Sept. 13, 2025

EXPERIENCE 238 | Walk in Faith with Kyle Speller - Public Address Announcer and Team Chaplain for the Denver Nuggets & More!

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Season 5

Kyle Speller has been the voice of the Denver Nuggets, Team Chaplain, and Community Ambassador for over 2 decades.  He’s the Founder of KSG Voice, a Middle School Counsellor and Athletic Director at Global Village Academy in Aurora, also an Associate Pastor, Husband, Father, Grandfather, and Servant of Christ.  

Kyle has an inspiring journey, and was a very insightful guest, so please join me in enjoying my conversation with Kyle Speller. 

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Kyle Speller has been the voice of the Denver Nuggets team, chaplain and Community Ambassador for over two decades.

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He's the founder of KSG Voice, a middle school counselor and athletic director at Global Village Academy in Aurora.

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Also an associate pastor.

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Husband, father, grandfather, and servant of Christ.

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Kyle has an inspiring journey and was a very insightful guest, so please join me in enjoying my conversation with Kyle Speller.

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Let's have some fun.

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Welcome to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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On this show, you'll get to know business and community leaders from all around Northern Colorado and beyond.

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Our guests share their stories, business stories, life stories, stories of triumph and of tragedy.

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And through it all, you'll be inspired and entertained.

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These conversations are real and raw, and no topics are off limits.

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So pop in a breath mint and get ready to meet our latest guest.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Kyle Speller.

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Kyle has a lot of titles.

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He's the PA announcer for the Denver Nuggets, as well as the team chaplain.

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He is the founder of KSG Voice.

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He's a middle school counselor for a school.

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He'll tell us about, he's a husband, a father, and a servant of Christ.

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Hey, there it is, and I'm so honored to have you here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You might be the most famous person to be on the show.

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Okay.

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Yeah, probably I would that, I mean, we had, we had Heidi gal on, I had Heidi on Heidi Gal when she was running for governor.

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Oh, she's the Camp Bow Wow.

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Founder.

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Okay.

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We didn't really talk about the gubernatorial run.

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We talked about her entrepreneur journey.

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Right, right.

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Uh, which was very mm-hmm.

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Spectacular and awesome faith guided as well.

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Mm.

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But thanks for honoring me with, uh, a local celebrities presence.

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Oh wow.

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Okay.

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You're pretty fancy.

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We'll take that.

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If you feel me fawning over you.

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You, I like to say flattery will get you everywhere with me.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it's probably less effect.

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Um, tell us about, uh, like how you spend your time.

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It's approaching basketball season.

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Mm-hmm.

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So maybe we can start there.

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Like how does that impact your, your rhythm and

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routine?

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Yeah.

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For me actually right now, I'm like really excited'cause I'm excited about this team that we've got now.

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I feel like we've got a lot of parts that we've been needing and, um, you know, can we talk about that a little bit?

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A little insider's analysis?

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Sure.

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I mean.

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Not, not, I, I don't have that much inside.

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Yeah.

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I, I just, I've got what, pretty much, but tell me what you see someone else has, but for me, yeah.

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Just being able to finally say that we have depth mm-hmm.

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Um, that, you know, that guys that can come, doesn't come to all ride on Yoic kind of thing.

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Right.

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Guys that can come in and contribute big time.

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We've got, we've got shooting, we've got defense, we've got depth, we've got, and we, we have a, a real, uh, backup center that, um, I'm so excited to, to have him.

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The, the reason why is because I've always seen Yoic go against him, and I've seen the way he's played him, and so I'm like, he, he's with us now.

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He's tough.

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Yeah.

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And so, um, yeah, that's, it's gonna be awesome.

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It's worth

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it keeping him on the bench just to keep him outta Yoko's face.

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Hey, I just can't, I'm teasing whoever you are,

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but, uh, yeah.

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So looking forward.

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Looking forward to this season.

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I'm, I, you know, I, I definitely would love to have a couple more parades.

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Can we,

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uh, can we jump into, before we get into the life of, of the voice mm-hmm.

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And all the different things you do.

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I wanna talk about nuggets because mm-hmm.

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Like being the team chaplain mm-hmm.

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I can imagine is a really unique place.

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And without breaking any non immunity or anything, is, is faith a pretty big component of this team?

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I'm sure it's very diverse from backgrounds.

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Well, what it is like, or how does that work?

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Yeah.

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In the NBA, it's a little bit different than the other leagues.

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Like, uh, for the NFL, there's a team chaplain and they're just, that they only work with their team.

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Same thing with MLB.

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Okay.

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Um, and, and NHL as well.

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But in the NBA, we have a unique, um, opportunity where we are able to have both teams come together.

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The whoever wants to participate or whoever wants to take part in child service comes together.

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And so we do that.

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And so Oh, like before a game?

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Before every, every game.

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Before every game.

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Both teams From both or players?

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From both teams?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah.

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And so it's a pretty special dynamic because it allows us to build, you know, relationships throughout.

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Yeah.

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Because guys in the league, you know, trade deadline guy, they're here and then they're gone.

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Right, right.

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And, but that's a way to maintain

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that.

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Well, in a lot of times those backroom contacts and things, not gonna say backroom, but it is in your case, almost a backroom contact.

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Yeah.

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You're like, Hey, you should actually get this guy.

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Both because of his basketball ability, but also he's just a great, honorable guy, you know?

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Yeah.

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And he'd be great on the team or whatever.

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Yeah.

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No, not really.

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The

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owners and managers don't care about all that stuff.

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No, not at all.

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Because they're, they're not involved in it.

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They look at the numbers.

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Yeah.

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Not involved in that part of it all.

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So it's very anonymized.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's a sacred time.

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It's a sacred time.

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Is it like, I don't wanna talk percentages, but is it, like, are half of NBA players kind of Facebook people?

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No, I wouldn't say that.

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20%, 30%.

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So like that, it just kind of fluctuates.

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And you don't have to

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be to participate.

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Right, right.

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I assume.

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And you don't have, there's no like, real hard number either.

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There's guys that are, it's hard to be that famous and that rich.

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Right.

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Well, and believe God is, needs to be too big of a party of your life, it feels like.

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No, I wouldn't say that either.

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I think it's just based on, you know, their, their roots and who he's called and who their foundation is and, and just their journey all along the way.

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Right, right.

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And so there's guys.

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Plenty of guys that, you know, they came from nothing.

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They're, they're, they, they were raised, uh, in the church and continue on.

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There's guys that find Christ along the way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's just whatever the Holy Spirit is doing.

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But overall, it's not really a culture of faith so much.

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Mm.

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In, in the, I wouldn't say that either.

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Okay.

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Because everybody is kind of got their own Right.

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It just depends on the individual, what's their drivers.

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And so some, some people come to chapel, but some people.

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Uh, just do things at their locker.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so for me, the role as a chaplain though, is not just for the players, it's for the team as a whole, and it's for the actual arena, I would say as a whole.

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I, I kind of say the, the arena is kind of my, my, the, my, my church or what.

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Yeah.

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And, and what I mean by that is, is really, you know, the fan, everyone from the fans to ushers, to security, to the officials, to players, to, to greeters, to coaches, whoever, whoever needs prayer at that point in time.

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It is, it's up for me as a chaplain to just be obedient to whatever the Holy Spirit is.

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Well, and even in your role

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as an announcer with all the kids watching and all this and that, to be honoring to God in that mm-hmm.

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And the way that you talk about other players and teams and stuff, I imagine it's a, it should be instinctual and it seems like mm-hmm.

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You've developed that very strongly.

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Yeah.

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I.

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For me.

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I, like I said, I'm just trying to be obedient.

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Yeah.

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Whatever, whatever the Lord, my, my prayer before I walk in the building every game is, Lord, don't allow them to see me or hear me.

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Allow them to see you and hear you and whatever it is that I'm doing.

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Yeah.

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And just cause me to sit down and you rise up and you be glorified.

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I love the way you talk about that and just whatever, whoever, whoever, it doesn't matter if it's the, the person in the back hallway that you don't see that's, you know, guarding the stairwell.

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Right.

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That no one sees, no one cares about stocks, the hot dog, buns, whatever.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, that person needs Christ too.

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And, and so it's up for me to, if the Lord is saying, go talk to that person, go pray with that person to do it.

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And so, yeah.

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Cool.

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I dig it.

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Well, you, uh, joined us, uh, and gave kind of an opening exercise for our next Level summit a few weeks ago.

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Oh yeah.

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And, uh, how did it go?

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How did it go?

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Oh, it was great.

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It was awesome event, and so Awesome.

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Thanks for kicking it off.

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Good.

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And, and Richard did a great job in the workshop in the afternoon and yeah, a good time was by all, I've got his book, so I can't wait to read that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, and you met a bunch of our people and stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, shared a bunch of insights on, on trust and mm-hmm.

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Man, not to jump right into current events, but crazy day to day with Charlie Kirk being killed.

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I haven't heard any of that.

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You haven't heard in the middle school the entire day.

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Okay.

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Yeah, so like I, I just wrote my blog about trust'cause and kind of the heels of that mm-hmm.

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And the distrust of the wealthy and different polarizations.

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But yeah.

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Charlie got assassinated in the middle of, you have to forgive me.

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Who's Charlie?

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Charlie Kirk is, uh, he's kind of a.

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A, a college campus, um, political debater kind of guy, very trumpy kind of guy and stuff.

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I think

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I've seen some of his videos.

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Yeah.

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He's a younger guy right?

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He took 31 years old.

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Yeah.

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Father of a

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couple.

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And like I, I just Yeah.

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Got captivated by some of the videos.

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Just different ones, um, you know, different subject matter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like there'd be people like yelling at him.

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Right.

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You

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know,

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and

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stuff like that.

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He's kinda like the most hated figure on the right by the left.

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So he's gone.

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He's gone.

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Yeah.

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He got shot through the throat today while he was debating about, uh, violence from the left.

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Jesus.

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Um, and it's just gonna increase the mistrust, um, in our country so much.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and so anyway, I've been knowing that and doing that as part of why I poured a shot of bourbon in my coffee today.

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Wow.

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So I just, uh, well, I do it for my podcast pretty regular, just to grease the skids.

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But it's a sad thing and I'm, I'm, I'm nervous.

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It feels like a nine 11 kind of moment where things aren't gonna be quite the same going forward.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um,'cause when you get to violence like that, you know, it's just, yeah.

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I mean, Trump was crazy.

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I mean, Trump's crazy a little bit, right?

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And so somebody thinking he was crazy enough to shoot on him was sad, but un explainable a little bit, you know?

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And that's what circuit services for, is for those kind of folks.

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But if regular people can't talk about what they think without risking, getting shot at, that's a sad day.

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I mean, the world we live in now, it's just for me personally, I pray over my children, my wife and myself, every day before we even walk out of the house.

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I always just pray a covering over them.

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And that's, that's a part of, because it's a routine for you tomorrow, tomorrow's not promised to anyone.

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And, and, you know, it could, you could be driving in traffic and someone pull up on you and, and all of that.

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And, and, uh, that's just, that's just horrible.

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That's just horrible.

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Sorry to hit you with that.

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Um, and wow, it's just been on my mind a little bit.

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Mm-hmm.

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'cause it's, I'm, I'm a philosopher at heart a little bit.

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Mm-hmm.

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And a sociologist, I think.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I, I don't, I don't know where it goes, you know, it's hard to predict.

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Mm.

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Hopefully nowhere dumb.

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Mm.

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You know, we always have to be able to talk it out.

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That's the point.

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Right.

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You know, and, and to attack those that.

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Spend most of their time talking and debating, you know, it's just such a crushing thing.

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So was it, was it, was it live or something?

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Oh yeah.

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His wife was there.

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A bunch of people were there.

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It was a live event in front of thousands, and somebody then, they haven't caught the person they shot from a building a couple hundred yards away.

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Ooh.

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And yeah, like right through the back of his, like right through his throat, basically while he was talking.

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Mm-hmm.

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Sorry about that.

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Mm.

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Yeah, that's So it's a nervous day.

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Yeah.

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And we can clean some of this up if we decide to, but it's also an interesting place to just process things when things are fresh.

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Mm-hmm.

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So how old are your

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kids?

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I've got twin, 23-year-old sons.

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Okay.

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A 26-year-old daughter.

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And yeah, I think about that type of stuff.

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Just all the time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just, you know, just, just because you just never know.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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You know, for, for us, obviously, we're just like, well, just make sure you know where you're going.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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If, if, if, yeah.

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Yeah.

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When,

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when, when your time is up.

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When, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just make sure, am I, let's make sure we meet Peter.

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Ticket, punch and validated meet.

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Yeah, we meet, meet, we meet in eternity and in, in, with our Heavenly Father.

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And so

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I'm gonna circle back to your, your faith component a little bit and where you kind of.

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Mm.

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Develop kind of an abiding faith you mentioned mm-hmm.

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Catholic roots in our previous conversation and stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I wanna, I wanna hold off on that because I wanna catch an idea of the spread of, go back to the question I first asked.

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Mm-hmm.

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What's your life look like a little bit?

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Not just the chaplain stuff mm-hmm.

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Not the PA stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like more from a timeline, what's a week look like?

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Are you still a full-time counselor or near full-time counselor?

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Yeah.

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When you're the nuggets announcer.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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Middle school counselor, um, guidance counselor.

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I make sure to clarify that, but, um, by day, um,

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so it's more like, not kids having big problems, it's more of like career counseling and focusing and stuff or Yeah.

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Just support

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for them at, at the school.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm kind of like, you know, I'm in the city and so a lot of, a lot of children, they don't necessarily have.

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A lot of male role models, and so I get to be that individual and, you know, preferably make an impact in their lives.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I always said I never wanted to work with middle schoolers and uh, God's got jokes, so, so I'm there and, um, um, but yeah, by day that's where I am.

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And then, you know, during the, during the season, I head straight from there down to the arena.

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Okay.

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Um, there's things I do for the nuggets during, you know, through as a community ambassador as well, and so I'll go and Okay.

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Speak at schools.

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You're there pretty regularly.

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Um, yeah, well just kind of for the games, but also outside that, yeah.

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There are boots on the ground and as well, and so that

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includes probably

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in the off season too.

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Absolutely.

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They'll hook you up with an elementary school to go talk to or this or that or whatever.

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Our rotary club.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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We'll

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do stuff for, you know, like Special Olympics or Yeah.

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You know, different things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, um, just to have our presence there.

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And so, so there's that.

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Um, and then, yeah, full-time husband and father as well.

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Um, but the kids, the kids are most, they're outta the nest, I presume, like it's them kids now.

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Yeah.

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And so no grandkids yet.

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I have one grandfather.

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One granddaughter, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and so, uh, just, you know, just trying to pour into all of them and, you know, their, their situations are different now, now that they're adults, you know, it's just more about trying to continue to be a voice of wisdom Yeah.

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In, in their lives and, and, uh, just continuing, continuing to pray for'em.

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And, and, um, other than that, um, just spending time with, with my wife and.

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And just kind of keeping other places spin.

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Well, you do a

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little bit of this, a little bit of that, you know, like mm-hmm.

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The talk you had for us, and I'm sure you Absolutely.

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Maybe mc events occasionally through that.

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I just gotta request this earlier and I gotta check the calendar on that one.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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Keeping busy.

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And you're an

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associate pastor?

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Mm-hmm.

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Or something like that as well.

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And so they're at service on a weekly basis for, for the most part.

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And yeah, I'm kind of the, uh, one of the ones, if our pastors has to be gone or whatever, I'm he'll every six weeks or something.

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Somebody else has to give the servant and put something together.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I like it.

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But yeah, just serving, just serving, just serving.

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That's, that's all.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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When the Nuggets games

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close up, like they're, what do you mean they go until 11:00 PM or 10:00 PM or, oh,

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yeah.

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It depends on when we start, right?

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So a 7:00 PM game.

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Then I'm leaving the arena about 10 30 or so.

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Okay.

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Uh, and eight, I guess say a quote unquote eight or eight 30 game.

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I say that in quotes because that's normally national television, so Oh.

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That means eight 30.

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That really means 8 45.

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Gotcha.

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After the 15 minutes of commercials.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And extended out.

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Oh, extra commercials between, yeah.

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All of that.

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And so, so that's at midnight.

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Yeah.

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Getting home kind of thing.

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1130,

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midnight.

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Yep.

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And then, uh, school, back to school the next morning.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's, uh, yeah.

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You work hard.

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Yeah.

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Just, but you don't, you love it.

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It's, it's all because especially with the kids being on their own.

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Now imagine it's easier than it was when you first started even.

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Yeah.

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Well, or maybe they were already kind of high schoolers when you started.

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How long have you been doing it?

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No,

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this is my, the start of my 21st season.

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Oh, dang.

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Yeah.

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I had it in my head as like a little over 10.

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Oh yeah.

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So 20 years, 21st season.

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Yeah.

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So it's been, yeah, since they were little and all, but I would always.

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You know, be it like I was my son's, I was their coach, their club coach, their club basketball coach.

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Wow.

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So I was always at their things and could always, you know, manage whatever or, or manipulate the schedule to where I could be at their things and still take care.

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Wow.

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Because I always, for me personally, I just.

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I, I never, my father, father didn't miss either one of those things.

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No.

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And my father never saw me play, and I just said, my kids would never even know what that felt like as far as I was concerned.

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And so I was always at every volleyball game.

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My daughter played volleyball and all my son's basketball games, as many as I could be at, even, even now, one of my sons is still, he's in college now.

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This is his last year.

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Oh, okay.

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But he is on the football team, and so go to watch his games as much as possible.

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Just went last this past weekend.

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And they won their first game?

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Or was it the first one?

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They lost their first game.

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It was up in Washington, but they won their first home game, which is, we were there.

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Okay.

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Was CU or was this, uh, Mesa, Colorado.

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Mesa.

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Oh, sure.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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And so.

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Yeah.

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And just enjoying that.

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And you know, like I said, I just, my, I I, I just said they would never know what that was like to not have their father there, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I, I've been able, God's been able, God's honored that in every way.

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You know, when we first got acquainted and, and when we were kinda discussing whether, uh, you should come up for the event and stuff, you were sharing some of your story of.

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Kind of God's provision in preparing you for mm-hmm.

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The nuggets job.

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Mm-hmm.

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Can we absolutely dive into that season a little bit?

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Yeah.

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And, and maybe even go back to the start of that kind of prison ministry element.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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We'll, we'll jump back all the way to grade school, but mm-hmm.

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For the purpose of this, I think I want to hear about that story.

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Absolutely.

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So, yeah, for me, I, uh, played basketball and, and just through our church we had, um, a prison basketball ministry.

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Oh, through the church.

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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Interesting.

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And so, uh, because there, you know, can you tell me this

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church, was it a big church, like in urban Denver kind of thing?

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Yeah.

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And so you had a bunch of, bunch of ballers?

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We were all right.

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Yeah.

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As long as Kyle was there.

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No, no, no.

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But I contribute, I'm sure.

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But yeah, we, we had a prison ministry where there is a group that would go and, and do services at all the prisons.

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Okay.

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But we were the prison basketball ministry and it was just, um, special.

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It was my favorite basketball I ever played.

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Really?

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It was just playing in the prisons.

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And, uh, there's guys even to this day that will come up to me that were in the prison and they remember and That's cool.

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It was just because it was just powerful.

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It was like, post-college for you, you're kind of starting your career doing this and that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Whatever.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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We would, we had like a 21 game season.

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Okay.

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And we would play every, every year and we would just come back.

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Is it one prison

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or is it rotating year?

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No, all the prisons in Colorado.

