EXPERIENCE 237 | Walk in Faith with Kyle Speller - Public Address Announcer and Team Chaplain for the Denver Nuggets & More!

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Kyle Speller has been the voice of the Denver Nuggets team, chaplain and Community Ambassador for over two decades.

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He's the founder of KSG Voice, a middle school counselor and athletic director at Global Village Academy in Aurora.

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Also an associate pastor.

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Husband, father, grandfather, and servant of Christ.

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Kyle has an inspiring journey and was a very insightful guest, so please join me in enjoying my conversation with Kyle Speller.

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Let's have some fun.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Kyle Speller.

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Kyle has a lot of titles.

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He's the PA announcer for the Denver Nuggets, as well as the team chaplain.

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He is the founder of KSG Voice.

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He's a middle school counselor for a school.

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He'll tell us about, he's a husband, a father, and a servant of Christ.

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Hey, there it is, and I'm so honored to have you here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You might be the most famous person to be on the show.

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Okay.

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Yeah, probably I would that, I mean, we had, we had Heidi gal on, I had Heidi on Heidi Gal when she was running for governor.

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Oh, she's the Camp Bow Wow.

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Founder.

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Okay.

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We didn't really talk about the gubernatorial run.

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We talked about her entrepreneur journey.

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Right, right.

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Uh, which was very mm-hmm.

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Spectacular and awesome faith guided as well.

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Mm.

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But thanks for honoring me with, uh, a local celebrities presence.

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Oh wow.

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Okay.

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You're pretty fancy.

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We'll take that.

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If you feel me fawning over you.

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You, I like to say flattery will get you everywhere with me.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it's probably less effect.

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Um, tell us about, uh, like how you spend your time.

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It's approaching basketball season.

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Mm-hmm.

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So maybe we can start there.

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Like how does that impact your, your rhythm and

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routine?

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Yeah.

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For me actually right now, I'm like really excited'cause I'm excited about this team that we've got now.

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I feel like we've got a lot of parts that we've been needing and, um, you know, can we talk about that a little bit?

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A little insider's analysis?

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Sure.

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I mean.

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Not, not, I, I don't have that much inside.

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Yeah.

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I, I just, I've got what, pretty much, but tell me what you see someone else has, but for me, yeah.

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Just being able to finally say that we have depth mm-hmm.

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Um, that, you know, that guys that can come, doesn't come to all ride on Yoic kind of thing.

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Right.

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Guys that can come in and contribute big time.

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We've got, we've got shooting, we've got defense, we've got depth, we've got, and we, we have a, a real, uh, backup center that, um, I'm so excited to, to have him.

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The, the reason why is because I've always seen Yoic go against him, and I've seen the way he's played him, and so I'm like, he, he's with us now.

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He's tough.

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Yeah.

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And so, um, yeah, that's, it's gonna be awesome.

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It's worth

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it keeping him on the bench just to keep him outta Yoko's face.

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Hey, I just can't, I'm teasing whoever you are,

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but, uh, yeah.

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So looking forward.

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Looking forward to this season.

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I'm, I, you know, I, I definitely would love to have a couple more parades.

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Can we,

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uh, can we jump into, before we get into the life of, of the voice mm-hmm.

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And all the different things you do.

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I wanna talk about nuggets because mm-hmm.

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Like being the team chaplain mm-hmm.

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I can imagine is a really unique place.

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And without breaking any non immunity or anything, is, is faith a pretty big component of this team?

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I'm sure it's very diverse from backgrounds.

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Well, what it is like, or how does that work?

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Yeah.

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In the NBA, it's a little bit different than the other leagues.

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Like, uh, for the NFL, there's a team chaplain and they're just, that they only work with their team.

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Same thing with MLB.

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Okay.

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Um, and, and NHL as well.

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But in the NBA, we have a unique, um, opportunity where we are able to have both teams come together.

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The whoever wants to participate or whoever wants to take part in child service comes together.

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And so we do that.

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And so Oh, like before a game?

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Before every, every game.

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Before every game.

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Both teams From both or players?

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From both teams?

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, interesting.

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Yeah.

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And so it's a pretty special dynamic because it allows us to build, you know, relationships throughout.

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Yeah.

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Because guys in the league, you know, trade deadline guy, they're here and then they're gone.

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Right, right.

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And, but that's a way to maintain

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that.

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Well, in a lot of times those backroom contacts and things, not gonna say backroom, but it is in your case, almost a backroom contact.

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Yeah.

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You're like, Hey, you should actually get this guy.

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Both because of his basketball ability, but also he's just a great, honorable guy, you know?

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Yeah.

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And he'd be great on the team or whatever.

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Yeah.

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No, not really.

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The

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owners and managers don't care about all that stuff.

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No, not at all.

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Because they're, they're not involved in it.

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They look at the numbers.

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Yeah.

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Not involved in that part of it all.

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So it's very anonymized.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's a sacred time.

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It's a sacred time.

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Is it like, I don't wanna talk percentages, but is it, like, are half of NBA players kind of Facebook people?

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No, I wouldn't say that.

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20%, 30%.

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So like that, it just kind of fluctuates.

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And you don't have to

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be to participate.

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Right, right.

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I assume.

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And you don't have, there's no like, real hard number either.

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There's guys that are, it's hard to be that famous and that rich.

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Right.

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Well, and believe God is, needs to be too big of a party of your life, it feels like.

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No, I wouldn't say that either.

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I think it's just based on, you know, their, their roots and who he's called and who their foundation is and, and just their journey all along the way.

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Right, right.

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And so there's guys.

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Plenty of guys that, you know, they came from nothing.

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They're, they're, they, they were raised, uh, in the church and continue on.

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There's guys that find Christ along the way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's just whatever the Holy Spirit is doing.

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But overall, it's not really a culture of faith so much.

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Mm.

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In, in the, I wouldn't say that either.

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Okay.

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Because everybody is kind of got their own Right.

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It just depends on the individual, what's their drivers.

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And so some, some people come to chapel, but some people.

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Uh, just do things at their locker.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so for me, the role as a chaplain though, is not just for the players, it's for the team as a whole, and it's for the actual arena, I would say as a whole.

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I, I kind of say the, the arena is kind of my, my, the, my, my church or what.

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Yeah.

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And, and what I mean by that is, is really, you know, the fan, everyone from the fans to ushers, to security, to the officials, to players, to, to greeters, to coaches, whoever, whoever needs prayer at that point in time.

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It is, it's up for me as a chaplain to just be obedient to whatever the Holy Spirit is.

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Well, and even in your role

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as an announcer with all the kids watching and all this and that, to be honoring to God in that mm-hmm.

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And the way that you talk about other players and teams and stuff, I imagine it's a, it should be instinctual and it seems like mm-hmm.

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You've developed that very strongly.

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Yeah.

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I.

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For me.

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I, like I said, I'm just trying to be obedient.

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Yeah.

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Whatever, whatever the Lord, my, my prayer before I walk in the building every game is, Lord, don't allow them to see me or hear me.

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Allow them to see you and hear you and whatever it is that I'm doing.

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Yeah.

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And just cause me to sit down and you rise up and you be glorified.

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I love the way you talk about that and just whatever, whoever, whoever, it doesn't matter if it's the, the person in the back hallway that you don't see that's, you know, guarding the stairwell.

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Right.

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That no one sees, no one cares about stocks, the hot dog, buns, whatever.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, that person needs Christ too.

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And, and so it's up for me to, if the Lord is saying, go talk to that person, go pray with that person to do it.

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And so, yeah.

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Cool.

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I dig it.

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Well, you, uh, joined us, uh, and gave kind of an opening exercise for our next Level summit a few weeks ago.

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Oh yeah.

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And, uh, how did it go?

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How did it go?

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Oh, it was great.

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It was awesome event, and so Awesome.

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Thanks for kicking it off.

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Good.

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And, and Richard did a great job in the workshop in the afternoon and yeah, a good time was by all, I've got his book, so I can't wait to read that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, and you met a bunch of our people and stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, shared a bunch of insights on, on trust and mm-hmm.

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Man, not to jump right into current events, but crazy day to day with Charlie Kirk being killed.

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I haven't heard any of that.

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You haven't heard in the middle school the entire day.

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Okay.

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Yeah, so like I, I just wrote my blog about trust'cause and kind of the heels of that mm-hmm.

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And the distrust of the wealthy and different polarizations.

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But yeah.

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Charlie got assassinated in the middle of, you have to forgive me.

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Who's Charlie?

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Charlie Kirk is, uh, he's kind of a.

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A, a college campus, um, political debater kind of guy, very trumpy kind of guy and stuff.

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I think

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I've seen some of his videos.

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Yeah.

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He's a younger guy right?

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He took 31 years old.

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Yeah.

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Father of a

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couple.

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And like I, I just Yeah.

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Got captivated by some of the videos.

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Just different ones, um, you know, different subject matter.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like there'd be people like yelling at him.

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Right.

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You

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know,

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and

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stuff like that.

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He's kinda like the most hated figure on the right by the left.

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So he's gone.

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He's gone.

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Yeah.

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He got shot through the throat today while he was debating about, uh, violence from the left.

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Jesus.

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Um, and it's just gonna increase the mistrust, um, in our country so much.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, and so anyway, I've been knowing that and doing that as part of why I poured a shot of bourbon in my coffee today.

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Wow.

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So I just, uh, well, I do it for my podcast pretty regular, just to grease the skids.

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But it's a sad thing and I'm, I'm, I'm nervous.

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It feels like a nine 11 kind of moment where things aren't gonna be quite the same going forward.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um,'cause when you get to violence like that, you know, it's just, yeah.

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I mean, Trump was crazy.

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I mean, Trump's crazy a little bit, right?

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And so somebody thinking he was crazy enough to shoot on him was sad, but un explainable a little bit, you know?

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And that's what circuit services for, is for those kind of folks.

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But if regular people can't talk about what they think without risking, getting shot at, that's a sad day.

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I mean, the world we live in now, it's just for me personally, I pray over my children, my wife and myself, every day before we even walk out of the house.

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I always just pray a covering over them.

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And that's, that's a part of, because it's a routine for you tomorrow, tomorrow's not promised to anyone.

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And, and, you know, it could, you could be driving in traffic and someone pull up on you and, and all of that.

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And, and, uh, that's just, that's just horrible.

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That's just horrible.

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Sorry to hit you with that.

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Um, and wow, it's just been on my mind a little bit.

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Mm-hmm.

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'cause it's, I'm, I'm a philosopher at heart a little bit.

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Mm-hmm.

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And a sociologist, I think.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I, I don't, I don't know where it goes, you know, it's hard to predict.

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Mm.

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Hopefully nowhere dumb.

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Mm.

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You know, we always have to be able to talk it out.

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That's the point.

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Right.

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You know, and, and to attack those that.

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Spend most of their time talking and debating, you know, it's just such a crushing thing.

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So was it, was it, was it live or something?

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Oh yeah.

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His wife was there.

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A bunch of people were there.

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It was a live event in front of thousands, and somebody then, they haven't caught the person they shot from a building a couple hundred yards away.

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Ooh.

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And yeah, like right through the back of his, like right through his throat, basically while he was talking.

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Mm-hmm.

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Sorry about that.

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Mm.

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Yeah, that's So it's a nervous day.

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Yeah.

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And we can clean some of this up if we decide to, but it's also an interesting place to just process things when things are fresh.

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Mm-hmm.

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So how old are your

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kids?

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I've got twin, 23-year-old sons.

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Okay.

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A 26-year-old daughter.

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And yeah, I think about that type of stuff.

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Just all the time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just, you know, just, just because you just never know.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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You know, for, for us, obviously, we're just like, well, just make sure you know where you're going.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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If, if, if, yeah.

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Yeah.

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When,

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when, when your time is up.

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When, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just make sure, am I, let's make sure we meet Peter.

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Ticket, punch and validated meet.

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Yeah, we meet, meet, we meet in eternity and in, in, with our Heavenly Father.

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And so

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I'm gonna circle back to your, your faith component a little bit and where you kind of.

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Mm.

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Develop kind of an abiding faith you mentioned mm-hmm.

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Catholic roots in our previous conversation and stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I wanna, I wanna hold off on that because I wanna catch an idea of the spread of, go back to the question I first asked.

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Mm-hmm.

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What's your life look like a little bit?

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Not just the chaplain stuff mm-hmm.

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Not the PA stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like more from a timeline, what's a week look like?

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Are you still a full-time counselor or near full-time counselor?

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Yeah.

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When you're the nuggets announcer.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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Okay.

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Middle school counselor, um, guidance counselor.

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I make sure to clarify that, but, um, by day, um,

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so it's more like, not kids having big problems, it's more of like career counseling and focusing and stuff or Yeah.

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Just support

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for them at, at the school.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm kind of like, you know, I'm in the city and so a lot of, a lot of children, they don't necessarily have.

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A lot of male role models, and so I get to be that individual and, you know, preferably make an impact in their lives.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I always said I never wanted to work with middle schoolers and uh, God's got jokes, so, so I'm there and, um, um, but yeah, by day that's where I am.

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And then, you know, during the, during the season, I head straight from there down to the arena.

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Okay.

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Um, there's things I do for the nuggets during, you know, through as a community ambassador as well, and so I'll go and Okay.

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Speak at schools.

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You're there pretty regularly.

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Um, yeah, well just kind of for the games, but also outside that, yeah.

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There are boots on the ground and as well, and so that

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includes probably

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in the off season too.

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Absolutely.

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They'll hook you up with an elementary school to go talk to or this or that or whatever.

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Our rotary club.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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We'll

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do stuff for, you know, like Special Olympics or Yeah.

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You know, different things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, um, just to have our presence there.

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And so, so there's that.

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Um, and then, yeah, full-time husband and father as well.

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Um, but the kids, the kids are most, they're outta the nest, I presume, like it's them kids now.

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Yeah.

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And so no grandkids yet.

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I have one grandfather.

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One granddaughter, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, and so, uh, just, you know, just trying to pour into all of them and, you know, their, their situations are different now, now that they're adults, you know, it's just more about trying to continue to be a voice of wisdom Yeah.

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In, in their lives and, and, uh, just continuing, continuing to pray for'em.

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And, and, um, other than that, um, just spending time with, with my wife and.

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And just kind of keeping other places spin.

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Well, you do a

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little bit of this, a little bit of that, you know, like mm-hmm.

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The talk you had for us, and I'm sure you Absolutely.

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Maybe mc events occasionally through that.

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I just gotta request this earlier and I gotta check the calendar on that one.

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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Keeping busy.

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And you're an

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associate pastor?

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Mm-hmm.

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Or something like that as well.

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And so they're at service on a weekly basis for, for the most part.

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And yeah, I'm kind of the, uh, one of the ones, if our pastors has to be gone or whatever, I'm he'll every six weeks or something.

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Somebody else has to give the servant and put something together.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I like it.

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But yeah, just serving, just serving, just serving.

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That's, that's all.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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When the Nuggets games

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close up, like they're, what do you mean they go until 11:00 PM or 10:00 PM or, oh,

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yeah.

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It depends on when we start, right?

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So a 7:00 PM game.

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Then I'm leaving the arena about 10 30 or so.

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Okay.

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Uh, and eight, I guess say a quote unquote eight or eight 30 game.

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I say that in quotes because that's normally national television, so Oh.

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That means eight 30.

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That really means 8 45.

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Gotcha.

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After the 15 minutes of commercials.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And extended out.

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Oh, extra commercials between, yeah.

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All of that.

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And so, so that's at midnight.

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Yeah.

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Getting home kind of thing.

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1130,

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midnight.

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Yep.

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And then, uh, school, back to school the next morning.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's, uh, yeah.

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You work hard.

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Yeah.

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Just, but you don't, you love it.

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It's, it's all because especially with the kids being on their own.

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Now imagine it's easier than it was when you first started even.

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Yeah.

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Well, or maybe they were already kind of high schoolers when you started.

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How long have you been doing it?

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No,

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this is my, the start of my 21st season.

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Oh, dang.

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Yeah.

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I had it in my head as like a little over 10.

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Oh yeah.

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So 20 years, 21st season.

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Yeah.

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So it's been, yeah, since they were little and all, but I would always.

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You know, be it like I was my son's, I was their coach, their club coach, their club basketball coach.

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Wow.

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So I was always at their things and could always, you know, manage whatever or, or manipulate the schedule to where I could be at their things and still take care.

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Wow.

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Because I always, for me personally, I just.

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I, I never, my father, father didn't miss either one of those things.

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No.

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And my father never saw me play, and I just said, my kids would never even know what that felt like as far as I was concerned.

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And so I was always at every volleyball game.

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My daughter played volleyball and all my son's basketball games, as many as I could be at, even, even now, one of my sons is still, he's in college now.

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This is his last year.

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Oh, okay.

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But he is on the football team, and so go to watch his games as much as possible.

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Just went last this past weekend.

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And they won their first game?

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Or was it the first one?

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They lost their first game.

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It was up in Washington, but they won their first home game, which is, we were there.

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Okay.

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Was CU or was this, uh, Mesa, Colorado.

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Mesa.

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Oh, sure.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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Nice.

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And so.

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Yeah.

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And just enjoying that.

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And you know, like I said, I just, my, I I, I just said they would never know what that was like to not have their father there, that's for sure.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I, I've been able, God's been able, God's honored that in every way.

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You know, when we first got acquainted and, and when we were kinda discussing whether, uh, you should come up for the event and stuff, you were sharing some of your story of.

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Kind of God's provision in preparing you for mm-hmm.

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The nuggets job.

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Mm-hmm.

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Can we absolutely dive into that season a little bit?

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Yeah.

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And, and maybe even go back to the start of that kind of prison ministry element.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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We'll, we'll jump back all the way to grade school, but mm-hmm.

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For the purpose of this, I think I want to hear about that story.

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Absolutely.

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So, yeah, for me, I, uh, played basketball and, and just through our church we had, um, a prison basketball ministry.

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Oh, through the church.

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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Interesting.

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And so, uh, because there, you know, can you tell me this

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church, was it a big church, like in urban Denver kind of thing?

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Yeah.

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And so you had a bunch of, bunch of ballers?

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We were all right.

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Yeah.

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As long as Kyle was there.

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No, no, no.

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But I contribute, I'm sure.

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But yeah, we, we had a prison ministry where there is a group that would go and, and do services at all the prisons.

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Okay.

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But we were the prison basketball ministry and it was just, um, special.

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It was my favorite basketball I ever played.

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Really?

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It was just playing in the prisons.

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And, uh, there's guys even to this day that will come up to me that were in the prison and they remember and That's cool.

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It was just because it was just powerful.

