Nov. 8, 2025

EXPERIENCE 243 | Aaron Everitt - Post-Election Recap 2025 - Big Blue Wave! - Maskil Show November 20!

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Season 5

My good friend Aaron Everitt dropped by for a post-election recap episode this week, and I wore my blue Hawaiian shirt to symbolize the big blue wave that swept across much of America.  Aaron and I dig into what’s going on in the economy, and especially in the minds of young people and the working class, and where we might go as a nation from there.  Aaron shared some updates from his creative work, including his podcast and substack - Besides the Revolution - and his collaboration with House Inhabit. 

We also get into a real estate update - westside Fort Collins finally getting the love it deserves! - and we talked about the upcoming 25th Anniversary show of his travelling folk band from his college days and just after - Maskil.  The show is November 20 at The Rialto Theater, and tickets are both available and affordable - get them here.  We always have a lot of fun, and we usually enjoy a couple of bourbons - but today that was just me, as Aaron had band practice after!  So please enjoy my most recent conversation with Aaron Everitt.  


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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today returning after a significant absence from the studio, it's been in a minute, studio is Aaron Everett.

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Oh, it was last election.

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It was last

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election with your son.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's, uh, with Emerson

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one year ago.

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Yes.

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My, the, uh, oh, can you guess the, the symbolism or the, the metaphor in my choice of apparel today?

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Well, I see blue, so my guess is, uh,

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the blue wave.

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The blue wave, yes.

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I think

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much different tone in the news headlines this morning than it was, uh, a year ago, the day after the election.

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Yeah.

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I've not surprised.

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No,

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I mean, and I don't think it even had anything to do necessarily with, well, we can get into it further, but I don't think it actually had anything to do with.

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Uh, you know, like sometimes in the midterms you could see where it's the president's sort of,

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he screwed it up.

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He screwed it up.

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And so the consequences of this, I don't think that's what this was.

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Mm-hmm.

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This was, I, I think what's happening in America is really interesting and Trump's part of it, which is this, I want to find the biggest lever I can find to move the machine.

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'cause the machine is not moving in the way I want it to.

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And so I'm gonna try my best to kind of keep finding these levers that will do more and more radical things because I need this thing to break, which I think is the sentiment from the people that are voting, those that are actually agitated by the system, those that are young, youthful, uh, if you look at last night's,

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certainly the mom Dami.

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Yeah.

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If you look at Mom Dami stuff, it was all driven by youth vote last night.

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And immigrants.

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And immigrants in a huge way.

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And I think.

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You know, there is an impatience about the system.

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You, you look, even a year ago, people have this kind of w wild embracing of, Hey, we got a coalition put together.

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Let's move this sucker.

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Let's get this thing done.

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Doge gets rocking, there's

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stuff

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happening.

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Yeah.

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And then, and

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then

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Epstein list is coming out.

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Yeah.

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And then,

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and then the system does what it does, which is just sort of, you know, it just like, and now we're in

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day 37 or

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39, government shut down.

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And no one really, I mean, I know that there are people impacted by it, but it's always disproportionately impactful of the poor, of the middle class.

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It's not impacting Bill Ackman or, you know, whoever else at the top of the list.

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It's, they're not, they're not impacted by this.

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And so it's really interesting.

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I could be wrong, but I realized that the No King stuff is, yes.

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It's a, it's a bit of a.

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Division inciting mm-hmm.

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Creation arguably to try to bring about that big lever, but it's also a voter activation mechanism of Yeah.

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Historic proportion.

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Yeah.

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I mean you, they, this is the, that's a response to turning point for sure.

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Is kind of their activation.

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Some of the things that are out there.

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You have, and the other thing that you have going on right now is an absolute crazy in fight within the Right.

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Right.

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You have a really, really dramatic Trump

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attacking Massey and Rand Paul.

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Yes.

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And

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stuff like that.

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Like as long time libertarians we're like, but those are the good guys.

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Suck.

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Kind of, what are you doing attacking the good guys asshole.

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And you have that.

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And I just think it, the other piece of it that I don't think it anybody's, uh, nobody really wants to give this the credit that it deserves, but there's a real rub with foreign policy and the current.

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You know, this current iteration of what's going on in terms of people see our focus both in, in an inability to stop what's going on in Russia and Ukraine and our inability really to do any move, any lever in Israel and Gaza.

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And I think they are, but we know that we keep sending money,

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we keep trying and we spend a lot of time

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and effort on it.

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People spent a lot of money, we spent a lot of time on it.

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Netanyahu's been to Washington d DC more than four times now.

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Right?

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You, you and our people have been to Israel a ton of times.

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We've got a bunch of people back and forth with Ukraine.

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So I think that people are looking at it and going.

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Wait a second.

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I, a year ago, I had a lot of hopes that this was all gonna just go, you know, we were gonna get this done and, and I was willing to vote for this guy and his team because we were gonna move the needle.

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Now I think there are people that haven't moved the needle.

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I mean, I think, I think there are people that, within the administration that have moved the needle and including some of Trump's policies, but they can't go fast enough for, for what is actually happening to the people on the ground.

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Mm-hmm.

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Things are really expensive.

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You know, houses continue to rise in pricing.

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You've got real troubles with inflation.

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Anybody is not great.

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Anybody, no.

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Anybody under 40 is going, this system sucks.

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Yeah.

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And the people under 20 are looking at it and going, well, what's the point?

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Right?

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I, I've made this bargain, you know, I said this the other day to someone.

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Our generation made a bargain.

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We, we listened to our parents and we made the bargain that they had made, which was, well, if you just work hard and you do the right thing, you know, the system takes care of itself and we will trade, we'll have to trade away a few things off of our backs in terms of our taxes and our ex, our economic prosperity for the rest of the world to live at peace, because peace is better than war.

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Right.

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So that was their exchange.

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And so we took that exchange.

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My children aren't taking that exchange.

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Yeah.

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They don't, they don't believe that exchange exists for them.

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Yeah.

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That, that trade exists for them.

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That if they give up some of their future for peace and prosperity, that it will exist because they don't know anything else except war.

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Right.

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My children have grown up in war their entire lives.

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There's not a day they haven't been exposed

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to.

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Yeah.

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Worth$39 trillion in debt.

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At least one third of which is because of war,

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and every house is$500,000 in Fort Collins, they're going so.

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What am I trading for?

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There's not really peace and prosperity and, and I'm not sure that my hard work and taxes and energy and all the things that I'm gonna do if I did give that to you.

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Yeah, I'm not, I'm sure.

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I'm sure it's worth it.

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And so I think that's like a lot of what happened with mom DBE too.

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Is this Right?

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Look, we gotta try something else.

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I need a bigger lever.

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'cause what was happening sucks.

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And I don't wanna do this.

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So what do you think shakes down in, in New York City like, is he really gonna keep the rich people there to milk them harder to pay for all the things he wants to accomplish?

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I think if you look at what,

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because isn't New York's gotta be kind of broke already with all the.

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Spending and departures and suffer.

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It's just such a big economy that is not that broke or,

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I don't know.

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It's a big, it's a big system.

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There's a lot, the finance world can survive tax rates of 50%.

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Mm.

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It really can because

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yeah, what do they care?

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They don't make any

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sausage.

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It was all fake anyway.

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And they can, you know, so, and the way they take their, the way they take their income anyway, it isn't ever gonna be.

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Taxed at the rate that mom D's asking for, right?

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It's never gonna go like that.

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So they'll just find another way to shuffle it off into some, you know, dividend or something else.

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And those people will be not impacted.

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The people that will get crushed in this system will always be the same people.

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The middle class and the poor will be disproportionately impacted by those tax increases because that's how it will, it'll hit them the most.

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Yeah.

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If you go get a job and your taxes are higher because you're getting a W2 or whatever, you're gonna find yourself on the wrong side of this conversation.

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The, the people at the top of this system love it.

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They're like, they're very happy that it works the way that it does because they know that it just eliminates their competition.

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Every time a guy like this gets elected, it just eliminates another round of competition for them.

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So

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I, uh, you know, I come from a farm family and, and talk about agricultural subsidies and, and whatever, and, and when you do the math, it pretty much shows that.

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That subsidy is to the people that own the land.

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Yep.

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Which generally are the really wealthy already people.

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Yep.

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Uh, and some farmers, but most of them aren't as vibrant.

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You know, the, the real, you know, the people that own the land are people like Bill Gates.

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Exactly.

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Uh, he owns a lot of it.

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And he, by subsidizing agricultural crops and production, then he can charge more rent to the farmers that actually do the work.

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Yep.

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And I guess my question is, is how do you, aside from having a French revolution kind of thing, how do you reverse that trend?

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Like what are some of the actual policies that could actually make it through our current government oligarchy kind of system that would actually make it easier for those poor and middle class to not always get shoved in the.

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Mud puddle and push to the side regardless of whether the Republicans or the Democrats are the ones that are, because they use different levers, right?

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Like this lever beats up these people.

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Yeah.

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This lever beats up these people.

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Uh,

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I don't know that I have an answer to that, honestly.

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And I think that's what people are feeling,

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right?

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I think they're looking at this and going, none of this is making sense.

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I, I can't make this move.

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You know, I voted, I voted for the wrecking ball, so what happens?

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It didn't wreck anything.

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You know?

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Now I'm gonna vote for this guy and hope that it does this.

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Yes.

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Will it do it?

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I don't, I don't know.

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I mean, actually, I don't know that anything's gonna happen significantly within New York that will be that different than what it already is.

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Right?

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It's a big city.

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It kind of moves on its own.

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It's a$62 billion budget.

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That's the city's budget every year.

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Oh, wow.

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So it's a, it's the 10th largest economy.

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It just, the city is the 10th largest economy in the world.

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If it was a nation, it would be.

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Wow.

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So, I mean, it's, it's.

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It's a big deal, but I don't know that this, I just don't know that any of it makes a difference.

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I think the Mach, it's almost like you're on a train and you can walk in between the cars, but the trajectory and the dis and the destination is established, so you can kind of move back and forth and act like you're doing something, but the train is on its way to a destination.

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Yeah, and I'm not sure, I don't really know.

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We're on a 250th anniversary next year of our country.

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Most empires don't live past 250 years, so we're.

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We are at that place where I think,

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do you think we're actually in the crunchy times?

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I do.

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Potentially.

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The, it's coming the

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next five to 10 years could be, or 20 years,

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unless Congress can become, uh, effective, which I don't see that happening.

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Um, you've got, I mean, you'll, you'll have majorities and things that are gonna change with this new kind of gerrymandering stuff that's going on in California.

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Right.

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With that proposition that passed last night,

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filibuster iss probably on its way out

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here soon.

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Filibusters on its way out.

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Do you think so?

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I

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think it's probably so.

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I think so.

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Which is a dangerous move, but it's a move that, you know, without, that's the point we're at.

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Nobody knows what to do.

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Right.

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So you're just starting to take, you're just starting to take all of these things.

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Well,

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this whole government shutdown is an interesting case study.

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It's in itself totally.

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It's like, well, you know, we could just keep spending the same amount of money we've been doing, but we're using this lever as a, as a tool to bring us back to the bargaining table.

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And, you know, the, the.

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Nobody really knows what any of it does.

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What, what changed,

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right?

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Even if we put a new bill together, a, a Compromise Resolution to fix Obamacare.

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What would it do?

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Like what, what would it actually be?

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The,

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well, I know one thing it will do is spend more money.

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Right.

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You know, like, that's it.

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That's, we know that to be crew increase

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the pace by which the train reaches its destination of we're all fucked.

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Well, it's sad, but I do think it's, it.

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I'm just not sure.

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I've been riding a lot about this lately, which is just, you know, we, we are insisting that we live under this, the premises of rationalist documents, constitution, declaration of Independence, all created in a society that lived within a rational framework.

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Yeah.

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Which was, there were, there were things that were self-evident.

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We hold these truths to be self-evident.

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Which first line?

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Right.

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Uh, you

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know, nothing is self-evident hardly

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anymore.

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What is self-evident?

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Nothing.

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Right.

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So if, if

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with our current media and like the challenges totally, and taking in a perspective that isn't colored by somebody else's crayons.

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So all the people that stand there and wave their constitutions and say, Hey, you need to listen and behave to this.

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The people that are going, that are on the other side of, that are the opposite side of that are going, why, what, what is there for me to do in this?

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There's nothing here.

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This is a, this is a irrational time and you're asking me to sit down and obey a rationalist document.

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It just ends up being probably too much for anybody to really be able to pull back together.

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I think that, I think at the end of the point, I mean one of my great, one of the great lines I've heard lately, which is um, you know.

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All things come to a stop.

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But it makes a, it makes a great difference if the stop is above the waterfall or below it,

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right?

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But it always stops.

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And at what

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speed you stop

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from and what speeds is stop

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like that.

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We, as a motorcycle is, we always say it's not speed that kills, it's the rapid transition and speed, uh, that kills

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well, and I think your, our country's at that moment, which I just don't know.

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I don't know how you get away from where it's headed.

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If you had some state autonomy, if you really had states that could fight into these spaces.

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But, you know, unfortunately,

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could we have a constitu constitutional convention?

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It's available, but I don't, I don't know if there's enough.

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I just don't know if there's enough people that really want that to happen And, yeah.

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Because I think they

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both, both parties just wanna club the other party with a stick if they get a chance to hold the stick.

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I think so.

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But they all know that they've, they've all agreed to this, to the game's end.

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Right.

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Which is, well, we'll just do this.

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Like, we'll put the theater on, we'll put the show on.

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We'll do the things.

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And sometimes we'll get a guy that gets really out here, and sometimes we'll get a guy that's really out here, but the machine is moving in the same direction.

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So, you know, in Washington, most of those guys are not very bright.

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Most of the politicians are not very bright people.

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Are

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you serious?

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Yeah, I'm really serious.

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I met most of them.

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I mean, not most of'em, a lot of'em,

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a lot more than you knew before.

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Yeah.

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And, and they're not bright

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really.

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You had your like, that was me.

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When, when the first George Bush became president, right?

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Or was it the second one that was more evident?

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The second

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one

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was evidently, evidently not.

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And I was like.

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As a, as a little kid at the time, you know, I was, I dunno what I was 12 or 14 or something like that.

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I'm fucking smarter than this dude.

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Can't even say nuclear.

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You know,

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nuclear,

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nuclear.

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Um, and, but I, but I realized it broke my meritocracy points in some extent.

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I was like, oh, this, it isn't really the smartest person in the country that becomes the president.

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No, not even.

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Or a senator as apparently Congress,

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what

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you're talking about,

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Congressman.

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Yeah.

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None of them are very bright.

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I mean, some of them are

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some, gimme, gimme three or four or five that, that you've met that you think are pretty damn smart.

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Well, I've met, met Thomas Massey.

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He's very smart.

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Okay.

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So I'll give you that.

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And I like him.

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Right.

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Cheers.

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I've met Rand Paul.

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Nice guy.

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Very smart, very articulate, you know, sharp.

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Not as smart as his dad, but whatever.

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Not as smart as his dad, but sharp.

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I mean, but still a sharp person.

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Yeah.

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Um, you know, I, I think.

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Uh, beset scent from Tennessee.

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Yeah.

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Is a, like a kind of a bumpkin sounding guy, but he's actually pretty bright.

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Yeah.

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Beyond that, you know, I've not met Marjorie Taylor Green.

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I've not met those folks, but I have interacted, at least in the hearing room, didn't interact with him, but at least got to see and observe Bernie Sanders.

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I got to observe, um, Michael Bennett.

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I got to observe, you know, a number of people, both Republican and Democrat, and none of them struck me as people who could hold.

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You'd want to have a long conversation with.

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Who do you think is the dumbest that you've observed or interacted with?

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That's a, that's,

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sorry.

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You could make a pass on that question if you want to.

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Well, there's, uh, I don't know.

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You know, it's an interesting thing, the people in the hearing.

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So when I went to the, the hearings for Kennedy, oh,

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for RFK?

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Yeah.

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In February.

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And so to set the stage a little bit.

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You've gotten your taste of politics from being kind of an early supporter and eventual Yeah.

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Almost inner circle of sorts with RFK.

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Yeah.

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I have, I was, I mean, I, I never worked for the campaign, but I was really close with the, the campaign I had, the campaign manager's, cell phone and what we talked often and, you know, a lot of people within his sphere of, of people, his media director, all of his video guys, I was in that role.

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They were sharing

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some of your essays out there.

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Yeah.

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And whatever.

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And, and that, and we, you know, when we went to the inauguration, we got to be a, I was a part of their MAHA ball and all the rest of it.

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So got to be en engaged with politics, I think more than I thought I would ever be.

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Yeah.

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Honestly.

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Yeah.

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Um, and so yeah, pretty early adopter to that.