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Okay.

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Which is, so we would go everywhere from, you know, up north to Sterling Correctional.

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Oh sure.

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There's four facilities there.

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We would play all four of those guys.

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Oh wow.

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We would go to Lyman Correctional, we'd go all the way up to Kit Carson.

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Oh dang.

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That's so cool.

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We'd go to Buena Vista, rifle Reno Wal, uh, down in Walsenburg.

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Sure.

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Uh, uh, the, just went through the Walsenburg this spring, actually.

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Love that town.

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Yeah.

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FCI, Florence, FCI Englewood.

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Uh, dang.

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I think that one just closed down.

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But, um,

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and this is all just volunteer and you guys are probably practicing before time and stuff.

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Gotta have some plays and stuff like that.

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There's a coach and kind of,

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or something.

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Uh, one of our, one of the pastors there, he was our coach and one of our sponsor and, and, um,

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and he had been a college player or something too?

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Or he just,

00:20:34.961 --> 00:20:36.311
no, I don't think so.

00:20:36.311 --> 00:20:36.332
Not really.

00:20:36.332 --> 00:20:36.957
He just loves sports.

00:20:36.957 --> 00:20:41.801
Mean, just loved basketball and, and he's, he was a, he had a missionary's heart.

00:20:41.862 --> 00:20:41.922
Yeah.

00:20:41.922 --> 00:20:47.652
And so we would go to like Colfax and we would feed the homeless and stuff like that.

00:20:47.652 --> 00:20:48.041
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:48.071 --> 00:20:48.372
Very.

00:20:48.372 --> 00:20:49.422
And we'd go to the hotels and shop.

00:20:49.422 --> 00:20:51.582
Very active church kind of you'd say.

00:20:51.856 --> 00:20:53.446
And we would feed them and all.

00:20:53.446 --> 00:20:54.166
And so, okay, so you got

00:20:54.166 --> 00:20:57.257
this 21 game season, you're rolling around and Yeah.

00:20:57.707 --> 00:20:59.926
And so did you start as an announcer right away?

00:20:59.987 --> 00:21:00.737
No,

00:21:00.737 --> 00:21:03.136
just at halftime of every game.

00:21:03.136 --> 00:21:05.086
We would always just share a little message.

00:21:05.626 --> 00:21:05.656
Okay.

00:21:05.957 --> 00:21:13.757
And that was kind of, that was the purpose and the reason, you know, we open up in prayer, closing prayer, but at halftime we would share just a little me message, a little nugget.

00:21:14.326 --> 00:21:16.846
And so, but, uh, we would do that.

00:21:16.846 --> 00:21:19.576
And so we had like a portable speaker that we would bring in.

00:21:19.576 --> 00:21:19.727
Sure.

00:21:19.727 --> 00:21:22.846
You know, everything had to be checked, you know, in order to come in and all that stuff.

00:21:22.846 --> 00:21:23.102
Right, right.

00:21:23.146 --> 00:21:24.332
Make sure you're not bringing anything in.

00:21:24.332 --> 00:21:35.747
And so yeah, just out of the, just the Lord just laid on my heart, just do the player introductions and, and all, and, and for me, I always loved the Chicago Bulls when Michael Jordan was there.

00:21:35.747 --> 00:21:36.076
Sure.

00:21:36.497 --> 00:21:43.007
And so when the guy, the PA announcer, Ray Clay would do those announce, you know, the, the, now that, that Yes.

00:21:43.426 --> 00:21:44.896
I would always get bumps.

00:21:44.896 --> 00:21:45.346
You would imitate that, goosebumps and all that.

00:21:45.346 --> 00:21:45.707
Yep.

00:21:45.707 --> 00:21:46.517
Absolutely.

00:21:46.876 --> 00:21:51.196
And so I would do that in the prisons before every game, Uhhuh and I would announce some prisons.

00:21:51.196 --> 00:21:54.856
You couldn't say the person's last name and we couldn't say our last name.

00:21:54.886 --> 00:21:55.152
Right, right.

00:21:55.277 --> 00:21:56.717
Or vice versa or whatever.

00:21:57.136 --> 00:22:02.866
Um, but just to kind of set the atmosphere and you know, and would there'd be like a bunch of people watching too?

00:22:02.866 --> 00:22:03.676
They'd be inmates.

00:22:03.707 --> 00:22:03.916
Right.

00:22:03.916 --> 00:22:06.346
It's just inmates I assume there's not that much going on.

00:22:06.346 --> 00:22:06.586
Right.

00:22:06.646 --> 00:22:09.076
So, and, and the inmates were the referees as well.

00:22:09.076 --> 00:22:15.136
So and so they're, and and they, like, they would bet on the games and whatever.

00:22:15.136 --> 00:22:16.156
Like with cigarettes or something?

00:22:16.307 --> 00:22:16.517
Yeah.

00:22:16.517 --> 00:22:17.356
Literally, yeah.

00:22:17.446 --> 00:22:19.007
Kool-Aid and all that stuff.

00:22:19.007 --> 00:22:19.231
And, okay.

00:22:19.666 --> 00:22:25.231
And so the, like, there'd be times where we wouldn't get the call and we, what is up?

00:22:26.031 --> 00:22:27.406
Hey, I got two cigarettes on this game.

00:22:27.406 --> 00:22:27.646
Yeah.

00:22:27.646 --> 00:22:29.836
Or they're like, you know what, we've gotta live here.

00:22:29.836 --> 00:22:32.326
You don't, so you're not getting that call.

00:22:33.436 --> 00:22:36.916
And so, but any case, I would do that before every game.

00:22:36.916 --> 00:22:39.317
And little did I know that was.

00:22:40.082 --> 00:22:43.201
Preparing me for when an opportunity opened up.

00:22:43.352 --> 00:22:46.561
And what was the rest of your life like at this moment in time?

00:22:46.622 --> 00:22:48.362
You had just working little kids, right?

00:22:48.362 --> 00:22:49.172
Sounds like, yep.

00:22:49.442 --> 00:22:53.162
Little kids and working, um, just at that point in time.

00:22:53.612 --> 00:22:55.862
Um, let's see.

00:22:55.862 --> 00:23:01.561
I was, that was like 95 or so, so I was just, yeah, just working.

00:23:01.561 --> 00:23:01.892
I was.

00:23:02.071 --> 00:23:06.751
Uh, I think I still, I was with FCA fellowship or Christian athletes.

00:23:06.781 --> 00:23:06.902
Oh, okay.

00:23:06.902 --> 00:23:09.152
Was the urban director there, which is how, you know Scott Kessel.

00:23:09.182 --> 00:23:09.571
Yep.

00:23:09.872 --> 00:23:16.051
And then, uh, from there I went and I went on time, uh, full-time staff with this particular church at that point.

00:23:16.051 --> 00:23:17.011
Oh see, okay.

00:23:17.071 --> 00:23:20.882
As a youth pastor and, um, yeah,

00:23:21.001 --> 00:23:27.152
just, just so this was just kind of extra hours and, you know, show off to the senior pastor how committed you are to the cause and stuff.

00:23:27.481 --> 00:23:28.382
No, I'm teasing you.

00:23:28.652 --> 00:23:32.582
I don't, he he loved the prisons at that point in time, but, and you loved basketball.

00:23:32.582 --> 00:23:32.882
Yeah.

00:23:32.882 --> 00:23:33.481
That was amazing.

00:23:33.481 --> 00:23:34.652
It was a perfect combination.

00:23:34.652 --> 00:23:35.717
And people and men and the Lord.

00:23:35.717 --> 00:23:36.116
Mm-hmm.

00:23:36.777 --> 00:23:38.281
And just pouring into men.

00:23:38.281 --> 00:23:39.122
Absolutely.

00:23:39.932 --> 00:23:45.481
And just having a heart for inmates, you know, that, that's one of the, our, our commissions as well.

00:23:45.481 --> 00:23:46.531
The, the inmates.

00:23:46.531 --> 00:23:48.721
Those, those were when you were in prisons.

00:23:48.902 --> 00:23:51.422
When I was in prison, you visited me is what Jesus said.

00:23:51.422 --> 00:23:55.561
And, uh, for the widow and for the hunger and, and so, yeah.

00:23:56.011 --> 00:23:58.862
Um, you know, man, I can imagine feeling.

00:24:00.017 --> 00:24:05.747
For some of those men like to hear their name, what, even if their last name isn't there, but hear it on the pa.

00:24:06.227 --> 00:24:06.376
I'm sure

00:24:06.376 --> 00:24:09.076
at that point it was just, yeah, and I wasn't the Nuggets guy at that

00:24:09.076 --> 00:24:09.797
point in time for sure.

00:24:10.126 --> 00:24:11.086
It was just, you're just a dude.

00:24:11.146 --> 00:24:11.386
Yeah.

00:24:11.386 --> 00:24:14.686
But, but they haven't been, felt, some of them celebrated, some of'em had.

00:24:15.446 --> 00:24:17.186
Wives and kids and stuff.

00:24:17.307 --> 00:24:17.366
Yeah.

00:24:17.426 --> 00:24:20.426
But for the most part, they got left behind when they went to prison.

00:24:20.457 --> 00:24:21.416
Boom, is my guess.

00:24:21.416 --> 00:24:21.507
Boom.

00:24:21.626 --> 00:24:22.511
Like, I don't know that way.

00:24:22.511 --> 00:24:22.711
And so

00:24:22.711 --> 00:24:24.836
it's a moment, like I said, to set the atmosphere.

00:24:24.836 --> 00:24:24.896
Yeah.

00:24:24.896 --> 00:24:29.846
First time in a while anybody has said my voice and celebrated it at all, you know?

00:24:29.852 --> 00:24:30.326
Right, right.

00:24:30.326 --> 00:24:32.126
And just be a blessing and Yeah.

00:24:32.336 --> 00:24:33.567
And so, and then we would play.

00:24:33.777 --> 00:24:34.106
Yeah.

00:24:34.106 --> 00:24:40.826
And, and we would do, like, we would do weekends, so we would do like, you know, two different, two or three different facilities.

00:24:40.856 --> 00:24:41.037
Right.

00:24:41.037 --> 00:24:47.037
On a Friday night we would play, and then we'd play a morning game on a Saturday and go to the last one game on Saturday night.

00:24:47.307 --> 00:24:48.777
Back on church On Sunday.

00:24:48.777 --> 00:24:49.017
Yeah.

00:24:49.646 --> 00:24:51.146
And it was just like I said, so Wow.

00:24:51.686 --> 00:24:52.916
Best basketball.

00:24:52.916 --> 00:24:54.537
I just, I just loved that time.

00:24:54.567 --> 00:24:54.807
That's cool.

00:24:54.807 --> 00:24:54.951
I cool.

00:24:54.951 --> 00:24:55.676
I missed that time.

00:24:55.682 --> 00:24:55.912
Yeah.

00:24:55.916 --> 00:24:56.156
Yeah.

00:24:56.156 --> 00:24:59.096
And um, I played ball in, um, preparation,

00:24:59.126 --> 00:25:00.297
like early high school.

00:25:00.416 --> 00:25:00.537
Mm-hmm.

00:25:00.777 --> 00:25:03.386
I actually lettered in basketball in seventh grade.

00:25:03.386 --> 00:25:03.666
Where, where?

00:25:03.666 --> 00:25:04.436
Here in Colorado?

00:25:04.436 --> 00:25:05.757
Uh, no, in Buchanan.

00:25:06.116 --> 00:25:07.106
Uh, North Dakota.

00:25:07.376 --> 00:25:08.126
Oh, wow.

00:25:08.217 --> 00:25:08.696
Yeah.

00:25:08.696 --> 00:25:12.386
We had a high school of only 50 kids and like three kids got a DUI.

00:25:12.392 --> 00:25:12.692
Mm-hmm.

00:25:12.957 --> 00:25:14.517
Uh, my seventh grade year.

00:25:14.517 --> 00:25:16.257
And so they didn't have enough players.

00:25:16.406 --> 00:25:21.747
I had to got called up, I played, I played, uh, till halftime of the B squad game.

00:25:21.747 --> 00:25:22.017
Yeah.

00:25:22.467 --> 00:25:26.666
'cause I was a four foot 11 seventh grader, but I could shoot and I could dribble.

00:25:26.727 --> 00:25:27.326
Hey.

00:25:27.326 --> 00:25:31.287
And uh, and then I had to go into the locker room and then come out and

00:25:31.436 --> 00:25:31.646
Yeah.

00:25:31.707 --> 00:25:35.997
You know, then play and get all my shots blocked for a while until I figured some stuff out.

00:25:36.116 --> 00:25:36.356
Yep.

00:25:36.446 --> 00:25:37.436
That's one way to learn.

00:25:37.646 --> 00:25:38.037
That's true.

00:25:38.636 --> 00:25:41.517
But anyway, that we would travel, like we would go to Wing.

00:25:41.936 --> 00:25:42.086
Mm-hmm.

00:25:42.326 --> 00:25:44.277
Uh, which was about 80 miles away.

00:25:44.336 --> 00:25:44.696
Mm-hmm.

00:25:44.702 --> 00:25:45.011
Mm-hmm.

00:25:45.116 --> 00:25:46.497
Um, because they're just.

00:25:47.057 --> 00:25:49.126
Weren't that many small schools Yeah.

00:25:49.126 --> 00:25:51.346
That you could play and have it be somewhat competitive.

00:25:51.346 --> 00:25:52.876
And we still got our butts kicked all the time.

00:25:52.936 --> 00:25:57.797
I mean, I'm, I'm not a baller by any means, you know, you'd still take the floor with me for sure.

00:25:57.916 --> 00:26:00.047
Three of me would be needed to beat you.

00:26:00.797 --> 00:26:02.477
Um, but I love the game.

00:26:02.626 --> 00:26:02.836
Yeah.

00:26:02.866 --> 00:26:04.096
And I love the travel.

00:26:04.102 --> 00:26:05.596
Travel and going into these Yes.

00:26:05.656 --> 00:26:05.896
Like

00:26:05.896 --> 00:26:07.126
other schools, right?

00:26:07.132 --> 00:26:07.142
Mm-hmm.

00:26:07.227 --> 00:26:07.396
And,

00:26:07.396 --> 00:26:11.297
and like you've got the faithful 20 parents Yep.

00:26:11.416 --> 00:26:18.527
On our side that came out and then they've got the 80 kids as parents at their, the school you're visiting great memories, right?

00:26:18.527 --> 00:26:18.586
Yeah.

00:26:18.586 --> 00:26:21.916
Just these little dinky gyms, but comradery Yes.

00:26:21.946 --> 00:26:22.727
And trust.

00:26:22.757 --> 00:26:23.086
Yep.

00:26:23.237 --> 00:26:25.517
You know, when you pass to somebody, don't miss it.

00:26:25.521 --> 00:26:25.821
Mm-hmm.

00:26:25.997 --> 00:26:27.106
You know, but Absolutely.

00:26:27.106 --> 00:26:27.826
You can miss it some.

00:26:27.826 --> 00:26:29.116
'cause nobody hits it all the time.

00:26:29.146 --> 00:26:29.507
Right.

00:26:29.507 --> 00:26:31.426
You know, it's all an odds game.

00:26:31.757 --> 00:26:31.967
Yeah.

00:26:32.027 --> 00:26:33.196
And prison's kind of like that.

00:26:33.257 --> 00:26:33.797
Mm.

00:26:34.186 --> 00:26:35.626
Like especially getting outta prison.

00:26:35.807 --> 00:26:36.707
Mm.

00:26:36.826 --> 00:26:37.487
And staying out.

00:26:37.817 --> 00:26:38.176
Yeah.

00:26:38.237 --> 00:26:38.717
Right.

00:26:38.717 --> 00:26:40.156
And believing it in yourself.

00:26:40.162 --> 00:26:40.301
That's the deal.

00:26:40.862 --> 00:26:42.902
Like how can you increase those odd odds not getting, being

00:26:42.902 --> 00:26:44.102
institutionalized.

00:26:44.132 --> 00:26:44.582
Right.

00:26:44.582 --> 00:26:45.692
Forever prisoners.

00:26:46.201 --> 00:26:49.021
'cause we have too many forever prisoners and there's a lot of money in it.

00:26:49.112 --> 00:26:50.221
Yep, yep, yep.

00:26:50.461 --> 00:26:50.731
Yeah.

00:26:51.182 --> 00:26:58.592
Well then there's a lot of people that are outside, that are outside, have never been in prison, in the prison facility, but they're in prison in their mind.

00:26:58.592 --> 00:26:58.771
Yeah.

00:26:58.771 --> 00:26:59.311
In the spirit.

00:26:59.491 --> 00:26:59.731
Yeah.

00:26:59.731 --> 00:26:59.912
Yeah.

00:27:00.211 --> 00:27:00.602
Mm-hmm.

00:27:01.142 --> 00:27:01.352
True.

00:27:01.352 --> 00:27:03.957
That and so, so yeah, doing this, that was the training ground.

00:27:04.321 --> 00:27:04.531
Yeah.

00:27:04.592 --> 00:27:04.951
Right.

00:27:04.981 --> 00:27:08.642
Like how many, no, probably like, I wanna say about five years or so.

00:27:08.672 --> 00:27:09.031
Yeah.

00:27:09.031 --> 00:27:09.122
And.

00:27:10.291 --> 00:27:13.592
It was just a great time, but it was God's preparation.

00:27:13.592 --> 00:27:20.521
And then one day there was just on the Nuggets website, I was a Nuggets fan and it just said, grab your microphones.

00:27:20.582 --> 00:27:21.362
Interesting.

00:27:21.451 --> 00:27:28.051
If you were the PA announcer for the Nuggets, how would you do the, uh, player introductions?

00:27:28.082 --> 00:27:28.172
Wow.

00:27:28.172 --> 00:27:31.652
And submit your Oh, just send an audio recording here, basically.

00:27:31.652 --> 00:27:31.711
Yeah.

00:27:31.771 --> 00:27:36.902
And at that point in time, I was working at the Comcast Media Center in Littleton.

00:27:37.082 --> 00:27:37.471
Okay.

00:27:37.471 --> 00:27:40.261
And then, so I had access to a studio Oh, right.

00:27:40.261 --> 00:27:41.132
A recording studio.

00:27:41.132 --> 00:27:41.981
'cause it was Yeah, yeah.

00:27:41.981 --> 00:27:43.172
A television studio out there.

00:27:43.352 --> 00:27:43.471
Huh.

00:27:43.531 --> 00:27:49.412
And, um, myself and the engineer, it literally took five minutes to record a demo.

00:27:49.412 --> 00:27:49.501
Right.

00:27:49.561 --> 00:27:50.221
Like bing, bing.

00:27:50.642 --> 00:27:53.821
And we sent it in and they said mine was the only one that they liked.

00:27:54.662 --> 00:27:55.001
And they brought me in.

00:27:55.201 --> 00:27:56.461
They received thousands.

00:27:57.122 --> 00:27:59.971
What, uh, and so it was all God.

00:28:00.422 --> 00:28:00.801
That's what I say.

00:28:01.027 --> 00:28:04.832
Like what if you hadn't, like had you established your voice at all by that time?

00:28:04.832 --> 00:28:06.511
Outside of the prison ministry?

00:28:06.511 --> 00:28:06.571
No.

00:28:06.781 --> 00:28:10.622
Were you announcing at church or saying, you know, anything like that?

00:28:10.622 --> 00:28:14.011
Like if you hadn't have seen that website Right.

00:28:14.311 --> 00:28:19.201
When that happened, nobody would've been like, Hey Kyle, you should definitely be the voice of the nuggets.