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It was like, post-college for you, you're kind of starting your career doing this and that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Whatever.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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And so.00:19:40.547 --> 00:19:43.307


We would, we had like a 21 game season.00:19:43.366 --> 00:19:43.396


Okay.00:19:43.396 --> 00:19:45.767


And we would play every, every year and we would just come back.00:19:45.767 --> 00:19:46.457


Is it one prison00:19:46.457 --> 00:19:47.267


or is it rotating year?00:19:47.596 --> 00:19:49.156


No, all the prisons in Colorado.00:19:49.186 --> 00:19:49.457


Okay.00:19:49.636 --> 00:19:54.616


Which is, so we would go everywhere from, you know, up north to Sterling Correctional.00:19:54.616 --> 00:19:54.737


Oh sure.00:19:54.737 --> 00:19:55.906


There's four facilities there.00:19:55.906 --> 00:19:57.166


We would play all four of those guys.00:19:57.166 --> 00:19:57.406


Oh wow.00:19:57.912 --> 00:20:01.932


We would go to Lyman Correctional, we'd go all the way up to Kit Carson.00:20:02.142 --> 00:20:02.561


Oh dang.00:20:02.561 --> 00:20:02.981


That's so cool.00:20:02.981 --> 00:20:08.201


We'd go to Buena Vista, rifle Reno Wal, uh, down in Walsenburg.00:20:08.291 --> 00:20:08.652


Sure.00:20:09.257 --> 00:20:12.791


Uh, uh, the, just went through the Walsenburg this spring, actually.00:20:12.791 --> 00:20:13.196


Love that town.00:20:13.201 --> 00:20:13.392


Yeah.00:20:13.541 --> 00:20:15.852


FCI, Florence, FCI Englewood.00:20:15.942 --> 00:20:16.392


Uh, dang.00:20:16.392 --> 00:20:17.622


I think that one just closed down.00:20:17.622 --> 00:20:18.761


But, um,00:20:18.791 --> 00:20:22.811


and this is all just volunteer and you guys are probably practicing before time and stuff.00:20:22.811 --> 00:20:24.672


Gotta have some plays and stuff like that.00:20:24.672 --> 00:20:26.142


There's a coach and kind of,00:20:26.261 --> 00:20:26.862


or something.00:20:26.862 --> 00:20:31.902


Uh, one of our, one of the pastors there, he was our coach and one of our sponsor and, and, um,00:20:32.021 --> 00:20:34.332


and he had been a college player or something too?00:20:34.332 --> 00:20:34.961


Or he just,00:20:34.961 --> 00:20:36.311


no, I don't think so.00:20:36.311 --> 00:20:36.332


Not really.00:20:36.332 --> 00:20:36.957


He just loves sports.00:20:36.957 --> 00:20:41.801


Mean, just loved basketball and, and he's, he was a, he had a missionary's heart.00:20:41.862 --> 00:20:41.922


Yeah.00:20:41.922 --> 00:20:47.652


And so we would go to like Colfax and we would feed the homeless and stuff like that.00:20:47.652 --> 00:20:48.041


Yeah, yeah.00:20:48.071 --> 00:20:48.372


Very.00:20:48.372 --> 00:20:49.422


And we'd go to the hotels and shop.00:20:49.422 --> 00:20:51.582


Very active church kind of you'd say.00:20:51.856 --> 00:20:53.446


And we would feed them and all.00:20:53.446 --> 00:20:54.166


And so, okay, so you got00:20:54.166 --> 00:20:57.257


this 21 game season, you're rolling around and Yeah.00:20:57.707 --> 00:20:59.926


And so did you start as an announcer right away?00:20:59.987 --> 00:21:00.737


No,00:21:00.737 --> 00:21:03.136


just at halftime of every game.00:21:03.136 --> 00:21:05.086


We would always just share a little message.00:21:05.626 --> 00:21:05.656


Okay.00:21:05.957 --> 00:21:13.757


And that was kind of, that was the purpose and the reason, you know, we open up in prayer, closing prayer, but at halftime we would share just a little me message, a little nugget.00:21:14.326 --> 00:21:16.846


And so, but, uh, we would do that.00:21:16.846 --> 00:21:19.576


And so we had like a portable speaker that we would bring in.00:21:19.576 --> 00:21:19.727


Sure.00:21:19.727 --> 00:21:22.846


You know, everything had to be checked, you know, in order to come in and all that stuff.00:21:22.846 --> 00:21:23.102


Right, right.00:21:23.146 --> 00:21:24.332


Make sure you're not bringing anything in.00:21:24.332 --> 00:21:35.747


And so yeah, just out of the, just the Lord just laid on my heart, just do the player introductions and, and all, and, and for me, I always loved the Chicago Bulls when Michael Jordan was there.00:21:35.747 --> 00:21:36.076


Sure.00:21:36.497 --> 00:21:43.007


And so when the guy, the PA announcer, Ray Clay would do those announce, you know, the, the, now that, that Yes.00:21:43.426 --> 00:21:44.896


I would always get bumps.00:21:44.896 --> 00:21:45.346


You would imitate that, goosebumps and all that.00:21:45.346 --> 00:21:45.707


Yep.00:21:45.707 --> 00:21:46.517


Absolutely.00:21:46.876 --> 00:21:51.196


And so I would do that in the prisons before every game, Uhhuh and I would announce some prisons.00:21:51.196 --> 00:21:54.856


You couldn't say the person's last name and we couldn't say our last name.00:21:54.886 --> 00:21:55.152


Right, right.00:21:55.277 --> 00:21:56.717


Or vice versa or whatever.00:21:57.136 --> 00:22:02.866


Um, but just to kind of set the atmosphere and you know, and would there'd be like a bunch of people watching too?00:22:02.866 --> 00:22:03.676


They'd be inmates.00:22:03.707 --> 00:22:03.916


Right.00:22:03.916 --> 00:22:06.346


It's just inmates I assume there's not that much going on.00:22:06.346 --> 00:22:06.586


Right.00:22:06.646 --> 00:22:09.076


So, and, and the inmates were the referees as well.00:22:09.076 --> 00:22:15.136


So and so they're, and and they, like, they would bet on the games and whatever.00:22:15.136 --> 00:22:16.156


Like with cigarettes or something?00:22:16.307 --> 00:22:16.517


Yeah.00:22:16.517 --> 00:22:17.356


Literally, yeah.00:22:17.446 --> 00:22:19.007


Kool-Aid and all that stuff.00:22:19.007 --> 00:22:19.231


And, okay.00:22:19.666 --> 00:22:25.231


And so the, like, there'd be times where we wouldn't get the call and we, what is up?00:22:26.031 --> 00:22:27.406


Hey, I got two cigarettes on this game.00:22:27.406 --> 00:22:27.646


Yeah.00:22:27.646 --> 00:22:29.836


Or they're like, you know what, we've gotta live here.00:22:29.836 --> 00:22:32.326


You don't, so you're not getting that call.00:22:33.436 --> 00:22:36.916


And so, but any case, I would do that before every game.00:22:36.916 --> 00:22:39.317


And little did I know that was.00:22:40.082 --> 00:22:43.201


Preparing me for when an opportunity opened up.00:22:43.352 --> 00:22:46.561


And what was the rest of your life like at this moment in time?00:22:46.622 --> 00:22:48.362


You had just working little kids, right?00:22:48.362 --> 00:22:49.172


Sounds like, yep.00:22:49.442 --> 00:22:53.162


Little kids and working, um, just at that point in time.00:22:53.612 --> 00:22:55.862


Um, let's see.00:22:55.862 --> 00:23:01.561


I was, that was like 95 or so, so I was just, yeah, just working.00:23:01.561 --> 00:23:01.892


I was.00:23:02.071 --> 00:23:06.751


Uh, I think I still, I was with FCA fellowship or Christian athletes.00:23:06.781 --> 00:23:06.902


Oh, okay.00:23:06.902 --> 00:23:09.152


Was the urban director there, which is how, you know Scott Kessel.00:23:09.182 --> 00:23:09.571


Yep.00:23:09.872 --> 00:23:16.051


And then, uh, from there I went and I went on time, uh, full-time staff with this particular church at that point.00:23:16.051 --> 00:23:17.011


Oh see, okay.00:23:17.071 --> 00:23:20.882


As a youth pastor and, um, yeah,00:23:21.001 --> 00:23:27.152


just, just so this was just kind of extra hours and, you know, show off to the senior pastor how committed you are to the cause and stuff.00:23:27.481 --> 00:23:28.382


No, I'm teasing you.00:23:28.652 --> 00:23:32.582


I don't, he he loved the prisons at that point in time, but, and you loved basketball.00:23:32.582 --> 00:23:32.882


Yeah.00:23:32.882 --> 00:23:33.481


That was amazing.00:23:33.481 --> 00:23:34.652


It was a perfect combination.00:23:34.652 --> 00:23:35.717


And people and men and the Lord.00:23:35.717 --> 00:23:36.116


Mm-hmm.00:23:36.777 --> 00:23:38.281


And just pouring into men.00:23:38.281 --> 00:23:39.122


Absolutely.00:23:39.932 --> 00:23:45.481


And just having a heart for inmates, you know, that, that's one of the, our, our commissions as well.00:23:45.481 --> 00:23:46.531


The, the inmates.00:23:46.531 --> 00:23:48.721


Those, those were when you were in prisons.00:23:48.902 --> 00:23:51.422


When I was in prison, you visited me is what Jesus said.00:23:51.422 --> 00:23:55.561


And, uh, for the widow and for the hunger and, and so, yeah.00:23:56.011 --> 00:23:58.862


Um, you know, man, I can imagine feeling.00:24:00.017 --> 00:24:05.747


For some of those men like to hear their name, what, even if their last name isn't there, but hear it on the pa.00:24:06.227 --> 00:24:06.376


I'm sure00:24:06.376 --> 00:24:09.076


at that point it was just, yeah, and I wasn't the Nuggets guy at that00:24:09.076 --> 00:24:09.797


point in time for sure.00:24:10.126 --> 00:24:11.086


It was just, you're just a dude.00:24:11.146 --> 00:24:11.386


Yeah.00:24:11.386 --> 00:24:14.686


But, but they haven't been, felt, some of them celebrated, some of'em had.00:24:15.446 --> 00:24:17.186


Wives and kids and stuff.00:24:17.307 --> 00:24:17.366


Yeah.00:24:17.426 --> 00:24:20.426


But for the most part, they got left behind when they went to prison.00:24:20.457 --> 00:24:21.416


Boom, is my guess.00:24:21.416 --> 00:24:21.507


Boom.00:24:21.626 --> 00:24:22.511


Like, I don't know that way.00:24:22.511 --> 00:24:22.711


And so00:24:22.711 --> 00:24:24.836


it's a moment, like I said, to set the atmosphere.00:24:24.836 --> 00:24:24.896


Yeah.00:24:24.896 --> 00:24:29.846


First time in a while anybody has said my voice and celebrated it at all, you know?00:24:29.852 --> 00:24:30.326


Right, right.00:24:30.326 --> 00:24:32.126


And just be a blessing and Yeah.00:24:32.336 --> 00:24:33.567


And so, and then we would play.00:24:33.777 --> 00:24:34.106


Yeah.00:24:34.106 --> 00:24:40.826


And, and we would do, like, we would do weekends, so we would do like, you know, two different, two or three different facilities.00:24:40.856 --> 00:24:41.037


Right.00:24:41.037 --> 00:24:47.037


On a Friday night we would play, and then we'd play a morning game on a Saturday and go to the last one game on Saturday night.00:24:47.307 --> 00:24:48.777


Back on church On Sunday.00:24:48.777 --> 00:24:49.017


Yeah.00:24:49.646 --> 00:24:51.146


And it was just like I said, so Wow.00:24:51.686 --> 00:24:52.916


Best basketball.00:24:52.916 --> 00:24:54.537


I just, I just loved that time.00:24:54.567 --> 00:24:54.807


That's cool.00:24:54.807 --> 00:24:54.951


I cool.00:24:54.951 --> 00:24:55.676


I missed that time.00:24:55.682 --> 00:24:55.912


Yeah.00:24:55.916 --> 00:24:56.156


Yeah.00:24:56.156 --> 00:24:59.096


And um, I played ball in, um, preparation,00:24:59.126 --> 00:25:00.297


like early high school.00:25:00.416 --> 00:25:00.537


Mm-hmm.00:25:00.777 --> 00:25:03.386


I actually lettered in basketball in seventh grade.00:25:03.386 --> 00:25:03.666


Where, where?00:25:03.666 --> 00:25:04.436


Here in Colorado?00:25:04.436 --> 00:25:05.757


Uh, no, in Buchanan.00:25:06.116 --> 00:25:07.106


Uh, North Dakota.00:25:07.376 --> 00:25:08.126


Oh, wow.00:25:08.217 --> 00:25:08.696


Yeah.00:25:08.696 --> 00:25:12.386


We had a high school of only 50 kids and like three kids got a DUI.00:25:12.392 --> 00:25:12.692


Mm-hmm.00:25:12.957 --> 00:25:14.517


Uh, my seventh grade year.00:25:14.517 --> 00:25:16.257


And so they didn't have enough players.00:25:16.406 --> 00:25:21.747


I had to got called up, I played, I played, uh, till halftime of the B squad game.00:25:21.747 --> 00:25:22.017


Yeah.00:25:22.467 --> 00:25:26.666


'cause I was a four foot 11 seventh grader, but I could shoot and I could dribble.00:25:26.727 --> 00:25:27.326


Hey.00:25:27.326 --> 00:25:31.287


And uh, and then I had to go into the locker room and then come out and00:25:31.436 --> 00:25:31.646


Yeah.00:25:31.707 --> 00:25:35.997


You know, then play and get all my shots blocked for a while until I figured some stuff out.00:25:36.116 --> 00:25:36.356


Yep.00:25:36.446 --> 00:25:37.436


That's one way to learn.00:25:37.646 --> 00:25:38.037


That's true.00:25:38.636 --> 00:25:41.517


But anyway, that we would travel, like we would go to Wing.00:25:41.936 --> 00:25:42.086


Mm-hmm.00:25:42.326 --> 00:25:44.277


Uh, which was about 80 miles away.00:25:44.336 --> 00:25:44.696


Mm-hmm.00:25:44.702 --> 00:25:45.011


Mm-hmm.00:25:45.116 --> 00:25:46.497


Um, because they're just.00:25:47.057 --> 00:25:49.126


Weren't that many small schools Yeah.00:25:49.126 --> 00:25:51.346


That you could play and have it be somewhat competitive.00:25:51.346 --> 00:25:52.876


And we still got our butts kicked all the time.00:25:52.936 --> 00:25:57.797


I mean, I'm, I'm not a baller by any means, you know, you'd still take the floor with me for sure.00:25:57.916 --> 00:26:00.047


Three of me would be needed to beat you.00:26:00.797 --> 00:26:02.477


Um, but I love the game.00:26:02.626 --> 00:26:02.836


Yeah.00:26:02.866 --> 00:26:04.096


And I love the travel.00:26:04.102 --> 00:26:05.596


Travel and going into these Yes.00:26:05.656 --> 00:26:05.896


Like00:26:05.896 --> 00:26:07.126


other schools, right?00:26:07.132 --> 00:26:07.142


Mm-hmm.00:26:07.227 --> 00:26:07.396


And,00:26:07.396 --> 00:26:11.297


and like you've got the faithful 20 parents Yep.00:26:11.416 --> 00:26:18.527


On our side that came out and then they've got the 80 kids as parents at their, the school you're visiting great memories, right?00:26:18.527 --> 00:26:18.586


Yeah.00:26:18.586 --> 00:26:21.916


Just these little dinky gyms, but comradery Yes.00:26:21.946 --> 00:26:22.727


And trust.00:26:22.757 --> 00:26:23.086


Yep.00:26:23.237 --> 00:26:25.517


You know, when you pass to somebody, don't miss it.00:26:25.521 --> 00:26:25.821


Mm-hmm.00:26:25.997 --> 00:26:27.106


You know, but Absolutely.00:26:27.106 --> 00:26:27.826


You can miss it some.00:26:27.826 --> 00:26:29.116


'cause nobody hits it all the time.00:26:29.146 --> 00:26:29.507


Right.00:26:29.507 --> 00:26:31.426


You know, it's all an odds game.00:26:31.757 --> 00:26:31.967


Yeah.00:26:32.027 --> 00:26:33.196


And prison's kind of like that.00:26:33.257 --> 00:26:33.797


Mm.00:26:34.186 --> 00:26:35.626


Like especially getting outta prison.00:26:35.807 --> 00:26:36.707


Mm.00:26:36.826 --> 00:26:37.487


And staying out.00:26:37.817 --> 00:26:38.176


Yeah.00:26:38.237 --> 00:26:38.717


Right.00:26:38.717 --> 00:26:40.156


And believing it in yourself.00:26:40.162 --> 00:26:40.301


That's the deal.00:26:40.862 --> 00:26:42.902


Like how can you increase those odd odds not getting, being00:26:42.902 --> 00:26:44.102


institutionalized.00:26:44.132 --> 00:26:44.582


Right.00:26:44.582 --> 00:26:45.692


Forever prisoners.00:26:46.201 --> 00:26:49.021


'cause we have too many forever prisoners and there's a lot of money in it.00:26:49.112 --> 00:26:50.221


Yep, yep, yep.00:26:50.461 --> 00:26:50.731


Yeah.00:26:51.182 --> 00:26:58.592


Well then there's a lot of people that are outside, that are outside, have never been in prison, in the prison facility, but they're in prison in their mind.00:26:58.592 --> 00:26:58.771


Yeah.00:26:58.771 --> 00:26:59.311


In the spirit.00:26:59.491 --> 00:26:59.731


Yeah.00:26:59.731 --> 00:26:59.912


Yeah.00:27:00.211 --> 00:27:00.602


Mm-hmm.00:27:01.142 --> 00:27:01.352


True.00:27:01.352 --> 00:27:03.957


That and so, so yeah, doing this, that was the training ground.00:27:04.321 --> 00:27:04.531


Yeah.00:27:04.592 --> 00:27:04.951


Right.00:27:04.981 --> 00:27:08.642


Like how many, no, probably like, I wanna say about five years or so.00:27:08.672 --> 00:27:09.031


Yeah.00:27:09.031 --> 00:27:09.122


And.00:27:10.291 --> 00:27:13.592


It was just a great time, but it was God's preparation.00:27:13.592 --> 00:27:20.521


And then one day there was just on the Nuggets website, I was a Nuggets fan and it just said, grab your microphones.00:27:20.582 --> 00:27:21.362


Interesting.00:27:21.451 --> 00:27:28.051


If you were the PA announcer for the Nuggets, how would you do the, uh, player introductions?00:27:28.082 --> 00:27:28.172


Wow.00:27:28.172 --> 00:27:31.652


And submit your Oh, just send an audio recording here, basically.00:27:31.652 --> 00:27:31.711


Yeah.00:27:31.771 --> 00:27:36.902


And at that point in time, I was working at the Comcast Media Center in Littleton.00:27:37.082 --> 00:27:37.471


Okay.00:27:37.471 --> 00:27:40.261


And then, so I had access to a studio Oh, right.00:27:40.261 --> 00:27:41.132


A recording studio.00:27:41.132 --> 00:27:41.981


'cause it was Yeah, yeah.00:27:41.981 --> 00:27:43.172


A television studio out there.00:27:43.352 --> 00:27:43.471


Huh.00:27:43.531 --> 00:27:49.412


And, um, myself and the engineer, it literally took five minutes to record a demo.00:27:49.412 --> 00:27:49.501


Right.00:27:49.561 --> 00:27:50.221


Like bing, bing.00:27:50.642 --> 00:27:53.821


And we sent it in and they said mine was the only one that they liked.00:27:54.662 --> 00:27:55.001


