Aug. 30, 2025

EXPERIENCE 235 | Unlocking Potential: The Integrative Coaching Approach of Jordan Bonifas

Welcome to another episode of the Loco Experience Podcast. On today's show, I sat down with Jordan Bonifas, founder of Bonifas Coaching. We kicked things off with some bourbon tasting, comparing Fort Collins’ own Mobb Mountain Distillers and Kentucky’s Basil Hayden, before diving into Jordan's journey. (PS - Mobb Mountain is the clear choice - tastier and better price) - unpaid endorsement Jordan launched Bonifas Coaching in early 2023, bringing together his experience as a ...

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Season 5

Welcome to another episode of the Loco Experience Podcast. On today's show, I sat down with Jordan Bonifas, founder of Bonifas Coaching.  We kicked things off with some bourbon tasting, comparing Fort Collins’ own Mobb Mountain Distillers and Kentucky’s Basil Hayden, before diving into Jordan's journey.  (PS - Mobb Mountain is the clear choice - tastier and better price) - unpaid endorsement 

Jordan launched Bonifas Coaching in early 2023, bringing together his experience as a wrestling coach, college wrestler, whitewater raft guide, and entrepreneur. His coaching clients include a blend of performance coaching for athletes and strategic coaching for business leaders.  We discussed his transition from operating True Spruce - a vacation rental cleaning business in Steamboat - to moving to Fort Collins and starting his coaching venture, emphasizing lean operations and the importance of strong relationships and open conversation.  Jordan's insights into community, resilience, and integrity were refreshing and shifted traditional paradigms.  

Jordan shared how his unique lifestyle and experiences influence his coaching, and who might be drawn to his methods. Towards the end, he generously offered a free introductory consult for listeners looking to dive deeper into their strategies - just go to https://www.jordanbonifas.com/connect.  

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Welcome to another episode of the Loco Experience Podcast.

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On today's show, I sat down with Jordan Bonis, founder of Bonis Coaching.

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We kicked things off with some bourbon tasting, comparing Fort Collin's own Mob Mountain Distillers, and Kentucky's, Baal Hayden before diving into Jordan's journey.

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PS Mob Mountain is the clear choice, tastier, and better price.

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Unpaid endorsement so far.

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Jordan launched Bonface Coaching in early 2023, bringing together his experience as a wrestling coach, college wrestler, whitewater raft guide, and entrepreneur.

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His coaching clients include a blend of performance coaching for athletes and strategic coaching for business owners.

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We discussed his transition from operating true space, a vacation rental cleaning business, and Steamboat to moving to Fort Collins and starting his coaching venture, emphasizing lean operations and the importance of strong relationships and open conversation.

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Jordan's insight into community resilience and integrity were refreshing and shifted traditional paradigm.

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Jordan shared how his unique lifestyle and experiences influence his coaching and who might be drawn to his methods.

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Towards that end, he generously offered a free introductory consult.

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For listeners looking to dive deeper into their strategies, just go to www.jordanbonis.com/connect/connect.

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Thanks and enjoy the episode.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Jordan Bonface and he is the founder of Bons Coaching.

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And, uh, he's drinking bourbon, but he doesn't know which of the two yet.

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Yeah, I've had a couple drinks.

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It's, it's delicious.

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Couple sips, smooth, not a couple drinks, couple sips.

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Yeah.

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So we've got, what was it?

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It was Mob Mountain and then Basal Hayden.

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Uh, both kind of their standard bourbon.

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So do you have a guess at which one this might be?

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I'm gonna say Basil.

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Okay.

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And what do you like about it or not like about it?

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Uh, I like the, I like the smoothness.

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I like the smoothness.

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And there's, there's just a, a little bit,

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a little friendly bite

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at the end.

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Bite at the end.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I have the same kind of tasting notes.

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It's got a nice, kind of a caramel flavor.

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Yeah.

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Um, that's actually the local, that's my mountain.

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Is it?

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Uh, and it's about 10 bucks a bottle cheaper than the basal Hayden.

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Yeah.

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It's good at most places.

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It, it's so, uh, anyway, celebrating local craft distilling.

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Good job Mount Mountain.

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Yeah.

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Good job.

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It's, well, we'll see if you like the Baal Hayden's more after the break.

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Alright.

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Okay.

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So tell me about, uh, Bonis coaching.

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Bonis coaching.

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I, I founded Bonis Coaching, um, the beginning of 2023.

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It's kind of combined all my experience, experiences together as a wrestling coach.

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Mm-hmm.

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As a college wrestler, as a whitewater raft guide, as an entrepreneur.

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And then as a, as a certified, um, coach, I've kind of combined all that.

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Yeah.

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And I work about half of my business is working as a performance coach with athletes.

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Okay.

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Um, anywhere from MMA fighters to equestrians to pilots doing

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generalized coaching, or does it include like wrestling's wrestling coaching or, or you're more on the mindset of being more mindset and

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performance coaching.

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Okay.

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Um, and then the other half of my business is working with entrepreneurs on business strategy, but also what's blocking, what's blocking the natural strategy from actually, and leadership executing the strategy.

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Sometimes it's emotional, sometimes it's mindset.

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So it's a very integrative approach.

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Okay.

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Interesting.

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So that's, that's, that's what I do.

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Do you, uh, do you, are you allowed to say if you coach any, like, famous, uh, athletes or anything like that?

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Or is that mostly all confidential?

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Who you're working with?

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Um, I guess, I guess famous is, is relative, nobody famous.

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Tom Cruise is probably the most famous person I work with.

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I'm just kidding.

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He's not that famous though.

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He's

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kind of over the hill.

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Um, yeah.

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Confidentiality wise, some of the, some of the athletes I don't work with.

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I can't name.

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No, nobody in the, nobody on t TV too much.

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Nobody see on tv.

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My, my niche is, um, in combat sports, so MMA and, and wrestling.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, some division one wrestling and not like wwe.

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Yeah.

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Um, but like freestyle, you're not teaching acting or freestyle wrestling.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So, um, probably nobody that would pop out to some of your listeners, but in our small niche of the world.

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Um, you're building a name for yourself.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

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So

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where do you get your clients from?

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I get my clients just from word of mouth and just calling people and having conversations, coffee, having real conversations

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and coffee with strangers and stuff like that once in a while.

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Yeah.

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Just, um, you know, the world is small.

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Once you get to know a few people, there's very few degrees of separation.

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Yeah.

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So just being a good person and

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trying to help people, trying

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to help people.

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Um, you know, early on there's a lot of noise out there with like Sure.

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Build your brand.

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But, um, you know, like with athletes, if you spend too much time building your brand and you're actually not good at your craft, it really doesn't matter.

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Right?

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True.

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Um, you just become so good at what you do, your brand builds around you.

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And that resonated with me when I started my business.

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Like I just want to be really good at what I do and really focus on building my craft and helping people.

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Um, and maybe it's a little bit slower, but I, I decided to get rid of the noise and I think most social media is noise.

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Yeah.

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Not that it's bad, but for me, I, I just took the approach of like, I'm just gonna have real conversations and really work with people.

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Oh, so like you don't have like 60 videos on LinkedIn or anything introducing your

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No, I don't stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I, I, I don't have Instagram.

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I do have LinkedIn.

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Um, but yeah, just conversations with people and trying to just be the best at what I do.

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Tell me what, uh, the circumstances were in your life before you founded the, the coaching business.

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Yeah.

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So the circumstances in my life, when I founded the business, we were, me and my wife and our 2-year-old twins at the time were in Okay.

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In Hawaii actually.

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We had a professional vacation rental cleaning business in Steamboat Springs, Colorado.

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Okay.

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And we

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had that for about six years.

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And one day I came home from work and my wife.

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She just had an honest conversation with me.

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She said, I think I am done with Tru Spruce was the name of the company.

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Okay.

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I think I'm done with Tru Spruce.

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Okay.

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I said, okay, um, I think I can hire somebody to fulfill your role.

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But after, after a week or two, I decided too that it was time for something else and we actually, we closed our doors.

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We didn't sell the business.

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We just decided that it was time for something else, and that was April of 2022.

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Okay.

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Um, so right after the busy ski season Yeah.

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Our really busy time.

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Yeah.

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And in the end of May of 2022, we Were you just like

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out to lunch, be back, maybe never.

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Yeah.

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Well, we, we told our clients, you know, it was the start of the slow season, so it was a pretty clean break.

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Yeah.

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You know, we said we're, we're closing our doors.

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We ran pretty lean as a company.

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Um, we didn't have any business debt.

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Our general manager was moving to Taos.

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Oh.

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So it was kind of, kind of a perfect

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storm of like Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was a perfect storm and.

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We, we decided a 10 day trip to Hawaii on our friend's farm turned into a five month sabbatical.

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Oh,

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okay.

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And we, we didn't know what we were gonna do.

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Oh, interesting.

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You were just

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kind of thinking and penciling it out.

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Probably, uh,

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yeah, doing

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some meditation, some yoga, some fishing, some scuba diving,

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a lot, a lot of prayer.

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Um, a lot of surfing, a lot of beach time.

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And I knew I wanted to coach.

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I was the high school wrestling coach in Steamboat Springs, and I was really interested in like, motivation, what drives these athletes.

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Yeah.

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There's, you know, intrinsic motivation, but stuff like beyond mindset that was holding people back or propelling them.

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Um, so I got really interested in that and I thought maybe I wanted to be a college wrestling coach, so I applied to some universities, but I didn't really wanna be part of a institution per se.

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Yeah.

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So it just took a lot of getting quiet.

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And I've always been, I've always been a fan of leadership and culture and.

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Just like what really drives performance.

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And it was in Mau on a Maui, we were actually caretaking this small little farm.

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And I read this book, it was called Who?

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I think it was called Like who, the, who says you can't be a coach or who fucking says you can't be a coach?

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Something like that.

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Okay.

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It was like two in the morning.

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I'm a Kindle

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cussing either in the title or the tagline or something.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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Um, and I didn't know much about like this business coaching or life coaching per se, but I started reading about it and then I, it, it was like an aha moment at like two in the morning and I'm like, you know what?

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I think I can coach athletes and businesses.

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Those are two things I love in performance.

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So that was kind of the genesis of like, okay, I think, I think I'm gonna dive head first into this.

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And then we actually.

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Flew back from ha like a week later to Hastings, Nebraska, where I'm from.

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Okay.

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So in, moved in my parents' basement.

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Oh wow.

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Um,

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started working on the business plan and building a website.

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Probably.

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I

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found a certification program.

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It was a year long certification, um, to become a professional coach.

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Oh wow.

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Um,

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did you do other stuff?

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You just kind of crashed out in the parents' basement with your four year olds at the time, or two?

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Two, yeah.

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2-year-old toddlers.

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Yeah.

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Two girls.

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Yeah.

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So we, we lived there for seven month and then, um,'cause we didn't have any income coming in.

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Right.

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We were just Right.

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We were just, yeah.

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Trying to just really dive deep.

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And I had some clients and what's your wife's name?

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Annie.

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Annie.

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Yeah.

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And was she, is she in this with you?

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Is she Yeah, she was actually in it with me.

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Okay.

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Um, so we were in it together, which was really cool.

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And we had some clients on the side just to like sustain us a little bit.

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Gotcha.

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But really, 2023 was just like, let's just dive deep.

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And really like learn this craft,

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qualify ourselves.

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Yeah.

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To offer value

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and then bring in all the other things I'm already really good at, to really like create something that to me, I was in the best, in the, I was the best in the world at because nobody has my experiences.

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Um, so that was the Genesis 2023 was like, let's just get really good at this and be mentored and really learn the craft.

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And we, we had some clients in 2023 and then 2024 was really like, let's go, let's take off.

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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And did you move to Fort Collins, Loveland, or, I don't You live in Fort Collins here?

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Yeah, we lived in Fort,

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we live here in Fort Collins.

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We moved back to Colorado in October of 2023.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Welcome back.

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Yeah, man.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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How long were you the wrestling coach in Steamboat while you were

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Yeah.

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Running this property management business?

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Yeah, so we started the business in August of 2016, and then I started coaching, wrestling.

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As the assistant coach in 2017, and then the four years after that, I was the head coach.

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Okay.

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Of the high school team.

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And

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how was the high school team?

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How was your record?

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Uh, I mean, it's,

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it's called Ski Town.

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USA, not wrestling town, USA, uh, for a reason.

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But I mean, we started, I think the first year I took over, we had like eight kids on the team, not even enough to fill the roster.

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And we, we grew to like 20 kids, which isn't a lot for some schools, but for us it is.

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Yeah.

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Well, and it meant that the program was catching more attention, was becoming more interesting to the kids that you were building relationships.

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Yeah.

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And we had, um, some state placers.

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We had the first girl in Steamboat History place.

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Okay.

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Um, when I was there.

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So we had some state placers and state qualifiers.

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So, um, at the time I, I had bigger goals, but Sure.

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Um, I was proud of what we did and I actually had a wedding last month.

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I, I talked to the new coach who was somebody, um.

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That was an assistant coach for me and he's like, man, we really appreciate the foundation you laid.

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And that meant a lot to me because yeah, there's always like things you're like, man, I wish I would've done this or that.

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But it felt good to just see somebody that was really running with the foundation relayed and, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So

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you mentioned in the lead up, um, that your experience as a raft guide was, was relevant.

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And I wondered if on the business side, especially if you do like some team stuff.

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Uh, because that's, when I think about raft guiding, it's like you can't just tell one person what to do.

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You gotta tell like eight people at the same time what to do.

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Yeah, totally.

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I think from like a business perspective, one thing for me is like you had to build trust with people really quickly and all different types of people.

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You know, one trip you might have.

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A group from Texas.

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The next group might be from India, the next group from California.

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Yeah.

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So it's like you have very, what's that

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common ground fitment

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kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Just like being able to connect with people quickly.

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Be like, you can trust me.

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Yeah.

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Even if, even if you're a little bit afraid.

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So that was really cool just to get a ton of reps with a bunch of different people and build, establish that trust quickly.

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The other thing that it did was when I started as a raft guide, I wasn't very good.

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Like we called it rookie, rookie training.

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Yeah, right.

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I, I just, I wasn't very good, but I, I, as a

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coach or as a, just a raft, as a raft guide, didn't really know the craft.

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I just, some people catch it a little quicker and I just didn't.

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And, but it was really cool because we rafted this section called Gore Canyon.

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It's a really gnarly class five section.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And we're like the only company that does it.

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So there was always this almost like impossible goal that if, like, if you push yourself, you can guide people down this.

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So it really taught me about.

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How to frame your experience with big goals to like filter what you're doing in the present.

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So throughout that process, I had to continually like be outside my comfort zone and guide whitewater.

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That was a little beyond my ability.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it really, I got good, really, really quickly

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expand your comfort zone.

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Yeah.

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And

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then at the end of my fourth year, I actually guided that and then my fifth year I was guiding it.

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Okay.

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So it really was a big shift for me that you can, it's not just about like being delusional, but it's like if you have a really big goal to frame your experience in the present, you can get really good quickly.

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And how do you like be consistent toward that goal?

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I guess like it's little, it's still small bites, right?

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It, it's small bites, but it's, you have to make sure that there, there's like in the sports world, it's like process over outcome, which is good and all, but you have to make sure.

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The process is defined by the outcome.

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Otherwise you're just optimizing a bunch of things that shouldn't even exist.

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Yeah.

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So

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it's like, yes, tiny habits and all this, it's good, but Right.

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If the tiny habits aren't on a pathway towards the right thing.

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Yeah.

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You're just wasting time.

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I think about Tom Brady.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, yes.

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He had amazing habits and it was always directed toward we're gonna win the freaking Super Bowl this year.

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Yeah.

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That was his goal.

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So he was willing to get paid less than other quarterbacks so his offensive line could get paid more so we could win Super Bowls.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, Tom Brady's a perfect example.

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Like his, his process was shaped to win Super Bowls.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fair.

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Alright.

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Um, I guess, uh, what would you say are, like, do you have differences in your coaching style?

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Like, you got trained, right?

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Mm-hmm You spent a year training, plus you read a bunch of different books and, you know, integrated your own experiences.

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How is, uh, an engagement with Jordan a different engagement, especially I guess from the business community?

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'cause.

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You know, I might have a few high performance athletes that listen to this podcast.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's a business focus.

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So those are the people that may be curious about you and, and why.

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Yeah.

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Maybe what makes me a little different is yeah, it's, it's very integrative.

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Meaning, the analogy I use is I think leadership.

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And I think business is like a river.

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It starts from the mountain and naturally flows downward.

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And sometimes we just need to like, let it flow.

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But what happens is certain rocks get in the way and those rocks can be like past failures.

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Um, you know, maybe inflating what's risky versus what's not risky.

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And sometimes a rock is just not having a strategy at all.

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And the more we focus on those things, we like build up dams and it blocks our natural flow.

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Hmm.

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So a lot of working with me is like, how do we remove that dam?

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Yeah.

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So things can flow more naturally.

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This is

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the specific challenge I'm finding kind of through.

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Kind of a process of discovery, I imagine that starts with, um, of what are your real goals?

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What are the impediments to them?

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Yeah.

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And what sometimes there's, there's competing goals.

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Sometimes we have this conscious goal and sometimes we have an unconscious goal that's blocking what we really want.

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For your, um, business clients, do you have a, a fitness element to it?

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I was just thinking to myself, like a lot of business owners, I know it, it feels like when business is good, then they're pretty good at running or exercising or doing a bunch of stuff.

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But if business gets a little tight or the strategy is unclear or whatever, then so too does the time for physical health pursuits and then, then they suck at running their business even more'cause they're not physically optimized and making space for, for health.

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Yeah.

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So I, I'm, I'm not a health coach, but I, I use.

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I'll use nature or, or physical exercise if, if I'm working with a local client, client just to disrupt some things.

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So sometimes we'll just get in the Cold River and, okay.

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Just, just'cause I do that with athletes, like getting into fight or flight and staying calm under pressure.

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Mm.

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So the, the cold water is like a noxious stressor.

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It puts us into fight or flight, and then we can consciously choose to stay calm.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes the cold water brings up all of our stress, so if we're holding a lot of tension, the water's gonna feel a lot colder.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So sometimes I'll use that just to disrupt the pattern.

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Interesting.

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Um, yeah, sometimes we'll just have the exercise band and we'll do 10 minutes of working out and then get into, get into the coaching.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I just wondered if it was an specific element of your, your approach if necessary.