00:28:19.201 --> 00:28:20.192
You nothing like

00:28:20.192 --> 00:28:20.612
that?

00:28:20.942 --> 00:28:21.541
Not at all.

00:28:21.751 --> 00:28:26.852
So in 90 19, 99, I was a rookie free agent with the nuggets.

00:28:27.481 --> 00:28:27.511
Oh.

00:28:27.511 --> 00:28:35.311
And so, and I got cut, but I'm, while I was there, but, but you didn't hold a grudge While I was there, I met a guy by the name of Tommy Shepherd.

00:28:35.311 --> 00:28:38.402
He was like marketing or player personnel.

00:28:38.402 --> 00:28:39.152
One of those guys.

00:28:39.182 --> 00:28:39.301
Yeah.

00:28:39.301 --> 00:28:49.021
And, um, he's no longer there now, but, um, I remembered asking, you know, when I got cut, you always want a second chance and that type of thing.

00:28:49.021 --> 00:28:49.082
Yeah.

00:28:49.471 --> 00:28:54.392
And at some point I had reached out to him just asking.

00:28:54.797 --> 00:28:59.416
Because I think I had the idea, do they, you know, do they ever need a backup announcer for nuggets?

00:28:59.807 --> 00:29:00.196
Right.

00:29:00.287 --> 00:29:09.076
And so I reached out to him and he gave me the name of an individual that was, uh, one of the game entertainment, uh, managers at that time.

00:29:09.376 --> 00:29:14.176
And so I reached out to him and never heard anything for years or years before.

00:29:14.626 --> 00:29:14.926
Yeah.

00:29:14.987 --> 00:29:22.037
And then it was just that one day I just saw that and I showed it to my wife and she said, that's your job.

00:29:22.277 --> 00:29:23.537
And that's so cool.

00:29:23.567 --> 00:29:23.777
Yeah.

00:29:23.777 --> 00:29:24.886
And that was just powerful.

00:29:25.067 --> 00:29:25.307
Yeah.

00:29:25.307 --> 00:29:27.922
That's, uh, it's, I think women have.

00:29:28.862 --> 00:29:32.041
My, my wife told her mom like after our second date.

00:29:32.132 --> 00:29:32.221
Mm-hmm.

00:29:32.461 --> 00:29:33.602
Like, I'm gonna marry Kurt.

00:29:33.751 --> 00:29:34.412
That's the, yeah.

00:29:34.507 --> 00:29:34.846
You know?

00:29:34.846 --> 00:29:35.126
Yeah.

00:29:35.432 --> 00:29:44.041
Like they have that, men are always like second guessing God, but God speaks to women sometimes I think a little bit more clearly than he does to us knucklehead.

00:29:44.426 --> 00:29:45.362
My hardhead, my

00:29:45.362 --> 00:29:49.261
wife shares that she shared with her best friend than I think I met my husband.

00:29:49.352 --> 00:29:50.402
Is that, that's what she said.

00:29:50.731 --> 00:29:51.511
Right away after,

00:29:51.842 --> 00:29:52.382
right away.

00:29:52.442 --> 00:29:52.741
Mm-hmm.

00:29:53.011 --> 00:29:53.642
Yeah.

00:29:53.672 --> 00:29:54.061
Yeah.

00:29:54.061 --> 00:29:54.071
Yeah.

00:29:54.721 --> 00:30:01.951
I've almost like dudes will go along for the ride on that, but I almost only heard that story from the.

00:30:02.416 --> 00:30:03.227
Girls' perspective.

00:30:03.227 --> 00:30:03.317
Mm-hmm.

00:30:03.557 --> 00:30:05.957
They're the ones that somehow, I don't know.

00:30:06.317 --> 00:30:06.616
Mm-hmm.

00:30:07.217 --> 00:30:08.446
Um, at least the good ones.

00:30:08.446 --> 00:30:09.076
Mm-hmm.

00:30:09.287 --> 00:30:09.517
I don't know.

00:30:09.517 --> 00:30:10.366
Hey, how it goes.

00:30:10.787 --> 00:30:13.426
So that the, the God ordained ones, how about that?

00:30:13.517 --> 00:30:18.767
So do you like, not to get into your business, but do you like, make a ton of money doing this?

00:30:18.767 --> 00:30:22.906
Is it like a pretty lucrative gig or It's it's pretty much equivalent

00:30:22.906 --> 00:30:23.692
to a part-time job.

00:30:23.842 --> 00:30:25.211
It's a NICE's It's a

00:30:25.211 --> 00:30:26.297
good paying part-time job.

00:30:26.386 --> 00:30:26.866
Correct.

00:30:27.166 --> 00:30:27.527
Right.

00:30:27.586 --> 00:30:31.067
Like instead of making 30 bucks an hour, you make some number, way more than that.

00:30:31.067 --> 00:30:31.757
But yeah.

00:30:31.787 --> 00:30:35.987
Not like, I'm not making, I'm not 400 grand a year being this guy.

00:30:36.467 --> 00:30:37.487
No, no I'm not.

00:30:37.487 --> 00:30:42.132
They'd sign another rookie free agent instead if they had that much money to spend to that role under,

00:30:42.257 --> 00:30:42.586
under

00:30:42.586 --> 00:30:43.967
like a contractor.

00:30:44.027 --> 00:30:44.356
Right.

00:30:44.356 --> 00:30:45.257
Or an NIL deal.

00:30:45.311 --> 00:30:52.936
Do do you have dreams of like building a bigger audience, like starting a podcast or doing know, I don't know.

00:30:53.356 --> 00:30:54.977
You got a cool, cool voice.

00:30:54.977 --> 00:30:57.287
You got a big, uh, message for people.

00:30:57.376 --> 00:30:57.527
I

00:30:57.527 --> 00:31:01.517
just, I, I, I literally, if God calls you hell to Yeah.

00:31:01.682 --> 00:31:05.267
If, if, if, if that's what the Lord let, let us to do.

00:31:05.477 --> 00:31:05.656
Yeah.

00:31:05.656 --> 00:31:07.307
And that, that would be what I would do.

00:31:07.487 --> 00:31:07.817
Alright.

00:31:07.876 --> 00:31:12.886
I'm not, I don't do any of it for any celebrity or anything along those lines.

00:31:12.886 --> 00:31:13.007
Yeah.

00:31:13.007 --> 00:31:20.446
I truly, the, like, the words that resonate in my mind and in my, my spirit is just you build got a platform, he'll give you a platform.

00:31:20.507 --> 00:31:25.247
That's what my, my pastor says that all the time you build, got a platform, he'll give you a platform.

00:31:25.247 --> 00:31:30.196
So I'm just about trying to build God a platform however he wants to do it.

00:31:30.797 --> 00:31:32.176
My answer is yes.

00:31:32.567 --> 00:31:32.866
Do you

00:31:32.866 --> 00:31:37.396
get to like, be yourself in that way as the pa announcer?

00:31:37.396 --> 00:31:43.817
Like, do you ever get to mention thank God or beyond that or It's kind of Not really.

00:31:43.817 --> 00:31:43.936
No.

00:31:44.477 --> 00:31:45.376
You just, you have to

00:31:45.376 --> 00:31:46.906
kind of keep it pro and Yeah.

00:31:46.967 --> 00:31:47.416
And whatnot.

00:31:47.416 --> 00:31:48.017
No, that's cool.

00:31:48.047 --> 00:31:49.487
And but here you get two.

00:31:49.487 --> 00:31:49.817
I remember.

00:31:50.116 --> 00:31:50.386
Yeah.

00:31:50.717 --> 00:31:52.217
I remember one year I, uh.

00:31:52.906 --> 00:31:59.086
Um, so like my favorite announcements at the arena are what I call, call response ones.

00:31:59.086 --> 00:32:07.067
And so like I'll say Jamal Murray for one, two, and then the crowd will go three, you know, so whatever.

00:32:07.067 --> 00:32:11.297
When I say something and the crowd, they actually, it is like proud work if you're a comedian, right?

00:32:11.297 --> 00:32:11.307
Mm-hmm.

00:32:11.356 --> 00:32:11.686
Yeah.

00:32:12.047 --> 00:32:13.666
And so I, um.

00:32:14.386 --> 00:32:15.076
One year.

00:32:15.076 --> 00:32:18.406
It was early on, I, I was saying, can I get an Amen?

00:32:18.406 --> 00:32:21.211
You know, crowd, crowd responded, amen.

00:32:21.767 --> 00:32:22.156
Right.

00:32:22.156 --> 00:32:26.211
And then they're like, sort, yeah, we got, so

00:32:26.531 --> 00:32:27.436
I was like, okay.

00:32:28.126 --> 00:32:31.217
Well you, you've had, you've got tenure now, so you could do it.

00:32:31.217 --> 00:32:31.547
Amen.

00:32:31.547 --> 00:32:32.386
Once in a while probably.

00:32:32.386 --> 00:32:34.652
Oh, I have, that's good.

00:32:34.652 --> 00:32:35.011
That's good.

00:32:35.011 --> 00:32:35.731
Every now and then.

00:32:37.007 --> 00:32:37.396
I know,

00:32:37.396 --> 00:32:38.267
but it slips out.

00:32:38.596 --> 00:32:39.076
It depends.

00:32:39.707 --> 00:32:45.771
Yo Yoic throws another, you know, full court shot and makes it, can I get right?

00:32:47.446 --> 00:32:47.896
Oh shucks.

00:32:47.896 --> 00:32:48.707
That's interesting.

00:32:49.186 --> 00:32:51.886
Um, and so like what do you do?

00:32:51.946 --> 00:32:53.057
Do you have hobbies?

00:32:53.582 --> 00:32:55.201
Do you go hiking?

00:32:55.201 --> 00:32:57.541
Do you travel with your, with your wife?

00:32:57.541 --> 00:32:57.632
Mm-hmm.

00:32:57.632 --> 00:32:58.771
What's she up to, by the way?

00:32:58.771 --> 00:32:59.041
And Right.

00:32:59.041 --> 00:32:59.672
Does she a name?

00:32:59.852 --> 00:33:00.332
What's her about?

00:33:00.332 --> 00:33:00.392
Her?

00:33:00.392 --> 00:33:00.571
Yep.

00:33:00.571 --> 00:33:02.731
My wife, her, uh, Tamika is her name.

00:33:02.731 --> 00:33:02.821
Tam?

00:33:02.882 --> 00:33:03.481
Yes.

00:33:03.481 --> 00:33:07.951
And so, and actually we're at the same school together, so she works with the elementary Oh, cool.

00:33:07.951 --> 00:33:08.491
School age.

00:33:08.491 --> 00:33:09.481
And I'm with the middle school.

00:33:09.481 --> 00:33:09.872
Yeah.

00:33:09.872 --> 00:33:09.882
Yeah.

00:33:09.902 --> 00:33:12.392
So, um, and she's a counselor as well?

00:33:12.392 --> 00:33:13.741
Mm-hmm.

00:33:13.742 --> 00:33:13.772
Or a teacher?

00:33:13.772 --> 00:33:13.782
Mm-hmm.

00:33:13.782 --> 00:33:13.792
Absolutely.

00:33:13.792 --> 00:33:13.803
Okay.

00:33:13.832 --> 00:33:14.672
Counselor as well.

00:33:14.912 --> 00:33:15.961
And so, but, uh.

00:33:16.487 --> 00:33:24.406
Yeah, we actually, we, we just found that we, we love to go on hikes, so we're, we're starting to ramp up on that a little bit, right?

00:33:24.406 --> 00:33:24.527
You were

00:33:24.527 --> 00:33:27.221
fully invested in children raising and now Absolutely.

00:33:27.221 --> 00:33:27.767
You had a little gap

00:33:27.946 --> 00:33:28.457
season.

00:33:28.457 --> 00:33:30.527
You're like, what do we actually like to do?

00:33:30.527 --> 00:33:31.126
Exactly.

00:33:31.126 --> 00:33:34.547
We've been doing 20 hours a week of kid chasing for 20

00:33:34.547 --> 00:33:42.981
years and all their games and everything, and lots of travel and, and you know, with the club teams and, you know, volleyball may, you soon have, have

00:33:42.987 --> 00:33:46.037
12 grandchildren, so you're once again, up to that level of commit.

00:33:46.186 --> 00:33:46.846
We'll see way.

00:33:48.527 --> 00:33:51.767
But yeah, now we're just, yeah, we love, we love the beach.

00:33:51.767 --> 00:33:55.997
We love, um, something that we did this past summer.

00:33:56.446 --> 00:33:57.257
Um.

00:33:57.977 --> 00:34:03.346
We just took time because we don't, we hardly have any time to watch television.

00:34:03.946 --> 00:34:04.067
Right.

00:34:04.067 --> 00:34:08.536
And so, but we, throughout the entire, there was one series on Netflix.

00:34:08.536 --> 00:34:10.367
It was a, it was a show called Suits.

00:34:10.456 --> 00:34:14.056
And so it was something that we, we uh, we, we wound up watching.

00:34:14.056 --> 00:34:15.317
It had nine seasons.

00:34:15.317 --> 00:34:21.797
And so, oh boy, we, we, throughout the summer, we, like, we tune in every time you had an extra 90 minutes or 60 whatever Yeah.

00:34:21.797 --> 00:34:22.367
And watched episodes.

00:34:22.367 --> 00:34:22.601
Oh, that's funny.

00:34:22.601 --> 00:34:23.536
And so we got caught up in that.

00:34:23.536 --> 00:34:24.617
That was pretty funny.

00:34:25.516 --> 00:34:34.067
And, uh, but yeah, we, we'll do things outside and, and, uh, we love to just, we love, you know, music, jazz, that type of thing.

00:34:34.126 --> 00:34:34.277
Yeah.

00:34:34.637 --> 00:34:38.927
Just spending time with whatever, whatever comes to, to mind.

00:34:39.436 --> 00:34:45.646
Do you wanna zoom into the, uh, the realtime machine now and go back to like little first grade Kyle?

00:34:46.036 --> 00:34:46.726
Oh, first

00:34:46.726 --> 00:34:48.677
grade Kyle was still in New York City.

00:34:48.737 --> 00:34:49.157
Okay.

00:34:49.277 --> 00:34:49.817
And is that where you

00:34:49.817 --> 00:34:50.177
were born?

00:34:50.177 --> 00:34:50.507
Raised?

00:34:50.507 --> 00:34:51.137
Yes.

00:34:51.137 --> 00:34:51.706
Okay.

00:34:51.706 --> 00:34:52.036
Born, born.

00:34:52.036 --> 00:34:53.476
I was, I grew up here.

00:34:54.407 --> 00:34:55.306
I grew up here in Denver.

00:34:55.396 --> 00:34:55.487
Okay.

00:34:55.487 --> 00:34:56.956
We moved here when I was eight.

00:34:57.137 --> 00:34:57.496
Okay.

00:34:57.677 --> 00:34:58.577
And, um, so

00:34:58.577 --> 00:35:00.677
zoom me to New York City'cause you probably remember it.

00:35:00.797 --> 00:35:01.217
I do

00:35:01.277 --> 00:35:02.027
a decent amount.

00:35:02.027 --> 00:35:02.117
I do.

00:35:02.117 --> 00:35:02.806
Absolutely.

00:35:03.226 --> 00:35:06.496
Um, there like, like I said, single parent home.

00:35:06.527 --> 00:35:06.827
Yep.

00:35:06.827 --> 00:35:07.577
Only child.

00:35:07.577 --> 00:35:12.016
Do you, when did your dad separate from the family from day one?

00:35:12.016 --> 00:35:12.347
Never.

00:35:12.347 --> 00:35:13.186
Never was involved.

00:35:13.306 --> 00:35:13.367
Yeah.

00:35:13.367 --> 00:35:19.547
When my mother told, I mean, he was like, I would go, I remember a couple of times spending.

00:35:20.161 --> 00:35:25.322
Uh, like I would spend the weekend with him, but that didn't last very long at all, and so Gotcha.

00:35:25.771 --> 00:35:35.461
Um, my mother, she always told me, she said, when I was born, she knew that he wasn't going to be there, and so she asked God to be my father in the, in the, uh, delivery room.

00:35:35.552 --> 00:35:35.972
Interesting.

00:35:36.242 --> 00:35:38.192
And he had, did she have support?

00:35:39.092 --> 00:35:39.452
Yeah.

00:35:39.452 --> 00:35:41.612
My, so you had grandparents family and Yes.

00:35:41.762 --> 00:35:42.121
There.

00:35:42.601 --> 00:35:49.112
Um, but where we were, we, I'm, I'm from Crown Heights, the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York.

00:35:49.112 --> 00:35:56.972
And, uh, uh, is that good, bad, tough, eh, back then, it wasn't the greatest, it wasn't the worst, but it wasn't the greatest.

00:35:56.972 --> 00:35:57.391
Okay.

00:35:57.391 --> 00:36:00.541
And, um, but she really, she wanted.

00:36:00.947 --> 00:36:04.097
To raise me in a better environment, that's for sure.

00:36:04.097 --> 00:36:05.536
So she got you out of the worst?

00:36:05.597 --> 00:36:06.016
Yeah.

00:36:06.016 --> 00:36:07.907
And it was either here or San Diego.

00:36:07.907 --> 00:36:10.817
And she chose here because we had relatives here at that time.

00:36:10.876 --> 00:36:12.677
And what was her, did she have a

00:36:12.797 --> 00:36:13.817
vocation?

00:36:14.297 --> 00:36:16.431
She was a, a, an everything and everything.

00:36:16.516 --> 00:36:18.556
A secretary at that point in time.

00:36:18.556 --> 00:36:20.266
And office administrator.

00:36:20.297 --> 00:36:20.476
Yep.

00:36:20.507 --> 00:36:22.246
And that's what she did.

00:36:22.246 --> 00:36:22.427
So

00:36:22.427 --> 00:36:28.032
just enough to kind of keep a modest place paid for and maybe some family support here and there.

00:36:28.092 --> 00:36:28.311
Yep.

00:36:28.311 --> 00:36:28.487
I didn't

00:36:28.487 --> 00:36:29.146
know that.

00:36:29.146 --> 00:36:35.987
We, she, my mother, she was my hero because I didn't know that we didn't have it like that.

00:36:36.047 --> 00:36:39.286
You know, she always made sure I had everything I needed.

00:36:39.827 --> 00:36:43.367
Um, we always had a roof over our head and Sure.

00:36:43.606 --> 00:36:44.177
And all of that.

00:36:44.177 --> 00:36:46.067
And she was very consistent with that.

00:36:46.067 --> 00:36:48.556
And, um, she, she sacrificed.

00:36:48.887 --> 00:36:50.411
Everything for me and you.

00:36:50.447 --> 00:36:53.806
I just, she's, she's gone on in heaven now.

00:36:53.956 --> 00:36:54.317
I'm sorry.

00:36:54.317 --> 00:36:55.692
And I just never young for that.

00:36:56.132 --> 00:37:00.197
I always wanted to be able to, to try to repay her, but I could never repay her.

00:37:00.197 --> 00:37:03.467
It's the only, only way I can repay her is to just try to live for Christ.

00:37:03.467 --> 00:37:05.237
Is that as much as possible, is she your

00:37:05.237 --> 00:37:05.447
big

00:37:05.447 --> 00:37:06.137
motivation

00:37:06.137 --> 00:37:06.496
in that

00:37:06.617 --> 00:37:07.217
regard?

00:37:07.367 --> 00:37:07.936
One of them.

00:37:08.086 --> 00:37:09.286
One of them for sure.

00:37:09.347 --> 00:37:12.317
But um, just my love for Christ is Right.