And they brought me in.00:27:55.201 --> 00:27:56.461


They received thousands.00:27:57.122 --> 00:27:59.971


What, uh, and so it was all God.00:28:00.422 --> 00:28:00.801


That's what I say.00:28:01.027 --> 00:28:04.832


Like what if you hadn't, like had you established your voice at all by that time?00:28:04.832 --> 00:28:06.511


Outside of the prison ministry?00:28:06.511 --> 00:28:06.571


No.00:28:06.781 --> 00:28:10.622


Were you announcing at church or saying, you know, anything like that?00:28:10.622 --> 00:28:14.011


Like if you hadn't have seen that website Right.00:28:14.311 --> 00:28:19.201


When that happened, nobody would've been like, Hey Kyle, you should definitely be the voice of the nuggets.00:28:19.201 --> 00:28:20.192


You nothing like00:28:20.192 --> 00:28:20.612


that?00:28:20.942 --> 00:28:21.541


Not at all.00:28:21.751 --> 00:28:26.852


So in 90 19, 99, I was a rookie free agent with the nuggets.00:28:27.481 --> 00:28:27.511


Oh.00:28:27.511 --> 00:28:35.311


And so, and I got cut, but I'm, while I was there, but, but you didn't hold a grudge While I was there, I met a guy by the name of Tommy Shepherd.00:28:35.311 --> 00:28:38.402


He was like marketing or player personnel.00:28:38.402 --> 00:28:39.152


One of those guys.00:28:39.182 --> 00:28:39.301


Yeah.00:28:39.301 --> 00:28:49.021


And, um, he's no longer there now, but, um, I remembered asking, you know, when I got cut, you always want a second chance and that type of thing.00:28:49.021 --> 00:28:49.082


Yeah.00:28:49.471 --> 00:28:54.392


And at some point I had reached out to him just asking.00:28:54.797 --> 00:28:59.416


Because I think I had the idea, do they, you know, do they ever need a backup announcer for nuggets?00:28:59.807 --> 00:29:00.196


Right.00:29:00.287 --> 00:29:09.076


And so I reached out to him and he gave me the name of an individual that was, uh, one of the game entertainment, uh, managers at that time.00:29:09.376 --> 00:29:14.176


And so I reached out to him and never heard anything for years or years before.00:29:14.626 --> 00:29:14.926


Yeah.00:29:14.987 --> 00:29:22.037


And then it was just that one day I just saw that and I showed it to my wife and she said, that's your job.00:29:22.277 --> 00:29:23.537


And that's so cool.00:29:23.567 --> 00:29:23.777


Yeah.00:29:23.777 --> 00:29:24.886


And that was just powerful.00:29:25.067 --> 00:29:25.307


Yeah.00:29:25.307 --> 00:29:27.922


That's, uh, it's, I think women have.00:29:28.862 --> 00:29:32.041


My, my wife told her mom like after our second date.00:29:32.132 --> 00:29:32.221


Mm-hmm.00:29:32.461 --> 00:29:33.602


Like, I'm gonna marry Kurt.00:29:33.751 --> 00:29:34.412


That's the, yeah.00:29:34.507 --> 00:29:34.846


You know?00:29:34.846 --> 00:29:35.126


Yeah.00:29:35.432 --> 00:29:44.041


Like they have that, men are always like second guessing God, but God speaks to women sometimes I think a little bit more clearly than he does to us knucklehead.00:29:44.426 --> 00:29:45.362


My hardhead, my00:29:45.362 --> 00:29:49.261


wife shares that she shared with her best friend than I think I met my husband.00:29:49.352 --> 00:29:50.402


Is that, that's what she said.00:29:50.731 --> 00:29:51.511


Right away after,00:29:51.842 --> 00:29:52.382


right away.00:29:52.442 --> 00:29:52.741


Mm-hmm.00:29:53.011 --> 00:29:53.642


Yeah.00:29:53.672 --> 00:29:54.061


Yeah.00:29:54.061 --> 00:29:54.071


Yeah.00:29:54.721 --> 00:30:01.951


I've almost like dudes will go along for the ride on that, but I almost only heard that story from the.00:30:02.416 --> 00:30:03.227


Girls' perspective.00:30:03.227 --> 00:30:03.317


Mm-hmm.00:30:03.557 --> 00:30:05.957


They're the ones that somehow, I don't know.00:30:06.317 --> 00:30:06.616


Mm-hmm.00:30:07.217 --> 00:30:08.446


Um, at least the good ones.00:30:08.446 --> 00:30:09.076


Mm-hmm.00:30:09.287 --> 00:30:09.517


I don't know.00:30:09.517 --> 00:30:10.366


Hey, how it goes.00:30:10.787 --> 00:30:13.426


So that the, the God ordained ones, how about that?00:30:13.517 --> 00:30:18.767


So do you like, not to get into your business, but do you like, make a ton of money doing this?00:30:18.767 --> 00:30:22.906


Is it like a pretty lucrative gig or It's it's pretty much equivalent00:30:22.906 --> 00:30:23.692


to a part-time job.00:30:23.842 --> 00:30:25.211


It's a NICE's It's a00:30:25.211 --> 00:30:26.297


good paying part-time job.00:30:26.386 --> 00:30:26.866


Correct.00:30:27.166 --> 00:30:27.527


Right.00:30:27.586 --> 00:30:31.067


Like instead of making 30 bucks an hour, you make some number, way more than that.00:30:31.067 --> 00:30:31.757


But yeah.00:30:31.787 --> 00:30:35.987


Not like, I'm not making, I'm not 400 grand a year being this guy.00:30:36.467 --> 00:30:37.487


No, no I'm not.00:30:37.487 --> 00:30:42.132


They'd sign another rookie free agent instead if they had that much money to spend to that role under,00:30:42.257 --> 00:30:42.586


under00:30:42.586 --> 00:30:43.967


like a contractor.00:30:44.027 --> 00:30:44.356


Right.00:30:44.356 --> 00:30:45.257


Or an NIL deal.00:30:45.311 --> 00:30:52.936


Do do you have dreams of like building a bigger audience, like starting a podcast or doing know, I don't know.00:30:53.356 --> 00:30:54.977


You got a cool, cool voice.00:30:54.977 --> 00:30:57.287


You got a big, uh, message for people.00:30:57.376 --> 00:30:57.527


I00:30:57.527 --> 00:31:01.517


just, I, I, I literally, if God calls you hell to Yeah.00:31:01.682 --> 00:31:05.267


If, if, if, if that's what the Lord let, let us to do.00:31:05.477 --> 00:31:05.656


Yeah.00:31:05.656 --> 00:31:07.307


And that, that would be what I would do.00:31:07.487 --> 00:31:07.817


Alright.00:31:07.876 --> 00:31:12.886


I'm not, I don't do any of it for any celebrity or anything along those lines.00:31:12.886 --> 00:31:13.007


Yeah.00:31:13.007 --> 00:31:20.446


I truly, the, like, the words that resonate in my mind and in my, my spirit is just you build got a platform, he'll give you a platform.00:31:20.507 --> 00:31:25.247


That's what my, my pastor says that all the time you build, got a platform, he'll give you a platform.00:31:25.247 --> 00:31:30.196


So I'm just about trying to build God a platform however he wants to do it.00:31:30.797 --> 00:31:32.176


My answer is yes.00:31:32.567 --> 00:31:32.866


Do you00:31:32.866 --> 00:31:37.396


get to like, be yourself in that way as the pa announcer?00:31:37.396 --> 00:31:43.817


Like, do you ever get to mention thank God or beyond that or It's kind of Not really.00:31:43.817 --> 00:31:43.936


No.00:31:44.477 --> 00:31:45.376


You just, you have to00:31:45.376 --> 00:31:46.906


kind of keep it pro and Yeah.00:31:46.967 --> 00:31:47.416


And whatnot.00:31:47.416 --> 00:31:48.017


No, that's cool.00:31:48.047 --> 00:31:49.487


And but here you get two.00:31:49.487 --> 00:31:49.817


I remember.00:31:50.116 --> 00:31:50.386


Yeah.00:31:50.717 --> 00:31:52.217


I remember one year I, uh.00:31:52.906 --> 00:31:59.086


Um, so like my favorite announcements at the arena are what I call, call response ones.00:31:59.086 --> 00:32:07.067


And so like I'll say Jamal Murray for one, two, and then the crowd will go three, you know, so whatever.00:32:07.067 --> 00:32:11.297


When I say something and the crowd, they actually, it is like proud work if you're a comedian, right?00:32:11.297 --> 00:32:11.307


Mm-hmm.00:32:11.356 --> 00:32:11.686


Yeah.00:32:12.047 --> 00:32:13.666


And so I, um.00:32:14.386 --> 00:32:15.076


One year.00:32:15.076 --> 00:32:18.406


It was early on, I, I was saying, can I get an Amen?00:32:18.406 --> 00:32:21.211


You know, crowd, crowd responded, amen.00:32:21.767 --> 00:32:22.156


Right.00:32:22.156 --> 00:32:26.211


And then they're like, sort, yeah, we got, so00:32:26.531 --> 00:32:27.436


I was like, okay.00:32:28.126 --> 00:32:31.217


Well you, you've had, you've got tenure now, so you could do it.00:32:31.217 --> 00:32:31.547


Amen.00:32:31.547 --> 00:32:32.386


Once in a while probably.00:32:32.386 --> 00:32:34.652


Oh, I have, that's good.00:32:34.652 --> 00:32:35.011


That's good.00:32:35.011 --> 00:32:35.731


Every now and then.00:32:37.007 --> 00:32:37.396


I know,00:32:37.396 --> 00:32:38.267


but it slips out.00:32:38.596 --> 00:32:39.076


It depends.00:32:39.707 --> 00:32:45.771


Yo Yoic throws another, you know, full court shot and makes it, can I get right?00:32:47.446 --> 00:32:47.896


Oh shucks.00:32:47.896 --> 00:32:48.707


That's interesting.00:32:49.186 --> 00:32:51.886


Um, and so like what do you do?00:32:51.946 --> 00:32:53.057


Do you have hobbies?00:32:53.582 --> 00:32:55.201


Do you go hiking?00:32:55.201 --> 00:32:57.541


Do you travel with your, with your wife?00:32:57.541 --> 00:32:57.632


Mm-hmm.00:32:57.632 --> 00:32:58.771


What's she up to, by the way?00:32:58.771 --> 00:32:59.041


And Right.00:32:59.041 --> 00:32:59.672


Does she a name?00:32:59.852 --> 00:33:00.332


What's her about?00:33:00.332 --> 00:33:00.392


Her?00:33:00.392 --> 00:33:00.571


Yep.00:33:00.571 --> 00:33:02.731


My wife, her, uh, Tamika is her name.00:33:02.731 --> 00:33:02.821


Tam?00:33:02.882 --> 00:33:03.481


Yes.00:33:03.481 --> 00:33:07.951


And so, and actually we're at the same school together, so she works with the elementary Oh, cool.00:33:07.951 --> 00:33:08.491


School age.00:33:08.491 --> 00:33:09.481


And I'm with the middle school.00:33:09.481 --> 00:33:09.872


Yeah.00:33:09.872 --> 00:33:09.882


Yeah.00:33:09.902 --> 00:33:12.392


So, um, and she's a counselor as well?00:33:12.392 --> 00:33:13.741


Mm-hmm.00:33:13.742 --> 00:33:13.772


Or a teacher?00:33:13.772 --> 00:33:13.782


Mm-hmm.00:33:13.782 --> 00:33:13.792


Absolutely.00:33:13.792 --> 00:33:13.803


Okay.00:33:13.832 --> 00:33:14.672


Counselor as well.00:33:14.912 --> 00:33:15.961


And so, but, uh.00:33:16.487 --> 00:33:24.406


Yeah, we actually, we, we just found that we, we love to go on hikes, so we're, we're starting to ramp up on that a little bit, right?00:33:24.406 --> 00:33:24.527


You were00:33:24.527 --> 00:33:27.221


fully invested in children raising and now Absolutely.00:33:27.221 --> 00:33:27.767


You had a little gap00:33:27.946 --> 00:33:28.457


season.00:33:28.457 --> 00:33:30.527


You're like, what do we actually like to do?00:33:30.527 --> 00:33:31.126


Exactly.00:33:31.126 --> 00:33:34.547


We've been doing 20 hours a week of kid chasing for 2000:33:34.547 --> 00:33:42.981


years and all their games and everything, and lots of travel and, and you know, with the club teams and, you know, volleyball may, you soon have, have00:33:42.987 --> 00:33:46.037


12 grandchildren, so you're once again, up to that level of commit.00:33:46.186 --> 00:33:46.846


We'll see way.00:33:48.527 --> 00:33:51.767


But yeah, now we're just, yeah, we love, we love the beach.00:33:51.767 --> 00:33:55.997


We love, um, something that we did this past summer.00:33:56.446 --> 00:33:57.257


Um.00:33:57.977 --> 00:34:03.346


We just took time because we don't, we hardly have any time to watch television.00:34:03.946 --> 00:34:04.067


Right.00:34:04.067 --> 00:34:08.536


And so, but we, throughout the entire, there was one series on Netflix.00:34:08.536 --> 00:34:10.367


It was a, it was a show called Suits.00:34:10.456 --> 00:34:14.056


And so it was something that we, we uh, we, we wound up watching.00:34:14.056 --> 00:34:15.317


It had nine seasons.00:34:15.317 --> 00:34:21.797


And so, oh boy, we, we, throughout the summer, we, like, we tune in every time you had an extra 90 minutes or 60 whatever Yeah.00:34:21.797 --> 00:34:22.367


And watched episodes.00:34:22.367 --> 00:34:22.601


Oh, that's funny.00:34:22.601 --> 00:34:23.536


And so we got caught up in that.00:34:23.536 --> 00:34:24.617


That was pretty funny.00:34:25.516 --> 00:34:34.067


And, uh, but yeah, we, we'll do things outside and, and, uh, we love to just, we love, you know, music, jazz, that type of thing.00:34:34.126 --> 00:34:34.277


Yeah.00:34:34.637 --> 00:34:38.927


Just spending time with whatever, whatever comes to, to mind.00:34:39.436 --> 00:34:45.646


Do you wanna zoom into the, uh, the realtime machine now and go back to like little first grade Kyle?00:34:46.036 --> 00:34:46.726


Oh, first00:34:46.726 --> 00:34:48.677


grade Kyle was still in New York City.00:34:48.737 --> 00:34:49.157


Okay.00:34:49.277 --> 00:34:49.817


And is that where you00:34:49.817 --> 00:34:50.177


were born?00:34:50.177 --> 00:34:50.507


Raised?00:34:50.507 --> 00:34:51.137


Yes.00:34:51.137 --> 00:34:51.706


Okay.00:34:51.706 --> 00:34:52.036


Born, born.00:34:52.036 --> 00:34:53.476


I was, I grew up here.00:34:54.407 --> 00:34:55.306


I grew up here in Denver.00:34:55.396 --> 00:34:55.487


Okay.00:34:55.487 --> 00:34:56.956


We moved here when I was eight.00:34:57.137 --> 00:34:57.496


Okay.00:34:57.677 --> 00:34:58.577


And, um, so00:34:58.577 --> 00:35:00.677


zoom me to New York City'cause you probably remember it.00:35:00.797 --> 00:35:01.217


I do00:35:01.277 --> 00:35:02.027


a decent amount.00:35:02.027 --> 00:35:02.117


I do.00:35:02.117 --> 00:35:02.806


Absolutely.00:35:03.226 --> 00:35:06.496


Um, there like, like I said, single parent home.00:35:06.527 --> 00:35:06.827


Yep.00:35:06.827 --> 00:35:07.577


Only child.00:35:07.577 --> 00:35:12.016


Do you, when did your dad separate from the family from day one?00:35:12.016 --> 00:35:12.347


Never.00:35:12.347 --> 00:35:13.186


Never was involved.00:35:13.306 --> 00:35:13.367


Yeah.00:35:13.367 --> 00:35:19.547


When my mother told, I mean, he was like, I would go, I remember a couple of times spending.00:35:20.161 --> 00:35:25.322


Uh, like I would spend the weekend with him, but that didn't last very long at all, and so Gotcha.00:35:25.771 --> 00:35:35.461


Um, my mother, she always told me, she said, when I was born, she knew that he wasn't going to be there, and so she asked God to be my father in the, in the, uh, delivery room.00:35:35.552 --> 00:35:35.972


Interesting.00:35:36.242 --> 00:35:38.192


And he had, did she have support?00:35:39.092 --> 00:35:39.452


Yeah.00:35:39.452 --> 00:35:41.612


My, so you had grandparents family and Yes.00:35:41.762 --> 00:35:42.121


There.00:35:42.601 --> 00:35:49.112


Um, but where we were, we, I'm, I'm from Crown Heights, the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn, New York.00:35:49.112 --> 00:35:56.972


And, uh, uh, is that good, bad, tough, eh, back then, it wasn't the greatest, it wasn't the worst, but it wasn't the greatest.00:35:56.972 --> 00:35:57.391


Okay.00:35:57.391 --> 00:36:00.541


And, um, but she really, she wanted.00:36:00.947 --> 00:36:04.097


To raise me in a better environment, that's for sure.00:36:04.097 --> 00:36:05.536


So she got you out of the worst?00:36:05.597 --> 00:36:06.016


Yeah.00:36:06.016 --> 00:36:07.907


And it was either here or San Diego.00:36:07.907 --> 00:36:10.817


And she chose here because we had relatives here at that time.00:36:10.876 --> 00:36:12.677


And what was her, did she have a00:36:12.797 --> 00:36:13.817


vocation?00:36:14.297 --> 00:36:16.431


She was a, a, an everything and everything.00:36:16.516 --> 00:36:18.556


A secretary at that point in time.00:36:18.556 --> 00:36:20.266


And office administrator.00:36:20.297 --> 00:36:20.476


Yep.00:36:20.507 --> 00:36:22.246


And that's what she did.00:36:22.246 --> 00:36:22.427


So00:36:22.427 --> 00:36:28.032


just enough to kind of keep a modest place paid for and maybe some family support here and there.00:36:28.092 --> 00:36:28.311


Yep.00:36:28.311 --> 00:36:28.487


I didn't00:36:28.487 --> 00:36:29.146


know that.00:36:29.146 --> 00:36:35.987


We, she, my mother, she was my hero because I didn't know that we didn't have it like that.00:36:36.047 --> 00:36:39.286


You know, she always made sure I had everything I needed.00:36:39.827 --> 00:36:43.367


Um, we always had a roof over our head and Sure.00:36:43.606 --> 00:36:44.177


And all of that.00:36:44.177 --> 00:36:46.067


And she was very consistent with that.00:36:46.067 --> 00:36:48.556


And, um, she, she sacrificed.00:36:48.887 --> 00:36:50.411


Everything for me and you.00:36:50.447 --> 00:36:53.806


I just, she's, she's gone on in heaven now.00:36:53.956 --> 00:36:54.317


I'm sorry.00:36:54.317 --> 00:36:55.692


And I just never young for that.00:36:56.132 --> 00:37:00.197


I always wanted to be able to, to try to repay her, but I could never repay her.00:37:00.197 --> 00:37:03.467