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So you haven't like concluded wow, these people in Washington DC are actually way more smarter than I thought.

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No, no.

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And when I went to the hearing, it was just so disillusioning.

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You know, I think what you see on TV or CSPAN is like.

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You see Bernie Sanders doing his big bluster and his thing, and then, and there's a light on a camera.

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You can see it, you know, there's a little red, red, red light, and it's some recording.

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And it's recording Bernie Sanders, and he's making his big scene and doing all of his stuff.

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And then the camera goes and turns red for RFK sitting at the desk, and Sanders just turns his chair around and doesn't listen to the answer.

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He's talking to his staffers.

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It's all theater.

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Oh my gosh.

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It's all, and that's, that's so gross.

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Every Congress person, right?

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Oh, that's

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so gross.

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Yeah, they're not listening.

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They're not actually engaging in what the hearing is.

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It's all there to get the clips they need in order to fundraise off of it or try to persuade somebody in the next election.

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So the system is dysfunctional at a level that I don't know that anybody really understands.

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Like we, we live in a very theatrical.

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Ethos in, in terms of how we see it.

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We,

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it's almost like, like I, I think if either you and me, or maybe it was in my blog, I talked about how the Hunger Games

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Yeah.

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At least the people in the Hunger Games kind of had a higher level of recognition of the kind of level of theaters that they were living under.

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Oh, yeah.

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We, we don't know.

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We, there's an American mythology that we definitely b buy into, you know, the Thomas Jeffersons and the, and the George Washingtons and Abraham Lincolns, all of it.

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It's all dead and gone, and that America is nowhere to be found.

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What we live in is a system that is, it's a managerial, it's a management system, is really what it has become.

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Hmm.

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We, we have a, there's a managerial class.

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A lot of people might call this the deep state or the blob or whatever, but it's just a managerial class.

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They really think that in order to have 350 million people live peacefully, you have to manage it.

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You have to manage them, you have to control every widget fitted in a spreadsheet.

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And, and, and if it falls outside of that, then that's, that's, you know, it's like less valuable.

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It's less valuable.

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We need to push it together.

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Right.

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It's sort of this, I I've been saying, it's like Terry from Soul, the movie where he basically is angry that somebody's missing from his count, his register.

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'cause the one guy sort of has fallen out of thing.

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And so, you know, this guy's just running around trying to figure out why his spreadsheet doesn't match, you know, and by the end of it, you know, the, the people that are, the other guys are like, and here's your award, Terry, for the one that you requested.

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You know, and I think that's kind of what Washington is, just these managerial people that want something done.

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And it's the hardest part is I've, I've been on a number of conversa in a number of conversations with lots of people from public health, lots of people in politics, and they, and when you talk to them, the, the average citizen really wants something done.

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They may have different solutions for what they think they, what should be done.

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Yeah.

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But they all are sort of in the same trajectory.

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Hey, something, this isn't, we need do something.

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Something's off here.

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Not

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doing something is not

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what we should do.

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Yeah.

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Like what we're doing isn't working and we need to do something.

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Now, my answer might be bad, your answer might be bad.

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We could debate that, but we both can agree that we should do something.

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I've been on a podcast called Why Should I Trust You?

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Which is this.

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It's a great, really interesting one with people that are doing their public health and Maha people and they're kind of, and they're trying to synthesize this.

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Oh, now I'm remembering.

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Yeah.

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I, I came across that the other day.

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I was like, when did I, when did I start listening to this and how did it come onto my feed?

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I think I sent it to you.

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Potentially.

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You, yes.

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Now I remember

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very interesting people, you know, doctors who were on the front lines of COVID and Yeah.

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There were people and, and so you have to sit down in this conversation and it, and they're not easy.

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You know, I was on one with the guys that all resigned from the CDC.

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Oh.

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It was.

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Really interesting, right?

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Yeah.

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I'm, I'm trying to say our points, they're trying to say their points.

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At the end of it though, both parties were saying something's wrong.

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Something's wrong in this system, and so we probably need to do something.

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Mm.

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Now we might have different solutions about it, but at least we can agree that let's try, we should try something.

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And that's what I think you're seeing in electoral politics as of last night's results.

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It was, okay, we tried this, it didn't work, let's go all the way to the other side.

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Yeah.

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And get as radical as we can to the other side.

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So is, is the Republican party screwed in the midterms now as, uh, the, the market exchange, uh, says this morning?

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Or like, are they things they can do from here?

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They Trump won?

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Did

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they need to fold on the fold on the government shutdown thing or is that a whole true?

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I don't think, no, I don't think that's actually, they're not

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gonna,

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I don't think that's what is bothering people.

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The government shutdown doesn't bother people.

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I think most of

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them barely notice.

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They don't, they very few notice.

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I mean, it, it certainly impacts the poor, the SNAP

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programs

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and stuff.

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Of course, significant and I don't want to diminish that for people'cause that's a real thing.

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Agree.

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But I, but I do.

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Genuinely think that most people are going, okay, if you can't get yourself to play in the sandbox together, stay shut down until you can figure it out.

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'cause we don't, we're not just gonna do this to go do this again in six more months.

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Which is always what happens.

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Yeah.

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You know, here's more theater, here's more stuff.

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Ah, we've got another continuing resolution.

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Oh.

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But this time with only 18%

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spending increase,

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it's just stupid.

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And I think people are not necessarily frustrated by the outcome of that, which is this impasse of, well, we don't have good solutions.

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Premiums are going up like crazy in Obamacare.

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Yeah.

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What, why?

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Why is that happening?

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No one can answer that question, you know?

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You know, one thing that's been curious to me is, so Jill and I signed up for actually the same health exchange Yeah.

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I think that you referred me to years ago, which is a co-op.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right?

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We send checks to somebody in Florida or Tennessee or it's awesome.

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:03.440
Whatever.

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Every month our prices have hardly gone up.

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Yeah.

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In the five years we've been members.

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Yeah.

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I mean

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it's like 600 bucks a month or something for me.

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We started or

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something

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with six children,

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not even five.

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Yeah.

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We have six, I mean four children, six of us in our family, and we started on that program and it's gone up since then, but I think we started at about 400 and I think we're at 6 75 or something like that.

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The

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kids are all

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still over.

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Everybody.

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Yeah.

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Everybody's still,

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oh, maybe ours is only 405.

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Yeah.

00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:29.960
It's crazy.

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It's crazy.

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And it's, and it really works, right?

00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:38.660
You know, we've, we've worked, we, we've used it for broken arms, we've used it for, I mean, I've had a heart issue, I had That's right.

00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:39.230
15,

00:24:39.230 --> 00:24:40.190
all sorts of stuff.

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And we've used it for all of it and it's always paid us back.

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And I'm also motivated to keep my self together.

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.029
Like I don't wanna rely on that.

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Yeah.

00:24:50.750 --> 00:24:57.650
But that's crazy that you and I and tens of thousands of other, hundreds of thousands of other people can have a, be part of a.

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Insurance approved, or IRS approved.

00:25:01.654 --> 00:25:01.775
Yep.

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Whatever the fuck that means for your health insurance.

00:25:04.295 --> 00:25:06.575
Excuse my language, but for your health insurance.

00:25:06.904 --> 00:25:08.674
But that is approved and fits.

00:25:08.674 --> 00:25:08.765
Yep.

00:25:08.914 --> 00:25:14.795
That can really only be 700 bucks a month for a family of six or 500 bucks a month for a couple.

00:25:14.944 --> 00:25:15.184
Yep.

00:25:15.694 --> 00:25:18.785
Which sounds like here's a great deal comparatively, but Yeah.

00:25:18.845 --> 00:25:18.994
Yeah.

00:25:18.994 --> 00:25:20.015
And it just, it's okay.

00:25:20.015 --> 00:25:22.174
Like that their program isn't going broke.

00:25:22.384 --> 00:25:25.295
No, and it works and it's managed well.

00:25:25.355 --> 00:25:30.035
And they have, they have, you know, we send one check a year to them as an administrative fee,

00:25:30.154 --> 00:25:30.275
right?

00:25:30.275 --> 00:25:30.394
Yep.

00:25:30.575 --> 00:25:34.565
11 other times of the year we're writing a check to somebody else around the country and it works just great.

00:25:34.595 --> 00:25:36.305
And it's worked great for, we've been on it.

00:25:36.305 --> 00:25:36.694
So why doesn't

00:25:36.694 --> 00:25:38.134
everybody just join something like that?

00:25:38.525 --> 00:25:39.275
Well, I don't know.

00:25:39.305 --> 00:25:47.974
I mean, at the end of the day, that's really what this, these are the problems that America faces that I don't think people have really wrestled with, which is like, wait a second.

00:25:47.974 --> 00:25:48.365
So.

00:25:48.785 --> 00:25:56.345
Your solution to the complications with insurance is to give the program to the insurance people to fix the insurance

00:25:56.345 --> 00:25:58.234
so that we can require insurance for, I

00:25:58.234 --> 00:25:58.384
mean,

00:25:58.384 --> 00:26:00.815
that's just everybody that doesn't need insurance and everybody that does,

00:26:00.845 --> 00:26:03.875
that's like drinking bleach and hoping you don't die.

00:26:04.775 --> 00:26:06.095
You know, it's really stupid.

00:26:06.095 --> 00:26:08.345
What everybody needs is a little more insurance cost in their

00:26:08.345 --> 00:26:08.494
life.

00:26:08.494 --> 00:26:12.724
Yeah, no, I mean, no one wants this, like, nobody likes insurance.

00:26:13.075 --> 00:26:14.214
It doesn't function.

00:26:14.275 --> 00:26:18.444
It, you know, an insurance at this point in our country is mostly a loan.

00:26:18.744 --> 00:26:20.065
They don't really want to pay.

00:26:20.095 --> 00:26:21.535
So you pay in all the time.

00:26:21.684 --> 00:26:21.805
Right.

00:26:21.805 --> 00:26:31.450
Then they raise your premiums in order to make sure that your, your insurance is, and if Brandon Avery's listening to this, he knows exactly how angry I get about all of this because it's just this, they try not pay.

00:26:31.454 --> 00:26:32.095
It's perpetual.

00:26:32.154 --> 00:26:33.684
They don't wanna pay your claim anyway.

00:26:33.775 --> 00:26:33.894
They're

00:26:33.894 --> 00:26:35.154
a lot more powerful than you are

00:26:35.184 --> 00:26:36.325
and you're kind of stuck.

00:26:36.325 --> 00:26:38.454
And then once they do pay it, they raise your rates anyway.

00:26:38.454 --> 00:26:40.825
And I didn't ask for a loan, but I guess that's what it is.

00:26:40.825 --> 00:26:44.934
I'm not sure what all the premiums I paid all the years before were for, but, but that's where Americans are.

00:26:44.934 --> 00:26:46.404
I think they're really Yeah.

00:26:46.434 --> 00:26:47.545
Frustrated by this.

00:26:47.545 --> 00:26:51.744
And they look at the people that they've sent to Washington and they have really high hopes and good.

00:26:51.775 --> 00:26:57.865
And look, I, there are things getting done that are really good, but it just will, it'll never feel like enough.

00:26:57.894 --> 00:26:59.815
The swamp monster will just continue to blob

00:26:59.815 --> 00:26:59.875
up.

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Yeah.

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Uh, no matter how many,

00:27:01.634 --> 00:27:05.565
and maybe they'll get some things done, but it's never gonna get ratified by Con Congress.

00:27:05.565 --> 00:27:10.484
And if it doesn't get ratified by Congress, when we swing back the other way, it's all over anyway.

00:27:10.484 --> 00:27:11.325
Yep, yep.

00:27:11.355 --> 00:27:15.105
And they know it all these executive actions on both sides, so that's part of the goal.

00:27:15.194 --> 00:27:15.345
Yeah.

00:27:15.345 --> 00:27:19.259
By the way, before I forget, before we get off the election coverage, I do have a gift that you may have seen earlier.

00:27:19.964 --> 00:27:20.835
I didn't see all of it.

00:27:21.015 --> 00:27:24.914
I bought two in, uh oh.

00:27:24.914 --> 00:27:27.164
This is not gonna fit with the microphone on, but.

00:27:27.755 --> 00:27:29.285
In, uh, in Hollywood.

00:27:29.285 --> 00:27:32.224
I bought a couple of, uh, hey, make America great again.

00:27:32.224 --> 00:27:33.095
Visors.

00:27:33.154 --> 00:27:33.664
Here we go.

00:27:33.964 --> 00:27:42.394
Uh, from a black fellow on the Hollywood, uh, walk of fame area there, and Jill said the red one is basically like a target.

00:27:43.115 --> 00:27:43.355
Yeah.

00:27:43.384 --> 00:27:47.974
Uh, and I'm not allowed to wear that in public places because it's crazy.

00:27:47.974 --> 00:27:49.115
Fuckers might just

00:27:49.535 --> 00:27:50.224
take you out,

00:27:50.224 --> 00:27:52.894
tune in on the red hat and take me out.

00:27:53.525 --> 00:27:54.424
It's unfortunate.

00:27:54.424 --> 00:28:09.875
You know, I, I wish we, that that's all part of this whole cycle, Charlie Kirk stuff and the things that have happened with everything, we just are finding ourselves in a situation in which people don't feel listened to and when they don't feel listened to, the results are not good.

00:28:10.025 --> 00:28:10.325
Yeah.

00:28:10.414 --> 00:28:12.664
You do end up in French revolutions, especially

00:28:12.664 --> 00:28:13.204
in young men.

00:28:13.654 --> 00:28:14.105
Oh yeah.

00:28:14.105 --> 00:28:19.384
You have too many young men unemployment tickets and, uh, stuff to listen to.

00:28:19.684 --> 00:28:26.464
You know, one of the best books that I've read lately is called A Monster of Their Own Making.

00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:26.900
Yeah.

00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:38.359
And it's by a friend of mine, Jack Bucky, who's uh, guy from u the UK who found himself kind of on the, on a frustrating side of a political issue in the uk.

00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:41.960
He was labeled The Boy Wonder of the Right of the far Right.

00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:42.710
He, you know Right.

00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.069
Got pushed into this corner of being a white nationalist.

00:28:46.069 --> 00:28:48.829
He's not, but that's what kind of happened with media.

00:28:48.835 --> 00:28:49.045
Right,

00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:49.279
right.

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:55.069
Ruined his life and you know, he came out of it and he was in, he was a part of the RFK campaign and that's how I met him.

00:28:55.099 --> 00:28:55.279
Yeah.

00:28:55.339 --> 00:29:04.285
And ultimately, you know, it was just kind of this crazy thing that's happened that all happened because the government of the UK wouldn't listen to what their grievance were wants

00:29:04.285 --> 00:29:04.444
saying.

00:29:04.549 --> 00:29:04.759
Yeah.

00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.125
I mean, I'm frustrated by the grooming gangs and I was frustrated by my.

00:29:08.765 --> 00:29:11.585
My classmate, girl classmates being raped.

00:29:12.125 --> 00:29:14.704
I would like an answer to how we solve this problem.

00:29:14.795 --> 00:29:15.065
Right.

00:29:15.394 --> 00:29:17.105
And ultimately they didn't.

00:29:17.105 --> 00:29:18.154
They're like, you're just a racist.

00:29:18.154 --> 00:29:18.365
You don't

00:29:18.365 --> 00:29:19.115
like, like Muslims.

00:29:19.115 --> 00:29:19.414
Right.

00:29:19.414 --> 00:29:20.734
They just called him names and

00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.525
he's like, well, because they keep racist raping my classmates.

00:29:23.615 --> 00:29:26.345
So like it was really, you know, it's, I'm

00:29:26.345 --> 00:29:27.424
not really anti-Muslim.

00:29:27.424 --> 00:29:29.015
I'm just anti-rape rapey.

00:29:29.015 --> 00:29:29.914
Yeah, exactly.

00:29:29.914 --> 00:29:37.625
And what's interesting about the book is just Jack talks a lot about his, just how he's had to walk through all of these things that ruined his life

00:29:37.654 --> 00:29:37.894
Yeah.

00:29:37.894 --> 00:29:38.855
By speaking up.

00:29:39.065 --> 00:29:39.424
Yeah.

00:29:39.484 --> 00:29:42.154
And so the consequences for speaking up are too great.

00:29:42.214 --> 00:29:45.994
It really reminds me of that, uh, what's that suicidal empathy kind of Yeah.

00:29:45.994 --> 00:29:48.335
Topic from Gad sad or whatever his name is.

00:29:48.335 --> 00:29:48.394
Yeah.

00:29:48.394 --> 00:29:52.234
But reflections in the same topic, but from a more ground level perspective here.

00:29:52.234 --> 00:29:52.384
Yes.

00:29:52.894 --> 00:29:53.494
From a young guy.

