EXPERIENCE 228 | Start-Up Practice to Over 100 Employees in 4 years! - Julien Faure, Founder and Owner of Momentum Counseling and Consulting

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in this episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I spoke with Julian Farr, the founder and owner of Momentum Counseling and Consulting Julian as a member of LO Code Think Tank's Next Level three chapter, and has grown this company significantly from startup solo practice in 2021 to over 100 employees at 13 offices in a few short years.

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One of the topics we discussed was the challenge of constantly hiring and training and the high rate of burnout in the mental health industry.

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Julian shared the significance of building a supervisory internship model at Momentum to train new therapists, and he emphasized the role of community in mental health and how the decline in organized religion and service clubs may be impacting people's psychological wellbeing.

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Isolation is our enemy.

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Julian's life and business journey is inspiring.

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He moved from France to Florida for college, overcame language barriers during his first few years and attended law school and practiced law for several years before finding his calling and counseling.

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We reflected on the factors leading to the immense growth of momentum counseling and the risks and rewards of growing in enterprise versus operating a practice.

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Finally, Julian shared his perspective on emerging trends in mental health, including the acceptance and benefits of telehealth and the potential benefits of chemically assisted trauma therapy.

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He's an inspiring and still early stage journey with lots of great insights into mental health and wellbeing.

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So please enjoy as I did my conversation with Julian Farr.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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I'm here today with Julian Farr, far Yes.

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Founder and owner of Momentum Counseling and Consulting.

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And please say it with like the proper French Ro Farr.

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Close enough.

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Well, welcome Julian.

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Thanks for being here today.

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Thank you for having me.

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Um, so you are a member of one of our Loko think Tank, uh, next level chapters?

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Yes.

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And, uh, for six months or so?

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Yeah, I think October, November.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Maybe even, yeah, a little longer than that Now.

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A little longer.

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And, uh, and in part because you were, you know, when I, when you found us, you had kind of a tiger by the tail.

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You'd already grown to like.

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70 employees in less than three years.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was right about right after the three anniversary.

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Mm.

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And and what's your, what's your count now?

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About a hundred.

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Okay.

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A little over a hundred.

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A little over a hundred.

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Yeah.

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How do you find enough people to keep growing at that pace and how do you find enough customers, um, to need all those people?

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Um.

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I, I think it's nonstop.

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Yeah.

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We are constantly hiring.

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Um, I think that there's a shortage in mental health right now.

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Hmm.

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Um, not enough therapists.

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A lot of therapists have left the industry in Colorado for other pastors, like even being a coach instead, because there's a big regulatory mm-hmm.

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Oversight kind of challenge is, what I understand is that you find that true.

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That part.

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I don't know.

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Okay.

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But I know that there's a higher rate of burnout.

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Mm.

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I've read that somewhere.

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Sure.

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Kind of like social workers or something.

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They take on the problems of the world and then they, they're only in the field for five or seven years, and so you're constantly having to train new people.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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I don't remember exactly what the.

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The average length of time that someone stood in a, in, in a counselor role, but I thought it was surprisingly low.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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Um, so you're always hiring.

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Yeah, always training.

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Yeah.

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And I remember that your model is in part kind of a, a supervisory kind of internship.

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Oh, a hundred percent focus.

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Yeah.

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Wanna talk to me about that?

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Did you start there or was that like how, how you've been able to keep growing?

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I.

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Did not start there, but I started bringing on interns very quickly.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, some interns reached out to me and I didn't know that, um, interns could work in private practices.

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Um, but yeah, after, after learning a little bit more about it, um.

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I decided that momentum was gonna become, um, a training institute.

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Training center.

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Okay.

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Um, feels good to train the new generation and, um, interns really do as good of a job as more.

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Season therapy is, is that right?

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Yeah, because they're not all burnt out and stuff.

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I don't know about that.

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But because they, they receive, um, a lot of supervision coming from their school, a lot coming from us.

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Um, we, I.

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Really our de um, one of our big values is that, that continuing education, um, for all of our therapies, not just the interns education, but everybody keeps getting, getting smarter all the time.

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Exactly.

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Well, we provide certifications.

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We our supervisors or.

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Very dedicated to, to the growth of their, their supervisees.

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They, they are supervisors only.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, so that's, oh, so they don't see clients at all?

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, I see.

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Not anymore.

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So we've switched completely the way we approach, um, the, the supervision of our newer, um, newer therapist.

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Um.

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And that, that became one of my values early on.

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That's how I'm modified or that's the path I went down as, um, I.