It's the only, only way I can repay her is to just try to live for Christ.00:37:03.467 --> 00:37:05.237


Is that as much as possible, is she your00:37:05.237 --> 00:37:05.447


big00:37:05.447 --> 00:37:06.137


motivation00:37:06.137 --> 00:37:06.496


in that00:37:06.617 --> 00:37:07.217


regard?00:37:07.367 --> 00:37:07.936


One of them.00:37:08.086 --> 00:37:09.286


One of them for sure.00:37:09.347 --> 00:37:12.317


But um, just my love for Christ is Right.00:37:12.317 --> 00:37:13.456


Thats plenty of motivation too.00:37:13.456 --> 00:37:13.666


Yeah.00:37:13.876 --> 00:37:14.992


And so, but I was just so blessed there.00:37:14.992 --> 00:37:15.617


So what took you guys00:37:15.617 --> 00:37:16.067


to.00:37:16.606 --> 00:37:21.902


Well, I guess first, like tell me about like living in New York as an elementary school kid.00:37:21.902 --> 00:37:22.181


Mm-hmm.00:37:22.282 --> 00:37:26.297


In those days, you're, this is probably what I time guess the mid eighties or something?00:37:26.297 --> 00:37:26.987


Early eighties.00:37:27.016 --> 00:37:28.637


Early eighties, late seventies.00:37:28.666 --> 00:37:29.056


Okay.00:37:29.086 --> 00:37:29.356


Okay.00:37:29.356 --> 00:37:40.637


And so, you know, I, I tell my kids, you know, I, I even in, in kindergarten, I was on the subway and in first grade I was on the subway by myself, you know, and second grade too.00:37:40.637 --> 00:37:45.916


And, and I took, you know, the train back and forth to school and came home and those types of things.00:37:45.916 --> 00:37:49.157


I was kind of free range, I guess they call it a latchkey kid or whatever, or whatever.00:37:49.336 --> 00:37:49.396


Yeah.00:37:49.396 --> 00:37:51.106


Well, I call it free range because I think00:37:51.106 --> 00:37:52.157


that's sounds nicer.00:37:52.186 --> 00:37:56.896


'cause that's the, I was raised too, even though I could have gone home anytime, but they just trusted us to be out.00:37:56.896 --> 00:37:57.422


Well, Anna and I00:37:57.422 --> 00:38:02.297


would go to after school, there were like a, a day, not a daycare center.00:38:02.297 --> 00:38:02.356


Yeah.00:38:02.356 --> 00:38:04.246


But, um, an afterschool program.00:38:04.547 --> 00:38:06.586


We would go over there, like a church affiliated.00:38:06.586 --> 00:38:07.907


Was she actively involved?00:38:07.907 --> 00:38:07.967


Yeah.00:38:07.967 --> 00:38:09.257


Were you already at this time?00:38:09.407 --> 00:38:11.027


She raised me and the church.00:38:11.086 --> 00:38:11.597


Um.00:38:12.061 --> 00:38:16.382


And we were at, you know, like that it was called Mission for Today in Brooklyn.00:38:16.382 --> 00:38:17.762


I think it's still around too.00:38:18.152 --> 00:38:20.552


Um, that I would go there after school.00:38:20.552 --> 00:38:23.192


And, um, but yeah, raised in a church.00:38:23.402 --> 00:38:23.731


St.00:38:23.731 --> 00:38:26.911


Anthony's is the church that we went to there.00:38:26.911 --> 00:38:28.351


When we first moved here.00:38:28.952 --> 00:38:33.692


Uh, we joined a church called New Hope Baptist Church, uh, which is still going today.00:38:33.692 --> 00:38:34.802


And that was to Denver?00:38:34.802 --> 00:38:34.891


Mm-hmm.00:38:35.141 --> 00:38:35.822


Like New York City.00:38:35.827 --> 00:38:36.056


To Denver.00:38:36.056 --> 00:38:36.302


To Denver.00:38:36.302 --> 00:38:36.362


Yeah.00:38:36.362 --> 00:38:36.692


And what00:38:36.692 --> 00:38:37.742


precipitated that?00:38:38.342 --> 00:38:42.902


That was, like I said, just her wanting to raise me in a better environment.00:38:42.902 --> 00:38:42.961


Yeah.00:38:42.961 --> 00:38:46.802


And so she left all of that, everything, like started applying00:38:46.802 --> 00:38:47.851


for jobs in00:38:47.851 --> 00:38:49.771


Denver or whatever kind of thing?00:38:49.777 --> 00:38:50.371


Absolutely, absolutely.00:38:50.402 --> 00:38:50.882


Interesting.00:38:50.882 --> 00:38:54.092


Her first job was with, um, um.00:38:54.902 --> 00:38:56.251


Blue Cross Blue Shield.00:38:56.311 --> 00:38:56.461


Okay.00:38:56.461 --> 00:39:00.782


I remember the, on Broad Broadway, there's the big silver building there that was there.00:39:00.782 --> 00:39:03.871


And then, and then it was also during the oil boom.00:39:04.291 --> 00:39:04.652


Oh.00:39:04.652 --> 00:39:04.681


Uhhuh.00:39:04.711 --> 00:39:07.831


And so she worked for a company called Petro Lewis Oil.00:39:07.862 --> 00:39:08.161


Okay.00:39:08.161 --> 00:39:12.931


You know, and that was when oil, so she was like a career woman when that wasn't really common yet Right.00:39:12.931 --> 00:39:13.472


At the time.00:39:13.472 --> 00:39:13.952


Right.00:39:14.012 --> 00:39:14.581


Right.00:39:14.581 --> 00:39:18.601


And so she, uh, but like I said, she, she just, she just,00:39:18.931 --> 00:39:23.461


she, one of our best friends, uh, my wife's best friend is a single mom of two career women.00:39:23.686 --> 00:39:24.106


Mm-hmm.00:39:24.186 --> 00:39:27.121


And it's really impressive when they raise awesome kids.00:39:27.121 --> 00:39:27.181


Yeah.00:39:27.302 --> 00:39:30.001


And they also like mm-hmm.00:39:30.061 --> 00:39:32.672


Can achieve success because that's a big burden.00:39:32.942 --> 00:39:34.621


And she was she single most of this time?00:39:34.621 --> 00:39:37.891


You didn't have a stepdad around or nothing like that until00:39:37.891 --> 00:39:40.561


later in what year?00:39:40.561 --> 00:39:41.311


My.00:39:43.306 --> 00:39:45.797


Uh, like seventh grade.00:39:46.036 --> 00:39:46.277


Yeah.00:39:46.277 --> 00:39:46.847


Seventh grade.00:39:46.847 --> 00:39:46.936


Yeah.00:39:46.942 --> 00:39:51.226


She, she remarried an individual that was from New York that came out here.00:39:51.646 --> 00:39:52.277


He chased her out.00:39:52.577 --> 00:39:52.996


Yeah.00:39:52.996 --> 00:39:54.286


It, it, that didn't work out either.00:39:54.286 --> 00:39:55.126


It didn't, didn't work out.00:39:55.126 --> 00:40:00.407


And, um, yeah, by the time I was a freshman in high school, that, that had dissipated as well.00:40:00.677 --> 00:40:06.706


So talk to me about like your, like you got a new place, you're a big kid.00:40:06.706 --> 00:40:07.306


Probably.00:40:07.306 --> 00:40:08.927


Were you a big kid early too?00:40:08.927 --> 00:40:10.516


So, like seventh grader, you're like six, five.00:40:10.516 --> 00:40:10.907


I was always tall.00:40:11.297 --> 00:40:11.746


Wanky.00:40:11.887 --> 00:40:12.137


Okay.00:40:12.137 --> 00:40:12.556


Gotcha.00:40:13.067 --> 00:40:13.336


I always00:40:13.336 --> 00:40:22.726


one in the class, you know, for the most part all the way throughout in high school there were a couple guys taller than me, but Yeah.00:40:22.786 --> 00:40:23.237


Yeah, yeah.00:40:23.242 --> 00:40:24.016


Definitely in grade school.00:40:24.467 --> 00:40:25.547


And, uh, so was00:40:25.547 --> 00:40:27.646


basketball always your game too?00:40:28.007 --> 00:40:30.166


Fell in love with basketball in the fifth grade.00:40:30.226 --> 00:40:30.617


Okay.00:40:30.797 --> 00:40:32.237


Um, it, I.00:40:33.362 --> 00:40:34.382


Picked up my first.00:40:34.382 --> 00:40:35.617


So by the time you came out right, like mm-hmm.00:40:35.697 --> 00:40:37.922


Or eighth grade came out in the third grade.00:40:37.952 --> 00:40:38.672


Third grade, okay.00:40:38.731 --> 00:40:38.911


Yep.00:40:38.911 --> 00:40:39.362


Yeah.00:40:39.541 --> 00:40:46.981


And then, um, but I was, uh, at the, um, in the summertime I would go to a, uh, summer camp, summer day camp Mm, mm-hmm.00:40:47.402 --> 00:40:49.501


At the central YMCA downtown.00:40:49.501 --> 00:40:49.512


Mm.00:40:49.802 --> 00:40:50.072


Mm-hmm.00:40:50.461 --> 00:40:55.862


And that was where I picked up the basketball for the very first time down there and shooting in that gym down there.00:40:56.282 --> 00:41:04.831


Um, and that was also around the time when the, uh, Showtime Lakers were, you know, in, in their peak.00:41:05.791 --> 00:41:07.141


And that, and that really caught my eye.00:41:07.141 --> 00:41:10.262


And so I fell in love with a Lakers and Magic Johnson at that time.00:41:10.291 --> 00:41:10.382


Sure.00:41:10.382 --> 00:41:11.731


So I joined our middle.00:41:11.731 --> 00:41:13.351


I was more of a Celtics guy myself.00:41:13.351 --> 00:41:13.621


Okay.00:41:13.771 --> 00:41:14.016


You know?00:41:14.851 --> 00:41:15.211


Yep.00:41:15.391 --> 00:41:16.561


And I, we can talk about that later.00:41:16.567 --> 00:41:16.817


Mm-hmm.00:41:16.981 --> 00:41:23.911


But I wore number 33 for Kareem, and I dig it, and I, and that was, that was kind of the start of that.00:41:23.911 --> 00:41:24.871


And so, but then.00:41:25.862 --> 00:41:27.692


So I fell in love with those guys.00:41:27.692 --> 00:41:38.911


And then, um, at our banquet, our athletic banquet, um, Alex English, they brought in Alex English for our, our athletic banquet, and I can't remember who that was.00:41:39.032 --> 00:41:39.572


Aha.00:41:39.751 --> 00:41:44.012


Number two, Alex English, he's his number two hangs in the rafters at the arena.00:41:44.282 --> 00:41:44.641


Oh, sure.00:41:44.641 --> 00:41:45.001


Yeah.00:41:45.211 --> 00:41:45.811


Well that was before00:41:45.811 --> 00:41:46.802


I moved out here and became00:41:46.802 --> 00:41:47.371


a Nuggets fan.00:41:47.431 --> 00:41:48.391


Yeah, absolute.00:41:48.391 --> 00:41:48.992


I'm a Timberwolves00:41:48.992 --> 00:41:51.836


fan, you know, originally Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,00:41:51.856 --> 00:41:52.077


oh.00:41:53.012 --> 00:41:56.581


But, uh, that was when I also, well, that's became a Nuggets fan.00:41:56.641 --> 00:41:56.851


Yeah.00:41:56.851 --> 00:41:57.362


Yeah.00:41:57.362 --> 00:41:57.902


As well.00:41:57.902 --> 00:41:58.382


And Okay.00:41:58.387 --> 00:42:10.436


And so just in meeting him and, uh, it was awesome because actually last season, uh, we brought him out for a halftime and, and to kind of honor him and recognize Yeah.00:42:10.442 --> 00:42:14.702


And so I got to meet him and I got to tell him, Hey, you're the reason, you're part of my inspiration, dude.00:42:15.306 --> 00:42:15.396


Yeah.00:42:15.902 --> 00:42:16.561


I still have his00:42:16.561 --> 00:42:17.972


autograph and all of that.00:42:18.302 --> 00:42:18.871


That's really cool.00:42:18.871 --> 00:42:19.322


Yeah.00:42:19.652 --> 00:42:21.391


So were you standout right away?00:42:22.052 --> 00:42:23.192


Or were you kind of middle?00:42:23.192 --> 00:42:25.112


You never were really a standout.00:42:25.172 --> 00:42:25.322


No,00:42:25.322 --> 00:42:26.731


I was just in, in grade school.00:42:26.731 --> 00:42:27.967


I was just the tallest kid.00:42:28.646 --> 00:42:28.887


Right.00:42:29.106 --> 00:42:30.967


And I just love to play Rebo better, Kyle.00:42:31.226 --> 00:42:31.447


Yep.00:42:32.371 --> 00:42:33.152


Don't dribble.00:42:33.541 --> 00:42:34.532


Stop by or shoot it.00:42:34.532 --> 00:42:35.012


Just pass00:42:35.012 --> 00:42:35.161


it to00:42:35.161 --> 00:42:35.942


our guards.00:42:35.942 --> 00:42:36.181


Exactly.00:42:36.661 --> 00:42:36.961


Sorry.00:42:36.961 --> 00:42:37.472


That's it.00:42:38.192 --> 00:42:45.961


So, oh, I knew I wanted to play and then when I got to high school, I, um, I went to, uh, Regis High, Regis High School.00:42:45.992 --> 00:42:46.382


Okay.00:42:46.891 --> 00:42:48.902


And, uh, tried out for the team.00:42:48.902 --> 00:42:52.532


I, I made the freshman team at the beginning.00:42:52.592 --> 00:43:00.181


Um, and then I, um, the next year I made jv and then my junior and senior year I was varsity.00:43:00.422 --> 00:43:00.512


Mm-hmm.00:43:00.751 --> 00:43:10.382


And, uh, I had opportunities, I had, you know, I had a, some D one offers or whatever, but my grades, I screwed around.00:43:10.427 --> 00:43:11.806


I messed up.00:43:11.896 --> 00:43:13.697


And so like, because you00:43:13.697 --> 00:43:16.697


had a little too much free range or00:43:16.876 --> 00:43:17.146


Yeah.00:43:17.146 --> 00:43:18.086


Just, just not studying.00:43:18.086 --> 00:43:18.621


I mean, you seemed really00:43:18.621 --> 00:43:18.862


smart.00:43:20.242 --> 00:43:21.862


Uh, could have studied, could've got good grades.00:43:21.862 --> 00:43:21.981


Yeah.00:43:21.987 --> 00:43:22.936


Wasn't book smart.00:43:23.657 --> 00:43:28.637


And at Regis it was definitely, you know, more that, much more rigorous and so, yep.00:43:28.726 --> 00:43:32.626


Um, yeah, I didn't get it done in the classroom the way I should have.00:43:32.626 --> 00:43:35.387


And so, so D one didn't, yeah.00:43:35.387 --> 00:43:37.007


I wasn't for too much wasn't eligible.00:43:37.112 --> 00:43:37.461


Right.00:43:37.606 --> 00:43:41.626


And at that point in time, it's nowhere near like, what's going on today.00:43:41.626 --> 00:43:42.106


Right.00:43:42.317 --> 00:43:47.056


At that point in time you had to become what they called a proposition 48.00:43:47.237 --> 00:43:48.016


Yeah, I remember00:43:48.016 --> 00:43:48.257


that00:43:48.257 --> 00:43:48.737


phrase.00:43:48.737 --> 00:43:49.186


Yeah.00:43:49.277 --> 00:43:56.806


And so that meant that you could go, but you'd have to sit out your freshman year to become eligible and so you'd only have three years left.00:43:56.836 --> 00:43:57.527


Yeah.00:43:57.617 --> 00:43:58.306


And that was that.00:43:58.306 --> 00:44:03.117


So, or you could go to a junior college and play and, and so that's what I went the junior college route.00:44:03.797 --> 00:44:04.726


And that was Gunison?00:44:05.206 --> 00:44:08.896


No, no, the big metropolis of Torrington, Wyoming.00:44:08.987 --> 00:44:09.706


Oh dang.00:44:11.927 --> 00:44:13.157


Colder up there, isn't it?00:44:13.157 --> 00:44:14.536


Population 5,000.00:44:14.686 --> 00:44:19.097


Was that a your, well, I guess New York City's kind of cold sometimes too, but not like Torrington.00:44:19.217 --> 00:44:21.226


Well, Torrington is windy, right?00:44:21.317 --> 00:44:22.097


And it got cold.00:44:22.097 --> 00:44:24.827


Cold is cold, but windy and cold is a different thing.00:44:24.856 --> 00:44:28.606


That New York cold and that East coast and that way more humid and whatnot.00:44:28.606 --> 00:44:31.336


Yeah, it's cold to the bone fair.00:44:31.336 --> 00:44:34.036


That, that mid, you know, that, that Kentucky cold.00:44:34.306 --> 00:44:35.867


Yeah, that's No, no.00:44:36.257 --> 00:44:36.916


And so,00:44:37.007 --> 00:44:39.286


but quite a culture shock for you anyway.00:44:39.286 --> 00:44:44.927


Like you went from one big city to another big city and now you're in 20,000 population Torrington.00:44:44.927 --> 00:44:45.376


Or five?00:44:45.376 --> 00:44:47.177


5,005.00:44:48.766 --> 00:44:50.416


And so, and, and we're there,00:44:50.536 --> 00:44:51.706


were you a single guy or did you00:44:51.706 --> 00:44:51.916have00:44:51.916 --> 00:44:53.322





a Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely Single guy.00:44:53.322 --> 00:44:53.481


Yeah.00:44:53.487 --> 00:44:53.597


Yeah.00:44:53.782 --> 00:44:56.237


And, and messing around and living it up.00:44:56.416 --> 00:44:59.507


You know, my, I'm, I'm on my own now and.00:45:00.347 --> 00:45:01.876


And not locked in.00:45:01.967 --> 00:45:02.266


Yeah.00:45:02.387 --> 00:45:06.226


And so missed out on a few more opportunities as well.00:45:07.336 --> 00:45:14.567


I wound up transferring from there to Adam State and it was Adam State College in Alamosa, Colorado at the time.00:45:15.166 --> 00:45:15.246


Okay, at Gunison.00:45:15.246 --> 00:45:15.916


Alamosa.00:45:15.916 --> 00:45:16.186


Yeah.00:45:16.217 --> 00:45:17.237


Now it's Adam State00:45:17.266 --> 00:45:17.836


University.00:45:17.836 --> 00:45:17.896


Yeah.00:45:17.987 --> 00:45:18.376


Okay.00:45:18.467 --> 00:45:23.266


But um, so you got your poop in a group a little bit and got down to Alamosa or they just No.00:45:23.447 --> 00:45:24.766


Saw your potential in a basketball team?00:45:25.277 --> 00:45:25.697


No.00:45:25.697 --> 00:45:26.416


What happened00:45:26.416 --> 00:45:34.967


was then, that's when I gave I, between Eastern Wyoming and Adam State, is when I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior.00:45:34.967 --> 00:45:37.907