00:29:53.494 --> 00:29:55.865
He was 15, 16 years old when all this was going on.

00:29:55.865 --> 00:29:56.525
Whoa.

00:29:56.615 --> 00:29:59.434
And trying to help his high school classmates.

00:29:59.494 --> 00:29:59.825
Right.

00:29:59.855 --> 00:30:02.585
You know, and, and that, that to me is.

00:30:03.335 --> 00:30:11.674
But his point and his kind of, I don't know, the, the thesis of the book is ultimately when governments don't listen to you, then all it does is push you to radicalization.

00:30:12.065 --> 00:30:12.154
Mm-hmm.

00:30:12.394 --> 00:30:12.994
And that's really what.

00:30:13.355 --> 00:30:14.164
That's really where we're at.

00:30:14.164 --> 00:30:14.434
Yesterday's

00:30:14.434 --> 00:30:14.795
election

00:30:14.795 --> 00:30:15.575
was too, that's what it is.

00:30:15.575 --> 00:30:17.075
And I, I don't know that we're getting away from

00:30:17.075 --> 00:30:17.164
that.

00:30:17.164 --> 00:30:21.095
Well, and the government didn't listen to the people that put the current administration in either.

00:30:21.275 --> 00:30:22.865
They didn't release the Epstein list.

00:30:22.865 --> 00:30:25.174
They didn't follow through with the Doge stuff.

00:30:25.204 --> 00:30:25.474
Really?

00:30:25.595 --> 00:30:25.910
No, they don't.

00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:26.190
They didn't finish.

00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:28.355
They, they weren't interested in bombing Iran.

00:30:28.355 --> 00:30:34.384
They weren't interested in all of these things that are going, look, this just doesn't feel like what you said.

00:30:34.625 --> 00:30:37.505
You talked about America first.

00:30:37.505 --> 00:30:39.305
You talked about Make America Great again.

00:30:39.305 --> 00:30:44.914
You talked about these things that we actually resonated with, dove into and said, yes, I like to do something with that.

00:30:44.914 --> 00:30:47.315
They didn't cut off illegal immigration just like that.

00:30:47.375 --> 00:30:48.365
Yeah, I mean there's

00:30:48.365 --> 00:30:50.315
those, they just stopped trying.

00:30:50.404 --> 00:30:51.095
They, yeah,

00:30:51.125 --> 00:30:54.005
like they didn't even really have to put any border agents to the border.

00:30:54.005 --> 00:30:56.045
They just had to be like, Trump's in power now.

00:30:56.045 --> 00:30:58.115
And all the Guatemalans were like, shit.

00:30:58.115 --> 00:30:58.654
Turn around.

00:30:58.660 --> 00:30:58.910
Turn around.

00:30:58.984 --> 00:30:59.045
We

00:30:59.045 --> 00:30:59.944
got there before.

00:31:00.035 --> 00:31:00.365
Yeah.

00:31:00.724 --> 00:31:04.625
But unfortunately that also still, we still see those impacts.

00:31:04.625 --> 00:31:07.595
I mean, we see it in, oh yeah, you see it in the price of housing.

00:31:07.595 --> 00:31:08.750
Well, in the election of ami.

00:31:09.005 --> 00:31:09.454
Yes.

00:31:09.454 --> 00:31:10.055
You do like

00:31:10.055 --> 00:31:10.565
probably.

00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:13.940
A good number of those voters were freshies?

00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:14.809
Probably.

00:31:15.019 --> 00:31:16.519
Yeah, probably so.

00:31:16.525 --> 00:31:32.630
And I, and I don't know, and again, like the things that, that were promised and talked about, having a voter ID for, for voting like that, you had to have an i a picture ID to vote that you had to, that you had to be an American citizen to vote that you had to do these things.

00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:36.230
All of that is like not happening.

00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:38.809
And it won't happen through Congress.

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.200
Yeah.

00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.339
Nothing will happen through Congress

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:44.059
in the, and he might be able to make an executive order, but you'll find some judge anytime

00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.740
me end to getting rid of the filibuster.

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:45.920
Now

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:48.529
find, I don't think so.

00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.309
You'll find some judge somewhere that'll stop whatever executive order.

00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:52.579
Yeah.

00:31:52.609 --> 00:31:55.430
You know, it's just this death by a thousand paper cuts.

00:31:55.670 --> 00:31:56.240
So I don't know.

00:31:56.269 --> 00:31:57.170
We'll see what happens.

00:31:57.170 --> 00:31:58.130
How do you get off the ride?

00:31:58.130 --> 00:31:58.579
I don't know.

00:31:59.255 --> 00:32:00.815
Talk to me about Oh yeah.

00:32:00.815 --> 00:32:01.684
So that's yours.

00:32:01.684 --> 00:32:08.525
You can pass it along you to, uh, if you're not scared to wear it in public, um, tell you, maybe you're a visor guy, maybe you're not.

00:32:08.914 --> 00:32:09.785
I'll give it to my mom.

00:32:12.664 --> 00:32:14.974
Um, no, the creative stuff overall.

00:32:14.974 --> 00:32:20.765
So you're doing, you, you got a podcast with, with, uh, BBY yet, right?

00:32:20.974 --> 00:32:21.365
The besides, yeah.

00:32:21.365 --> 00:32:21.375
Jack,

00:32:21.375 --> 00:32:21.880
Jack, Bucky,

00:32:21.964 --> 00:32:25.295
Jack, uh, on the, besides the revolution.

00:32:25.414 --> 00:32:25.625
Yep.

00:32:25.744 --> 00:32:29.555
And then you've got other creative works that you're expanding or,

00:32:29.795 --> 00:32:31.625
yeah, I've, um, have

00:32:31.625 --> 00:32:32.015
expanded.

00:32:32.194 --> 00:32:33.545
I've been doing a lot on Substack.

00:32:33.545 --> 00:32:34.295
I like it a lot.

00:32:34.295 --> 00:32:36.305
I like, I actually like the whole thing.

00:32:36.605 --> 00:32:39.785
It's great place to go get long con, long form content.

00:32:39.785 --> 00:32:44.644
I like it so much more than XI can't even see straight,'cause at least you can read something.

00:32:44.644 --> 00:32:49.204
And if you don't, it's not just a 10 para, you know, 10 sentence thought.

00:32:49.204 --> 00:32:52.174
It's like somebody's actually gone outta their way to make a logical argument.

00:32:52.234 --> 00:32:55.660
You may not agree with the argument, but at least it's readable and okay.

00:32:55.660 --> 00:32:57.460
And then people are trying their hardest to sort of.

00:32:58.250 --> 00:32:59.960
Find themselves a publication voice.

00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.019
Yeah.

00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.869
And it's been really cool to sort of participate in that.

00:33:03.589 --> 00:33:07.549
Wasn't, didn't Barry Weiss go straight to Substack when she got let go?

00:33:07.910 --> 00:33:08.089
Yeah,

00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:08.569
she did that.

00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:10.414
Got her a nice fact contract, a nice with abc,

00:33:10.535 --> 00:33:11.174
a nice contract with

00:33:11.494 --> 00:33:19.309
C and a big, big, uh, valuation multiplier on whatever the hell she was making on her previous engagement.

00:33:19.430 --> 00:33:19.940
Well, that's good.

00:33:19.940 --> 00:33:27.710
I mean, and I think it, it's probably more the future of media is something like Substack, whether it'll be Substack or something else, I don't know.

00:33:27.710 --> 00:33:36.109
But I think the future of it is a much more audience to writer or audience to creator, direct to consumer, uh,

00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:36.559
yeah.

00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:37.039
Program.

00:33:37.130 --> 00:33:37.309
Yeah.

00:33:37.339 --> 00:33:41.029
Advertising has been the bane of existence for media, to be honest.

00:33:41.059 --> 00:33:41.240
Totally.

00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:42.289
From the beginning of time.

00:33:42.295 --> 00:33:42.305
Yeah,

00:33:42.305 --> 00:33:42.494
totally.

00:33:43.255 --> 00:33:47.394
People don't want pay for the content that it require, that it requires to be a citizen.

00:33:47.394 --> 00:33:53.035
So the solution has always been that the newspapers charged the right, the business people to do the thing.

00:33:53.125 --> 00:33:53.365
Yeah.

00:33:53.394 --> 00:33:55.075
That just gets too convoluted,

00:33:55.134 --> 00:33:55.404
right?

00:33:55.404 --> 00:33:56.815
It's made too many messes over here.

00:33:56.815 --> 00:33:57.444
You're not gonna run this

00:33:57.444 --> 00:33:58.285
story, Bob.

00:33:58.375 --> 00:33:59.125
Yeah, exactly.

00:33:59.125 --> 00:33:59.365
That'd be

00:33:59.420 --> 00:34:01.194
be the last ad I ever run in your paper.

00:34:01.224 --> 00:34:01.825
That's right.

00:34:01.825 --> 00:34:06.085
And that's been there from the beginning of, of kind of media in the United States.

00:34:06.384 --> 00:34:15.114
So Substack is interesting to me because I think it allows people to say, well look, if you like what I'm doing, you can pay me five bucks a month and you'll get a lot of content.

00:34:15.114 --> 00:34:16.554
I'll write stuff all the time.

00:34:16.554 --> 00:34:21.505
And you can now, it'll have to sort itself out because people are gonna have to vet whether are a good sources, not probably be,

00:34:21.835 --> 00:34:24.264
networks are developed over time and stuff.

00:34:24.264 --> 00:34:24.655
I even, I think so.

00:34:25.255 --> 00:34:28.675
Yeah, we're part of this, you know, this group of sub stackers are all together, right.

00:34:28.675 --> 00:34:31.045
Doing this kind of pub media publication kind of thing.

00:34:31.585 --> 00:34:32.425
It'll be good.

00:34:32.425 --> 00:34:34.704
I mean, I think in the long run it'll be really good for media.

00:34:34.704 --> 00:34:37.255
We're in a really weird moment of it, but that's why I'm participating in it.

00:34:37.255 --> 00:34:39.264
'cause I think it's, it's very valuable.

00:34:39.264 --> 00:34:39.385
And

00:34:39.385 --> 00:34:41.125
what's your station there?

00:34:41.125 --> 00:34:41.215
You,

00:34:41.215 --> 00:34:46.525
so that's besides the revolution is where I write every, like, so Jack and I do a podcast on there, which Great.

00:34:46.525 --> 00:34:47.719
Substack allows you to do launch.

00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:48.355
So you own that space.

00:34:48.355 --> 00:34:49.315
Is that your podcast?

00:34:49.315 --> 00:34:50.635
But Jack's your guest, but you own

00:34:50.695 --> 00:34:50.965
that space.

00:34:50.965 --> 00:34:52.434
Jack and I kind of started it together.

00:34:52.434 --> 00:34:54.474
Jack's, he's a writer as well.

00:34:54.474 --> 00:34:54.684
We

00:34:54.775 --> 00:34:58.344
trying out to get imprisoned by the, uh, social media authorities in the uk.

00:34:58.704 --> 00:34:59.335
Exactly.

00:34:59.454 --> 00:35:01.135
Or killed by the rape gang.

00:35:01.224 --> 00:35:07.434
So he, you know, he and I, he contributes, we both do a pod, you know, we'll do something once every couple of weeks.

00:35:07.434 --> 00:35:08.514
We'll do a podcast over there.

00:35:08.965 --> 00:35:13.045
But then I, like when I write and I write a lot, I always publish it there.

00:35:13.375 --> 00:35:18.534
Or I've actually been doing a lot of guest posting for, uh, house and Habit, which is kind of a

00:35:18.625 --> 00:35:18.835
Yeah.

00:35:18.864 --> 00:35:21.684
Larger, uh, Substack that's out there.

00:35:21.715 --> 00:35:22.135
She.

00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.699
She's really, so

00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:30.300
that is more like a network almost, where the, she's built a network of writers that's content under her flag of sorts.

00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:32.789
Let's, let's guest writers write underneath her stuff.

00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:32.940
Okay.

00:35:33.030 --> 00:35:38.309
Um, and I, we had, when we were in California this last week, we actually ended up up having dinner together as families.

00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:38.849
Oh, cool.

00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:39.809
Really nice people.

00:35:39.809 --> 00:35:42.150
And we just had a, it was a great conversation.

00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:44.280
I think, you know, she's, she did not.

00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:48.269
She doesn't come by politics as her first choice.

00:35:48.269 --> 00:35:52.590
So politics to her is sort of like this interesting sidebar.

00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:55.289
It was like a side quest for what she normally was doing.

00:35:55.289 --> 00:35:57.030
She's do normally doing like criminal trials.

00:35:57.210 --> 00:35:57.659
Oh, interesting.

00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:01.500
So she, you know, followed the Johnny Depp trial and the Epstein file trial and the

00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:04.170
investigative investigative reporter

00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:04.829
return.

00:36:04.829 --> 00:36:04.889
Yeah.

00:36:04.889 --> 00:36:06.074
And she's very good political

00:36:06.074 --> 00:36:06.355
analyst

00:36:06.355 --> 00:36:07.679
almost, and she's very good at that.

00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:10.679
But in the middle of that, she's like, I'm really fascinated by politics.

00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.329
It's an Amer, it's a crazy story.

00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:13.860
I'm really fascinated by Kennedy.

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:15.449
I'm fascinated by Trump.

00:36:15.449 --> 00:36:17.489
I'm fascinated by Biden at the time.

00:36:17.489 --> 00:36:25.769
And she really kind of threw it out to all of them and said, Hey, would anybody be interested in me kind of coming to your events and writing about'em and trying to do media stuff.

00:36:25.769 --> 00:36:26.579
I'd like to do that.

00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:29.579
Kennedy was the only one that let her in at first.

00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.119
Then Trump did, uh, Harris and Biden both rejected her.

00:36:33.210 --> 00:36:33.809
Her Sure.

00:36:33.929 --> 00:36:36.300
Uh, sort of, I don't know.

00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:36.780
But she's a

00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:37.199
inquiry.

00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:37.349
Yeah,

00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:39.539
she's is a very interesting person.

00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:42.630
She's in, she's part of the Women's march.

00:36:43.340 --> 00:36:45.530
The pussy hat march kind of thing.

00:36:46.309 --> 00:36:50.329
So she's like a, she's a Californian suburban woman.

00:36:50.329 --> 00:36:50.719
Yeah.

00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:50.730
Yeah.

00:36:50.750 --> 00:36:54.500
She meets all the demographic values of someone who would be a liberal.

00:36:54.530 --> 00:36:54.769
Sure.

00:36:54.769 --> 00:36:59.960
She would say, have said herself as a self proclaim, proclaimed liberal 10 years ago.

00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:00.409
Right.

00:37:00.710 --> 00:37:05.719
But as things have changed and things have moved, she's going, well, my team didn't do anything.

00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:09.349
You know, we got angry, agitated, yelling, but nothing ever changes.

00:37:09.349 --> 00:37:10.369
We don't make any progress.

00:37:10.429 --> 00:37:10.489
Yeah.

00:37:10.489 --> 00:37:11.269
Nothing really happens.

00:37:11.269 --> 00:37:14.329
The country's going down, like, we're seeing immigration issues in California.

00:37:14.329 --> 00:37:16.039
We're seeing these things that are happening to us.

00:37:16.579 --> 00:37:18.050
You aren't solving any of these problems.

00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:20.239
So she started to be curious about all these other things.

00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.519
Kennedy was that sort of gateway, I guess.

00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:22.639
Yeah.

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.070
So she like you, the gateway drug to Trump, I suppose.

00:37:25.099 --> 00:37:25.369
Right?

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.880
Like you, she, she fell into the Maha.

00:37:28.885 --> 00:37:28.974
Yeah.

00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:29.869
Yeah.

00:37:29.900 --> 00:37:30.380
Realm.

00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:31.065
Very much so.

00:37:31.125 --> 00:37:31.820
And, and so,

00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:33.019
but from a different angle, right?

00:37:33.019 --> 00:37:34.610
From a very different, you and I both kind of,

00:37:34.789 --> 00:37:35.030
yeah.

00:37:35.059 --> 00:37:38.000
Conservative, libertarian, kind of long-term perspective.

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.760
Heard from more of that, uh, progressive circle.

00:37:40.789 --> 00:37:41.119
Yeah.

00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:42.170
And liberalism.

00:37:42.170 --> 00:37:42.650
And both

00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:43.639
classic liberalism.

00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:44.480
Classic liberalism.

00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.289
And both people looked at the system and said, it is failing us.

00:37:48.710 --> 00:37:49.940
I think you and I would say that.

00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:50.030
Sure.

00:37:50.090 --> 00:37:51.590
I think she would say that.

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:55.579
And you're trying to find some, some hero in the middle of it to fix it.