00:37:12.317 --> 00:37:13.456
Thats plenty of motivation too.

00:37:13.456 --> 00:37:13.666
Yeah.

00:37:13.876 --> 00:37:14.992
And so, but I was just so blessed there.

00:37:14.992 --> 00:37:15.617
So what took you guys

00:37:15.617 --> 00:37:16.067
to.

00:37:16.606 --> 00:37:21.902
Well, I guess first, like tell me about like living in New York as an elementary school kid.

00:37:21.902 --> 00:37:22.181
Mm-hmm.

00:37:22.282 --> 00:37:26.297
In those days, you're, this is probably what I time guess the mid eighties or something?

00:37:26.297 --> 00:37:26.987
Early eighties.

00:37:27.016 --> 00:37:28.637
Early eighties, late seventies.

00:37:28.666 --> 00:37:29.056
Okay.

00:37:29.086 --> 00:37:29.356
Okay.

00:37:29.356 --> 00:37:40.637
And so, you know, I, I tell my kids, you know, I, I even in, in kindergarten, I was on the subway and in first grade I was on the subway by myself, you know, and second grade too.

00:37:40.637 --> 00:37:45.916
And, and I took, you know, the train back and forth to school and came home and those types of things.

00:37:45.916 --> 00:37:49.157
I was kind of free range, I guess they call it a latchkey kid or whatever, or whatever.

00:37:49.336 --> 00:37:49.396
Yeah.

00:37:49.396 --> 00:37:51.106
Well, I call it free range because I think

00:37:51.106 --> 00:37:52.157
that's sounds nicer.

00:37:52.186 --> 00:37:56.896
'cause that's the, I was raised too, even though I could have gone home anytime, but they just trusted us to be out.

00:37:56.896 --> 00:37:57.422
Well, Anna and I

00:37:57.422 --> 00:38:02.297
would go to after school, there were like a, a day, not a daycare center.

00:38:02.297 --> 00:38:02.356
Yeah.

00:38:02.356 --> 00:38:04.246
But, um, an afterschool program.

00:38:04.547 --> 00:38:06.586
We would go over there, like a church affiliated.

00:38:06.586 --> 00:38:07.907
Was she actively involved?

00:38:07.907 --> 00:38:07.967
Yeah.

00:38:07.967 --> 00:38:09.257
Were you already at this time?

00:38:09.407 --> 00:38:11.027
She raised me and the church.

00:38:11.086 --> 00:38:11.597
Um.

00:38:12.061 --> 00:38:16.382
And we were at, you know, like that it was called Mission for Today in Brooklyn.

00:38:16.382 --> 00:38:17.762
I think it's still around too.

00:38:18.152 --> 00:38:20.552
Um, that I would go there after school.

00:38:20.552 --> 00:38:23.192
And, um, but yeah, raised in a church.

00:38:23.402 --> 00:38:23.731
St.

00:38:23.731 --> 00:38:26.911
Anthony's is the church that we went to there.

00:38:26.911 --> 00:38:28.351
When we first moved here.

00:38:28.952 --> 00:38:33.692
Uh, we joined a church called New Hope Baptist Church, uh, which is still going today.

00:38:33.692 --> 00:38:34.802
And that was to Denver?

00:38:34.802 --> 00:38:34.891
Mm-hmm.

00:38:35.141 --> 00:38:35.822
Like New York City.

00:38:35.827 --> 00:38:36.056
To Denver.

00:38:36.056 --> 00:38:36.302
To Denver.

00:38:36.302 --> 00:38:36.362
Yeah.

00:38:36.362 --> 00:38:36.692
And what

00:38:36.692 --> 00:38:37.742
precipitated that?

00:38:38.342 --> 00:38:42.902
That was, like I said, just her wanting to raise me in a better environment.

00:38:42.902 --> 00:38:42.961
Yeah.

00:38:42.961 --> 00:38:46.802
And so she left all of that, everything, like started applying

00:38:46.802 --> 00:38:47.851
for jobs in

00:38:47.851 --> 00:38:49.771
Denver or whatever kind of thing?

00:38:49.777 --> 00:38:50.371
Absolutely, absolutely.

00:38:50.402 --> 00:38:50.882
Interesting.

00:38:50.882 --> 00:38:54.092
Her first job was with, um, um.

00:38:54.902 --> 00:38:56.251
Blue Cross Blue Shield.

00:38:56.311 --> 00:38:56.461
Okay.

00:38:56.461 --> 00:39:00.782
I remember the, on Broad Broadway, there's the big silver building there that was there.

00:39:00.782 --> 00:39:03.871
And then, and then it was also during the oil boom.

00:39:04.291 --> 00:39:04.652
Oh.

00:39:04.652 --> 00:39:04.681
Uhhuh.

00:39:04.711 --> 00:39:07.831
And so she worked for a company called Petro Lewis Oil.

00:39:07.862 --> 00:39:08.161
Okay.

00:39:08.161 --> 00:39:12.931
You know, and that was when oil, so she was like a career woman when that wasn't really common yet Right.

00:39:12.931 --> 00:39:13.472
At the time.

00:39:13.472 --> 00:39:13.952
Right.

00:39:14.012 --> 00:39:14.581
Right.

00:39:14.581 --> 00:39:18.601
And so she, uh, but like I said, she, she just, she just,

00:39:18.931 --> 00:39:23.461
she, one of our best friends, uh, my wife's best friend is a single mom of two career women.

00:39:23.686 --> 00:39:24.106
Mm-hmm.

00:39:24.186 --> 00:39:27.121
And it's really impressive when they raise awesome kids.

00:39:27.121 --> 00:39:27.181
Yeah.

00:39:27.302 --> 00:39:30.001
And they also like mm-hmm.

00:39:30.061 --> 00:39:32.672
Can achieve success because that's a big burden.

00:39:32.942 --> 00:39:34.621
And she was she single most of this time?

00:39:34.621 --> 00:39:37.891
You didn't have a stepdad around or nothing like that until

00:39:37.891 --> 00:39:40.561
later in what year?

00:39:40.561 --> 00:39:41.311
My.

00:39:43.306 --> 00:39:45.797
Uh, like seventh grade.

00:39:46.036 --> 00:39:46.277
Yeah.

00:39:46.277 --> 00:39:46.847
Seventh grade.

00:39:46.847 --> 00:39:46.936
Yeah.

00:39:46.942 --> 00:39:51.226
She, she remarried an individual that was from New York that came out here.

00:39:51.646 --> 00:39:52.277
He chased her out.

00:39:52.577 --> 00:39:52.996
Yeah.

00:39:52.996 --> 00:39:54.286
It, it, that didn't work out either.

00:39:54.286 --> 00:39:55.126
It didn't, didn't work out.

00:39:55.126 --> 00:40:00.407
And, um, yeah, by the time I was a freshman in high school, that, that had dissipated as well.

00:40:00.677 --> 00:40:06.706
So talk to me about like your, like you got a new place, you're a big kid.

00:40:06.706 --> 00:40:07.306
Probably.

00:40:07.306 --> 00:40:08.927
Were you a big kid early too?

00:40:08.927 --> 00:40:10.516
So, like seventh grader, you're like six, five.

00:40:10.516 --> 00:40:10.907
I was always tall.

00:40:11.297 --> 00:40:11.746
Wanky.

00:40:11.887 --> 00:40:12.137
Okay.

00:40:12.137 --> 00:40:12.556
Gotcha.

00:40:13.067 --> 00:40:13.336
I always

00:40:13.336 --> 00:40:22.726
one in the class, you know, for the most part all the way throughout in high school there were a couple guys taller than me, but Yeah.

00:40:22.786 --> 00:40:23.237
Yeah, yeah.

00:40:23.242 --> 00:40:24.016
Definitely in grade school.

00:40:24.467 --> 00:40:25.547
And, uh, so was

00:40:25.547 --> 00:40:27.646
basketball always your game too?

00:40:28.007 --> 00:40:30.166
Fell in love with basketball in the fifth grade.

00:40:30.226 --> 00:40:30.617
Okay.

00:40:30.797 --> 00:40:32.237
Um, it, I.

00:40:33.362 --> 00:40:34.382
Picked up my first.

00:40:34.382 --> 00:40:35.617
So by the time you came out right, like mm-hmm.

00:40:35.697 --> 00:40:37.922
Or eighth grade came out in the third grade.

00:40:37.952 --> 00:40:38.672
Third grade, okay.

00:40:38.731 --> 00:40:38.911
Yep.

00:40:38.911 --> 00:40:39.362
Yeah.

00:40:39.541 --> 00:40:46.981
And then, um, but I was, uh, at the, um, in the summertime I would go to a, uh, summer camp, summer day camp Mm, mm-hmm.

00:40:47.402 --> 00:40:49.501
At the central YMCA downtown.

00:40:49.501 --> 00:40:49.512
Mm.

00:40:49.802 --> 00:40:50.072
Mm-hmm.

00:40:50.461 --> 00:40:55.862
And that was where I picked up the basketball for the very first time down there and shooting in that gym down there.

00:40:56.282 --> 00:41:04.831
Um, and that was also around the time when the, uh, Showtime Lakers were, you know, in, in their peak.

00:41:05.791 --> 00:41:07.141
And that, and that really caught my eye.

00:41:07.141 --> 00:41:10.262
And so I fell in love with a Lakers and Magic Johnson at that time.

00:41:10.291 --> 00:41:10.382
Sure.

00:41:10.382 --> 00:41:11.731
So I joined our middle.

00:41:11.731 --> 00:41:13.351
I was more of a Celtics guy myself.

00:41:13.351 --> 00:41:13.621
Okay.

00:41:13.771 --> 00:41:14.016
You know?

00:41:14.851 --> 00:41:15.211
Yep.

00:41:15.391 --> 00:41:16.561
And I, we can talk about that later.

00:41:16.567 --> 00:41:16.817
Mm-hmm.

00:41:16.981 --> 00:41:23.911
But I wore number 33 for Kareem, and I dig it, and I, and that was, that was kind of the start of that.

00:41:23.911 --> 00:41:24.871
And so, but then.

00:41:25.862 --> 00:41:27.692
So I fell in love with those guys.

00:41:27.692 --> 00:41:38.911
And then, um, at our banquet, our athletic banquet, um, Alex English, they brought in Alex English for our, our athletic banquet, and I can't remember who that was.

00:41:39.032 --> 00:41:39.572
Aha.

00:41:39.751 --> 00:41:44.012
Number two, Alex English, he's his number two hangs in the rafters at the arena.

00:41:44.282 --> 00:41:44.641
Oh, sure.

00:41:44.641 --> 00:41:45.001
Yeah.

00:41:45.211 --> 00:41:45.811
Well that was before

00:41:45.811 --> 00:41:46.802
I moved out here and became

00:41:46.802 --> 00:41:47.371
a Nuggets fan.

00:41:47.431 --> 00:41:48.391
Yeah, absolute.

00:41:48.391 --> 00:41:48.992
I'm a Timberwolves

00:41:48.992 --> 00:41:51.836
fan, you know, originally Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

00:41:51.856 --> 00:41:52.077
oh.

00:41:53.012 --> 00:41:56.581
But, uh, that was when I also, well, that's became a Nuggets fan.

00:41:56.641 --> 00:41:56.851
Yeah.

00:41:56.851 --> 00:41:57.362
Yeah.

00:41:57.362 --> 00:41:57.902
As well.

00:41:57.902 --> 00:41:58.382
And Okay.

00:41:58.387 --> 00:42:10.436
And so just in meeting him and, uh, it was awesome because actually last season, uh, we brought him out for a halftime and, and to kind of honor him and recognize Yeah.

00:42:10.442 --> 00:42:14.702
And so I got to meet him and I got to tell him, Hey, you're the reason, you're part of my inspiration, dude.

00:42:15.306 --> 00:42:15.396
Yeah.

00:42:15.902 --> 00:42:16.561
I still have his

00:42:16.561 --> 00:42:17.972
autograph and all of that.

00:42:18.302 --> 00:42:18.871
That's really cool.

00:42:18.871 --> 00:42:19.322
Yeah.

00:42:19.652 --> 00:42:21.391
So were you standout right away?

00:42:22.052 --> 00:42:23.192
Or were you kind of middle?

00:42:23.192 --> 00:42:25.112
You never were really a standout.

00:42:25.172 --> 00:42:25.322
No,

00:42:25.322 --> 00:42:26.731
I was just in, in grade school.

00:42:26.731 --> 00:42:27.967
I was just the tallest kid.

00:42:28.646 --> 00:42:28.887
Right.

00:42:29.106 --> 00:42:30.967
And I just love to play Rebo better, Kyle.

00:42:31.226 --> 00:42:31.447
Yep.

00:42:32.371 --> 00:42:33.152
Don't dribble.

00:42:33.541 --> 00:42:34.532
Stop by or shoot it.

00:42:34.532 --> 00:42:35.012
Just pass

00:42:35.012 --> 00:42:35.161
it to

00:42:35.161 --> 00:42:35.942
our guards.

00:42:35.942 --> 00:42:36.181
Exactly.

00:42:36.661 --> 00:42:36.961
Sorry.

00:42:36.961 --> 00:42:37.472
That's it.

00:42:38.192 --> 00:42:45.961
So, oh, I knew I wanted to play and then when I got to high school, I, um, I went to, uh, Regis High, Regis High School.

00:42:45.992 --> 00:42:46.382
Okay.

00:42:46.891 --> 00:42:48.902
And, uh, tried out for the team.

00:42:48.902 --> 00:42:52.532
I, I made the freshman team at the beginning.

00:42:52.592 --> 00:43:00.181
Um, and then I, um, the next year I made jv and then my junior and senior year I was varsity.

00:43:00.422 --> 00:43:00.512
Mm-hmm.

00:43:00.751 --> 00:43:10.382
And, uh, I had opportunities, I had, you know, I had a, some D one offers or whatever, but my grades, I screwed around.

00:43:10.427 --> 00:43:11.806
I messed up.

00:43:11.896 --> 00:43:13.697
And so like, because you

00:43:13.697 --> 00:43:16.697
had a little too much free range or

00:43:16.876 --> 00:43:17.146
Yeah.

00:43:17.146 --> 00:43:18.086
Just, just not studying.

00:43:18.086 --> 00:43:18.621
I mean, you seemed really

00:43:18.621 --> 00:43:18.862
smart.

00:43:20.242 --> 00:43:21.862
Uh, could have studied, could've got good grades.

00:43:21.862 --> 00:43:21.981
Yeah.

00:43:21.987 --> 00:43:22.936
Wasn't book smart.

00:43:23.657 --> 00:43:28.637
And at Regis it was definitely, you know, more that, much more rigorous and so, yep.

00:43:28.726 --> 00:43:32.626
Um, yeah, I didn't get it done in the classroom the way I should have.

00:43:32.626 --> 00:43:35.387
And so, so D one didn't, yeah.

00:43:35.387 --> 00:43:37.007
I wasn't for too much wasn't eligible.

00:43:37.112 --> 00:43:37.461
Right.

00:43:37.606 --> 00:43:41.626
And at that point in time, it's nowhere near like, what's going on today.

00:43:41.626 --> 00:43:42.106
Right.

00:43:42.317 --> 00:43:47.056
At that point in time you had to become what they called a proposition 48.

00:43:47.237 --> 00:43:48.016
Yeah, I remember

00:43:48.016 --> 00:43:48.257
that

00:43:48.257 --> 00:43:48.737
phrase.

00:43:48.737 --> 00:43:49.186
Yeah.

00:43:49.277 --> 00:43:56.806
And so that meant that you could go, but you'd have to sit out your freshman year to become eligible and so you'd only have three years left.

00:43:56.836 --> 00:43:57.527
Yeah.

00:43:57.617 --> 00:43:58.306
And that was that.

00:43:58.306 --> 00:44:03.117
So, or you could go to a junior college and play and, and so that's what I went the junior college route.

00:44:03.797 --> 00:44:04.726
And that was Gunison?

00:44:05.206 --> 00:44:08.896
No, no, the big metropolis of Torrington, Wyoming.

00:44:08.987 --> 00:44:09.706
Oh dang.

00:44:11.927 --> 00:44:13.157
Colder up there, isn't it?

00:44:13.157 --> 00:44:14.536
Population 5,000.

00:44:14.686 --> 00:44:19.097
Was that a your, well, I guess New York City's kind of cold sometimes too, but not like Torrington.

00:44:19.217 --> 00:44:21.226
Well, Torrington is windy, right?

00:44:21.317 --> 00:44:22.097
And it got cold.

00:44:22.097 --> 00:44:24.827
Cold is cold, but windy and cold is a different thing.

00:44:24.856 --> 00:44:28.606
That New York cold and that East coast and that way more humid and whatnot.

00:44:28.606 --> 00:44:31.336
Yeah, it's cold to the bone fair.

00:44:31.336 --> 00:44:34.036
That, that mid, you know, that, that Kentucky cold.

00:44:34.306 --> 00:44:35.867
Yeah, that's No, no.

00:44:36.257 --> 00:44:36.916
And so,

00:44:37.007 --> 00:44:39.286
but quite a culture shock for you anyway.

00:44:39.286 --> 00:44:44.927
Like you went from one big city to another big city and now you're in 20,000 population Torrington.

00:44:44.927 --> 00:44:45.376
Or five?

00:44:45.376 --> 00:44:47.177
5,005.

00:44:48.766 --> 00:44:50.416
And so, and, and we're there,

00:44:50.536 --> 00:44:51.706
were you a single guy or did you

00:44:51.706 --> 00:44:51.916
have

00:44:51.916 --> 00:44:53.322
a Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely Single guy.

00:44:53.322 --> 00:44:53.481
Yeah.

00:44:53.487 --> 00:44:53.597
Yeah.

00:44:53.782 --> 00:44:56.237
And, and messing around and living it up.

00:44:56.416 --> 00:44:59.507
You know, my, I'm, I'm on my own now and.

00:45:00.347 --> 00:45:01.876
And not locked in.

00:45:01.967 --> 00:45:02.266
Yeah.

00:45:02.387 --> 00:45:06.226
And so missed out on a few more opportunities as well.

00:45:07.336 --> 00:45:14.567
I wound up transferring from there to Adam State and it was Adam State College in Alamosa, Colorado at the time.

00:45:15.166 --> 00:45:15.246
Okay, at Gunison.

00:45:15.246 --> 00:45:15.916
Alamosa.

00:45:15.916 --> 00:45:16.186
Yeah.

00:45:16.217 --> 00:45:17.237
Now it's Adam State

00:45:17.266 --> 00:45:17.836
University.

00:45:17.836 --> 00:45:17.896
Yeah.

00:45:17.987 --> 00:45:18.376
Okay.

00:45:18.467 --> 00:45:23.266
But um, so you got your poop in a group a little bit and got down to Alamosa or they just No.

00:45:23.447 --> 00:45:24.766
Saw your potential in a basketball team?

00:45:25.277 --> 00:45:25.697
No.

00:45:25.697 --> 00:45:26.416
What happened

00:45:26.416 --> 00:45:34.967
was then, that's when I gave I, between Eastern Wyoming and Adam State, is when I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior.

00:45:34.967 --> 00:45:37.907
So you wanted to change the scenery kind changed, yeah.

00:45:38.056 --> 00:45:41.206
I changed overnight, instantly, overnight.

00:45:41.612 --> 00:45:45.422
And, uh, it was June 29th, 1991.

00:45:45.481 --> 00:45:46.052
Yeah.

00:45:46.052 --> 00:45:46.061
Yeah.

