643
Um, and they're just good at it.

00:59:04.643 --> 00:59:09.983
You know, they're good at like, being able to kind of ride through the good and the bad and covering your mistakes.

00:59:10.552 --> 00:59:17.032
That's super fun to me, is I, I love improvisational living on the edge of like, this could be terrible or this could be good.

00:59:17.032 --> 00:59:17.362
Yeah.

00:59:18.083 --> 00:59:20.362
Um, so that's why Dead Floyd, I think keeps going.

00:59:20.393 --> 00:59:26.483
And, uh, luckily, you know, Charlie, the guitar player, I was playing with him before Dead Floyd in a different band called The Grip.

00:59:26.842 --> 00:59:27.443
Oh yeah.

00:59:27.443 --> 00:59:28.282
Um, I remember that.

00:59:28.282 --> 00:59:31.822
And um, I did a little bit and it was like a, like a.

00:59:32.527 --> 00:59:35.018
Training time for the Dead Floyd in a way.

00:59:35.047 --> 00:59:37.927
'cause like we just got better at improv and it was an organ trio.

00:59:37.927 --> 00:59:41.197
So it, it's all jazzy, funky, instrumental for the most part.

00:59:42.038 --> 00:59:46.117
And we got better at just listening to each other and me and him a very good job of listening.

00:59:46.117 --> 00:59:50.737
And then when we got to, uh, when that started, kind of slow down.

00:59:51.398 --> 00:59:54.338
Uh, I just remember asking him like, we should just do something fun.

00:59:54.338 --> 00:59:55.478
I've never been in a cover band.

00:59:55.478 --> 00:59:56.438
I never really wanted to be one.

00:59:56.438 --> 00:59:56.737
Yeah.

00:59:56.827 --> 00:59:57.757
I was like, we just do something fun.

00:59:57.757 --> 01:00:07.268
Like, um, I think I know like, you know, all the Grateful Dead, all the Allman Brothers, like all the Pink Floyd, and he's like, I could tell you pretty much every Grateful Dead song by heart.

01:00:07.447 --> 01:00:08.527
Like, like, try me.

01:00:08.527 --> 01:00:09.277
And like he knew it.

01:00:09.277 --> 01:00:09.697
He did.

01:00:09.757 --> 01:00:10.237
Oh, wow.

01:00:10.297 --> 01:00:14.648
And then the other guy who we were like, just chatting with something, we've already got all the skills we need for that.

01:00:14.648 --> 01:00:18.458
Well, and I remember we originally were gonna say like, we're gonna call it like the Monsters of Rock Show or something.

01:00:18.458 --> 01:00:21.427
'cause it was gonna be like just the big names of Classic Rock.

01:00:21.427 --> 01:00:21.728
Sure.

01:00:22.148 --> 01:00:24.458
But, uh, Josh at the time, he was the bass player.

01:00:24.458 --> 01:00:29.228
He was, um, I had known him from Ohio Music scene and he had moved out here randomly.

01:00:29.228 --> 01:00:34.268
I ran into him, I said, oh, hey, me and my buddy Charlie are trying to do this thing and we're just gonna do like Monsters of Rock.

01:00:34.268 --> 01:00:37.568
He's like, I'm pretty sure I know every Pink Floyd song memorized.

01:00:38.092 --> 01:00:39.547
And I was like, really?

01:00:39.547 --> 01:00:41.617
And then he, he did, you know, for the most part.

01:00:42.157 --> 01:00:45.608
And so we all got in the same room and we were like, well, let's figure a few things out.

01:00:45.608 --> 01:00:49.748
And I remember, like, we started talking about other stuff, but pretty quickly we're like.

01:00:50.347 --> 01:00:51.608
Why are we gonna do other stuff?

01:00:51.608 --> 01:00:55.237
And we know, like the full catalog of two of the biggest bands in the world.

01:00:55.237 --> 01:00:55.628
Totally.

01:00:55.628 --> 01:00:58.088
And the most passionate followers that has a lot of overlap.

01:00:58.088 --> 01:00:58.748
Besides it, it's

01:00:58.748 --> 01:00:59.347
something overlap.

01:00:59.347 --> 01:00:59.648
Yeah.

01:00:59.677 --> 01:00:59.797
Yeah.

01:00:59.797 --> 01:01:02.827
Some, I mean, not fully, but some people get confused, but some people get it.

01:01:02.827 --> 01:01:03.188
Yeah.

01:01:03.338 --> 01:01:12.367
Um, and so yeah, it became like, it just kind of like, was like a, you know, light on a light bulb moment of like, I think we should just do those two bands.

01:01:12.367 --> 01:01:13.418
And then Yeah.

01:01:13.418 --> 01:01:20.347
I remember, uh, like, you know, I, I was always trying to think of like the simplest name possible, and I was like, well, we should just call it Dead Floyd.

01:01:20.347 --> 01:01:22.358
And, and like, it was just like, thinkink just kept like rolling.

01:01:22.717 --> 01:01:24.217
We were like, well that's a great idea.

01:01:24.217 --> 01:01:28.568
And then, and so, uh, I remember not Grateful Floyd, uh, grateful Pink.

01:01:30.128 --> 01:01:30.907
That one doesn't roll.

01:01:31.748 --> 01:01:32.467
That sounds little dirty or something.

01:01:32.467 --> 01:01:33.637
Yeah, a little weirder.

01:01:33.967 --> 01:01:36.547
Uh, so it just, yeah, it works.

01:01:36.547 --> 01:01:38.018
And so that one again is like.

01:01:39.307 --> 01:01:41.288
Drawing on the two largest fan bases.

01:01:41.347 --> 01:01:41.498
Yeah.

01:01:41.498 --> 01:01:42.128
Of classic rock.

01:01:42.128 --> 01:01:42.307
Totally.

01:01:42.307 --> 01:01:46.297
So, um, you know, we have a nice built-in crowd if you like, either band, you probably like it.

01:01:46.657 --> 01:01:48.338
If you like both bands, you probably really like it.

01:01:48.338 --> 01:01:48.668
For those

01:01:48.668 --> 01:01:51.967
that don't know Musketeer Grip Weed, uh, how would you wanna Yeah.

01:01:51.998 --> 01:01:53.947
Describe their uh, subset?

01:01:54.427 --> 01:01:58.088
The grip weed is just very bluesy driven.

01:01:58.148 --> 01:01:58.327
Yeah.

01:01:58.688 --> 01:02:00.637
Bluesy, rock driven with a little bit of soul.

01:02:01.027 --> 01:02:03.967
Um, mostly originals, occasional covers.

01:02:03.998 --> 01:02:05.407
Yeah, it's almost all original.

01:02:05.407 --> 01:02:07.507
Definitely throw a few covers in there for fun on the live shows.

01:02:07.507 --> 01:02:11.347
But, um, you know, I always had a good message.

01:02:11.347 --> 01:02:13.538
Jason was always very positive person.

01:02:13.597 --> 01:02:13.838
Yeah.

01:02:13.838 --> 01:02:22.688
Um, it's hard to be positive in this times, these times these days, but he was generally, at least back then was more positive and I think he's got more cynical.

01:02:23.018 --> 01:02:24.757
Well, it's happens to most of us.

01:02:24.757 --> 01:02:25.057
Really.

01:02:25.057 --> 01:02:25.117
Yeah.

01:02:25.538 --> 01:02:31.088
Um, and so again, just having, like knowing Matt from Dead Floyd keyboard player Yeah.

01:02:31.237 --> 01:02:31.867
Knowing Jason A.

01:02:31.867 --> 01:02:34.358
Little bit, it just kind of was easy to slide over to that.

01:02:34.387 --> 01:02:36.128
And, um.

01:02:36.552 --> 01:02:41.143
He's got a little bit like a, um, a Chris Robinson from Black Crows kind of voice.

01:02:41.172 --> 01:02:41.443
Yeah.

01:02:41.443 --> 01:02:41.452
Yeah.

01:02:41.833 --> 01:02:42.762
And I was like black.

01:02:42.762 --> 01:02:44.382
I mean these are like things, all things I like.

01:02:44.507 --> 01:02:45.222
And so just like easy.

01:02:45.222 --> 01:02:45.882
One of my favorite

01:02:45.882 --> 01:02:55.543
shows ever was Chris Robinson, um, with kind of his own thing as Black Crows was kind of winding down and they had a Black Crows concert in Denver.

01:02:55.603 --> 01:02:55.873
Yeah.

01:02:55.873 --> 01:03:00.282
And then starting at one o'clock in the morning was Chris Robinson and his new trio

01:03:00.373 --> 01:03:00.733
Oh wow.

01:03:00.793 --> 01:03:01.452
In Boulder.

01:03:01.603 --> 01:03:01.902
Yeah.

01:03:01.992 --> 01:03:12.163
And so we had tickets to the one o'clock show that got out at like three 30 in the morning and I was the designated driver'cause I was willing to only smoke weed, not drink alcohol back in the day and stuff.

01:03:12.163 --> 01:03:21.913
And uh, one of the best shows actually that I've been to, it was just so authentically, like it was him carving a new path outside of the Black Crows.

01:03:21.913 --> 01:03:22.213
Yeah.

01:03:22.302 --> 01:03:26.563
It kind of set him apart from his brother who was musically maybe more talented.

01:03:26.563 --> 01:03:27.193
And yeah.

01:03:27.222 --> 01:03:30.733
Writing songs, I would think that's probably true lyrically and vocally much more talented.

01:03:30.733 --> 01:03:31.123
Totally.

01:03:31.182 --> 01:03:31.512
And.

01:03:32.018 --> 01:03:33.338
He's, he's fantastic.

01:03:33.338 --> 01:03:38.617
So it, the sound of grip weed kind of is rooted in a lot of that just bluesy rock.

01:03:38.617 --> 01:03:44.947
But then we're all like, for the most part, uh, uh, big into, you know, I grew up like listening to Phish.

01:03:44.947 --> 01:03:46.177
That was like my band of choice.

01:03:46.177 --> 01:03:46.358
Okay.

01:03:46.418 --> 01:03:55.507
And then, you know, after high school and stuff, um, I got, I didn't get into the Grateful Dead till like way later and like these jam bands, but like Phish was like the first one I was introduced to.

01:03:55.507 --> 01:03:58.237
I was like, oh, I love this improvisational part of what you're doing.

01:03:58.507 --> 01:04:00.128
I had never seen that or heard that.

01:04:00.132 --> 01:04:00.242
Yeah.

01:04:00.248 --> 01:04:00.458
Yeah.

01:04:00.458 --> 01:04:01.387
And it was all live stuff.

01:04:01.387 --> 01:04:03.487
So I came back around to that later.

01:04:03.547 --> 01:04:07.628
Um, and, uh, everyone in that band is really into that.

01:04:07.717 --> 01:04:10.268
We don't do like that part as much.

01:04:10.268 --> 01:04:11.882
It was just little, like more like traditional songs.

01:04:11.882 --> 01:04:11.963
Yeah.

01:04:11.963 --> 01:04:12.788
It's more like classic, uh,

01:04:13.123 --> 01:04:14.858
the, the Blues Rock combo.

01:04:14.887 --> 01:04:15.367
Blues rock.

01:04:15.367 --> 01:04:19.867
But, but it, it definitely dip into like more soul stuff and bad stuff.

01:04:19.867 --> 01:04:23.168
You know, we're out some stuff for the, we have a 20th anniversary show coming up.

01:04:23.197 --> 01:04:23.918
Oh, when's that?

01:04:23.978 --> 01:04:25.117
December 13th.

01:04:25.822 --> 01:04:28.492
This episode probably won't be out before then, but, uh, that's okay.

01:04:28.492 --> 01:04:29.182
You just missed it.

01:04:29.182 --> 01:04:29.722
If you're listening.

01:04:29.722 --> 01:04:29.842
Yeah.

01:04:30.563 --> 01:04:31.132
We'll see what we'll do.

01:04:31.132 --> 01:04:32.003
Maybe you personally.

01:04:32.063 --> 01:04:32.663
Yeah, for sure.

01:04:32.663 --> 01:04:33.023
I'll come.

01:04:33.023 --> 01:04:33.623
Where's where?

01:04:33.623 --> 01:04:34.342
Uh, at the Aggie.

01:04:34.402 --> 01:04:34.822
At the Aggie.

01:04:34.822 --> 01:04:35.182
Perfect.

01:04:35.213 --> 01:04:35.452
Okay.

01:04:35.663 --> 01:04:44.063
And, um, uh, you know, we got a, at some point the guitar player, his name's Aaron, he had twins, so he left, kind of take care of the family.

01:04:44.063 --> 01:04:47.782
And then Lance Ruby, who plays with a bunch of people, he stepped in.

01:04:48.443 --> 01:04:51.682
And so just last night actually Aaron came over and he was playing with us.

01:04:51.682 --> 01:04:51.773
Cool.

01:04:51.773 --> 01:04:52.822
He's gonna sit on a few songs.

01:04:52.972 --> 01:04:53.333
Oh, nice.

01:04:53.393 --> 01:04:53.753
It's cool.

01:04:53.753 --> 01:04:55.643
It's, it's evolved like tremendously.

01:04:55.643 --> 01:05:02.032
And I think when Aaron left it, it was already maybe kind of on this like down slide of doing it for a while.

01:05:03.217 --> 01:05:03.367
Yeah.

01:05:03.367 --> 01:05:04.057
What's new?

01:05:04.057 --> 01:05:04.523
What's jazz?

01:05:04.523 --> 01:05:04.693
What's new?

01:05:04.693 --> 01:05:04.807
Yeah.

01:05:04.807 --> 01:05:05.648
It's of Lost Bit

01:05:05.648 --> 01:05:06.097
Energy.

01:05:06.188 --> 01:05:06.398
Yeah.

01:05:06.458 --> 01:05:10.717
And then Lance comes around and he's just like a ball of energy with Musically, and he, he's got so many ideas.

01:05:10.898 --> 01:05:11.228
Gotcha.

01:05:11.228 --> 01:05:13.237
And instantly he came in and he is like, I think we should try this.

01:05:13.237 --> 01:05:20.557
And like, it's kind of come back up in a way where it's been really fun to just, um, reinvent some of those old tunes and Yeah.

01:05:20.588 --> 01:05:22.867
Write, we've written two albums with Lance that have been Oh wow.

01:05:22.987 --> 01:05:23.378
Been,

01:05:23.588 --> 01:05:24.458
you know, great.

01:05:24.487 --> 01:05:24.938
Very cool.

01:05:25.027 --> 01:05:26.257
And tell me about Ruby Stew.

01:05:26.467 --> 01:05:30.967
I assume that's Lance Ruby and you, or the names kind of a little bit, but yeah.

01:05:31.027 --> 01:05:34.958
So now Ruby's kind of this fresh energy that's pulling people together.

01:05:34.958 --> 01:05:36.518
Is that a durable concept or?

01:05:36.518 --> 01:05:37.097
We'll see, yeah.

01:05:37.103 --> 01:05:37.322
No.

01:05:37.807 --> 01:05:37.907
Yeah, it's,

01:05:37.987 --> 01:05:38.918
we've been having a lot of fun.

01:05:38.918 --> 01:05:39.398
It, um.

01:05:39.967 --> 01:05:54.518
Yeah, again, everything's like a roller coaster music, but as group weed, when Lance joined, it kind of went back up for many years and then I wouldn't say it's come down, but it's, we've all just become busier and getting that group together has become very hard.

01:05:54.518 --> 01:05:55.387
Um, yeah, big group.

01:05:55.387 --> 01:05:55.867
Like that.

01:05:55.987 --> 01:06:00.518
Big group and, and just, um, so there's not as much happening there right now.

01:06:00.518 --> 01:06:09.248
So in the meantime, while that's not actively doing a lot, um, Lance and I were just chatting one day about like, Hey, you know, like I had some ideas.

01:06:09.248 --> 01:06:10.088
He had some ideas.