00:37:55.789 --> 00:38:03.170
And, you know, you, you can point to'em, try to see if they can do it, and I don't know, she's, I think we all kind of feel an exhaustion.

00:38:03.170 --> 00:38:06.170
I think that's one of the things in the creative stuff, writing about it.

00:38:06.769 --> 00:38:12.380
Both of us kind of lamented like there's an exhaustion around talking about politics because it doesn't feel like you're moving the needle.

00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:12.800
Yeah.

00:38:12.860 --> 00:38:16.639
Um, even though you get your team elected or you do whatever, it's like really frustrating.

00:38:16.730 --> 00:38:18.619
That's kind of been one of my, you know, as.

00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:23.840
Both of us have really come from the same space where we were like so sick of party politics that we were Yeah.

00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:26.989
Throwing our votes away on Gary Johnson and blah, blah, blah.

00:38:27.349 --> 00:38:29.059
Ross Perot going way back or Yep.

00:38:29.150 --> 00:38:29.809
Whatever.

00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:35.449
And like, you get sick of nothing really changing.

00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:36.590
Like that's it.

00:38:36.590 --> 00:38:41.719
Even any excitement that was built around the Maha MAGA movement thing and stuff.

00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:44.719
And you turn the corner and you're like, ah.

00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:48.590
Now here we are basically kind of the same place we were a year ago.

00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:59.360
Well, you know, and, and I know, I know it's happened within the Maha movement, there's, there's a division there of people that were like, they thought that Kennedy was coming, gonna come in and basically undo all of the vaccine stuff and all the, you know.

00:38:59.630 --> 00:38:59.780
Right.

00:38:59.780 --> 00:39:03.065
And he started with food and it just infuriated, you know, half of all the

00:39:03.065 --> 00:39:03.679
vaccine,

00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:04.309
half of it.

00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:05.000
Right.

00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.260
So you, you get this.

00:39:06.710 --> 00:39:11.869
De debate frustration around like, no, I really wanted my issue to move.

00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:17.030
And there weren't a lot of people out there that were like, yes, red number five.

00:39:17.630 --> 00:39:17.840
Right.

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:18.469
We did it

00:39:18.530 --> 00:39:18.860
right.

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:20.630
You know, that wasn't a thing, I think.

00:39:20.630 --> 00:39:21.650
But also RFK is like.

00:39:21.994 --> 00:39:28.025
You know, like 123,000 kids won't die if we get yellow number four out of the food system.

00:39:28.030 --> 00:39:28.179
And,

00:39:28.385 --> 00:39:34.355
and you don't, you know, so I think there's this like sense in politics that you've got to, the creative stuff's been fun.

00:39:34.355 --> 00:39:40.954
I, because it has been, it was really cool to like, okay, well we, we do have some people there that are doing some things.

00:39:40.954 --> 00:39:43.655
I mean, from, from my perspective, Kennedy's doing a good job.

00:39:43.655 --> 00:39:49.054
I think he's there doing what he can to sort of at least disrupt a system that isn't working.

00:39:49.054 --> 00:39:59.795
And, and if you listen to, if you listen to even the people in public health, you know, there's again, that same podcast was listening to it this morning and one of the guys is Doctor and Craig, he's Doc, he's great guy.

00:39:59.885 --> 00:40:06.394
He's totally opposed to RFK as a person, but he's like, but look, they're doing something.

00:40:06.485 --> 00:40:08.735
They're actually getting something done.

00:40:09.094 --> 00:40:09.304
Right.

00:40:09.425 --> 00:40:12.934
We don't think that's the right thing to do, but they're actually getting something done.

00:40:13.295 --> 00:40:14.494
So that should be admired.

00:40:14.494 --> 00:40:15.065
We should like.

00:40:15.594 --> 00:40:18.085
Take a look at that and that that's an honest person.

00:40:18.114 --> 00:40:18.235
Yeah.

00:40:18.235 --> 00:40:19.284
Saying something Totally.

00:40:19.284 --> 00:40:25.315
Which is like, yeah, if something's getting done, I, we don't, I don't wanna talk about Tylenol and Al autism and all these things.

00:40:25.405 --> 00:40:25.525
Right.

00:40:25.530 --> 00:40:28.405
But, but at least, at least they're trying do something.

00:40:28.405 --> 00:40:29.155
They're doing something.

00:40:29.155 --> 00:40:33.594
The ball is the ball's moving down the court, and that is, that will, I don't know.

00:40:33.594 --> 00:40:39.355
We'll see what happens in that, but I think that that creative stuff was so fun over the last couple of years to kind of do it.

00:40:39.414 --> 00:40:42.355
I got to meet all sorts of people that I never thought I would meet.

00:40:42.355 --> 00:40:42.445
Right.

00:40:42.744 --> 00:40:48.054
Got to be at an inauguration I never thought I'd be at, I mean, it was like really, it was really fascinating.

00:40:48.235 --> 00:40:59.635
Is that like, would you like to take more of your time into the creative and inquisitive elements, or would you rather re localize a little bit or, yeah.

00:40:59.664 --> 00:41:00.235
Tell me, I don't know.

00:41:00.295 --> 00:41:05.485
Because you spent years really as a freelance obscure newspaper article writer Yeah.

00:41:05.485 --> 00:41:06.324
And stuff like that.

00:41:06.324 --> 00:41:07.045
A little bit.

00:41:07.195 --> 00:41:08.125
Or not obscure, but

00:41:08.125 --> 00:41:09.295
No, I mean, it was, it

00:41:09.295 --> 00:41:11.050
was marginal comparison to.

00:41:11.704 --> 00:41:12.005
Yeah.

00:41:12.005 --> 00:41:12.875
Or reach, if you will.

00:41:12.905 --> 00:41:13.474
Yeah.

00:41:13.474 --> 00:41:13.954
I don't know.

00:41:13.954 --> 00:41:18.760
It's an interesting, I like if, if people wanted to come and pay me to do that, if you could make money doing

00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:18.880
that,

00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:19.655
that would be cool.

00:41:19.655 --> 00:41:19.715
Yeah.

00:41:19.715 --> 00:41:20.284
It'd be cool.

00:41:20.375 --> 00:41:20.585
Yeah.

00:41:20.795 --> 00:41:25.894
But I also, you know, yeah, I saw the, I see the other side of it too, this gal that we went and had dinner with.

00:41:25.894 --> 00:41:32.675
I look at her life and I'm like, man, it, it's not necessarily greener, you know, the grass isn't necessarily greener.

00:41:32.675 --> 00:41:34.054
She's got a lot of people attacking her.

00:41:34.054 --> 00:41:35.224
She's got a lot of people that are

00:41:35.494 --> 00:41:35.675
Yeah.

00:41:35.735 --> 00:41:41.675
You know, rude and mean and, and awful and think she's a, a Mossad agent.

00:41:41.675 --> 00:41:43.474
I mean, it's like crazy stuff, right.

00:41:43.474 --> 00:41:52.054
That just happens within that, that happens within the world of politics and, and sadly, the government's been so dishonest for so long that no one really.

00:41:52.670 --> 00:41:53.449
Trust anything.

00:41:53.900 --> 00:41:56.360
And so everything can become a conspiracy overnight.

00:41:56.420 --> 00:41:56.719
Yeah.

00:41:56.809 --> 00:42:00.650
You know, Israel could kill Charlie Kirk or whatever it is.

00:42:00.650 --> 00:42:00.800
Right?

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:01.625
Because do you think they did?

00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:03.199
I don't think so.

00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:06.920
I think that one's probably the most, what's evident is what's probably happened.

00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:18.769
It's not, you know, we, I was talking with Jessica again on this thing, this house inhabit person, and she, she said, you know, I went to Utah to look at this place'cause I'm doing investigative reporting.

00:42:18.769 --> 00:42:20.179
I want, I wanna go to the trial.

00:42:20.179 --> 00:42:22.610
I wanna like chase this down.

00:42:23.494 --> 00:42:32.525
And she said Turning Point uses drones with 0.5 lenses, so that makes, look, everything look huge, but when you're really there, she's like, it's a small venue and

00:42:32.764 --> 00:42:33.125
Right.

00:42:33.125 --> 00:42:34.655
The shot wasn't that hard.

00:42:34.655 --> 00:42:40.835
And like there's a pretty close by number of things that like he can jump right off and on the roof and so does it.

00:42:41.045 --> 00:42:43.414
Is it, are there suspicions about it?

00:42:43.414 --> 00:42:43.594
Well, would

00:42:43.594 --> 00:42:44.315
Mosad know that?

00:42:44.465 --> 00:42:44.795
Yeah.

00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:45.050
Yeah,

00:42:45.244 --> 00:42:45.815
probably.

00:42:46.864 --> 00:42:47.769
And, and I, you know, I, I

00:42:47.769 --> 00:42:48.690
don't dunno, I'm not here to plant

00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.369
Israels.

00:42:49.369 --> 00:42:49.489
I know.

00:42:49.489 --> 00:42:49.954
I, but you could.

00:42:49.954 --> 00:42:50.945
I mean, you, you can.

00:42:50.945 --> 00:42:54.454
That's where I can see where people get to all of these places Right.

00:42:54.454 --> 00:42:57.605
As quickly as they do because the government has been so dishonest.

00:42:57.605 --> 00:42:57.755
Right.

00:42:57.755 --> 00:42:58.985
We still don't know what happened to John F.

00:42:58.985 --> 00:42:59.195
Kennedy.

00:42:59.644 --> 00:43:01.175
We still don't know.

00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:02.480
Really what happened?

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.900
Have you been watching, uh, Jesse Wellis at all?

00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:06.800
Uh, he see

00:43:07.369 --> 00:43:07.469
the night.

00:43:07.469 --> 00:43:08.179
He's Instagram.

00:43:08.184 --> 00:43:08.465
Yeah.

00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:08.630
Yeah.

00:43:08.659 --> 00:43:10.224
Like he'll write a song about it and like Yeah,

00:43:10.224 --> 00:43:10.489
yeah, yeah.

00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.980
Two days after it hits the headlines kind of thing.

00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:15.139
He's got a new one on, on Venezuela.

00:43:15.289 --> 00:43:15.500
Yep.

00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:15.829
You know what?

00:43:15.829 --> 00:43:22.519
It doesn't come from Venezuela, cocaine, our Fentanyl, uh, but we sure blow up these boats with kinetic strikes and

00:43:23.900 --> 00:43:26.539
it's, it's, uh, I don't know.

00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:32.630
You know, it's fascinating to think about all the people and you, and you just watch it boy, like you just watch.

00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:47.929
I'm not terribly interested in doing what everyone else does in order to make money on that deal, which is, if you really look at some of the, the podcasters that are really out there doing things that are trying to make money, they just say bombastic things from their basement and

00:43:47.929 --> 00:43:48.289
Right.

00:43:48.619 --> 00:43:50.030
And clickbait stuff, whatever.

00:43:50.054 --> 00:43:50.344
Yeah.

00:43:50.349 --> 00:43:50.389
Yeah.

00:43:50.389 --> 00:43:51.139
It's very.

00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:51.679
And it's

00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.000
all, that was what I asked that Mossad question for is just to get to intrigue, see if we can Yeah.

00:43:56.630 --> 00:43:57.139
Assassination.

00:43:57.139 --> 00:43:57.230
Use

00:43:57.230 --> 00:43:58.130
that clap flower.

00:43:59.750 --> 00:44:03.769
Uh, it's, I, I, I do think it would be fun to do more creative stuff.

00:44:04.010 --> 00:44:18.110
I did one, uh, one thing that I actually have really was really proud of in the last little bit was I did interview a mom whose daughter had been kind of gone through a regression in her health from the age, you know, zero to two.

00:44:18.110 --> 00:44:23.480
She's just a normal baby, normal toddler, and then gets sick and.

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:28.519
And they, they end up prescribing a bunch of stuff for her, and she comes out with a brain injury.

00:44:29.210 --> 00:44:33.289
They, the doctors diagnosed it as autism, which is not Right.

00:44:33.295 --> 00:44:33.585
Right.

00:44:33.614 --> 00:44:34.820
Like it's not autism.

00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:34.909
Right.

00:44:34.909 --> 00:44:38.210
It's a brain injury caused by something medical, a medical intervention.

00:44:38.210 --> 00:44:38.269
Yeah.

00:44:38.809 --> 00:44:43.760
And they, and so I got to tell her story and that one was really touching and really cool.

00:44:44.030 --> 00:44:44.239
Um,

00:44:44.269 --> 00:44:47.840
isn't James Merkley I saw a bunch of social media stuff.

00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:53.659
He's doing some kind of a mini documentary on a one shot kind of thing or something too, but that's a different thing.

00:44:53.690 --> 00:44:53.900
Yeah.

00:44:53.900 --> 00:44:54.289
I don't know.

00:44:54.289 --> 00:44:54.710
I haven't seen that.

00:44:54.710 --> 00:44:54.860
You should

00:44:54.860 --> 00:44:55.610
check in with him on that.

00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:56.300
Yeah, I should.

00:44:56.389 --> 00:45:00.949
No, it's, it's, it's really that was, that's the stuff I'd like to spend time on.

00:45:00.949 --> 00:45:08.480
I just went out to Sacramento not too long ago to interview four ladies who had been, I, uh, who had been injured by Botox now.

00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:08.690
Oh,

00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:09.320
interesting.

00:45:09.409 --> 00:45:11.360
So like maybe their own choice.

00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:12.349
Yeah, maybe their own.

00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:13.940
They signed up for it,

00:45:13.940 --> 00:45:14.000
like they signed up for it.

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.170
But that still doesn't mean you want.

00:45:15.485 --> 00:45:15.784
Yeah.

00:45:15.784 --> 00:45:18.635
And, and they're, they're going, well, we really didn't understand it.

00:45:18.635 --> 00:45:22.144
It's not really informed consent because of the way that that, that it's presented to us.

00:45:22.175 --> 00:45:22.505
Yeah.

00:45:22.744 --> 00:45:25.985
And it's presented as safe and effective, and we all know that story.

00:45:26.105 --> 00:45:29.105
And so I'm, that one's gonna be really interesting working on that one right now.

00:45:29.105 --> 00:45:36.425
And I'm really fascinated by those kinds of stories are more interesting to me than, you know, whether or not anybody's moving the needle in Washington.

00:45:36.545 --> 00:45:44.914
I wonder if there's a place to, um, because I know in your past life you've been like singer, songwriter, creative space as well.

00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:45.250
Mm-hmm.

00:45:45.329 --> 00:45:49.655
As like podcaster and writer and muse and whatnot.

00:45:49.655 --> 00:45:53.764
You could do like cool songs about medical.

00:45:54.329 --> 00:45:55.050
Tragedies.

00:45:55.565 --> 00:45:57.570
I dunno, I haven't thought of that.

00:45:57.630 --> 00:45:58.409
Botox.

00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:03.809
Like, it's not just your Botox, it might just make your lips fall off.

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:05.394
I don't know.

00:46:05.489 --> 00:46:07.230
I felt so sorry for these ladies.

00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:09.360
Like they're like paralyzed for years.

00:46:09.389 --> 00:46:09.480
Oh

00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:09.840
damn.

00:46:10.050 --> 00:46:11.579
Like their legs are paralyzed.

00:46:11.610 --> 00:46:12.210
Oh no shit.

00:46:12.269 --> 00:46:15.360
Yeah, because it does, that's what it is really is a, is a tranquilizer.

00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:15.809
It's the most,

00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:17.159
it's a paralytic kind of thing, right?

00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:17.250
A

00:46:17.250 --> 00:46:17.789
nerve.

00:46:17.789 --> 00:46:20.610
Bo Botox is the most toxic substance on earth.

00:46:21.449 --> 00:46:23.130
Like that's botulism.

00:46:23.130 --> 00:46:23.579
Yeah.

00:46:23.585 --> 00:46:23.594
Yeah.

00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:23.639
Is

00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:25.469
like the most toxic substance on earth.

00:46:25.469 --> 00:46:26.820
It's a little, so put it in your lips.

00:46:27.329 --> 00:46:30.389
Like there's some things there that you're like, why did you do that?

00:46:30.389 --> 00:46:30.630
How did

00:46:30.630 --> 00:46:31.650
this get to be a trend?

00:46:31.889 --> 00:46:33.659
But also there's millions of people doing it.

00:46:34.489 --> 00:46:39.260
So, um, because we're doing a quick turn on here, that was how I drifted into you.

00:46:39.260 --> 00:46:40.400
See how that transition there

00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:40.610
looks good?

00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:41.269
The music thing,

00:46:42.050 --> 00:46:43.340
do you have a show coming up?

00:46:43.340 --> 00:46:44.690
I do a reunion show.

00:46:45.019 --> 00:46:45.650
Yeah.

00:46:45.650 --> 00:46:47.030
This is like, gonna be really fun.