00:45:46.291 --> 00:45:50.041
So then I hit Adam State and you know, now I'm just playing.

00:45:50.041 --> 00:45:50.402
Now you're

00:45:50.672 --> 00:45:53.192
kind of playing, living clean.

00:45:53.251 --> 00:45:53.521
Yeah.

00:45:53.521 --> 00:45:54.001
Studying

00:45:54.001 --> 00:45:54.961
more probably.

00:45:54.961 --> 00:45:55.592
Absolutely.

00:45:55.592 --> 00:45:59.342
And we even started when you're not out chasing girls and it Oh, you did?

00:45:59.492 --> 00:46:00.782
Yeah, we started a church there.

00:46:00.782 --> 00:46:00.871
Oh.

00:46:00.871 --> 00:46:02.641
So like, talk to me about that.

00:46:02.646 --> 00:46:02.987
Mm-hmm.

00:46:03.092 --> 00:46:07.467
So like with like the person that led you to Faith or something?

00:46:07.567 --> 00:46:07.786
No.

00:46:07.806 --> 00:46:09.061
Or, so you, yeah.

00:46:09.061 --> 00:46:09.811
Talk to me about that.

00:46:09.811 --> 00:46:11.101
You found Christ

00:46:11.101 --> 00:46:12.782
in Wyoming and then cruised down?

00:46:12.786 --> 00:46:13.322
No, no.

00:46:13.322 --> 00:46:14.791
Found Christ here.

00:46:14.851 --> 00:46:18.331
Uh, there's a ministry called the Voices of Faith, a youth choir.

00:46:18.572 --> 00:46:18.722
Oh.

00:46:18.722 --> 00:46:20.041
And I joined that choir.

00:46:20.041 --> 00:46:25.322
I just loved the way that they sang and I joined that choir and just, they needed baritone or bass or whatever.

00:46:25.322 --> 00:46:25.862
Yeah.

00:46:26.822 --> 00:46:27.782
They always need a bass.

00:46:27.931 --> 00:46:33.782
And our, our leader, uh, she's gone on to heaven now too as well, but Pastor Yvonne McCoy.

00:46:33.782 --> 00:46:33.811
Okay.

00:46:34.112 --> 00:46:35.351
And, and she was a.

00:46:36.077 --> 00:46:39.047
Uh, you know, just a, an amazing woman of God.

00:46:39.047 --> 00:46:42.556
And anyway, she just poured into a lot of young people.

00:46:42.856 --> 00:46:42.976
Yeah.

00:46:43.007 --> 00:46:45.617
And I was just one of them that she poured into.

00:46:45.617 --> 00:46:45.827
Yeah.

00:46:46.367 --> 00:46:57.436
And it was that journey there that, um, where I found myself in my room just asking Jesus to just surrendering, surrendering.

00:46:57.436 --> 00:46:58.637
And it was on that night.

00:46:58.637 --> 00:47:01.126
And so, yeah, when I got to Adam State, yeah.

00:47:01.126 --> 00:47:02.387
There was no more partying.

00:47:02.387 --> 00:47:03.556
All that stuff was done.

00:47:03.556 --> 00:47:09.646
And, um, there was one of the guys that was there, he was a student, but he was on the football team.

00:47:09.947 --> 00:47:11.266
He was also a pastor.

00:47:11.356 --> 00:47:13.637
He was, he was a licensed, you know, pastor.

00:47:13.666 --> 00:47:15.166
He had his, his father's church.

00:47:15.166 --> 00:47:15.916
Was he like a student

00:47:15.916 --> 00:47:17.356
older than average or something, or?

00:47:17.356 --> 00:47:20.896
No, he just grew up in the church and Yeah, his father had a church dial in and

00:47:20.896 --> 00:47:23.536
he was his, one of his, his, you know Sure.

00:47:23.536 --> 00:47:25.606
He was a pastor on, on his father's.

00:47:25.847 --> 00:47:26.056
Yeah.

00:47:26.056 --> 00:47:26.266
Yeah.

00:47:26.266 --> 00:47:34.396
And just, you know, just, and so we just started a, a, a church there and in the student union Uhhuh, and on Sundays we, he was.

00:47:34.757 --> 00:47:37.802
He was the, like the pastor, I was his deacon and yeah.

00:47:37.806 --> 00:47:38.327
Yeah.

00:47:38.416 --> 00:47:41.117
And we would just do Sunday services there.

00:47:41.146 --> 00:47:42.047
And what happened?

00:47:42.317 --> 00:47:46.217
Like just students would come trickle in, we'd have, you know, different ones.

00:47:46.217 --> 00:47:46.306
Did

00:47:46.306 --> 00:47:47.476
it grow and prosper?

00:47:47.476 --> 00:47:49.007
Did like not really.

00:47:49.306 --> 00:47:49.367
Yeah,

00:47:49.427 --> 00:47:51.556
it was just, yeah, just for the student.

00:47:51.556 --> 00:47:56.161
It, like, we didn't take an offering or anything, like all the signs, they were just coming and hear the word.

00:47:56.601 --> 00:47:56.882
Oh, cool.

00:47:56.981 --> 00:47:59.177
And then go, everybody go their separate ways.

00:47:59.237 --> 00:48:01.007
And was it church or was it college

00:48:01.007 --> 00:48:01.577
sanctioned?

00:48:02.476 --> 00:48:06.947
Um, or did you just stand up on the table kind of and start preaching?

00:48:06.947 --> 00:48:08.266
Yeah, they, they, they were

00:48:08.266 --> 00:48:08.896
okay with it.

00:48:08.896 --> 00:48:09.166
Yeah.

00:48:09.166 --> 00:48:09.887
They gave

00:48:09.887 --> 00:48:12.496
us a room upstairs and That's cool.

00:48:12.496 --> 00:48:16.606
It was like a conference room and we, they, you know, there was no one using it anyway, so.

00:48:16.606 --> 00:48:16.697
Right.

00:48:16.697 --> 00:48:18.137
It's super slow on Sundays anyhow.

00:48:18.137 --> 00:48:18.436
Yeah.

00:48:18.621 --> 00:48:18.842
Huh.

00:48:18.887 --> 00:48:19.967
And uh, that's cool.

00:48:20.146 --> 00:48:29.086
Yeah, they allowed us to do that and it was just,'cause the church there didn't feel like for a lot of us didn't feel like home and what we, well did our own thing.

00:48:29.356 --> 00:48:33.286
That was kind of the season of life when.

00:48:34.021 --> 00:48:38.012
It was super uncool to be like a 20 something and go to church like it.

00:48:38.161 --> 00:48:42.331
The churches were all kind of declining and the only thing was, at least in my experience mm-hmm.

00:48:42.331 --> 00:48:43.922
In Minnesota was where I lived at the time.

00:48:43.981 --> 00:48:44.101
Mm-hmm.

00:48:44.402 --> 00:48:46.681
But it was just kind of a declining mm-hmm.

00:48:46.688 --> 00:48:46.907
Thing.

00:48:47.132 --> 00:48:54.902
And Fort Collins, you know, started it a little bit more cool to become going to church when you're, you know, uh, but that was a little bit later.

00:48:54.902 --> 00:48:56.347
It feel like the tide mm-hmm.

00:48:56.666 --> 00:48:57.387
Bottomed out.

00:48:57.572 --> 00:48:59.641
So you were looking for a cool place to go to church.

00:48:59.731 --> 00:49:00.061
Yeah.

00:49:00.061 --> 00:49:00.746
Or for kids to go to church.

00:49:00.751 --> 00:49:01.172
Something that was

00:49:01.172 --> 00:49:02.251
just more relatable.

00:49:02.282 --> 00:49:02.942
Right, right.

00:49:03.092 --> 00:49:09.092
And so we had a little choir, like different, you know, people, just other students and it was just us and we just did it.

00:49:09.271 --> 00:49:10.021
And it's not

00:49:10.172 --> 00:49:11.192
denominational.

00:49:11.192 --> 00:49:17.461
Your, your faith journey is very much because you grew up in the Catholic church, you mentioned at least Catholic school.

00:49:17.461 --> 00:49:17.731
Catholic school, okay.

00:49:17.731 --> 00:49:18.512
But never a Catholic church.

00:49:18.512 --> 00:49:19.262
Baptist church.

00:49:19.262 --> 00:49:20.306
And so Oh, interesting.

00:49:20.416 --> 00:49:21.001
Yeah, yeah,

00:49:21.001 --> 00:49:21.481
yeah.

00:49:21.782 --> 00:49:23.641
And so, but I, you know, I don't get caught.

00:49:23.641 --> 00:49:26.851
I'm the church I, that device is, doesn't matter.

00:49:26.851 --> 00:49:27.391
Denominational.

00:49:28.081 --> 00:49:32.161
There's not gonna be a Baptist section in in heaven or Lutheran.

00:49:32.161 --> 00:49:33.181
You don't think they'll be sitting up

00:49:33.181 --> 00:49:33.572
front?

00:49:33.572 --> 00:49:34.891
I think that, just kidding.

00:49:34.896 --> 00:49:36.931
No, not at all.

00:49:36.931 --> 00:49:39.811
Those the do are sitting in the back just for thinking that I'm just,

00:49:41.342 --> 00:49:42.271
I'm just trying to hear.

00:49:42.271 --> 00:49:42.871
Well done.

00:49:42.871 --> 00:49:43.472
That was all.

00:49:44.072 --> 00:49:45.541
I, Lord, lord have mercy.

00:49:46.021 --> 00:49:46.411
I love it.

00:49:46.411 --> 00:49:48.362
And so, but yeah, that's what we did there.

00:49:48.362 --> 00:49:57.692
And then my senior year is when I got involved with, we had a, a new coach that came in and he brought in, um, FCA Fellowship of Christian athletes.

00:49:57.842 --> 00:49:58.442
Okay.

00:49:58.501 --> 00:50:06.001
And I was, he asked me to be a, in his huddle and, and um, I did that and um, I became.

00:50:06.661 --> 00:50:10.532
Uh, the FCA Colorado Player of the Year or something like those Oh.

00:50:10.532 --> 00:50:11.492
Lines and so, yep, yep.

00:50:11.552 --> 00:50:12.356
That was kind of started.

00:50:12.356 --> 00:50:14.342
You had a good season kind of thing or whatever, and that,

00:50:14.942 --> 00:50:17.311
and then you basically got a kind of a job, right?

00:50:17.311 --> 00:50:17.911
Where you Yeah.

00:50:17.911 --> 00:50:24.632
Right out they were, they were looking for an urban director and, and they, I guess they had had their eyes on me the whole time or whatever.

00:50:24.632 --> 00:50:24.902
Interesting.

00:50:25.036 --> 00:50:33.152
I, I think the area director at that time had identified me as someone that could be that individual, and so they were kind of watching me.

00:50:33.152 --> 00:50:34.021
I had no idea.

00:50:34.021 --> 00:50:34.351
Yeah.

00:50:34.356 --> 00:50:34.396
Yeah.

00:50:35.056 --> 00:50:35.806
But, um, yeah.

00:50:35.806 --> 00:50:36.916
And if you go back to Denver

00:50:36.916 --> 00:50:37.516
now, then

00:50:37.697 --> 00:50:37.817
Hmm.

00:50:37.817 --> 00:50:40.637
As an urban director, is that Yeah, I came back to, to Denver.

00:50:40.637 --> 00:50:40.726
Yep.

00:50:40.786 --> 00:50:45.556
When I graduated, that was my, you probably met your wife the next few years, or where did she come along?

00:50:45.556 --> 00:50:51.137
Met her at church, and so I was singing in the choir, and, uh, I was, because they always knew bass.

00:50:51.137 --> 00:50:51.887
Yay.

00:50:51.887 --> 00:50:55.007
And I was in the top row, and all of a sudden one day I said, Hey,

00:50:55.516 --> 00:50:55.577
hoo.

00:50:56.177 --> 00:50:56.626
Okay.

00:50:56.896 --> 00:51:02.927
And I'm like, all right, I'm supposed to be focused on the lore, but I, hey, can't help but notice that shape.

00:51:03.586 --> 00:51:08.146
And so I, one day I, I went to look for her, didn't find her.

00:51:08.297 --> 00:51:13.036
And then one day I think I went to look for her again and I saw her out there and I was like,

00:51:13.036 --> 00:51:14.717
oh, oh, okay, okay.

00:51:14.717 --> 00:51:16.097
And then I didn't see her again.

00:51:16.606 --> 00:51:26.387
And then our pastor that was there at the church, he had gotten married and I just saw, I was at the wedding reception and I turned around and there she was.

00:51:26.536 --> 00:51:29.836
And she was trying to, uh, go and actually meet.

00:51:30.286 --> 00:51:41.086
With the, the lady that was our, from the Voices of Faith, our leader, she knew her and she was trying to go say hi to her, and then she was in the back office.

00:51:41.086 --> 00:51:42.677
And so I just, I was on staff.

00:51:42.702 --> 00:51:43.041
Oh, I know.

00:51:44.351 --> 00:51:45.001
I'll tell you there.

00:51:45.742 --> 00:51:46.161
How you doing?

00:51:46.302 --> 00:51:48.056
Can I get your number while we're on our way here?

00:51:48.376 --> 00:51:49.097
And I worked it.

00:51:51.262 --> 00:51:51.481
Was

00:51:51.481 --> 00:51:53.896
it like love pretty quick after

00:51:53.896 --> 00:51:55.277
that or, uh, who

00:51:55.336 --> 00:51:55.996
pretty quick?

00:51:55.996 --> 00:51:56.387
Yeah.

00:51:56.416 --> 00:51:56.717
Yeah.

00:51:56.777 --> 00:52:02.476
We, uh, just for me, I, my, I was, I was praying and asking.

00:52:02.476 --> 00:52:03.976
You'd been around for a long time.

00:52:04.007 --> 00:52:04.427
Yeah.

00:52:04.427 --> 00:52:06.137
Nobody felt led like cheated.

00:52:06.916 --> 00:52:07.007
No.

00:52:07.007 --> 00:52:09.407
And, and just, uh, and I just.

00:52:10.157 --> 00:52:18.556
I was just drawn to her and just, you know, I just, she was just, I just, when I met her, it was just an over overwhelming like, sense of peace.

00:52:18.617 --> 00:52:18.737
Hmm.

00:52:18.887 --> 00:52:21.496
You know, like she's just peaceful.

00:52:21.916 --> 00:52:22.067
Huh.

00:52:22.291 --> 00:52:23.806
And, and I just, and

00:52:23.806 --> 00:52:25.967
it hasn't always been that way, but mostly pretty good.

00:52:26.056 --> 00:52:26.416
Sounds like.

00:52:26.416 --> 00:52:26.476
Yeah.

00:52:26.476 --> 00:52:27.077
Right, right.

00:52:27.126 --> 00:52:29.452
Um, well, I mean, that's humans, right?

00:52:29.452 --> 00:52:33.621
Like we're, we're all a little bit up and down side to side, but, uh, she's my boo.

00:52:33.621 --> 00:52:34.431
She's my boo.

00:52:34.972 --> 00:52:35.422
That's cool.

00:52:35.902 --> 00:52:37.012
And, uh, yeah.

00:52:37.012 --> 00:52:38.271
Three kiddos later.

00:52:38.277 --> 00:52:38.427
Mm-hmm.

00:52:38.632 --> 00:52:39.621
20 how many years?

00:52:39.711 --> 00:52:40.101
Married.

00:52:40.626 --> 00:52:41.226
27.

00:52:41.226 --> 00:52:43.027
27, 27.

00:52:43.027 --> 00:52:45.246
Me and Jill are at 22 this year.

00:52:45.342 --> 00:52:45.891
Let's get it.

00:52:45.891 --> 00:52:45.967
Let's get it.

00:52:46.146 --> 00:52:48.246
So it, it's, it's so cool.

00:52:48.336 --> 00:52:49.146
Like mm-hmm.

00:52:49.836 --> 00:52:55.476
I mean, I hate to say it, it's not in all humility, it just feels like the way everybody's supposed to do it.

00:52:55.476 --> 00:52:57.067
It is.

00:52:58.746 --> 00:53:01.476
But gosh, it, it's so uncommon anymore.

00:53:01.476 --> 00:53:10.371
Like right, with 22 years, we're like in the 20th percentile at the wedding thing where you get to keep dancing the longer you have been married and stuff like that.

00:53:10.371 --> 00:53:10.382
Right.

00:53:10.652 --> 00:53:11.492
And there's, right.

00:53:11.737 --> 00:53:11.947
Yeah.

00:53:11.947 --> 00:53:12.367
So it goes,

00:53:12.427 --> 00:53:18.336
we, yeah, we're, we're just at a point where, you know, there's only one way out.

00:53:19.686 --> 00:53:20.016
Right.

00:53:20.137 --> 00:53:20.887
That's the die out.

00:53:21.072 --> 00:53:21.652
That's it.

00:53:22.567 --> 00:53:30.306
But, uh, yeah, no, it, you know, we, we work with other couples and different things like that as well, and, um.

00:53:31.146 --> 00:53:36.067
We're actually in the process of, of, uh, writing our, our a book as well, a marriage book.

00:53:36.067 --> 00:53:38.527
And, and, uh, do you wanna, do you want, is it gonna

00:53:38.527 --> 00:53:40.237
be out like in the spring or anything like that?

00:53:40.237 --> 00:53:41.737
You wanna for foreshadow it a

00:53:41.737 --> 00:53:41.976
little bit?

00:53:41.976 --> 00:53:43.717
We're hoping to have it ready by December.

00:53:43.746 --> 00:53:43.777
Okay.

00:53:43.777 --> 00:53:44.797
By Christmas time.

00:53:44.797 --> 00:53:45.097
All right.

00:53:45.097 --> 00:53:47.856
And then do like a big push if for Valentine's Day.

00:53:47.856 --> 00:53:48.157
Sure.

00:53:48.157 --> 00:53:50.016
You know, like, do you have a title, working title?

00:53:50.286 --> 00:53:51.157
It's called Corporate

00:53:51.157 --> 00:53:51.757
Marriage.

00:53:51.817 --> 00:53:52.836
Corporate Marriage.

00:53:52.836 --> 00:53:53.737
Corporate Marriage.

00:53:54.411 --> 00:53:59.842
I guess that's kinda like working together on the marriage kind of thing, or like why that term?

00:53:59.842 --> 00:54:07.612
It's, it's what I've basically what it, what it was just the, the Holy Spirit was just showing, there's a lot of parallels in, in life.

00:54:08.032 --> 00:54:12.601
Like in basketball we say ball is life because there's so many parallels in basketball mm-hmm.

00:54:12.601 --> 00:54:15.322
Or any whatever sport that you're in, in life.

00:54:15.322 --> 00:54:28.402
And so I, when I, when I got my MBA, I went through a program and, and I started seeing a lot of parallels in my MBA of how that could apply to a household and how that you could apply these principles.

00:54:28.402 --> 00:54:29.871
A lot of to marriage as well.

00:54:29.902 --> 00:54:30.112
Sure.

00:54:30.351 --> 00:54:33.291
Everything from, um, keeping a

00:54:33.291 --> 00:54:34.132
healthy balance sheet.

00:54:34.882 --> 00:54:35.422
Absolutely.

00:54:35.692 --> 00:54:35.992
Yeah.

00:54:36.112 --> 00:54:36.411
Right.

00:54:36.411 --> 00:54:37.311
You know where I'm going.

00:54:37.311 --> 00:54:37.672
Corporate

00:54:37.672 --> 00:54:38.152
culture.

00:54:38.302 --> 00:54:38.601
Yep.