So you wanted to change the scenery kind changed, yeah.00:45:38.056 --> 00:45:41.206


I changed overnight, instantly, overnight.00:45:41.612 --> 00:45:45.422


And, uh, it was June 29th, 1991.00:45:45.481 --> 00:45:46.052


Yeah.00:45:46.052 --> 00:45:46.061


Yeah.00:45:46.291 --> 00:45:50.041


So then I hit Adam State and you know, now I'm just playing.00:45:50.041 --> 00:45:50.402


Now you're00:45:50.672 --> 00:45:53.192


kind of playing, living clean.00:45:53.251 --> 00:45:53.521


Yeah.00:45:53.521 --> 00:45:54.001


Studying00:45:54.001 --> 00:45:54.961


more probably.00:45:54.961 --> 00:45:55.592


Absolutely.00:45:55.592 --> 00:45:59.342


And we even started when you're not out chasing girls and it Oh, you did?00:45:59.492 --> 00:46:00.782


Yeah, we started a church there.00:46:00.782 --> 00:46:00.871


Oh.00:46:00.871 --> 00:46:02.641


So like, talk to me about that.00:46:02.646 --> 00:46:02.987


Mm-hmm.00:46:03.092 --> 00:46:07.467


So like with like the person that led you to Faith or something?00:46:07.567 --> 00:46:07.786


No.00:46:07.806 --> 00:46:09.061


Or, so you, yeah.00:46:09.061 --> 00:46:09.811


Talk to me about that.00:46:09.811 --> 00:46:11.101


You found Christ00:46:11.101 --> 00:46:12.782


in Wyoming and then cruised down?00:46:12.786 --> 00:46:13.322


No, no.00:46:13.322 --> 00:46:14.791


Found Christ here.00:46:14.851 --> 00:46:18.331


Uh, there's a ministry called the Voices of Faith, a youth choir.00:46:18.572 --> 00:46:18.722


Oh.00:46:18.722 --> 00:46:20.041


And I joined that choir.00:46:20.041 --> 00:46:25.322


I just loved the way that they sang and I joined that choir and just, they needed baritone or bass or whatever.00:46:25.322 --> 00:46:25.862


Yeah.00:46:26.822 --> 00:46:27.782


They always need a bass.00:46:27.931 --> 00:46:33.782


And our, our leader, uh, she's gone on to heaven now too as well, but Pastor Yvonne McCoy.00:46:33.782 --> 00:46:33.811


Okay.00:46:34.112 --> 00:46:35.351


And, and she was a.00:46:36.077 --> 00:46:39.047


Uh, you know, just a, an amazing woman of God.00:46:39.047 --> 00:46:42.556


And anyway, she just poured into a lot of young people.00:46:42.856 --> 00:46:42.976


Yeah.00:46:43.007 --> 00:46:45.617


And I was just one of them that she poured into.00:46:45.617 --> 00:46:45.827


Yeah.00:46:46.367 --> 00:46:57.436


And it was that journey there that, um, where I found myself in my room just asking Jesus to just surrendering, surrendering.00:46:57.436 --> 00:46:58.637


And it was on that night.00:46:58.637 --> 00:47:01.126


And so, yeah, when I got to Adam State, yeah.00:47:01.126 --> 00:47:02.387


There was no more partying.00:47:02.387 --> 00:47:03.556


All that stuff was done.00:47:03.556 --> 00:47:09.646


And, um, there was one of the guys that was there, he was a student, but he was on the football team.00:47:09.947 --> 00:47:11.266


He was also a pastor.00:47:11.356 --> 00:47:13.637


He was, he was a licensed, you know, pastor.00:47:13.666 --> 00:47:15.166


He had his, his father's church.00:47:15.166 --> 00:47:15.916


Was he like a student00:47:15.916 --> 00:47:17.356


older than average or something, or?00:47:17.356 --> 00:47:20.896


No, he just grew up in the church and Yeah, his father had a church dial in and00:47:20.896 --> 00:47:23.536


he was his, one of his, his, you know Sure.00:47:23.536 --> 00:47:25.606


He was a pastor on, on his father's.00:47:25.847 --> 00:47:26.056


Yeah.00:47:26.056 --> 00:47:26.266


Yeah.00:47:26.266 --> 00:47:34.396


And just, you know, just, and so we just started a, a, a church there and in the student union Uhhuh, and on Sundays we, he was.00:47:34.757 --> 00:47:37.802


He was the, like the pastor, I was his deacon and yeah.00:47:37.806 --> 00:47:38.327


Yeah.00:47:38.416 --> 00:47:41.117


And we would just do Sunday services there.00:47:41.146 --> 00:47:42.047


And what happened?00:47:42.317 --> 00:47:46.217


Like just students would come trickle in, we'd have, you know, different ones.00:47:46.217 --> 00:47:46.306


Did00:47:46.306 --> 00:47:47.476


it grow and prosper?00:47:47.476 --> 00:47:49.007


Did like not really.00:47:49.306 --> 00:47:49.367


Yeah,00:47:49.427 --> 00:47:51.556


it was just, yeah, just for the student.00:47:51.556 --> 00:47:56.161


It, like, we didn't take an offering or anything, like all the signs, they were just coming and hear the word.00:47:56.601 --> 00:47:56.882


Oh, cool.00:47:56.981 --> 00:47:59.177


And then go, everybody go their separate ways.00:47:59.237 --> 00:48:01.007


And was it church or was it college00:48:01.007 --> 00:48:01.577


sanctioned?00:48:02.476 --> 00:48:06.947


Um, or did you just stand up on the table kind of and start preaching?00:48:06.947 --> 00:48:08.266


Yeah, they, they, they were00:48:08.266 --> 00:48:08.896


okay with it.00:48:08.896 --> 00:48:09.166


Yeah.00:48:09.166 --> 00:48:09.887


They gave00:48:09.887 --> 00:48:12.496


us a room upstairs and That's cool.00:48:12.496 --> 00:48:16.606


It was like a conference room and we, they, you know, there was no one using it anyway, so.00:48:16.606 --> 00:48:16.697


Right.00:48:16.697 --> 00:48:18.137


It's super slow on Sundays anyhow.00:48:18.137 --> 00:48:18.436


Yeah.00:48:18.621 --> 00:48:18.842


Huh.00:48:18.887 --> 00:48:19.967


And uh, that's cool.00:48:20.146 --> 00:48:29.086


Yeah, they allowed us to do that and it was just,'cause the church there didn't feel like for a lot of us didn't feel like home and what we, well did our own thing.00:48:29.356 --> 00:48:33.286


That was kind of the season of life when.00:48:34.021 --> 00:48:38.012


It was super uncool to be like a 20 something and go to church like it.00:48:38.161 --> 00:48:42.331


The churches were all kind of declining and the only thing was, at least in my experience mm-hmm.00:48:42.331 --> 00:48:43.922


In Minnesota was where I lived at the time.00:48:43.981 --> 00:48:44.101


Mm-hmm.00:48:44.402 --> 00:48:46.681


But it was just kind of a declining mm-hmm.00:48:46.688 --> 00:48:46.907


Thing.00:48:47.132 --> 00:48:54.902


And Fort Collins, you know, started it a little bit more cool to become going to church when you're, you know, uh, but that was a little bit later.00:48:54.902 --> 00:48:56.347


It feel like the tide mm-hmm.00:48:56.666 --> 00:48:57.387


Bottomed out.00:48:57.572 --> 00:48:59.641


So you were looking for a cool place to go to church.00:48:59.731 --> 00:49:00.061


Yeah.00:49:00.061 --> 00:49:00.746


Or for kids to go to church.00:49:00.751 --> 00:49:01.172


Something that was00:49:01.172 --> 00:49:02.251


just more relatable.00:49:02.282 --> 00:49:02.942


Right, right.00:49:03.092 --> 00:49:09.092


And so we had a little choir, like different, you know, people, just other students and it was just us and we just did it.00:49:09.271 --> 00:49:10.021


And it's not00:49:10.172 --> 00:49:11.192


denominational.00:49:11.192 --> 00:49:17.461


Your, your faith journey is very much because you grew up in the Catholic church, you mentioned at least Catholic school.00:49:17.461 --> 00:49:17.731


Catholic school, okay.00:49:17.731 --> 00:49:18.512


But never a Catholic church.00:49:18.512 --> 00:49:19.262


Baptist church.00:49:19.262 --> 00:49:20.306


And so Oh, interesting.00:49:20.416 --> 00:49:21.001


Yeah, yeah,00:49:21.001 --> 00:49:21.481


yeah.00:49:21.782 --> 00:49:23.641


And so, but I, you know, I don't get caught.00:49:23.641 --> 00:49:26.851


I'm the church I, that device is, doesn't matter.00:49:26.851 --> 00:49:27.391


Denominational.00:49:28.081 --> 00:49:32.161


There's not gonna be a Baptist section in in heaven or Lutheran.00:49:32.161 --> 00:49:33.181


You don't think they'll be sitting up00:49:33.181 --> 00:49:33.572


front?00:49:33.572 --> 00:49:34.891


I think that, just kidding.00:49:34.896 --> 00:49:36.931


No, not at all.00:49:36.931 --> 00:49:39.811


Those the do are sitting in the back just for thinking that I'm just,00:49:41.342 --> 00:49:42.271


I'm just trying to hear.00:49:42.271 --> 00:49:42.871


Well done.00:49:42.871 --> 00:49:43.472


That was all.00:49:44.072 --> 00:49:45.541


I, Lord, lord have mercy.00:49:46.021 --> 00:49:46.411


I love it.00:49:46.411 --> 00:49:48.362


And so, but yeah, that's what we did there.00:49:48.362 --> 00:49:57.692


And then my senior year is when I got involved with, we had a, a new coach that came in and he brought in, um, FCA Fellowship of Christian athletes.00:49:57.842 --> 00:49:58.442


Okay.00:49:58.501 --> 00:50:06.001


And I was, he asked me to be a, in his huddle and, and um, I did that and um, I became.00:50:06.661 --> 00:50:10.532


Uh, the FCA Colorado Player of the Year or something like those Oh.00:50:10.532 --> 00:50:11.492


Lines and so, yep, yep.00:50:11.552 --> 00:50:12.356


That was kind of started.00:50:12.356 --> 00:50:14.342


You had a good season kind of thing or whatever, and that,00:50:14.942 --> 00:50:17.311


and then you basically got a kind of a job, right?00:50:17.311 --> 00:50:17.911


Where you Yeah.00:50:17.911 --> 00:50:24.632


Right out they were, they were looking for an urban director and, and they, I guess they had had their eyes on me the whole time or whatever.00:50:24.632 --> 00:50:24.902


Interesting.00:50:25.036 --> 00:50:33.152


I, I think the area director at that time had identified me as someone that could be that individual, and so they were kind of watching me.00:50:33.152 --> 00:50:34.021


I had no idea.00:50:34.021 --> 00:50:34.351


Yeah.00:50:34.356 --> 00:50:34.396


Yeah.00:50:35.056 --> 00:50:35.806


But, um, yeah.00:50:35.806 --> 00:50:36.916


And if you go back to Denver00:50:36.916 --> 00:50:37.516


now, then00:50:37.697 --> 00:50:37.817


Hmm.00:50:37.817 --> 00:50:40.637


As an urban director, is that Yeah, I came back to, to Denver.00:50:40.637 --> 00:50:40.726


Yep.00:50:40.786 --> 00:50:45.556


When I graduated, that was my, you probably met your wife the next few years, or where did she come along?00:50:45.556 --> 00:50:51.137


Met her at church, and so I was singing in the choir, and, uh, I was, because they always knew bass.00:50:51.137 --> 00:50:51.887


Yay.00:50:51.887 --> 00:50:55.007


And I was in the top row, and all of a sudden one day I said, Hey,00:50:55.516 --> 00:50:55.577


hoo.00:50:56.177 --> 00:50:56.626


Okay.00:50:56.896 --> 00:51:02.927


And I'm like, all right, I'm supposed to be focused on the lore, but I, hey, can't help but notice that shape.00:51:03.586 --> 00:51:08.146


And so I, one day I, I went to look for her, didn't find her.00:51:08.297 --> 00:51:13.036


And then one day I think I went to look for her again and I saw her out there and I was like,00:51:13.036 --> 00:51:14.717


oh, oh, okay, okay.00:51:14.717 --> 00:51:16.097


And then I didn't see her again.00:51:16.606 --> 00:51:26.387


And then our pastor that was there at the church, he had gotten married and I just saw, I was at the wedding reception and I turned around and there she was.00:51:26.536 --> 00:51:29.836


And she was trying to, uh, go and actually meet.00:51:30.286 --> 00:51:41.086


With the, the lady that was our, from the Voices of Faith, our leader, she knew her and she was trying to go say hi to her, and then she was in the back office.00:51:41.086 --> 00:51:42.677


And so I just, I was on staff.00:51:42.702 --> 00:51:43.041


Oh, I know.00:51:44.351 --> 00:51:45.001


I'll tell you there.00:51:45.742 --> 00:51:46.161


How you doing?00:51:46.302 --> 00:51:48.056


Can I get your number while we're on our way here?00:51:48.376 --> 00:51:49.097


And I worked it.00:51:51.262 --> 00:51:51.481


Was00:51:51.481 --> 00:51:53.896


it like love pretty quick after00:51:53.896 --> 00:51:55.277


that or, uh, who00:51:55.336 --> 00:51:55.996


pretty quick?00:51:55.996 --> 00:51:56.387


Yeah.00:51:56.416 --> 00:51:56.717


Yeah.00:51:56.777 --> 00:52:02.476


We, uh, just for me, I, my, I was, I was praying and asking.00:52:02.476 --> 00:52:03.976


You'd been around for a long time.00:52:04.007 --> 00:52:04.427


Yeah.00:52:04.427 --> 00:52:06.137


Nobody felt led like cheated.00:52:06.916 --> 00:52:07.007


No.00:52:07.007 --> 00:52:09.407


And, and just, uh, and I just.00:52:10.157 --> 00:52:18.556


I was just drawn to her and just, you know, I just, she was just, I just, when I met her, it was just an over overwhelming like, sense of peace.00:52:18.617 --> 00:52:18.737


Hmm.00:52:18.887 --> 00:52:21.496


You know, like she's just peaceful.00:52:21.916 --> 00:52:22.067


Huh.00:52:22.291 --> 00:52:23.806


And, and I just, and00:52:23.806 --> 00:52:25.967


it hasn't always been that way, but mostly pretty good.00:52:26.056 --> 00:52:26.416


Sounds like.00:52:26.416 --> 00:52:26.476


Yeah.00:52:26.476 --> 00:52:27.077


Right, right.00:52:27.126 --> 00:52:29.452


Um, well, I mean, that's humans, right?00:52:29.452 --> 00:52:33.621


Like we're, we're all a little bit up and down side to side, but, uh, she's my boo.00:52:33.621 --> 00:52:34.431


She's my boo.00:52:34.972 --> 00:52:35.422


That's cool.00:52:35.902 --> 00:52:37.012


And, uh, yeah.00:52:37.012 --> 00:52:38.271


Three kiddos later.00:52:38.277 --> 00:52:38.427


Mm-hmm.00:52:38.632 --> 00:52:39.621


20 how many years?00:52:39.711 --> 00:52:40.101


Married.00:52:40.626 --> 00:52:41.226


27.00:52:41.226 --> 00:52:43.027


27, 27.00:52:43.027 --> 00:52:45.246


Me and Jill are at 22 this year.00:52:45.342 --> 00:52:45.891


Let's get it.00:52:45.891 --> 00:52:45.967


Let's get it.00:52:46.146 --> 00:52:48.246


So it, it's, it's so cool.00:52:48.336 --> 00:52:49.146


Like mm-hmm.00:52:49.836 --> 00:52:55.476


I mean, I hate to say it, it's not in all humility, it just feels like the way everybody's supposed to do it.00:52:55.476 --> 00:52:57.067


It is.00:52:58.746 --> 00:53:01.476


But gosh, it, it's so uncommon anymore.00:53:01.476 --> 00:53:10.371


Like right, with 22 years, we're like in the 20th percentile at the wedding thing where you get to keep dancing the longer you have been married and stuff like that.00:53:10.371 --> 00:53:10.382


Right.00:53:10.652 --> 00:53:11.492


And there's, right.00:53:11.737 --> 00:53:11.947


Yeah.00:53:11.947 --> 00:53:12.367


So it goes,00:53:12.427 --> 00:53:18.336


we, yeah, we're, we're just at a point where, you know, there's only one way out.00:53:19.686 --> 00:53:20.016


Right.00:53:20.137 --> 00:53:20.887


That's the die out.00:53:21.072 --> 00:53:21.652


That's it.00:53:22.567 --> 00:53:30.306


But, uh, yeah, no, it, you know, we, we work with other couples and different things like that as well, and, um.00:53:31.146 --> 00:53:36.067


We're actually in the process of, of, uh, writing our, our a book as well, a marriage book.00:53:36.067 --> 00:53:38.527


And, and, uh, do you wanna, do you want, is it gonna00:53:38.527 --> 00:53:40.237


be out like in the spring or anything like that?00:53:40.237 --> 00:53:41.737


You wanna for foreshadow it a00:53:41.737 --> 00:53:41.976


little bit?00:53:41.976 --> 00:53:43.717


We're hoping to have it ready by December.00:53:43.746 --> 00:53:43.777


Okay.00:53:43.777 --> 00:53:44.797


By Christmas time.00:53:44.797 --> 00:53:45.097


All right.00:53:45.097 --> 00:53:47.856


And then do like a big push if for Valentine's Day.00:53:47.856 --> 00:53:48.157


Sure.00:53:48.157 --> 00:53:50.016


You know, like, do you have a title, working title?00:53:50.286 --> 00:53:51.157


It's called Corporate00:53:51.157 --> 00:53:51.757


Marriage.00:53:51.817 --> 00:53:52.836


Corporate Marriage.00:53:52.836 --> 00:53:53.737


Corporate Marriage.00:53:54.411 --> 00:53:59.842


I guess that's kinda like working together on the marriage kind of thing, or like why that term?00:53:59.842 --> 00:54:07.612


It's, it's what I've basically what it, what it was just the, the Holy Spirit was just showing, there's a lot of parallels in, in life.00:54:08.032 --> 00:54:12.601


Like in basketball we say ball is life because there's so many parallels in basketball mm-hmm.00:54:12.601 --> 00:54:15.322


Or any whatever sport that you're in, in life.00:54:15.322 --> 00:54:28.402


And so I, when I, when I got my MBA, I went through a program and, and I started seeing a lot of parallels in my MBA of how that could apply to a household and how that you could apply these principles.00:54:28.402 --> 00:54:29.871