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As I was building momentum.

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Yeah.

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It came to both building momentum and building momentum.

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Exactly.

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What, uh, has all this growth been organic?

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Like you Yes.

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Leased an office and hired some people.

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Mm-hmm.

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And leased another office and hired some people.

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Yep.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I started by myself.

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Okay.

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No intention.

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Um, to, to go out, on, to, to create a private practice.

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Okay.

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Um, that was in September, 2021.

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Okay.

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And yeah, I am.

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I left my W2 job.

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Went out on my own.

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Uh, it was very And like rented an office about this size or something like that?

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Exactly, yeah.

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Down, down the street at the Drake office space, uh, the Drake office park, um, I was, no, it was actually a two.

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Um, two office suite.

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Okay.

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With one of my friends.

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And really, I was just petrified about not having enough clients to pay the rent.

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Mm-hmm.

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Was your friend also a counselor?

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Yes.

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So you were both in the same industry, but not partnered together or anything?

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Just No, no, no.

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Share the space.

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Yeah, share.

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Share the cost.

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Right.

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Share the cost.

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And how much was the rent?

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I think it might have been.

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$1,300.

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Okay.

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$1,400 and we're splitting it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And how much did you charge for a session in the beginning?

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I always took insurance.

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Oh, okay.

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So whatever the insurance pays kind of.

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Exactly.

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Okay, I gotcha.

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Exactly.

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Um, so which is about how much?

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A hundred ish on average or something more 150?

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It depends on plans.

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Sure.

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Um.

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I'm just thinking how many, how many clients do you have to see in a month to pay the rent?

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Like maybe 20 or something ish?

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Oh, well, I, I mean, Julian doesn't get paid still, but the rent gets paid.

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Yeah.

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Um, well, I hired my first employee within the first month.

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Oh.

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So even within the first month of rent, I already had someone that was also generating Oh, wow.

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Income.

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And was that just because you saw your schedule like completely booked up?

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Mm-hmm.

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And how did those clients find you?

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Some of my clients, um, were long time clients.

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Oh, followed you from your previous practice or whatever?

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Me and then others just found me and yeah, I got very, very full, very, very quickly.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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Actually momentum did not exist when I Oh, you were just when Ion Julian counseling.

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Exactly.

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That was it.

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That was exactly it.

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I had to find the name of momentum within five days in between the time I hired someone.

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Oh, right.

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And the time when I had to create Interesting.

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A real, a real company.

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So I like the name.

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Yeah, I have in a short amount of time.

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I think I did, I did a fine job.

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Well, it's long.

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I mean, that's what my big criticism, momentum counseling and consulting.

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It doesn't, uh, is your email is, is it?

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Is it Julian At Momentum Counseling and Consulting?

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Momentum?

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CAC.

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Oh, that's great.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We abbreviated Well, hey, um.

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I was not the first one to, to come up with momentum counseling, let's just say that.

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Yes.

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So I did the best I could with, with the amount of time that I had.

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Well, and it's a, it is proven to be a great name for you based on, on that growth.

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So that, that name momentum though, it was, you know, there only early on just for mm-hmm.

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Purpose of hiring that first employee.

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You've basically, you know what, four-ish years?

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A hundred-ish employees.

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Mm-hmm.

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So 25 people a year.

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That's two people a month.

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Oh, yeah.

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Think about it this way.

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On the, yeah, yeah.

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Well, it's 48 months.

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Oh, sorry.

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Yeah.

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So that's, yeah.

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48 total months ish.

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Yeah.

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So you've been hiring two people a month, uh, virtually every month since you started business's.

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Yeah.

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Oh, wow.

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I didn't see it this way.

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See, that's why you need to work in your, uh, figure out who else is gonna start hiring people, especially.

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Oh, yes.

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Keep growing this fast.

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Yeah.

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That was one of our conversation this morning in our next level, next level meeting about, um.

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Making, um, hiring more efficient.

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Yeah.

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And passing the torch to my upper management.

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I mean, I just hired Ben here at Loco, who you met this morning, but I mean, I had.

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15 first interviews and Oh yeah.

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Four or five second interviews along that path, you know, and a whole bunch of discovery checking recommendation.

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Like it's a push, like it sucks.

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That can get, and that's, I do it once every few years.

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I hire one or two people, you know, so it's, it's just training me, just thinking about it.

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Yeah, that can get very, very time consuming.

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So now it's, it's more of an office effort.

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Yeah.

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In between screenings, um, you're kind of the final decider, but you still meet'em all ultimately before you put'em on the team.