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Sounds like,

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yeah, and, and just being outside resets our nervous system.

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So sometimes just a hike clears our mind a little bit and it's like, oh.

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You know, what was on my mind actually wasn't such a big deal after all.

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Hmm.

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And

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we can get to the root of, okay, what's, what's really, what do you really want?

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Or what's really holding you back?

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Talk to me about, uh, contrast, if you will.

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Uh, high performance coaching.

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Like what?

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Uh, you know, depending, say, say I'm a, I, I want to do a, I'm, I'm a, I'm a black, or I'm a brown belt juujitsu.

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Now I'm working toward my black belt, but I also wanna start my MMA mm-hmm.

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And build my wrestling skills.

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Traditional.

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Yeah.

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I think like where, where my coaching comes in, I should probably tap out now first.

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First I think it's like I, I have an MMA fighter who's, he has a fight in two weeks.

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And when we first started working together, we had to peel back the layers of like, are you fighting from a fear-based perspective?

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Are you fighting?

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From more of like, just really loving to do this and more from like a play kind of

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maximizing your own Yeah.

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Talents and applying that.

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So a lot of it is just, you know, a lot of performance is we're coming from a place where we're carrying all this pressure because we think it's about who we are as a person.

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Yeah.

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And when, when you're performing that way, it maybe can get us to a point of like, success, quote, unquote, but we, we carry so much pressure that we either burn out or we're just not having fun.

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Yeah.

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And when you can start peeling back the layers and separating the skill as a performer from who I am as a person,

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yeah.

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It's, it's so much more freeing and it's really hard at the highest level to compete with someone who's playing and isn't carrying that pressure.

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And they're free, they're free to perform.

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That's such a different.

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Way to perform than like carrying this backpack of like, man, if I lose, yeah.

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I'm, I'm unworthy as a person

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that's so familiar to me because in my, in my early college years, when I first moved off campus, um, like, what was it, it was a dollar 70 or something, not even 72 cents an hour to play pool at the student union if you were a student.

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And so it was pretty free, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, and so I would, uh, bring food to campus and instead of going home for lunch or between breaks, I would just go shoot pool.

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And I ended up befriending a number of pretty good pool players.

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My dad had gotten a pool table at home a couple years before, so I was brought a little bit of talent in, but even now when I play pool, like I'm playing

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mm-hmm.

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And I'm judging myself really against my own talent and what I've seen myself do.

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And so I'm thinking about from a, from an activities based thing, if I.

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If, yes, I'm a pretty good pool player, you know, quite high performer, but I've got this thing and that thing and you haven't landed very many of those bank shots like that.

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So let's practice on that specific thing.

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You know, and your, your backs spin is sometimes strong.

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Sometimes you, you shank it, what's going on there.

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Mm-hmm.

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Or whatever.

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So if I apply it to my own experience, that's probably the one sport, quote unquote sport that I'm probably the most prolific at or the highest performer at.

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And it was because it's always been play.

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Mm-hmm.

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It was never I'm gonna, but I, I wasn't gonna be get beat up if I didn't win though.

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Yeah.

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That's the difference between a, a physical art sport.

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Right.

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But if it can still be play, like if I'm fighting knock lights out and I'm holding my own against somebody that really on paper should be whooping me and that can be a win and I'll get him next time, like, that's a lot better than, man, this guy's gonna kick my

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ass.

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I know.

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He's so bad.

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Yeah, totally.

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And there's, I dunno,

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I'm just thinking out loud here a little bit with you.

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And there's a paradox that high performers can hold.

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One is like.

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I can care very deeply about winning this thing.

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Yeah.

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Because of course we wanna win.

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Sure.

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That's why.

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But also I can play, so it's not one or the other.

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It's like, oh man, I'm, I'm too focused on winning.

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It's like you can have the capacity to internally hold both that freedom to play in that just like strong desire just to wanna win.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Interesting.

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Um, I just, actually this is gonna be for some of our listeners having a couple of, not too far from back to back.

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I had Brad Cooper on, are you connected with him here in town?

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I don't believe so.

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Uh, catalyst Coaching 360 is his firm and mostly they coach, uh, organizations.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like corporate organizations and their teams specifically.

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Um, but he is also like a high performance coach kind of thing.

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But not having to draw on your reserve of mental toughness and only drawing on it when you need to mm-hmm.

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Is kind of one of his core philosophies.

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Um, that doesn't sound like it's kind of the same in your space, really.

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More, or yours is like.

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Th this is fun and this is what I enjoy about it.

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Well have you like, flow is fun, right?

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Yeah.

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Like when in neurochemically, like it's releasing dopamine, norepinephrine, um, all the feel good chemicals, oxytocin.

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So when we're in flow, we want more ative flow.

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We want neuro flow.

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That's what, yeah.

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So, and you mentioned earlier beyond mindset.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, when you say that, what do you, what do you mean by that?

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Like, there, there's certain times where, like in the mental performance world, it's so much about mindset that it almost becomes like, not helpful anymore.

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Sometimes, sometimes I look at it from the framework of sometimes, like physically we can hold tension in our bodies.

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Mm-hmm.

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And

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we don't even need to be in the mind.

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We can just be in the body.

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And that tension can release very quickly when we, when we bring attention to it.

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Um, that's all it's looking for.

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Same with our emotions sometimes.

00:24:28.667 --> 00:24:39.557
Sometimes it's not about our mind, it's about emotions we're holding on eternally, internally, and we don't, sometimes we don't even know that we're holding those emotions, but they're dictating our behavior.

00:24:39.853 --> 00:24:40.143
Yeah.

00:24:40.147 --> 00:24:40.428
Yeah.

00:24:40.428 --> 00:24:45.857
But if you can jump in this river that's 38 degrees and stay there for a minute, you can get through this other thing.

00:24:46.067 --> 00:24:46.397
Oh, yeah.

00:24:46.428 --> 00:24:46.817
Or whatever.

00:24:46.817 --> 00:24:48.468
Like if you do a confrontation, you

00:24:48.583 --> 00:24:48.768
actually, yeah.

00:24:48.768 --> 00:24:50.208
You can train that response.

00:24:50.208 --> 00:24:54.167
Because like the cold water, for example, I know it's trendy to get in cold water.

00:24:54.228 --> 00:24:54.468
Sure.

00:24:54.528 --> 00:24:57.857
But the really cool part about it does, it puts you into fight or flight right away.

00:24:57.887 --> 00:24:57.978
Mm-hmm.

00:24:58.248 --> 00:25:01.038
So maybe there's other things that put you in fight or flight.

00:25:01.067 --> 00:25:02.208
Like a fight, right?

00:25:02.208 --> 00:25:02.268
Yeah.

00:25:02.268 --> 00:25:03.143
That's literally, yeah.

00:25:03.147 --> 00:25:03.528
Yeah.

00:25:03.528 --> 00:25:03.887
Fight.

00:25:03.887 --> 00:25:04.188
Right?

00:25:04.248 --> 00:25:08.117
Or maybe, uh, you're speaking in front of a thousand people.

00:25:08.147 --> 00:25:08.667
Yeah, yeah.

00:25:08.778 --> 00:25:13.157
But your body doesn't know whether you're speaking in front of a thousand people, or it's the cold water.

00:25:13.218 --> 00:25:13.548
Yeah.

00:25:13.548 --> 00:25:15.647
So you can train your response to that over and over.

00:25:15.647 --> 00:25:16.248
So that's interesting's.

00:25:16.938 --> 00:25:17.327
Yes.

00:25:17.327 --> 00:25:17.583
It's, it's.

00:25:18.228 --> 00:25:25.067
You can bring in mindset while you're doing that and you can bring in certain things, but it's also like you actively controlling your nervous system.

00:25:25.067 --> 00:25:25.488
Yeah.

00:25:25.548 --> 00:25:29.417
So it's not just, it's the integration of both the mind and the body.

00:25:29.478 --> 00:25:29.508
I

00:25:29.508 --> 00:25:42.738
wonder if I've got a more mellow response somehow to that because I'm thinking about a time when this, this really drunk guy, like threatened to like beat me up out of nowhere one time on the Mountain Avenue.

00:25:42.738 --> 00:25:48.948
And like I was, I basically talked him out of it because it was gonna be a lot of financial and legal problems.

00:25:48.948 --> 00:25:53.057
But he had me like on the ground and he was ready to pull me'cause he was crazy.

00:25:53.778 --> 00:26:08.147
And after it was over and it was gone and I didn't get punched, thank God my friend Ned like puked like, and he was like, am I gonna have to jump in here and try to re,'cause this guy was like a big marine, crazy drunk coked up, I'm sure.

00:26:08.178 --> 00:26:08.268
Mm-hmm.

00:26:08.988 --> 00:26:10.667
And I was just like.

00:26:11.343 --> 00:26:12.242
Well, that was crazy.

00:26:13.113 --> 00:26:16.323
Ned's over here puking and he wasn't even the one that got like flung to the ground.

00:26:16.738 --> 00:26:18.817
But But you're saying you stayed like pretty calm.

00:26:18.817 --> 00:26:19.323
I was like calm.

00:26:19.323 --> 00:26:19.893
Yeah,

00:26:19.893 --> 00:26:20.702
yeah, yeah.

00:26:20.702 --> 00:26:24.573
And I wonder what that is like, I guess about me.

00:26:24.573 --> 00:26:30.303
I, I feel like I kind of have this ability to almost detach from the situation itself and kind of observe.

00:26:30.303 --> 00:26:35.942
And at that time I was like, best thing to do is try to talk this guy out of spear smearing you right now.

00:26:36.182 --> 00:26:36.512
Yeah.

00:26:36.512 --> 00:26:40.952
I, I think there's certainly different personality types that maybe lend themselves to being calm.

00:26:40.978 --> 00:26:42.782
Sorry, Ned, sorry to ta on you about that story.

00:26:42.903 --> 00:26:43.022
Yeah.

00:26:43.022 --> 00:26:43.682
Come on Ned.

00:26:44.732 --> 00:26:44.752
Man up.

00:26:45.002 --> 00:26:55.083
But it, but it seems like, what do you think, do you think you had experiences growing up that allowed you to either really like Oh, maybe, yeah, because I got

00:26:55.083 --> 00:26:57.633
bullied pretty crazily a few times.

00:26:57.633 --> 00:26:57.992
Yeah.

00:26:57.992 --> 00:26:58.442
And

00:26:58.442 --> 00:27:02.817
so what did you, what was your, what was your response to that while you, you were being bullied?

00:27:04.067 --> 00:27:12.617
Well, in one crazy experience, I, I was tried to be drug out of the showers and I was holding onto the top of this wall that was like four feet tall.

00:27:12.678 --> 00:27:12.768
Mm-hmm.

00:27:13.278 --> 00:27:18.018
And they pulled me off of it to the point where I fell to the floor and got a goose egg on the, my forehead.

00:27:18.107 --> 00:27:18.407
Yeah.

00:27:18.587 --> 00:27:24.317
Um, and I didn't let myself get in that kind of situation in the future really.

00:27:24.768 --> 00:27:34.972
Um, so probably a defensive posture against, and I guess, you know, and I'm a motorcyclist and I feel like I can spot potentially risky situations and stuff.

00:27:34.972 --> 00:27:35.252
Mm-hmm.

00:27:35.337 --> 00:27:38.627
You know, in this particular case I did a terrible job, it seems like.

00:27:38.657 --> 00:27:39.768
But yeah.

00:27:39.827 --> 00:27:43.458
Kind of trying to be outside of just my own

00:27:43.458 --> 00:27:44.087
eyes.

00:27:44.117 --> 00:27:45.498
So more, more vigilant.

00:27:45.617 --> 00:27:46.127
Yeah.

00:27:46.133 --> 00:27:46.252
Yeah.

00:27:46.518 --> 00:27:51.557
Well, and also like not just imagining what's out there from my own eyes, but kind of Yeah.

00:27:51.587 --> 00:27:53.867
Vigilance, but from other perspectives or angles.

00:27:53.928 --> 00:27:53.988
Yeah.

00:27:53.988 --> 00:27:55.968
Potential risks that others might not be thinking through.

00:27:56.178 --> 00:27:57.198
Well, it's interesting because

00:27:57.198 --> 00:28:00.288
there's fight flight or even fawn, you know, some people go.

00:28:00.722 --> 00:28:03.002
Go internal when things happen.

00:28:03.032 --> 00:28:09.242
So do you think yours was like more of a detachment, or was it just like, I'm just calm?

00:28:09.303 --> 00:28:10.833
No, my natural instinct is a fight is a fight.

00:28:11.252 --> 00:28:14.853
I've gotten myself into some situations where it wasn't even my fight.

00:28:15.002 --> 00:28:15.063
Yeah.

00:28:15.063 --> 00:28:17.792
And I had to be the justice person involved or whatever.

00:28:18.393 --> 00:28:21.542
But in that situation, fighting would've been stupid.

00:28:21.548 --> 00:28:21.897
Mm-hmm.

00:28:21.978 --> 00:28:23.823
Because he would've pummeled the crap out of me.

00:28:23.972 --> 00:28:24.123
Yeah.

00:28:24.182 --> 00:28:26.702
Uh, he was a immensely superior opponent.

00:28:27.873 --> 00:28:36.313
Um, and so like, I, but, but I, even though my initial instinct is generally fight, I was able to suppress that instinct for mm-hmm.

00:28:36.367 --> 00:28:42.393
Kind of the ability to be up in the balcony looking at the situation like, well, if you do the fight button, you're gonna get your ass kicked.

00:28:42.573 --> 00:28:42.843
Yeah.

00:28:42.932 --> 00:28:45.813
If you do the flight button, he's already got you.

00:28:45.813 --> 00:28:46.803
That one isn't gonna work.

00:28:47.222 --> 00:28:47.913
You know?

00:28:48.153 --> 00:28:48.212
Yeah.

00:28:48.212 --> 00:28:52.532
And so it was like, uh, what's, what's another option I can perhaps use?

00:28:52.712 --> 00:28:53.012
Yeah.

00:28:53.012 --> 00:28:55.502
And I was talking to his friends, I'm like, dude, you gotta stop it.

00:28:55.502 --> 00:28:57.633
There's no reason for him to beat me up right now.

00:28:57.722 --> 00:28:57.873
Yeah.

00:28:58.428 --> 00:29:01.548
Well, maybe in that situation you, you learn through other experiences.

00:29:01.548 --> 00:29:04.607
Like in this situation, diplomacy, I need, I need to be a peacemaker.

00:29:04.938 --> 00:29:05.327
Right?

00:29:05.417 --> 00:29:06.077
Yeah, exactly.

00:29:06.077 --> 00:29:06.137
Yeah.

00:29:06.288 --> 00:29:06.708
I don't know.

00:29:07.067 --> 00:29:07.458
I don't know.

00:29:07.458 --> 00:29:08.057
It's a mystery.

00:29:08.657 --> 00:29:12.288
Um, well I feel like it's a good time to call a break.

00:29:12.347 --> 00:29:13.218
Yeah, let's have a break.

00:29:13.218 --> 00:29:13.728
Alright, cheers.

00:29:13.847 --> 00:29:14.117
Cool.

00:29:17.028 --> 00:29:21.708
And I probably poured you over, uh, on the whiskey pour.

00:29:22.008 --> 00:29:22.367
Oh, all good.

00:29:22.938 --> 00:29:27.258
And, uh, we might move your mic just an inch that way because you tend to kind of go both.

00:29:27.798 --> 00:29:30.438
I'm moving around straight at me and, and, but we'll figure that out.

00:29:30.768 --> 00:29:31.607
Cool when we come back.

00:30:22.827 --> 00:30:25.438
So you, you mentioned back to Fort Collins.

00:30:25.557 --> 00:30:30.327
Um, did you go to college here or like what, I guess I just, you grew up here?

00:30:30.387 --> 00:30:30.627
Yeah.

00:30:30.627 --> 00:30:32.278
No, I, I grew up in Nebraska.

00:30:32.458 --> 00:30:34.917
Um, back to Colorado is probably, oh, back to Colorado.

00:30:34.917 --> 00:30:35.067
Yeah.

00:30:35.067 --> 00:30:38.337
You said I lived, I moved out to Colorado in 2010.

00:30:38.337 --> 00:30:39.567
Lived in Summit County.

00:30:39.748 --> 00:30:39.958
Did the.

00:30:40.722 --> 00:30:42.942
Ski bum thing and then the raft guide thing.

00:30:42.972 --> 00:30:43.393
Yeah.

00:30:43.393 --> 00:30:43.403
Yeah.

00:30:43.482 --> 00:30:44.413
Um, so wide living and then

00:30:44.413 --> 00:30:46.303
found your, found your way up to Steamboat from there.

00:30:46.333 --> 00:30:46.512
Yeah.

00:30:46.512 --> 00:30:47.653
Found our way up to Steamboat.

00:30:47.653 --> 00:30:47.923
Okay.

00:30:48.012 --> 00:30:48.343
And how

00:30:48.343 --> 00:30:50.442
did you know that you wanted to be in Fort Collins?

00:30:50.502 --> 00:30:57.057
My sister has lived here for a while, so we, we would stop here on the way back to Nebraska when we visited from Steamboat.

00:30:57.063 --> 00:30:57.073
Okay.

00:30:57.883 --> 00:31:01.363
Uh, so we, we visited here, Atton, we've been here a bunch and yeah.

00:31:01.573 --> 00:31:07.002
Um, but honestly I was just on a walk in Nebraska and it was just like, go back to Colorado.

00:31:07.063 --> 00:31:07.722
What are you doing?

00:31:07.932 --> 00:31:08.202
And

00:31:08.442 --> 00:31:10.663
just like, while you're living in your mom's basement kind of thing.

00:31:10.663 --> 00:31:10.962
Well, we were

00:31:10.962 --> 00:31:12.373
living just in a rental house.

00:31:12.643 --> 00:31:14.083
We were out of the mom's basement.

00:31:14.083 --> 00:31:14.623
Oh, that's good.

00:31:14.712 --> 00:31:16.093
Um, just that's a little more comfortable.

00:31:16.123 --> 00:31:16.272
Yeah.

00:31:16.272 --> 00:31:18.492
Just, just living in a, a small house.

00:31:18.492 --> 00:31:23.893
We actually called it the stinky house'cause there was like, that's, that's a long story.