01:06:10.268 --> 01:06:10.327
Yeah.

01:06:10.447 --> 01:06:11.318
I was like, this would be really fun.

01:06:11.318 --> 01:06:12.938
Just, just to play.

01:06:13.387 --> 01:06:14.648
Really awesome.

01:06:14.918 --> 01:06:16.898
More traditional blues.

01:06:16.927 --> 01:06:17.168
Cool.

01:06:17.168 --> 01:06:21.878
And not like full on like boring, like, you know, d uh, sweet Home Chicago or something, you know?

01:06:22.237 --> 01:06:27.398
But, but in that vein of like, just a little bit more like just Well done.

01:06:27.487 --> 01:06:27.757
Yeah.

01:06:27.757 --> 01:06:28.418
Simple.

01:06:28.807 --> 01:06:33.128
And, uh, Dana, who plays in Dead Floyd, uh, said you went into this idea, right?

01:06:33.128 --> 01:06:34.447
He's also a great singer.

01:06:34.717 --> 01:06:35.648
He said, I love it.

01:06:35.737 --> 01:06:39.157
And then Chris, who plays with, uh, tumble Dun Shaq, which is another dead thing.

01:06:39.188 --> 01:06:39.398
Yep.

01:06:39.518 --> 01:06:40.958
He's a great singer and keyboard player.

01:06:40.958 --> 01:06:45.458
So it kind of just came together really organically where I was like, Hey, what do you think of this idea?

01:06:45.458 --> 01:06:52.358
I was like, could, like I have, this is no slight on the blues bands in the area, but like, I haven't seen a lot of great blues bands in this.

01:06:52.358 --> 01:06:53.047
No, not really.

01:06:53.047 --> 01:06:53.632
Region Uhuh.

01:06:53.708 --> 01:06:58.597
I don't think they're like doing it as, it's just kinda like, again, back to like, well that whole genre isn't

01:06:58.597 --> 01:07:02.947
really, hasn't really been a significant thing in the popular music.

01:07:03.293 --> 01:07:03.833
Uh, yeah.

01:07:04.898 --> 01:07:06.038
It, yeah, it isn't, it's been a little while.

01:07:06.038 --> 01:07:07.358
It's been a while and it's tough.

01:07:07.447 --> 01:07:10.027
Certainly not popular music, but it, it just is.

01:07:10.373 --> 01:07:21.353
It's the same easy thing of the jazz standards or the Grateful Dead standards of like, yeah, you can get paid to be a musician, to show up to a blues bar and play the same 1, 4, 5 chord progression over and over.

01:07:21.353 --> 01:07:21.443
Right?

01:07:21.443 --> 01:07:24.358
I'm like a million songs and I just wanna shoot myself at the end of that.

01:07:24.358 --> 01:07:26.333
And at the end of the night, yeah, the singing can be terrible.

01:07:26.333 --> 01:07:31.103
The guitar playing can be terrible, but, but the band can make a little bit of money and have some fun.

01:07:31.163 --> 01:07:31.373
Yeah.

01:07:31.373 --> 01:07:32.302
And there's nothing wrong with that.

01:07:32.963 --> 01:07:46.132
I've never seen too many, I shouldn't say never, but I've, I've rarely seen too many great blues bands in this region who just crush it and on all those fronts, like really simple things, great vocals, harmonies, and great guitar.

01:07:46.342 --> 01:07:46.733
Yeah, probably.

01:07:46.733 --> 01:07:47.963
And that's kinda what we were trying to do.

01:07:48.052 --> 01:07:48.563
Oberman.

01:07:49.253 --> 01:07:52.402
Uh, I dunno, uh, what the heck is his, uh.

01:07:52.972 --> 01:07:53.663
Band's name.

01:07:53.663 --> 01:07:55.523
He's a former dentist in town.

01:07:55.552 --> 01:08:01.748
Uh, anyway, they've got a pretty big bluesy kind of thing and he's been put part of the Greeley Blues Festival thing and stuff.

01:08:02.092 --> 01:08:02.333
Yeah.

01:08:02.333 --> 01:08:04.672
And I, and I, again, I'm not like explaining anything, but probably the most known.

01:08:04.793 --> 01:08:05.003
Yeah.

01:08:05.003 --> 01:08:09.713
But it's also like one of those really big band concepts where you gotta pull together eight people kind of thing.

01:08:09.713 --> 01:08:09.952
Yeah.

01:08:09.952 --> 01:08:10.268
A horn stuff.

01:08:10.733 --> 01:08:11.902
Yeah, a bunch of stuff like that.

01:08:12.172 --> 01:08:14.213
I'm reflecting, remembering actually.

01:08:14.483 --> 01:08:23.332
So a year after I moved to Fort Collins, I moved up to Horsetooth for, and lived in a studio apartment up there just half a mile away from the, the tavern.

01:08:23.422 --> 01:08:24.262
Mm-hmm.

01:08:24.502 --> 01:08:31.672
And in that year, at least a half dozen times, I got invited to house parties with like blues bands and stuff.

01:08:31.672 --> 01:08:39.502
And I've sung like improvisational lyrics with a blues background kind of thing and just kind of made it up as I went.

01:08:39.502 --> 01:08:40.912
And you know, over the years I've.

01:08:41.587 --> 01:08:44.287
Sung a thousand songs that went down the shower drain.

01:08:44.302 --> 01:08:45.068
Yeah, yeah.

01:08:45.158 --> 01:08:56.858
And never wrote down any of'em, kind of, but just kind of get that tune in my head and, and so I think that there's an opportunity potentially to have kind of some of that improv influence from Dead Floyd, but with a Blues driven Yeah.

01:08:57.037 --> 01:08:57.877
Core that.

01:08:58.198 --> 01:08:59.757
Is suitable because yeah.

01:08:59.938 --> 01:09:03.898
Near the heart of Blues is kind of that on the street corner, just singing about my life.

01:09:03.927 --> 01:09:04.018
Right?

01:09:04.018 --> 01:09:04.677
Yeah.

01:09:04.677 --> 01:09:04.688
Yeah.

01:09:04.688 --> 01:09:04.978
I mean,

01:09:04.978 --> 01:09:06.597
singing something bad to make you feel good.

01:09:06.898 --> 01:09:07.078
Right.

01:09:07.318 --> 01:09:09.177
And, um, I, I think so.

01:09:09.177 --> 01:09:15.207
I just think, you know, and again, it's not a slight on any of the blues bands in this area, it's just I haven't personally, and I've not seen them all either.

01:09:15.268 --> 01:09:15.507
Sure.

01:09:15.507 --> 01:09:17.847
But I personally have not seen a lot of great ones.

01:09:18.148 --> 01:09:24.627
And, uh, I just thought with that particular collection of people, like, wow, we could do just the blues really well.

01:09:24.627 --> 01:09:27.448
But already it's, it's, we played three shows.

01:09:27.927 --> 01:09:29.547
We sold out Vos on our first show.

01:09:29.547 --> 01:09:29.637
Nice.

01:09:29.637 --> 01:09:30.177
That was great.

01:09:30.177 --> 01:09:31.347
You know, or our third show I guess.

01:09:31.347 --> 01:09:37.408
But, um, uh, you know, there's a, there's a little bit of an interest in demand there, I guess, and people are like, what is it?

01:09:37.497 --> 01:09:37.797
Yeah.

01:09:37.858 --> 01:09:44.398
But we've done mostly covers at this point, and it's been a lot of, like, it's, it's branched outside of just traditional blues.

01:09:44.398 --> 01:09:44.488
Right.

01:09:44.488 --> 01:09:45.927
We've gotten into some soul and stuff.

01:09:45.927 --> 01:09:46.542
Put some flavor in it.

01:09:47.002 --> 01:09:50.842
Still pretty bluesy base of like, how many different ways can we spin the blues?

01:09:50.993 --> 01:09:51.262
Yeah.

01:09:51.323 --> 01:09:56.273
And just, uh, what was it last week or the week before we got together and we're like, we're writing some original songs and cool.

01:09:56.302 --> 01:09:58.252
Very like cool spins on the blues.

01:09:58.792 --> 01:10:05.092
So probably within the next, I don't know, year or so, we will put out some, put an album together and Spotify can make all the money.

01:10:05.153 --> 01:10:05.783
You gotta print some

01:10:05.783 --> 01:10:06.382
CDs?

01:10:06.712 --> 01:10:06.893
Yeah,

01:10:07.432 --> 01:10:08.962
we won't print anything'cause I won't even buy.

01:10:09.382 --> 01:10:11.993
But I, I love how it sounded, I was listening today actually.

01:10:11.993 --> 01:10:14.122
Just'cause I, we, we, it's just phone recordings.

01:10:14.122 --> 01:10:16.403
Can I find it on, uh, Spotify or anything yet?

01:10:16.432 --> 01:10:18.082
No, these are like idea recordings.

01:10:18.113 --> 01:10:18.382
Fair enough.

01:10:18.412 --> 01:10:18.653
So

01:10:18.832 --> 01:10:20.813
someone puts their phone in the middle of the room, right?

01:10:20.813 --> 01:10:21.832
Yeah, it captures it.

01:10:22.132 --> 01:10:24.533
But like, you know, it's, well that it's easier

01:10:24.533 --> 01:10:25.823
to relocate it again, right?

01:10:25.882 --> 01:10:26.363
Oh yeah.

01:10:26.393 --> 01:10:27.712
'cause we're not getting together all that often.

01:10:27.712 --> 01:10:27.953
Right.

01:10:27.953 --> 01:10:28.882
You know, every once in a while.

01:10:28.912 --> 01:10:30.622
But it's, these are great ideas that come

01:10:30.622 --> 01:10:30.802
together.

01:10:30.802 --> 01:10:32.453
I want to call a short break.

01:10:32.632 --> 01:10:33.172
Um, yeah.

01:10:33.203 --> 01:10:41.752
Mostly because I wanna pee, but when we come back we will, um, go back to Little Stew in Ohio and find out where you found that love for music and Okay.

01:10:41.903 --> 01:10:44.422
Distaste for the institutional.

01:10:45.342 --> 01:10:45.672
Yeah.

01:10:46.063 --> 01:10:46.932
Sticking it to the man.

01:10:46.993 --> 01:10:47.353
Yeah.

01:10:47.412 --> 01:10:48.103
Yeah, exactly.

01:10:48.162 --> 01:10:48.613
Sounds good.

01:10:48.882 --> 01:10:49.153
Alright.

01:11:39.274 --> 01:11:40.173
And we are back.

01:11:41.314 --> 01:11:41.854
Um.

01:11:42.929 --> 01:11:45.719
We said when we left that we were going to jump in the time machine.

01:11:46.349 --> 01:11:46.708
Yeah.

01:11:46.708 --> 01:11:47.759
Let, let's And uh,

01:11:47.759 --> 01:11:48.748
to Ohio.

01:11:48.958 --> 01:11:49.078
Mm-hmm.

01:11:49.349 --> 01:11:52.259
I've actually got some Ohio people from Fort Collins in my world.

01:11:52.259 --> 01:11:56.548
Do you know Russ or Ned or Andrea Lucas?

01:11:56.548 --> 01:11:58.229
I think she was from Columbus actually.

01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.569
Um, Russ is in, uh, choice City.

01:12:00.628 --> 01:12:00.868
Yeah.

01:12:00.899 --> 01:12:01.288
Yeah.

01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.359
I mean I know Russ through that from after here.

01:12:03.389 --> 01:12:03.658
Yeah.

01:12:04.259 --> 01:12:07.408
I think he's, I figured living back, he moved back there like six months ago now.

01:12:07.408 --> 01:12:07.559
Yeah.

01:12:07.559 --> 01:12:08.759
They sold their place on the lake.

01:12:09.179 --> 01:12:09.359
Yeah.

01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:16.708
I'm not that, never been that close with him, but I knew that about him'cause when I went into Choice City, they would have type of potato chips that I thought only existed in Ohio.

01:12:16.859 --> 01:12:17.189
Right.

01:12:17.219 --> 01:12:19.109
And that's the only other place I've ever seen him.

01:12:19.139 --> 01:12:19.408
Yeah.

01:12:19.708 --> 01:12:22.769
And uh, so I was asking like, where, how did you know about

01:12:22.769 --> 01:12:22.859
this?

01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:28.618
When I first moved here, I fell in, I didn't know anybody'cause I was sight unseen, so I fell in with, it was kind of a Wyoming group.

01:12:28.623 --> 01:12:28.734
Mm-hmm.

01:12:28.814 --> 01:12:29.668
An Ohio group.

01:12:29.729 --> 01:12:29.969
Yeah.

01:12:29.969 --> 01:12:30.328
Nice.

01:12:30.448 --> 01:12:31.439
And, uh, you know.

01:12:31.498 --> 01:12:32.128
Yeah.

01:12:32.219 --> 01:12:34.139
Um, there's a lot of Ohioans out here.

01:12:34.139 --> 01:12:35.069
There are, yeah.

01:12:35.493 --> 01:12:35.613
I,

01:12:35.878 --> 01:12:39.328
I, well if Ari especially,'cause that's when Ohio was really becoming the rust belt.

01:12:39.929 --> 01:12:40.769
Kind of, yeah.

01:12:40.859 --> 01:12:42.479
And opportunities were scarcer.

01:12:42.569 --> 01:12:43.333
Yeah, I think so.

01:12:43.333 --> 01:12:45.389
It's, it's improved since then, I think economically.

01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:48.658
Well, and like rusts and a lot of people I know grew up in more rural areas.

01:12:48.658 --> 01:12:52.708
I grew up in Columbus, which is a, you know, the largest city in colo in, in, uh, Ohio.

01:12:52.708 --> 01:12:57.389
And it's not that far from, uh, uh, Denver, you know, like Right.

01:12:57.418 --> 01:12:58.274
In terms of population.

01:12:58.274 --> 01:12:59.014
So it's a huge city.

01:12:59.069 --> 01:12:59.668
It's got everything.

01:12:59.673 --> 01:12:59.854
Yeah.

01:12:59.859 --> 01:13:00.059
Yeah.

01:13:00.059 --> 01:13:00.868
It's got everything.

01:13:00.929 --> 01:13:03.809
Um, major sports, major entertainment, major, everything.

01:13:04.469 --> 01:13:05.338
Um, and what was your

01:13:05.338 --> 01:13:06.088
scene like?

01:13:06.088 --> 01:13:08.578
Were you part small family, big family?

01:13:08.668 --> 01:13:10.288
Was your dad college professor?

01:13:11.038 --> 01:13:17.819
No, um, uh, my, my dad is an entrepreneur, well, he's a very good small business owner.

01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:20.038
He started a, a franchise.

01:13:20.849 --> 01:13:22.828
Um, he met my mom in Boston.

01:13:22.828 --> 01:13:28.679
He was working as a salesman for a, a, uh, I forget what it was like, like not a chemical company.

01:13:28.679 --> 01:13:32.189
It was, I was maybe like, kind of like dow, you know, like, okay, make products, whatever.

01:13:32.908 --> 01:13:34.319
And anyway, they met there.

01:13:34.378 --> 01:13:38.248
And then my grandfather, which is my mom's dad.

01:13:38.878 --> 01:13:46.048
Introduced him to this guy outta Philly who was starting a franchise for a, a business that he had started.

01:13:46.048 --> 01:13:47.458
And it's called Multi Flow.

01:13:48.029 --> 01:13:48.208
Okay.

01:13:48.208 --> 01:13:51.779
And multi flow is basically all the equipment you've seen behind the bars.

01:13:52.229 --> 01:13:52.288
Oh.

01:13:52.288 --> 01:13:55.979
So he had the little zapper, the guns for the soda water and the Coke

01:13:56.338 --> 01:13:59.488
Squirt Pepsi lemonade, and then everything, you know, orange juice.

01:13:59.519 --> 01:13:59.878
Yeah.

01:13:59.939 --> 01:14:01.019
And like you could get anything on it.

01:14:01.109 --> 01:14:01.408
Yeah.