00:46:47.030 --> 00:46:49.275
So my, my,

00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:51.530
and we'll drop a link in the, in the show now.

00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:51.769
It's

00:46:51.829 --> 00:46:54.170
my, my cousin and I are both the same age.

00:46:54.170 --> 00:46:55.789
Luke, I've talked about him a lot on the podcast.

00:46:55.789 --> 00:46:57.559
Luke and I are, we're the same age.

00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.289
We were born, you know, four months apart, or five months apart.

00:47:00.949 --> 00:47:04.579
So his birthday was in February and he had his 50th birthday.

00:47:04.730 --> 00:47:06.380
This is my, our 50th birthday was this year.

00:47:06.380 --> 00:47:13.250
So we went to his birthday party and it was really fun and we walked out and my wife said, is that what you'd like to do for your birthday?

00:47:13.250 --> 00:47:14.329
And I said, hell no.

00:47:14.704 --> 00:47:15.965
I don't want anything like that.

00:47:16.114 --> 00:47:17.795
I don't have no interest in this.

00:47:17.795 --> 00:47:19.715
Like it's not what I'm after.

00:47:20.375 --> 00:47:21.545
And she said, well, what do you wanna do?

00:47:21.545 --> 00:47:25.355
And so we, we just, I just tend and hawed about it all the way up till my birthday, which was in July.

00:47:25.864 --> 00:47:27.125
And then we didn't really do anything.

00:47:27.125 --> 00:47:31.534
We went to some friends to Wyoming and watched a rodeo and it was kind of like, yeah, it was good.

00:47:31.534 --> 00:47:32.675
It was a really nice time.

00:47:32.675 --> 00:47:34.565
Like I loved being with my friends.

00:47:34.565 --> 00:47:36.065
It was, they're my closest friends.

00:47:36.065 --> 00:47:37.144
It was all just excellent.

00:47:37.144 --> 00:47:37.505
Yeah.

00:47:37.505 --> 00:47:38.224
But it's not really

00:47:38.224 --> 00:47:38.344
enough.

00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:38.940
Enough

00:47:38.945 --> 00:47:39.815
for a 50th birthday

00:47:39.815 --> 00:47:42.994
wasn't rah and Anna kept saying, well, do you wanna do something else?

00:47:42.994 --> 00:47:43.114
'cause you're

00:47:43.114 --> 00:47:44.224
at least half dead by now.

00:47:44.224 --> 00:47:44.675
Most likely

00:47:44.675 --> 00:47:46.025
More than half dead at this point.

00:47:46.025 --> 00:47:46.085
Yeah.

00:47:46.474 --> 00:47:46.804
But.

00:47:47.135 --> 00:47:57.605
I decided at the same time, I was reminded that one of the albums that I had worked on, which was a very favorite album of mine, was also, we released it 25 years ago in August.

00:47:57.844 --> 00:47:58.264
That's cool.

00:47:58.534 --> 00:48:07.114
And so I was kind of going back through that and I was like, you know, it'd be really fun to just play these again with a band and do it in front of people and try again.

00:48:07.150 --> 00:48:07.630
Do that.

00:48:07.630 --> 00:48:10.630
And so I asked Anna if we, you know, what would you think about that?

00:48:10.630 --> 00:48:12.039
She said, oh, I think that's a really great idea.

00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.909
So we ended up renting the Rialto in Loveland for November 20th.

00:48:15.909 --> 00:48:17.050
So a couple weeks from now.

00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:17.349
Yep.

00:48:17.710 --> 00:48:21.400
And, um, tickets, we're selling tickets like a regular show.

00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:22.329
We'll have t-shirts.

00:48:22.329 --> 00:48:24.880
We have, it's got the whole thing, you know, apparel.

00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:25.179
What's the band

00:48:25.179 --> 00:48:25.480
name?

00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:31.570
It's called Moscow, which was really maybe a poor choice of a band named, I mean, I have no

00:48:31.570 --> 00:48:32.590
idea what it means.

00:48:32.590 --> 00:48:37.644
Or in the psal, it's, if you, if you read Thesal Oh, sometimes it'll say, yeah, it's like a Moscow,

00:48:37.644 --> 00:48:40.269
it's, it's a little sonet or a little, uh, rhyming.

00:48:40.630 --> 00:48:40.960
Yeah.

00:48:41.500 --> 00:48:43.269
Almost like a haiku, but different, right?

00:48:43.269 --> 00:48:43.480
Yeah.

00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:43.965
It's, it's of a skill

00:48:44.144 --> 00:48:44.485
of David.

00:48:44.675 --> 00:48:50.440
It's a skill of David and it, uh, uh, and it really was, it meant contemplative.

00:48:50.530 --> 00:48:52.960
So it was like the contemplative thought.

00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:53.170
Yeah.

00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:54.489
Or contemplative psalm

00:48:55.030 --> 00:48:57.400
instead of, some of his psalms are very declarative.

00:48:57.550 --> 00:48:57.849
Right.

00:48:57.909 --> 00:49:01.000
So this was like, I'm wondering about who God is or what this is.

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:06.099
So it sort of fit, if you're like, really on the inside of baseball in terms of the Bible

00:49:06.099 --> 00:49:06.460
study.

00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.380
Divinity for a couple years or something

00:49:08.380 --> 00:49:09.280
like that, which I had been at the time.

00:49:09.670 --> 00:49:21.969
So it was, you know, it all made sense but it, but the problem with the name always ended up that we were in Battle of the Bands, but we were always in like heavy metal Battle of the bands because they would read our Neil and they would think it was Mass Kill.

00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:26.050
And so then we were with like son of Slam and Crutch and all these other bands.

00:49:26.050 --> 00:49:26.324
You should have been

00:49:26.324 --> 00:49:28.659
competing against things like a Brothers Fountain and stuff like

00:49:28.929 --> 00:49:29.019
that.

00:49:29.019 --> 00:49:30.405
The hippy campfires.

00:49:30.525 --> 00:49:36.579
I was in the hippie campfire stuff, but it wasn't that We were always like, and all the heavy metal guys would be like, you guys are really good, but.

00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:38.239
Like, why are you here?

00:49:40.969 --> 00:49:41.389
So,

00:49:41.389 --> 00:49:49.130
so all that to say, so in, in order to avoid a battle of the bands, we go, we went ahead and rented the Rialto out and we'd, man, it'd be really fun to try to, we're about halfway sold out.

00:49:49.190 --> 00:49:49.460
Yeah,

00:49:49.460 --> 00:49:49.639
cool.

00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:53.000
So it would be awesome if we could get it filled, you know, I'd love it.

00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.699
And it's all original music, so everything we're doing is originals.

00:49:55.699 --> 00:49:57.440
It's all stuff that I've written or Anna has written.

00:49:57.619 --> 00:49:58.670
Is it a Saturday or Sunday night?

00:49:58.699 --> 00:49:59.565
It's a Thursday night, actually.

00:49:59.684 --> 00:49:59.844
Thursday night.

00:49:59.875 --> 00:50:00.164
Okay.

00:50:00.164 --> 00:50:01.550
So it's, try to just try to get people,

00:50:01.550 --> 00:50:04.730
when this comes out, you're gonna have like five days left to get your tickets, but,

00:50:04.849 --> 00:50:05.565
but yeah, hopefully

00:50:05.565 --> 00:50:07.309
they'll sell em until Wednesday afternoon probably.

00:50:07.309 --> 00:50:07.760
Yeah, exactly.

00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:09.980
Hopefully people can get'em and they'll

00:50:09.980 --> 00:50:10.670
show up at the door.

00:50:10.820 --> 00:50:12.684
You probably could show up at the door probably.

00:50:12.684 --> 00:50:13.244
You probably show up at the door.

00:50:13.789 --> 00:50:16.130
I don't know that we're gonna sell out, but it's been really fun to talk.

00:50:16.130 --> 00:50:16.400
It's totally,

00:50:16.610 --> 00:50:16.820
yeah.

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:17.840
And it'll be, it'll be great.

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.340
And I told Anna from the beginning, I was like, look, if there were three people there and it's just our kids,

00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:22.610
yeah,

00:50:22.670 --> 00:50:23.329
it'd be really cool.

00:50:23.329 --> 00:50:23.389
So.

00:50:23.420 --> 00:50:24.454
Well, and what's cool is like.

00:50:25.130 --> 00:50:32.000
We listened to some of those songs a few weeks ago when, when you were kicking my ass at Moy and your first time ever playing Moy.

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.300
Um, and so they'll be familiar to me even.

00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.519
Yeah, well it was, it's been, it was cool.

00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:43.039
It'll be a great like, um, kind of reminiscing as we go, going back through the songs.

00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.980
I'm like, oh, I didn't know that I was this good of a guitar player back then.

00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.369
Uh, I guess I played all the time, but also just been really cool to remember all the stories and the times on the road and the different things we were doing.

00:50:52.369 --> 00:50:52.969
It was really cool.

00:50:53.929 --> 00:50:57.530
Any chance of bringing out a next album on it or anything like that, would you?

00:50:57.530 --> 00:50:59.630
Well, I think we're gonna do it as a live thing.

00:50:59.630 --> 00:51:10.099
So we'll take the, we'll take the stuff off the, off the board from the Rialto and I, I've got a young guy that I work with often on, on stuff, and he's gonna do some video stuff and then we'll, we'll mix down an album and see if, if there's anything there.

00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:10.429
So

00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:11.000
Reunion tour.

00:51:11.215 --> 00:51:11.719
I, yeah.

00:51:12.230 --> 00:51:13.579
Um, I'm gonna call a short break.

00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.739
I know we've only got like 30 minutes left.

00:51:15.769 --> 00:51:16.070
Yeah, that's great.

00:51:16.070 --> 00:51:18.440
On, uh, before you gotta go rehearse for my feel.

00:51:19.755 --> 00:51:19.974
Get

00:51:20.644 --> 00:51:20.934
here.

00:51:22.489 --> 00:51:23.119
Break time.

00:51:23.269 --> 00:51:23.659
Break time.

00:52:13.887 --> 00:52:16.168
Um, we promised a real estate update.

00:52:16.318 --> 00:52:16.648
Yeah.

00:52:17.007 --> 00:52:18.268
Um, what's going on in.

00:52:18.867 --> 00:52:23.757
Real estate market, just higher prices and less inventory or what's going on with water?

00:52:23.757 --> 00:52:23.878
Yeah.

00:52:23.878 --> 00:52:25.137
Gimme some, gimme some nuggies.

00:52:25.378 --> 00:52:25.737
Yeah.

00:52:25.947 --> 00:52:31.617
Um, so interest rates have been on the decline, which is good.

00:52:31.858 --> 00:52:35.577
They're still six ish, depending on

00:52:35.577 --> 00:52:36.538
for a 30.

00:52:36.628 --> 00:52:37.197
For 30,

00:52:37.288 --> 00:52:37.557
okay.

00:52:37.557 --> 00:52:38.782
It's not crazy, you know,

00:52:38.782 --> 00:52:46.288
so you can get in the low fives if you're willing to take an arm, but you probably shouldn't because that assumes that our government will get control of inflation in the next 10 years.

00:52:46.288 --> 00:52:46.947
Which is unlikely.

00:52:46.947 --> 00:52:47.518
It's unlikely.

00:52:47.818 --> 00:52:48.657
Uh, yeah.

00:52:48.657 --> 00:52:51.597
I mean, you could, there's some programs that are actually the weirdest one.

00:52:51.597 --> 00:52:55.588
That's the most, the most, the lowest rate is actually jumbos, which is crazy to me.

00:52:55.648 --> 00:52:55.737
But

00:52:55.737 --> 00:52:55.918
what,

00:52:56.307 --> 00:52:59.128
yeah, jumbos are up in the, they're in the fives, which is,

00:52:59.577 --> 00:53:02.757
well, the elitist must, should get lower financing rates.

00:53:02.757 --> 00:53:03.418
See what I mean?

00:53:03.418 --> 00:53:07.108
Like, it's just really one of those moments where you're like, this doesn't work.

00:53:07.512 --> 00:53:09.583
No, it, it is just not right.

00:53:09.793 --> 00:53:10.123
Like

00:53:10.152 --> 00:53:14.293
yes, even if it does work, even if the market says it's right, it shouldn't be,

00:53:14.293 --> 00:53:15.612
it shouldn't be that, right?

00:53:15.612 --> 00:53:16.152
It just shouldn't.

00:53:16.152 --> 00:53:19.422
So anyway, that's kind of an interesting thing that's of lay to,

00:53:19.422 --> 00:53:22.333
so then what do you have to borrow to have a jumbo now?

00:53:23.202 --> 00:53:28.422
Uh, it depends on where you're at, but like, um, anything over pretty much anything.

00:53:28.422 --> 00:53:31.873
If you're borrowing more than 700, okay, you'll be in the jumbo category.

00:53:31.873 --> 00:53:32.443
So you heard it here.

00:53:32.443 --> 00:53:39.913
Kids, uh, just try to do 90% financing in an$800,000 home if it as your first time buyer and you get better rates.

00:53:40.512 --> 00:53:40.932
It's

00:53:40.992 --> 00:53:42.072
not, I dunno, that's what I heard.

00:53:42.402 --> 00:53:43.603
It's not quite accurate.

00:53:43.608 --> 00:53:43.907
You're right.

00:53:44.143 --> 00:53:44.682
You're actually

00:53:44.682 --> 00:53:45.612
share it with another family.

00:53:45.612 --> 00:53:45.943
I mean, it

00:53:45.943 --> 00:53:46.152
really

00:53:46.152 --> 00:53:52.333
just going on a jumbo with another family and live out at Harmony Club instead of down in Brown's.

00:53:52.422 --> 00:53:52.782
Yeah.

00:53:52.813 --> 00:53:54.313
Uh, village,

00:53:54.318 --> 00:53:55.362
it's, it's so really interesting.

00:53:55.362 --> 00:53:57.043
So a lot of things are happening in real estate.

00:53:57.043 --> 00:54:03.853
One thing that's, there's always this trend within Fort Collins of where, uh, what's the most popular place?

00:54:03.882 --> 00:54:07.543
And it kind of moves around a lot, you know, like for a long time.

00:54:08.052 --> 00:54:17.143
And Old Town still sort of remains popular, but you, you have all of these other little neighborhoods and for a while, you know, the west side of Fort Collins was kind of like, we wanna live on the east side of Fort Collins.

00:54:17.143 --> 00:54:19.307
We want Nelson Collins Park, these interstate, stuff

00:54:19.307 --> 00:54:19.632
like that.

00:54:19.632 --> 00:54:19.873
Right.

00:54:20.143 --> 00:54:24.402
But we're seeing a lot more people that are more fascinated by the west side of town now.

00:54:24.463 --> 00:54:24.702
Okay.

00:54:25.213 --> 00:54:27.432
So places like Brown's farm and, um.

00:54:27.807 --> 00:54:30.958
Miller Brothers and the sort of west side of town is

00:54:31.018 --> 00:54:31.197
Yeah.

00:54:31.228 --> 00:54:32.097
Really popular.

00:54:32.188 --> 00:54:33.418
Even the West Vine bungalows

00:54:33.532 --> 00:54:36.418
from back in the day, west bungalows from the day are super popular.

00:54:36.418 --> 00:54:40.023
So those are like that millennial access to the mountains.

00:54:40.027 --> 00:54:40.168
Yeah.

00:54:40.168 --> 00:54:41.157
It's really what it is.

00:54:41.157 --> 00:54:41.168
Yeah.

00:54:41.248 --> 00:54:44.427
The millennials are really like, they, they've moved here to live in the mountains.

00:54:44.427 --> 00:54:44.967
That's what they want.

00:54:45.327 --> 00:54:47.728
So that's kind of what is, uh, transpiring.

00:54:47.728 --> 00:54:47.878
If

00:54:47.878 --> 00:54:50.458
they work in Denver, it's hybrid three days a week at least.

00:54:50.458 --> 00:54:51.297
And so that, yeah.

00:54:51.297 --> 00:54:54.447
Extra 15 minutes or 20 minutes to get to the interstate isn't that big a deal.

00:54:54.447 --> 00:54:55.228
It's not that big a deal.

00:54:55.228 --> 00:55:03.177
And I think more than, more than anything, what you're seeing in Fort Collins in terms of the people that are actually living in Fort Collins, a lot more laptop class people anyway.

00:55:03.297 --> 00:55:03.418
Yeah.

00:55:03.418 --> 00:55:05.157
You know, people are working from home, doing whatever.

00:55:05.547 --> 00:55:10.588
Um, the government stuff, uh, were just getting back to getting back to the office.

00:55:10.588 --> 00:55:15.867
I mean, that was just this year, so you'd had four or five years of pretty much everybody could work from home.

00:55:16.197 --> 00:55:16.527
Yeah.