00:31:23.893 --> 00:31:27.522
My wife became pregnant there and they, they actually like needed to.

00:31:27.883 --> 00:31:30.702
Replace the sewer line, like under the yard.

00:31:30.762 --> 00:31:31.282
Oh, oh.

00:31:31.452 --> 00:31:32.202
So yeah, we,

00:31:32.202 --> 00:31:34.242
there was draftings going on before that.

00:31:34.363 --> 00:31:36.222
My, my kids still call it the stinky house.

00:31:36.762 --> 00:31:42.222
Um, so we moved while I was taking a walk outside of the stinky house, it was just like, Hey, just go back.

00:31:42.222 --> 00:31:43.542
I'm over it on a stinky house.

00:31:43.542 --> 00:31:47.682
And just like that, we, we ended up back here and we had

00:31:47.772 --> 00:31:50.202
a little bit of savings left to live on kind of thing.

00:31:50.208 --> 00:31:50.228
Mm-hmm.

00:31:50.307 --> 00:31:50.587
Or whatever.

00:31:50.742 --> 00:31:50.833
Mm-hmm.

00:31:50.833 --> 00:31:53.113
But had to get the coaching business kind of cooking.

00:31:53.292 --> 00:31:53.563
Yep.

00:31:53.623 --> 00:31:54.163
Exactly.

00:31:54.163 --> 00:31:54.643
Interesting.

00:31:54.823 --> 00:31:55.153
Yeah.

00:31:55.512 --> 00:31:57.913
Um, by the way, do you want to sample this?

00:31:57.913 --> 00:32:05.383
Uh, this is, I already gave it away, but this is the basal Hayden, but be welcome to contrast that with the mob mountain.

00:32:07.813 --> 00:32:11.292
I think it, it has a little less of the bite

00:32:11.682 --> 00:32:12.282
for sure.

00:32:12.343 --> 00:32:13.752
I don't, I don't think it's quite as smooth.

00:32:13.752 --> 00:32:15.613
I think I'd like the other one a little bit better.

00:32:15.613 --> 00:32:15.792
Kind of

00:32:15.792 --> 00:32:16.813
across the board.

00:32:16.932 --> 00:32:17.262
Yeah.

00:32:17.383 --> 00:32:22.002
Like it almost feels kind of wimpy in comparison

00:32:22.452 --> 00:32:22.633
to me.

00:32:22.633 --> 00:32:22.692
Yeah.

00:32:22.692 --> 00:32:23.262
It almost.

00:32:24.478 --> 00:32:25.123
Looks fine.

00:32:25.153 --> 00:32:27.133
Yeah, it's, it's, it's good, but not great.

00:32:27.133 --> 00:32:27.373
Thank

00:32:27.373 --> 00:32:29.712
you Mike Glia for bringing that over.

00:32:29.712 --> 00:32:31.303
Like it's very appreciated.

00:32:31.363 --> 00:32:31.573
Yeah.

00:32:31.813 --> 00:32:37.903
Mike is one of the, uh, former facilitators for local Think Tank and we had a bourbon and ping pong gathering a couple weeks ago.

00:32:38.682 --> 00:32:41.053
It's on its last legs, but much appreciated.

00:32:41.053 --> 00:32:41.383
Mike.

00:32:41.502 --> 00:32:42.042
Thanks Mike.

00:32:42.103 --> 00:32:43.907
Yeah, I think, I think I mean this, it's nice.

00:32:44.113 --> 00:32:44.428
This is good.

00:32:44.428 --> 00:32:44.833
It, it's nice.

00:32:44.833 --> 00:32:44.982
It's

00:32:44.982 --> 00:32:48.282
a very nice bourbon, but I'm just really Mob Mountain guys.

00:32:48.282 --> 00:32:52.603
If you're listening out there, I want you on my podcast'cause you're making a nice production.

00:32:52.603 --> 00:32:58.873
$40 Bourbon that's local, that's kind of outshines anything that's more affordable than that, that I've found.

00:32:59.053 --> 00:32:59.292
Yeah.

00:32:59.292 --> 00:33:00.792
I think's like it's better than Maker's Mark.

00:33:00.792 --> 00:33:02.472
It's definitely better than Bullet or mm-hmm.

00:33:02.833 --> 00:33:03.762
Any of those things.

00:33:03.762 --> 00:33:09.103
And there's most of the good local stuff, otherwise it's like 50 to 65.

00:33:09.192 --> 00:33:09.313
Mm-hmm.

00:33:09.883 --> 00:33:10.692
So I agree.

00:33:10.692 --> 00:33:11.472
Kudos to y'all.

00:33:11.563 --> 00:33:11.742
Yeah.

00:33:11.742 --> 00:33:12.163
Good job.

00:33:12.163 --> 00:33:13.663
Get that market share up there.

00:33:13.663 --> 00:33:19.512
So, and all you guys listening out there, next time you're giving a gift to bourbon to somebody, uh, make it a mob mountain.

00:33:19.932 --> 00:33:20.202
Yeah.

00:33:20.442 --> 00:33:20.653
Just.

00:33:21.432 --> 00:33:23.113
Not sponsored, but should be.

00:33:25.903 --> 00:33:31.242
Um, so I guess what, what, what do you have for aspirations?

00:33:31.242 --> 00:33:37.692
Like, uh, is this for you like a, a 20 year solo entrepreneurship coaching business?

00:33:37.843 --> 00:33:57.192
When we're chatting outside, you mentioned that, um, as your kids start going to school and stuff, you, you imagine having your wife more involved, but like, are you trying to build an enterprise or really just have a freedom, uh, inclusive impact making solo entrepreneurship with support?

00:33:57.762 --> 00:33:58.002
Yeah.

00:33:58.008 --> 00:34:00.792
I, I don't think I've zoomed out 20 years.

00:34:00.942 --> 00:34:03.613
Um, I think it can be kind of foolish to do so.

00:34:04.212 --> 00:34:06.853
Um, personally for me, but I Do you

00:34:06.853 --> 00:34:09.228
imagine building a team, I guess is part of how Yeah, I,

00:34:09.233 --> 00:34:10.452
I would like to have a team.

00:34:10.452 --> 00:34:18.463
I would like, I would like to either partner, you know, I feel like a lot of reaching goals and there, and there's a book about this called Who Not How by Dr.

00:34:18.463 --> 00:34:18.943
Ben Hardy.

00:34:18.943 --> 00:34:19.992
But sometimes to love that

00:34:19.992 --> 00:34:20.413
book

00:34:20.472 --> 00:34:24.672
to get to your next level, it's, uh, it's like partnering with someone.

00:34:24.762 --> 00:34:24.972
Yeah.

00:34:24.972 --> 00:34:39.313
And I've, I have, uh, partnered with somebody and we've, we've, we've grown at a pretty fast clip together, like helping his team and I think there, there could be some future endeavors where, where we team up and, and launch something together.

00:34:39.432 --> 00:34:39.913
Okay.

00:34:39.913 --> 00:34:41.023
My, my, my goal.

00:34:41.052 --> 00:34:43.603
Some kind of more programmatic thing or something like that.

00:34:43.608 --> 00:34:43.777
Yeah.

00:34:43.818 --> 00:34:49.213
I, I don't think anything, like, I don't want to be like an online coach or have courses or anything like that.

00:34:49.213 --> 00:34:54.672
I would like to found a company with someone or help grow a company with equity in it.

00:34:55.092 --> 00:34:55.273
Okay.

00:34:55.273 --> 00:34:57.552
And, and really see, um.

00:34:58.257 --> 00:34:59.547
Where we can grow together

00:34:59.547 --> 00:35:02.788
in your space or potentially building widgets.

00:35:03.027 --> 00:35:03.208
Yeah.

00:35:03.213 --> 00:35:03.572
I, I don't know.

00:35:03.572 --> 00:35:10.378
And selling them, I don't know about in my, in my space necessarily, but using my skillset to help grow a business.

00:35:10.438 --> 00:35:10.737
Yeah.

00:35:10.827 --> 00:35:11.487
That, that would

00:35:11.487 --> 00:35:16.588
be, whether it's a service business or a retail store or something that you get excited about again.

00:35:16.677 --> 00:35:17.068
Yeah.

00:35:17.068 --> 00:35:21.927
So, because you're obviously excited about the vacation rental support kind of business before I, I would not

00:35:21.927 --> 00:35:22.827
do, I don't, yeah.

00:35:22.827 --> 00:35:25.797
That was, you know, I mean, at that time, at that time it was exciting.

00:35:25.797 --> 00:35:25.858
Yeah.

00:35:25.918 --> 00:35:40.677
Because it was, I mean, honestly, what happened, we were looking, my, my wife was looking for jobs after the rafting season, and we just noticed like, man, they're, they're paying cleaners more than any other, like, I guess entry level position.

00:35:40.708 --> 00:35:40.858
Mm-hmm.

00:35:41.097 --> 00:35:42.927
I, let's just start our own business.

00:35:42.927 --> 00:35:44.367
Let's just start our own cleaning business.

00:35:44.427 --> 00:35:44.608
Hmm.

00:35:44.668 --> 00:35:47.458
So that's kinda where the idea started.

00:35:47.577 --> 00:35:48.268
Oh, okay.

00:35:48.268 --> 00:35:51.507
And so we just like, let's just, so you were executing a lot of the cleanings as well.

00:35:51.507 --> 00:35:51.807
You were.

00:35:52.228 --> 00:35:52.737
Selling it?

00:35:52.737 --> 00:35:53.157
Booking it.

00:35:53.458 --> 00:36:01.347
Well we, so we basically, the niche we had, we would clean vacation rentals and we'd work with managers who managed it themselves and then we would do everything else.

00:36:01.347 --> 00:36:01.378
Okay.

00:36:01.407 --> 00:36:01.557
Yeah.

00:36:01.557 --> 00:36:01.887
Gotcha.

00:36:01.947 --> 00:36:02.217
Yeah.

00:36:02.217 --> 00:36:03.237
So that was our niche.

00:36:03.297 --> 00:36:06.297
Um, but it all started with, I think we could do this.

00:36:06.447 --> 00:36:06.538
Right.

00:36:06.538 --> 00:36:08.427
I don't think we need somebody to hire us.

00:36:08.487 --> 00:36:08.668
Yeah.

00:36:08.668 --> 00:36:09.688
Like, let's just start our own.

00:36:09.693 --> 00:36:09.882
Yeah.

00:36:10.197 --> 00:36:10.467
Yeah.

00:36:10.858 --> 00:36:14.487
So it was more impulsive than like a love of cleaning or anything like that?

00:36:14.487 --> 00:36:14.668
Yeah.

00:36:14.668 --> 00:36:15.722
You just saw a market opportunity.

00:36:15.722 --> 00:36:15.842
Yeah.

00:36:15.842 --> 00:36:15.927
Just, sorry,

00:36:15.987 --> 00:36:17.458
I, I think we could do this.

00:36:17.518 --> 00:36:18.177
And,

00:36:18.838 --> 00:36:20.398
and what were you doing Immediately before

00:36:20.668 --> 00:36:24.148
we were, we were working at the rafting, the rafting season?

00:36:24.148 --> 00:36:25.498
Just up Oh, both of your raft guides?

00:36:25.527 --> 00:36:27.688
She was, uh, the manager for the rafting company.

00:36:27.688 --> 00:36:28.168
Oh.

00:36:28.617 --> 00:36:30.117
So was it that way when you guys met?

00:36:30.657 --> 00:36:31.858
No, we met before that.

00:36:31.858 --> 00:36:31.887
Okay.

00:36:32.307 --> 00:36:32.668
Alright.

00:36:32.818 --> 00:36:33.447
Just checking.

00:36:33.447 --> 00:36:35.427
Thought that was maybe a little, uh, hanky panky.

00:36:35.702 --> 00:36:37.677
It, it wasn't love at the rafting shop.

00:36:38.097 --> 00:36:40.077
Those, those relationships usually don't last long.

00:36:40.677 --> 00:36:41.577
Uh, well that's not true.

00:36:41.637 --> 00:36:45.268
There's a couple, but, but the, the owner, he was a mentor.

00:36:45.268 --> 00:36:51.297
He actually ended up marrying us, but he started that rafting company with like two boats and a small outpost and grew to.

00:36:52.018 --> 00:36:55.978
You know, a company do taking 10 to 15,000 people down the river each year.

00:36:56.068 --> 00:36:56.547
Wow.

00:36:56.697 --> 00:36:58.708
So he really, he's just like, just do it.

00:36:59.007 --> 00:36:59.097
Yeah.

00:36:59.097 --> 00:36:59.847
Like, start it.

00:36:59.907 --> 00:37:00.568
You can do it.

00:37:00.568 --> 00:37:08.728
And we actually, the first, the first client we had responding to our Craigslist ad that probably dates us a little bit, 2016.

00:37:09.327 --> 00:37:12.538
Um, we didn't even have a place to live in Steamboat.

00:37:12.538 --> 00:37:19.137
We were camping and we had a, no, we had to borrow a mop that smelled like Pines saw, and we went to Walmart and bought cleaning supplies.

00:37:19.168 --> 00:37:19.318
Oh,

00:37:19.318 --> 00:37:19.648
dang.

00:37:19.768 --> 00:37:24.628
And, and there's a lesson in that sometimes you have to start, you don't need a perfect website.

00:37:24.807 --> 00:37:25.018
Right.

00:37:25.018 --> 00:37:26.157
We didn't even have a website.

00:37:26.157 --> 00:37:26.338
Right.

00:37:26.338 --> 00:37:31.228
We just, we, we bought business insurance like two days before.

00:37:31.768 --> 00:37:35.672
Um, so sometimes you just have to go for it and just keep iterating Yeah.

00:37:35.773 --> 00:37:36.393
And iterating.

00:37:36.478 --> 00:37:36.927
Interesting.

00:37:36.958 --> 00:37:39.418
Um, so that's, that was kind of the genesis of that.

00:37:39.568 --> 00:37:44.157
So you were, you're homeless after rafting season.

00:37:44.277 --> 00:37:44.487
Mm-hmm.

00:37:45.027 --> 00:37:48.177
Wondering what you were gonna do until the next rafting season or something.

00:37:48.748 --> 00:37:49.077
Yeah.

00:37:49.077 --> 00:37:50.487
Well, we, we were fully committed.

00:37:50.487 --> 00:37:51.987
We're like, we can do this.

00:37:51.987 --> 00:37:52.318
But,

00:37:52.318 --> 00:37:54.987
but leading into that, that was a little bit the, the thought.

00:37:55.077 --> 00:37:55.378
Yeah.

00:37:55.467 --> 00:37:56.788
It was like, what?

00:37:56.788 --> 00:37:58.467
I thought I was gonna be a snowmobile guide.

00:37:58.472 --> 00:37:58.603
Yeah.

00:37:58.603 --> 00:37:58.722
Yeah.

00:37:58.728 --> 00:38:00.927
So my friend's like, yeah, you can be a snowmobile guide.

00:38:00.927 --> 00:38:03.208
So I wasn't, I wasn't that worried.

00:38:03.297 --> 00:38:03.838
Um,

00:38:04.018 --> 00:38:04.347
yeah.

00:38:04.648 --> 00:38:06.418
I mean, you had a couple more Yeah.

00:38:06.478 --> 00:38:08.248
Months before it was gonna get called again.

00:38:08.338 --> 00:38:12.268
But, but once we, we had a, you know, we had a couple people pay us for our services.

00:38:12.748 --> 00:38:12.838
Right.

00:38:12.838 --> 00:38:14.547
And we were like, we're actually pretty good at this.

00:38:14.577 --> 00:38:14.728
Yeah.

00:38:14.728 --> 00:38:22.018
Um, and then back to the who, not how we actually met somebody by just going around and introducing ourselves.

00:38:22.197 --> 00:38:26.998
And she, she had a very successful property management company and Winter Park.

00:38:27.057 --> 00:38:27.148
Mm-hmm.

00:38:27.387 --> 00:38:30.088
She managed like 175 rentals there.

00:38:30.507 --> 00:38:32.248
And she was starting in Steamboat.

00:38:32.248 --> 00:38:33.807
They had just moved there as a family.

00:38:34.347 --> 00:38:38.007
And she, she was like, the first thing she said is like, how did you know to find me?

00:38:38.427 --> 00:38:39.987
We didn't, we just walked in here.

00:38:40.467 --> 00:38:42.387
And she's like, I'm looking for someone like you guys.

00:38:43.018 --> 00:38:47.038
And we went from two properties to like.

00:38:47.532 --> 00:38:48.762
10 or 15 Wow.

00:38:48.762 --> 00:38:49.902
With that one relationship.

00:38:49.902 --> 00:38:50.023
Yeah.

00:38:50.023 --> 00:38:54.132
So that, that, that who, not how like it's, it's happened so many times.

00:38:54.253 --> 00:38:54.612
Yeah.

00:38:54.733 --> 00:38:55.693
Um, in different aspects.

00:38:55.938 --> 00:38:56.257
Aspects of your lives.

00:38:56.257 --> 00:38:56.983
And that's even part, part of why

00:38:56.983 --> 00:38:57.822
you connected with me.

00:38:57.822 --> 00:39:03.822
You're like, I, this Kurt guy seems to know a lot of people and stuff in around Fort Collins and so let's go have a coffee.

00:39:03.882 --> 00:39:04.123
Yeah.

00:39:04.123 --> 00:39:04.992
Let's, let's, why not?

00:39:05.083 --> 00:39:05.893
Yeah, totally.

00:39:06.163 --> 00:39:06.978
So I dig it.

00:39:07.362 --> 00:39:10.182
Um, what else?

00:39:10.182 --> 00:39:18.103
Like from a business front, I can, we can go a lot of different angles, um, but we're gonna eventually gonna jump into the time machine and go back to, did you grow up in Hastings?

00:39:18.282 --> 00:39:19.572
I grew up outside of Hastings.

00:39:19.603 --> 00:39:19.963
Okay.

00:39:19.992 --> 00:39:22.603
Outside of town called Julieta, town of 800 people.

00:39:22.603 --> 00:39:24.402
Grew up on a farm, so.

00:39:24.463 --> 00:39:25.213
So you farm kid?

00:39:25.302 --> 00:39:25.963
I'm a farm boy.

00:39:26.023 --> 00:39:26.262
Yeah.

00:39:26.262 --> 00:39:28.362
And what, talk about the farm a little bit.