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I mean, until, um, until you and Pete told me, told me that eventually, eventually, yeah.

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I need to do otherwise.

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Yeah.

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But it's just a very quick final meeting.

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The, it's impressive.

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The team does heavy lifting.

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Well, you might decide to keep that.

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Honestly.

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Yeah, because when, when.

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When you got somebody on your payroll, you know, and, and you're relying upon them to create a good impression for your clients and stuff.

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Yeah, it's, it's probably worth your 15 minutes.

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So I didn't push back too hard against on, on Pete in that conversation.

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Okay.

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But I was like, I don't know.

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I think if he's down to a 15 minute Yeah.

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Uh, smell test, I think that might be okay.

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Alright, Pete, you listen to that.

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I think we're gonna having a fight over who is doing the final interview.

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Now, if you're, if you're hiring for, I don't know if you're got an office in Colorado Springs or Pueblo or something, but if you're hiring down there is, you're not meeting these people in person.

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It's all Zoom.

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All zoom, yes.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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Even locally.

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More zoom than not probably.

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Oh yeah, only.

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Only Zoom.

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And then how about your staff?

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Are they meeting clients?

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Mostly, not too much.

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Zoom, some zoom.

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In person at the offices.

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What's the mix of, of how, how you deliver the goods in that?

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Yeah.

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Therapist space.

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Um, so first, um, doing therapy online before COVID was, um, I.

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Not taboo, but very fringe.

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Right, right.

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Very, very rarely.

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Yeah.

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Um, therapies were providing therapy over, um, over teleconference, telehealth, and now it has beco, it has done a hundred percent shift.

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It's, um, completely part of, of the expectations of clients.

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It's just valid as a in person.

00:13:06.278 --> 00:13:06.609
Oh yeah.

00:13:06.609 --> 00:13:09.969
I think from an industry's perspective, um, I think for efficacy, yes.

00:13:09.999 --> 00:13:10.269
Yeah.

00:13:10.269 --> 00:13:13.839
It's just as, um, just as effective and.

00:13:14.769 --> 00:13:18.578
It became completely normal for clients, right?

00:13:18.578 --> 00:13:18.668
Yeah.

00:13:18.668 --> 00:13:22.269
We have clients that just wanna do telehealth.

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Um, they have children or their schedule is right, is weird.

00:13:28.208 --> 00:13:32.379
Um, so that's first thing, which I was surprised.

00:13:32.438 --> 00:13:32.678
Yeah.

00:13:32.683 --> 00:13:35.078
And by that, and then second, yeah.

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We, we, we have therapies who only do telehealth.

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Nothing.

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Nothing.

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Nothing else.

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We, we have people out of state.

00:13:45.099 --> 00:13:45.639
Oh, interesting.

00:13:45.818 --> 00:13:46.149
Yeah.

00:13:46.178 --> 00:13:46.568
Okay.

00:13:46.778 --> 00:13:54.788
And, um, I really doubt any of my therapists have an only in-person caseload.

00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:55.298
Oh, okay.

00:13:56.139 --> 00:14:02.109
So maybe 50 50 low over, that's overall mix kind of thing.

00:14:02.259 --> 00:14:02.499
Yeah.

00:14:02.708 --> 00:14:05.048
And do some patients like come in.

00:14:05.423 --> 00:14:08.994
In person some and then, Hey, next month I'm gonna be doing this.

00:14:08.994 --> 00:14:10.494
I want to do a Zoom instead.

00:14:10.494 --> 00:14:10.673
Oh yeah.

00:14:10.734 --> 00:14:13.344
And when you say telehealth, is it a zoom type thing?

00:14:13.403 --> 00:14:13.553
Yeah.

00:14:13.583 --> 00:14:14.874
It's not just a phone call, right?

00:14:14.903 --> 00:14:15.533
No, no, no.

00:14:15.533 --> 00:14:20.214
It feels important to like look into my eyes at least and stuff if you're gonna lie to me or whatever.

00:14:21.833 --> 00:14:22.673
Exactly.

00:14:22.764 --> 00:14:29.394
Um, um, yeah, so we we're very flexible if.

00:14:30.474 --> 00:14:36.114
I don't know someone, yeah, comms always in person, but they are sick, but Right.

00:14:36.119 --> 00:14:38.423
But they want to keep their appointment, but they still wanna keep their appointment.

00:14:38.423 --> 00:14:38.724
Yeah.

00:14:38.754 --> 00:14:39.234
Yeah.