00:55:16.527 --> 00:55:21.748
And if again, Fort Collins, 50% of it's government related work, uh, in town.

00:55:21.748 --> 00:55:23.157
And so, um,

00:55:23.338 --> 00:55:23.878
that much,

00:55:23.938 --> 00:55:24.088
yeah.

00:55:24.793 --> 00:55:25.242
For real.

00:55:25.273 --> 00:55:25.873
For real.

00:55:26.023 --> 00:55:26.353
Yeah.

00:55:26.353 --> 00:55:27.733
I mean, you have more than, almost more

00:55:27.733 --> 00:55:28.782
if you're including things like

00:55:29.682 --> 00:55:31.273
C-S-U-C-S-U-P, puter School District.

00:55:31.273 --> 00:55:31.422
Right.

00:55:31.422 --> 00:55:35.353
U-S-D-A-C-D-C, medical, uh, medical is all hospitals.

00:55:35.358 --> 00:55:36.077
You call that hospitals.

00:55:36.193 --> 00:55:37.782
I would put them in the governmental class.

00:55:37.782 --> 00:55:37.842
Yeah.

00:55:38.143 --> 00:55:43.722
Um, so anyway, if you add all that up, it's probably more than 50% of the workforce now works for the government.

00:55:44.023 --> 00:55:44.652
Fort Collins.

00:55:45.822 --> 00:55:50.503
You know, whether that's here or there, I mean, it's a stable thing for the most part, most of the time.

00:55:51.402 --> 00:55:51.943
Is that, um,

00:55:52.362 --> 00:56:00.757
like this is a little bit nefarious, but would like to,'cause Fort Collins has always been a kind of a cultural leader, kind of a town Yeah.

00:56:00.943 --> 00:56:02.802
Because of CSU and other things.

00:56:02.802 --> 00:56:02.893
Oh yeah.

00:56:03.583 --> 00:56:04.842
Would, would there be.

00:56:06.088 --> 00:56:16.858
Like, would people intentionally build up like the federal employment level and that kind of thing, just to be able to influence a town that influences other towns and stuff?

00:56:16.858 --> 00:56:17.427
Like is that,

00:56:17.847 --> 00:56:18.327
well, I think

00:56:18.327 --> 00:56:22.617
it's, or is it is, does it get the money because it's a cool town already and stuff?

00:56:22.708 --> 00:56:22.797
Or is?

00:56:22.797 --> 00:56:27.657
Well, I think what you find is, and this was happening in the tech sector too back in the day, Fort Collin's a great place to live.

00:56:27.657 --> 00:56:32.757
So what you're looking for is employees and if you can offer employees a place to live.

00:56:33.413 --> 00:56:34.943
As a part of their package.

00:56:34.947 --> 00:56:35.248
Right.

00:56:35.393 --> 00:56:35.632
Right.

00:56:35.632 --> 00:56:39.472
Well we have a, we have an office here in the very town you love'cause you just went to school here.

00:56:39.893 --> 00:56:39.992
Right, right.

00:56:40.463 --> 00:56:45.443
That tends to at least bring down overall costs and pay and that's what was happening in the tech sector.

00:56:45.713 --> 00:56:48.023
I think that's generally too true in government.

00:56:48.023 --> 00:56:56.182
Although that's changed in government too, because everybody's on a standardized CPI index and you know, there's not, you don't get to, they don't operate like the, they get raise private.

00:56:56.242 --> 00:56:56.512
Right.

00:56:57.233 --> 00:56:57.563
Yeah.

00:56:58.103 --> 00:56:58.402
Okay.

00:56:58.402 --> 00:56:59.123
You were continuing.

00:56:59.123 --> 00:57:04.882
But I think, um, that has had an impact in terms of just demand in Fort Collins.

00:57:04.882 --> 00:57:08.663
It's just, it's, you know, you, you always have some, a base of demand.

00:57:08.753 --> 00:57:09.052
Yeah.

00:57:09.143 --> 00:57:12.353
Where people are employed gainfully, they have kind of future or

00:57:12.353 --> 00:57:13.012
government job.

00:57:13.103 --> 00:57:13.672
Government job.

00:57:13.793 --> 00:57:14.092
Yeah.

00:57:14.722 --> 00:57:15.952
Oh, those weren't two different things.

00:57:15.952 --> 00:57:16.132
Oh, those

00:57:16.132 --> 00:57:16.222
are

00:57:16.222 --> 00:57:16.672
two different

00:57:16.672 --> 00:57:16.793
things.

00:57:16.793 --> 00:57:17.003
Sorry

00:57:18.532 --> 00:57:19.882
to all your government workers out there.

00:57:19.882 --> 00:57:20.572
I apologize.

00:57:20.572 --> 00:57:21.052
That was a.

00:57:22.242 --> 00:57:22.992
Inappropriate Chuck.

00:57:22.992 --> 00:57:26.682
I know some of you actually are gainfully employed at least 25%.

00:57:27.132 --> 00:57:31.302
They, but I do think that's had a lot of impact on work from home and so that you've had Sure.

00:57:31.543 --> 00:57:35.983
More and more people are like, well, I, I don't have to be accessible to the inner city of the airport.

00:57:36.072 --> 00:57:36.193
I

00:57:36.193 --> 00:57:36.523
can,

00:57:36.612 --> 00:57:38.773
I can actually just do my job, job wherever I wanna live.

00:57:38.773 --> 00:57:40.362
That could be up to Pooter Canyon or whatever.

00:57:40.362 --> 00:57:44.202
So, so I think you're seeing a lot more west side popularity, which is kind of cool.

00:57:44.262 --> 00:57:45.132
Interesting to see.

00:57:45.373 --> 00:57:47.742
That's a different change in my life.

00:57:47.742 --> 00:57:49.063
The west side was always kinda like,

00:57:49.422 --> 00:57:51.253
eh, the ugly, the redhead stepchild.

00:57:51.583 --> 00:57:51.822
Yeah.

00:57:51.822 --> 00:57:52.273
I would say.

00:57:52.483 --> 00:57:55.213
And the lower priced housing, were always up against Foothills, weirdly.

00:57:55.273 --> 00:57:55.603
Yeah.

00:57:55.693 --> 00:57:58.543
Um, that's not the case now, so that's kind of interesting.

00:57:58.543 --> 00:57:58.632
That's

00:57:58.632 --> 00:57:58.842
good.

00:57:59.083 --> 00:58:07.963
Um, I inventory is up in the lower segments, so if you are looking for townhouses, if you're looking for first time home buying stuff, there's a lot more on the market.

00:58:08.052 --> 00:58:08.413
Okay.

00:58:08.623 --> 00:58:09.402
Um, which is good.

00:58:09.643 --> 00:58:11.773
I think that's a good thing to finally see happening.

00:58:11.773 --> 00:58:11.967
Still 500

00:58:11.967 --> 00:58:12.168
grand.

00:58:12.878 --> 00:58:14.378
But your entry point is 500,000.

00:58:15.007 --> 00:58:19.148
Uh, condos are less than that, but HOAs have gotten really crazy'cause of insurance.

00:58:19.148 --> 00:58:24.577
They've gotten really crazy because of a, a number of other things within HOA maintenance that have caused those to be really, your cost

00:58:24.577 --> 00:58:26.347
of occupancy remains similar

00:58:26.347 --> 00:58:26.498
anyway.

00:58:26.498 --> 00:58:26.708
Yeah.

00:58:27.007 --> 00:58:34.597
You know, if you buy 300,000,$350,000 condo, but you're paying$400 a month in HOA fees, that's not uncommon to see right now.

00:58:34.867 --> 00:58:35.018
Yeah.

00:58:35.077 --> 00:58:42.277
So a lot of that's kind of troublesome in the, in that lower end markets'cause HOA fees are counted as your, you know, as part of your payment.

00:58:42.277 --> 00:58:42.367
Sure.

00:58:42.398 --> 00:58:55.838
And so you're not buying as nearly as much and what's available in single family at that price is either needs a lot of fixing or has is old and has a lot of issues in terms of whether that's piping or lead based paint or bad foundations or

00:58:55.838 --> 00:58:56.018
whatever.

00:58:56.018 --> 00:59:02.318
Last time you were here, there, we talked a little about water and like, especially home building over in like severance and

00:59:02.827 --> 00:59:03.157
Yeah.

00:59:03.157 --> 00:59:03.757
Things like that.

00:59:03.757 --> 00:59:07.117
What's the scene and the, and if you know on the whole.

00:59:07.873 --> 00:59:11.322
Cascadia thing with Greeley and drama there.

00:59:11.322 --> 00:59:11.413
Yeah.

00:59:11.413 --> 00:59:14.742
Have you been studying up on, because I imagine it's a big deal for a bunch of people.

00:59:14.833 --> 00:59:15.103
Yeah.

00:59:15.103 --> 00:59:18.913
Well, I mean, everything in the water is so u just, it's fluid.

00:59:18.913 --> 00:59:19.452
What a good joke.

00:59:19.963 --> 00:59:22.873
Um, there's a lot going on with water too.

00:59:23.052 --> 00:59:24.072
So a couple things.

00:59:24.072 --> 00:59:28.063
Water prices is down, so you seeing water prices between 55 and 60,000.

00:59:28.063 --> 00:59:28.333
Oh wow.

00:59:28.362 --> 00:59:29.202
'cause demand isn't there.

00:59:29.202 --> 00:59:29.592
Sure.

00:59:29.862 --> 00:59:33.313
So it's helpful for new construction, um, which is good.

00:59:33.552 --> 00:59:36.463
They're able to put their shares in at a much lower basis.

00:59:36.463 --> 00:59:41.322
We were at 85,000 this time last year, so that's come down pretty significantly.

00:59:41.952 --> 00:59:43.302
30% price reduction is

00:59:43.302 --> 00:59:43.963
meaningful.

00:59:44.023 --> 00:59:44.652
Yeah, it is

00:59:44.652 --> 00:59:45.282
on that part.

00:59:45.463 --> 00:59:46.512
And so that's good.

00:59:46.512 --> 00:59:58.963
I think the, the demand on water remains reasonably high, but the, the interesting thing that's happening with water is that it's so connected to the political process in terms of like development, what's going on.

00:59:59.052 --> 01:00:06.463
Either it's either with new infrastructure like Glade, the other Cascadia, all these other things that going on, or you have.

01:00:06.838 --> 01:00:12.268
Governmental pressures that are so significant that like, they don't want new development, governments don't want new development.

01:00:12.268 --> 01:00:12.657
Right.

01:00:12.838 --> 01:00:13.588
So now you're

01:00:13.588 --> 01:00:15.327
like, because then they have to get a bunch of water to feed

01:00:15.628 --> 01:00:15.717
those

01:00:15.717 --> 01:00:16.108
people

01:00:16.108 --> 01:00:16.253
and water.

01:00:16.253 --> 01:00:16.413
Right.

01:00:16.418 --> 01:00:19.438
And the, so then the water price comes down because you can't get it through the process.

01:00:19.438 --> 01:00:22.077
So there's like, there's no demand for the water because of this.

01:00:22.077 --> 01:00:23.847
You can't get their, your neighborhood done.

01:00:23.938 --> 01:00:24.538
Yeah.

01:00:24.657 --> 01:00:27.268
Um, Northwell Water is finally off their moratorium.

01:00:27.387 --> 01:00:28.347
That was only Okay.

01:00:28.347 --> 01:00:30.478
It took'em three years to get out of their moratorium.

01:00:30.478 --> 01:00:34.108
So, um, that's been interesting to sort of see.

01:00:34.228 --> 01:00:34.677
So they've

01:00:35.213 --> 01:00:37.978
got more water back available in North Weld

01:00:37.978 --> 01:00:45.807
their infrastructure's back to where it's, they solved some of their issues with the dairy stuff that was going on, and they also have a plan for their infrastructure.

01:00:46.378 --> 01:00:46.407
Okay.

01:00:46.407 --> 01:00:50.427
Their infrastructure was pretty deficient, so delivery of water was becoming an issue.

01:00:50.458 --> 01:00:50.728
Gotcha,

01:00:50.733 --> 01:00:51.132
gotcha.

01:00:51.208 --> 01:00:53.818
And Northwell is kind of a, they were.

01:00:54.342 --> 01:00:56.233
I don't wanna say that they were a poorly run district.

01:00:56.233 --> 01:00:56.893
That's not what it is.

01:00:56.893 --> 01:00:58.483
But they were just a, they're a farmer district.

01:00:58.483 --> 01:00:59.018
In turn, they were above

01:00:59.018 --> 01:00:59.563
their heads in

01:00:59.563 --> 01:00:59.922
terms of

01:00:59.922 --> 01:01:00.612
complexity

01:01:00.762 --> 01:01:01.992
and it was really big.

01:01:01.992 --> 01:01:03.853
It's a very, very big service area.

01:01:03.853 --> 01:01:06.313
And they had, you know, to get water where it needs to go.

01:01:06.373 --> 01:01:06.762
Yeah,

01:01:06.822 --> 01:01:08.112
there's a lot of drag in those pipes.

01:01:08.112 --> 01:01:18.012
And so the getting the pressures and at the same time, those pressures that were once good now have changed because fire departments have all said, well, we've got these bigger trucks and we've got more things.

01:01:18.012 --> 01:01:19.813
So you need to have higher fire flows.

01:01:19.813 --> 01:01:21.972
So you can't be in the basin that you used to be in.

01:01:21.972 --> 01:01:23.202
Now we gotta get your infrastructure up.

01:01:23.532 --> 01:01:24.012
There's a lot of.

01:01:24.478 --> 01:01:27.327
C you know, conflicting pressures on Interesting.

01:01:27.327 --> 01:01:27.927
The system.

01:01:28.498 --> 01:01:29.157
Um, I think,

01:01:29.157 --> 01:01:32.217
well some of that hollow, some of the new reservoir expansion really.

01:01:32.217 --> 01:01:32.307
Mm-hmm.

01:01:32.547 --> 01:01:35.998
Helps to aim to address that, moving that water over on the north side of the county, kinda.

01:01:36.027 --> 01:01:36.478
Yeah.

01:01:36.478 --> 01:01:38.788
And I, so, so all that is good.

01:01:38.788 --> 01:01:40.918
It's all, that takes a lot of time.

01:01:40.918 --> 01:01:42.027
It takes a lot of money.

01:01:42.507 --> 01:01:49.108
So you'll, you'll see some of the, those impacts in terms of plan investment fees and, and infrastructure fees that'll come on.

01:01:49.407 --> 01:01:58.407
You still, if you did a cash and lie thing at Northwell, you'd be looking at, for an acreage, you'd be looking at a$130,000 tap with fees and water.

01:01:58.717 --> 01:02:01.478
Now if you can bring your water, you can bring that number down.

01:02:01.478 --> 01:02:03.547
But they're, they're still charging in the eighties.

01:02:03.757 --> 01:02:03.967
Wow.

01:02:03.967 --> 01:02:05.168
For their cash and lie price.

01:02:05.168 --> 01:02:05.257
Okay.

01:02:05.288 --> 01:02:06.217
So, yeah.

01:02:06.487 --> 01:02:15.398
You know, I think the pressures that are gonna come here are going to just continue to do things that I don't know that are, I don't know that it's great for a community.

01:02:15.518 --> 01:02:16.568
It's what it will be.

01:02:16.597 --> 01:02:20.797
Because I think it's, what's the inevitable outcome of sort of the managerial moment we're in?

01:02:20.947 --> 01:02:24.128
Well, and I wanted to get into Nspa a little bit and Yeah.

01:02:24.128 --> 01:02:24.818
Glade.

01:02:25.148 --> 01:02:25.387
Yeah.

01:02:25.387 --> 01:02:30.458
'cause Fort Collins and at least one, maybe two other communities pulled out of that.

01:02:30.518 --> 01:02:30.847
Yes.

01:02:30.847 --> 01:02:33.757
Which is a big part of their juice.

01:02:33.757 --> 01:02:36.367
They need to get the squeeze available.

01:02:36.398 --> 01:02:36.757
Yeah.

01:02:37.568 --> 01:02:37.777
Struggle.

01:02:37.777 --> 01:02:38.858
Is it too much

01:02:38.858 --> 01:02:39.338
risk?

01:02:39.398 --> 01:02:40.688
I just, I don't know.

01:02:40.688 --> 01:02:41.132
I, I, I

01:02:41.137 --> 01:02:41.827
like the cost.

01:02:41.827 --> 01:02:45.128
I saw the cost went up so much from when it was like approved.

01:02:45.277 --> 01:02:45.487
Yeah.

01:02:45.927 --> 01:02:45.987
Yeah.

01:02:45.987 --> 01:02:51.507
The, the, the whole thing I, and I've said it from the beginning of that, is I just don't know that it'll ever get done.