00:39:28.362 --> 00:39:31.137
Uh, scale crops, crops, critters,

00:39:31.137 --> 00:39:32.382
crops, corn and soybeans.

00:39:32.382 --> 00:39:33.972
We had some cows in the winter.

00:39:34.092 --> 00:39:34.362
Okay.

00:39:34.367 --> 00:39:34.538
Um.

00:39:35.728 --> 00:39:37.887
You just kind of run'em on the cornstalks and stuff like that?

00:39:37.887 --> 00:39:38.398
Mostly, yeah.

00:39:38.518 --> 00:39:38.728
Okay.

00:39:38.728 --> 00:39:38.847
And

00:39:38.847 --> 00:39:41.338
we had pigs when I was really, really young.

00:39:41.338 --> 00:39:41.367
Okay.

00:39:41.367 --> 00:39:41.757
Me too.

00:39:42.043 --> 00:39:42.972
I remember, I remember my dad had

00:39:43.047 --> 00:39:44.398
pigs when I was a little, little small guy.

00:39:44.398 --> 00:39:44.668
Yeah.

00:39:44.668 --> 00:39:44.907
A lot

00:39:44.907 --> 00:39:46.168
of memories in the hay loft.

00:39:46.168 --> 00:39:47.188
Building forts.

00:39:47.248 --> 00:39:48.807
Um, yeah.

00:39:48.807 --> 00:39:52.737
It was, you know, at the time I didn't wanna live on a farm when I was like in middle school.

00:39:52.737 --> 00:39:58.438
I remember just wanting to be able to skateboard on the road and not have like a gravel basketball court.

00:39:58.527 --> 00:39:58.887
Right.

00:39:58.978 --> 00:40:00.927
Um, but I'm really thankful I grew up on a farm.

00:40:01.018 --> 00:40:01.137
Yeah.

00:40:01.677 --> 00:40:05.487
What was the, the environment, um, did you have siblings as well?

00:40:05.547 --> 00:40:07.708
Yeah, I had an older sister, three years older than me.

00:40:07.797 --> 00:40:11.097
She actually moved out to Colorado right after, um, high school.

00:40:11.307 --> 00:40:11.668
Okay.

00:40:11.967 --> 00:40:12.568
Um,

00:40:12.688 --> 00:40:16.228
and was your dad like, grew up on that farm or started Yeah, my dad,

00:40:16.288 --> 00:40:17.938
my dad's a fourth generation farmer.

00:40:17.998 --> 00:40:18.268
Okay.

00:40:18.297 --> 00:40:19.682
Um, so yeah, I was actually.

00:40:21.253 --> 00:40:25.753
The house he grew up in is the house we ended up moving to when I was a little bit older.

00:40:25.753 --> 00:40:25.992
Okay.

00:40:26.052 --> 00:40:26.322
But yeah.

00:40:26.322 --> 00:40:26.592
Okay.

00:40:26.713 --> 00:40:27.222
Interesting.

00:40:27.342 --> 00:40:27.583
Yep.

00:40:28.152 --> 00:40:33.612
Um, and like maybe for those that don't know, Hastings set the stage a little bit there.

00:40:33.793 --> 00:40:35.172
Uh, Kool-Aid capital of the world.

00:40:35.233 --> 00:40:35.773
What else do you need?

00:40:35.773 --> 00:40:36.313
What do you mean The

00:40:36.313 --> 00:40:36.762
Kool-Aid?

00:40:36.762 --> 00:40:37.452
Capital Kool-Aid

00:40:37.452 --> 00:40:38.443
was invented in Hastings.

00:40:38.472 --> 00:40:39.132
Okay.

00:40:39.793 --> 00:40:40.842
Is that's still there, I presume.

00:40:41.293 --> 00:40:42.913
Town of 25,000 people.

00:40:42.913 --> 00:40:43.123
Okay.

00:40:43.362 --> 00:40:45.492
Um, I was thinking maybe a little smaller.

00:40:45.972 --> 00:40:47.353
It's on I 80, is it?

00:40:47.353 --> 00:40:47.503
It's

00:40:47.503 --> 00:40:49.092
about 20 minutes off I 80 north

00:40:49.092 --> 00:40:49.693
of, right?

00:40:50.172 --> 00:40:50.413
Yep.

00:40:50.592 --> 00:40:50.802
Yep.

00:40:51.072 --> 00:40:51.253
Okay.

00:40:51.253 --> 00:40:51.432
And

00:40:52.242 --> 00:40:53.052
or sorry, sorry.

00:40:53.052 --> 00:40:54.253
South of I 80, south of I 80.

00:40:54.253 --> 00:40:54.342
Okay.

00:40:54.342 --> 00:40:54.643
Yeah.

00:40:54.733 --> 00:41:00.523
And just, there's a college there, there's a small college there and it's surrounded by corn fields.

00:41:00.523 --> 00:41:01.992
And so fields like how far from Omaha?

00:41:02.563 --> 00:41:03.432
Two and a half hours.

00:41:03.702 --> 00:41:04.032
Okay.

00:41:04.152 --> 00:41:04.333
Yeah.

00:41:05.083 --> 00:41:13.452
And uh, so there's probably like, in that region, there's a lot of kids at the school that are coming from those farms.

00:41:13.452 --> 00:41:13.992
'cause there's.

00:41:14.398 --> 00:41:15.898
Small firms all around there.

00:41:15.898 --> 00:41:19.737
But then there's also a bunch of town kids, like you said, that had basketball hoops didn't have ground.

00:41:20.157 --> 00:41:20.998
Yeah, Cal Pie High.

00:41:20.998 --> 00:41:21.628
That's where I went.

00:41:21.628 --> 00:41:22.378
Adam Central.

00:41:22.378 --> 00:41:23.307
So it was okay.

00:41:23.307 --> 00:41:26.338
You know, back, back in the day, it was definitely the country school.

00:41:26.367 --> 00:41:27.568
It was more Okay, okay.

00:41:27.568 --> 00:41:30.628
Pro, probably more town, kids high.

00:41:32.007 --> 00:41:34.137
Um, yeah, so three high schools in my town.

00:41:34.288 --> 00:41:37.438
Um, I went to the country school just a little bit outside of Hastings.

00:41:37.797 --> 00:41:37.858
Yeah.

00:41:37.858 --> 00:41:38.563
Let's go to like.

00:41:39.597 --> 00:41:46.978
Kind of when you started remembering yourself from like that five, six, 7-year-old, um, did you say your sister was younger or older?

00:41:47.068 --> 00:41:48.088
She's three years older.

00:41:48.117 --> 00:41:48.628
Three years older.

00:41:48.688 --> 00:41:48.777
Mm-hmm.

00:41:49.018 --> 00:41:49.108
So

00:41:49.378 --> 00:41:55.648
the little, the kid, brother, and, uh, like who you're, you're, you're kind of a shorty.

00:41:55.887 --> 00:42:00.177
Were you were I was, I was really a small kid for most of my growing up peers as well.

00:42:00.208 --> 00:42:03.387
Uh, what was the, the, like, what were you good at?

00:42:03.387 --> 00:42:04.077
Were you sporty?

00:42:04.077 --> 00:42:05.097
Were you already a wrestler?

00:42:05.248 --> 00:42:06.628
Yeah, I, I, I started wrestling.

00:42:06.628 --> 00:42:09.057
I was five and I was pretty, pretty, pretty good at it right away.

00:42:09.057 --> 00:42:10.498
Yeah, because you can be good at wrestling.

00:42:10.503 --> 00:42:11.248
Uh, I was a rut.

00:42:11.307 --> 00:42:11.967
I really was.

00:42:11.967 --> 00:42:12.748
I was pretty small.

00:42:12.777 --> 00:42:13.047
Yeah.

00:42:13.108 --> 00:42:13.648
I was Kurt the

00:42:13.648 --> 00:42:14.007
squirt.

00:42:14.097 --> 00:42:18.177
So the rut and the squirt, uh, you, you really grew up, man.

00:42:18.358 --> 00:42:25.288
Yeah, I was, I was four foot 11 in seventh grade, and then I was five foot one at the end of 10th grade.

00:42:25.527 --> 00:42:26.427
Oh my gosh, man.

00:42:26.427 --> 00:42:26.938
Yes.

00:42:27.177 --> 00:42:28.827
And like a hundred pounds both times.

00:42:28.887 --> 00:42:30.327
Um, I, I was

00:42:30.327 --> 00:42:31.168
bigger than you, man.

00:42:31.168 --> 00:42:31.378
Yeah,

00:42:31.378 --> 00:42:31.887
you were.

00:42:32.068 --> 00:42:34.467
Um, but now I could totally kick your butt.

00:42:34.797 --> 00:42:35.398
No, just kidding.

00:42:35.818 --> 00:42:36.387
You would.

00:42:36.418 --> 00:42:38.128
I've, I've met pocket rockets like you before.

00:42:38.427 --> 00:42:38.967
What do you weigh?

00:42:38.967 --> 00:42:40.887
Like one 40 or something?

00:42:41.007 --> 00:42:41.248
I'm, I'm

00:42:41.248 --> 00:42:42.088
like one 50.

00:42:42.148 --> 00:42:42.867
One 50.

00:42:42.873 --> 00:42:42.972
Yeah.

00:42:43.083 --> 00:42:43.373
Yeah.

00:42:43.378 --> 00:42:43.677
Yeah.

00:42:43.677 --> 00:42:45.927
You'd be a formidable opponent for two of me.

00:42:46.563 --> 00:42:46.853
Yeah.

00:42:47.092 --> 00:42:47.213
Probably.

00:42:47.398 --> 00:42:47.577
Yeah.

00:42:47.577 --> 00:42:50.967
So, and, and so 5-year-old you is also formidable right from the start.

00:42:51.027 --> 00:42:52.557
Yeah, I was pretty scrappy.

00:42:52.617 --> 00:42:55.197
Um, wrestled a lot with my dad as a kid.

00:42:55.708 --> 00:42:57.478
Um, yeah, I just, was he a

00:42:57.478 --> 00:42:57.867
wrestler?

00:42:58.228 --> 00:43:01.768
He, I think he wrestled a little bit, not like, you know, nothing serious enough to

00:43:01.768 --> 00:43:04.288
know how not to hurt you, but trained you up a little bit even.

00:43:04.288 --> 00:43:04.467
Yeah.

00:43:04.527 --> 00:43:07.617
And he, uh, he, he coached a lot of the sports I did.

00:43:07.617 --> 00:43:12.507
He was a pretty good athlete, so I, I did it all, you know, it was just, it was small town Nebraska.

00:43:12.568 --> 00:43:12.688
Sure.

00:43:12.688 --> 00:43:14.128
And we kind Did you wanna be on the team?

00:43:14.128 --> 00:43:14.907
You could, you just did

00:43:14.907 --> 00:43:15.507
everything.

00:43:15.717 --> 00:43:15.777
Yeah.

00:43:15.777 --> 00:43:22.498
I, I played basketball, I wrestled, I played midget football, um, you know, ran track.

00:43:22.498 --> 00:43:24.088
I did cross country later in high school.

00:43:24.088 --> 00:43:24.327
What was

00:43:24.327 --> 00:43:25.228
your track events?

00:43:25.782 --> 00:43:26.742
I did in high school.

00:43:26.742 --> 00:43:30.313
I did the mile in like the 800 and the four by eight.

00:43:30.523 --> 00:43:30.913
Okay.

00:43:31.092 --> 00:43:31.483
Yeah.

00:43:31.873 --> 00:43:33.012
I was a miler mostly.

00:43:33.012 --> 00:43:33.672
I was slow.

00:43:33.853 --> 00:43:34.152
Yeah.

00:43:34.152 --> 00:43:38.172
I broke my arm one year and so did track that year just taking shape for basketball.

00:43:38.202 --> 00:43:38.983
'cause you know,

00:43:39.313 --> 00:43:39.612
yeah.

00:43:39.612 --> 00:43:40.842
Track was kind of the fun.

00:43:40.902 --> 00:43:43.422
It was after wrestling and I took wrestling very seriously.

00:43:43.422 --> 00:43:43.512
Mm-hmm.

00:43:43.512 --> 00:43:47.958
And then it was kind of fun just to be outside and yeah, I, I would still train, but it was more do anything active.

00:43:47.958 --> 00:43:49.003
Kind of more laid back.

00:43:49.092 --> 00:43:49.572
Yeah.

00:43:49.577 --> 00:43:49.597
Yeah.

00:43:49.782 --> 00:43:53.952
Did you, uh, like have the kind of town where, or were you close enough to town?

00:43:53.952 --> 00:43:58.362
You could take your bicycle to town, like before you, but you got a driver's license at 14 Probably anyway.

00:43:58.663 --> 00:43:58.782
Yeah.

00:43:58.782 --> 00:44:00.163
Well, you could get your school permit at 14.

00:44:01.063 --> 00:44:01.422
Yeah.

00:44:01.842 --> 00:44:08.443
Um, I definitely couldn't, I could ride my bike technically from my house, but it was, it wasn't a common, it would've been a pretty, pretty long jaunt.

00:44:08.503 --> 00:44:08.742
Catch

00:44:08.742 --> 00:44:09.793
a ride with your sister instead?

00:44:09.793 --> 00:44:10.063
Uh, I did,

00:44:10.063 --> 00:44:11.862
I did have some growing up.

00:44:12.222 --> 00:44:17.443
The neighbor kids I guess were like a mile away, so I would ride my bike to, to their house and Okay.

00:44:17.503 --> 00:44:17.983
And we would.

00:44:18.867 --> 00:44:20.052
Have fun playing in the country.

00:44:20.052 --> 00:44:20.398
That's the stage.

00:44:20.398 --> 00:44:20.907
Pretty good.

00:44:21.117 --> 00:44:21.418
Yeah.

00:44:21.597 --> 00:44:27.027
Um, what other observations about Hastings, uh, would you like to share?

00:44:27.297 --> 00:44:31.137
I mean, Hastings, it's full of, it's just good hearted people.

00:44:31.228 --> 00:44:31.407
Yeah.

00:44:31.407 --> 00:44:39.688
Like, people a little bit like Colorado, like Colorado has a little bit of that Midwest vibe where people just, they'll help you if you have a flat tire Yeah.

00:44:39.693 --> 00:44:41.518
On the side of the road, they're gonna help you.

00:44:41.518 --> 00:44:41.697
You're not

00:44:41.697 --> 00:44:43.257
gonna have 20 people pass by you.

00:44:43.257 --> 00:44:44.693
You're gonna have zero people pass by you.

00:44:44.693 --> 00:44:44.702
Yeah.

00:44:44.847 --> 00:44:46.108
The first person will probably help you.

00:44:46.407 --> 00:44:46.858
Right.

00:44:46.858 --> 00:44:48.027
Change, change that.

00:44:48.027 --> 00:44:52.137
And it, it's a, um, I grew up just in a blue collar environment.

00:44:52.137 --> 00:44:55.498
Like I learned the value of work ethic very young.

00:44:55.527 --> 00:44:59.518
My first job, one of my first jobs besides helping my dad was detasseling.

00:44:59.938 --> 00:45:01.858
Which if you my wife did that, yeah.

00:45:01.858 --> 00:45:02.878
It's a terrible job.

00:45:02.998 --> 00:45:04.168
It's hard, it's hot.

00:45:04.648 --> 00:45:09.027
Um, and yeah, back then it was like five bucks an hour, but that was a lot of money when you're 12.

00:45:09.032 --> 00:45:09.628
Right, right.

00:45:09.688 --> 00:45:14.307
So I, I just learned the value of, of hard work.

00:45:14.427 --> 00:45:14.998
Um.

00:45:15.402 --> 00:45:17.532
At a young age, which, which I appreciated.

00:45:17.742 --> 00:45:18.972
And can I ask, how old are you?

00:45:18.972 --> 00:45:19.213
Like

00:45:19.302 --> 00:45:19.932
I'm 39.

00:45:19.992 --> 00:45:20.413
39?

00:45:20.413 --> 00:45:20.503
Mm-hmm.

00:45:20.773 --> 00:45:24.822
So that would've been high school would've been like, 2005 is when I finished.

00:45:24.822 --> 00:45:24.972
Yeah.

00:45:25.003 --> 00:45:25.182
Okay.

00:45:25.452 --> 00:45:25.693
Yep.

00:45:26.293 --> 00:45:30.222
Um, and then what, like where did you go to school?

00:45:30.313 --> 00:45:30.793
I assume

00:45:30.793 --> 00:45:31.273
college.

00:45:31.302 --> 00:45:31.603
Yeah.

00:45:31.663 --> 00:45:34.063
Uh, I went to Morningside College in Iowa.

00:45:34.063 --> 00:45:34.873
I wrestled there.

00:45:34.963 --> 00:45:35.322
Okay.

00:45:35.503 --> 00:45:36.432
Um, scholarships.

00:45:36.822 --> 00:45:39.222
I had a scholarship and then I wrestled for two years.

00:45:39.222 --> 00:45:42.552
And, um, I was just a little bit burnt out.

00:45:42.612 --> 00:45:44.202
I was tired of cutting weight.

00:45:44.413 --> 00:45:44.592
Right.

00:45:44.592 --> 00:45:46.242
I wasn't having much success and

00:45:46.693 --> 00:45:47.233
I kind of wanted

00:45:47.233 --> 00:45:48.072
something different.

00:45:48.072 --> 00:45:54.012
And I got, after wrestling, I, I got really excited about like, adventure.

00:45:54.193 --> 00:45:55.992
So I actually studied abroad in Italy.

00:45:56.112 --> 00:45:56.532
Oh, cool.

00:45:56.713 --> 00:45:58.333
Which you just said you have an exchange student.

00:45:58.333 --> 00:45:58.632
Yeah.

00:45:58.632 --> 00:45:59.472
Where in Italy were you?

00:45:59.623 --> 00:46:01.362
I was in a town called Temo,

00:46:01.603 --> 00:46:02.623
which is Temo Mall.

00:46:02.682 --> 00:46:03.492
It's like Te Malls.

00:46:03.702 --> 00:46:06.583
The, the West Rome is on the west side.

00:46:06.583 --> 00:46:09.012
If you go directly east, almost to the Adri.

00:46:09.463 --> 00:46:09.853
Yeah.

00:46:10.063 --> 00:46:11.922
Um, that's, that's a small town.

00:46:11.952 --> 00:46:12.643
Okay.