01:14:01.408 --> 01:14:05.878
And the gun and the ice bin and the way the probably rack the zero two powering units and stuff.

01:14:05.908 --> 01:14:06.208
Yeah.

01:14:06.238 --> 01:14:07.588
Everything that has to go behind the bar.

01:14:07.618 --> 01:14:07.918
Okay.

01:14:08.309 --> 01:14:16.048
Uh, it was for multi flow and so this guy was franchising it out and my mom's dad, my grandfather introduced him and they said, so it's

01:14:16.048 --> 01:14:17.429
actually a pretty interesting franchise.

01:14:17.429 --> 01:14:22.889
Like we think about restaurants and plumbing business and stuff, but in that case, like I've got everything.

01:14:22.889 --> 01:14:26.908
Your customer, your Wouldbe customers need to have a much better bar setup experience.

01:14:26.939 --> 01:14:27.208
Yeah.

01:14:27.269 --> 01:14:33.809
And you know, similar to, you know, what I am to the community colleges or universities, you know, it's a.

01:14:34.154 --> 01:14:35.264
It's a third party alternative.

01:14:35.264 --> 01:14:36.073
So you deliver the goods?

01:14:36.104 --> 01:14:36.554
Yeah.

01:14:36.974 --> 01:14:37.814
You can go to Coke.

01:14:37.844 --> 01:14:38.623
You can go to Pepsi.

01:14:38.654 --> 01:14:38.894
Right.

01:14:38.923 --> 01:14:40.844
It's gonna be bigger scales.

01:14:40.844 --> 01:14:47.953
So get to buy more and it's gonna be, um, you know, more options of whatever they sell, but it's, uh, cheaper in that regard.

01:14:48.163 --> 01:14:48.224
Yeah.

01:14:48.224 --> 01:14:50.774
But you also don't get like someone to come help you have a problem.

01:14:50.774 --> 01:14:52.394
And, you know, customer service, same thing.

01:14:53.054 --> 01:14:57.014
And so multi flow is this third party alternative where they have all of the same products.

01:14:57.014 --> 01:14:58.094
You can buy Coke through them.

01:14:58.094 --> 01:15:00.854
You can buy Pepsi through them, but then they would have multi flow cola.

01:15:01.333 --> 01:15:04.993
So if you're a, a shitty college bar like Trailhead here.

01:15:04.993 --> 01:15:05.894
Right, right, right.

01:15:05.894 --> 01:15:07.649
I mean, I like Trailhead, but you know, it's whatever college bar.

01:15:07.649 --> 01:15:07.809
Yeah.

01:15:07.809 --> 01:15:07.969
We don't

01:15:08.113 --> 01:15:09.163
have Coke or Pepsi.

01:15:09.554 --> 01:15:10.154
We've got Cola.

01:15:10.154 --> 01:15:10.394
We've got

01:15:10.394 --> 01:15:10.904
Cola.

01:15:10.963 --> 01:15:11.173
Yeah.

01:15:11.444 --> 01:15:12.463
That's what they sell.

01:15:12.493 --> 01:15:12.793
Yeah.

01:15:12.884 --> 01:15:15.283
And so if you go order a rum and coke, do you really give a shit?

01:15:15.283 --> 01:15:16.663
If it's Coca-Cola?

01:15:16.694 --> 01:15:17.293
No, not really.

01:15:17.323 --> 01:15:18.463
Most people can never tell the difference.

01:15:18.493 --> 01:15:18.734
Right.

01:15:19.033 --> 01:15:20.894
Um, and whiskey, Coke, whatever.

01:15:20.894 --> 01:15:21.884
It's mixed with something.

01:15:21.913 --> 01:15:23.564
So that was your, so that's what he did?

01:15:23.564 --> 01:15:23.623
Yeah.

01:15:23.623 --> 01:15:25.604
So he started, so he moved, they moved from Boston.

01:15:25.694 --> 01:15:28.213
Uh, my mom's, uh, whole family's from Cleveland.

01:15:28.219 --> 01:15:28.448
Okay.

01:15:28.448 --> 01:15:30.583
Uh, so she was in Ohio and anyway.

01:15:30.583 --> 01:15:33.344
And so they took the, or started the franchise in Columbus.

01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:36.359
And so he grew it up to be really big.

01:15:36.389 --> 01:15:39.269
Um, he, you know, he, he was a great salesman.

01:15:39.269 --> 01:15:40.529
He still is like such a talker.

01:15:40.529 --> 01:15:40.769
So he was

01:15:40.769 --> 01:15:43.168
selling other people to buy the franchise?

01:15:43.198 --> 01:15:43.559
Uh, no.

01:15:43.559 --> 01:15:45.479
To, or or he was just having customers to Yeah.

01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:46.588
To get the customers selling bars.

01:15:46.649 --> 01:15:46.918
Yeah.

01:15:46.918 --> 01:15:48.389
Delivering buy the products.

01:15:48.389 --> 01:15:48.809
Co cola.

01:15:48.838 --> 01:15:49.109
Yeah.

01:15:49.109 --> 01:15:50.038
And the, all the equipment.

01:15:50.038 --> 01:15:54.328
And he was, this is, uh, you know, mid eighties ish or Yeah.

01:15:54.389 --> 01:15:54.868
Early eighties.

01:15:54.868 --> 01:15:58.288
And so he was very much all about just walking into bars.

01:15:58.378 --> 01:15:58.798
How you doing?

01:15:58.798 --> 01:15:59.368
My name's Jeff.

01:15:59.429 --> 01:15:59.698
Yeah.

01:15:59.729 --> 01:16:00.658
And try to sell something.

01:16:00.779 --> 01:16:00.988
Yeah.

01:16:01.048 --> 01:16:03.149
And he was good at it, and he really did a good job with that.

01:16:03.149 --> 01:16:03.929
He was a great salesman.

01:16:03.929 --> 01:16:05.578
He was a shitty business owner.

01:16:05.878 --> 01:16:06.029
Okay.

01:16:06.029 --> 01:16:11.009
And if he's ever listens to this, he'll, you know, he'll be mad I said that, but, um, he probably knows it.

01:16:11.009 --> 01:16:11.099
Yeah.

01:16:11.158 --> 01:16:17.279
He, I think he knew that, but he, he didn't know, like talk about like, you know, from where I sit at least today.

01:16:17.908 --> 01:16:23.969
Uh, as a business owner, I put systems in place and the systems are what the business uses to run.

01:16:24.029 --> 01:16:24.389
Right?

01:16:24.448 --> 01:16:26.038
People come and you work the system.

01:16:26.069 --> 01:16:27.059
He was winging it all the time.

01:16:27.118 --> 01:16:27.929
He was constantly winging it.

01:16:27.929 --> 01:16:29.908
He had zero systems, he knew nothing.

01:16:29.908 --> 01:16:31.859
And this is, you know, computers were barely taken off.

01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.338
Uh, but even paper systems, which existed forever, right?

01:16:35.368 --> 01:16:36.658
He did not do a good job with that.

01:16:36.658 --> 01:16:40.798
And so for years he was just getting ripped off'cause it was a very cash business at the time.

01:16:41.189 --> 01:16:41.668
And well, and he is

01:16:41.668 --> 01:16:48.179
taking phone calls to fix things that he could have just had fixed because they had a brochure that said How to fix this your damn self or whatever.

01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.538
So many, so many examples of things that like would've made it a better business.

01:16:51.538 --> 01:16:53.338
He would've made more money and been more successful.

01:16:53.908 --> 01:16:57.418
But he did really well and he grew it into like a nice sized business.

01:16:57.418 --> 01:16:57.479
Yeah.

01:16:57.538 --> 01:17:00.448
Um, you have siblings and I have an older sister, yeah.

01:17:00.448 --> 01:17:00.479
Okay.

01:17:00.538 --> 01:17:07.559
And, uh, she got into more like design, which I kind of follow her a little bit of like being, she's so much better design, but with a lot

01:17:07.559 --> 01:17:09.323
more it element of you kind of.

01:17:09.328 --> 01:17:10.229
Um, yeah, I was just

01:17:10.229 --> 01:17:11.248
more into the computer side.

01:17:11.248 --> 01:17:13.198
She was more into like the visual and her.

01:17:13.573 --> 01:17:19.064
She, she does, uh, branding and identity for, um, some really large organizations.

01:17:19.064 --> 01:17:19.154
Cool.

01:17:19.154 --> 01:17:30.854
And agencies outta Chicago, and now she's doing it, um, like independently freelance for the ones she's working on right now is like some, uh, brands of, of, uh, Doritos going overseas.

01:17:30.884 --> 01:17:31.274
Oh, okay.

01:17:31.514 --> 01:17:33.673
Uh, she's working on soup, right?

01:17:33.734 --> 01:17:35.684
Uh, V eight, you know, when the new label

01:17:35.684 --> 01:17:38.024
comes out, she's got her fingers on it and sometimes they're like,

01:17:38.024 --> 01:17:42.644
test market, so they'll make one and they'll send it to like India or something and like, will anybody buy this weird flavor?

01:17:42.673 --> 01:17:43.543
I met a, a guy,

01:17:43.543 --> 01:17:46.663
a marketer the other day that, uh, does Indian motorcycles, but.

01:17:47.144 --> 01:17:48.344
Only outside of the us.

01:17:48.404 --> 01:17:48.734
Yeah.

01:17:48.823 --> 01:17:53.684
So he is helping design the br, the branding and the marketing materials for, for the international, for Japan market.

01:17:53.684 --> 01:17:53.774
Yeah.

01:17:53.774 --> 01:17:55.213
And the Germany market and all that.

01:17:55.274 --> 01:17:55.453
Yeah.

01:17:55.453 --> 01:17:55.543
And

01:17:55.543 --> 01:17:56.234
there's a lot in that.

01:17:56.234 --> 01:17:56.984
And so she's, yeah, you

01:17:56.984 --> 01:18:00.069
gotta be consistent with the brand, but you also have to be relevant to the place.

01:18:00.069 --> 01:18:04.154
And you have to know how to, how to, you know, make that evolutionary kind of change there.

01:18:04.154 --> 01:18:06.194
Make sure it's like interesting, similar but different.

01:18:06.703 --> 01:18:07.753
And, um, was your mom, uh.

01:18:07.798 --> 01:18:08.578
Watch you

01:18:08.698 --> 01:18:10.319
kiddos or she do some other stuff too?

01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:10.408
She,

01:18:10.408 --> 01:18:12.179
well, she was a preschool teacher.

01:18:12.184 --> 01:18:13.798
She, she was a French teacher first.

01:18:13.798 --> 01:18:15.929
I think that's where I get a lot of the teacher interesting.

01:18:16.408 --> 01:18:17.429
Uh, component from me.

01:18:17.488 --> 01:18:17.759
Yeah.

01:18:18.238 --> 01:18:28.618
Um, and then she was, um, so she lived in France for a while and then she taught French and she came back here and she was more of a preschool teacher at some point after we had kind of grown up a little bit.

01:18:28.618 --> 01:18:28.769
Yeah.

01:18:29.038 --> 01:18:31.048
Because I remember gonna preschool with her and doing that.

01:18:31.078 --> 01:18:33.179
Um, and, uh.

01:18:33.743 --> 01:18:39.923
At some point though, where I was going with that about my dad is he was such a, he was just too trusting, not paying attention.

01:18:39.923 --> 01:18:42.533
He had a guy named Gary who was running the front office.

01:18:42.623 --> 01:18:44.753
Very long story, but Gary was a piece of shit.

01:18:44.783 --> 01:18:46.259
And Gary ripped off Gary.

01:18:46.264 --> 01:18:49.764
We would sometimes call him Uncle Gary'cause he would come to all of our, our family events.

01:18:49.764 --> 01:18:50.724
He was that close with us.

01:18:50.724 --> 01:18:51.083
Right, right.

01:18:51.113 --> 01:18:52.283
He was ripping him off like crazy.

01:18:52.434 --> 01:18:52.644
Yeah.

01:18:52.644 --> 01:18:55.524
And Uncle Gary stole like, you know, in hundreds of thousands.

01:18:55.524 --> 01:18:55.884
Six figure.

01:18:55.884 --> 01:18:56.333
Yeah.

01:18:56.333 --> 01:18:57.474
Like an insane amount for the time.

01:18:57.474 --> 01:18:57.684
Yeah.

01:18:58.043 --> 01:18:58.404
And only

01:18:58.404 --> 01:18:59.274
50,000 a year.

01:18:59.274 --> 01:19:00.264
But for 12 years.

01:19:00.293 --> 01:19:01.134
Yes, exactly.

01:19:01.194 --> 01:19:01.884
That's exactly what it was.

01:19:01.884 --> 01:19:01.974
Damn.

01:19:02.123 --> 01:19:02.604
And

01:19:02.844 --> 01:19:04.163
uh, it was all cash.

01:19:04.194 --> 01:19:05.064
Just pushed.

01:19:05.064 --> 01:19:05.453
Put a here.

01:19:05.453 --> 01:19:05.634
No.

01:19:05.634 --> 01:19:05.963
Nah.

01:19:06.833 --> 01:19:09.293
And my dad didn't have those systems to know it was bad.

01:19:09.323 --> 01:19:14.394
So at some point an accountant, like pointed all this out to him was like, you're missing like a ton of money.

01:19:14.423 --> 01:19:14.783
Right.

01:19:14.844 --> 01:19:19.493
He started doing all this research figure, according to all these reports, you should have$400,000 in the bank.

01:19:19.493 --> 01:19:19.554
Yeah.

01:19:19.554 --> 01:19:22.583
But according to this bank statement, you've got 4,000, got nothing.

01:19:22.583 --> 01:19:22.823
Yeah.

01:19:22.828 --> 01:19:22.939
Yeah.

01:19:22.944 --> 01:19:23.243
And

01:19:23.634 --> 01:19:24.564
it almost ruined him.

01:19:24.623 --> 01:19:24.923
Yeah.

01:19:24.929 --> 01:19:25.019
Wow.

01:19:25.019 --> 01:19:29.123
And so he ended up, um, you know, he figured out, they got someone to investigate.

01:19:29.123 --> 01:19:30.024
They figured out it was Gary.

01:19:30.583 --> 01:19:31.484
Gary went to jail.

01:19:32.083 --> 01:19:33.793
He got some of the money back, but not a lot.

01:19:34.184 --> 01:19:40.634
And then, um, at that time, my mom, we were like, uh, I was like a freshman in high school or something like that.

01:19:40.639 --> 01:19:40.798
Okay.

01:19:41.054 --> 01:19:45.043
And my mom was doing the preschool thing where she was like, we're not losing the business.

01:19:45.043 --> 01:19:45.644
Fuck that.

01:19:45.703 --> 01:19:47.833
I'm gonna come work for you and be like operations.

01:19:47.894 --> 01:19:48.163
Wow.

01:19:48.344 --> 01:19:49.484
And I'm gonna do the new Uncle

01:19:49.484 --> 01:19:49.934
Gary.

01:19:50.054 --> 01:19:50.384
Yeah.

01:19:50.564 --> 01:19:51.613
And we're gonna build some systems.

01:19:51.618 --> 01:19:52.559
Finally, Frank, we're gonna build systems.

01:19:52.634 --> 01:19:53.293
Or what's your dad's name?

01:19:53.323 --> 01:19:53.863
Uh, Jeff.

01:19:53.894 --> 01:19:54.283
Jeff.

01:19:54.344 --> 01:19:58.213
And so my dad would go out and sell and my mom would work in the office.

01:19:58.213 --> 01:19:58.573
So,

01:19:58.634 --> 01:19:59.923
and then the business thrived

01:19:59.923 --> 01:20:01.604
and, and then the business did really well for a long time.

01:20:01.634 --> 01:20:03.764
'cause she was, you know, way more honest.

01:20:03.764 --> 01:20:08.743
She's, she's so detail oriented and, uh, she didn't know a lot about accounting and she figured it out.