A lot of to marriage as well.00:54:29.902 --> 00:54:30.112


Sure.00:54:30.351 --> 00:54:33.291


Everything from, um, keeping a00:54:33.291 --> 00:54:34.132


healthy balance sheet.00:54:34.882 --> 00:54:35.422


Absolutely.00:54:35.692 --> 00:54:35.992


Yeah.00:54:36.112 --> 00:54:36.411


Right.00:54:36.411 --> 00:54:37.311


You know where I'm going.00:54:37.311 --> 00:54:37.672


Corporate00:54:37.672 --> 00:54:38.152


culture.00:54:38.302 --> 00:54:38.601


Yep.00:54:38.692 --> 00:54:41.722


ROI and communications, KPIs, whatever as well.00:54:41.722 --> 00:54:41.961


Yeah,00:54:41.961 --> 00:54:42.291


yeah.00:54:42.291 --> 00:54:43.072


Absolutely.00:54:43.072 --> 00:54:43.731


Absolutely.00:54:43.791 --> 00:54:44.152


And so, well that's,00:54:44.152 --> 00:54:48.262


there's some things, one of my favorite things to do is actually recruiting.00:54:48.996 --> 00:54:51.666


Corporate escapees into the small business.00:54:51.666 --> 00:54:51.757


Mm-hmm.00:54:51.996 --> 00:54:54.996


Or the mid-size regional, you know, some of the folks you met up there.00:54:55.001 --> 00:54:55.181


Mm-hmm.00:54:55.266 --> 00:54:55.327


Mm-hmm.00:54:55.867 --> 00:55:02.827


Like a lot of them can't pay, you know, the 120 or 140, 50,000 plus benefits that Right.00:55:02.856 --> 00:55:07.086


Real big corporates like Woodward and whatever else can pay their awesome people.00:55:07.177 --> 00:55:07.387


Right.00:55:07.927 --> 00:55:09.427


But they can pay a hundred Right.00:55:09.487 --> 00:55:12.967


Or 110 and not grind you up into a fine powder.00:55:13.686 --> 00:55:16.567


Um, but those corporate people bring a lot of skills too, right?00:55:16.836 --> 00:55:17.106


Absolutely.00:55:17.106 --> 00:55:22.967


They've got a lot of training, they've got a lot of investment into how to lead, how to manage, how to pay attention to the right things, numbers, mm-hmm.00:55:22.967 --> 00:55:24.061


Metrics, KPIs.00:55:24.581 --> 00:55:24.822


Absolutely.00:55:25.177 --> 00:55:28.327


You know, and, and some of translating some of that to a marriage, isn't it?00:55:28.327 --> 00:55:28.476


Right.00:55:28.777 --> 00:55:29.077


Okay.00:55:29.317 --> 00:55:29.976


Is that what we're doing?00:55:30.036 --> 00:55:30.606


That's the hook.00:55:30.697 --> 00:55:31.597


Sorry to jump ahead.00:55:31.626 --> 00:55:32.916


No, no, that's it.00:55:33.097 --> 00:55:33.456


That's it.00:55:33.456 --> 00:55:33.817


Cool dude.00:55:33.817 --> 00:55:35.166


And so I think that's fun.00:55:35.317 --> 00:55:35.617


Yeah.00:55:35.766 --> 00:55:36.222


Do you have like a.00:55:36.817 --> 00:55:40.327


Like a three parts or five main things, or00:55:40.626 --> 00:55:43.956


we, it's, uh, broken down in 11 chapters.00:55:44.016 --> 00:55:44.166


Okay.00:55:44.166 --> 00:55:49.086


And, and so, but there's like eight, you know, areas that we, we kind of hone in on.00:55:49.117 --> 00:55:49.507


Yeah.00:55:49.686 --> 00:55:56.047


And so everything from like corporate governance to human capital and you know, all Yeah.00:55:56.137 --> 00:55:56.597


So, yeah.00:55:56.597 --> 00:55:56.922


Yeah, yeah, yeah.00:55:56.942 --> 00:55:58.777


And so we'll see.00:55:58.867 --> 00:55:59.436


I dig it.00:56:00.067 --> 00:56:00.487


I dig it.00:56:00.547 --> 00:56:12.666


But in any case, you know, just for us, you know, just walking through marriage through life as well, you know, for, I always say like, the easiest way I can put it.00:56:13.536 --> 00:56:18.157


For people with marriage because you know what you were talking about, they don't last.00:56:18.487 --> 00:56:20.827


And it's, it's, it's so rare.00:56:20.827 --> 00:56:25.927


But yeah, for us as believers, the only way it lasts.00:56:25.927 --> 00:56:34.777


You've got, you here, your spouse here, you've got God at the top, and the closer you draw to that triangle, he'll, the closer he brings you together.00:56:34.782 --> 00:56:35.061


Yeah.00:56:35.067 --> 00:56:35.317


Yeah.00:56:35.407 --> 00:56:39.817


That's the, when people say what's the secret of marriage or whatever, you know, they ask that question.00:56:39.967 --> 00:56:40.896


That's my answer.00:56:40.902 --> 00:56:45.907


That's, that's one visual thing I always think about is that same thing, like get closer and, and follow.00:56:45.996 --> 00:56:46.177


Yep.00:56:46.507 --> 00:56:54.547


Um, and at our marriage, our pastor said, you know, this notion that it's a 50 50 thing is completely stupid.00:56:54.547 --> 00:56:59.047


If you're not doing a hundred percent, a hundred percent, then you're doing it wrong.00:56:59.047 --> 00:56:59.286


Exactly.00:56:59.347 --> 00:57:01.266


You know, and so, exactly.00:57:01.266 --> 00:57:07.206


Apologies and, uh, uh, sorry to my wife for those times, I went out and wasn't giving my a hundred percent.00:57:07.507 --> 00:57:08.047


Amen.00:57:08.166 --> 00:57:08.782


Um, amen.00:57:08.827 --> 00:57:10.327


And I'll try to do it less.00:57:10.416 --> 00:57:10.626


Yep.00:57:11.226 --> 00:57:12.726


I feel like it's a good time for a break.00:58:02.842 --> 00:58:05.693


And we have a ping pong ball challenge.00:58:05.722 --> 00:58:08.722


Oh, uh, this is my random question generator.00:58:09.202 --> 00:58:09.742


All right.00:58:09.742 --> 00:58:13.373


And so what we're gonna do is have you draw three of these balls out, uhoh.00:58:13.583 --> 00:58:13.822


Oops.00:58:13.822 --> 00:58:14.273


I dropped one.00:58:15.237 --> 00:58:15.777


And, uh.00:58:16.887 --> 00:58:21.838


Uh, you can answer all three of them and, uh, we'll choose one.00:58:21.987 --> 00:58:22.288


Alright.00:58:22.438 --> 00:58:27.027


Um, to be our favorite question and somebody needs to write it and, and we'll give'em a prize.00:58:27.027 --> 00:58:27.867


So, alright.00:58:27.958 --> 00:58:29.788


Uh, so just grab three of those out of there?00:58:29.788 --> 00:58:29.938


Yeah.00:58:30.838 --> 00:58:33.237


1, 2, 3.00:58:34.737 --> 00:58:36.418


And you can go in any order.00:58:36.867 --> 00:58:37.438


All right.00:58:37.588 --> 00:58:40.288


Highest, lowest, whatever strikes your fancy.00:58:40.648 --> 00:58:41.907


Wait, this one is blank.00:58:41.998 --> 00:58:44.007


Oh, that must come from the ping pong.00:58:45.538 --> 00:58:45.898


The, in the room.00:58:45.898 --> 00:58:47.038


I picked it up and put it in there.00:58:47.097 --> 00:58:47.668


Let's go.00:58:48.237 --> 00:58:50.367


Ah, all right.00:58:50.577 --> 00:58:50.907


That's, there00:58:50.907 --> 00:58:51.297


we go.00:58:51.777 --> 00:58:52.288


That's funny.00:58:52.858 --> 00:58:53.277


All right.00:58:53.788 --> 00:58:54.927


I miracle.00:58:54.927 --> 00:58:55.728


Picked up two random balls.00:58:55.728 --> 00:58:55.887


Let's do it.00:58:56.097 --> 00:58:57.027


Numerical order.00:58:57.237 --> 00:58:57.568


Eight.00:58:57.838 --> 00:58:58.197


Eight.00:58:58.498 --> 00:58:59.938


Number of new beginnings.00:59:00.628 --> 00:59:05.277


What music or artist most reminds you of your childhood?00:59:06.268 --> 00:59:06.657


Ooh.00:59:07.378 --> 00:59:08.458


Music or artist?00:59:08.518 --> 00:59:08.878


Yeah.00:59:09.327 --> 00:59:10.288


Most reminds00:59:10.288 --> 00:59:11.262


me of childhood.00:59:11.262 --> 00:59:14.188


Think you were, what you were, like you said, late seventies.00:59:14.188 --> 00:59:14.338


Yep.00:59:14.338 --> 00:59:14.398


In00:59:14.398 --> 00:59:15.208


New York City.00:59:15.208 --> 00:59:15.342


So that's.00:59:15.952 --> 00:59:20.422


So I, I immediately go to, um, Casey in the Sunshine Battle.00:59:21.023 --> 00:59:21.713


That's cool.00:59:22.463 --> 00:59:25.027


Shake, shake, shake, shake your boot day boot.00:59:25.507 --> 00:59:26.588


Shake your booty.00:59:26.777 --> 00:59:30.052


Yeah, that's because it was disco back then.00:59:30.052 --> 00:59:31.132


Yeah.00:59:31.132 --> 00:59:31.143


Yeah.00:59:31.163 --> 00:59:34.492


Even the Rolling Stones had some disco songs from those days.00:59:34.523 --> 00:59:35.032


Oh yeah.00:59:35.032 --> 00:59:35.572


Um, who?00:59:42.217 --> 00:59:42.507


Yeah.00:59:42.512 --> 00:59:42.983


Yeah.00:59:43.668 --> 00:59:46.188


That was there.00:59:46.188 --> 00:59:46.387


It is.00:59:46.597 --> 00:59:46.947


Who's,00:59:49.367 --> 00:59:53.108


that's trying to meet you.00:59:54.057 --> 00:59:54.347


Okay.00:59:54.413 --> 00:59:54.802


Thank you.00:59:54.802 --> 00:59:55.402


That's good.00:59:55.402 --> 00:59:58.748


So the disco and Casey particularly, that was childhood.00:59:58.748 --> 00:59:59.027


Yeah.00:59:59.307 --> 00:59:59.628


I dig it.00:59:59.632 --> 01:00:00.083


Casey.01:00:00.083 --> 01:00:00.413


Yep.01:00:00.563 --> 01:00:01.163


All right.01:00:01.193 --> 01:00:02.063


Um.01:00:02.782 --> 01:00:05.813


Anybody else, like since then, do you have any favorite music now?01:00:05.902 --> 01:00:10.733


I mean, my favorite song, if you come to the arena, you, you hear that one?01:00:10.762 --> 01:00:11.063


Okay.01:00:11.123 --> 01:00:11.603


Pause.01:00:11.603 --> 01:00:12.143


The music.01:00:12.143 --> 01:00:18.052


Our, our dj, he, whenever, when I walk out of the tunnel, I've got my theme song that I come out to as well.01:00:18.052 --> 01:00:18.413


Okay.01:00:18.413 --> 01:00:18.922


What is that?01:00:19.072 --> 01:00:20.572


It's Cameo Candy.01:00:22.583 --> 01:00:23.273


You must s that one01:00:23.693 --> 01:00:24.143


for us a little bit.01:00:24.143 --> 01:00:24.382


Yeah.01:00:25.072 --> 01:00:26.512


I'll, I'll, I'll sit back.01:00:26.577 --> 01:00:26.867


Boom.01:00:33.367 --> 01:00:34.507


Oh yes.01:00:38.297 --> 01:00:38.668


Love it.01:00:38.728 --> 01:00:39.228


It is just01:00:39.318 --> 01:00:39.668


candy.01:00:41.148 --> 01:00:41.907


I can feel it,01:00:41.918 --> 01:00:42.268


right?01:00:42.498 --> 01:00:42.788


Walk.01:00:43.047 --> 01:00:43.427


Oh yeah.01:00:43.427 --> 01:00:45.952


That's, that's, thank you for that.01:00:46.012 --> 01:00:48.052


That's the Jab Loving it.01:00:48.143 --> 01:00:48.833


Favorite song.01:00:49.913 --> 01:00:50.693


That's, that's the one.01:00:50.693 --> 01:00:52.643


It it, it sets the tone for the night.01:00:52.748 --> 01:00:53.108


I dig it.01:00:53.333 --> 01:00:53.932


I dig it so01:00:53.932 --> 01:00:54.322


much.01:00:54.773 --> 01:00:56.302


Um, next ball, please.01:00:56.333 --> 01:00:57.083


All right.01:00:57.083 --> 01:00:57.563


What are we going for?01:00:57.563 --> 01:00:57.652


10.01:00:59.438 --> 01:01:00.487


Quick succession.01:01:00.818 --> 01:01:05.108


What's a hobby or skill you've always wanted to pick up, but haven't yet?01:01:06.157 --> 01:01:07.418


That's a good question.01:01:07.568 --> 01:01:09.103


Uh, kind of exploring that though.01:01:09.103 --> 01:01:11.438


It's one that, and I don't know that I will ever pick it up.01:01:11.498 --> 01:01:11.827


Okay.01:01:12.338 --> 01:01:17.677


I've always, like I said, I would love to surf.01:01:17.827 --> 01:01:18.188


Oh.01:01:18.967 --> 01:01:19.987


But not just surf.01:01:20.018 --> 01:01:23.708


Like I would love to experience what it's like to go through a pipeline01:01:23.947 --> 01:01:24.338


Oh.01:01:24.338 --> 01:01:24.577


Where the01:01:24.577 --> 01:01:25.418


water is just01:01:25.422 --> 01:01:26.677


totally like big wave surfing.01:01:26.733 --> 01:01:27.938


Yeah, yeah, yeah.01:01:27.998 --> 01:01:29.047


I would love and not dying.01:01:30.277 --> 01:01:30.697


Yes.01:01:30.728 --> 01:01:35.467


You need a lot of practice to do that before you could be not dead, but, but I would, I would've01:01:35.467 --> 01:01:37.117


loved to have experienced that.01:01:37.117 --> 01:01:37.358


Well, these01:01:37.358 --> 01:01:42.068


days though, actually, like you can hire one of those guys that ride the Seadoos.01:01:42.068 --> 01:01:44.557


I'm not gonna do it just to drop you off wherever.01:01:44.557 --> 01:01:45.623


You know, as long as you,01:01:48.818 --> 01:01:53.257


they get into the pipe, how what you do with that pipe is gonna be Yep.01:01:53.257 --> 01:01:54.128


They can get me there.01:01:54.128 --> 01:01:54.608


But yeah.01:01:55.148 --> 01:01:55.568


But yeah.01:01:55.568 --> 01:01:56.288


The experience.01:01:56.288 --> 01:01:56.527


What?01:01:56.648 --> 01:01:56.978


Yeah.01:01:56.978 --> 01:01:59.108


I could only imagine what that sounds like.01:01:59.108 --> 01:01:59.257


Yeah.01:01:59.257 --> 01:02:00.248


It's probably tube.01:02:00.338 --> 01:02:05.378


Yeah, I bet there's like a certain kind roar that is just unlike anything else.01:02:05.378 --> 01:02:05.797


Yeah.01:02:05.827 --> 01:02:07.632


You know, the water just totally like that.01:02:07.688 --> 01:02:07.987


Yeah.01:02:08.018 --> 01:02:09.938


So that would've been one.01:02:10.057 --> 01:02:10.358


Yeah.01:02:10.867 --> 01:02:11.978


Not, probably not gonna happen.01:02:11.978 --> 01:02:13.478


Maybe, um, what?01:02:13.483 --> 01:02:16.447


Those wingsuits might be a similar feeling in some ways.01:02:16.507 --> 01:02:16.898


Oh.01:02:16.898 --> 01:02:17.708


Where the people are doing?01:02:18.547 --> 01:02:19.507


No, I'm not gonna do that either.01:02:19.748 --> 01:02:21.833


No, that one's not gonna happen.01:02:22.268 --> 01:02:24.068


I love to swim and yeah.01:02:24.668 --> 01:02:26.108


Surfing sounds a little more rational.01:02:26.108 --> 01:02:26.168


Yeah.01:02:27.367 --> 01:02:28.568


Let's have that last number.01:02:28.838 --> 01:02:30.367


Uh, 13.01:02:30.367 --> 01:02:31.597


13.01:02:32.677 --> 01:02:37.057


What's a book, movie or a podcast that's had a big impact on your life?01:02:37.117 --> 01:02:38.887


The Bible, the word of God.01:02:38.918 --> 01:02:39.157


Yeah.01:02:39.547 --> 01:02:40.057


Period.01:02:40.057 --> 01:02:41.168


Still is there a book?01:02:41.918 --> 01:02:47.347


That's a big book, but is there a book, uh, within that, that's been most impactful to you?01:02:47.407 --> 01:02:48.068


And maybe let's mm-hmm.01:02:48.307 --> 01:02:51.398


Let me, let me get an Old Testament fave and a New Testament01:02:51.398 --> 01:02:51.728


fave.01:02:52.148 --> 01:02:57.998


Um, old Testament would be, well, definitely in the 23rd Psalm.01:02:58.057 --> 01:02:58.748


That's one.01:02:59.347 --> 01:03:01.088


I was kind of raised on that one.01:03:01.088 --> 01:03:04.628


Every Thanksgiving we, we had to recite that as well.01:03:04.717 --> 01:03:06.818


Is that the walk us me through green pastures thing?01:03:06.818 --> 01:03:07.538


Yeah, absolutely.01:03:07.538 --> 01:03:07.898


Yeah.01:03:07.898 --> 01:03:07.907


Yeah.01:03:07.958 --> 01:03:10.057


The Lord is my shepherd shall not, I shall not want.01:03:10.117 --> 01:03:10.327


Mm-hmm.01:03:11.108 --> 01:03:19.088


Um, other than that Old Testament, I mean, I, so would you say the whole book of Psalms or the Yeah.01:03:19.148 --> 01:03:20.467


Sal and Proverbs?01:03:20.708 --> 01:03:20.918


Yeah.01:03:20.978 --> 01:03:21.307


Yeah.01:03:21.307 --> 01:03:21.907


Proverbs.01:03:21.907 --> 01:03:26.262


Like, there's many times where I'll just do a proverb a day.01:03:26.882 --> 01:03:27.302


Mm-hmm.01:03:27.382 --> 01:03:28.838


And you know, just the book of wisdom.01:03:29.077 --> 01:03:29.347


Yeah.01:03:29.407 --> 01:03:31.208


Um, but there, there's just.01:03:32.108 --> 01:03:32.918


Just so many.01:03:33.907 --> 01:03:34.237


Yeah.01:03:34.568 --> 01:03:37.148


Like Isaiah, all the prophecies going on there.01:03:37.148 --> 01:03:37.157


Mm-hmm.01:03:37.233 --> 01:03:43.027


And there's just no way that, you know, that, that Jesus, I mean, he's just fulfilled like, oh my gosh.01:03:43.027 --> 01:03:43.418


That was my01:03:43.418 --> 01:03:47.047


first, uh, season in, uh, Bible study fellowship.01:03:47.052 --> 01:03:47.092


Mm-hmm.01:03:47.233 --> 01:03:49.027


Uh, right after I became a Christian.01:03:49.027 --> 01:03:51.907


But then we studied the history of Israel in the minor prophets.01:03:52.538 --> 01:03:52.568