01:02:52.018 --> 01:02:56.277
I mean, I, everybody's moving forward as if it's going to get done and it very well could.

01:02:56.367 --> 01:02:56.757
Yeah.

01:02:56.818 --> 01:03:00.777
But you just, there's too much volatility and it takes so long.

01:03:00.807 --> 01:03:01.047
Yeah.

01:03:01.047 --> 01:03:07.797
That the market, um, you know, and the market to water is municipalities and Totally, that's the customers, that's your customer.

01:03:07.797 --> 01:03:07.887
Right.

01:03:08.398 --> 01:03:14.307
And if, if Fort Collins goes, well, what am I, you know, I'm participating in this so that we can have more growth and more water.

01:03:14.307 --> 01:03:16.197
I don't want more growth, more, I don't want more water.

01:03:16.197 --> 01:03:16.288
Right.

01:03:16.288 --> 01:03:17.818
Why I'm not gonna do this, why would I do it?

01:03:18.088 --> 01:03:18.478
Yeah.

01:03:18.483 --> 01:03:24.117
I don't see the cost benefit, especially if it's, now it's up here and it was down here and I could see some benefit of this, but.

01:03:25.333 --> 01:03:26.893
Like they, they sold connection.

01:03:26.893 --> 01:03:30.402
Like it was a thing to protect the citizens of Fort Collins to be for Collins.

01:03:30.793 --> 01:03:33.793
Well make sure we have enough fucking water.

01:03:33.853 --> 01:03:34.273
I know

01:03:34.452 --> 01:03:44.052
to do stuff like they have this huge department to bring business here, but they've got no lots or resources or utility expansion ability to do it.

01:03:44.202 --> 01:03:48.523
I always feel sorry for the guy that's out doing Ava, which is, you know, just, yeah.

01:03:48.523 --> 01:03:54.943
It's like he's just been stuck in this no man's land for so long and some of it's related to Fort Collins, some of it's related to Elco.

01:03:54.972 --> 01:03:58.152
It's just, he's just stuck and he just can't do anything.

01:03:58.152 --> 01:04:00.012
He's been working on it for more than 10 years.

01:04:00.103 --> 01:04:00.282
Yeah,

01:04:00.523 --> 01:04:01.483
and I, I don't know.

01:04:01.512 --> 01:04:01.693
And he's

01:04:01.813 --> 01:04:02.112
brilliant.

01:04:02.443 --> 01:04:02.893
He's great.

01:04:02.898 --> 01:04:02.998
Yeah.

01:04:03.057 --> 01:04:03.853
My, yeah, he told me

01:04:03.853 --> 01:04:06.072
maybe come January you'd have some good news to report

01:04:06.432 --> 01:04:06.552
on the

01:04:06.552 --> 01:04:07.123
podcast

01:04:07.123 --> 01:04:07.273
here.

01:04:07.273 --> 01:04:08.172
I hope he does.

01:04:08.172 --> 01:04:08.293
I hope he does.

01:04:08.293 --> 01:04:12.913
I mean, I hope he does, but I always think about like, that's just a tough, it's doing development.

01:04:13.092 --> 01:04:19.992
I was just on the phone with my dad on our way in and we were looking at a couple of things and I, he just was like, you know, I just don't know that there's anything to do.

01:04:20.413 --> 01:04:25.753
You know, you either have to have such deep pockets or be leveraged so high with the banks.

01:04:25.782 --> 01:04:26.023
Yeah.

01:04:26.023 --> 01:04:26.742
A quick turn.

01:04:27.132 --> 01:04:29.592
There's just, there's just not enough juice in it.

01:04:29.592 --> 01:04:38.983
And I, and I think all of that has, it's all con, it's finally all sort of coming to its fruition with this idea that you've got, you know, you just have all these complications.

01:04:39.043 --> 01:04:46.782
You've got, you've got water problems, you've got political problems, you've got, uh, inflation problems, you've got demand problems.

01:04:47.112 --> 01:04:51.463
All of this stuff is hitting at the same time and it's making real estate challenging.

01:04:51.463 --> 01:04:56.382
I mean it, great houses still sell great properties and great locations at the right price.

01:04:56.413 --> 01:04:56.503
Right.

01:04:56.503 --> 01:04:57.012
Still selling.

01:04:57.012 --> 01:04:57.583
I could sell my

01:04:57.583 --> 01:04:58.273
house if I wanted

01:04:58.273 --> 01:04:58.362
to.

01:04:58.362 --> 01:04:58.902
Absolutely.

01:04:59.233 --> 01:05:01.902
And, and you could sell it for way more than you paid for it, you know?

01:05:01.902 --> 01:05:02.083
Sure.

01:05:02.353 --> 01:05:05.353
That's just a real num that's a real thing'cause of where you are.

01:05:05.713 --> 01:05:06.463
And it's a great house.

01:05:06.463 --> 01:05:07.182
It's a great location.

01:05:07.932 --> 01:05:11.952
Those that are in the outliers if you're in severance or outlying of in Eaton.

01:05:11.952 --> 01:05:12.012
Yeah.

01:05:12.012 --> 01:05:18.943
Or if you're in, you know, not such a great part of Fort Collins or if you're, you know, someplace in Loveland that isn't as desirable, you're gonna struggle to sell it.

01:05:18.943 --> 01:05:20.952
Or if the house is dated or if there's issues with it.

01:05:21.523 --> 01:05:26.472
And I still think we haven't recovered from people thinking that what the number is is what Zillow tells it is.

01:05:26.833 --> 01:05:30.882
And it's not that it's just, and it moves much faster than Zillow can react.

01:05:31.063 --> 01:05:31.213
Hmm.

01:05:31.483 --> 01:05:36.222
Zillow's turning into more of an appraisal situation than it is like an appraiser's always behind the ball.

01:05:36.222 --> 01:05:36.432
Right.

01:05:36.432 --> 01:05:36.733
Right.

01:05:37.063 --> 01:05:38.052
Zillow's a little bit like that.

01:05:38.052 --> 01:05:42.012
They're not advanced, they're not out advancing what's actually happening within the market.

01:05:42.012 --> 01:05:48.432
They can only respond to what's actually happening the day of, and if something's under contract, they don't know that data.

01:05:48.432 --> 01:05:51.253
If they're, it's just, it's, it's okay.

01:05:51.253 --> 01:05:52.753
It's like, get you close.

01:05:52.842 --> 01:05:53.023
Yeah.

01:05:53.052 --> 01:05:56.922
But unfortunately, they're all much higher than what the numbers in the real market are.

01:05:56.922 --> 01:05:56.983
So.

01:05:59.262 --> 01:06:02.052
We've got like 15 minutes left really, of this show.

01:06:02.293 --> 01:06:09.463
And you know, I've had you on here like five times previous, so we've pulled out all of your crazy experiences out.

01:06:09.492 --> 01:06:09.853
Yes.

01:06:10.032 --> 01:06:12.463
But I'm gonna ask you to get speculative a little bit.

01:06:12.492 --> 01:06:12.552
Okay.

01:06:12.552 --> 01:06:23.623
Like, like you were kind of dire, like probably the most dire I've heard you in terms of your outlook for the future and like what happens from here in some of our lead in times.

01:06:23.623 --> 01:06:26.262
And it wasn't just because the blue wave came crashing.

01:06:26.262 --> 01:06:26.998
No, no, it had nothing to do that.

01:06:27.003 --> 01:06:29.893
It's because even if the blues when it, they can't fix it.

01:06:29.893 --> 01:06:30.793
The reds can't fix it.

01:06:30.793 --> 01:06:34.123
It's just kind of a, a, a broken suck.

01:06:34.123 --> 01:06:35.023
Suck banger.

01:06:35.023 --> 01:06:40.753
Banger that screws poor people in middle class to the benefit of rich people.

01:06:40.753 --> 01:06:45.012
And that's the way the system is and it's never gonna change is kind of the summary of what I heard.

01:06:45.163 --> 01:06:46.302
That's probably a fair summary.

01:06:47.257 --> 01:06:49.932
So, so like.

01:06:50.248 --> 01:06:51.867
It's speculation.

01:06:52.077 --> 01:06:52.407
Yeah.

01:06:52.557 --> 01:06:55.918
Like what, what is that crazy thing?

01:06:55.918 --> 01:07:03.268
Or absent a convention of states where the reds and blues talk it through, like how can we can better get along together?

01:07:03.268 --> 01:07:20.097
That's one been one of my theories is if we just hold it more loosely, really minimize the national scope of operations and increase state taxes, drop national taxes so that, and then do some testing, do some modeling, do some local funding of initiatives.

01:07:20.398 --> 01:07:20.728
Yeah.

01:07:21.177 --> 01:07:21.777
But yeah.

01:07:21.777 --> 01:07:23.697
How, I guess two questions.

01:07:23.697 --> 01:07:33.297
How does that boil down and, and how in, because you're a student and you're, there isn't nobody that's studied systems of political economy more than you That I know.

01:07:34.318 --> 01:07:34.588
Yeah.

01:07:34.588 --> 01:07:40.018
I mean I look, I've got four 20 year olds that live in my house, you know, I mean, basically.

01:07:40.047 --> 01:07:40.318
Yeah.

01:07:40.382 --> 01:07:43.202
And, and there four 20-year-old men.

01:07:43.947 --> 01:07:46.543
Two, or in college two are about to go to college and

01:07:46.543 --> 01:07:50.038
got two eighteens and 19 and a 22 or whatever, 18, 20.

01:07:50.043 --> 01:07:52.858
I got two 20 year olds about to be, oh, there are two 20 ones.

01:07:52.918 --> 01:07:56.338
And, and then I've got an, an, an 18-year-old and 17-year-old right now.

01:07:56.338 --> 01:07:56.518
Yeah.

01:07:56.518 --> 01:07:57.568
But you know, within,

01:07:57.568 --> 01:07:58.018
effectively

01:07:58.228 --> 01:07:58.677
within a moment,

01:07:58.677 --> 01:07:59.728
plus they all grew up together.

01:07:59.728 --> 01:08:03.628
So they're basically all the same age in their minds, except for the older ones that are, think they're older.

01:08:03.987 --> 01:08:08.518
And what I find really interesting is like, you know, we're, we're fine.

01:08:08.577 --> 01:08:09.297
Our family's fine.

01:08:09.297 --> 01:08:12.748
We will be fine, be our, I never wanna be in this

01:08:12.748 --> 01:08:13.302
your, your grandfather and your.

01:08:13.913 --> 01:08:16.193
Uncle and dad created generational wealth.

01:08:16.252 --> 01:08:16.552
Yeah.

01:08:16.552 --> 01:08:17.002
At some level and

01:08:17.002 --> 01:08:17.153
not,

01:08:17.153 --> 01:08:21.143
so, it's not like, it's not a sour grapes conversation for us as a family.

01:08:21.143 --> 01:08:28.582
It's not, it's not what it is, but I feel like I have a, I have a deep responsibility to the people who can't live that way.

01:08:29.033 --> 01:08:29.332
Right.

01:08:29.422 --> 01:08:33.184
I, I just feel that, I've always felt that I've, you've known me for 30 year, 25 years.

01:08:33.207 --> 01:08:33.328
Yeah.

01:08:33.328 --> 01:08:33.768
It's part of our

01:08:33.847 --> 01:08:34.408
affinity to each other

01:08:34.518 --> 01:08:34.807
even.

01:08:34.837 --> 01:08:35.127
Yeah.

01:08:35.332 --> 01:08:36.172
I just feel

01:08:36.172 --> 01:08:40.912
like I was this poor, dumbass banker that left his job and was serving on the board of the Matthews house.

01:08:40.912 --> 01:08:41.243
You know,

01:08:41.393 --> 01:08:50.693
I think, I think it's imperative that people who have something do something for their community.

01:08:50.752 --> 01:08:54.172
So this isn't a conversation around like, oh, wo is us.

01:08:54.233 --> 01:08:54.563
Hmm.

01:08:55.042 --> 01:08:56.153
That's not what this is.

01:08:56.153 --> 01:09:02.243
But I look at our country and I go, there's a whole landscape of 20 year olds and my kids all have their friends over.

01:09:02.302 --> 01:09:02.573
Right.

01:09:02.847 --> 01:09:04.828
They're 20-year-old friends, or they're 18-year-old friends.

01:09:04.828 --> 01:09:05.877
They're 17-year-old friends.

01:09:06.507 --> 01:09:12.747
And I hear them talking and I hear their sort of disparaging of the system.

01:09:12.868 --> 01:09:15.597
They're the, and there's a desperation in their voices.

01:09:15.688 --> 01:09:15.778
Yeah.

01:09:15.778 --> 01:09:24.807
Like, what am I supposed to do as a young male in America, which used to be this kind of like, well, you do whatever you want.

01:09:24.988 --> 01:09:25.167
Right.

01:09:25.167 --> 01:09:25.257
This

01:09:25.257 --> 01:09:26.518
is a big, bright future, you know?

01:09:26.518 --> 01:09:26.698
Yeah.

01:09:26.698 --> 01:09:26.847
Go

01:09:26.847 --> 01:09:27.087
buy a

01:09:27.087 --> 01:09:27.688
convertible

01:09:27.688 --> 01:09:28.047
at a four

01:09:28.047 --> 01:09:28.438
speed

01:09:28.438 --> 01:09:29.847
with a great big, beautiful tomorrow.

01:09:29.908 --> 01:09:30.297
Yeah, right.

01:09:30.297 --> 01:09:31.137
All that stuff.

01:09:31.408 --> 01:09:39.358
But when I hear them talking about it and there's empirical evidence,'cause I'm watching it in a daily basis, like, yeah, hey, if I, my kids wanted to.

01:09:40.018 --> 01:09:43.108
Buy a house, they're gonna be in their thirties when they buy a house.

01:09:43.108 --> 01:09:44.547
If they do it the traditional way.

01:09:44.578 --> 01:09:44.908
Right.

01:09:44.908 --> 01:09:48.118
If they're, if they go a lot about this just in like, go get a job.

01:09:48.177 --> 01:09:48.448
Yep.

01:09:48.478 --> 01:09:52.438
Go do the things, get a W2, get married, married percent income, try your best and try to do this thing.

01:09:52.858 --> 01:09:58.018
You're gonna be in your thirties, which means that you're not having, most people don't have children until they have a house.

01:09:58.078 --> 01:09:58.318
Right.

01:09:58.467 --> 01:10:01.858
So that means that like, we're pushing demographics way out into the future.

01:10:01.858 --> 01:10:01.948
Right.

01:10:01.948 --> 01:10:04.618
Which means you'll automatically decrease the number of kids people are gonna

01:10:04.618 --> 01:10:04.677
have.

01:10:04.677 --> 01:10:05.488
That's exactly right.

01:10:05.488 --> 01:10:11.457
So you'll, you know,'cause when you're young, you'll have, you'll, you'll have four before you realize that they're too expensive.

01:10:11.518 --> 01:10:12.057
Yes.

01:10:12.717 --> 01:10:15.177
Uh, and, but that's not like.

01:10:15.497 --> 01:10:19.547
If you're in your thirties now you start to make, you start to make economic decisions.

01:10:19.728 --> 01:10:19.818
Right?

01:10:20.238 --> 01:10:22.877
And you live your life as homo economicus, right?

01:10:22.908 --> 01:10:26.148
It's just like everything is based on economics.

01:10:26.148 --> 01:10:26.207
Yeah.

01:10:26.927 --> 01:10:38.148
And when you do that, then you get more and more frustrated about the situation because you can't ever catch it because all these things go in this direction and you're like, well, like I'm still chasing my down payment.

01:10:38.148 --> 01:10:42.738
But now the houses have all gone faster because now we're on a, now we're on an exponential scale.

01:10:42.738 --> 01:10:46.728
We a$500,000 house, a 10% increase on that is a lot of money.

01:10:46.733 --> 01:10:47.063
Right?

01:10:47.328 --> 01:10:47.627
Right.

01:10:47.688 --> 01:10:49.547
10% down payment, I gotta save an extra

01:10:49.547 --> 01:10:50.297
four grand to

01:10:50.568 --> 01:10:50.898
Right.

01:10:50.898 --> 01:10:51.618
Make a down payment.

01:10:51.707 --> 01:10:52.337
That's a lot.

01:10:52.398 --> 01:10:54.828
And you may, and you may not catch that in time.

01:10:55.368 --> 01:11:00.318
So, and interest rates may change in that middle of that game and now you're really messed up or whatever.

01:11:00.318 --> 01:11:03.497
So it tho those things impact those kids.

01:11:03.917 --> 01:11:10.818
And when I hear their voices of like, well, I don't know if I wanna go to school, then I don't know if I want to, you know, what job will I get?

01:11:11.028 --> 01:11:12.137
What am I gonna go do?