01:20:08.743 --> 01:20:10.399
She didn't know a lot about, you know, processes.

01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:11.594
Figure out She's really your example,

01:20:11.833 --> 01:20:13.274
uh, in a lot of respects.

01:20:13.274 --> 01:20:13.363
Huh?

01:20:13.363 --> 01:20:13.394
I

01:20:13.394 --> 01:20:13.904
think so.

01:20:13.904 --> 01:20:16.993
I think she was just, you know, she's just like one of those people.

01:20:16.993 --> 01:20:19.514
If, if she needs to do it, she will figure it out.

01:20:19.543 --> 01:20:19.753
Yeah.

01:20:19.814 --> 01:20:20.984
And she's always been good like that.

01:20:20.984 --> 01:20:21.163
Cool.

01:20:21.194 --> 01:20:25.783
Um, so she, she took over and they worked together my whole high school basically.

01:20:25.788 --> 01:20:27.703
And, and I saw the good and the bad of that.

01:20:27.734 --> 01:20:28.213
And what was

01:20:28.213 --> 01:20:29.634
Little Stew, uh, like.

01:20:30.404 --> 01:20:31.423
Five-year-olds do.

01:20:31.423 --> 01:20:33.373
Were you, uh, sporty?

01:20:33.373 --> 01:20:36.014
Were you smart all straight a's kind of thing?

01:20:36.283 --> 01:20:42.373
Um, I don't think I was, uh, I didn't excel at any of those areas, but I was like decent at grades.

01:20:42.404 --> 01:20:42.463
Yeah.

01:20:42.463 --> 01:20:43.394
I'd always had decent grades.

01:20:43.844 --> 01:20:44.953
I loved playing sports.

01:20:44.953 --> 01:20:48.434
I would never say I was like actually very good at any of them, but I was very into'em.

01:20:48.493 --> 01:20:51.554
I would play a lot of, uh, baseball when I was young and then tennis.

01:20:51.583 --> 01:20:53.024
'cause my, my dad liked tennis.

01:20:53.024 --> 01:20:53.923
I played that with him a lot.

01:20:54.434 --> 01:20:57.344
Um, bowling, I got to be like decent at, you know.

01:20:57.373 --> 01:20:57.524
Okay.

01:20:57.524 --> 01:20:59.354
A couple of these things, but like, what's your high game, high score?

01:20:59.474 --> 01:21:01.904
Oh, I was like, somewhere around high high school.

01:21:01.904 --> 01:21:03.104
I think I got like a two 50.

01:21:03.163 --> 01:21:03.698
I was like the best ever did.

01:21:03.698 --> 01:21:04.184
Ooh, dang.

01:21:04.243 --> 01:21:04.514
Yeah.

01:21:04.543 --> 01:21:04.963
I got a two

01:21:04.963 --> 01:21:05.533
15

01:21:05.533 --> 01:21:05.984
once.

01:21:05.984 --> 01:21:06.073
Yeah.

01:21:06.524 --> 01:21:09.493
I never got to 300, but I did really good because I was going like all the time.

01:21:09.524 --> 01:21:10.154
Oh, two 50 is

01:21:10.154 --> 01:21:10.634
almost good.

01:21:10.634 --> 01:21:10.873
'em all.

01:21:10.904 --> 01:21:11.264
Yeah.

01:21:11.444 --> 01:21:11.684
Right.

01:21:11.684 --> 01:21:13.609
Like it only takes missing a few pins, so it's like Yeah.

01:21:13.663 --> 01:21:15.283
Like really missed, lose 50 points.

01:21:15.283 --> 01:21:15.524
Yeah.

01:21:15.583 --> 01:21:17.413
Um, and, uh, cool.

01:21:17.474 --> 01:21:20.594
Yeah, so I I kind of a normal existence.

01:21:20.594 --> 01:21:22.094
Big, big schools and stuff.

01:21:22.094 --> 01:21:22.724
Public school?

01:21:22.814 --> 01:21:24.344
Um, no, I went a private school actually.

01:21:24.344 --> 01:21:24.554
Okay.

01:21:24.644 --> 01:21:25.904
Um, my.

01:21:26.429 --> 01:21:29.219
Uh, it was when I was very young, my parents put me in it.

01:21:29.219 --> 01:21:30.238
It's not like I had a choice.

01:21:30.269 --> 01:21:30.509
Yeah.

01:21:30.509 --> 01:21:31.913
Um, and I just stayed into it.

01:21:31.913 --> 01:21:35.189
Like a faith oriented school or just for not faith, just kids private school.

01:21:35.248 --> 01:21:35.429
Yeah.

01:21:35.458 --> 01:21:35.908
Yeah.

01:21:35.908 --> 01:21:38.309
Um, and it was called Columbus Academy.

01:21:38.309 --> 01:21:41.069
It was just a, uh, independent, yeah, yeah.

01:21:41.128 --> 01:21:41.668
Private school.

01:21:42.179 --> 01:21:44.908
Um, but, uh, yeah, I don't know.

01:21:44.908 --> 01:21:45.929
I did, I did okay.

01:21:45.988 --> 01:21:47.759
I did fine and I, I was so small.

01:21:47.759 --> 01:21:50.189
It was, I graduated with like 70 people or something.

01:21:50.248 --> 01:21:50.519
Okay.

01:21:50.524 --> 01:21:50.753
Yeah.

01:21:50.814 --> 01:21:52.288
Um, yeah.

01:21:52.288 --> 01:21:52.649
And where's the

01:21:52.649 --> 01:21:53.248
music hit?

01:21:53.248 --> 01:21:54.118
The hit the scene?

01:21:54.149 --> 01:21:56.338
Uh, so my grandfather was always a musician.

01:21:56.399 --> 01:21:58.003
He's a Your dad or your mom's dad?

01:21:58.003 --> 01:21:58.588
Uh, my mom's dad.

01:21:58.588 --> 01:21:59.759
Same guy I was talking about before.

01:21:59.819 --> 01:22:00.208
Yep.

01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:01.649
Um, he's an incredible guy.

01:22:01.649 --> 01:22:03.599
He's like a for Gump background of guy.

01:22:03.628 --> 01:22:03.899
Okay.

01:22:04.649 --> 01:22:06.689
And, uh, he was always an amazing pianist.

01:22:06.689 --> 01:22:09.809
And you go to like, his childhood, so he, he lived to be 103.

01:22:09.809 --> 01:22:09.838
Oh.

01:22:09.958 --> 01:22:11.338
So he's got a crazy amount of stories.

01:22:11.338 --> 01:22:11.399
My

01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:14.069
wife's grandmother lived to be 103 as well.

01:22:14.099 --> 01:22:14.399
Yeah.

01:22:14.458 --> 01:22:14.759
Yeah.

01:22:14.849 --> 01:22:16.229
And his, his life.

01:22:16.559 --> 01:22:17.819
Experiences are insane.

01:22:18.179 --> 01:22:21.509
So when he grew up 1910, I think, yeah.

01:22:21.658 --> 01:22:22.349
I'm doing my math.

01:22:22.769 --> 01:22:25.019
And then he would lived through all these terrible times.

01:22:25.019 --> 01:22:25.319
Sure.

01:22:25.378 --> 01:22:26.759
But he was really into playing piano.

01:22:26.759 --> 01:22:28.019
So he grew up in Cleveland.

01:22:28.019 --> 01:22:31.078
He would go to the, uh, it was very segregated at the time.

01:22:31.078 --> 01:22:31.088
Mm-hmm.

01:22:31.259 --> 01:22:33.958
And he would go to the black communities to learn from the best people.

01:22:34.019 --> 01:22:34.259
Sure.

01:22:34.259 --> 01:22:39.533
And he sat down with some of these like incredible musicians at the time and watched them like Oh, right.

01:22:39.694 --> 01:22:45.059
A famous guy who was blind and Art Tatum, who's a pianist and Oscar, that's how you do those transitions.

01:22:45.238 --> 01:22:45.418
Yeah.

01:22:45.418 --> 01:22:48.059
Well, I mean, but so he, he learned from them.

01:22:48.059 --> 01:22:50.038
So when I was growing up, he was always playing piano.

01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:51.868
So I would sit around and listen to it.

01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:53.809
I never got as good as him.

01:22:54.088 --> 01:22:57.448
I tried to take some lessons at some point, but, you know, I was appreciated.

01:22:57.448 --> 01:22:57.599
Sure.

01:22:57.599 --> 01:22:59.399
But my cousin.

01:22:59.804 --> 01:23:01.514
In Cleveland, uh, played the drums.

01:23:01.663 --> 01:23:02.503
And so, okay.

01:23:02.564 --> 01:23:06.463
Uh, I, once I got a taste of that, I was like, that's the coolest thing ever.

01:23:06.493 --> 01:23:06.764
Yeah.

01:23:06.764 --> 01:23:13.123
So then, um, I got a kit back in my house and cu in Cleveland like two hours away, so we'd always be there, but

01:23:13.274 --> 01:23:17.713
I want to, I wanna talk about drums for a second because I actually played the drums a little bit.

01:23:17.804 --> 01:23:17.894
Yeah.

01:23:17.894 --> 01:23:21.644
Like, until, like I needed to either buy a drum set or quit the band.

01:23:21.793 --> 01:23:22.033
Yeah.

01:23:22.094 --> 01:23:25.453
Uh,'cause our school didn't have a drum set for the drummer to use kind of thing.

01:23:25.904 --> 01:23:28.783
And, but it's a, yeah.

01:23:28.783 --> 01:23:29.863
Describe that experience.

01:23:29.894 --> 01:23:33.194
'cause it's such an interesting,'cause you're, you got the, you got the, you got the line, right?

01:23:33.194 --> 01:23:40.243
Like you're kind of the commander of the vessel in some ways as far as the beat stuff goes and you kind of help to tie the whole thing together.

01:23:40.269 --> 01:23:40.814
Yeah, yeah.

01:23:40.873 --> 01:23:42.163
But it's sometimes overlooked.

01:23:42.884 --> 01:23:43.873
Uh, it should be overlooked.

01:23:43.873 --> 01:23:45.073
Usually that's the goal, right?

01:23:45.073 --> 01:23:45.373
Well, yeah.

01:23:45.373 --> 01:23:48.524
I mean, it's one of those things I think the, the drummer and the bass player.

01:23:48.944 --> 01:23:52.394
Are are, if they're rock solid, you don't really notice that they're there.

01:23:52.604 --> 01:23:52.783
Right.

01:23:52.783 --> 01:23:55.694
So it's like, the best compliment someone can give me is like, I didn't even notice or something.

01:23:56.234 --> 01:23:56.474
Right.

01:23:56.474 --> 01:24:00.373
But like, it's just'cause you're keeping time really well and you're being like in the groove.

01:24:00.703 --> 01:24:04.844
Um, it, you know, it's, to me it's like, what do you love about it?

01:24:04.873 --> 01:24:05.323
Um, yeah.

01:24:05.323 --> 01:24:15.314
It's like the most, um, primal connection to like, making music of like, anybody can do it anywhere at any time.

01:24:15.554 --> 01:24:15.734
Yeah.

01:24:15.734 --> 01:24:15.743
Yeah.

01:24:16.243 --> 01:24:19.033
And it's been going on for, you know, since the beginning of man, but like.

01:24:19.604 --> 01:24:31.423
Um, it gives you an incredible amount of power to make people move and know that, uh, the simplest thing I can, I can make you move this way and if I do something else, I can make you move that way.

01:24:31.429 --> 01:24:31.469
Yeah.

01:24:31.469 --> 01:24:33.974
You know, like, like in a, in a broad way of saying that.

01:24:34.394 --> 01:24:38.413
But, um, I bet you've been a part of a few drum circles over time.

01:24:38.413 --> 01:24:38.444
Uh,

01:24:38.594 --> 01:24:39.253
drum circles.

01:24:39.253 --> 01:24:39.823
Yeah, sure.

01:24:39.854 --> 01:24:40.484
That's an interesting

01:24:40.484 --> 01:24:41.474
experience as well, right?

01:24:41.503 --> 01:24:41.623
Yeah.

01:24:41.623 --> 01:24:47.293
Because that one out of six people or whatever can kind of change the tone and it moves from there.

01:24:47.293 --> 01:24:48.703
I always, and it becomes this organic Yeah.

01:24:48.764 --> 01:24:50.444
Improvisational

01:24:50.713 --> 01:24:51.014
thing.

01:24:51.014 --> 01:24:51.253
Yeah.

01:24:51.314 --> 01:24:52.634
And I always loved being the guy.

01:24:52.814 --> 01:24:57.854
I would, if I came to a drum circle, I would sometimes have a conga or whatever, but then I would, I would always have other percussions.

01:24:57.859 --> 01:24:59.684
'cause I was kind of into drums at a young age.

01:24:59.923 --> 01:25:04.304
So I remember always bringing like a, a, a, a, uh, cowbell or a wood block or something.

01:25:04.309 --> 01:25:04.429
Yeah.

01:25:04.588 --> 01:25:04.668
'cause.

01:25:05.413 --> 01:25:07.274
Talk about being effect to the change.

01:25:07.304 --> 01:25:12.944
Like, because everyone's playing the same ba ba and then you like have this really high pitch thing and everyone's like, oh, what's that?

01:25:12.944 --> 01:25:14.923
And they, everyone can hear it and they like, follow you.

01:25:15.224 --> 01:25:17.144
And I always just liked that, you know?

01:25:17.144 --> 01:25:17.923
And I enjoyed really cool.

01:25:17.923 --> 01:25:19.423
The power it kind of gave you Yeah.

01:25:19.573 --> 01:25:29.113
Um, dig it and, and so yeah, drumming has always just been really, um, natural, but at the same time, like I, I probably wouldn't have gotten into it if I didn't have an awesome music teacher.

01:25:29.113 --> 01:25:29.173
Yeah.

01:25:29.203 --> 01:25:31.363
'cause she kinda like gave me the school's kit at the time.

01:25:31.484 --> 01:25:31.694
Okay.

01:25:31.694 --> 01:25:33.194
She was like, if you wanna go learn, go learn.

01:25:33.194 --> 01:25:33.764
She, and do you

01:25:34.333 --> 01:25:36.253
share in songwriting vocals?

01:25:36.253 --> 01:25:37.634
I think you sing along sometimes.

01:25:37.634 --> 01:25:38.203
If I remember.

01:25:38.203 --> 01:25:38.833
Not too much.

01:25:38.833 --> 01:25:38.854
Not much.

01:25:38.854 --> 01:25:38.899
No.

01:25:38.904 --> 01:25:39.493
Not singing.

01:25:39.524 --> 01:25:40.094
Um,

01:25:40.154 --> 01:25:46.484
yeah, I mostly my contributions to the grip weed would be like the, um, just, just ideas, musical ideas.

01:25:46.484 --> 01:25:47.323
I think, you know.

01:25:48.083 --> 01:25:52.493
Have a good enough ear on some of what we're playing and listening to that I can contribute Yeah.

01:25:52.524 --> 01:25:53.033
Quite a bit.

01:25:53.753 --> 01:25:56.934
Um, I don't have as much theory or, you know, that kind of melodic knowledge.

01:25:56.934 --> 01:26:02.003
You're not a music major in college necessarily, but you classes, but I, I sit down and play again, back to like piano.

01:26:02.003 --> 01:26:02.963
I can play the piano.

01:26:02.993 --> 01:26:04.854
I know all my chords, you know, you know.

01:26:05.573 --> 01:26:05.724
Yeah.

01:26:05.724 --> 01:26:13.493
You know, most of my chords, all my, and, and, uh, I can kind of hang, if you put like a bunch of chord, put a chord sheet in front of me, like I could probably play it.

01:26:13.524 --> 01:26:13.793
Yeah.

01:26:13.823 --> 01:26:14.394
Slowly.

01:26:14.844 --> 01:26:17.663
Um, and I used to be better and now I'm, you know, I don't do it as much.