Mm.01:03:52.568 --> 01:03:53.467


I was like, oh, yeah.01:03:53.472 --> 01:03:53.693


Yeah.01:03:53.693 --> 01:03:54.012


Mm-hmm.01:03:54.092 --> 01:03:54.333


Mm-hmm.01:03:54.608 --> 01:03:55.748


Made the right decision.01:03:55.748 --> 01:03:57.967


I kind of, I kind of made the decision on faith.01:03:58.177 --> 01:03:58.447


Yep.01:03:58.597 --> 01:04:02.498


And then I got so much more information to justify my faith.01:04:02.932 --> 01:04:03.132


Absolutely.01:04:03.277 --> 01:04:03.608


Absolutely.01:04:03.608 --> 01:04:04.297


It was like the,01:04:04.327 --> 01:04:05.648


the one two punch for me.01:04:05.648 --> 01:04:06.398


Mm-hmm.01:04:06.458 --> 01:04:09.818


And then two others that stand out for me in the book.01:04:10.538 --> 01:04:11.617


The Book of Esther.01:04:11.623 --> 01:04:12.012


Mm-hmm.01:04:12.307 --> 01:04:14.137


I did a study on that one recently.01:04:14.137 --> 01:04:14.532


God is not mentioned.01:04:14.918 --> 01:04:15.398


Right.01:04:15.458 --> 01:04:17.797


And he's not mentioned, but he was there all along.01:04:17.827 --> 01:04:18.248


Totally.01:04:18.637 --> 01:04:18.998


Woo.01:04:19.057 --> 01:04:19.958


I'm getting my arm.01:04:19.958 --> 01:04:20.498


Yeah.01:04:20.498 --> 01:04:21.907


Just standing up on that way.01:04:21.907 --> 01:04:23.108


It's a total favorite of mine.01:04:23.108 --> 01:04:24.697


He orchestrated the whole thing.01:04:24.697 --> 01:04:25.148


Right.01:04:25.148 --> 01:04:26.918


That's just, oh man.01:04:26.918 --> 01:04:27.097


That's.01:04:27.893 --> 01:04:29.873


And then the book of Jonah.01:04:30.563 --> 01:04:39.023


I was, I, there was a revelation at that one at the very end that that's, that's where, you know, we, God's word is alive.01:04:39.023 --> 01:04:49.518


It's the living and the, when you read the book of Jonah, when you, if when you get to the end, you under, you realize he's talking to you, the reader mm-hmm.01:04:49.818 --> 01:04:50.632


At the end there.01:04:51.083 --> 01:04:59.963


And so in the, the New Testament, for me it's, uh, the book of Romans that's, uh, that was the one, especially the seven chapter and then the eight chapter.01:04:59.963 --> 01:05:00.083


It's,01:05:00.117 --> 01:05:06.713


it's like the, the comprehensive, uh, overall study guide to the New Testament in some ways.01:05:06.802 --> 01:05:07.132


Absolutely.01:05:07.132 --> 01:05:08.572


You know, Hebrews a little bit is like that.01:05:08.572 --> 01:05:08.663


Mm-hmm.01:05:08.663 --> 01:05:09.862


But Romans even more so.01:05:09.867 --> 01:05:10.157


Yeah.01:05:10.313 --> 01:05:10.612


Yeah.01:05:10.882 --> 01:05:12.742


I was just thinking about Jonah a little bit and.01:05:15.353 --> 01:05:17.813


I'm self critiquing myself a little bit.01:05:17.813 --> 01:05:22.853


I feel like I might still be in the reluctant Jonah part of my journey.01:05:22.972 --> 01:05:23.242


Yeah.01:05:23.273 --> 01:05:36.682


You know, I know God's got a special hand on me and has blessed me in different ways that are spectacular, but I haven't probably given myself as fully as you have and been as dedicated in some ways, and I'm not kicking and screaming.01:05:36.802 --> 01:05:37.043


Yeah.01:05:37.072 --> 01:05:39.143


You know, I'm going along for the ride, but maybe not.01:05:39.802 --> 01:05:39.893


Mm-hmm.01:05:39.893 --> 01:05:43.012


Pushing for his will be done, you know, where, where it can01:05:43.012 --> 01:05:43.672


impact it.01:05:43.913 --> 01:05:48.353


There's a little bit of Jonah, I should probably read a and everybody, I should probably read that book a little more closely.01:05:48.353 --> 01:05:56.902


Perhaps every, just whenever, wherever, wherever, wherever you find yourself, where the, you find yourself, where the Holy Spirit is taken.01:05:56.902 --> 01:05:58.463


You just roll with it.01:05:58.733 --> 01:05:58.972


Yeah.01:05:59.032 --> 01:05:59.663


Roll with it.01:06:00.503 --> 01:06:04.373


Let me ask you about, um, most important men in your life.01:06:04.432 --> 01:06:04.793


Mm-hmm.01:06:05.182 --> 01:06:08.693


Um, you, you've mentioned, you know, a dad that wasn't really there, a stepdad.01:06:08.697 --> 01:06:08.728


Mm-hmm.01:06:08.807 --> 01:06:08.818


Mm-hmm.01:06:09.262 --> 01:06:12.262


But you must have had some amazing male influences along the way.01:06:12.563 --> 01:06:13.313


Absolutely.01:06:14.063 --> 01:06:19.492


Um, so like I said, God, my mother said, she asked that God to be my father.01:06:19.492 --> 01:06:19.552


Yeah.01:06:19.552 --> 01:06:22.853


And he was in so many different ways, and he still is to this day.01:06:23.213 --> 01:06:32.512


Uh, my current, my pastor now Pastor Alvin Simkins, he's a definitely a, a a a a even father, 50-year-old.01:06:32.512 --> 01:06:33.262


Something year old perhaps.01:06:33.262 --> 01:06:34.043


Absolutely.01:06:34.047 --> 01:06:34.248


Yeah.01:06:34.253 --> 01:06:34.492


Yeah.01:06:34.523 --> 01:06:42.172


He's someone I can go to, you know, just words of wisdom or whatever, or just for me, I'm visual, so I'm just, I just observe him.01:06:42.177 --> 01:06:42.288


Mm-hmm.01:06:42.447 --> 01:06:51.802


I observe how he's gone through tragedy and different things and how he walked through that with the Lord and how, and it just has taught me so much.01:06:51.802 --> 01:06:51.862


Yeah.01:06:52.373 --> 01:06:59.302


And he's just always, he's a, um, always pouring into men and, and he's just poured into me.01:06:59.302 --> 01:07:03.052


And, and so there's, you know, individuals like him, um.01:07:03.878 --> 01:07:12.728


Um, one, another pastor that, uh, he, he just recently passed away, uh, Reverend Peters, um, from New Hope Baptist Church.01:07:12.728 --> 01:07:14.378


He was a father figure for me.01:07:14.737 --> 01:07:28.507


Um, there were certain, there was a couple of deacons that were there, deacon Ely and, uh, deacon Henderson that, uh, that, you know, my mother was able to call on them during some dark patches and, you know.01:07:28.597 --> 01:07:28.958


Yeah.01:07:28.958 --> 01:07:32.108


Can you, can you speak to them and speak to, you know, right.01:07:32.108 --> 01:07:33.847


When you were being an naughty kid, you mean?01:07:33.847 --> 01:07:34.387


Absolutely.01:07:34.867 --> 01:07:37.237


That was part of why you weren't getting good grades, I reckon.01:07:37.268 --> 01:07:37.838


Totally.01:07:37.898 --> 01:07:38.438


Totally.01:07:38.467 --> 01:07:38.768


Yeah.01:07:38.768 --> 01:07:45.967


But, you know, at just different points and, and then there was just people that I looked up to that I, you know, they didn't know that I was looking up to'em.01:07:45.967 --> 01:07:46.748


I just, yeah.01:07:47.108 --> 01:07:47.978


From a, from a distance.01:07:48.367 --> 01:07:50.648


Um, and, uh.01:07:51.472 --> 01:07:54.353


Yeah, I would just watch, watch how they carried themselves.01:07:54.358 --> 01:07:54.713


Yeah, yeah.01:07:54.713 --> 01:07:55.222


Or whatever.01:07:55.222 --> 01:07:59.483


And, and so there's, um, you know, just lots of people like that.01:07:59.813 --> 01:08:07.402


And then, uh, being in a, in a single parent home, but being an only child, yeah.01:08:07.733 --> 01:08:10.342


Back then I, I watched a lot of television.01:08:10.523 --> 01:08:10.943


Okay.01:08:11.483 --> 01:08:14.063


And so, you know, uh.01:08:14.648 --> 01:08:18.037


There was a fictional character, but the Cosby Show Sure.01:08:18.037 --> 01:08:23.318


You know, for me, you know, oh, bill Cosby, he was, he was the man, Keith Cliff Huxtable.01:08:23.648 --> 01:08:25.703


He was, he was a father figure for me, man, it's such a01:08:25.707 --> 01:08:28.177


tragedy that he had all those acqui.01:08:28.207 --> 01:08:31.627


I, I used to, I was in speech when I was a, like a seventh, eighth grader.01:08:31.632 --> 01:08:31.703


Mm-hmm.01:08:32.438 --> 01:08:35.978


And I always gravitated towards the Bill Cosby stuff.01:08:35.978 --> 01:08:36.037


Yeah.01:08:36.042 --> 01:08:44.887


And, and one of my speeches where I killed it was, uh, was my favorite line of his was, I don't know, the secret to success.01:08:44.917 --> 01:08:45.337


Mm-hmm.01:08:45.637 --> 01:08:48.667


But the secret to failure is to try to please everybody.01:08:48.667 --> 01:08:48.677


Mm.01:08:50.287 --> 01:08:51.323


And you can't quote that anymore.01:08:51.323 --> 01:08:55.837


'cause it's a Bill Cosby quote and it is not Proverbs and it's not Romans, but Right, right.01:08:55.957 --> 01:08:57.188


He was a smart dude.01:08:57.188 --> 01:08:57.488


Yeah.01:08:57.698 --> 01:08:58.387


At insightful.01:08:58.393 --> 01:08:59.467


And I, I learned a lot.01:08:59.557 --> 01:08:59.768


Yeah.01:08:59.768 --> 01:09:00.007


Yeah.01:09:00.097 --> 01:09:00.698


I learned a lot.01:09:00.698 --> 01:09:01.177


That's cool.01:09:01.837 --> 01:09:07.087


Um, are you open to the, to talking about race relations?01:09:07.342 --> 01:09:08.608


And Yeah.01:09:08.613 --> 01:09:08.752


Yeah.01:09:09.047 --> 01:09:09.533


I mean, yeah.01:09:09.622 --> 01:09:10.222


A little bit.01:09:10.252 --> 01:09:10.372


Yeah.01:09:10.403 --> 01:09:15.292


Like I could see that, you know, Scott Kissel was a brother from another mother when you guys were interacting and stuff.01:09:15.353 --> 01:09:15.472


Yeah.01:09:16.012 --> 01:09:17.752


You've been in an urban environment.01:09:17.757 --> 01:09:17.967


Mm-hmm.01:09:18.047 --> 01:09:18.408


Mostly.01:09:18.828 --> 01:09:19.247


Mm-hmm.01:09:19.552 --> 01:09:24.592


You know, we're five years removed from the BBL M days and stuff, all that stuff.01:09:24.653 --> 01:09:24.712


Yeah.01:09:24.712 --> 01:09:31.643


Are we better, worse, is the same as when Obama took office 20 years ago or whatever.01:09:31.643 --> 01:09:32.932


It's been like, yeah.01:09:32.962 --> 01:09:33.353


How do we01:09:33.353 --> 01:09:33.922


get there?01:09:33.922 --> 01:09:41.033


Like, I think our, you know, the, the landscape I, for me, I don't really expect for it to get better.01:09:41.063 --> 01:09:41.363


Hmm.01:09:41.872 --> 01:09:45.533


You know, the, that's part of prophecy, the devil's place01:09:45.533 --> 01:09:49.403


in the world is to keep a, a stick in that pot or something.01:09:49.972 --> 01:09:51.052


It's a simple world01:09:51.203 --> 01:09:52.283


we, that we live in.01:09:52.283 --> 01:09:54.773


And so I don't, I don't expect for it to get better.01:09:55.162 --> 01:09:55.733


Um.01:09:56.363 --> 01:10:00.472


I fully anticipate the second coming of our Lord and Savior.01:10:00.472 --> 01:10:00.592


Yeah.01:10:01.222 --> 01:10:07.703


And, and so I don't have those expectations, you know, there's lots of different voices and all that.01:10:08.092 --> 01:10:09.502


Um, but, but yeah.01:10:09.502 --> 01:10:10.103


Interesting.01:10:10.188 --> 01:10:10.478


Okay.01:10:10.733 --> 01:10:11.212


Yeah.01:10:11.273 --> 01:10:15.802


For me, as far as race go, I, I was raised there.01:10:16.103 --> 01:10:21.502


Like I said, there was lots of people that took me in, that my mother relied on.01:10:21.502 --> 01:10:21.863


Yeah.01:10:22.252 --> 01:10:23.872


And they were from every race.01:10:23.903 --> 01:10:24.832


I wondered about that.01:10:24.837 --> 01:10:24.877


Yeah.01:10:24.983 --> 01:10:25.042


Yeah.01:10:25.042 --> 01:10:30.082


And so one of my father figures were the Knicks and the Pritchards.01:10:30.082 --> 01:10:32.033


And those are Caucasian brothers.01:10:32.063 --> 01:10:32.363


Yeah.01:10:32.842 --> 01:10:37.818


And um, also the Medina and Yeah.01:10:38.182 --> 01:10:42.743


And they, they all took me, there was a lot of people that played a role in my life.01:10:42.747 --> 01:10:42.938


Yeah.01:10:42.943 --> 01:10:43.162


Yeah.01:10:43.162 --> 01:10:45.382


And, and so for me.01:10:46.222 --> 01:10:51.472


I, I love just being a part of, you know, multiple races and whatnot.01:10:51.653 --> 01:10:59.393


Even where we live in, in Denver, it's, it's like a, there's like different cultures and different people that are there and whatnot.01:10:59.483 --> 01:10:59.722


Yeah.01:10:59.722 --> 01:11:00.472


And so, yeah.01:11:00.472 --> 01:11:00.483


Yeah.01:11:01.073 --> 01:11:10.643


This is a sensitive question,, but it feels to me like back in those days, like there actually was quite a bit more racism almost from whites to black.01:11:11.078 --> 01:11:11.497


Mm-hmm.01:11:11.578 --> 01:11:11.842


But I don't know.01:11:11.903 --> 01:11:14.898


My, the question is, and that's why we can censor it if you want to mm-hmm.01:11:14.978 --> 01:11:20.632


Is do you think there's more racism from whites to black or black to whites in today's world?01:11:20.632 --> 01:11:23.783


'cause in some ways it feels kind of, yeah.01:11:23.813 --> 01:11:24.472


Both ways.01:11:24.533 --> 01:11:26.603


Uh, more magnified.01:11:26.932 --> 01:11:28.283


And that's what I would say.01:11:28.283 --> 01:11:30.172


I think it's probably both ways.01:11:30.262 --> 01:11:36.712


Um, was it that way then, like was there racism from blacks to wakes in the early nineties, or was that not as much of a thing?01:11:37.222 --> 01:11:41.363


It's just for me, it just wasn't my experience wasn't your experience anyway.01:11:41.393 --> 01:11:44.603


I mean, I did experience racism, I did experience that.01:11:44.722 --> 01:11:56.302


Um, you know, I, I, you know, I know I've had the conversation, you know, the police conversation and the tending to, and, and you're a big, and I've scary black guy, right?01:11:56.662 --> 01:11:56.722


Yeah.01:11:56.728 --> 01:12:05.063


I've, I've had that, but I'm also like, for whatever reason, I, I, I just, I pray that it's just a Christ in me.01:12:06.082 --> 01:12:08.842


People feel safe ish.01:12:09.143 --> 01:12:12.052


Welcome to, and open to, to approach me.01:12:12.057 --> 01:12:12.167


Yeah.01:12:12.167 --> 01:12:12.287


Yeah.01:12:12.292 --> 01:12:12.533


Yeah.01:12:12.832 --> 01:12:16.103


And it doesn't, and it doesn't matter who they are, doesn't matter to you either.01:12:16.103 --> 01:12:16.493


No.01:12:16.493 --> 01:12:21.592


And I mean, but I've experie, I've, yeah, I've experienced different things, but I just.01:12:22.898 --> 01:12:23.467


I don't know.01:12:23.528 --> 01:12:26.887


I just, I think I'm, I, I don't know.01:12:26.887 --> 01:12:29.332


I just have the love of Christ in my heart.01:12:29.337 --> 01:12:29.438


Right.01:12:29.528 --> 01:12:30.877


Well, and I, I'm thinking about my01:12:30.877 --> 01:12:33.997


own church when I, when I ask that question apart because mm-hmm.01:12:34.238 --> 01:12:36.877


Like, we've got a pretty multicultural church mm-hmm.01:12:36.884 --> 01:12:39.007


Little church, 250 people or something.01:12:39.158 --> 01:12:39.337


Mm-hmm.01:12:40.328 --> 01:12:43.417


Not that many black couples, not that many white couples.01:12:43.417 --> 01:12:43.427


Right.01:12:43.427 --> 01:12:46.238


Not that many Asian couples, but a lot of mixed race couples.01:12:46.243 --> 01:12:46.332


Mm-hmm.01:12:46.552 --> 01:12:49.853


Um, and there's, in my mind, no sense of Right.01:12:49.853 --> 01:12:50.797


Any kind of racist stuff.01:12:50.797 --> 01:12:53.828


We're all sons and daughters of Christ in that building especially.01:12:53.828 --> 01:12:54.247


Yeah.01:12:54.757 --> 01:12:56.287


That's kind of where I am with it.01:12:56.408 --> 01:12:56.707


Yeah.01:12:56.707 --> 01:13:00.097


I don't ignore, you know, history or anything.01:13:00.457 --> 01:13:01.898


I don't take it for granted.01:13:01.898 --> 01:13:10.167


I don't, um, uh, I don't, uh, I'm not living bitter or anything like that.01:13:10.167 --> 01:13:10.412


Right, right.01:13:10.533 --> 01:13:12.698


I, I, I'm just focused forward.01:13:12.698 --> 01:13:13.988


That's part of turning a new chapter.01:13:14.018 --> 01:13:14.318


Yeah.01:13:14.648 --> 01:13:15.217


Not even that.01:13:15.217 --> 01:13:16.068


You ever had that much.01:13:17.092 --> 01:13:20.033


Life and, and time is, is precious.01:13:20.092 --> 01:13:20.363


Yeah.01:13:20.603 --> 01:13:24.712


And so for me that's, it's just not a focus of mine.01:13:24.712 --> 01:13:25.337