00:46:12.643 --> 00:46:12.807
Of Omo.

00:46:12.822 --> 00:46:14.472
It's about 60,000 people.

00:46:14.893 --> 00:46:19.063
It was the first year the college had an exchange with the program.

00:46:19.152 --> 00:46:19.273
Oh, cool.

00:46:19.288 --> 00:46:19.447
Cool.

00:46:19.447 --> 00:46:22.152
I didn't speak a, speak a lick of Italian.

00:46:22.182 --> 00:46:22.273
Mm-hmm.

00:46:22.663 --> 00:46:28.242
I just, something attracted me to Italy and, and I went and it was for a full year.

00:46:28.452 --> 00:46:31.483
I went for just over three months, like three and a half months.

00:46:31.543 --> 00:46:31.813
Okay.

00:46:32.233 --> 00:46:33.943
A little shy of a semester.

00:46:34.483 --> 00:46:36.943
Um, I hardly ever went to class.

00:46:38.472 --> 00:46:42.373
It was so funny, like not a whole lot of people spoke English.

00:46:42.373 --> 00:46:43.543
It was kind of a shock.

00:46:43.782 --> 00:46:44.413
I'm sure.

00:46:44.503 --> 00:46:48.193
Um, even a lot of the students were Spanish, um

00:46:48.282 --> 00:46:48.762
Right.

00:46:48.762 --> 00:46:50.742
Because Spain and Italy are kind of buddies a bit.

00:46:50.742 --> 00:46:52.273
'cause they can almost, yeah.

00:46:52.273 --> 00:46:54.043
They can learn each other's languages pretty quickly.

00:46:54.072 --> 00:46:55.693
And then I met my friend William.

00:46:55.693 --> 00:46:59.172
He was, um, his mom was from Spain, his dad was from England.

00:46:59.172 --> 00:47:00.702
And he's just like, Hey mate, what's up?

00:47:00.702 --> 00:47:02.353
I'm like, ah, we speak English.

00:47:02.862 --> 00:47:04.873
And, and we kind of became, uh,

00:47:05.443 --> 00:47:05.623
yeah.

00:47:05.623 --> 00:47:06.163
Partners in

00:47:06.163 --> 00:47:06.853
crime.

00:47:06.913 --> 00:47:13.782
And we found out, I found out like early on, like I was the only American there and.

00:47:14.382 --> 00:47:16.873
They, the teachers took a liking to me kind of.

00:47:16.873 --> 00:47:19.092
'cause I was just like, I didn't speak very good Italian.

00:47:19.458 --> 00:47:20.652
I, I always just say no.

00:47:20.652 --> 00:47:21.463
So I don't know.

00:47:21.822 --> 00:47:23.623
They'd ask me something Italian, I'd be like, no.

00:47:23.623 --> 00:47:26.802
So, or in Italian they'd say, B BA means, I don't know,

00:47:26.862 --> 00:47:27.103
B.

00:47:27.672 --> 00:47:30.402
So like, they would laugh at me, but it was all in good nature.

00:47:30.402 --> 00:47:34.663
And then I, I started missing class here and there, and it was always fine.

00:47:34.722 --> 00:47:37.813
They'd like, give me, um, like good grades.

00:47:37.813 --> 00:47:37.873
Yeah.

00:47:37.873 --> 00:47:42.132
So then like, we went to Venice, we went to Rome, we went to Florence and we They hooked you

00:47:42.132 --> 00:47:42.373
up?

00:47:42.402 --> 00:47:42.643
We were,

00:47:42.643 --> 00:47:42.972
yeah.

00:47:42.972 --> 00:47:48.313
The last, the, the, the final, uh, final exams.

00:47:48.523 --> 00:47:51.342
There was a teacher in there and she gave me all the answers.

00:47:51.822 --> 00:47:53.083
So I got, I got two.

00:47:53.472 --> 00:47:54.733
I got two A's and A B.

00:47:55.242 --> 00:47:57.853
Um, I only had three classes in, in the other class.

00:47:57.858 --> 00:47:57.938
That's crazy.

00:47:57.943 --> 00:47:58.092
And you

00:47:58.092 --> 00:48:01.543
probably didn't learn very good Italian either, because you, Paolo Italiano.

00:48:02.172 --> 00:48:02.413
Yeah.

00:48:02.458 --> 00:48:03.672
I, I speak pretty good Italian.

00:48:03.702 --> 00:48:04.092
Oh, you do?

00:48:04.182 --> 00:48:04.483
I,

00:48:04.512 --> 00:48:05.983
well, at least you learned Italian.

00:48:06.043 --> 00:48:06.552
Yeah.

00:48:06.552 --> 00:48:06.822
I actually,

00:48:07.422 --> 00:48:12.373
what was cool was after, after I studied in Italy and I finished, I have a degree in psychology.

00:48:12.972 --> 00:48:18.432
And then I actually backpacked around Central America and I picked up Spanish pretty quickly because I just Yeah.

00:48:18.523 --> 00:48:20.237
Um, you know, Latin languages, so Yeah.

00:48:20.242 --> 00:48:20.353
Yeah.

00:48:20.353 --> 00:48:20.563
It's a

00:48:20.563 --> 00:48:21.913
kissing cousin with Italian.

00:48:21.913 --> 00:48:22.092
Yeah.

00:48:22.123 --> 00:48:24.432
So I actually, I, I really, and Portuguese.

00:48:24.492 --> 00:48:24.822
Yeah.

00:48:24.913 --> 00:48:25.182
Right.

00:48:25.242 --> 00:48:27.012
So it was a, it was a really cool experience.

00:48:27.012 --> 00:48:27.222
Oh, that's

00:48:27.222 --> 00:48:27.643
interesting.

00:48:27.733 --> 00:48:39.733
Well, I'll have to get you together, uh, with Sarah sometime, because Yeah, man, it'll, you know, she talked to the guy at the La Pina Mano is from her region in Italy.

00:48:39.733 --> 00:48:43.152
Is where his, uh, the, have you had those, the flatbread pizzas?

00:48:43.152 --> 00:48:43.782
No, I haven't over there.

00:48:43.782 --> 00:48:44.773
Well, they're in the exchange.

00:48:44.773 --> 00:48:45.132
Go there.

00:48:45.282 --> 00:48:45.552
Cool.

00:48:45.552 --> 00:48:46.512
Commercial for you, mano.

00:48:47.143 --> 00:48:53.197
Um, but, but he's, I think he's maybe Hungarian, I believe by birth, but lived in Italy for quite a while.

00:48:53.197 --> 00:48:53.478
Mm-hmm.

00:48:53.563 --> 00:48:54.972
And, and took that concept.

00:48:55.032 --> 00:48:58.813
And so like where Sarah's from is where Pina's are from.

00:48:58.902 --> 00:48:59.353
Oh, that's cool.

00:48:59.503 --> 00:49:01.362
And so they were able to talk Italian, but it's.

00:49:02.217 --> 00:49:04.407
There aren't that many Italian speakers around.

00:49:04.467 --> 00:49:04.887
No, there's not.

00:49:04.918 --> 00:49:10.137
Um, and so opportunities to speak with somebody, uh, from time to time, uh, in Italian would be fun for her.

00:49:10.168 --> 00:49:10.318
Yeah.

00:49:10.378 --> 00:49:12.447
Well, let's have dinner and, um, we'll meet.

00:49:12.628 --> 00:49:13.347
Yeah, sounds good.

00:49:13.407 --> 00:49:14.007
You can buy me a drink.

00:49:14.007 --> 00:49:25.228
So, um, okay, so you're just three months in Italy though, but this is kind of like a, a changing moment for you of sorts or like, what was the reset button, or Not at all yet.

00:49:26.068 --> 00:49:27.418
It was just more of, I if was a reset eye opener,

00:49:27.478 --> 00:49:34.018
just more of I knew I wanted to have some type of adventure and it was definitely outta my comfort zone.

00:49:34.047 --> 00:49:39.987
And I, I don't know, like what the, there wasn't like some big enlightening experience.

00:49:40.047 --> 00:49:44.398
It was more that I just really love connecting with people from different places.

00:49:44.878 --> 00:49:54.628
And I think, I think it's good just to, you know, I was very dedicated to wrestling for a long time throughout high school and college, and it was almost just like a disruptor.

00:49:55.228 --> 00:49:55.797
Um,

00:49:55.827 --> 00:49:57.688
well, and plus you're a small town farm kid.

00:49:57.958 --> 00:49:58.257
Yeah.

00:49:58.347 --> 00:49:59.938
And you're all of a sudden you're, you're kind of.

00:50:00.237 --> 00:50:09.237
Building your knowledge about what it is to connect with people from different kinds of places, spaces, cultures, backgrounds.

00:50:09.268 --> 00:50:09.358
Mm-hmm.

00:50:09.807 --> 00:50:13.018
And that was formative for what was to come, obviously.

00:50:13.018 --> 00:50:13.708
Yeah, totally right.

00:50:13.708 --> 00:50:13.947
Yeah.

00:50:14.007 --> 00:50:14.307
Yeah.

00:50:14.608 --> 00:50:14.847
Yeah.

00:50:14.847 --> 00:50:19.467
It's intriguing how, you know, and were you flowing by the end of that?

00:50:19.797 --> 00:50:20.217
Fluent

00:50:20.307 --> 00:50:20.788
flowing?

00:50:20.788 --> 00:50:21.268
Flowing?

00:50:21.447 --> 00:50:22.077
Oh, flowing.

00:50:22.168 --> 00:50:23.307
You're talking about being in flow.

00:50:23.398 --> 00:50:23.608
Yeah.

00:50:23.608 --> 00:50:23.998
Oh man.

00:50:23.998 --> 00:50:24.358
Yeah.

00:50:24.358 --> 00:50:31.168
I feel like I was, you know, me and William, we did this funny thing where sometimes we would just hop on a bus, not like, really knowing where it was going.

00:50:31.858 --> 00:50:39.597
Um, and it was funny'cause sometimes it would like take us to where we needed to go and it was like, oh, this is cool.

00:50:39.597 --> 00:50:42.867
Sometimes it didn't, sometimes you'd end up in like a town trying to figure out how to get handle.

00:50:43.858 --> 00:50:55.438
Um, but it was, I guess it was just, uh, an experience of being, being able to go on an, an adventure for the sake of being on an adventure and.

00:50:55.992 --> 00:51:01.273
Also, also just grow like as a solo traveler and have to figure things out.

00:51:01.362 --> 00:51:01.543
Yeah.

00:51:01.543 --> 00:51:01.782
Like on

00:51:01.782 --> 00:51:02.202
your own.

00:51:02.472 --> 00:51:05.233
And you said that later you traveled to Central America mm-hmm.

00:51:05.478 --> 00:51:05.617
Different things.

00:51:05.773 --> 00:51:09.657
Was that like immediately upcoming or did you have to go back and finish college and stuff?

00:51:09.657 --> 00:51:10.003
Yeah, I

00:51:10.003 --> 00:51:13.003
finished, I had, I had like a semester left in college.

00:51:13.032 --> 00:51:15.072
I finished barely, it was hard.

00:51:15.103 --> 00:51:16.092
I was pretty checked out.

00:51:16.753 --> 00:51:17.143
Um,

00:51:17.472 --> 00:51:18.583
with what kinda a degree?

00:51:18.702 --> 00:51:19.393
Psychology.

00:51:19.483 --> 00:51:19.873
Okay.

00:51:19.932 --> 00:51:20.353
Yeah.

00:51:20.893 --> 00:51:29.083
And I, I actually worked, my first job outta college was as a youth care specialist at like a juvenile, um, addiction

00:51:29.472 --> 00:51:29.742
Yeah.

00:51:29.802 --> 00:51:31.092
Type, type place.

00:51:31.123 --> 00:51:31.302
Yeah.

00:51:31.302 --> 00:51:33.043
You can go here instead of going to jail.

00:51:33.072 --> 00:51:33.342
Mm-hmm.

00:51:33.588 --> 00:51:33.777
Yeah.

00:51:34.092 --> 00:51:34.362
Yeah.

00:51:34.362 --> 00:51:35.713
Which was really eyeopening.

00:51:35.713 --> 00:51:36.222
Interesting.

00:51:36.282 --> 00:51:36.583
Yeah.

00:51:36.643 --> 00:51:37.813
Some, I would get confused, some

00:51:37.813 --> 00:51:42.132
different kind of cultural experiences than the rich people that you get to hang out with around Italy and whatever.

00:51:42.193 --> 00:51:42.373
Yeah.

00:51:42.373 --> 00:51:47.862
And I'd be walking around that place and they'd think I was like one of the, one of the kids there and be like, how'd you get here?

00:51:47.867 --> 00:51:48.762
Like, I work here.

00:51:48.822 --> 00:51:49.302
I work here.

00:51:49.902 --> 00:51:52.003
Um, yeah.

00:51:52.032 --> 00:51:53.472
So I, after that, I worked there.

00:51:54.177 --> 00:52:02.907
And then before I moved to Colorado, I backpacked, um, through Central Amer, Mexico and Central America for just over three months, three or four months.

00:52:02.938 --> 00:52:03.297
Okay.

00:52:03.387 --> 00:52:03.478
Mm-hmm.

00:52:04.257 --> 00:52:05.518
What was your favorite part about that?

00:52:06.717 --> 00:52:11.487
Probably, probably just meeting, meeting the locals, meeting the, the people.

00:52:11.487 --> 00:52:14.847
I volunteered on a coffee plantation for a month in Guatemala.

00:52:15.807 --> 00:52:17.577
A heavy Mayan population.

00:52:17.637 --> 00:52:17.938
Sure.

00:52:17.998 --> 00:52:21.657
Um, just very, very kind people.

00:52:21.688 --> 00:52:22.797
They don't have very much.

00:52:22.858 --> 00:52:23.157
Yeah.

00:52:23.217 --> 00:52:27.088
They would kill a chicken and cook for you the day you got there.

00:52:27.568 --> 00:52:32.097
Um, just really learn more about some of the culture there.

00:52:32.097 --> 00:52:35.967
And then while I was traveling, I just tried to stay with like local people.

00:52:36.148 --> 00:52:36.327
Yeah.

00:52:36.358 --> 00:52:39.538
You just meet people, Hey man, you know a place to stay around here.

00:52:39.538 --> 00:52:39.597
Yeah.

00:52:39.597 --> 00:52:42.987
You can crash on my couch, buy me dinner, you can crash on my couch.

00:52:42.987 --> 00:52:45.057
So just meeting locals and

00:52:45.148 --> 00:52:45.748
Oh, interesting.

00:52:45.867 --> 00:52:49.887
Learning, learning about them, learning about their culture and meeting other travelers too.

00:52:50.188 --> 00:52:52.362
And I guess you hadn't met your wife by this point in time.

00:52:53.068 --> 00:52:53.998
No, not yet.

00:52:54.507 --> 00:52:56.458
Um, what's next?

00:52:57.208 --> 00:53:01.407
Uh, so I guess what, what's next is I returned home.

00:53:01.737 --> 00:53:04.347
I decided I wanted to move to Colorado.

00:53:04.768 --> 00:53:07.557
I got a job on the ski resort in Keystone.

00:53:07.827 --> 00:53:08.128
Okay.

00:53:08.157 --> 00:53:08.338
And

00:53:08.338 --> 00:53:14.007
I met my wife at a friend's giving party right before I moved to Colorado.

00:53:14.213 --> 00:53:14.432
Oh.

00:53:14.438 --> 00:53:15.148
Oh, really?

00:53:15.177 --> 00:53:16.077
So I moved in

00:53:16.077 --> 00:53:16.648
Hastings.

00:53:16.737 --> 00:53:18.148
In Hastings at, at

00:53:18.148 --> 00:53:19.318
a mutual friend's house.

00:53:19.498 --> 00:53:20.998
And she was from there too, I guess.

00:53:21.027 --> 00:53:21.297
Yeah.

00:53:21.297 --> 00:53:24.748
But we, we just didn't know each, we didn't know each other, but we had a mutual friend.

00:53:24.748 --> 00:53:28.498
She was back, um, on like college break.

00:53:28.498 --> 00:53:28.768
Sure.

00:53:28.768 --> 00:53:31.827
And I was just finishing college and moving to Colorado.

00:53:31.858 --> 00:53:32.038
Yeah.

00:53:32.038 --> 00:53:32.338
Yeah.

00:53:33.237 --> 00:53:40.018
Um, can I get a, like a, a 90 seconds on, and I'm sorry, your wife's name again was Annie.

00:53:40.018 --> 00:53:41.338
Annie on Annie's background.

00:53:41.338 --> 00:53:43.347
Was she farm girl, town girl.

00:53:43.347 --> 00:53:45.592
Like,'cause you're like kind of this a.

00:53:46.333 --> 00:53:56.233
Worldly adventurer almost, that's been near homeless for a third of the last few years at this point in time when you guys are, are connecting, right?

00:53:56.262 --> 00:53:56.563
Yeah.

00:53:57.313 --> 00:54:01.092
And like, I'm just kind of curious about who Annie is.

00:54:01.152 --> 00:54:01.393
Yeah.

00:54:01.393 --> 00:54:02.503
And, uh, anyway,

00:54:02.893 --> 00:54:03.943
Annie's amazing.

00:54:03.943 --> 00:54:06.282
But she, she grew up in an interesting household.

00:54:06.282 --> 00:54:11.592
Her, her father, um, was from, I think from Kentucky where he was born.

00:54:11.592 --> 00:54:17.382
But he grew up in Nebraska and he was in the Air Force in Thailand.

00:54:17.802 --> 00:54:19.722
And Annie's mother is from Thailand.

00:54:19.782 --> 00:54:19.963
Oh.

00:54:20.023 --> 00:54:26.172
And she, she came over to college, um, when she was 18 or 19, I think.

00:54:26.382 --> 00:54:26.422
Oh, wow.

00:54:26.422 --> 00:54:27.672
And her father was like,

00:54:28.123 --> 00:54:28.992
oh, I, hey, you're super cute.

00:54:28.992 --> 00:54:30.643
I was in Thailand and Oh yeah.

00:54:30.762 --> 00:54:31.992
Probably spoke some tie to her.

00:54:31.992 --> 00:54:32.592
Right, right.

00:54:32.682 --> 00:54:36.702
Um, so Annie, you know, she grew up going to Thailand once a year.

00:54:37.213 --> 00:54:41.233
Um, kind of this small town Nebraska meets the heart of Bangkok.