00:14:39.833 --> 00:14:41.663
Uh, that's not, that's not an issue.

00:14:41.663 --> 00:14:42.923
And how do those comms happen?

00:14:42.984 --> 00:14:46.884
Is that, is that, I guess, an administrative function or kind of a customer service function?

00:14:46.884 --> 00:14:49.494
They'll just call like a front desky person that doesn't.

00:14:49.769 --> 00:14:55.589
Actually manage clients and Yeah, we have, or a lot of it's online kind of scheduling stuff or No, no.

00:14:55.589 --> 00:14:59.548
Um, they, they contact our schedulers.

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I see.

00:15:00.089 --> 00:15:04.019
And they take care of everything up to the moment when they're, yeah.

00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:04.948
They're rapist.

00:15:04.948 --> 00:15:09.749
Like, uh, if you're gonna come, go and see the dentist or something, there's a person who's just kind of in charge of, okay.

00:15:09.808 --> 00:15:09.989
You know?

00:15:09.989 --> 00:15:10.678
Exactly.

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And a month from now we're gonna come back.

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Yeah.

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And whatever kind of thing.

00:15:13.708 --> 00:15:17.369
And four years ago that was, and no toothbrush, no, no toothpaste or nothing like that.

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Do you get any, uh.

00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.818
Do you guys have like, swaggy, swaggy, prizes, like candy?

00:15:21.818 --> 00:15:23.499
So your teeth are out faster or anything?

00:15:23.528 --> 00:15:23.798
No.

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Maybe, which is a good idea.

00:15:25.448 --> 00:15:29.798
You give away cell phones or something, so people's No, there's, everybody's already got one of those.

00:15:30.068 --> 00:15:30.609
Yeah.

00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:34.688
And, and four years ago, that was me doing everything right.

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Picking up the phone and getting, getting people set up.

00:15:38.558 --> 00:15:43.509
So we, looking back, we're a long way from, from where we started.

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Right?

00:15:43.958 --> 00:15:48.009
I can't believe you took insurance right from the start as a one man band that seems, mm.

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Like, well,'cause even now, right?

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Don't you get paid like 60 days after you see somebody or something?

00:15:53.288 --> 00:15:55.899
A lot of times, if I do, right?

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I mean, um, nothing against insurance, right?

00:16:01.178 --> 00:16:02.649
Unless you, it's your bread and butter.

00:16:02.649 --> 00:16:08.828
Don't, don't dig me for, for what I'm gonna say, but for sometimes if they deny claims for.

00:16:09.984 --> 00:16:15.173
You need some administrative, missing a comment or something like that.

00:16:15.203 --> 00:16:15.413
Okay.

00:16:15.923 --> 00:16:17.604
Then we're talking about six months.

00:16:17.634 --> 00:16:21.323
We, um, gotta resubmit this or that kind of thing.

00:16:21.323 --> 00:16:21.594
Yeah.

00:16:21.923 --> 00:16:22.313
Yeah.

00:16:22.464 --> 00:16:28.374
So, um, the DLA, um, we gotta be really solid on cash flow.

00:16:28.374 --> 00:16:29.004
Well, that's crazy.

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You had to have some savings in the bank when you start'cause you're not gonna get your first.

00:16:32.663 --> 00:16:34.823
Paycheck from that first client?

00:16:35.423 --> 00:16:35.634
Yeah.

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Until two months after you see'em.

00:16:38.033 --> 00:16:38.303
Yeah.

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Sometimes a little faster and then sometimes, yeah.

00:16:41.693 --> 00:16:42.114
Interesting.

00:16:43.614 --> 00:16:44.094
I don't know.

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I remember, yeah, mid 2024.

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Late 2024.

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I could see I still had claims from 2023.

00:16:51.803 --> 00:16:52.524
Oh really?

00:16:53.094 --> 00:16:53.663
Yeah.

00:16:54.144 --> 00:16:54.533
Yeah.

00:16:54.533 --> 00:16:54.594
Yeah.

00:16:54.594 --> 00:16:54.864
Interesting.

00:16:54.864 --> 00:16:57.053
So, um, that's.

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That's what can get really dicey when, when taking insurances.

00:17:01.438 --> 00:17:01.568
Right.

00:17:01.568 --> 00:17:02.364
Because Right.

00:17:02.453 --> 00:17:06.294
That can be a really long time in between the time when you provide services.

00:17:06.294 --> 00:17:06.503
Right.

00:17:07.433 --> 00:17:09.834
And then therefore pay your therapist well.