00:54:38.692 --> 00:54:41.722
ROI and communications, KPIs, whatever as well.

00:54:41.722 --> 00:54:41.961
Yeah,

00:54:41.961 --> 00:54:42.291
yeah.

00:54:42.291 --> 00:54:43.072
Absolutely.

00:54:43.072 --> 00:54:43.731
Absolutely.

00:54:43.791 --> 00:54:44.152
And so, well that's,

00:54:44.152 --> 00:54:48.262
there's some things, one of my favorite things to do is actually recruiting.

00:54:48.996 --> 00:54:51.666
Corporate escapees into the small business.

00:54:51.666 --> 00:54:51.757
Mm-hmm.

00:54:51.996 --> 00:54:54.996
Or the mid-size regional, you know, some of the folks you met up there.

00:54:55.001 --> 00:54:55.181
Mm-hmm.

00:54:55.266 --> 00:54:55.327
Mm-hmm.

00:54:55.867 --> 00:55:02.827
Like a lot of them can't pay, you know, the 120 or 140, 50,000 plus benefits that Right.

00:55:02.856 --> 00:55:07.086
Real big corporates like Woodward and whatever else can pay their awesome people.

00:55:07.177 --> 00:55:07.387
Right.

00:55:07.927 --> 00:55:09.427
But they can pay a hundred Right.

00:55:09.487 --> 00:55:12.967
Or 110 and not grind you up into a fine powder.

00:55:13.686 --> 00:55:16.567
Um, but those corporate people bring a lot of skills too, right?

00:55:16.836 --> 00:55:17.106
Absolutely.

00:55:17.106 --> 00:55:22.967
They've got a lot of training, they've got a lot of investment into how to lead, how to manage, how to pay attention to the right things, numbers, mm-hmm.

00:55:22.967 --> 00:55:24.061
Metrics, KPIs.

00:55:24.581 --> 00:55:24.822
Absolutely.

00:55:25.177 --> 00:55:28.327
You know, and, and some of translating some of that to a marriage, isn't it?

00:55:28.327 --> 00:55:28.476
Right.

00:55:28.777 --> 00:55:29.077
Okay.

00:55:29.317 --> 00:55:29.976
Is that what we're doing?

00:55:30.036 --> 00:55:30.606
That's the hook.

00:55:30.697 --> 00:55:31.597
Sorry to jump ahead.

00:55:31.626 --> 00:55:32.916
No, no, that's it.

00:55:33.097 --> 00:55:33.456
That's it.

00:55:33.456 --> 00:55:33.817
Cool dude.

00:55:33.817 --> 00:55:35.166
And so I think that's fun.

00:55:35.317 --> 00:55:35.617
Yeah.

00:55:35.766 --> 00:55:36.222
Do you have like a.

00:55:36.817 --> 00:55:40.327
Like a three parts or five main things, or

00:55:40.626 --> 00:55:43.956
we, it's, uh, broken down in 11 chapters.

00:55:44.016 --> 00:55:44.166
Okay.

00:55:44.166 --> 00:55:49.086
And, and so, but there's like eight, you know, areas that we, we kind of hone in on.

00:55:49.117 --> 00:55:49.507
Yeah.

00:55:49.686 --> 00:55:56.047
And so everything from like corporate governance to human capital and you know, all Yeah.

00:55:56.137 --> 00:55:56.597
So, yeah.

00:55:56.597 --> 00:55:56.922
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:56.942 --> 00:55:58.777
And so we'll see.

00:55:58.867 --> 00:55:59.436
I dig it.

00:56:00.067 --> 00:56:00.487
I dig it.

00:56:00.547 --> 00:56:12.666
But in any case, you know, just for us, you know, just walking through marriage through life as well, you know, for, I always say like, the easiest way I can put it.

00:56:13.536 --> 00:56:18.157
For people with marriage because you know what you were talking about, they don't last.

00:56:18.487 --> 00:56:20.827
And it's, it's, it's so rare.

00:56:20.827 --> 00:56:25.927
But yeah, for us as believers, the only way it lasts.

00:56:25.927 --> 00:56:34.777
You've got, you here, your spouse here, you've got God at the top, and the closer you draw to that triangle, he'll, the closer he brings you together.

00:56:34.782 --> 00:56:35.061
Yeah.

00:56:35.067 --> 00:56:35.317
Yeah.

00:56:35.407 --> 00:56:39.817
That's the, when people say what's the secret of marriage or whatever, you know, they ask that question.

00:56:39.967 --> 00:56:40.896
That's my answer.

00:56:40.902 --> 00:56:45.907
That's, that's one visual thing I always think about is that same thing, like get closer and, and follow.

00:56:45.996 --> 00:56:46.177
Yep.

00:56:46.507 --> 00:56:54.547
Um, and at our marriage, our pastor said, you know, this notion that it's a 50 50 thing is completely stupid.

00:56:54.547 --> 00:56:59.047
If you're not doing a hundred percent, a hundred percent, then you're doing it wrong.

00:56:59.047 --> 00:56:59.286
Exactly.

00:56:59.347 --> 00:57:01.266
You know, and so, exactly.

00:57:01.266 --> 00:57:07.206
Apologies and, uh, uh, sorry to my wife for those times, I went out and wasn't giving my a hundred percent.

00:57:07.507 --> 00:57:08.047
Amen.

00:57:08.166 --> 00:57:08.782
Um, amen.

00:57:08.827 --> 00:57:10.327
And I'll try to do it less.

00:57:10.416 --> 00:57:10.626
Yep.

00:57:11.226 --> 00:57:12.726
I feel like it's a good time for a break.

00:58:02.842 --> 00:58:05.693
And we have a ping pong ball challenge.

00:58:05.722 --> 00:58:08.722
Oh, uh, this is my random question generator.

00:58:09.202 --> 00:58:09.742
All right.

00:58:09.742 --> 00:58:13.373
And so what we're gonna do is have you draw three of these balls out, uhoh.

00:58:13.583 --> 00:58:13.822
Oops.

00:58:13.822 --> 00:58:14.273
I dropped one.

00:58:15.237 --> 00:58:15.777
And, uh.

00:58:16.887 --> 00:58:21.838
Uh, you can answer all three of them and, uh, we'll choose one.

00:58:21.987 --> 00:58:22.288
Alright.

00:58:22.438 --> 00:58:27.027
Um, to be our favorite question and somebody needs to write it and, and we'll give'em a prize.

00:58:27.027 --> 00:58:27.867
So, alright.

00:58:27.958 --> 00:58:29.788
Uh, so just grab three of those out of there?

00:58:29.788 --> 00:58:29.938
Yeah.

00:58:30.838 --> 00:58:33.237
1, 2, 3.

00:58:34.737 --> 00:58:36.418
And you can go in any order.

00:58:36.867 --> 00:58:37.438
All right.

00:58:37.588 --> 00:58:40.288
Highest, lowest, whatever strikes your fancy.

00:58:40.648 --> 00:58:41.907
Wait, this one is blank.

00:58:41.998 --> 00:58:44.007
Oh, that must come from the ping pong.

00:58:45.538 --> 00:58:45.898
The, in the room.

00:58:45.898 --> 00:58:47.038
I picked it up and put it in there.

00:58:47.097 --> 00:58:47.668
Let's go.

00:58:48.237 --> 00:58:50.367
Ah, all right.

00:58:50.577 --> 00:58:50.907
That's, there

00:58:50.907 --> 00:58:51.297
we go.

00:58:51.777 --> 00:58:52.288
That's funny.

00:58:52.858 --> 00:58:53.277
All right.

00:58:53.788 --> 00:58:54.927
I miracle.

00:58:54.927 --> 00:58:55.728
Picked up two random balls.

00:58:55.728 --> 00:58:55.887
Let's do it.

00:58:56.097 --> 00:58:57.027
Numerical order.

00:58:57.237 --> 00:58:57.568
Eight.

00:58:57.838 --> 00:58:58.197
Eight.

00:58:58.498 --> 00:58:59.938
Number of new beginnings.

00:59:00.628 --> 00:59:05.277
What music or artist most reminds you of your childhood?

00:59:06.268 --> 00:59:06.657
Ooh.

00:59:07.378 --> 00:59:08.458
Music or artist?

00:59:08.518 --> 00:59:08.878
Yeah.

00:59:09.327 --> 00:59:10.288
Most reminds

00:59:10.288 --> 00:59:11.262
me of childhood.

00:59:11.262 --> 00:59:14.188
Think you were, what you were, like you said, late seventies.

00:59:14.188 --> 00:59:14.338
Yep.

00:59:14.338 --> 00:59:14.398
In

00:59:14.398 --> 00:59:15.208
New York City.

00:59:15.208 --> 00:59:15.342
So that's.

00:59:15.952 --> 00:59:20.422
So I, I immediately go to, um, Casey in the Sunshine Battle.

00:59:21.023 --> 00:59:21.713
That's cool.

00:59:22.463 --> 00:59:25.027
Shake, shake, shake, shake your boot day boot.

00:59:25.507 --> 00:59:26.588
Shake your booty.

00:59:26.777 --> 00:59:30.052
Yeah, that's because it was disco back then.

00:59:30.052 --> 00:59:31.132
Yeah.

00:59:31.132 --> 00:59:31.143
Yeah.

00:59:31.163 --> 00:59:34.492
Even the Rolling Stones had some disco songs from those days.

00:59:34.523 --> 00:59:35.032
Oh yeah.

00:59:35.032 --> 00:59:35.572
Um, who?

00:59:42.217 --> 00:59:42.507
Yeah.

00:59:42.512 --> 00:59:42.983
Yeah.

00:59:43.668 --> 00:59:46.188
That was there.

00:59:46.188 --> 00:59:46.387
It is.

00:59:46.597 --> 00:59:46.947
Who's,

00:59:49.367 --> 00:59:53.108
that's trying to meet you.

00:59:54.057 --> 00:59:54.347
Okay.

00:59:54.413 --> 00:59:54.802
Thank you.

00:59:54.802 --> 00:59:55.402
That's good.

00:59:55.402 --> 00:59:58.748
So the disco and Casey particularly, that was childhood.

00:59:58.748 --> 00:59:59.027
Yeah.

00:59:59.307 --> 00:59:59.628
I dig it.

00:59:59.632 --> 01:00:00.083
Casey.

01:00:00.083 --> 01:00:00.413
Yep.

01:00:00.563 --> 01:00:01.163
All right.

01:00:01.193 --> 01:00:02.063
Um.

01:00:02.782 --> 01:00:05.813
Anybody else, like since then, do you have any favorite music now?

01:00:05.902 --> 01:00:10.733
I mean, my favorite song, if you come to the arena, you, you hear that one?

01:00:10.762 --> 01:00:11.063
Okay.

01:00:11.123 --> 01:00:11.603
Pause.

01:00:11.603 --> 01:00:12.143
The music.

01:00:12.143 --> 01:00:18.052
Our, our dj, he, whenever, when I walk out of the tunnel, I've got my theme song that I come out to as well.

01:00:18.052 --> 01:00:18.413
Okay.

01:00:18.413 --> 01:00:18.922
What is that?

01:00:19.072 --> 01:00:20.572
It's Cameo Candy.

01:00:22.583 --> 01:00:23.273
You must s that one

01:00:23.693 --> 01:00:24.143
for us a little bit.

01:00:24.143 --> 01:00:24.382
Yeah.

01:00:25.072 --> 01:00:26.512
I'll, I'll, I'll sit back.

01:00:26.577 --> 01:00:26.867
Boom.

01:00:33.367 --> 01:00:34.507
Oh yes.

01:00:38.297 --> 01:00:38.668
Love it.

01:00:38.728 --> 01:00:39.228
It is just

01:00:39.318 --> 01:00:39.668
candy.

01:00:41.148 --> 01:00:41.907
I can feel it,

01:00:41.918 --> 01:00:42.268
right?

01:00:42.498 --> 01:00:42.788
Walk.

01:00:43.047 --> 01:00:43.427
Oh yeah.

01:00:43.427 --> 01:00:45.952
That's, that's, thank you for that.

01:00:46.012 --> 01:00:48.052
That's the Jab Loving it.

01:00:48.143 --> 01:00:48.833
Favorite song.

01:00:49.913 --> 01:00:50.693
That's, that's the one.

01:00:50.693 --> 01:00:52.643
It it, it sets the tone for the night.

01:00:52.748 --> 01:00:53.108
I dig it.

01:00:53.333 --> 01:00:53.932
I dig it so

01:00:53.932 --> 01:00:54.322
much.

01:00:54.773 --> 01:00:56.302
Um, next ball, please.

01:00:56.333 --> 01:00:57.083
All right.

01:00:57.083 --> 01:00:57.563
What are we going for?

01:00:57.563 --> 01:00:57.652
10.

01:00:59.438 --> 01:01:00.487
Quick succession.

01:01:00.818 --> 01:01:05.108
What's a hobby or skill you've always wanted to pick up, but haven't yet?

01:01:06.157 --> 01:01:07.418
That's a good question.

01:01:07.568 --> 01:01:09.103
Uh, kind of exploring that though.

01:01:09.103 --> 01:01:11.438
It's one that, and I don't know that I will ever pick it up.

01:01:11.498 --> 01:01:11.827
Okay.

01:01:12.338 --> 01:01:17.677
I've always, like I said, I would love to surf.

01:01:17.827 --> 01:01:18.188
Oh.

01:01:18.967 --> 01:01:19.987
But not just surf.

01:01:20.018 --> 01:01:23.708
Like I would love to experience what it's like to go through a pipeline

01:01:23.947 --> 01:01:24.338
Oh.

01:01:24.338 --> 01:01:24.577
Where the

01:01:24.577 --> 01:01:25.418
water is just

01:01:25.422 --> 01:01:26.677
totally like big wave surfing.

01:01:26.733 --> 01:01:27.938
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:27.998 --> 01:01:29.047
I would love and not dying.

01:01:30.277 --> 01:01:30.697
Yes.

01:01:30.728 --> 01:01:35.467
You need a lot of practice to do that before you could be not dead, but, but I would, I would've

01:01:35.467 --> 01:01:37.117
loved to have experienced that.

01:01:37.117 --> 01:01:37.358
Well, these

01:01:37.358 --> 01:01:42.068
days though, actually, like you can hire one of those guys that ride the Seadoos.

01:01:42.068 --> 01:01:44.557
I'm not gonna do it just to drop you off wherever.

01:01:44.557 --> 01:01:45.623
You know, as long as you,

01:01:48.818 --> 01:01:53.257
they get into the pipe, how what you do with that pipe is gonna be Yep.

01:01:53.257 --> 01:01:54.128
They can get me there.

01:01:54.128 --> 01:01:54.608
But yeah.

01:01:55.148 --> 01:01:55.568
But yeah.

01:01:55.568 --> 01:01:56.288
The experience.

01:01:56.288 --> 01:01:56.527
What?

01:01:56.648 --> 01:01:56.978
Yeah.

01:01:56.978 --> 01:01:59.108
I could only imagine what that sounds like.

01:01:59.108 --> 01:01:59.257
Yeah.

01:01:59.257 --> 01:02:00.248
It's probably tube.

01:02:00.338 --> 01:02:05.378
Yeah, I bet there's like a certain kind roar that is just unlike anything else.

01:02:05.378 --> 01:02:05.797
Yeah.

01:02:05.827 --> 01:02:07.632
You know, the water just totally like that.

01:02:07.688 --> 01:02:07.987
Yeah.

01:02:08.018 --> 01:02:09.938
So that would've been one.

01:02:10.057 --> 01:02:10.358
Yeah.

01:02:10.867 --> 01:02:11.978
Not, probably not gonna happen.

01:02:11.978 --> 01:02:13.478
Maybe, um, what?

01:02:13.483 --> 01:02:16.447
Those wingsuits might be a similar feeling in some ways.

01:02:16.507 --> 01:02:16.898
Oh.

01:02:16.898 --> 01:02:17.708
Where the people are doing?

01:02:18.547 --> 01:02:19.507
No, I'm not gonna do that either.

01:02:19.748 --> 01:02:21.833
No, that one's not gonna happen.

01:02:22.268 --> 01:02:24.068
I love to swim and yeah.

01:02:24.668 --> 01:02:26.108
Surfing sounds a little more rational.

01:02:26.108 --> 01:02:26.168
Yeah.

01:02:27.367 --> 01:02:28.568
Let's have that last number.

01:02:28.838 --> 01:02:30.367
Uh, 13.

01:02:30.367 --> 01:02:31.597
13.

01:02:32.677 --> 01:02:37.057
What's a book, movie or a podcast that's had a big impact on your life?

01:02:37.117 --> 01:02:38.887
The Bible, the word of God.

01:02:38.918 --> 01:02:39.157
Yeah.

01:02:39.547 --> 01:02:40.057
Period.

01:02:40.057 --> 01:02:41.168
Still is there a book?

01:02:41.918 --> 01:02:47.347
That's a big book, but is there a book, uh, within that, that's been most impactful to you?

01:02:47.407 --> 01:02:48.068
And maybe let's mm-hmm.

01:02:48.307 --> 01:02:51.398
Let me, let me get an Old Testament fave and a New Testament

01:02:51.398 --> 01:02:51.728
fave.

01:02:52.148 --> 01:02:57.998
Um, old Testament would be, well, definitely in the 23rd Psalm.

01:02:58.057 --> 01:02:58.748
That's one.

01:02:59.347 --> 01:03:01.088
I was kind of raised on that one.

01:03:01.088 --> 01:03:04.628
Every Thanksgiving we, we had to recite that as well.

01:03:04.717 --> 01:03:06.818
Is that the walk us me through green pastures thing?

01:03:06.818 --> 01:03:07.538
Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:07.538 --> 01:03:07.898
Yeah.

01:03:07.898 --> 01:03:07.907
Yeah.

01:03:07.958 --> 01:03:10.057
The Lord is my shepherd shall not, I shall not want.

01:03:10.117 --> 01:03:10.327
Mm-hmm.

01:03:11.108 --> 01:03:19.088
Um, other than that Old Testament, I mean, I, so would you say the whole book of Psalms or the Yeah.

01:03:19.148 --> 01:03:20.467
Sal and Proverbs?

01:03:20.708 --> 01:03:20.918
Yeah.

01:03:20.978 --> 01:03:21.307
Yeah.

01:03:21.307 --> 01:03:21.907
Proverbs.

01:03:21.907 --> 01:03:26.262
Like, there's many times where I'll just do a proverb a day.

01:03:26.882 --> 01:03:27.302
Mm-hmm.

01:03:27.382 --> 01:03:28.838
And you know, just the book of wisdom.

01:03:29.077 --> 01:03:29.347
Yeah.

01:03:29.407 --> 01:03:31.208
Um, but there, there's just.

01:03:32.108 --> 01:03:32.918
Just so many.

01:03:33.907 --> 01:03:34.237
Yeah.

01:03:34.568 --> 01:03:37.148
Like Isaiah, all the prophecies going on there.

01:03:37.148 --> 01:03:37.157
Mm-hmm.

01:03:37.233 --> 01:03:43.027
And there's just no way that, you know, that, that Jesus, I mean, he's just fulfilled like, oh my gosh.

01:03:43.027 --> 01:03:43.418
That was my

01:03:43.418 --> 01:03:47.047
first, uh, season in, uh, Bible study fellowship.

01:03:47.052 --> 01:03:47.092
Mm-hmm.

01:03:47.233 --> 01:03:49.027
Uh, right after I became a Christian.

01:03:49.027 --> 01:03:51.907
But then we studied the history of Israel in the minor prophets.