01:26:17.663 --> 01:26:18.064
Right, right.

01:26:18.064 --> 01:26:22.524
But, but I understand it and, and so I can contribute that when we get together now.

01:26:22.524 --> 01:26:28.373
And with Ruby Stew, I had like, I've had a few lyrical ideas that I threw out and I think they liked them hopefully.

01:26:28.373 --> 01:26:29.634
And so that's been fun.

01:26:29.634 --> 01:26:29.993
Might hear about

01:26:29.993 --> 01:26:31.014
that first album when it comes.

01:26:31.014 --> 01:26:31.404
Yeah.

01:26:31.434 --> 01:26:36.573
And so, but normally in every band I've ever been a part of, it's very collaborative and yeah.

01:26:37.229 --> 01:26:39.389
Um, there's never even the with grip.

01:26:39.389 --> 01:26:41.908
We, like Jason pretty much does write all the lyrics.

01:26:42.269 --> 01:26:46.439
Sometimes we'll give him little notes, but like he's writing all that, but he's not writing, he's flowing with

01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:47.578
ideas about lyrics anyway,

01:26:47.578 --> 01:26:49.319
lyrically, but he's not really writing it.

01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:51.779
Music, uh, instrumentally, right?

01:26:51.779 --> 01:26:52.828
I mean, he did earlier on.

01:26:52.828 --> 01:26:53.548
He doesn't as much now.

01:26:53.578 --> 01:26:53.939
Right.

01:26:54.059 --> 01:26:55.469
Um, so it's the band kind of coming up.

01:26:55.469 --> 01:26:55.708
The band.

01:26:55.708 --> 01:26:59.219
What if we come in with a lead in like this or, and like, here's the main riff.

01:26:59.219 --> 01:27:00.059
Here's like the groove.

01:27:00.059 --> 01:27:01.559
Here's the, the structure.

01:27:01.559 --> 01:27:05.729
And then give him a couple days and he'll come back and be like, all right, here's like my idea for words and Oh, really?

01:27:05.729 --> 01:27:06.179
So you bring

01:27:06.179 --> 01:27:09.088
the music first a lot of times and then put some words onto, or both ways?

01:27:09.094 --> 01:27:09.213
Almost.

01:27:09.219 --> 01:27:10.168
Almost university.

01:27:10.168 --> 01:27:10.288
Yeah.

01:27:10.288 --> 01:27:11.128
The music comes first.

01:27:11.128 --> 01:27:11.458
Really?

01:27:11.458 --> 01:27:11.698
Yeah.

01:27:11.729 --> 01:27:12.149
Interesting.

01:27:12.238 --> 01:27:13.618
And for that band, because when I

01:27:13.618 --> 01:27:17.189
write my blog, I always come up with the title first and then I fill in the rest later.

01:27:17.189 --> 01:27:20.939
And in some ways, I guess that's similar, like, here's the music and put some words in there.

01:27:20.998 --> 01:27:26.338
Well, yeah, I think it works well if you come up with a melody and you kind of can comment along and then you know, like what you're totally dealing with,

01:27:26.639 --> 01:27:26.998
if you're good.

01:27:27.029 --> 01:27:31.139
Those shower songs I was talking about, it's usually because I'm humming some kind of a.

01:27:32.724 --> 01:27:33.809
A, a tune Yeah.

01:27:33.838 --> 01:27:34.918
First that I put together.

01:27:34.918 --> 01:27:35.009
Yeah.

01:27:35.009 --> 01:27:38.399
And so I'm putting the, the words to the song that's already running in my head.

01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:38.639
Yeah.

01:27:38.639 --> 01:27:40.588
And then you're just branching off and forth your own thing.

01:27:40.588 --> 01:27:41.009
Interesting.

01:27:41.399 --> 01:27:42.748
And I think, you know, um.

01:27:43.349 --> 01:27:46.859
Melody is, well, if you're a really good singer songwriter, you can do both, right?

01:27:46.859 --> 01:27:51.719
You can play the acoustic guitar, play the piano, and you can sing and like the idea kind of goes with it.

01:27:51.719 --> 01:28:01.019
But most people I know fit into one of those two camps that like if you just write a cool melody on your guitar or you, or your piano and you're like, this is just sounds interesting and fun.

01:28:01.109 --> 01:28:01.378
Yeah.

01:28:01.408 --> 01:28:03.088
Now what does that sound like to me?

01:28:03.088 --> 01:28:04.168
Like, what does that make me feel?

01:28:04.168 --> 01:28:04.948
Or what does that like?

01:28:05.038 --> 01:28:05.368
Yeah.

01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:07.043
How did I, well, what I want that to be about.

01:28:07.043 --> 01:28:07.163
Yeah.

01:28:07.163 --> 01:28:07.559
It was the emotions around

01:28:07.649 --> 01:28:08.069
this.

01:28:08.069 --> 01:28:10.679
Is it a angry bluesy song?

01:28:10.679 --> 01:28:10.738
Yeah.

01:28:10.738 --> 01:28:11.759
Is it a love song?

01:28:11.759 --> 01:28:11.939
Yeah.

01:28:11.939 --> 01:28:13.109
Is it a monster ballad?

01:28:13.259 --> 01:28:13.529
Yeah.

01:28:13.588 --> 01:28:13.798
Okay.

01:28:13.798 --> 01:28:15.269
Now we need some words that fit that team and, and now

01:28:15.269 --> 01:28:16.918
we come up with words that kind of go with it.

01:28:16.918 --> 01:28:19.918
So, um, that's how it's always worked for stuff I've been in.

01:28:20.009 --> 01:28:21.238
I did that and that was cool too.

01:28:21.269 --> 01:28:29.279
'cause, because one of the Ruby's two things was an idea of, it was, it was Lance and, and Dana had come up with this cool thing and so recorded on a phone.

01:28:29.279 --> 01:28:34.229
This was months ago or something, and then I had just been like, it'd been like bouncing around in my head.

01:28:34.229 --> 01:28:35.578
I was like, and I had this other thing.

01:28:36.014 --> 01:28:38.059
When Graham, my son was really young.

01:28:38.354 --> 01:28:38.623
Yeah.

01:28:38.684 --> 01:28:48.014
I had a lot more time of being with him, like just holding him in the middle of, you know, 3:00 AM And so I would sometimes just like say something on my phone like, oh, that's a cool idea, kind of shower song.

01:28:48.014 --> 01:28:50.203
But, you know, 3:00 AM delirious song.

01:28:50.208 --> 01:28:50.298
Yeah.

01:28:50.444 --> 01:28:50.623
Yeah.

01:28:50.774 --> 01:28:53.384
And I had just read all this stuff out and all the cool ideas.

01:28:53.384 --> 01:28:53.474
Cool.

01:28:53.474 --> 01:28:57.974
So, um, uh, so yeah, anyway, one of'em kind of fit that and I kept like hearing it.

01:28:58.033 --> 01:29:00.404
I just, it just, the structure of it fit.

01:29:00.434 --> 01:29:00.974
So, so do you

01:29:00.974 --> 01:29:01.963
have, uh, like.

01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.908
Writing poetry or things like that in your background at all to Um, I've certainly done that.

01:29:06.908 --> 01:29:06.969
Yeah.

01:29:06.998 --> 01:29:08.109
Dabbled, but Yeah.

01:29:08.109 --> 01:29:08.288
But

01:29:08.288 --> 01:29:10.298
not like, you know, for anyone else to read.

01:29:10.298 --> 01:29:11.588
Just love poems for your wife Yeah.

01:29:11.588 --> 01:29:12.609
When you first met her kinda stuff.

01:29:13.628 --> 01:29:13.698
Yeah, exactly.

01:29:13.698 --> 01:29:14.828
Let's, uh, can we talk about her?

01:29:14.979 --> 01:29:15.279
Sure.

01:29:15.338 --> 01:29:16.538
Where'd you, where'd you find her?

01:29:16.599 --> 01:29:17.378
Uh, and when,

01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:27.819
um, we met in Denver through, um, I was living in, so I lived here for a while, got kind of burnt out being here and just felt like I needed to, especially with like the dating scene at the time.

01:29:27.819 --> 01:29:32.529
I, I was, you know, dated on and off, but never really had found the person.

01:29:32.588 --> 01:29:32.828
Yeah.

01:29:33.248 --> 01:29:37.219
So I moved to and sme, this is when, um, this is this.

01:29:37.889 --> 01:29:40.048
Uh, uh, 17.

01:29:40.048 --> 01:29:40.649
2017.

01:29:40.649 --> 01:29:40.798
Okay.

01:29:40.798 --> 01:29:41.338
Something like that.

01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:42.958
Oh, I didn't realize you had moved away for a while.

01:29:42.958 --> 01:29:43.048
Yeah,

01:29:43.139 --> 01:29:44.038
I guess I did actually.

01:29:44.038 --> 01:29:45.029
I think I did know that.

01:29:45.059 --> 01:29:46.859
But like everything I was doing was here.

01:29:46.918 --> 01:29:47.158
Yeah.

01:29:47.158 --> 01:29:49.469
The bands, I was in the digital workshop.

01:29:50.368 --> 01:29:54.238
I, I just went on a different social life to see like, what would Denver be like?

01:29:54.238 --> 01:29:56.609
And, and I kind of missed the big city of like, Columbus.

01:29:56.729 --> 01:29:56.969
Yeah.

01:29:57.484 --> 01:29:57.604
Interesting.

01:29:57.604 --> 01:29:59.668
Um, the access to better restaurants and culture.

01:29:59.668 --> 01:30:01.243
So you were commuting up to Fort Collins every day?

01:30:01.344 --> 01:30:02.043
Denver, I was commuting.

01:30:02.043 --> 01:30:02.759
Not every day, but a lot.

01:30:02.788 --> 01:30:03.149
A lot.

01:30:03.149 --> 01:30:03.628
A lot.

01:30:03.634 --> 01:30:04.283
It was interesting.

01:30:04.283 --> 01:30:07.134
It was, um, it was right before remote work was really right.

01:30:07.288 --> 01:30:11.368
Like it would've worked a lot better if I had had that structure set up.

01:30:11.368 --> 01:30:11.458
Right.

01:30:11.519 --> 01:30:13.408
Like, I would probably not have left, to be honest.

01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:13.679
Yeah.

01:30:13.889 --> 01:30:15.779
Because I could, I didn't need to be here as much.

01:30:15.809 --> 01:30:15.988
Yeah.

01:30:16.109 --> 01:30:18.509
And we were doing all in person classes, all that stuff.

01:30:18.509 --> 01:30:21.448
And so we were right in this, like, transitional time to get into online classes.

01:30:22.139 --> 01:30:24.359
Um, but if the timing would've been different, I probably never would've left.

01:30:25.259 --> 01:30:25.439
Yeah.

01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:30.538
Um, and uh, so I met Laura and then, and, and we met through, um, um.

01:30:31.094 --> 01:30:31.694
Uh, what is it called?

01:30:31.694 --> 01:30:33.944
Bumble, you know, it was like the dating app in Denver.

01:30:34.003 --> 01:30:34.213
Yeah.

01:30:34.213 --> 01:30:36.163
Like the one that lets girls choose kind of thing.

01:30:36.163 --> 01:30:36.373
Yeah.

01:30:36.434 --> 01:30:37.783
Which is basically all of dating.

01:30:37.844 --> 01:30:38.923
Yeah, right, exactly.

01:30:38.923 --> 01:30:39.913
Just formalizing the girl's.

01:30:39.913 --> 01:30:40.783
Always a decider.

01:30:40.783 --> 01:30:40.934
Yeah.

01:30:40.934 --> 01:30:42.434
I mean, guys are creeps, let's be honest, most of us.

01:30:43.243 --> 01:30:46.993
But it makes like average guys like us like stand out as pretty good.

01:30:47.024 --> 01:30:47.413
Yeah.

01:30:47.418 --> 01:30:53.413
And, and I had dated a handful in Denver, hadn't found a lot of, you know, any success.

01:30:53.684 --> 01:30:56.503
It was like, you know, but, but you meet so many more people.

01:30:56.503 --> 01:31:01.724
So I had gone on days outside of Bumble, but I'm saying like, I'd gone on a couple bumble dates and like Yeah.

01:31:01.783 --> 01:31:05.083
Um, you know, it was just like, it felt like the new way of meeting someone.

01:31:05.113 --> 01:31:08.173
'cause I was also, um, I wasn't drinking bartender.

01:31:08.173 --> 01:31:08.293
Yeah.

01:31:08.293 --> 01:31:09.014
I wasn't bartending.

01:31:09.014 --> 01:31:10.394
Downsizing your alcohol consumption.

01:31:10.394 --> 01:31:10.634
Exactly.

01:31:10.634 --> 01:31:12.554
So I just didn't want to be out as much.

01:31:12.554 --> 01:31:13.154
And anyway.

01:31:13.154 --> 01:31:16.724
And so we met, we hit it off pretty much right away.

01:31:16.724 --> 01:31:22.519
Um, she had had been on a bunch of bad Bumble dates too, and she's like, she's like, I don't know, I can't, she is actually my chance.

01:31:22.519 --> 01:31:22.679
Yeah.

01:31:22.719 --> 01:31:24.134
I think he's actually like semi-normal.

01:31:24.134 --> 01:31:26.054
And I was like, ah, I think she's not, I semi my normal.

01:31:26.054 --> 01:31:27.463
I think she's not like obnoxious.

01:31:27.463 --> 01:31:28.453
Like this is gonna work out.

01:31:28.453 --> 01:31:28.814
Okay.

01:31:29.564 --> 01:31:33.673
Uh, so we, um, yeah, we dated and, and I was

01:31:33.944 --> 01:31:35.503
How old were you when, when you got married?

01:31:35.684 --> 01:31:40.634
Um, uh, when we started dating, um, when I was 38.

01:31:40.783 --> 01:31:41.203
Wow.

01:31:41.293 --> 01:31:45.373
And then we got married when I was, uh, uh, after, sorry.

01:31:45.373 --> 01:31:48.583
We got married after we had Graham, so, so came first.

01:31:48.583 --> 01:31:48.974
So, yeah.

01:31:49.003 --> 01:31:49.184
But,

01:31:49.184 --> 01:31:53.503
so after, and your grandma was, uh, you were, you were 44 or something already by that time?

01:31:53.503 --> 01:31:54.134
I was 43.

01:31:54.134 --> 01:31:54.283
Yeah.

01:31:54.283 --> 01:31:54.913
When I four three.

01:31:54.944 --> 01:31:55.243
Yeah.

01:31:55.248 --> 01:31:59.594
So, yeah, that's like, uh, is is, are you older than Laura or is she Very late.

01:31:59.594 --> 01:32:00.673
My mom, year and a half, two.

01:32:00.673 --> 01:32:01.543
But she's pretty old too.

01:32:01.663 --> 01:32:01.969
She is, yeah.

01:32:01.974 --> 01:32:02.264
Yeah.

01:32:02.264 --> 01:32:05.293
So you guys will have a kiddo geriatric until you're 16.

01:32:05.354 --> 01:32:05.684
Yeah.

01:32:05.713 --> 01:32:07.814
Are you gonna try for another No, no.

01:32:08.354 --> 01:32:09.134
Call it, we're good.

01:32:09.944 --> 01:32:15.823
Talk to me about, uh, where, where did she come from and, and what was it that you guys really vibed around?

01:32:16.514 --> 01:32:18.073
Uh, she's from Philly.

01:32:18.104 --> 01:32:19.213
My dad's from New York.

01:32:19.213 --> 01:32:23.503
I think I always liked something, some sort of, that aspect of that personality.

01:32:24.104 --> 01:32:28.604
She was always just really easygoing, like very go with the flow, but also.

01:32:29.128 --> 01:32:30.979
Wouldn't take any shit for me, wouldn't tolerate bullshit.

01:32:30.979 --> 01:32:31.213
Yeah.

01:32:31.213 --> 01:32:31.413
Yeah.