01:11:12.512 --> 01:11:20.073
You know, that that is a discouragement to me, and I think that is something that has to be addressed in our country.

01:11:20.073 --> 01:11:33.068
If we're going to survive, if, if we're gonna do a convention of the states or if we're gonna get motivated, you're gonna have to give these kids some hope that they can do it, that, that they can, that it's worth a fight.

01:11:33.898 --> 01:11:36.658
Right, because the trade that they've been told is there.

01:11:36.807 --> 01:11:38.307
So do we have to fight against somebody?

01:11:38.877 --> 01:11:39.148
Like

01:11:39.148 --> 01:11:40.917
do the enemy.

01:11:40.917 --> 01:11:43.228
You the enemy is the train that you're on, the

01:11:43.228 --> 01:11:43.948
complacency

01:11:43.953 --> 01:11:44.063
train.

01:11:44.063 --> 01:11:48.087
The complacency, the, the train that's moving in the same direction that you can't undo.

01:11:48.507 --> 01:11:52.917
You're gonna, we're gonna have to find a place in a, get the train to jump the tracks.

01:11:53.127 --> 01:11:53.728
Be messy.

01:11:54.207 --> 01:11:59.368
But I think you have to have that happen in order for, for somebody to say like, we can't continue to move in the same direction.

01:11:59.667 --> 01:12:01.318
You can't have$40 trillion.

01:12:01.318 --> 01:12:04.137
Is that like a bust of the, the federal reserve system, even

01:12:04.287 --> 01:12:04.467
virtually?

01:12:04.467 --> 01:12:04.528
Yeah.

01:12:04.528 --> 01:12:04.557
I

01:12:04.557 --> 01:12:08.488
think those losing our reserve status as a, as a nation,

01:12:08.578 --> 01:12:11.938
I think you're gonna have to see oil detached from the dollar

01:12:11.938 --> 01:12:12.238
dollar.

01:12:12.328 --> 01:12:13.497
I think that's gonna have to happen.

01:12:13.587 --> 01:12:14.068
I think.

01:12:14.158 --> 01:12:17.278
Uh, and I think you're gonna, you're starting to see those things happen.

01:12:17.337 --> 01:12:17.667
Yeah.

01:12:17.667 --> 01:12:17.677
Yeah.

01:12:17.757 --> 01:12:24.057
You're definitely starting to see things with, with Russia and China and Brazil, bricks, all that stuff is really happening.

01:12:24.057 --> 01:12:26.457
And they're not, they're not moving off of that.

01:12:26.518 --> 01:12:27.717
You know, they may kind of play Right

01:12:27.747 --> 01:12:27.927
now

01:12:27.927 --> 01:12:28.228
we're too

01:12:28.228 --> 01:12:31.438
powerful for them to really confront directly.

01:12:31.858 --> 01:12:33.382
But$40 trillion in debt.

01:12:34.243 --> 01:12:36.823
You lose your status as something that people trust,

01:12:36.882 --> 01:12:37.063
right?

01:12:37.393 --> 01:12:38.052
What are you doing?

01:12:38.052 --> 01:12:39.162
What are you doing about this?

01:12:39.193 --> 01:12:41.203
You know, well, nothing, we're just spending more,

01:12:41.292 --> 01:12:41.592
right?

01:12:41.653 --> 01:12:42.762
Ah, we shut our government down.

01:12:42.792 --> 01:12:44.292
Okay, well great, so then, but

01:12:44.292 --> 01:12:45.823
we gotta pay back, pay for everybody anyway.

01:12:45.823 --> 01:12:46.662
So we actually didn't save any

01:12:46.667 --> 01:12:58.872
money, so we didn't do any, say, we didn't do any of that and, and you're not really getting into the disciplinarian discipline of like, okay, you have to live a responsible citizen driven life, the kids.

01:12:59.082 --> 01:13:02.712
So we need to turn our politicians into ho Homo Economicus.

01:13:02.893 --> 01:13:03.578
Well, we a little bit.

01:13:03.578 --> 01:13:05.653
They need to understand it for sure.

01:13:05.682 --> 01:13:06.403
Well, they will.

01:13:06.662 --> 01:13:10.172
Well the dollar loses, reserve currency status and whatever else, I suppose.

01:13:10.172 --> 01:13:18.542
And I think they have to, the, the politicians have to listen to the people and then the, and I also don't know if I can blame the politicians'cause I'm just the thing's too damn big.

01:13:18.693 --> 01:13:18.962
Yeah.

01:13:19.023 --> 01:13:22.292
It just is such a big behemoth that it's really hard to move.

01:13:22.563 --> 01:13:29.372
So the only way to do it is to sort of have these really disruptive breaking moments, like the dollar collapses or you have, or do you

01:13:29.792 --> 01:13:31.563
think we would remain one nation?

01:13:31.592 --> 01:13:31.743
No.

01:13:31.743 --> 01:13:32.613
If the dollar broke,

01:13:32.912 --> 01:13:33.393
I don't

01:13:33.573 --> 01:13:34.682
How do you think that would shake down?

01:13:35.073 --> 01:13:35.462
I don't know.

01:13:35.462 --> 01:13:40.832
I mean, may be more regional, maybe more, you know, like these different factions of things.

01:13:40.832 --> 01:13:43.023
And may, there may be real, real alignments that happen.

01:13:43.832 --> 01:13:49.262
It's either that that dollar breaks apart or you start to see a movement of secession, like true secession.

01:13:49.262 --> 01:13:49.502
Right.

01:13:49.502 --> 01:13:53.188
So there's a good question about like, so now, uh.

01:13:53.688 --> 01:13:55.188
What is the role of the federal government?

01:13:55.278 --> 01:14:01.307
And you, you have things like Oregon where all drugs are legalized to the point at which, you know, fentanyl and everything.

01:14:01.398 --> 01:14:01.938
It was,

01:14:01.938 --> 01:14:03.703
they kind of turned away from that away because that

01:14:03.703 --> 01:14:04.278
was a shit show.

01:14:04.337 --> 01:14:08.658
But it's all been sort of like, you know, it's, but that's against the federal law.

01:14:08.807 --> 01:14:09.018
Totally.

01:14:09.018 --> 01:14:09.347
Right.

01:14:09.347 --> 01:14:13.398
So no matter what it is, even marijuana, Colorado, early, early document that.

01:14:13.398 --> 01:14:13.667
Right.

01:14:13.997 --> 01:14:19.158
So if that's the case, what other laws are not applicable?

01:14:19.337 --> 01:14:19.728
Right.

01:14:19.787 --> 01:14:20.148
Like,

01:14:20.478 --> 01:14:21.858
well, and what's natural law?

01:14:22.158 --> 01:14:23.268
That was an interesting thing.

01:14:23.268 --> 01:14:26.898
Like did, right, did the federal government ever have a place regulating marijuana?

01:14:26.943 --> 01:14:27.302
I don't know.

01:14:27.467 --> 01:14:28.037
I don't know.

01:14:28.037 --> 01:14:28.188
Didn't

01:14:28.188 --> 01:14:28.787
seem like it.

01:14:28.787 --> 01:14:29.148
And then you

01:14:29.148 --> 01:14:29.627
necessarily,

01:14:29.717 --> 01:14:32.448
so then if you, and if you take that to its logical end, right?

01:14:32.448 --> 01:14:34.307
It's like, well then, okay, so.

01:14:34.648 --> 01:14:38.127
If this law isn't, doesn't need to be ab obeyed.

01:14:38.188 --> 01:14:39.568
What about taxes?

01:14:39.627 --> 01:14:40.078
Right.

01:14:40.347 --> 01:14:49.768
Or what about like, so why did we fight a civil war in which there was a conflict over what the law's irreconcilable was between the states?

01:14:49.768 --> 01:14:53.007
So we wanted common defense and we wanted trade.

01:14:53.217 --> 01:14:53.728
Yes.

01:14:53.728 --> 01:14:54.872
And that's pretty much it.

01:14:54.932 --> 01:14:56.637
So, so what out of that?

01:14:56.637 --> 01:15:06.597
So I think you, you're going to either have to see secession, something where someone like a California or someone like Texas, Florida, Texas or a Texas says, we're out.

01:15:06.597 --> 01:15:06.618
Just out.

01:15:06.837 --> 01:15:07.137
Yeah,

01:15:07.198 --> 01:15:07.707
we're out.

01:15:07.707 --> 01:15:09.057
We can survive on our own.

01:15:09.057 --> 01:15:14.007
I'll take my 6% of that debt, I guess, but I don't want it to get any worse before I leave.

01:15:14.007 --> 01:15:15.478
So by

01:15:15.747 --> 01:15:23.097
the only nonviolent way to end it is if, if the states stopped sending their money to Washington first.

01:15:23.097 --> 01:15:23.127
Mm.

01:15:23.427 --> 01:15:28.497
The Nixon stuff that happened in the seventies where everyone had to send it to Washington and then everybody has to send it back.

01:15:28.557 --> 01:15:28.858
Yep.

01:15:29.337 --> 01:15:33.807
If the states decided that would be, if, if they would just say, we're, we're done.

01:15:33.927 --> 01:15:36.387
We're not sending our money to the federal government any longer.

01:15:36.417 --> 01:15:36.717
Yep.

01:15:37.467 --> 01:15:37.948
I think that's the,

01:15:37.993 --> 01:15:43.108
and if that could be declared by both the progressive states and the conservative states, which it could,

01:15:43.198 --> 01:15:43.587
it could,

01:15:43.677 --> 01:15:46.167
like California has threatened to do that kind of'cause they

01:15:46.167 --> 01:15:47.307
and Florida could do the same.

01:15:47.307 --> 01:15:47.547
Right.

01:15:47.547 --> 01:15:50.278
So if those two players said, we're not doing this.

01:15:50.278 --> 01:15:50.368
Yep.

01:15:51.372 --> 01:15:52.512
And I leave Texas out of it.

01:15:52.512 --> 01:15:54.222
'cause it's really a, it's just a mess.

01:15:54.283 --> 01:15:57.012
It's not Texas politics is really messy.

01:15:57.012 --> 01:16:00.103
But those two are like your beta testing of Yep.

01:16:00.103 --> 01:16:00.943
The most things.

01:16:01.002 --> 01:16:01.212
Yep.

01:16:01.273 --> 01:16:02.743
The most progressive is California.

01:16:02.743 --> 01:16:03.997
The, the most conservative Florida.

01:16:03.997 --> 01:16:04.438
Which, which is crazy.

01:16:04.693 --> 01:16:05.203
Florida

01:16:05.203 --> 01:16:06.342
has become that over the last

01:16:06.342 --> 01:16:06.703
I know,

01:16:06.703 --> 01:16:07.153
20 years.

01:16:07.153 --> 01:16:07.783
Especially living in

01:16:07.783 --> 01:16:08.113
Florida.

01:16:08.113 --> 01:16:09.073
Florida Van Miami.

01:16:09.073 --> 01:16:09.582
What?

01:16:09.762 --> 01:16:11.412
They're the conservatives now.

01:16:11.412 --> 01:16:12.283
What the hell?

01:16:12.882 --> 01:16:15.103
But I think if you could do that and they said we're done.

01:16:15.132 --> 01:16:15.342
Yeah.

01:16:15.372 --> 01:16:16.002
We're not sending it.

01:16:16.002 --> 01:16:17.323
And then Utah's like, yeah, we're in.

01:16:17.323 --> 01:16:17.472
Yeah.

01:16:17.472 --> 01:16:19.453
We'll, north Dakota's like, yeah, we're in.

01:16:19.632 --> 01:16:25.512
And suddenly you'd see this like maybe an amalgamation of more than 38 states, which would get you to a convention.

01:16:25.813 --> 01:16:26.023
Okay.

01:16:26.082 --> 01:16:29.653
Um, that's the only non, that's the only nonviolent way out of it.

01:16:29.653 --> 01:16:29.893
Okay.

01:16:30.103 --> 01:16:30.313
Okay.

01:16:30.313 --> 01:16:33.877
If the Petrodollar collapses you, you're gonna have really big troubles.

01:16:33.877 --> 01:16:35.832
A lot of violence, A lot of, I think it ends up in violence.

01:16:35.832 --> 01:16:36.943
Internal violence.

01:16:36.972 --> 01:16:37.693
Internal violence.

01:16:37.842 --> 01:16:38.052
Yeah.

01:16:39.342 --> 01:16:43.212
How do they decide who, I guess whoever controls the military kind of wins, right.

01:16:43.783 --> 01:16:44.113
Yeah.

01:16:44.113 --> 01:16:44.292
And

01:16:44.292 --> 01:16:45.137
I like, you know, I don't know.

01:16:45.143 --> 01:16:47.533
And I can't, I don't necessarily speculate about the end.

01:16:47.533 --> 01:16:48.283
I don't know what that is.

01:16:48.283 --> 01:16:51.462
But I do think you'll see people just will give up.

01:16:51.613 --> 01:16:54.523
And so when you give up, then you turn to like desperation.

01:16:54.523 --> 01:16:56.262
And when you are desperate, you do violent things.

01:16:56.323 --> 01:16:56.563
Yeah.

01:16:56.773 --> 01:16:58.002
That So it'll be neighbor to neighbor.

01:16:58.002 --> 01:16:59.533
It'll be this like, yeah.

01:16:59.533 --> 01:17:00.462
I mean, it'll be a very

01:17:00.462 --> 01:17:00.912
strange do thing.

01:17:00.912 --> 01:17:01.457
It splits up regionally.

01:17:01.693 --> 01:17:03.672
It actually becomes civil war.

01:17:03.672 --> 01:17:04.243
Civil war.

01:17:04.243 --> 01:17:04.632
Like the, yeah.

01:17:04.632 --> 01:17:07.993
It could be streets of Iraq, whether you're a loyalist or a,

01:17:08.412 --> 01:17:08.953
yeah, it could be.

01:17:09.012 --> 01:17:09.493
Whatever.

01:17:09.703 --> 01:17:10.182
It could be.

01:17:10.752 --> 01:17:11.502
So that's not,

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you could have that big red target for during those days.

01:17:15.762 --> 01:17:16.422
Hopefully you don't

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need it.

01:17:16.813 --> 01:17:17.983
I don't, I don't want that to happen.

01:17:17.983 --> 01:17:18.733
I wanna say that.

01:17:18.733 --> 01:17:21.012
Like I don't, I don't want that to be the outcome.

01:17:21.012 --> 01:17:26.832
I don't think that's, I don't think that's the right way, but when I hear 20 year olds and I spend time around them Yeah.

01:17:26.893 --> 01:17:30.462
And when and when I hear them, it's a very different than when I was 20.

01:17:30.462 --> 01:17:31.542
No, the optimism is, uh,

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I was like, I didn't care.

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And it took me 20 years to get as cynical as I got.

01:17:35.592 --> 01:17:35.893
Yeah.

01:17:36.167 --> 01:17:40.932
Guys are, when we first met guys, these guys are cynical at 20 18, 25.

01:17:41.847 --> 01:17:43.408
And they're going, it didn't work.

01:17:43.408 --> 01:17:44.097
It doesn't work.

01:17:44.158 --> 01:17:44.247
Right.

01:17:44.247 --> 01:17:45.717
The system doesn't work for me.

01:17:45.868 --> 01:17:46.167
Right.

01:17:46.198 --> 01:17:48.268
And I'm not gonna make the trade that you've asked me to make,

01:17:48.268 --> 01:17:49.557
no matter which perspective you're on.

01:17:49.557 --> 01:17:49.677
No.

01:17:49.917 --> 01:17:57.478
Like I don't think you can look at Congress from either perspective.

01:17:57.597 --> 01:17:57.868
No.

01:17:58.347 --> 01:18:06.688
Like the Democrats think the Democratic Congress is retarded, only surpassed by the Republicans and the Republicans think that the Yeah.

01:18:06.717 --> 01:18:08.997
Republican party is retarded.

01:18:09.207 --> 01:18:11.757
You can't or surpassed by the Democrats in Congress.

01:18:11.818 --> 01:18:11.967
Yeah.

01:18:11.967 --> 01:18:12.747
You're not gonna,

01:18:12.747 --> 01:18:13.797
it's a dysfunctional hall.

01:18:13.797 --> 01:18:17.037
It's dysfunctional and it really, it's not working.

01:18:17.217 --> 01:18:21.087
And weirdly, it's dysfunctional to those of us in the populace.

01:18:21.507 --> 01:18:23.908
It's completely functioning as it's designed.

01:18:25.677 --> 01:18:26.488
And that's where the rub is.

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It will create the outcomes that are designed to do.

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We're on a train.

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It's gonna be crazy.

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Thanks for listening to The Loco Experience.

01:18:34.962 --> 01:18:35.292
Yep.

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Cheers.

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