00:54:41.233 --> 00:54:41.713
Yeah.

00:54:41.952 --> 00:54:43.318
Well, and one.

00:54:44.487 --> 00:54:47.728
Was there a second Asian student at Hastings High School?

00:54:47.878 --> 00:54:48.717
Uh, her cousin.

00:54:48.717 --> 00:54:50.663
Something with her, another one.

00:54:50.733 --> 00:54:51.023
Moms.

00:54:51.023 --> 00:54:51.597
Her mom's cousins.

00:54:51.717 --> 00:54:52.108
Right.

00:54:52.288 --> 00:54:52.503
Um, yeah.

00:54:52.507 --> 00:54:53.518
But almost none.

00:54:53.518 --> 00:54:53.878
Right?

00:54:53.882 --> 00:54:54.657
Oh yeah, totally.

00:54:54.717 --> 00:54:59.007
Um, but totally, I imagine kind of raising an American fashion, right?

00:54:59.188 --> 00:54:59.487
Yeah.

00:54:59.487 --> 00:55:01.077
I think, you know, a little bit of,

00:55:01.137 --> 00:55:04.943
with a little more o open influence because of that travel to Thailand every year, right?

00:55:04.943 --> 00:55:05.182
Mm-hmm.

00:55:05.268 --> 00:55:07.918
Like you'd been opening your eyes beyond Hastings and Yeah.

00:55:07.918 --> 00:55:09.358
She had always had'em opening away.

00:55:09.452 --> 00:55:09.742
Yeah.

00:55:09.898 --> 00:55:10.557
Yeah, exactly.

00:55:10.947 --> 00:55:11.128
Hmm.

00:55:11.608 --> 00:55:11.907
Okay.

00:55:12.478 --> 00:55:15.628
Um, and so you guys meet right before you're gonna move away?

00:55:15.628 --> 00:55:16.047
Mm-hmm.

00:55:16.947 --> 00:55:17.188
Yeah.

00:55:17.188 --> 00:55:20.577
So we meet and I move and we just, we stayed in touch a little bit.

00:55:20.577 --> 00:55:27.958
Like I said, we had mutual friends, so she would come out to Colorado on ski trips or, uh, to a concert at Red Rocks.

00:55:28.018 --> 00:55:28.197
When you

00:55:28.197 --> 00:55:32.307
came home for Christmas or when you'd be hanging out with Annie all the time, your parents were like, why didn't

00:55:32.307 --> 00:55:33.027
you hang out with us more?

00:55:33.538 --> 00:55:34.827
Yeah, exactly.

00:55:34.887 --> 00:55:42.358
And we, um, we did that for a couple years, just stayed friends, and then she finished college.

00:55:42.927 --> 00:55:45.208
And she decided to move out to Colorado.

00:55:45.387 --> 00:55:45.717
Oh, cool.

00:55:45.838 --> 00:55:48.927
Um, and she, she worked as the manager at the rafting shop.

00:55:48.927 --> 00:55:51.387
I was, I was the raft guy, like

00:55:51.447 --> 00:55:52.228
right outta college.

00:55:52.228 --> 00:55:54.358
She's all like, boom.

00:55:54.358 --> 00:55:55.648
You're the manager of the rafting shop.

00:55:55.827 --> 00:55:56.608
Yeah, pretty much.

00:55:56.697 --> 00:55:57.358
That's pretty cool.

00:55:57.358 --> 00:56:02.007
The testimony her, she worked as diligence the receptionist the first year and then managed at the next year.

00:56:02.157 --> 00:56:02.353
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:02.757 --> 00:56:06.327
Um, and yeah, we lived in a little popup camper down by the river.

00:56:06.777 --> 00:56:07.197
That's cool.

00:56:07.257 --> 00:56:11.007
Um, what a fascinating start to, uh, a marriage and a life.

00:56:11.007 --> 00:56:17.338
And then, you know, before too long you've got this kind of thriving property cleaning service.

00:56:17.367 --> 00:56:17.427
Yeah.

00:56:17.427 --> 00:56:27.568
And we spent, we spent two of the winter, so we work in, um, the rafting company in the summer and then the winter one winter we worked in California on different farms.

00:56:27.568 --> 00:56:31.588
There's an organization called Wolfing, worldwide Organization of Organic Farms.

00:56:31.617 --> 00:56:31.648
Okay.

00:56:32.038 --> 00:56:36.568
And they basically give you a place to live, usually a camper in exchange for.

00:56:37.228 --> 00:56:38.367
Like part-time work.

00:56:38.458 --> 00:56:38.728
Yeah.

00:56:38.728 --> 00:56:41.967
And they'll give you food and a place to stay and then you can go explore.

00:56:42.117 --> 00:56:44.697
It's almost like a Peace Corps kind of thing that you learn a bunch of stuff too.

00:56:44.697 --> 00:56:45.208
A little bit.

00:56:45.208 --> 00:56:45.447
Yeah.

00:56:45.447 --> 00:56:47.757
So we were, you weren't in detasseling corn or anything though?

00:56:47.878 --> 00:56:48.873
We weren't detasseling corn.

00:56:48.873 --> 00:56:48.882
Okay.

00:56:50.038 --> 00:56:50.547
Hell no.

00:56:50.878 --> 00:56:53.097
Um, yeah, so that was cool.

00:56:53.097 --> 00:56:56.248
One winter we spent in California just traveling up and down the coast.

00:56:56.577 --> 00:57:06.867
And then the next winter we actually, a bunch of the rafting company, like 15 of us, took a trip down the Zambezi River in Zimbabwe and then we road tripped in South Africa.

00:57:06.867 --> 00:57:08.217
And then we spent Wow.

00:57:08.217 --> 00:57:09.748
A couple months in Southeast Asia.

00:57:10.197 --> 00:57:10.407
Wow.

00:57:10.407 --> 00:57:12.418
So we did, we did a really epic trip together.

00:57:12.418 --> 00:57:13.438
That big of a group.

00:57:13.978 --> 00:57:20.577
15 of us were in Africa for two weeks and then there was four of us that road trip from Cape Town to Durban.

00:57:20.967 --> 00:57:24.507
And then me and Annie went to Southeast Asia.

00:57:24.507 --> 00:57:24.568
Yeah.

00:57:24.628 --> 00:57:25.557
For a couple months.

00:57:26.458 --> 00:57:30.387
What an interesting, like you guys were Van Lifeing.

00:57:30.597 --> 00:57:31.197
Uh.

00:57:31.932 --> 00:57:33.492
But even with less.

00:57:33.612 --> 00:57:33.733
Mm-hmm.

00:57:34.123 --> 00:57:36.313
Uh, way before that was even a thing.

00:57:36.313 --> 00:57:36.733
Hardly.

00:57:37.302 --> 00:57:42.132
Did you have inspirations in that pursuit or was it just kind of freethinking and let's just do this?

00:57:42.253 --> 00:57:42.463
Yeah.

00:57:42.463 --> 00:57:51.342
One thing was like, when we were working on the farms together, people were just like, you guys are like really, like, great, you guys worked together really well.

00:57:51.373 --> 00:57:51.463
Hmm.

00:57:51.643 --> 00:57:56.413
And they would like, like, are you cool if we just go on vacation and you guys like, run the farm?

00:57:56.413 --> 00:57:59.023
We had a couple people just like leave the farm to us.

00:57:59.023 --> 00:58:03.012
And there was this, there was this farm with this old couple Bruce, which

00:58:03.012 --> 00:58:05.322
only could have happened if you had that farming background.

00:58:05.503 --> 00:58:05.713
Yeah.

00:58:05.713 --> 00:58:06.597
It's like that probably I'm

00:58:06.788 --> 00:58:09.012
Well that, that, that got us in the door for sure.

00:58:09.193 --> 00:58:14.592
Hey, I'm a, I'm a farmer, but a lot of it was just like vegetable gardens for CSAs or Sure.

00:58:14.623 --> 00:58:15.583
Like growing chickens, food.

00:58:15.583 --> 00:58:15.672
But

00:58:15.672 --> 00:58:17.983
you wouldn't be so good at it without all that deep background.

00:58:18.177 --> 00:58:20.293
It, it did, it definitely helped for sure.

00:58:20.338 --> 00:58:22.963
You know, you went to school for psychology, not horticulture.

00:58:23.443 --> 00:58:24.463
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:24.463 --> 00:58:29.592
But I, yeah, I was comfortable just like working machines and, yeah, just, just things like that.

00:58:30.043 --> 00:58:44.413
Um, but there was this one guy named Bruce, and they had this really cool farm and we, we stayed with them for three weeks or a month, and he, like, he was kind of an old gruffly guy, you know, and, uh, kind of hard to break his exterior.

00:58:44.413 --> 00:58:50.413
And, but I got to know him pretty well and he just looked at me the day we left and he's, he just looked at me in the eye and he said, you know what?

00:58:50.983 --> 00:58:57.402
You guys are like gonna find something where you guys are really great at, and you guys can do anything you want to do.

00:58:57.612 --> 00:58:59.353
And it just, I still think about that.

00:58:59.353 --> 00:59:00.552
It almost makes me cry.

00:59:00.672 --> 00:59:00.972
Yeah.

00:59:01.032 --> 00:59:06.132
Like almost like confirmation, confirmation to go for it a little bit.

00:59:06.132 --> 00:59:06.552
Yeah.

00:59:06.583 --> 00:59:06.853
Yeah.

00:59:06.882 --> 00:59:07.182
Yeah.

00:59:07.663 --> 00:59:09.702
Well, I think that's with any endeavor.

00:59:09.793 --> 00:59:09.913
Mm-hmm.

00:59:10.333 --> 00:59:10.813
Right.

00:59:10.873 --> 00:59:26.353
And one of the things I compliment you on is that shift out of, you know, was like the, the, the Airbnb kind of business and stuff, both, you had gotten kind of tired, but also the, the market has changed a lot since then.

00:59:26.443 --> 00:59:26.922
Oh yeah,

00:59:27.072 --> 00:59:27.432
totally.

00:59:27.432 --> 00:59:28.992
You know, and so even had you.

00:59:29.532 --> 00:59:30.793
Continue to try to pursue that.

00:59:30.793 --> 00:59:32.532
It probably wouldn't have been what it once was.

00:59:32.592 --> 00:59:32.742
Yeah.

00:59:32.742 --> 00:59:34.393
We saw the storm coming a little bit, right.

00:59:34.393 --> 00:59:35.592
The riding was on the wall.

00:59:35.623 --> 00:59:35.983
Right.

00:59:35.983 --> 00:59:36.193
And

00:59:36.193 --> 00:59:46.963
so opening up a new chapter, making some new reflections and like, are you gonna turn your, your clients into like hippies that can live in a van down by the river?

00:59:47.322 --> 00:59:48.463
Uh, if they want to,

00:59:48.463 --> 00:59:50.503
I mean, if they want to, if that's their calling.

00:59:51.072 --> 00:59:51.612
You know?

00:59:52.123 --> 01:00:03.378
Um, I, I feel like just that, I guess like lifestyle a little bit just opens you up to like experiences where you have to be pretty lean, you know?

01:00:03.378 --> 01:00:03.538
Yeah.

01:00:03.643 --> 01:00:04.873
You don't, you don't need much.

01:00:04.873 --> 01:00:06.492
You, you can be scrappy.

01:00:06.492 --> 01:00:11.083
And, and it helped us in business too, because there's a lot of really bad business advice out there.

01:00:11.083 --> 01:00:11.563
Sure.

01:00:11.682 --> 01:00:24.432
And, and the truth is, like for us anyways, the minute you start thinking you need to take out loans or you know, buying new company vehicles, your cash flow just dries up.

01:00:24.672 --> 01:00:24.793
Hmm.

01:00:24.853 --> 01:00:28.512
So we just, some of that scrappiness we learned traveling.

01:00:28.873 --> 01:00:35.862
And just living in campers like we took with us as business owners and we, we were like profitable from day one, you know?

01:00:35.862 --> 01:00:36.132
Right.

01:00:36.132 --> 01:00:37.963
It was always about bottom line for us, you know?

01:00:37.963 --> 01:00:38.172
Is your

01:00:38.172 --> 01:00:40.003
financial acumen actually pretty good?

01:00:40.003 --> 01:00:42.402
Like, you know, a balance sheet and a Oh, totally.

01:00:42.402 --> 01:00:43.242
P and l, yeah.

01:00:43.242 --> 01:00:44.202
Up top and bottom.

01:00:44.382 --> 01:00:44.773
Yeah.

01:00:44.773 --> 01:00:54.523
I mean, my wi that's definitely my wife's stronger suit, but we're, we're both pretty financially literate and we just like being lean was just kind of

01:00:54.523 --> 01:00:57.043
choose to work with smaller numbers than some people strive for.

01:00:57.222 --> 01:00:57.643
Yeah.

01:00:57.702 --> 01:01:00.132
And, and to us it was always about the bottom line.

01:01:00.132 --> 01:01:05.592
Like there's a lot of talk about like, I make this in revenue, seven figures, but to us it was always like, what's our bottom line?

01:01:05.623 --> 01:01:05.682
Yeah.

01:01:05.682 --> 01:01:06.402
Are we profitable?

01:01:06.402 --> 01:01:07.333
Are we cash flowing?

01:01:07.782 --> 01:01:10.032
'cause that's really, and that was always important to us.

01:01:10.032 --> 01:01:13.302
Like, let's just stay lean, be able to cash flow.

01:01:13.362 --> 01:01:22.213
And it gives you an element of not just resilience, but um, like the word I use is anti fragility.

01:01:22.273 --> 01:01:22.543
Yeah.

01:01:22.603 --> 01:01:26.893
Like, um, you can pivot, you can be adaptable, you can.

01:01:27.447 --> 01:01:38.487
You can, something like COVID happens and you don't have to sweat because you're like, Hey, they closed down every vacation rental during the busiest time of year, spring break, and we're good.

01:01:38.967 --> 01:01:41.217
Like, we don't have to, we don't have bills to pay, we don't have debt.

01:01:41.398 --> 01:01:41.818
Right.

01:01:41.878 --> 01:01:42.793
So it it, there might

01:01:42.793 --> 01:01:44.637
not be any customers, but Yeah.

01:01:44.668 --> 01:01:45.987
We also don't have a bunch of overhead.

01:01:46.047 --> 01:01:46.318
Yeah.

01:01:46.318 --> 01:01:46.498
So

01:01:46.498 --> 01:01:57.237
there was, there was some lessons there of just being able and also being able to pivot and be like, we're gonna shut our doors and it would be nice to sell this, but it's also time to move.

01:01:57.237 --> 01:01:57.297
Yeah.

01:01:57.327 --> 01:01:58.378
Like, we both feel it.

01:01:58.677 --> 01:02:06.177
So it, it, it allows you to have a level of boldness and adaptability when you run that way.

01:02:06.208 --> 01:02:06.507
Yeah.

01:02:06.512 --> 01:02:06.552
Yeah.

01:02:06.952 --> 01:02:15.867
I, I have a observation about the world or culture or whatever you wanna call it, that, um, most people try to out earn their expenditures mm-hmm.

01:02:16.318 --> 01:02:19.318
Rather than underspending, um, their revenues.

01:02:19.438 --> 01:02:19.737
Yeah.

01:02:20.307 --> 01:02:20.728
And.

01:02:21.282 --> 01:02:25.242
Uh, it's so obvious that the better thing is to underspend your revenues.

01:02:25.422 --> 01:02:25.963
Yeah, totally.

01:02:26.052 --> 01:02:32.742
But people just like have this like, oh, if I could just make that much more, then I can afford this lifestyle I'm been living.

01:02:32.952 --> 01:02:33.282
Yeah.

01:02:33.342 --> 01:02:40.032
Or yeah, when you, and, and it also just, it helps you like, you know, prioritize.

01:02:40.032 --> 01:02:40.932
Like, what do I care about?

01:02:41.112 --> 01:02:41.233
Yeah.

01:02:41.353 --> 01:02:46.092
You know, for us, we're, we're fine with driving old Toyotas, you know, that's, that's cool with us.

01:02:46.123 --> 01:02:53.532
Like, we don't need new cars, but we, we do value being able to go to Hawaii for five months and be able to

01:02:53.802 --> 01:02:54.132
Yeah.

01:02:54.222 --> 01:02:55.902
Hang out and have those experiences.

01:02:55.902 --> 01:02:59.413
So it's just like, what, what do we, what do we value?

01:02:59.413 --> 01:03:01.452
What do we want to focus our energy on?

01:03:02.023 --> 01:03:11.418
And then when you do have, you know, when there's fruit, you can enjoy it a little more because like, hey, we've, uh, our spending's been low and Yeah,

01:03:11.422 --> 01:03:11.773
yeah.

01:03:11.773 --> 01:03:12.913
Let's have a little bit of fun.

01:03:12.913 --> 01:03:13.722
Like, it's all good.

01:03:13.902 --> 01:03:18.132
So that's such a counter-cultural experience, especially from.

01:03:18.733 --> 01:03:22.483
You know, the market where you spent a lot of time in Steamboat Springs, right?

01:03:22.632 --> 01:03:22.753
Mm-hmm.

01:03:23.023 --> 01:03:33.132
Because although Steamboats a lot better than a place like Aspen nor Vail in terms of it's, you know, showing off your car or whatever.

01:03:33.822 --> 01:03:37.302
But still, it's kind of a keeping up with the Joneses kind of town these days.

01:03:37.873 --> 01:03:37.963
Mm-hmm.

01:03:38.202 --> 01:03:43.782
Um, how, how would I say this, right?

01:03:44.443 --> 01:03:52.963
Like if I'm the business owner that says, no, I'm doing this because I want the Mercedes, SLR, um, they probably just shouldn't call you.

01:03:53.833 --> 01:03:54.702
No, they can call me.

01:03:54.913 --> 01:03:55.063
Yeah.

01:03:55.068 --> 01:03:55.128
Yeah.

01:03:55.362 --> 01:03:58.543
I mean we, I'm, I'm, yeah, I, I've worked with plenty of people.

01:03:58.543 --> 01:03:58.753
It just

01:03:58.753 --> 01:04:03.583
seems counter-cultural to the, the happy to couch surf three months, kind of.

01:04:03.943 --> 01:04:04.123
Yeah.

01:04:04.123 --> 01:04:09.282
Well, we, we've had our foot, you know, when we were, we worked with people who had multimillion dollar homes and we.