01:03:52.538 --> 01:03:52.568
Mm.

01:03:52.568 --> 01:03:53.467
I was like, oh, yeah.

01:03:53.472 --> 01:03:53.693
Yeah.

01:03:53.693 --> 01:03:54.012
Mm-hmm.

01:03:54.092 --> 01:03:54.333
Mm-hmm.

01:03:54.608 --> 01:03:55.748
Made the right decision.

01:03:55.748 --> 01:03:57.967
I kind of, I kind of made the decision on faith.

01:03:58.177 --> 01:03:58.447
Yep.

01:03:58.597 --> 01:04:02.498
And then I got so much more information to justify my faith.

01:04:02.932 --> 01:04:03.132
Absolutely.

01:04:03.277 --> 01:04:03.608
Absolutely.

01:04:03.608 --> 01:04:04.297
It was like the,

01:04:04.327 --> 01:04:05.648
the one two punch for me.

01:04:05.648 --> 01:04:06.398
Mm-hmm.

01:04:06.458 --> 01:04:09.818
And then two others that stand out for me in the book.

01:04:10.538 --> 01:04:11.617
The Book of Esther.

01:04:11.623 --> 01:04:12.012
Mm-hmm.

01:04:12.307 --> 01:04:14.137
I did a study on that one recently.

01:04:14.137 --> 01:04:14.532
God is not mentioned.

01:04:14.918 --> 01:04:15.398
Right.

01:04:15.458 --> 01:04:17.797
And he's not mentioned, but he was there all along.

01:04:17.827 --> 01:04:18.248
Totally.

01:04:18.637 --> 01:04:18.998
Woo.

01:04:19.057 --> 01:04:19.958
I'm getting my arm.

01:04:19.958 --> 01:04:20.498
Yeah.

01:04:20.498 --> 01:04:21.907
Just standing up on that way.

01:04:21.907 --> 01:04:23.108
It's a total favorite of mine.

01:04:23.108 --> 01:04:24.697
He orchestrated the whole thing.

01:04:24.697 --> 01:04:25.148
Right.

01:04:25.148 --> 01:04:26.918
That's just, oh man.

01:04:26.918 --> 01:04:27.097
That's.

01:04:27.893 --> 01:04:29.873
And then the book of Jonah.

01:04:30.563 --> 01:04:39.023
I was, I, there was a revelation at that one at the very end that that's, that's where, you know, we, God's word is alive.

01:04:39.023 --> 01:04:49.518
It's the living and the, when you read the book of Jonah, when you, if when you get to the end, you under, you realize he's talking to you, the reader mm-hmm.

01:04:49.818 --> 01:04:50.632
At the end there.

01:04:51.083 --> 01:04:59.963
And so in the, the New Testament, for me it's, uh, the book of Romans that's, uh, that was the one, especially the seven chapter and then the eight chapter.

01:04:59.963 --> 01:05:00.083
It's,

01:05:00.117 --> 01:05:06.713
it's like the, the comprehensive, uh, overall study guide to the New Testament in some ways.

01:05:06.802 --> 01:05:07.132
Absolutely.

01:05:07.132 --> 01:05:08.572
You know, Hebrews a little bit is like that.

01:05:08.572 --> 01:05:08.663
Mm-hmm.

01:05:08.663 --> 01:05:09.862
But Romans even more so.

01:05:09.867 --> 01:05:10.157
Yeah.

01:05:10.313 --> 01:05:10.612
Yeah.

01:05:10.882 --> 01:05:12.742
I was just thinking about Jonah a little bit and.

01:05:15.353 --> 01:05:17.813
I'm self critiquing myself a little bit.

01:05:17.813 --> 01:05:22.853
I feel like I might still be in the reluctant Jonah part of my journey.

01:05:22.972 --> 01:05:23.242
Yeah.

01:05:23.273 --> 01:05:36.682
You know, I know God's got a special hand on me and has blessed me in different ways that are spectacular, but I haven't probably given myself as fully as you have and been as dedicated in some ways, and I'm not kicking and screaming.

01:05:36.802 --> 01:05:37.043
Yeah.

01:05:37.072 --> 01:05:39.143
You know, I'm going along for the ride, but maybe not.

01:05:39.802 --> 01:05:39.893
Mm-hmm.

01:05:39.893 --> 01:05:43.012
Pushing for his will be done, you know, where, where it can

01:05:43.012 --> 01:05:43.672
impact it.

01:05:43.913 --> 01:05:48.353
There's a little bit of Jonah, I should probably read a and everybody, I should probably read that book a little more closely.

01:05:48.353 --> 01:05:56.902
Perhaps every, just whenever, wherever, wherever, wherever you find yourself, where the, you find yourself, where the Holy Spirit is taken.

01:05:56.902 --> 01:05:58.463
You just roll with it.

01:05:58.733 --> 01:05:58.972
Yeah.

01:05:59.032 --> 01:05:59.663
Roll with it.

01:06:00.503 --> 01:06:04.373
Let me ask you about, um, most important men in your life.

01:06:04.432 --> 01:06:04.793
Mm-hmm.

01:06:05.182 --> 01:06:08.693
Um, you, you've mentioned, you know, a dad that wasn't really there, a stepdad.

01:06:08.697 --> 01:06:08.728
Mm-hmm.

01:06:08.807 --> 01:06:08.818
Mm-hmm.

01:06:09.262 --> 01:06:12.262
But you must have had some amazing male influences along the way.

01:06:12.563 --> 01:06:13.313
Absolutely.

01:06:14.063 --> 01:06:19.492
Um, so like I said, God, my mother said, she asked that God to be my father.

01:06:19.492 --> 01:06:19.552
Yeah.

01:06:19.552 --> 01:06:22.853
And he was in so many different ways, and he still is to this day.

01:06:23.213 --> 01:06:32.512
Uh, my current, my pastor now Pastor Alvin Simkins, he's a definitely a, a a a a even father, 50-year-old.

01:06:32.512 --> 01:06:33.262
Something year old perhaps.

01:06:33.262 --> 01:06:34.043
Absolutely.

01:06:34.047 --> 01:06:34.248
Yeah.

01:06:34.253 --> 01:06:34.492
Yeah.

01:06:34.523 --> 01:06:42.172
He's someone I can go to, you know, just words of wisdom or whatever, or just for me, I'm visual, so I'm just, I just observe him.

01:06:42.177 --> 01:06:42.288
Mm-hmm.

01:06:42.447 --> 01:06:51.802
I observe how he's gone through tragedy and different things and how he walked through that with the Lord and how, and it just has taught me so much.

01:06:51.802 --> 01:06:51.862
Yeah.

01:06:52.373 --> 01:06:59.302
And he's just always, he's a, um, always pouring into men and, and he's just poured into me.

01:06:59.302 --> 01:07:03.052
And, and so there's, you know, individuals like him, um.

01:07:03.878 --> 01:07:12.728
Um, one, another pastor that, uh, he, he just recently passed away, uh, Reverend Peters, um, from New Hope Baptist Church.

01:07:12.728 --> 01:07:14.378
He was a father figure for me.

01:07:14.737 --> 01:07:28.507
Um, there were certain, there was a couple of deacons that were there, deacon Ely and, uh, deacon Henderson that, uh, that, you know, my mother was able to call on them during some dark patches and, you know.

01:07:28.597 --> 01:07:28.958
Yeah.

01:07:28.958 --> 01:07:32.108
Can you, can you speak to them and speak to, you know, right.

01:07:32.108 --> 01:07:33.847
When you were being an naughty kid, you mean?

01:07:33.847 --> 01:07:34.387
Absolutely.

01:07:34.867 --> 01:07:37.237
That was part of why you weren't getting good grades, I reckon.

01:07:37.268 --> 01:07:37.838
Totally.

01:07:37.898 --> 01:07:38.438
Totally.

01:07:38.467 --> 01:07:38.768
Yeah.

01:07:38.768 --> 01:07:45.967
But, you know, at just different points and, and then there was just people that I looked up to that I, you know, they didn't know that I was looking up to'em.

01:07:45.967 --> 01:07:46.748
I just, yeah.

01:07:47.108 --> 01:07:47.978
From a, from a distance.

01:07:48.367 --> 01:07:50.648
Um, and, uh.

01:07:51.472 --> 01:07:54.353
Yeah, I would just watch, watch how they carried themselves.

01:07:54.358 --> 01:07:54.713
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:54.713 --> 01:07:55.222
Or whatever.

01:07:55.222 --> 01:07:59.483
And, and so there's, um, you know, just lots of people like that.

01:07:59.813 --> 01:08:07.402
And then, uh, being in a, in a single parent home, but being an only child, yeah.

01:08:07.733 --> 01:08:10.342
Back then I, I watched a lot of television.

01:08:10.523 --> 01:08:10.943
Okay.

01:08:11.483 --> 01:08:14.063
And so, you know, uh.

01:08:14.648 --> 01:08:18.037
There was a fictional character, but the Cosby Show Sure.

01:08:18.037 --> 01:08:23.318
You know, for me, you know, oh, bill Cosby, he was, he was the man, Keith Cliff Huxtable.

01:08:23.648 --> 01:08:25.703
He was, he was a father figure for me, man, it's such a

01:08:25.707 --> 01:08:28.177
tragedy that he had all those acqui.

01:08:28.207 --> 01:08:31.627
I, I used to, I was in speech when I was a, like a seventh, eighth grader.

01:08:31.632 --> 01:08:31.703
Mm-hmm.

01:08:32.438 --> 01:08:35.978
And I always gravitated towards the Bill Cosby stuff.

01:08:35.978 --> 01:08:36.037
Yeah.

01:08:36.042 --> 01:08:44.887
And, and one of my speeches where I killed it was, uh, was my favorite line of his was, I don't know, the secret to success.

01:08:44.917 --> 01:08:45.337
Mm-hmm.

01:08:45.637 --> 01:08:48.667
But the secret to failure is to try to please everybody.

01:08:48.667 --> 01:08:48.677
Mm.

01:08:50.287 --> 01:08:51.323
And you can't quote that anymore.

01:08:51.323 --> 01:08:55.837
'cause it's a Bill Cosby quote and it is not Proverbs and it's not Romans, but Right, right.

01:08:55.957 --> 01:08:57.188
He was a smart dude.

01:08:57.188 --> 01:08:57.488
Yeah.

01:08:57.698 --> 01:08:58.387
At insightful.

01:08:58.393 --> 01:08:59.467
And I, I learned a lot.

01:08:59.557 --> 01:08:59.768
Yeah.

01:08:59.768 --> 01:09:00.007
Yeah.

01:09:00.097 --> 01:09:00.698
I learned a lot.

01:09:00.698 --> 01:09:01.177
That's cool.

01:09:01.837 --> 01:09:07.087
Um, are you open to the, to talking about race relations?

01:09:07.342 --> 01:09:08.608
And Yeah.

01:09:08.613 --> 01:09:08.752
Yeah.

01:09:09.047 --> 01:09:09.533
I mean, yeah.

01:09:09.622 --> 01:09:10.222
A little bit.

01:09:10.252 --> 01:09:10.372
Yeah.

01:09:10.403 --> 01:09:15.292
Like I could see that, you know, Scott Kissel was a brother from another mother when you guys were interacting and stuff.

01:09:15.353 --> 01:09:15.472
Yeah.

01:09:16.012 --> 01:09:17.752
You've been in an urban environment.

01:09:17.757 --> 01:09:17.967
Mm-hmm.

01:09:18.047 --> 01:09:18.408
Mostly.

01:09:18.828 --> 01:09:19.247
Mm-hmm.

01:09:19.552 --> 01:09:24.592
You know, we're five years removed from the BBL M days and stuff, all that stuff.

01:09:24.653 --> 01:09:24.712
Yeah.

01:09:24.712 --> 01:09:31.643
Are we better, worse, is the same as when Obama took office 20 years ago or whatever.

01:09:31.643 --> 01:09:32.932
It's been like, yeah.

01:09:32.962 --> 01:09:33.353
How do we

01:09:33.353 --> 01:09:33.922
get there?

01:09:33.922 --> 01:09:41.033
Like, I think our, you know, the, the landscape I, for me, I don't really expect for it to get better.

01:09:41.063 --> 01:09:41.363
Hmm.

01:09:41.872 --> 01:09:45.533
You know, the, that's part of prophecy, the devil's place

01:09:45.533 --> 01:09:49.403
in the world is to keep a, a stick in that pot or something.

01:09:49.972 --> 01:09:51.052
It's a simple world

01:09:51.203 --> 01:09:52.283
we, that we live in.

01:09:52.283 --> 01:09:54.773
And so I don't, I don't expect for it to get better.

01:09:55.162 --> 01:09:55.733
Um.

01:09:56.363 --> 01:10:00.472
I fully anticipate the second coming of our Lord and Savior.

01:10:00.472 --> 01:10:00.592
Yeah.

01:10:01.222 --> 01:10:07.703
And, and so I don't have those expectations, you know, there's lots of different voices and all that.

01:10:08.092 --> 01:10:09.502
Um, but, but yeah.

01:10:09.502 --> 01:10:10.103
Interesting.

01:10:10.188 --> 01:10:10.478
Okay.

01:10:10.733 --> 01:10:11.212
Yeah.

01:10:11.273 --> 01:10:15.802
For me, as far as race go, I, I was raised there.

01:10:16.103 --> 01:10:21.502
Like I said, there was lots of people that took me in, that my mother relied on.

01:10:21.502 --> 01:10:21.863
Yeah.

01:10:22.252 --> 01:10:23.872
And they were from every race.

01:10:23.903 --> 01:10:24.832
I wondered about that.

01:10:24.837 --> 01:10:24.877
Yeah.

01:10:24.983 --> 01:10:25.042
Yeah.

01:10:25.042 --> 01:10:30.082
And so one of my father figures were the Knicks and the Pritchards.

01:10:30.082 --> 01:10:32.033
And those are Caucasian brothers.

01:10:32.063 --> 01:10:32.363
Yeah.

01:10:32.842 --> 01:10:37.818
And um, also the Medina and Yeah.

01:10:38.182 --> 01:10:42.743
And they, they all took me, there was a lot of people that played a role in my life.

01:10:42.747 --> 01:10:42.938
Yeah.

01:10:42.943 --> 01:10:43.162
Yeah.

01:10:43.162 --> 01:10:45.382
And, and so for me.

01:10:46.222 --> 01:10:51.472
I, I love just being a part of, you know, multiple races and whatnot.

01:10:51.653 --> 01:10:59.393
Even where we live in, in Denver, it's, it's like a, there's like different cultures and different people that are there and whatnot.

01:10:59.483 --> 01:10:59.722
Yeah.

01:10:59.722 --> 01:11:00.472
And so, yeah.

01:11:00.472 --> 01:11:00.483
Yeah.

01:11:01.073 --> 01:11:10.643
This is a sensitive question,, but it feels to me like back in those days, like there actually was quite a bit more racism almost from whites to black.

01:11:11.078 --> 01:11:11.497
Mm-hmm.

01:11:11.578 --> 01:11:11.842
But I don't know.

01:11:11.903 --> 01:11:14.898
My, the question is, and that's why we can censor it if you want to mm-hmm.

01:11:14.978 --> 01:11:20.632
Is do you think there's more racism from whites to black or black to whites in today's world?

01:11:20.632 --> 01:11:23.783
'cause in some ways it feels kind of, yeah.

01:11:23.813 --> 01:11:24.472
Both ways.

01:11:24.533 --> 01:11:26.603
Uh, more magnified.

01:11:26.932 --> 01:11:28.283
And that's what I would say.

01:11:28.283 --> 01:11:30.172
I think it's probably both ways.

01:11:30.262 --> 01:11:36.712
Um, was it that way then, like was there racism from blacks to wakes in the early nineties, or was that not as much of a thing?

01:11:37.222 --> 01:11:41.363
It's just for me, it just wasn't my experience wasn't your experience anyway.

01:11:41.393 --> 01:11:44.603
I mean, I did experience racism, I did experience that.

01:11:44.722 --> 01:11:56.302
Um, you know, I, I, you know, I know I've had the conversation, you know, the police conversation and the tending to, and, and you're a big, and I've scary black guy, right?

01:11:56.662 --> 01:11:56.722
Yeah.

01:11:56.728 --> 01:12:05.063
I've, I've had that, but I'm also like, for whatever reason, I, I, I just, I pray that it's just a Christ in me.

01:12:06.082 --> 01:12:08.842
People feel safe ish.

01:12:09.143 --> 01:12:12.052
Welcome to, and open to, to approach me.

01:12:12.057 --> 01:12:12.167
Yeah.

01:12:12.167 --> 01:12:12.287
Yeah.

01:12:12.292 --> 01:12:12.533
Yeah.

01:12:12.832 --> 01:12:16.103
And it doesn't, and it doesn't matter who they are, doesn't matter to you either.

01:12:16.103 --> 01:12:16.493
No.

01:12:16.493 --> 01:12:21.592
And I mean, but I've experie, I've, yeah, I've experienced different things, but I just.

01:12:22.898 --> 01:12:23.467
I don't know.

01:12:23.528 --> 01:12:26.887
I just, I think I'm, I, I don't know.

01:12:26.887 --> 01:12:29.332
I just have the love of Christ in my heart.

01:12:29.337 --> 01:12:29.438
Right.

01:12:29.528 --> 01:12:30.877
Well, and I, I'm thinking about my

01:12:30.877 --> 01:12:33.997
own church when I, when I ask that question apart because mm-hmm.

01:12:34.238 --> 01:12:36.877
Like, we've got a pretty multicultural church mm-hmm.

01:12:36.884 --> 01:12:39.007
Little church, 250 people or something.

01:12:39.158 --> 01:12:39.337
Mm-hmm.

01:12:40.328 --> 01:12:43.417
Not that many black couples, not that many white couples.

01:12:43.417 --> 01:12:43.427
Right.

01:12:43.427 --> 01:12:46.238
Not that many Asian couples, but a lot of mixed race couples.

01:12:46.243 --> 01:12:46.332
Mm-hmm.

01:12:46.552 --> 01:12:49.853
Um, and there's, in my mind, no sense of Right.

01:12:49.853 --> 01:12:50.797
Any kind of racist stuff.

01:12:50.797 --> 01:12:53.828
We're all sons and daughters of Christ in that building especially.

01:12:53.828 --> 01:12:54.247
Yeah.

01:12:54.757 --> 01:12:56.287
That's kind of where I am with it.

01:12:56.408 --> 01:12:56.707
Yeah.

01:12:56.707 --> 01:13:00.097
I don't ignore, you know, history or anything.

01:13:00.457 --> 01:13:01.898
I don't take it for granted.

01:13:01.898 --> 01:13:10.167
I don't, um, uh, I don't, uh, I'm not living bitter or anything like that.

01:13:10.167 --> 01:13:10.412
Right, right.

01:13:10.533 --> 01:13:12.698
I, I, I'm just focused forward.

01:13:12.698 --> 01:13:13.988
That's part of turning a new chapter.

01:13:14.018 --> 01:13:14.318
Yeah.

01:13:14.648 --> 01:13:15.217
Not even that.

01:13:15.217 --> 01:13:16.068
You ever had that much.

01:13:17.092 --> 01:13:20.033
Life and, and time is, is precious.

01:13:20.092 --> 01:13:20.363
Yeah.

01:13:20.603 --> 01:13:24.712
And so for me that's, it's just not a focus of mine.

01:13:24.712 --> 01:13:25.337
Sure, sure.

01:13:25.342 --> 01:13:27.052
I really, yeah.