01:32:31.413 --> 01:32:32.998
And I, I like that combination that, yeah.

01:32:32.998 --> 01:32:33.868
Jill does that for me too.

01:32:33.958 --> 01:32:34.288
Yeah.

01:32:34.288 --> 01:32:36.868
And, uh, similar taste in music.

01:32:36.899 --> 01:32:38.488
Not exactly, but enough.

01:32:38.519 --> 01:32:38.729
Yeah.

01:32:38.939 --> 01:32:43.349
I remember when I was younger, I was, music was everything to me and still is in a lot of ways.

01:32:43.349 --> 01:32:47.908
But yeah, it was like, if you don't like this, this, and this band, I cannot, we can't be friends.

01:32:47.908 --> 01:32:48.238
I can't date you.

01:32:49.798 --> 01:32:51.389
I would like exclude people for that reason.

01:32:51.628 --> 01:32:56.368
And I know some people who still do that, they're like, well, you don't like, you don't like Phish.

01:32:56.368 --> 01:32:58.078
Like, I can't, I can't be

01:32:58.078 --> 01:32:58.679
friends with you.

01:32:58.769 --> 01:32:58.918
Right.

01:32:59.548 --> 01:33:01.918
It's like, no, that's that I, this is not gonna work.

01:33:01.948 --> 01:33:03.838
That's not what I was really looking for.

01:33:03.838 --> 01:33:06.958
But we had enough in common musically where like, like we would go to shows.

01:33:06.958 --> 01:33:07.559
We had fun.

01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:13.229
Um, and, uh, and she, and why you stay down there, you know, she's a nurse, an or nurse.

01:33:13.229 --> 01:33:13.918
She's really smart.

01:33:13.948 --> 01:33:14.189
Yeah.

01:33:14.368 --> 01:33:15.658
Why didn't you stay down in Denver?

01:33:15.748 --> 01:33:17.613
Or did she wanna come here to you?

01:33:17.613 --> 01:33:17.734
I

01:33:17.734 --> 01:33:21.988
was already, yeah, I mean, I was already kind of making that, um, transition back.

01:33:22.048 --> 01:33:22.469
Oh, really?

01:33:22.738 --> 01:33:22.769
Okay.

01:33:22.769 --> 01:33:24.658
So this was towards the end of being there.

01:33:24.663 --> 01:33:26.458
I, I was there two years, two and a half years.

01:33:26.458 --> 01:33:27.779
So it's towards the end of that.

01:33:28.154 --> 01:33:30.253
And I was just getting really sick of the commute.

01:33:30.583 --> 01:33:36.734
So I think I had, I had a friend up here who lives pretty East Mulberry, that weird neighborhood back there.

01:33:36.738 --> 01:33:36.918
Yeah.

01:33:36.923 --> 01:33:37.123
Yeah.

01:33:37.154 --> 01:33:40.514
And, um, and they had an extra room a couple times a week.

01:33:40.543 --> 01:33:40.993
Well, they, yeah.

01:33:40.993 --> 01:33:41.923
The room in the basement.

01:33:42.613 --> 01:33:46.154
And, uh, they said, you can rent it out for real as long as you need.

01:33:46.184 --> 01:33:49.213
And so I, I didn't renew my lease in Denver.

01:33:50.083 --> 01:33:54.974
And then I had that kind of set up, and then I met her and I was like, boom, you could stay with her when you wanted to.

01:33:54.974 --> 01:33:55.123
You could.

01:33:55.123 --> 01:33:55.184
Yeah.

01:33:55.724 --> 01:33:56.564
I was like, boom, boom, boom.

01:33:56.564 --> 01:33:59.354
And I was like, well, maybe I should get another lease in Denver.

01:33:59.354 --> 01:34:02.234
But then like, I, I didn't, I just didn't wanna do the commute.

01:34:02.354 --> 01:34:02.533
Yeah.

01:34:03.253 --> 01:34:05.684
And so it was so fresh and new.

01:34:05.684 --> 01:34:08.264
I was like, well, yeah, I can just do this commute the other way.

01:34:09.314 --> 01:34:10.484
Maybe this will work out.

01:34:10.484 --> 01:34:22.934
And, uh, you know, I, I can stay with her if I, you know, as we start dating longer and, and it started working and when it got down to it, I was still of like the opinion of you can kind of get a job anywhere.

01:34:23.264 --> 01:34:23.503
Right.

01:34:23.503 --> 01:34:24.253
You're an no earner.

01:34:24.253 --> 01:34:25.094
You're no earners.

01:34:25.094 --> 01:34:25.724
You can go anywhere.

01:34:25.724 --> 01:34:26.599
And I am really.

01:34:26.984 --> 01:34:29.564
Sort of saddled to Fort Collins in a lot of ways.

01:34:29.569 --> 01:34:29.668
Yeah.

01:34:29.804 --> 01:34:30.043
Yeah.

01:34:30.194 --> 01:34:31.844
And so she was, was that a tough sell for her?

01:34:31.934 --> 01:34:32.984
Um, not really.

01:34:32.984 --> 01:34:34.333
'cause she's been a travel nurse.

01:34:34.338 --> 01:34:34.628
She's, yeah.

01:34:34.694 --> 01:34:37.604
She's traveled to like, if you can tolerate that life lifestyle,

01:34:37.604 --> 01:34:39.104
living in Fort Collins ain't too bad.

01:34:39.109 --> 01:34:39.389
Yeah.

01:34:39.493 --> 01:34:39.703
Yeah.

01:34:39.734 --> 01:34:43.213
She was like, she just liked the, the, the adventure, you know?

01:34:43.213 --> 01:34:44.413
And so she's like, let's do it.

01:34:44.474 --> 01:34:44.743
You know?

01:34:44.743 --> 01:34:47.203
Does she still do travel nurse or She works Locoly now?

01:34:47.264 --> 01:34:47.713
Yeah.

01:34:47.743 --> 01:34:51.014
But much easier with a, yeah, it's with a kid.

01:34:51.524 --> 01:34:52.363
I'm sure someone does it.

01:34:52.363 --> 01:34:58.274
But yeah, so she's been at hospital, so she got, she got stationed in Hawaii.

01:34:58.274 --> 01:34:59.323
She got stationed in Vietnam.

01:34:59.654 --> 01:35:00.944
She got stationed in That's pretty cool.

01:35:00.944 --> 01:35:01.274
Yeah.

01:35:01.274 --> 01:35:01.934
All these different places.

01:35:01.934 --> 01:35:03.373
Opportunity and like she yeah.

01:35:03.404 --> 01:35:04.514
Saw so much of the world.

01:35:04.783 --> 01:35:10.873
So then she got stationed in Vail, lived there for many years, then trickled down to Boulder, Denver.

01:35:10.873 --> 01:35:12.314
So that's where she ended up kind of Denver.

01:35:12.373 --> 01:35:12.654
Gotcha, gotcha.

01:35:12.854 --> 01:35:14.323
So she was totally cool with moving up here.

01:35:14.354 --> 01:35:14.503
Yeah.

01:35:14.503 --> 01:35:15.944
And I think she really does like it.

01:35:15.944 --> 01:35:16.423
I think it's.

01:35:17.533 --> 01:35:19.543
Um, one of the smaller areas she's ever lived in.

01:35:19.543 --> 01:35:20.234
Probably, yeah.

01:35:20.293 --> 01:35:21.073
She's lived in not big cities.

01:35:21.104 --> 01:35:21.314
Tell me

01:35:21.314 --> 01:35:24.673
about, uh, your little future golf program.

01:35:24.854 --> 01:35:25.363
Yeah.

01:35:25.423 --> 01:35:26.474
Uh, he's awesome.

01:35:26.474 --> 01:35:27.493
He's three and a half.

01:35:28.304 --> 01:35:32.054
Um, you know, he's just all about, well, I mean like all three and a half year olds.

01:35:32.054 --> 01:35:32.894
He's just all about play.

01:35:32.953 --> 01:35:34.543
All he wants to do is play all day long.

01:35:34.543 --> 01:35:35.234
All and he's,

01:35:35.264 --> 01:35:37.484
well, I'm 51 and I, yeah.

01:35:37.514 --> 01:35:39.463
I kind of, all I wanna really do is play too, but

01:35:39.463 --> 01:35:39.524
yeah.

01:35:39.583 --> 01:35:41.713
It, you know, people say it's supposed to keep you young.

01:35:41.713 --> 01:35:44.533
I'm not so sure about that, but 47 now, so yeah.

01:35:44.533 --> 01:35:45.404
We're older parents.

01:35:45.404 --> 01:35:46.423
We're not having another one.

01:35:46.873 --> 01:35:50.264
We were, we, we had given up, we, we had tried for a couple years.

01:35:50.264 --> 01:35:50.594
Oh, okay.

01:35:50.594 --> 01:35:55.453
We dated three years or something, and then we were like, you know, if we're gonna do it, we gotta do it now.

01:35:55.453 --> 01:35:55.543
Right.

01:35:55.543 --> 01:35:56.788
And we felt like this was Pull the goalie.

01:35:56.804 --> 01:35:58.123
Yeah, exactly.

01:35:58.123 --> 01:36:01.783
We felt like this was a thing and we're, and we're gonna be together a long time.

01:36:01.788 --> 01:36:03.344
We're, you know, yeah, we're gonna stay together.

01:36:03.644 --> 01:36:05.323
So she was like, let's go for it.

01:36:06.269 --> 01:36:07.048
And it didn't happen.

01:36:07.048 --> 01:36:09.689
It took like another two years and still hadn't happened.

01:36:10.229 --> 01:36:15.958
And, uh, we had, and at that point we were like, let's try a couple of these fertility drugs, not IVF, but yeah, the other ones offered just to

01:36:16.019 --> 01:36:16.948
juicy up a little bit.

01:36:16.948 --> 01:36:17.309
Yeah.

01:36:17.878 --> 01:36:20.548
And, uh, and, and we again, ba bing, ba boom.

01:36:20.729 --> 01:36:22.408
Uh, well, no, it, nothing worked.

01:36:22.408 --> 01:36:23.189
Still nothing, nothing worked.

01:36:23.189 --> 01:36:30.088
So then we were supposed to go to like Tahoe and we were like, we said that she was kind of the driver's like, that's it.

01:36:30.088 --> 01:36:30.208
Yeah.

01:36:30.238 --> 01:36:30.958
I wanna stop.

01:36:30.958 --> 01:36:31.859
I'm 41, right?

01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:37.769
I think she just turned 41 and she's like, I don't want to be an older parent and I don't wanna keep trying and being disappointed.

01:36:38.219 --> 01:36:40.828
And there was like, there was a miscarriage in there and it was like all kinds of sad things.

01:36:40.828 --> 01:36:42.059
But, um.

01:36:42.389 --> 01:36:43.109
It's stressful.

01:36:43.109 --> 01:36:43.288
Totally.

01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.769
And this whole, like, trying to get pregnant is more stressful than fun.

01:36:46.769 --> 01:36:47.009
Right.

01:36:47.158 --> 01:36:47.668
Sounds fun.

01:36:48.088 --> 01:36:49.498
But she quit trying, then she got knocked out and then, yeah.

01:36:49.498 --> 01:36:50.264
So, so we went.

01:36:50.264 --> 01:36:51.538
So we were supposed to get a, Tahoe.

01:36:51.538 --> 01:36:52.859
Tahoe had a massive fire.

01:36:52.918 --> 01:36:53.338
Okay.

01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:57.359
They, uh, were like, you know, nothing was really usable where we were supposed to be.

01:36:57.689 --> 01:36:59.488
And the Airbnb let us out of it.

01:36:59.998 --> 01:37:07.889
Um,'cause the plates was burning down and she had, um, uh, all these friends in Hawaii'cause she had travel nerves there.

01:37:08.069 --> 01:37:08.338
Right.

01:37:08.458 --> 01:37:10.679
And um, and we had a bunch of points saved up.

01:37:10.679 --> 01:37:13.048
So we ended up getting there very cheap, staying very cheap.

01:37:13.349 --> 01:37:15.929
Had an amazing vacation is still one of my favorite vacations.

01:37:16.019 --> 01:37:16.229
Yeah.

01:37:16.229 --> 01:37:16.469
And

01:37:16.469 --> 01:37:19.439
she got knocked up and there's something about sea level.

01:37:20.878 --> 01:37:21.599
Just relaxing.

01:37:21.899 --> 01:37:22.378
Yeah.

01:37:22.378 --> 01:37:23.988
And just relaxing, body relaxing.

01:37:23.988 --> 01:37:26.158
And not, you weren't, you, you quit trying.

01:37:26.158 --> 01:37:26.609
You quit trying.

01:37:26.609 --> 01:37:29.668
You're not mentally stressed and physically stressed and just relaxed.

01:37:29.939 --> 01:37:31.288
The strength, I actually.

01:37:32.038 --> 01:37:34.708
Uh, started running in, in Costa Rica.

01:37:34.918 --> 01:37:35.099
Hmm.

01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:43.109
Because I, we went to Costa Rica and I was like, I'm gonna run barefoot on this beach'cause that looks like a badass beach and I'll just run until I get tired.

01:37:43.109 --> 01:37:45.269
And I was like, shit, I'm not getting tired.

01:37:45.298 --> 01:37:45.628
Yeah.

01:37:46.139 --> 01:37:47.189
'cause I'm at sea level, you know?

01:37:47.338 --> 01:37:47.399
Yeah.

01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:51.269
And, uh, and that really kicked off for being You were smoking a cigarette while doing that?

01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:52.708
I did after, yeah.

01:37:53.279 --> 01:38:05.009
Uh, but it kicked off kind of a, you know, I eventually did the horse tooth half and the wild west relay a few times and, you know, slimmed down from my 200 pound banker weight to a trim 180 or, or whatever.

01:38:05.038 --> 01:38:05.368
That's awesome.

01:38:05.458 --> 01:38:05.548
Yeah.

01:38:05.548 --> 01:38:05.759
Good for you.

01:38:05.759 --> 01:38:11.158
Um, and, but it was, it, it was all kind of founded on that super strength from a beach trip.

01:38:11.623 --> 01:38:11.863
Yeah.

01:38:12.043 --> 01:38:12.344
Yeah.

01:38:12.344 --> 01:38:13.934
So I think there's definitely something to it.

01:38:13.934 --> 01:38:15.764
I think the, the, what is it?

01:38:15.764 --> 01:38:18.524
The, it's the negative ions when you're around water make you feel positive.

01:38:18.583 --> 01:38:18.764
Totally.

01:38:18.764 --> 01:38:18.854
Yeah.

01:38:18.854 --> 01:38:21.073
Like, and there's just so much there of just like positivity.

01:38:21.073 --> 01:38:22.184
Hawaii is amazing.

01:38:22.604 --> 01:38:24.868
We had such an amazing setup and yeah, very cool.

01:38:24.868 --> 01:38:25.243
And luck.

01:38:25.333 --> 01:38:27.974
And so it just kind of, the, the, Jill and I went there for our

01:38:27.974 --> 01:38:29.953
20th, uh, like two and a half years ago.

01:38:29.953 --> 01:38:30.224
Oh, cool.

01:38:30.253 --> 01:38:30.764
Which part?

01:38:30.854 --> 01:38:33.434
Uh, we went to Kauai and to, uh, wahoo.

01:38:34.003 --> 01:38:34.213
Okay.

01:38:34.213 --> 01:38:34.963
No, not Oahu.

01:38:35.054 --> 01:38:36.073
Uh, what's the one that burned?

01:38:37.408 --> 01:38:37.649
Uh,

01:38:37.738 --> 01:38:38.578
uh, Maui.

01:38:38.668 --> 01:38:39.029
Maui.

01:38:39.029 --> 01:38:39.389
Yeah.

01:38:39.394 --> 01:38:39.413
Yeah.

01:38:39.418 --> 01:38:39.658
Okay.

01:38:39.658 --> 01:38:39.899
Yeah.