01:04:09.838 --> 01:04:16.047
We also had our foot in the, the local culture of dirt bag climbers and skiers and Yeah.

01:04:16.077 --> 01:04:17.038
But yeah.

01:04:17.128 --> 01:04:23.068
You know, there is, if you value having a new car like that, that's cool.

01:04:23.068 --> 01:04:24.237
There's nothing wrong with that.

01:04:24.657 --> 01:04:28.947
But I think, I think some, I think a lot of stuff is just noise.

01:04:28.952 --> 01:04:29.193
Yeah.

01:04:29.277 --> 01:04:36.597
And the people I like to work with are people that are willing to get rid of the noise and focus on the signal.

01:04:36.597 --> 01:04:36.657
Yeah.

01:04:37.108 --> 01:04:37.288
Like,

01:04:37.467 --> 01:04:38.938
what do you really want?

01:04:38.967 --> 01:04:41.307
Let's strip everything away and let's just go for it.

01:04:41.398 --> 01:04:41.757
Yeah.

01:04:41.847 --> 01:04:45.552
And most people I work with, when we strip it away, they, they really don't care about signal.

01:04:45.552 --> 01:04:46.617
They don't really want an SLR.

01:04:46.677 --> 01:04:46.918
Yeah.

01:04:46.918 --> 01:04:48.297
They, they wanna make an impact.

01:04:48.342 --> 01:04:48.632
Yeah.

01:04:48.693 --> 01:04:49.032
You know?

01:04:49.197 --> 01:04:49.467
Yeah.

01:04:49.467 --> 01:04:49.858
Whatever.

01:04:49.858 --> 01:04:53.427
That's in medicine or in support.

01:04:53.427 --> 01:04:53.487
Yeah.

01:04:53.518 --> 01:04:57.057
Medicine or just supporting the community or maybe it's, or, or business, whatever.

01:04:57.057 --> 01:04:57.353
Or business.

01:04:57.358 --> 01:05:04.018
Maybe their business, um, supports the community or, you know, maybe just through their business they want to develop leaders.

01:05:04.018 --> 01:05:09.237
Like, I feel like most of the people that I work with have a, have a bigger vision than.

01:05:09.688 --> 01:05:13.557
Just like, yeah, we wanna grow in revenue and we wanna win, and that's all good.

01:05:13.557 --> 01:05:23.277
But I also want to, you know, be a great father or be a great husband, or, you know, travel, like you said, go, go travel with my wife and create these really cool experiences.

01:05:23.307 --> 01:05:23.668
Yeah.

01:05:23.668 --> 01:05:23.677
Yeah.

01:05:23.847 --> 01:05:28.918
Um, so part of it is just stripping away the noise and being like, what, what matters, what really matters?

01:05:28.918 --> 01:05:32.307
And then giving, giving yourself permission to just go all in.

01:05:32.487 --> 01:05:32.697
Yeah.

01:05:33.208 --> 01:05:33.568
I dig it.

01:05:34.077 --> 01:05:37.878
Um, I feel like we should hit the ping pong ball challenge let's do it.

01:05:37.967 --> 01:05:38.358
All right.

01:05:40.728 --> 01:05:44.748
So you are gonna pull three balls out of this jar.

01:05:44.748 --> 01:05:45.947
I can pass the whole jar to you.

01:05:45.947 --> 01:05:46.007
Do

01:05:46.068 --> 01:05:47.148
one at a time or all three.

01:05:47.237 --> 01:05:50.568
Uh, just grab all three and we'll ask you the questions.

01:05:50.628 --> 01:05:50.987
All right.

01:05:51.197 --> 01:05:51.887
As we go.

01:05:54.018 --> 01:05:56.327
You can go in any order you wish I got number 12.

01:05:56.418 --> 01:05:57.137
Totally random.

01:05:58.248 --> 01:05:58.518
Okay.

01:05:58.518 --> 01:05:59.628
Let's just start with that one.

01:06:00.467 --> 01:06:04.188
What's the best piece of advice you've ever received about business?

01:06:04.608 --> 01:06:04.788
The

01:06:04.788 --> 01:06:08.208
best, best piece of advice that you've received?

01:06:08.717 --> 01:06:10.577
Um, back back to my mentor.

01:06:10.577 --> 01:06:13.427
That was the raf the, the owner of the business.

01:06:13.427 --> 01:06:13.547
Yeah.

01:06:13.608 --> 01:06:17.358
Just, just start and then iterate on starting.

01:06:17.447 --> 01:06:18.887
It's like, just get in the arena.

01:06:18.978 --> 01:06:19.038
Yeah.

01:06:19.038 --> 01:06:21.708
Don't sit on the bleachers and think too hard about it.

01:06:21.797 --> 01:06:22.068
Yeah.

01:06:22.188 --> 01:06:25.818
Um, so just, just go for it, I think is the best piece I've got.

01:06:26.027 --> 01:06:26.327
Alright.

01:06:26.717 --> 01:06:27.077
I dig it.

01:06:27.887 --> 01:06:28.547
Uh, next, number

01:06:28.547 --> 01:06:29.057
16.

01:06:31.157 --> 01:06:37.878
Who's had the, this is the same question just about who has had the most, well, maybe not, who's had the most significant influence on your life?

01:06:38.327 --> 01:06:38.777
Oh, sign.

01:06:40.097 --> 01:06:43.938
Um, the right answer is your wife.

01:06:45.273 --> 01:06:46.327
Probably, maybe not.

01:06:46.728 --> 01:06:46.748
Maybe grandma.

01:06:47.643 --> 01:06:47.972
No.

01:06:47.972 --> 01:06:49.023
Well, no, honestly.

01:06:50.132 --> 01:06:50.552
Yes.

01:06:50.552 --> 01:06:58.052
Yes, my wife, because she, she did take a chance on me, a, a dirt bag raft guide, a chance on me, um, my parents for sure.

01:06:58.112 --> 01:07:00.452
Um, I'm a man of faith, so, so God.

01:07:00.902 --> 01:07:08.373
Um, and, and yeah, Allen, my, my mentor in the rafting company, he had a, he had a super big impact as well.

01:07:09.032 --> 01:07:11.612
Do you wanna talk about the, the faith background a little bit?

01:07:12.362 --> 01:07:12.842
Yeah.

01:07:12.842 --> 01:07:13.532
I mean,

01:07:13.742 --> 01:07:17.402
um, you were in Hastings, so like, what is that?

01:07:17.402 --> 01:07:19.382
Is that Catholic country?

01:07:19.413 --> 01:07:19.472
Yeah.

01:07:19.472 --> 01:07:20.523
Is that, yeah, I

01:07:20.523 --> 01:07:28.893
grew up going to a Catholic church, but honestly I, from, from high school until the last two years, um, yeah, God was in the background, but I.

01:07:29.447 --> 01:07:34.907
I wasn't really, you know, I had no desire to really like, go to any type of organized religion.

01:07:34.907 --> 01:07:35.148
Yeah.

01:07:35.208 --> 01:07:35.688
But just

01:07:35.693 --> 01:07:37.697
you didn't deny God, you just didn't really go to church?

01:07:37.697 --> 01:07:38.688
Didn't deny I didn't talk to him much.

01:07:39.123 --> 01:07:39.407
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:39.467 --> 01:07:41.387
Um, didn't really care what he had to say.

01:07:41.447 --> 01:07:45.498
Um, but just through, through the path of entrepreneurship, like, it, it can be hard.

01:07:45.588 --> 01:07:49.163
It can be like, man, I've, I've got three kids to feed.

01:07:49.163 --> 01:07:49.523
Mm-hmm.

01:07:49.603 --> 01:07:50.418
Like, what am I doing?

01:07:50.418 --> 01:07:53.208
You know, there can be just sometimes just like

01:07:53.268 --> 01:07:55.998
you weren't instantly overwhelmed with clients.

01:07:56.057 --> 01:07:56.268
Yeah.

01:07:56.268 --> 01:07:59.927
I just wasn't magically, you know, seven figure coach.

01:07:59.932 --> 01:08:00.347
Right, right.

01:08:00.378 --> 01:08:03.228
Um, there's a lot of promises of that, a lot of programs that promise that.

01:08:03.768 --> 01:08:12.407
But, um, yeah, it's hard, you know, and for just me and my wife's relationship there, there had to be something, something bigger.

01:08:12.407 --> 01:08:18.377
And just through, through getting silent and meditation, I, I started hearing God and just like trust me.

01:08:18.917 --> 01:08:22.097
Like you don't necessarily have to make the perfect decision.

01:08:22.097 --> 01:08:26.328
Like you can just walk along the path and do your best and.

01:08:26.733 --> 01:08:29.372
The next step will manifest itself in a way.

01:08:29.733 --> 01:08:34.533
Just do your best, uh, be in integrity, truly care about people.

01:08:34.797 --> 01:08:39.302
And, and for me, usually the path presents itself when I can stay connected to that.

01:08:39.363 --> 01:08:39.693
Okay.

01:08:40.262 --> 01:08:42.842
So you haven't re-engaged in a community of faith?

01:08:42.872 --> 01:08:43.113
Yeah.

01:08:43.113 --> 01:08:43.323
Yeah.

01:08:43.323 --> 01:08:44.313
We, we, no, you, we

01:08:44.313 --> 01:08:46.113
go to a local church here, two Rivers,

01:08:46.118 --> 01:08:46.773
but not Catholic.

01:08:46.773 --> 01:08:47.042
Oh.

01:08:47.222 --> 01:08:48.092
Two Rivers not Catholic.

01:08:48.092 --> 01:08:50.552
But, uh, you know, I know so many people go to that church Yeah.

01:08:50.613 --> 01:08:51.063
These days.

01:08:51.063 --> 01:08:51.122
Yeah.

01:08:51.122 --> 01:08:52.412
It's been interesting gathering.

01:08:52.712 --> 01:08:53.073
Yeah.

01:08:53.073 --> 01:08:54.932
I don't, I haven't never been there, obviously, but

01:08:55.143 --> 01:08:56.042
yeah, I've met a lot.

01:08:56.042 --> 01:08:58.172
We've been going there for not quite, yeah.

01:08:58.172 --> 01:08:59.222
Probably a year and a half.

01:08:59.222 --> 01:09:00.993
And yeah, I've met some really cool people.

01:09:01.443 --> 01:09:11.073
Um, although, yeah, I, I do find a lot of beauty in, in the Catholic church of probably things that I just went through the motions growing up and didn't really know the depth of Yeah.

01:09:11.252 --> 01:09:14.042
What, what the words meant and what some of the rituals were.

01:09:14.042 --> 01:09:17.582
But now reengaging with it a little bit in scripture.

01:09:17.672 --> 01:09:19.893
I'm, I'm getting some of the depth that I missed as a

01:09:20.252 --> 01:09:20.703
Yeah.

01:09:20.762 --> 01:09:21.512
Younger person.

01:09:21.752 --> 01:09:23.762
Well, and some of those Bible churches really.

01:09:24.453 --> 01:09:25.533
You know, that's what they focus on.

01:09:25.802 --> 01:09:26.073
Yeah.

01:09:26.103 --> 01:09:26.313
Right.

01:09:26.313 --> 01:09:31.082
Is understanding the Bible, whereas the Catholic church is a little bit more about the lessons.

01:09:31.203 --> 01:09:31.292
Mm-hmm.

01:09:31.533 --> 01:09:33.932
And not as much about like where it's at.

01:09:33.932 --> 01:09:34.502
Who said it?

01:09:34.502 --> 01:09:35.313
The context.

01:09:35.432 --> 01:09:35.672
Yeah.

01:09:35.672 --> 01:09:44.222
A lot of, a lot of prayer and a lot of, um, yeah, A lot of like deep, deep rituals and I guess sacraments.

01:09:44.523 --> 01:09:45.033
Um, yeah.

01:09:45.033 --> 01:09:45.273
Yeah.

01:09:45.542 --> 01:09:47.132
So there, there's some beauty in that too.

01:09:47.283 --> 01:09:49.953
Well, and Sarah's from a Catholic tradition of course.

01:09:49.983 --> 01:09:50.073
Mm-hmm.

01:09:50.313 --> 01:09:53.552
And so she came to church with us this yesterday.

01:09:54.273 --> 01:09:57.243
Uh, and it was the first time she'd ever been, you know, to a church.

01:09:57.243 --> 01:09:57.828
Not Catholic.

01:09:57.828 --> 01:09:58.502
Not Catholic.

01:09:58.802 --> 01:09:59.432
Yeah.

01:09:59.432 --> 01:10:02.972
And uh, and I'm kind of curious'cause we're just down the street from St.

01:10:02.972 --> 01:10:03.273
Joe.

01:10:04.188 --> 01:10:09.108
And I'm like, well, let's take Sarah to church at the Catholic church and I assume we can go, right?

01:10:09.108 --> 01:10:09.167
Yeah.

01:10:09.257 --> 01:10:14.478
Uh, and let her like, let,'cause I haven't been to a Catholic church service in years.

01:10:14.478 --> 01:10:21.768
I, I think I went once or twice way back in the day with friends when,'cause I grew up in the place where like Lutherans and Catholic kind of equally balanced.

01:10:21.887 --> 01:10:23.507
Yeah, I Maybe that's Hastings too.

01:10:23.507 --> 01:10:23.988
I don't know.

01:10:24.078 --> 01:10:24.887
Yeah, I'd say so.

01:10:24.948 --> 01:10:25.368
Yeah.

01:10:25.637 --> 01:10:30.347
Um, and is there others, is there any other, or Methodists here and there kind of thing or whatever?

01:10:31.097 --> 01:10:31.278
Yeah, some Methodist Luther

01:10:31.563 --> 01:10:32.403
Catholic, some Methodist.

01:10:32.478 --> 01:10:33.108
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:33.108 --> 01:10:33.948
A Presbyterian.

01:10:34.037 --> 01:10:34.488
Yeah.

01:10:34.488 --> 01:10:34.497
Yeah.

01:10:35.148 --> 01:10:37.608
Hardly any like independent churches like Fort Collins.

01:10:37.608 --> 01:10:38.207
There must be,

01:10:38.417 --> 01:10:39.228
I think there's a lot here.

01:10:39.233 --> 01:10:40.307
College I about half.

01:10:40.427 --> 01:10:40.698
Yeah.

01:10:40.757 --> 01:10:45.287
Of the active church members are like independent and non, non-affiliated

01:10:45.287 --> 01:10:45.887
almost.

01:10:45.978 --> 01:10:52.217
You know, the first time going to two Rivers, like there's coffee and it's loud and like you used to like growing up, it's like a Catholic church.

01:10:52.217 --> 01:10:52.818
Very quiet.

01:10:52.818 --> 01:10:54.797
You know, you do put your hand in the holy one, dude, you're gonna

01:10:54.797 --> 01:10:56.478
take the coffee right into the pews

01:10:56.478 --> 01:10:56.898
of you.

01:10:56.903 --> 01:10:57.363
Whoa dude.

01:10:58.368 --> 01:10:58.398
Are.

01:11:00.573 --> 01:11:01.023
Interesting.

01:11:01.262 --> 01:11:02.462
Um, the third question,

01:11:02.462 --> 01:11:02.853
please.

01:11:02.882 --> 01:11:03.393
Eight 18.

01:11:04.262 --> 01:11:05.132
18.

01:11:07.082 --> 01:11:11.073
If you had to pick a smell to describe your personality, what would it be?

01:11:12.393 --> 01:11:13.412
Oh, probably Sagey.

01:11:13.712 --> 01:11:14.342
Sagey.

01:11:14.347 --> 01:11:14.438
Yeah.

01:11:14.703 --> 01:11:15.182
Interesting.

01:11:15.182 --> 01:11:17.132
Let's, uh, expand on that a little bit.

01:11:17.613 --> 01:11:21.122
Um, is that like, it's, well say I think of a little bit, but like patchouli,

01:11:21.302 --> 01:11:21.597
I'm just kidding.

01:11:21.747 --> 01:11:22.037
Yeah.

01:11:22.037 --> 01:11:22.837
Patchoulis too much.

01:11:23.337 --> 01:11:24.453
I'm not about to a hippie.

01:11:25.052 --> 01:11:25.412
Um, but

01:11:25.412 --> 01:11:26.462
it's a little bit earthy.

01:11:26.462 --> 01:11:27.243
It's a little bit

01:11:27.573 --> 01:11:29.733
willing to sleep outdoors if I have to.

01:11:29.823 --> 01:11:30.182
Yeah.

01:11:30.243 --> 01:11:31.323
Like I can rough it.

01:11:31.347 --> 01:11:31.637
Yeah.

01:11:31.643 --> 01:11:31.983
Yeah.

01:11:31.983 --> 01:11:34.832
Um, but also, you know, sage smells good too.

01:11:34.832 --> 01:11:35.132
So

01:11:35.672 --> 01:11:40.262
when you guys get out in the outdoors now, what, uh, how do you go about it?

01:11:40.353 --> 01:11:41.432
Are you tenting?

01:11:41.912 --> 01:11:42.212
Yeah.

01:11:42.273 --> 01:11:43.082
Yeah, we have the tent.

01:11:43.082 --> 01:11:49.262
We, we actually had a camper, um, but it was, it was kind of a pain in the butt just to store and hook up and get ready.

01:11:49.262 --> 01:11:52.203
So, you know, usually I just take the kids and.

01:11:52.802 --> 01:11:54.122
Pull out, get out the tent.

01:11:54.122 --> 01:11:54.363
And

01:11:54.422 --> 01:11:56.073
does Annie come too, or is that Dad?

01:11:56.222 --> 01:11:57.182
Dad and kids time?

01:11:57.243 --> 01:11:57.662
Last

01:11:57.662 --> 01:12:03.243
year it was dad and kids, because our youngest, Hannah was six months old or four months old, so.

01:12:03.243 --> 01:12:03.483
Okay.

01:12:03.632 --> 01:12:06.422
Um, so that was usually dad and the twins.

01:12:06.483 --> 01:12:06.722
Right.

01:12:06.722 --> 01:12:09.872
But, uh, yeah, Annie, Annie will sleep in a tent for sure.

01:12:09.903 --> 01:12:12.962
Let's talk about the twins a little bit, if we may.

01:12:13.023 --> 01:12:13.292
Yeah.

01:12:13.682 --> 01:12:15.783
Um, is it, is it boys?