Sure, sure.01:13:25.342 --> 01:13:27.052


I really, yeah.01:13:27.052 --> 01:13:28.012


I was just like in prison,01:13:28.012 --> 01:13:29.542


everybody's the same race mostly.01:13:29.632 --> 01:13:31.252


Is there racism in prisons?01:13:31.252 --> 01:13:40.372


You had that ministry going for a long time or Probably, but I, I, we, we weren't like, were your prison teams you were playing, was it a mix of whites and Hispanics and blacks and whatever?01:13:40.377 --> 01:13:40.658


Yeah, they were.01:13:41.182 --> 01:13:41.483


Yeah.01:13:41.632 --> 01:13:45.172


I dunno, to me that just feels like part of the, we're all the same camp here.01:13:47.393 --> 01:13:47.453


Yeah.01:13:47.457 --> 01:13:50.783


That's, or on the inside, you know, that's the same class much more than Yeah.01:13:50.842 --> 01:13:51.922


They were the prison race.01:13:52.012 --> 01:13:52.403


Right.01:13:52.408 --> 01:13:52.738


Kind of.01:13:53.207 --> 01:13:53.497


Yeah.01:13:54.137 --> 01:13:54.497


I don't know.01:13:54.497 --> 01:13:55.297


That's intriguing.01:13:55.297 --> 01:13:55.578


Mm-hmm.01:13:55.792 --> 01:13:58.762


And I hope you're not, I don't sense any offense in these questions.01:13:58.762 --> 01:14:01.853


I'm just curious as a sociologist, armchair guy of01:14:01.853 --> 01:14:02.302


sorts.01:14:02.302 --> 01:14:03.682


Maybe it's just Yeah.01:14:03.682 --> 01:14:10.853


That my experiences that for, I was fortunate where lots of people took me in.01:14:10.943 --> 01:14:11.033


Yeah.01:14:11.033 --> 01:14:13.733


Lots of people played a role in, in my life.01:14:14.677 --> 01:14:17.738


And they just so happened to be people of different colors.01:14:17.797 --> 01:14:18.247


Yeah.01:14:18.247 --> 01:14:18.257


Yeah.01:14:18.518 --> 01:14:19.717


And my color too.01:14:19.722 --> 01:14:20.287


Right, right, right.01:14:20.287 --> 01:14:22.868


And so it was, it was every color.01:14:22.868 --> 01:14:25.957


And, and I think maybe that was mean.01:14:25.957 --> 01:14:26.828


All of our experiences01:14:26.828 --> 01:14:31.957


have kind of a, a Joseph coat, kind of a experience of many colors, right?01:14:32.167 --> 01:14:32.797


Mm-hmm.01:14:32.858 --> 01:14:33.247


I don't know.01:14:33.307 --> 01:14:36.278


I think it's'cause I grew up in white bread, North Dakota, like.01:14:36.637 --> 01:14:38.212


There was one black person in my region.01:14:38.217 --> 01:14:39.247


Oh, when you say that too, region.01:14:39.247 --> 01:14:39.488


You know01:14:39.488 --> 01:14:43.778


my, so my uncle was the first black veterinarian in North Dakota.01:14:43.837 --> 01:14:43.957


Oh,01:14:43.957 --> 01:14:44.828


is that right?01:14:45.097 --> 01:14:45.787


Interesting.01:14:45.877 --> 01:14:46.658


He lived, when01:14:46.658 --> 01:14:48.698


it was called, he lived in Powers Lake.01:14:48.908 --> 01:14:49.387


Okay.01:14:49.478 --> 01:14:53.167


Which is about 70 miles in some direction from Minot.01:14:53.287 --> 01:14:54.158


Oh wow.01:14:54.908 --> 01:14:55.207


Probably01:14:55.238 --> 01:14:55.597


so.01:14:55.688 --> 01:14:57.097


West of Minot maybe.01:14:57.097 --> 01:14:59.408


I'm from about 70 miles south and east of Minot.01:14:59.467 --> 01:14:59.948


Okay.01:15:00.037 --> 01:15:00.608


Yeah.01:15:00.967 --> 01:15:02.497


I don't, I don't know where exactly.01:15:02.497 --> 01:15:03.667


Do you know why not Minot?01:15:04.417 --> 01:15:05.137


Uh, why not?01:15:05.137 --> 01:15:06.728


Minot freezes the reason.01:15:06.757 --> 01:15:07.537


Okay.01:15:07.537 --> 01:15:11.557


I believe that there's an Air Force base up there and, uh oh.01:15:11.618 --> 01:15:12.337


Yep, yep, yep.01:15:12.488 --> 01:15:14.707


That's probably, I went there once to visit him.01:15:14.797 --> 01:15:15.518


Okay, cool.01:15:15.523 --> 01:15:15.533


Mm-hmm.01:15:15.653 --> 01:15:15.893


Mm-hmm.01:15:15.972 --> 01:15:16.172


Yeah.01:15:16.172 --> 01:15:16.332


Yeah.01:15:16.332 --> 01:15:16.613


Mm-hmm.01:15:16.693 --> 01:15:19.417


So, so you've experienced, was it summertime, so, oh yeah.01:15:19.537 --> 01:15:19.868


Okay.01:15:21.938 --> 01:15:22.537


Nothing wrong with the winter.01:15:22.537 --> 01:15:25.297


No, don't mess with the winter in North Dakota.01:15:25.868 --> 01:15:28.177


Are you ready for our, it was July 4th as a matter of fact.01:15:28.177 --> 01:15:28.387


Oh yeah.01:15:28.478 --> 01:15:28.837


Perfect.01:15:28.837 --> 01:15:32.228


With that week, that's like, yeah, the fireworks, you can't even shoot em until like 10 30.01:15:32.228 --> 01:15:33.637


'cause it's still light outside.01:15:33.637 --> 01:15:33.847


Yeah.01:15:34.778 --> 01:15:37.988


The low co experience is our namesake of the podcast.01:15:38.018 --> 01:15:38.108


Mm-hmm.01:15:38.347 --> 01:15:45.518


And so that's, uh, for us, the closing segment as well, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.01:15:46.207 --> 01:15:47.118


Ooh, I have to think of that one.01:15:47.872 --> 01:15:53.962


And it might be a moment, could be a near death experience just about get run over by a semi on I 70 when you were hitchhiking.01:15:53.962 --> 01:15:54.382


I don't know.01:15:54.382 --> 01:15:58.103


Oh, uh, getting called by God at this moment in time.01:15:58.103 --> 01:15:59.542


I remember I got hit by a motorcycle.01:15:59.603 --> 01:15:59.813


Oh.01:16:01.297 --> 01:16:03.563


If, if that's I was being disobedient.01:16:03.863 --> 01:16:07.193


Was, and that was, as a kid, I was riding a, my bike in City Park.01:16:07.222 --> 01:16:08.573


I wasn't supposed to be there.01:16:08.632 --> 01:16:09.143


Okay.01:16:09.233 --> 01:16:13.943


And, uh, it was myself and my next door neighbors and we were riding our bikes.01:16:13.943 --> 01:16:17.182


It's, that's back when kids rode their bikes all over the place.01:16:17.422 --> 01:16:17.512


Right.01:16:17.512 --> 01:16:18.143


And, and so bring it back.01:16:18.342 --> 01:16:18.792


Bring it back.01:16:18.792 --> 01:16:19.182


Yeah.01:16:19.512 --> 01:16:20.172


We did that.01:16:20.563 --> 01:16:22.483


And so this is in Denver, I guess not New York.01:16:22.483 --> 01:16:22.752


Yep.01:16:22.752 --> 01:16:23.113


Denver.01:16:23.113 --> 01:16:24.462


Denver City Park there.01:16:24.462 --> 01:16:27.222


And, and, uh, was trying to cross one of the streets.01:16:27.222 --> 01:16:34.962


And this guy, they used to have like city park, the roads there used to be open and there'd be cars in there and all of that.01:16:34.962 --> 01:16:35.443


And yeah.01:16:35.443 --> 01:16:35.453


Yeah.01:16:35.453 --> 01:16:38.712


So some guy was flying on his motorcycle and, and I got hit.01:16:39.018 --> 01:16:39.347


Oh, dang.01:16:39.967 --> 01:16:41.082


And so I got busted.01:16:41.773 --> 01:16:41.983


Oh.01:16:41.983 --> 01:16:43.842


I was more concerned about getting in trouble.01:16:44.047 --> 01:16:44.787


You snuck out?01:16:45.648 --> 01:16:45.868


Yes.01:16:46.807 --> 01:16:47.268


And what01:16:47.427 --> 01:16:47.467


happened?01:16:47.488 --> 01:16:48.853


Did you break any bones?01:16:48.853 --> 01:16:49.627


You go down, he broke.01:16:49.648 --> 01:16:49.868


No,01:16:49.872 --> 01:16:51.703


he broke his collarbone and all that.01:16:51.703 --> 01:16:54.613


I came away with that little scratch out there.01:16:55.363 --> 01:16:56.382


No, that was it.01:16:56.863 --> 01:16:59.563


And I was just more nervous and scared about getting in trouble.01:16:59.563 --> 01:17:00.462


Did you, did you get away with it?01:17:00.523 --> 01:17:01.587


Like No, no.01:17:01.632 --> 01:17:04.363


There was, cops got grounded stuff and whatever else got grounded.01:17:04.422 --> 01:17:04.993


Yeah.01:17:05.268 --> 01:17:08.323


I, I got my bike taken away for like a year.01:17:08.712 --> 01:17:09.283


Wow.01:17:09.313 --> 01:17:09.582


Yeah.01:17:09.643 --> 01:17:10.422


Oh dang.01:17:10.422 --> 01:17:11.233


It was a tough one.01:17:11.472 --> 01:17:12.432


What's your mama's name?01:17:12.472 --> 01:17:13.733


Hi, Shirley.01:17:13.738 --> 01:17:14.037


Shirley.01:17:14.247 --> 01:17:14.717


Spell her.01:17:14.717 --> 01:17:14.877


Shirley.01:17:14.882 --> 01:17:15.082


Yeah.01:17:15.082 --> 01:17:16.432


I wish you were still with us.01:17:16.462 --> 01:17:16.552


Yeah.01:17:16.643 --> 01:17:19.792


Um, and uh, thanks for being strict with this boy.01:17:19.912 --> 01:17:20.092


Yep.01:17:20.302 --> 01:17:24.262


'cause he might've got into a lot more trouble if it wouldn't have been for that strong mama.01:17:24.262 --> 01:17:24.622


Sure.01:17:24.622 --> 01:17:24.832


Would've.01:17:25.703 --> 01:17:30.052


Um, do you have any subjects, does jour your book name again?01:17:30.052 --> 01:17:33.113


Do you wanna repeat that for We're gonna close up this show here.01:17:33.292 --> 01:17:33.382


Sure.01:17:33.382 --> 01:17:34.792


Corporate marriage c corporate marriage.01:17:34.792 --> 01:17:36.502


Look for that early next spring.01:17:36.533 --> 01:17:36.773


Yeah.01:17:36.773 --> 01:17:38.813


Get it for your wife for Valentine's Day.01:17:38.813 --> 01:17:38.872


Yeah.01:17:38.872 --> 01:17:42.323


If you're a good God-fearing man and it comes out in time.01:17:42.743 --> 01:17:43.493


Yeah, exactly.01:17:44.438 --> 01:17:44.677


I know.01:17:44.677 --> 01:17:46.372


Those last edits and stuff are always fun.01:17:46.372 --> 01:17:47.573


Just wanna pour into people.01:17:47.752 --> 01:17:47.993


Pour01:17:48.082 --> 01:17:53.662


and that's something that my wife and I were able to, to come together and do and so it'll be special.01:17:53.752 --> 01:17:58.432


Oh, you'd probably turn it into like a workbook or something else too, to kind of, yeah.01:17:58.432 --> 01:17:58.502


I don't have its workbook.01:17:58.557 --> 01:18:01.432


I remember our time of uh, uh.01:18:02.228 --> 01:18:03.247


Premarital counseling.01:18:03.247 --> 01:18:03.337


Mm-hmm.01:18:03.578 --> 01:18:04.988


You know, I was a young Christian.01:18:04.988 --> 01:18:06.217


I wasn't raised in the church.01:18:06.278 --> 01:18:06.368


Mm-hmm.01:18:06.608 --> 01:18:13.778


But I was searching and then also met this very beautiful Christian girl, and so that accelerated my process a little bit.01:18:14.228 --> 01:18:15.007


Get a room.01:18:15.997 --> 01:18:17.377


Well, but not until you're married.01:18:17.467 --> 01:18:18.608


Yeah.01:18:18.757 --> 01:18:20.273


But, but that time of coaching.01:18:21.563 --> 01:18:24.832


Well, and even recognizing that couple had been together for 30 years.01:18:24.922 --> 01:18:25.103


Mm-hmm.01:18:25.462 --> 01:18:27.863


Um, you know, you're approaching that number here shortly.01:18:27.953 --> 01:18:28.073


Mm-hmm.01:18:28.313 --> 01:18:28.323


Mm-hmm.01:18:28.493 --> 01:18:30.592


And like, you're not, yes.01:18:30.592 --> 01:18:33.057


You're married to the same person, but not the same person.01:18:33.198 --> 01:18:34.103


Not really, you know?01:18:34.103 --> 01:18:34.193


Right.01:18:34.493 --> 01:18:37.042


We've literally have changed like all of ourselves.01:18:37.042 --> 01:18:37.132


Yep.01:18:37.132 --> 01:18:38.422


Like three times by now.01:18:38.422 --> 01:18:38.872


Absolutely.01:18:38.872 --> 01:18:39.893


You're up on four.01:18:40.372 --> 01:18:40.703


Absolutely.01:18:40.703 --> 01:18:44.457


You know, so you aren't the same person, you don't have the same pursuits, the mm-hmm.01:18:44.783 --> 01:18:47.453


The mother of three young children's.01:18:47.603 --> 01:18:47.783


Right.01:18:47.813 --> 01:18:50.752


One of which is nursing is a whole different mm-hmm.01:18:50.993 --> 01:18:54.143


Psyche and metabolism and mix of Right.01:18:54.382 --> 01:18:55.042


Everything.01:18:55.193 --> 01:18:57.143


Everything than this mama That right.01:18:57.143 --> 01:18:57.353


Is.01:18:57.813 --> 01:18:59.372


Waiting for more grandkids Right.01:18:59.372 --> 01:19:01.203


To, you know, or whatever.01:19:01.207 --> 01:19:06.962


We, we found, um, old, you know, home videos back, you know, that we shot with a camcorder.01:19:07.323 --> 01:19:07.353


Mm.01:19:07.353 --> 01:19:07.653


Right.01:19:07.743 --> 01:19:15.573


And so we found a box of them and we were able to, and I actually have the cam, so I was able to, you know, hook it up to the television, help you get rid of them, and Oh, I.01:19:16.882 --> 01:19:18.467


Hook it up to the television and Oh, cool.01:19:18.528 --> 01:19:22.493


And we were just watching and just reminiscing and like in tears, you know?01:19:22.493 --> 01:19:22.802


Yeah, yeah.01:19:22.802 --> 01:19:26.632


And then just looking, looking at like how young we were and, and what01:19:26.632 --> 01:19:27.502


was on that guy up there01:19:27.502 --> 01:19:28.403


couldn't even grow a01:19:28.403 --> 01:19:29.063


goatee.01:19:29.122 --> 01:19:29.722


That's you.01:19:29.783 --> 01:19:30.412


That's me.01:19:31.132 --> 01:19:31.193


Yeah.01:19:31.193 --> 01:19:32.962


My beautiful wife looks the same.01:19:32.993 --> 01:19:33.983


Yeah, I know, right?01:19:34.972 --> 01:19:38.243


I can't do the center part anymore because the hairline won't support it.01:19:38.273 --> 01:19:38.783


Hair.01:19:38.842 --> 01:19:39.052


What?01:19:39.052 --> 01:19:39.172


Hair?01:19:41.287 --> 01:19:41.507


It01:19:41.507 --> 01:19:42.948


looks like you've got something going on there.01:19:43.368 --> 01:19:43.988


You keep it clean.01:19:44.057 --> 01:19:44.347


Yeah.01:19:45.082 --> 01:19:47.483


Just over the years it looks like eyebrows is what I grown out.01:19:47.483 --> 01:19:47.722


Exactly.01:19:47.722 --> 01:19:47.813


Yep.01:19:47.962 --> 01:19:48.802


That was back then.01:19:49.823 --> 01:19:50.542


Way back.01:19:51.382 --> 01:19:59.243


Do you have any advice for like a young Christian man listening to that whatever his place in life, he's mm-hmm.01:19:59.483 --> 01:20:01.162


You know, 15 to 22.01:20:01.552 --> 01:20:01.882


Yeah.01:20:02.122 --> 01:20:02.512


Setting his01:20:02.512 --> 01:20:03.023


pointer.01:20:03.653 --> 01:20:07.193


Abso the advice is, yeah, to build.01:20:07.193 --> 01:20:10.462


If you build God a platform, he'll give you a platform.01:20:11.182 --> 01:20:15.052


Whatever you do, you know, the scriptures work as unto the Lord.01:20:15.563 --> 01:20:16.103


Um.01:20:16.868 --> 01:20:19.448


But yeah, whatever you're doing.01:20:19.778 --> 01:20:24.818


Like for me, the thing I tell young people all the time, you were uniquely created.01:20:24.818 --> 01:20:28.028


There's something that you can do that no one else could do.01:20:28.033 --> 01:20:29.377


Nobody else in the world is gonna do quite like you.01:20:29.828 --> 01:20:32.078


Um, some of us have many talents.01:20:32.228 --> 01:20:35.047


Some of us may have two, one big focus, right?01:20:35.318 --> 01:20:36.217


Whatever it is.01:20:36.608 --> 01:20:40.747


But do it as unto the Lord, use it because God gave that to you.01:20:40.898 --> 01:20:43.028


That's a part of your purpose.01:20:43.033 --> 01:20:43.233


Yeah.01:20:43.238 --> 01:20:43.328


Yeah.01:20:43.328 --> 01:20:52.328


A lot of times, especially as young men, we're always trying to figure out our purpose and, and we do that even as older men and whatnot, but that's a part of it.01:20:52.537 --> 01:20:56.108


It's a part of what God is placed in you.01:20:56.198 --> 01:20:56.978


So work it.01:20:57.682 --> 01:20:58.313


Dig work at.01:20:58.643 --> 01:21:02.993


I have a, I'm in the Rotary Club and we have a vocational service award that's coming up here soon.01:21:02.993 --> 01:21:03.082


Mm-hmm.01:21:03.323 --> 01:21:08.243


And if you were in my Rotary Club, I would nominate you for the vocational service award.01:21:08.518 --> 01:21:08.738


Aww.01:21:10.162 --> 01:21:11.273


So, hey, sure.01:21:11.273 --> 01:21:11.693


Appreciate01:21:11.693 --> 01:21:11.932


B Pal.01:21:12.143 --> 01:21:12.323


Thank you.01:21:12.382 --> 01:21:12.983


Absolutely.01:21:12.983 --> 01:21:13.417


God bless.01:21:13.417 --> 01:21:13.778


God bless you.01:21:13.778 --> 01:21:14.193


God bless you.01:21:14.212 --> 01:21:14.903


You be blessed.01:21:14.903 --> 01:21:15.502


Give'em heaven.