01:38:39.899 --> 01:38:41.219
So we spent a week at each of those

01:38:41.519 --> 01:38:42.088
islands.

01:38:42.149 --> 01:38:44.488
So yeah, I've done Oahu and Big Island.

01:38:44.878 --> 01:38:45.238
Okay.

01:38:45.298 --> 01:38:46.828
Yeah, the Big Island will be next.

01:38:46.859 --> 01:38:47.009
Yeah.

01:38:47.069 --> 01:38:47.399
That's cool.

01:38:47.578 --> 01:38:47.878
It's fun.

01:38:47.939 --> 01:38:48.899
It snowed there the other day.

01:38:48.988 --> 01:38:49.828
We did it.

01:38:50.099 --> 01:38:50.578
Interesting.

01:38:50.668 --> 01:38:52.828
It hasn't snowed in Denver, but it snowed on the top of the mountain.

01:38:52.828 --> 01:38:52.979
Then

01:38:53.009 --> 01:38:58.588
the, uh, the closing segment is the Loco experience, and that's the craziest experience that you're willing to share.

01:38:58.588 --> 01:39:02.519
But I want to give you a chance if there's, if there's something else you wanna make sure you mention.

01:39:02.519 --> 01:39:07.259
I know you said you've got a show coming up December 13th, but this will probably publish after that, so that's not

01:39:07.288 --> 01:39:07.679
Yeah.

01:39:08.009 --> 01:39:08.729
Won't worry about those.

01:39:08.729 --> 01:39:11.248
Uh, dead Floyd's playing like January 23rd at the Aggie.

01:39:11.309 --> 01:39:11.759
Okay.

01:39:11.759 --> 01:39:13.139
Uh, and then 24th at Boulder Theater.

01:39:13.229 --> 01:39:13.529
Dig it.

01:39:13.559 --> 01:39:14.819
Uh, so you can Yeah.

01:39:14.939 --> 01:39:15.509
Promote those.

01:39:15.868 --> 01:39:16.533
Um, c Mini Tour.

01:39:16.889 --> 01:39:17.158
Yeah.

01:39:17.163 --> 01:39:17.413
Yeah.

01:39:17.878 --> 01:39:19.048
Weekend Warrior, right?

01:39:19.288 --> 01:39:20.639
Um, yeah.

01:39:20.639 --> 01:39:23.158
I don't know, other than, I mean, digital workshop center.com.

01:39:23.158 --> 01:39:25.708
If anyone wants to learn more about whatnot, the programs.

01:39:25.708 --> 01:39:29.064
But, um, happy to talk to everyone too if they ever just wanna Yeah.

01:39:29.123 --> 01:39:29.724
Call and call.

01:39:29.724 --> 01:39:30.234
Talk about'em.

01:39:30.654 --> 01:39:35.753
What we do, and especially for like team training, that's something we're just getting back towards more of is pushing for that.

01:39:35.814 --> 01:39:37.944
Like internally have a, a group.

01:39:38.094 --> 01:39:38.543
Yeah.

01:39:38.543 --> 01:39:40.463
Hire you, bring some in-house training, come full circle.

01:39:40.734 --> 01:39:40.793
We

01:39:40.793 --> 01:39:50.783
got away from that because it was less popular, but coming back to it where we're getting more teams and like employee training as we would call it, of um, yeah, soft skills and different things that people need.

01:39:50.844 --> 01:39:52.373
So if anyone needs that, lemme know.

01:39:52.703 --> 01:39:53.274
Well.

01:39:54.059 --> 01:39:56.128
The loco experience is the closing segment.

01:39:56.128 --> 01:40:00.599
That's the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.

01:40:43.934 --> 01:40:44.503
Yeah.

01:40:44.594 --> 01:40:50.863
Um, you know, I, well playing music, I could go through a long list of crazy experiences, but I'm sure Plus

01:40:50.863 --> 01:40:51.764
you were drinking heavily for

01:40:51.764 --> 01:40:55.243
many of those years, drinking, and there's other things involved there that I, you know, you've done drugs too.

01:40:55.363 --> 01:40:55.634
Oh, yeah.

01:40:55.634 --> 01:40:55.963
That's right.

01:40:56.533 --> 01:40:56.623
What?

01:40:56.623 --> 01:41:03.884
But I'm not gonna, I think I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna say this as my, I, I, I, when you say that, you know, it's like what pops in your head first?

01:41:03.913 --> 01:41:04.123
Yeah.

01:41:04.748 --> 01:41:08.229
Um, and I'll try to keep it brief'cause it's sort of long story, could be a long story.

01:41:08.229 --> 01:41:13.298
I will try to keep it as short as possible because I know we got things to do and, um, okay.

01:41:13.298 --> 01:41:16.868
I went to college at University of Maryland in, outside of DC Okay.

01:41:16.958 --> 01:41:17.139
Yeah.

01:41:17.139 --> 01:41:18.458
We didn't really touch that chapter much.

01:41:18.488 --> 01:41:18.759
Yeah.

01:41:18.819 --> 01:41:22.988
And, uh, so I wanted to get out, get the fuck outta Columbus, Ohio State's in Columbus.

01:41:22.988 --> 01:41:23.828
I was like, get outta here.

01:41:23.859 --> 01:41:27.338
So I go to Maryland and my best friend, um, terrapins.

01:41:27.338 --> 01:41:27.488
Right?

01:41:27.548 --> 01:41:28.149
Uh, terrapins.

01:41:28.149 --> 01:41:28.238
Yeah.

01:41:28.328 --> 01:41:28.658
Oh, nice.

01:41:28.838 --> 01:41:33.219
I, my, one of my best friends, I, I say my closest friend I grew up, I've known him when I was two.

01:41:33.609 --> 01:41:33.759
Okay.

01:41:33.764 --> 01:41:35.469
You know, so since like my kids' age, right.

01:41:35.469 --> 01:41:36.429
We've been friends our whole lives.

01:41:36.429 --> 01:41:37.238
We've gone different ways.

01:41:37.238 --> 01:41:40.269
We've kind of come back and at the time he was living in Phoenix.

01:41:41.054 --> 01:41:43.573
And he had gone to Ohio State with a guy named Pete.

01:41:44.024 --> 01:41:48.793
Pete worked, uh, his first family business selling textiles to casinos.

01:41:49.094 --> 01:41:49.663
Okay.

01:41:49.670 --> 01:41:53.399
And he was the biggest story, um, close Atlantic City.

01:41:53.559 --> 01:41:54.073
Atlantic City, yeah.

01:41:54.163 --> 01:41:57.944
And, um, he, but he did, he was very wealthy.

01:41:57.944 --> 01:41:59.503
His dad's business was very successful.

01:41:59.503 --> 01:42:01.423
He sold all of the carpets, the drapes.

01:42:01.573 --> 01:42:01.814
Oh yes.

01:42:01.814 --> 01:42:04.963
Everything to almost all the casinos in Atlantic City.

01:42:05.069 --> 01:42:05.359
Damn.

01:42:05.594 --> 01:42:08.833
And they were like, you know, repeating, they're always, uh, uh, doing things.

01:42:08.833 --> 01:42:10.934
So he was very wealthy.

01:42:10.934 --> 01:42:11.923
But Pete went to Ohio State.

01:42:11.923 --> 01:42:13.064
He met my friend Adam.

01:42:13.604 --> 01:42:19.423
Uh, I, I'm in DC in Maryland, and I invite Adam to come spend the summer with me, one of my closest friends.

01:42:19.934 --> 01:42:22.993
And so he drives out, he's living with me for the summer.

01:42:23.203 --> 01:42:24.644
He gets a call from his buddy Pete.

01:42:24.703 --> 01:42:26.743
Pete's like, Hey, I heard you're out here for the summer.

01:42:27.434 --> 01:42:28.873
I'm right not that far down the road.

01:42:28.873 --> 01:42:29.713
I'm in Atlantic City.

01:42:29.713 --> 01:42:30.613
Why don't you come down?

01:42:30.644 --> 01:42:34.543
And we're like, uh, what are we barely 21.

01:42:34.573 --> 01:42:35.743
I mean, honestly, I think we were.

01:42:36.043 --> 01:42:37.543
Underage and had fake adsd.

01:42:37.543 --> 01:42:37.573
Maybe only 20.

01:42:37.573 --> 01:42:37.769
Yeah.

01:42:37.809 --> 01:42:38.594
I think we had fake adsd.

01:42:38.923 --> 01:42:39.253
Pretty sure.

01:42:39.703 --> 01:42:44.894
Um, and uh, and we were just like, no, I, I can't afford it.

01:42:44.894 --> 01:42:46.213
Like, we both love playing cards.

01:42:46.213 --> 01:42:47.054
I love blackjack.

01:42:47.054 --> 01:42:47.833
Yeah, I love poker.

01:42:47.833 --> 01:42:52.514
But, uh, I was like, dude, I can't afford to go to Atlantic City and the amount of money in the hotel and everything in car.

01:42:52.514 --> 01:42:52.844
Right.

01:42:52.844 --> 01:42:54.613
And Pete's like, I got you.

01:42:54.613 --> 01:42:56.743
And we're like, well, what does that mean?

01:42:56.743 --> 01:42:57.944
He goes, I'll pay for your hotel.

01:42:57.944 --> 01:42:59.594
We're like, uh, that's awesome.

01:42:59.594 --> 01:43:00.314
Still can't do it.

01:43:00.314 --> 01:43:01.963
He's like, I'll pay for all your food.

01:43:02.354 --> 01:43:03.134
We'll get it all comped.

01:43:03.344 --> 01:43:05.444
He's, he's, he's such a big gambler, this guy Pete.

01:43:05.594 --> 01:43:08.684
He's like, I can get that comped and, and keeps going and going.

01:43:08.684 --> 01:43:09.854
And we're like, oh my God.

01:43:09.854 --> 01:43:11.293
Well I don't know how this I'll your drinks.

01:43:11.293 --> 01:43:16.934
I'll buy your, and we, and we were still pushing back a little'cause we were just both like, I don't want to go blow, you know, however much money gambling right now.

01:43:16.934 --> 01:43:17.863
Even it afford even a hundred bucks.

01:43:17.923 --> 01:43:18.163
Yeah.

01:43:18.224 --> 01:43:19.333
You know, with all the other things.

01:43:19.663 --> 01:43:27.344
Tope goes, look, I'm gonna send a limo from Atlantic City to the University of Maryland to pick you up and drive you.

01:43:27.344 --> 01:43:29.894
And however many one of your friends, you all can come.

01:43:30.104 --> 01:43:37.819
You can stay in a suite at uh, one of the hotels there at a very nice hotel, and you can hang out with me and I'll get you the show.

01:43:37.819 --> 01:43:39.854
I'll put everything on the room, shows everything is calmed.

01:43:40.243 --> 01:43:42.314
And, and so finally we're like, let's do it.

01:43:42.314 --> 01:43:48.793
So we get a group of friends together, smoking a bunch, drinking a bunch, two and a half hours, three hours down the road to Atlantic City.

01:43:49.184 --> 01:43:54.073
First of all, it picks us up and like outside the crappy apartment I lived in, you know, like this pimp, pal limo.

01:43:54.913 --> 01:43:58.123
So drives us there and, and like a group of six or more?

01:43:58.123 --> 01:43:58.814
Yeah, it was about six.

01:43:58.814 --> 01:43:59.054
Yeah.

01:43:59.054 --> 01:44:03.104
The girlfriend I was with at the time, Adam, two of their, two of my other buddies.

01:44:03.104 --> 01:44:04.333
And then maybe like one of their girlfriends.

01:44:04.333 --> 01:44:04.783
Something like that.

01:44:05.578 --> 01:44:10.738
Um, so we we're rolling down the road and this is, you know, pre-social media and whatever.

01:44:10.738 --> 01:44:14.668
We, I don't even, I think there's like one picture of this whole, these experiences.

01:44:14.698 --> 01:44:15.029
Okay.

01:44:15.208 --> 01:44:23.519
But, um, we get there, there's a spread of like Dom Perignon cigars, caviar, like the most expensive shit you can imagine, right.

01:44:23.849 --> 01:44:27.658
And the most expensive liquors in a suite in this gorgeous hotel.

01:44:27.899 --> 01:44:29.368
So we had our own, I had my own room.

01:44:29.368 --> 01:44:33.298
Adam had his own room, you know, and, and, and me and my girlfriend were like, this is amazing.

01:44:33.389 --> 01:44:33.509
Right?

01:44:33.509 --> 01:44:40.948
So we go to see shows and we see like Tommy Chong and we see, uh, a bunch of, you know, decent Vegas acts.

01:44:40.948 --> 01:44:41.279
Yeah.

01:44:41.729 --> 01:44:43.229
So the, I'm trying to speed up the story.

01:44:43.229 --> 01:44:45.748
So the, the, we did the, so it was so much fun.

01:44:45.809 --> 01:44:46.918
Everything was comps, right?

01:44:46.979 --> 01:44:50.009
You know, I always spent like a couple hundred bucks on gambling and I think I won.

01:44:50.009 --> 01:44:50.969
So I was in a great mood.

01:44:50.969 --> 01:44:51.118
Yeah.

01:44:51.509 --> 01:44:52.798
So then we did it like.

01:44:53.503 --> 01:44:54.493
Three more times.

01:44:55.033 --> 01:44:55.423
Okay.

01:44:55.423 --> 01:44:57.583
So this is the first of a series within a summer.

01:44:57.644 --> 01:44:57.913
Yeah.

01:44:57.913 --> 01:44:59.774
So this happened like a couple weeks later.

01:44:59.774 --> 01:45:00.644
He's like, let's do it again.

01:45:01.123 --> 01:45:04.094
Pete is a, I should have said at the top, he's like a degenerative gambler.

01:45:04.154 --> 01:45:04.363
Yeah.

01:45:04.363 --> 01:45:05.173
He's a ton of money.

01:45:05.384 --> 01:45:06.253
Doesn't know what to do with it.

01:45:06.493 --> 01:45:10.753
And so he's spending money like crazy and he was playing like in the high limit rooms.

01:45:10.844 --> 01:45:11.173
Whoa.

01:45:11.234 --> 01:45:12.913
And he's just blowing through money.

01:45:12.913 --> 01:45:16.304
And he, he's definitely got comped because he has such a high bankroll Right.

01:45:16.394 --> 01:45:16.753
That

01:45:16.753 --> 01:45:18.944
the casinos are making 20 grand a weekend off of him.

01:45:18.948 --> 01:45:19.109
Exactly.

01:45:19.113 --> 01:45:20.309
So they're happy to give him a couple rules.

01:45:20.309 --> 01:45:21.283
They, they know him from,

01:45:21.458 --> 01:45:22.213
from business.

01:45:22.213 --> 01:45:22.274
Yeah.

01:45:22.274 --> 01:45:24.793
But they also know him'cause he spends a stupid amount of money.

01:45:24.823 --> 01:45:25.213
Right.

01:45:25.304 --> 01:45:27.043
And so they're happy to comp his shit.

01:45:27.434 --> 01:45:35.144
And so we did a couple times, had a blast then like the fourth time we did it, um, he's like, my buddies are gonna meet us in the room.

01:45:35.144 --> 01:45:37.304
And when you guys get there, there might be some like friends there.

01:45:37.844 --> 01:45:39.163
Um, and we got there.

01:45:39.163 --> 01:45:39.823
There's nobody there.

01:45:39.823 --> 01:45:45.944
We go down, we gamble, we're getting pretty drunk, you know, and, and then we go up and now it's like one in the morning or something.

01:45:45.944 --> 01:45:49.484
And, and we like, we hadn't seen Pete that much, that much this time.

01:45:49.573 --> 01:45:50.774
He was up at the high roller table.

01:45:50.833 --> 01:45:51.793
He was at the high roller table.

01:45:51.854 --> 01:45:52.274
Exactly.

01:45:52.394 --> 01:45:56.503
And we get up to the room and there are like the most mafioso looking dudes.