01:12:16.082 --> 01:12:16.863
Uh, boy and girl.

01:12:16.893 --> 01:12:17.552
Boy and girl, yeah.

01:12:17.552 --> 01:12:19.113
So fraternal twins, obviously.

01:12:19.172 --> 01:12:20.853
Yeah, fraternal, unexpected.

01:12:20.882 --> 01:12:22.382
Um, Annie was pregnant.

01:12:22.382 --> 01:12:28.323
We went to our first appointment and the doctor, he spoke really fast and he just said two sacks.

01:12:28.743 --> 01:12:30.783
Like two sacks, I think that means twins.

01:12:30.783 --> 01:12:32.792
And he's like, I'm, I'm looking for more.

01:12:32.792 --> 01:12:35.462
And we're just like, holy shit, don't fight anyone.

01:12:35.462 --> 01:12:36.752
Like, is this what I think he says?

01:12:36.752 --> 01:12:37.893
And he's like, you're having twins.

01:12:37.893 --> 01:12:39.153
And it was like, oh my gosh.

01:12:39.153 --> 01:12:43.563
It, it honestly is like the, the most exciting thing that's happened to me.

01:12:43.682 --> 01:12:43.983
Yeah.

01:12:44.042 --> 01:12:48.783
Um, that I, I think you asked like, what's, what's the craziest moment of your life?

01:12:48.903 --> 01:12:49.082
Yeah.

01:12:49.082 --> 01:12:50.672
And that, that might've been the craziest moment, the local

01:12:50.672 --> 01:12:51.182
experience.

01:12:51.182 --> 01:12:51.453
That's a

01:12:51.453 --> 01:12:52.292
local experience.

01:12:52.292 --> 01:12:52.353
Yeah.

01:12:52.353 --> 01:12:52.622
Do you wanna

01:12:52.622 --> 01:12:58.773
describe it a little bit more, the setting and what you were up to in the, you were the wrestling coach, I suppose.

01:12:58.832 --> 01:13:05.132
Yeah, I was the wrestling coach, so yeah, they were born in June, so what, what's nine months before that?

01:13:05.372 --> 01:13:06.903
Um, I think it was, yeah, before, yeah, like

01:13:06.903 --> 01:13:07.472
September.

01:13:07.563 --> 01:13:07.863
Yeah.

01:13:07.863 --> 01:13:09.273
So before the started of wrestling.

01:13:09.273 --> 01:13:10.863
But yeah, we were excited.

01:13:10.863 --> 01:13:16.023
Annie was, she knew she was pregnant and we went to the steam belt hospital and.

01:13:16.938 --> 01:13:17.087
Yeah.

01:13:17.087 --> 01:13:25.967
We're just expecting them to confirm and yeah, we walked outta there just like, almost like, uh, that feeling of the night before Christmas, just like, I can't believe this

01:13:26.028 --> 01:13:27.438
was that fall of 2020.

01:13:27.443 --> 01:13:28.037
It was 2020.

01:13:28.037 --> 01:13:28.278
Yeah.

01:13:28.337 --> 01:13:28.818
So, yeah.

01:13:28.818 --> 01:13:29.863
So it was COVID Nation.

01:13:30.203 --> 01:13:31.222
It was COVID Nation.

01:13:31.368 --> 01:13:31.667
Yeah.

01:13:32.118 --> 01:13:33.648
Hell of free time on your hands.

01:13:33.648 --> 01:13:34.278
Uh, yeah.

01:13:35.658 --> 01:13:36.137
Yeah.

01:13:36.137 --> 01:13:36.738
No, totally man.

01:13:37.158 --> 01:13:38.988
Just as has a lot of COVID babies.

01:13:39.377 --> 01:13:39.677
Right.

01:13:39.738 --> 01:13:42.198
Um, but yeah, it's, it's been such a blessing.

01:13:42.198 --> 01:13:49.637
Like the two of'em, just what I've learned as a parent, and people always ask like, how do you do it?

01:13:49.637 --> 01:13:51.318
And it's like, well, I didn't really have an option.

01:13:51.318 --> 01:13:52.578
I couldn't even sell one of'em.

01:13:53.478 --> 01:13:55.938
But I, it, it, it is such a awesome, I feel,

01:13:55.967 --> 01:13:57.228
how are they together?

01:13:57.228 --> 01:13:58.518
Like, are they're buddies?

01:13:58.518 --> 01:13:59.028
Buddies, best buddies?

01:13:59.033 --> 01:13:59.143
Buddies?

01:13:59.148 --> 01:13:59.177
Yeah.

01:13:59.238 --> 01:14:07.398
The sister Esme, um, she's, since she was a little baby, um, her aunt and grandmother called her lit picky.

01:14:07.398 --> 01:14:09.738
New, that means like hot pepper and tie.

01:14:09.948 --> 01:14:10.427
Okay.

01:14:10.427 --> 01:14:11.268
She's, she's a little spicy.

01:14:11.268 --> 01:14:12.108
She's a firecracker.

01:14:12.722 --> 01:14:16.443
Uh, my son, his name is Pax, that means peace and he's definitely like a peaceful boy.

01:14:16.622 --> 01:14:16.983
Oh.

01:14:17.073 --> 01:14:18.273
Um, but they're, they're friends.

01:14:18.273 --> 01:14:21.212
The sister probably dominates their relationship a little bit.

01:14:21.693 --> 01:14:25.262
Um, and then we have a young daughter, Hannah, she's 18 months.

01:14:25.262 --> 01:14:25.682
So, which is

01:14:25.682 --> 01:14:27.182
where you guys were in your Hawaii?

01:14:27.182 --> 01:14:27.332
Yeah.

01:14:27.332 --> 01:14:27.632
There was a

01:14:27.632 --> 01:14:31.502
little ode to, um, yeah, owed to the road to Hana with her.

01:14:31.533 --> 01:14:37.893
You got Jill and I, uh, did the road to Hana in a, uh, rental Austin Martin.

01:14:38.643 --> 01:14:38.943
Oh, did you really?

01:14:38.943 --> 01:14:39.207
A fiat.

01:14:39.467 --> 01:14:41.768
So, uh, it was a fiat whatever the Yeah.

01:14:41.773 --> 01:14:43.472
The fiat spider is or something.

01:14:43.472 --> 01:14:46.052
It's basically a Mazda Miata, but with a little different power plant.

01:14:46.172 --> 01:14:46.412
Yeah.

01:14:46.443 --> 01:14:47.353
So you did, you did that.

01:14:47.353 --> 01:14:49.443
We did the all the way, but we had to turn around and come back.

01:14:49.472 --> 01:14:52.712
'cause the road was still under construction on the north side or whatever.

01:14:52.712 --> 01:14:53.613
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:53.672 --> 01:14:55.353
So, but, uh, yeah, I loved that area,

01:14:55.533 --> 01:15:00.363
so it, it was a ode to our, our kind of road to Hana in the, the last couple years of our life.

01:15:00.453 --> 01:15:00.932
Yeah.

01:15:01.113 --> 01:15:01.563
Really cool.

01:15:02.073 --> 01:15:02.733
Um.

01:15:03.978 --> 01:15:04.578
What else?

01:15:04.608 --> 01:15:08.957
We, we kind of jumped right into the loco experience from the ping pong ball challenge.

01:15:09.198 --> 01:15:09.528
Yeah.

01:15:09.618 --> 01:15:11.268
Uh, anything else that you wanted to talk about?

01:15:11.268 --> 01:15:12.917
Oh, current events?

01:15:12.917 --> 01:15:13.818
Should we do current events?

01:15:13.847 --> 01:15:14.207
Let's do it.

01:15:57.903 --> 01:16:06.302
Um, Donald Trump sent the National Guard into DC and said, we're gonna take control of the police force there.

01:16:06.302 --> 01:16:06.393
Oh, wow.

01:16:06.453 --> 01:16:07.682
And plane the city up today.

01:16:08.552 --> 01:16:10.143
Uh, how do you feel about that?

01:16:10.922 --> 01:16:11.943
I didn't know about that.

01:16:11.943 --> 01:16:14.703
So Donald Trump sent, like federal,

01:16:15.033 --> 01:16:17.882
basically had the federal is federal.

01:16:18.302 --> 01:16:27.842
Somebody is gonna take charge of the Washington DC Police Department and they're gonna send a National Guard to support and get rid of the crime.

01:16:27.842 --> 01:16:31.262
And he invited the homeless people to move out of dc.

01:16:31.592 --> 01:16:36.962
Yeah, I mean, I guess what comes to mind is that, um, there's a quote by Thorell.

01:16:36.962 --> 01:16:40.472
For every hacking of the leave, there's one striking of the root of evil.

01:16:40.983 --> 01:16:46.533
So it sounds like if you really, you know, you're just hacking at the leaves if you think that's gonna solve the homelessness crisis, right?

01:16:46.563 --> 01:16:46.893
Like

01:16:47.342 --> 01:16:47.493
Yeah.

01:16:47.523 --> 01:16:50.403
Um, what does it say The hacking of the leaves?

01:16:50.408 --> 01:16:50.823
For, for, for

01:16:50.823 --> 01:16:52.953
every, for every hacking of the leaves.

01:16:52.953 --> 01:16:55.983
There's one, one striking of the root of evil.

01:16:56.252 --> 01:17:00.063
So it's like, you know, it just sounds like, yeah, you're hacking at the leaves.

01:17:00.063 --> 01:17:02.823
You're not really getting to the root of why are people homeless, right?

01:17:02.823 --> 01:17:03.042
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:03.042 --> 01:17:03.068
Yeah.

01:17:03.212 --> 01:17:15.243
And I think even in Northern Colorado, like there's, you know, there there's ways we can go about like helping people, getting them in housing, um, supporting them.

01:17:15.243 --> 01:17:18.993
And I, I think there, to me it brings up like, how do we really solve all this crisis?

01:17:18.993 --> 01:17:20.493
Well, it's mostly a mental illness Yeah.

01:17:20.882 --> 01:17:22.023
Crisis, honestly.

01:17:22.023 --> 01:17:22.922
So drug

01:17:22.922 --> 01:17:24.363
addiction and mental illness crisis.

01:17:24.393 --> 01:17:24.693
Yeah.

01:17:24.722 --> 01:17:26.132
Not, not to get into politics.

01:17:26.132 --> 01:17:28.863
I think it's, uh, yeah, probably a lot of noise.

01:17:28.893 --> 01:17:30.002
More of a

01:17:30.783 --> 01:17:31.622
part of the theater.

01:17:31.682 --> 01:17:31.953
Yeah.

01:17:31.953 --> 01:17:32.972
Part part of theater.

01:17:33.332 --> 01:17:34.118
That's if,

01:17:34.233 --> 01:17:38.792
if there was, if there was actually, uh, some.

01:17:39.932 --> 01:17:48.453
Some good things that were happening to actually, um, you know, help some of these, some of these people and get to, to the root of what's causing the homelessness.

01:17:48.453 --> 01:17:49.023
That would be cool.

01:17:49.023 --> 01:17:49.592
But Yeah.

01:17:49.592 --> 01:17:49.603
Yeah.

01:17:49.622 --> 01:17:51.243
Brute force isn't gonna solve anything.

01:17:51.243 --> 01:17:51.332
Well,

01:17:51.337 --> 01:17:51.637
agreed.

01:17:51.813 --> 01:17:52.172
Agreed.

01:17:52.412 --> 01:17:59.042
And it's a fascinating, I was talking with Ben about it earlier, it's like it's got the highest media income of any place in the country.

01:17:59.103 --> 01:17:59.462
Yeah.

01:18:00.092 --> 01:18:07.323
And it's starkly divided between people that make 400,000 or more and people that make less than 50.

01:18:07.472 --> 01:18:07.592
Mm-hmm.

01:18:08.103 --> 01:18:12.092
And there's just, you know, a very tiny minority otherwise.

01:18:12.153 --> 01:18:12.393
Yeah.

01:18:12.393 --> 01:18:16.832
And, and, and of those people that make a bunch of money, it's all because they're attached to the government nipple in some fashion.

01:18:17.283 --> 01:18:17.493
Yeah.

01:18:17.823 --> 01:18:21.722
And, um, you know, obvious like what, 87%.

01:18:22.143 --> 01:18:24.363
Democratic voters and things like that.

01:18:24.662 --> 01:18:26.703
How about, uh, should DC be a state?

01:18:27.422 --> 01:18:28.023
Oh, man.

01:18:28.113 --> 01:18:28.502
Um,

01:18:29.283 --> 01:18:30.363
get you into trouble here.

01:18:30.363 --> 01:18:30.453
Should

01:18:30.453 --> 01:18:32.493
DC It seems like it should be, right?

01:18:32.643 --> 01:18:33.002
I don't know.

01:18:33.002 --> 01:18:38.042
There's a, people trying to make that case, but of course there are democrats'cause they vote 87% Democrat.

01:18:38.252 --> 01:18:38.582
Yeah.

01:18:38.643 --> 01:18:42.898
Um, part of DC was seated back to Maryland years ago.

01:18:42.957 --> 01:18:43.377
Mm-hmm.

01:18:43.653 --> 01:18:51.212
And so I read a logical thought that said, let's just have the White House and the Capitol and about, that's about it.

01:18:51.212 --> 01:18:53.552
Be Washington DC mm-hmm.

01:18:53.554 --> 01:18:55.292
And we can do all the important stuff there.

01:18:55.802 --> 01:18:58.743
And then the rest of it can go back to Virginia and those people can vote in Virginia.

01:18:58.953 --> 01:18:59.222
Yeah.

01:18:59.222 --> 01:19:01.262
That kind of sounds like the Vatican a little bit, right?

01:19:01.323 --> 01:19:01.712
Well,

01:19:02.073 --> 01:19:02.823
exactly.

01:19:02.823 --> 01:19:02.912
Yeah.

01:19:02.912 --> 01:19:06.573
If you make it its own kind of state, is it then a city state?

01:19:06.573 --> 01:19:12.033
Yeah, that's, that's what I wondered online about a little bit is like separateness.

01:19:12.063 --> 01:19:12.212
Yeah.

01:19:12.212 --> 01:19:16.257
Is it valid or is that just being, it's a high hill, you know, I, I

01:19:16.257 --> 01:19:16.457
think.

01:19:17.882 --> 01:19:30.813
I mean, this might get philosophical, but I, I think, I think everybody, despite their political leanings, um, Democrats, Republican, in between libertarian, like we can all have a little bit more compassion.

01:19:30.903 --> 01:19:31.233
Yeah.

01:19:31.382 --> 01:19:33.422
And, um, there, there's, well

01:19:33.422 --> 01:19:36.393
hopefully we want all want for the better, but of Yeah.

01:19:36.603 --> 01:19:36.993
Yeah.

01:19:37.082 --> 01:19:43.592
And, and certainly communities will be better if, if people can not be living on the street.

01:19:44.193 --> 01:19:44.462
Right.

01:19:44.523 --> 01:19:45.512
I think that's,

01:19:45.603 --> 01:19:46.533
unless it's elective.

01:19:46.563 --> 01:19:46.922
Yeah.

01:19:46.983 --> 01:19:48.693
As in many months, if you, and, and I think

01:19:48.693 --> 01:19:52.922
the discouraging thing is, like you said, there's a lot of money in DC Yeah.

01:19:53.073 --> 01:19:55.563
Like billions and billions of dollars.

01:19:55.893 --> 01:20:02.313
And if some of that was shifted to solving some of these problems, I feel like we, we could, you know.

01:20:02.523 --> 01:20:03.273
Well, yes.

01:20:03.273 --> 01:20:10.052
And like there's a lot of six figure income earners like solving homelessness in la.

01:20:10.172 --> 01:20:10.323
Mm-hmm.

01:20:10.832 --> 01:20:11.073
Yeah.

01:20:11.132 --> 01:20:15.002
And there have been over the last 10 years, an increasing number every year probably.

01:20:15.153 --> 01:20:15.453
Yeah.

01:20:15.528 --> 01:20:19.908
And they like, their, their jobs almost rely on not solving homelessness.

01:20:19.908 --> 01:20:21.467
So why the hell would they solve homelessness?

01:20:21.738 --> 01:20:22.037
Yeah.

01:20:22.037 --> 01:20:24.828
No, there, there's, there's a lot of corruption in it too, right?

01:20:25.158 --> 01:20:25.427
Yeah.

01:20:25.427 --> 01:20:27.887
Anyway, um, do you have any questions for me?

01:20:27.893 --> 01:20:28.757
There's a, there's a lot of hacking here.

01:20:28.757 --> 01:20:30.167
How do you like your sunglasses, by the way?

01:20:30.318 --> 01:20:35.387
Ah, I'm gonna wear'em, uh, here on the way home, you know, hopefully have'em forever.

01:20:35.597 --> 01:20:36.167
I hope so.

01:20:36.228 --> 01:20:39.047
They're, I mean, they're not super expensive, so be really careful.

01:20:39.047 --> 01:20:41.778
Don't put'em in your pocket with your keys if you're gonna try to keep'em forever.

01:20:41.927 --> 01:20:42.528
No, no.

01:20:42.528 --> 01:20:44.207
Thanks for, thanks for having me on, man.

01:20:44.207 --> 01:20:46.578
And I know, um, it talked about bringing a gift.

01:20:46.578 --> 01:20:54.738
I didn't bring a gift, but, um, if, if anybody wants to have a, a call it a adventure VIP coaching day, I'm happy to offer that too.

01:20:54.858 --> 01:20:55.127
Okay.

01:20:55.127 --> 01:20:55.337
Whoever

01:20:55.337 --> 01:20:57.438
wants to have it, we can get outside.

01:20:57.438 --> 01:21:00.047
We can either jump in the river, we can go for a hike.

01:21:00.318 --> 01:21:03.557
Um, if you have a business, we can do a really deep dive into strategy.

01:21:04.037 --> 01:21:07.097
Um, so I'm, I'm happy to offer that too, to your listeners.

01:21:07.097 --> 01:21:07.457
All right.

01:21:07.462 --> 01:21:07.853
I dig it.

01:21:08.028 --> 01:21:08.328
Yeah.

01:21:08.597 --> 01:21:09.228
Appreciate your time.

01:21:09.318 --> 01:21:09.887
Thank you, man.

01:21:09.887 --> 01:21:10.457
I appreciate you.

01:21:10.457 --> 01:21:10.877
Crowd speed.