01:13:27.052 --> 01:13:28.012
I was just like in prison,

01:13:28.012 --> 01:13:29.542
everybody's the same race mostly.

01:13:29.632 --> 01:13:31.252
Is there racism in prisons?

01:13:31.252 --> 01:13:40.372
You had that ministry going for a long time or Probably, but I, I, we, we weren't like, were your prison teams you were playing, was it a mix of whites and Hispanics and blacks and whatever?

01:13:40.377 --> 01:13:40.658
Yeah, they were.

01:13:41.182 --> 01:13:41.483
Yeah.

01:13:41.632 --> 01:13:45.172
I dunno, to me that just feels like part of the, we're all the same camp here.

01:13:47.393 --> 01:13:47.453
Yeah.

01:13:47.457 --> 01:13:50.783
That's, or on the inside, you know, that's the same class much more than Yeah.

01:13:50.842 --> 01:13:51.922
They were the prison race.

01:13:52.012 --> 01:13:52.403
Right.

01:13:52.408 --> 01:13:52.738
Kind of.

01:13:53.207 --> 01:13:53.497
Yeah.

01:13:54.137 --> 01:13:54.497
I don't know.

01:13:54.497 --> 01:13:55.297
That's intriguing.

01:13:55.297 --> 01:13:55.578
Mm-hmm.

01:13:55.792 --> 01:13:58.762
And I hope you're not, I don't sense any offense in these questions.

01:13:58.762 --> 01:14:01.853
I'm just curious as a sociologist, armchair guy of

01:14:01.853 --> 01:14:02.302
sorts.

01:14:02.302 --> 01:14:03.682
Maybe it's just Yeah.

01:14:03.682 --> 01:14:10.853
That my experiences that for, I was fortunate where lots of people took me in.

01:14:10.943 --> 01:14:11.033
Yeah.

01:14:11.033 --> 01:14:13.733
Lots of people played a role in, in my life.

01:14:14.677 --> 01:14:17.738
And they just so happened to be people of different colors.

01:14:17.797 --> 01:14:18.247
Yeah.

01:14:18.247 --> 01:14:18.257
Yeah.

01:14:18.518 --> 01:14:19.717
And my color too.

01:14:19.722 --> 01:14:20.287
Right, right, right.

01:14:20.287 --> 01:14:22.868
And so it was, it was every color.

01:14:22.868 --> 01:14:25.957
And, and I think maybe that was mean.

01:14:25.957 --> 01:14:26.828
All of our experiences

01:14:26.828 --> 01:14:31.957
have kind of a, a Joseph coat, kind of a experience of many colors, right?

01:14:32.167 --> 01:14:32.797
Mm-hmm.

01:14:32.858 --> 01:14:33.247
I don't know.

01:14:33.307 --> 01:14:36.278
I think it's'cause I grew up in white bread, North Dakota, like.

01:14:36.637 --> 01:14:38.212
There was one black person in my region.

01:14:38.217 --> 01:14:39.247
Oh, when you say that too, region.

01:14:39.247 --> 01:14:39.488
You know

01:14:39.488 --> 01:14:43.778
my, so my uncle was the first black veterinarian in North Dakota.

01:14:43.837 --> 01:14:43.957
Oh,

01:14:43.957 --> 01:14:44.828
is that right?

01:14:45.097 --> 01:14:45.787
Interesting.

01:14:45.877 --> 01:14:46.658
He lived, when

01:14:46.658 --> 01:14:48.698
it was called, he lived in Powers Lake.

01:14:48.908 --> 01:14:49.387
Okay.

01:14:49.478 --> 01:14:53.167
Which is about 70 miles in some direction from Minot.

01:14:53.287 --> 01:14:54.158
Oh wow.

01:14:54.908 --> 01:14:55.207
Probably

01:14:55.238 --> 01:14:55.597
so.

01:14:55.688 --> 01:14:57.097
West of Minot maybe.

01:14:57.097 --> 01:14:59.408
I'm from about 70 miles south and east of Minot.

01:14:59.467 --> 01:14:59.948
Okay.

01:15:00.037 --> 01:15:00.608
Yeah.

01:15:00.967 --> 01:15:02.497
I don't, I don't know where exactly.

01:15:02.497 --> 01:15:03.667
Do you know why not Minot?

01:15:04.417 --> 01:15:05.137
Uh, why not?

01:15:05.137 --> 01:15:06.728
Minot freezes the reason.

01:15:06.757 --> 01:15:07.537
Okay.

01:15:07.537 --> 01:15:11.557
I believe that there's an Air Force base up there and, uh oh.

01:15:11.618 --> 01:15:12.337
Yep, yep, yep.

01:15:12.488 --> 01:15:14.707
That's probably, I went there once to visit him.

01:15:14.797 --> 01:15:15.518
Okay, cool.

01:15:15.523 --> 01:15:15.533
Mm-hmm.

01:15:15.653 --> 01:15:15.893
Mm-hmm.

01:15:15.972 --> 01:15:16.172
Yeah.

01:15:16.172 --> 01:15:16.332
Yeah.

01:15:16.332 --> 01:15:16.613
Mm-hmm.

01:15:16.693 --> 01:15:19.417
So, so you've experienced, was it summertime, so, oh yeah.

01:15:19.537 --> 01:15:19.868
Okay.

01:15:21.938 --> 01:15:22.537
Nothing wrong with the winter.

01:15:22.537 --> 01:15:25.297
No, don't mess with the winter in North Dakota.

01:15:25.868 --> 01:15:28.177
Are you ready for our, it was July 4th as a matter of fact.

01:15:28.177 --> 01:15:28.387
Oh yeah.

01:15:28.478 --> 01:15:28.837
Perfect.

01:15:28.837 --> 01:15:32.228
With that week, that's like, yeah, the fireworks, you can't even shoot em until like 10 30.

01:15:32.228 --> 01:15:33.637
'cause it's still light outside.

01:15:33.637 --> 01:15:33.847
Yeah.

01:15:34.778 --> 01:15:37.988
The low co experience is our namesake of the podcast.

01:15:38.018 --> 01:15:38.108
Mm-hmm.

01:15:38.347 --> 01:15:45.518
And so that's, uh, for us, the closing segment as well, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.

01:15:46.207 --> 01:15:47.118
Ooh, I have to think of that one.

01:15:47.872 --> 01:15:53.962
And it might be a moment, could be a near death experience just about get run over by a semi on I 70 when you were hitchhiking.

01:15:53.962 --> 01:15:54.382
I don't know.

01:15:54.382 --> 01:15:58.103
Oh, uh, getting called by God at this moment in time.

01:15:58.103 --> 01:15:59.542
I remember I got hit by a motorcycle.

01:15:59.603 --> 01:15:59.813
Oh.

01:16:01.297 --> 01:16:03.563
If, if that's I was being disobedient.

01:16:03.863 --> 01:16:07.193
Was, and that was, as a kid, I was riding a, my bike in City Park.

01:16:07.222 --> 01:16:08.573
I wasn't supposed to be there.

01:16:08.632 --> 01:16:09.143
Okay.

01:16:09.233 --> 01:16:13.943
And, uh, it was myself and my next door neighbors and we were riding our bikes.

01:16:13.943 --> 01:16:17.182
It's, that's back when kids rode their bikes all over the place.

01:16:17.422 --> 01:16:17.512
Right.

01:16:17.512 --> 01:16:18.143
And, and so bring it back.

01:16:18.342 --> 01:16:18.792
Bring it back.

01:16:18.792 --> 01:16:19.182
Yeah.

01:16:19.512 --> 01:16:20.172
We did that.

01:16:20.563 --> 01:16:22.483
And so this is in Denver, I guess not New York.

01:16:22.483 --> 01:16:22.752
Yep.

01:16:22.752 --> 01:16:23.113
Denver.

01:16:23.113 --> 01:16:24.462
Denver City Park there.

01:16:24.462 --> 01:16:27.222
And, and, uh, was trying to cross one of the streets.

01:16:27.222 --> 01:16:34.962
And this guy, they used to have like city park, the roads there used to be open and there'd be cars in there and all of that.

01:16:34.962 --> 01:16:35.443
And yeah.

01:16:35.443 --> 01:16:35.453
Yeah.

01:16:35.453 --> 01:16:38.712
So some guy was flying on his motorcycle and, and I got hit.

01:16:39.018 --> 01:16:39.347
Oh, dang.

01:16:39.967 --> 01:16:41.082
And so I got busted.

01:16:41.773 --> 01:16:41.983
Oh.

01:16:41.983 --> 01:16:43.842
I was more concerned about getting in trouble.

01:16:44.047 --> 01:16:44.787
You snuck out?

01:16:45.648 --> 01:16:45.868
Yes.

01:16:46.807 --> 01:16:47.268
And what

01:16:47.427 --> 01:16:47.467
happened?

01:16:47.488 --> 01:16:48.853
Did you break any bones?

01:16:48.853 --> 01:16:49.627
You go down, he broke.

01:16:49.648 --> 01:16:49.868
No,

01:16:49.872 --> 01:16:51.703
he broke his collarbone and all that.

01:16:51.703 --> 01:16:54.613
I came away with that little scratch out there.

01:16:55.363 --> 01:16:56.382
No, that was it.

01:16:56.863 --> 01:16:59.563
And I was just more nervous and scared about getting in trouble.

01:16:59.563 --> 01:17:00.462
Did you, did you get away with it?

01:17:00.523 --> 01:17:01.587
Like No, no.

01:17:01.632 --> 01:17:04.363
There was, cops got grounded stuff and whatever else got grounded.

01:17:04.422 --> 01:17:04.993
Yeah.

01:17:05.268 --> 01:17:08.323
I, I got my bike taken away for like a year.

01:17:08.712 --> 01:17:09.283
Wow.

01:17:09.313 --> 01:17:09.582
Yeah.

01:17:09.643 --> 01:17:10.422
Oh dang.

01:17:10.422 --> 01:17:11.233
It was a tough one.

01:17:11.472 --> 01:17:12.432
What's your mama's name?

01:17:12.472 --> 01:17:13.733
Hi, Shirley.

01:17:13.738 --> 01:17:14.037
Shirley.

01:17:14.247 --> 01:17:14.717
Spell her.

01:17:14.717 --> 01:17:14.877
Shirley.

01:17:14.882 --> 01:17:15.082
Yeah.

01:17:15.082 --> 01:17:16.432
I wish you were still with us.

01:17:16.462 --> 01:17:16.552
Yeah.

01:17:16.643 --> 01:17:19.792
Um, and uh, thanks for being strict with this boy.

01:17:19.912 --> 01:17:20.092
Yep.

01:17:20.302 --> 01:17:24.262
'cause he might've got into a lot more trouble if it wouldn't have been for that strong mama.

01:17:24.262 --> 01:17:24.622
Sure.

01:17:24.622 --> 01:17:24.832
Would've.

01:17:25.703 --> 01:17:30.052
Um, do you have any subjects, does jour your book name again?

01:17:30.052 --> 01:17:33.113
Do you wanna repeat that for We're gonna close up this show here.

01:17:33.292 --> 01:17:33.382
Sure.

01:17:33.382 --> 01:17:34.792
Corporate marriage c corporate marriage.

01:17:34.792 --> 01:17:36.502
Look for that early next spring.

01:17:36.533 --> 01:17:36.773
Yeah.

01:17:36.773 --> 01:17:38.813
Get it for your wife for Valentine's Day.

01:17:38.813 --> 01:17:38.872
Yeah.

01:17:38.872 --> 01:17:42.323
If you're a good God-fearing man and it comes out in time.

01:17:42.743 --> 01:17:43.493
Yeah, exactly.

01:17:44.438 --> 01:17:44.677
I know.

01:17:44.677 --> 01:17:46.372
Those last edits and stuff are always fun.

01:17:46.372 --> 01:17:47.573
Just wanna pour into people.

01:17:47.752 --> 01:17:47.993
Pour

01:17:48.082 --> 01:17:53.662
and that's something that my wife and I were able to, to come together and do and so it'll be special.

01:17:53.752 --> 01:17:58.432
Oh, you'd probably turn it into like a workbook or something else too, to kind of, yeah.

01:17:58.432 --> 01:17:58.502
I don't have its workbook.

01:17:58.557 --> 01:18:01.432
I remember our time of uh, uh.

01:18:02.228 --> 01:18:03.247
Premarital counseling.

01:18:03.247 --> 01:18:03.337
Mm-hmm.

01:18:03.578 --> 01:18:04.988
You know, I was a young Christian.

01:18:04.988 --> 01:18:06.217
I wasn't raised in the church.

01:18:06.278 --> 01:18:06.368
Mm-hmm.

01:18:06.608 --> 01:18:13.778
But I was searching and then also met this very beautiful Christian girl, and so that accelerated my process a little bit.

01:18:14.228 --> 01:18:15.007
Get a room.

01:18:15.997 --> 01:18:17.377
Well, but not until you're married.

01:18:17.467 --> 01:18:18.608
Yeah.

01:18:18.757 --> 01:18:20.273
But, but that time of coaching.

01:18:21.563 --> 01:18:24.832
Well, and even recognizing that couple had been together for 30 years.

01:18:24.922 --> 01:18:25.103
Mm-hmm.

01:18:25.462 --> 01:18:27.863
Um, you know, you're approaching that number here shortly.

01:18:27.953 --> 01:18:28.073
Mm-hmm.

01:18:28.313 --> 01:18:28.323
Mm-hmm.

01:18:28.493 --> 01:18:30.592
And like, you're not, yes.

01:18:30.592 --> 01:18:33.057
You're married to the same person, but not the same person.

01:18:33.198 --> 01:18:34.103
Not really, you know?

01:18:34.103 --> 01:18:34.193
Right.

01:18:34.493 --> 01:18:37.042
We've literally have changed like all of ourselves.

01:18:37.042 --> 01:18:37.132
Yep.

01:18:37.132 --> 01:18:38.422
Like three times by now.

01:18:38.422 --> 01:18:38.872
Absolutely.

01:18:38.872 --> 01:18:39.893
You're up on four.

01:18:40.372 --> 01:18:40.703
Absolutely.

01:18:40.703 --> 01:18:44.457
You know, so you aren't the same person, you don't have the same pursuits, the mm-hmm.

01:18:44.783 --> 01:18:47.453
The mother of three young children's.

01:18:47.603 --> 01:18:47.783
Right.

01:18:47.813 --> 01:18:50.752
One of which is nursing is a whole different mm-hmm.

01:18:50.993 --> 01:18:54.143
Psyche and metabolism and mix of Right.

01:18:54.382 --> 01:18:55.042
Everything.

01:18:55.193 --> 01:18:57.143
Everything than this mama That right.

01:18:57.143 --> 01:18:57.353
Is.

01:18:57.813 --> 01:18:59.372
Waiting for more grandkids Right.

01:18:59.372 --> 01:19:01.203
To, you know, or whatever.

01:19:01.207 --> 01:19:06.962
We, we found, um, old, you know, home videos back, you know, that we shot with a camcorder.

01:19:07.323 --> 01:19:07.353
Mm.

01:19:07.353 --> 01:19:07.653
Right.

01:19:07.743 --> 01:19:15.573
And so we found a box of them and we were able to, and I actually have the cam, so I was able to, you know, hook it up to the television, help you get rid of them, and Oh, I.

01:19:16.882 --> 01:19:18.467
Hook it up to the television and Oh, cool.

01:19:18.528 --> 01:19:22.493
And we were just watching and just reminiscing and like in tears, you know?

01:19:22.493 --> 01:19:22.802
Yeah, yeah.

01:19:22.802 --> 01:19:26.632
And then just looking, looking at like how young we were and, and what

01:19:26.632 --> 01:19:27.502
was on that guy up there

01:19:27.502 --> 01:19:28.403
couldn't even grow a

01:19:28.403 --> 01:19:29.063
goatee.

01:19:29.122 --> 01:19:29.722
That's you.

01:19:29.783 --> 01:19:30.412
That's me.

01:19:31.132 --> 01:19:31.193
Yeah.

01:19:31.193 --> 01:19:32.962
My beautiful wife looks the same.

01:19:32.993 --> 01:19:33.983
Yeah, I know, right?

01:19:34.972 --> 01:19:38.243
I can't do the center part anymore because the hairline won't support it.

01:19:38.273 --> 01:19:38.783
Hair.

01:19:38.842 --> 01:19:39.052
What?

01:19:39.052 --> 01:19:39.172
Hair?

01:19:41.287 --> 01:19:41.507
It

01:19:41.507 --> 01:19:42.948
looks like you've got something going on there.

01:19:43.368 --> 01:19:43.988
You keep it clean.

01:19:44.057 --> 01:19:44.347
Yeah.

01:19:45.082 --> 01:19:47.483
Just over the years it looks like eyebrows is what I grown out.

01:19:47.483 --> 01:19:47.722
Exactly.

01:19:47.722 --> 01:19:47.813
Yep.

01:19:47.962 --> 01:19:48.802
That was back then.

01:19:49.823 --> 01:19:50.542
Way back.

01:19:51.382 --> 01:19:59.243
Do you have any advice for like a young Christian man listening to that whatever his place in life, he's mm-hmm.

01:19:59.483 --> 01:20:01.162
You know, 15 to 22.

01:20:01.552 --> 01:20:01.882
Yeah.

01:20:02.122 --> 01:20:02.512
Setting his

01:20:02.512 --> 01:20:03.023
pointer.

01:20:03.653 --> 01:20:07.193
Abso the advice is, yeah, to build.

01:20:07.193 --> 01:20:10.462
If you build God a platform, he'll give you a platform.

01:20:11.182 --> 01:20:15.052
Whatever you do, you know, the scriptures work as unto the Lord.

01:20:15.563 --> 01:20:16.103
Um.

01:20:16.868 --> 01:20:19.448
But yeah, whatever you're doing.

01:20:19.778 --> 01:20:24.818
Like for me, the thing I tell young people all the time, you were uniquely created.

01:20:24.818 --> 01:20:28.028
There's something that you can do that no one else could do.

01:20:28.033 --> 01:20:29.377
Nobody else in the world is gonna do quite like you.

01:20:29.828 --> 01:20:32.078
Um, some of us have many talents.

01:20:32.228 --> 01:20:35.047
Some of us may have two, one big focus, right?

01:20:35.318 --> 01:20:36.217
Whatever it is.

01:20:36.608 --> 01:20:40.747
But do it as unto the Lord, use it because God gave that to you.

01:20:40.898 --> 01:20:43.028
That's a part of your purpose.

01:20:43.033 --> 01:20:43.233
Yeah.

01:20:43.238 --> 01:20:43.328
Yeah.

01:20:43.328 --> 01:20:52.328
A lot of times, especially as young men, we're always trying to figure out our purpose and, and we do that even as older men and whatnot, but that's a part of it.

01:20:52.537 --> 01:20:56.108
It's a part of what God is placed in you.

01:20:56.198 --> 01:20:56.978
So work it.

01:20:57.682 --> 01:20:58.313
Dig work at.

01:20:58.643 --> 01:21:02.993
I have a, I'm in the Rotary Club and we have a vocational service award that's coming up here soon.

01:21:02.993 --> 01:21:03.082
Mm-hmm.

01:21:03.323 --> 01:21:08.243
And if you were in my Rotary Club, I would nominate you for the vocational service award.

01:21:08.518 --> 01:21:08.738
Aww.

01:21:10.162 --> 01:21:11.273
So, hey, sure.

01:21:11.273 --> 01:21:11.693
Appreciate

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B Pal.

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Thank you.

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Absolutely.

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God bless.

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God bless you.

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God bless you.

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You be blessed.

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Give'em heaven.