01:45:56.564 --> 01:45:57.463
His lone sharks or what?

01:45:57.463 --> 01:45:59.024
Like legit mafia.

01:45:59.474 --> 01:45:59.804
Okay.

01:45:59.953 --> 01:46:02.293
And it was like jarring.

01:46:02.623 --> 01:46:02.804
Yeah.

01:46:02.804 --> 01:46:03.884
And intimidating.

01:46:03.884 --> 01:46:04.634
It was all hell.

01:46:04.963 --> 01:46:06.373
And I was terrified.

01:46:06.434 --> 01:46:06.764
Yeah.

01:46:06.793 --> 01:46:10.934
And um, yeah, I remember looking Adam and I was like, we should go.

01:46:11.384 --> 01:46:14.503
And, but Pete's like, oh, come meet my friend Ernesto.

01:46:14.863 --> 01:46:15.764
And I'm like, Hey.

01:46:15.764 --> 01:46:17.594
He goes, it's Ernesto Gambino or something.

01:46:17.594 --> 01:46:18.224
I was like, yeah.

01:46:19.123 --> 01:46:20.713
Who are you hanging out with?

01:46:20.713 --> 01:46:21.134
Pete.

01:46:21.194 --> 01:46:21.404
Right.

01:46:21.404 --> 01:46:21.503
And why?

01:46:21.503 --> 01:46:23.054
I was like, where am I right now?

01:46:23.054 --> 01:46:23.953
Why are you doing this?

01:46:24.389 --> 01:46:30.538
Well, he was high rolling with these guys and he was spending enough money that he was like becoming friends with these guys who were also high rolling, I guess.

01:46:30.689 --> 01:46:34.769
And there was a group of like eight to 10 people in there that were the most Italian.

01:46:34.769 --> 01:46:36.389
You guys had a bunch of 20-year-old

01:46:36.389 --> 01:46:39.748
freaking punk kids from Ohio and elsewhere.

01:46:39.779 --> 01:46:39.838
Yeah.

01:46:39.838 --> 01:46:41.548
Hanging out at University of Maryland.

01:46:41.548 --> 01:46:41.759
I had

01:46:41.759 --> 01:46:44.009
no business being hanging out with these guys Right.

01:46:44.009 --> 01:46:44.698
At any level.

01:46:45.179 --> 01:46:47.969
Uh, I was like smoking to joy, playing$10 tables.

01:46:47.969 --> 01:46:50.639
These guys are playing like 50 grand a roll on roulette.

01:46:50.939 --> 01:46:51.658
I'm not joking.

01:46:51.658 --> 01:46:52.349
I watched them do it.

01:46:52.529 --> 01:46:52.679
Wow.

01:46:53.009 --> 01:46:57.389
And, and a couple of'em, uh, one in particular was so fucking scary.

01:46:57.389 --> 01:46:59.399
Like he like just, he didn't say a word.

01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:00.269
Just didn't know if he was gonna hurt you.

01:47:00.269 --> 01:47:01.708
I was terrified of that guy or something.

01:47:01.708 --> 01:47:01.948
Right?

01:47:01.948 --> 01:47:02.158
Yeah.

01:47:02.158 --> 01:47:03.238
Like straight out of a TV show.

01:47:03.238 --> 01:47:05.788
And I was terrified of him and I didn't say a word to him.

01:47:05.788 --> 01:47:06.868
I was just like shaking.

01:47:06.868 --> 01:47:10.408
And then another guy, uh, you know, I sat down right next to him.

01:47:10.408 --> 01:47:11.458
We like sitting in a circle.

01:47:11.458 --> 01:47:15.899
Everyone's smoking and they got all this expensive stuff in the middle and you know, everyone's getting loud.

01:47:15.899 --> 01:47:20.698
And this guy, I sit down and we just, my normal thing to do is like, Hey, how you doing?

01:47:20.698 --> 01:47:21.238
My name's Stu.

01:47:21.418 --> 01:47:21.929
He goes.

01:47:22.288 --> 01:47:23.128
I'm not telling you my name.

01:47:24.748 --> 01:47:27.448
I was like, nice, nice, nice to meet you.

01:47:27.448 --> 01:47:29.069
And I was like, holy shit.

01:47:29.069 --> 01:47:32.279
And I just kept like getting really nervous and uncomfortable.

01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:45.448
And, and Adam, if Adam, my friend Adam had not been there, no one would believe me because it was, it was the most scary thing I've ever a part of Pete, um, wanted to keep gambling and me and Adam were like, yeah, we're gonna go somewhere else.

01:47:45.448 --> 01:47:46.319
And we just like left.

01:47:46.408 --> 01:47:46.708
Yeah.

01:47:46.708 --> 01:47:48.298
You're like, Wendy's is open.

01:47:48.509 --> 01:47:49.349
And then, and then

01:47:49.349 --> 01:47:52.168
later I come, we come back to the room, they're not there.

01:47:52.168 --> 01:47:53.639
Then Pete comes in frantic.

01:47:53.729 --> 01:47:54.059
Okay.

01:47:54.118 --> 01:47:56.849
And, uh, he's like, I lost a lot of money.

01:47:56.878 --> 01:47:58.259
And we're like, okay.

01:47:58.259 --> 01:47:59.128
Like how much?

01:47:59.128 --> 01:48:00.719
And he's like, I'm not telling you, but it is a lot.

01:48:01.078 --> 01:48:04.168
And, uh, I kind of owe those guys some money.

01:48:04.168 --> 01:48:06.719
And we're like, what the fuck are you doing, Pete?

01:48:06.748 --> 01:48:08.788
I was like, this is insane, right?

01:48:08.788 --> 01:48:11.189
Like, do you not understand who you're playing with right now?

01:48:11.219 --> 01:48:11.309
Right.

01:48:11.698 --> 01:48:14.609
And he's like, I need you guys to go down there and like, tell'em I'm good for the money.

01:48:14.609 --> 01:48:17.338
I was like, I am not fucking talking to any of these guys.

01:48:17.368 --> 01:48:19.649
Like, and he was like sweating bullets of like.

01:48:20.083 --> 01:48:20.474
Damn.

01:48:20.474 --> 01:48:25.123
Within however many hours he'd lost, like, I dunno, figure figures of dollars

01:48:25.123 --> 01:48:25.694
probably.

01:48:25.993 --> 01:48:28.993
And uh, ultimately I didn't, I definitely did not do that.

01:48:28.993 --> 01:48:32.234
And then, uh, he talked about later how he, he, he worked it out.

01:48:32.234 --> 01:48:33.613
He is like, we're gonna go to The Bahamas together.

01:48:33.613 --> 01:48:34.844
I was like, don't do that Pete.

01:48:34.873 --> 01:48:37.724
I was like, that's a terrible leave you there underneath the.

01:48:37.788 --> 01:48:38.479
Fishes.

01:48:38.538 --> 01:48:43.668
But, um, I did watch him gamble and I watched him 50 grand a roll, like, you know, wow.

01:48:43.698 --> 01:48:45.469
People's salaries a roll.

01:48:45.469 --> 01:48:49.819
And he would, he went up so much money, it was like, like 600,000 bucks.

01:48:49.819 --> 01:48:50.118
Right.

01:48:50.238 --> 01:48:50.988
And then I watched him

01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:54.378
lose it, lose it all, and be down to yeah, to zero.

01:48:54.378 --> 01:48:55.069
And then he'd do

01:48:55.069 --> 01:48:55.429
it again.

01:48:55.429 --> 01:48:56.538
And I'm like, that's so much money.

01:48:56.958 --> 01:48:58.429
So anyway, that, that's one of the craziest stories.

01:48:58.488 --> 01:49:02.779
Uh, just that crazy, just the mafia, like legit mafia.

01:49:02.779 --> 01:49:03.408
That totally.

01:49:03.769 --> 01:49:04.788
Ernesto Gambino.

01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:06.588
I'm sorry, maybe I shouldn't say that up.

01:49:06.588 --> 01:49:08.719
Hopefully Yeah, he's gonna be calling on you.

01:49:08.779 --> 01:49:11.328
And then, uh, yeah, the other guys who wouldn't tell me their names,

01:49:11.389 --> 01:49:15.738
if there's a new series we just started watching on Netflix, maybe a limited series Black Rabbit.

01:49:15.769 --> 01:49:16.548
Have you seen that one yet?

01:49:17.118 --> 01:49:18.319
Uh, I think I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.

01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.498
It's a, it's, you'd probably enjoy it'cause it's kind of that it's New York.

01:49:22.363 --> 01:49:25.363
Restaurants and mob stuff and loan sharks.

01:49:25.394 --> 01:49:25.514
Yeah.

01:49:25.514 --> 01:49:27.524
And the juices loose and whatnot.

01:49:28.003 --> 01:49:28.814
Um, it's, that's real.

01:49:28.904 --> 01:49:29.024
Yeah.

01:49:29.024 --> 01:49:29.474
It's very real.

01:49:29.623 --> 01:49:33.644
You see that whole thing about the, the, the rigging games for, uh, sports players, you know, for Yeah.

01:49:33.793 --> 01:49:34.573
Professional athletes.

01:49:34.753 --> 01:49:34.904
These

01:49:34.904 --> 01:49:35.083
guys

01:49:35.083 --> 01:49:39.583
making$30 million a year and, and, and betting some, I think they got like 20 grand duped into it.

01:49:39.583 --> 01:49:44.953
But then you gotta think it's the mafia and like if they come in, you're doing this right, or I'm gonna kill your family or hurt you or whatever.

01:49:45.613 --> 01:49:46.934
You're, I think intimidated.

01:49:46.934 --> 01:49:47.684
I think that whole sports

01:49:47.684 --> 01:49:50.234
betting thing is probably gonna go back the other way.

01:49:50.863 --> 01:49:55.363
Like, I don't think there's any way to uncorrupt that once that corruption.

01:49:55.423 --> 01:49:56.953
Well, for baseball,

01:49:57.673 --> 01:49:59.144
like, especially baseball.

01:49:59.474 --> 01:50:01.154
So that's who the mostly they've gotten so far.

01:50:01.694 --> 01:50:01.753
Yeah.

01:50:01.753 --> 01:50:02.113
Basketball too.

01:50:02.113 --> 01:50:06.163
They used to be able to like, uh, put a prop bed on a pitch.

01:50:06.224 --> 01:50:06.613
Right.

01:50:06.884 --> 01:50:09.359
So if they could signal to like the pitch, the inning.

01:50:09.689 --> 01:50:10.038
Right.

01:50:10.904 --> 01:50:15.253
Or make this pitch a ball, then like you could easily rig the game.

01:50:15.253 --> 01:50:15.463
Totally.

01:50:15.524 --> 01:50:15.854
Right?

01:50:15.884 --> 01:50:22.304
Totally Not, not necessarily lose the game of like losing the game of baseball, but like rig, how the people are gambling, especially all those prop beds.

01:50:22.363 --> 01:50:22.423
Yeah.

01:50:22.423 --> 01:50:23.623
So they did clamp down on that.

01:50:23.623 --> 01:50:30.524
I know baseball is like, trying to make that not as easy and like the max is like$200 now, or it wasn't a max before, but Yeah.

01:50:30.524 --> 01:50:36.283
Other stuff, like I know basketball guys got pulled in and um, all you gotta do is have a prop head of like, he's gonna miss his first shot.

01:50:36.314 --> 01:50:36.644
Yeah.

01:50:36.823 --> 01:50:37.154
And even

01:50:37.154 --> 01:50:38.894
legit easy players.

01:50:38.894 --> 01:50:41.234
And that one coach Chauncey VI think was,

01:50:41.713 --> 01:50:48.163
oh, and him I think is more on like the mafia side because he got, like, he got paid to be a celebrity sitting at a table.

01:50:48.194 --> 01:50:48.764
Right.

01:50:48.764 --> 01:50:50.833
He didn't know the table as far as I've heard.

01:50:50.833 --> 01:50:54.764
I don't right know, but I don't think he was necessarily, oh, he in on like the scam.

01:50:54.764 --> 01:50:57.194
But he was on it by proxy.

01:50:57.493 --> 01:51:00.988
Just sitting there, sitting there and they're like, you're going like, you're, yeah, you're going to sit there, we'll pay you, but you're good.

01:51:00.988 --> 01:51:01.469
You're gonna sit.

01:51:01.474 --> 01:51:03.163
And he's just like, okay.

01:51:03.224 --> 01:51:06.703
You know, and like, I'm sure he likes playing cards or whatever, but like you, he.

01:51:07.274 --> 01:51:07.783
Kind of bad.

01:51:07.934 --> 01:51:08.594
Wrong place.

01:51:08.594 --> 01:51:08.953
Wrong time.

01:51:08.984 --> 01:51:09.373
Yeah.

01:51:09.673 --> 01:51:10.094
Interesting.

01:51:10.213 --> 01:51:10.484
Yeah.

01:51:10.724 --> 01:51:12.253
Well, yeah, it's been fun.

01:51:12.253 --> 01:51:12.884
I hope you had fun.

01:51:12.944 --> 01:51:13.634
Had a great time.

01:51:13.634 --> 01:51:14.024
Thank you.

01:51:14.054 --> 01:51:14.293
Good.

01:51:14.293 --> 01:51:15.283
How long did we talk for hours?

01:51:15.283 --> 01:51:15.689
It feels like two hours.

01:51:15.939 --> 01:51:16.288
Hours.

01:51:16.288 --> 01:51:16.514
Oh wow.

01:51:16.514 --> 01:51:16.993
That's a long time.

01:51:16.993 --> 01:51:17.923
Pretty much that me?

01:51:17.923 --> 01:51:19.094
Not quite, but pretty close.

01:51:19.154 --> 01:51:19.333
All right.

01:51:19.333 --> 01:51:19.514
Yeah.

01:51:19.663 --> 01:51:20.203
Well, thanks.

01:51:20.203 --> 01:51:21.224
Are you gonna, yeah, thanks for all you do.

01:51:21.283 --> 01:51:21.793
Yeah,

01:51:21.793 --> 01:51:24.613
thank you for, I don't really have a custom sign on or anything like that.

01:51:24.673 --> 01:51:25.753
You need like a tagline.

01:51:26.024 --> 01:51:27.849
Did you want to do a, a little drum, uh,

01:51:29.623 --> 01:51:34.033
uh, little close, embarrassed everything here, but we can do a drum roll of like, what's your tagline?

01:51:34.033 --> 01:51:38.293
And then you could be like, oh, and here's Kurt.

01:51:38.298 --> 01:51:38.849
Here goes Stuy.

01:51:40.213 --> 01:51:40.844
Thanks for leaving.

01:51:40.844 --> 01:51:41.474
That's the opposite.

01:51:41.804 --> 01:51:42.583
Um, yeah.

01:51:42.583 --> 01:51:42.974
Thank you.

01:51:42.974 --> 01:51:43.394
That's cool.

01:51:43.394 --> 01:51:44.863
I, I love what you do with Think Tank.

01:51:44.923 --> 01:51:46.484
I'm sorry I've never officially been apart.

01:51:46.663 --> 01:51:47.173
You still could.

01:51:47.328 --> 01:51:48.253
I, I know I still can.

01:51:48.404 --> 01:51:51.163
Uh, I just need time and all these things we just talked about.

01:51:51.224 --> 01:51:51.463
Yeah.

01:51:51.493 --> 01:51:52.573
You can see why I have none.

01:51:52.634 --> 01:51:53.323
I understand why.

01:51:53.323 --> 01:51:54.613
Um, but yeah, I love it.

01:51:54.673 --> 01:51:55.963
I think the, the idea is awesome.

01:51:55.993 --> 01:52:00.073
Well, I appreciate all that you do and uh, keep up the good music and work.

01:52:00.134 --> 01:52:00.463
Thanks.

01:52:00.644 --> 01:52:01.064
Alright guys.

01:52:01.064 --> 01:52:01.243
Speed.