00:17:09.834 --> 00:17:17.844
And you're out there leasing new offices, putting deposits down on new offices, hiring therapists to staff'em before you really have customers in that region yet.

00:17:17.874 --> 00:17:19.013
Yeah, exactly.

00:17:19.013 --> 00:17:19.614
Interesting.

00:17:20.003 --> 00:17:23.513
Yeah, it's definitely an interesting cash flow management type of business.

00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:23.528
Mm-hmm.

00:17:25.344 --> 00:17:27.624
What, what got you into counseling?

00:17:28.493 --> 00:17:30.294
What got me into and how, when did you start?

00:17:30.713 --> 00:17:31.193
Yeah.

00:17:31.193 --> 00:17:34.344
So I started back in 2009.

00:17:34.344 --> 00:17:36.804
So what got me into counseling?

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I was an attorney.

00:17:38.723 --> 00:17:39.023
Okay.

00:17:39.084 --> 00:17:46.763
Um, back in Miami and yeah, go to Miami.

00:17:47.273 --> 00:17:47.963
Did you like Miami?

00:17:48.804 --> 00:17:49.794
I, it was too big for me.

00:17:50.153 --> 00:17:50.423
Yeah.

00:17:50.423 --> 00:17:52.973
I'm a, I'm a smaller town kind of guy.

00:17:52.973 --> 00:17:53.064
Sure.

00:17:54.519 --> 00:18:07.153
And so, I mean, as you can, as you can imagine, working as attorney is requires, um, certain kind of personality, which I think I.

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Was not matching my personality.

00:18:09.548 --> 00:18:09.848
Okay.

00:18:09.969 --> 00:18:15.878
And yeah, the kind of law that I was doing was, um, so you were failing as an attorney, is that what you're saying?

00:18:16.003 --> 00:18:16.294
Yeah.

00:18:16.419 --> 00:18:16.929
Yeah, A little bit.

00:18:17.169 --> 00:18:17.409
Yeah.

00:18:17.769 --> 00:18:18.128
Sorry.

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That's rude.

00:18:21.608 --> 00:18:25.298
I wasn't as successful, uh, as I got later.

00:18:25.689 --> 00:18:29.378
Um, but then 2008 I happened and.

00:18:29.784 --> 00:18:31.463
You know what, which sure.

00:18:31.523 --> 00:18:34.644
You went through, you went through the, the banking crisis.

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The banking crisis.

00:18:35.723 --> 00:18:35.784
Yeah.

00:18:35.784 --> 00:18:38.423
Our bank went from a staff of 12 to a staff of six.

00:18:38.814 --> 00:18:39.263
Oh really?

00:18:39.294 --> 00:18:39.443
Yeah.

00:18:39.443 --> 00:18:39.683
Yeah.

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The bank I worked at.

00:18:40.554 --> 00:18:41.064
Wow.

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I was one of the survivors.

00:18:42.114 --> 00:18:44.064
But you know, not everybody was so lucky.

00:18:44.513 --> 00:18:48.233
So imagine the same thing in most law firms.

00:18:48.443 --> 00:18:48.773
Is that right?

00:18:48.773 --> 00:18:50.003
In a lot of law firms.

00:18:50.183 --> 00:18:50.453
Yeah.

00:18:50.544 --> 00:18:53.153
In um, especially.

00:18:53.153 --> 00:18:54.953
Oh, so you didn't really choose counseling.

00:18:55.044 --> 00:18:56.753
Uh, law UN chose you.

00:18:57.653 --> 00:18:58.943
You were like, yeah, kind of.

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Oh, what should I do now?

00:19:00.263 --> 00:19:00.834
Yeah.

00:19:00.953 --> 00:19:01.253
Okay.

00:19:01.284 --> 00:19:03.864
Well, I could have, I think I wasn't that bad.

00:19:03.868 --> 00:19:04.068
I'm sure.

00:19:04.148 --> 00:19:05.628
I think I could have come back, I'm sure.

00:19:07.614 --> 00:19:08.723
But you were kind of over it anyway.

00:19:08.753 --> 00:19:11.544
I wasn't the best, but I'm just teasing.

00:19:11.544 --> 00:19:13.493
I don't think people were chasing me outta Miami.

00:19:13.493 --> 00:19:13.794
Right.

00:19:13.824 --> 00:19:14.124
Okay.

00:19:14.124 --> 00:19:14.453
Fair.

00:19:14.483 --> 00:19:17.693
Um, but you were like, let's flip a new page.

00:19:17.693 --> 00:19:23.213
So it was, it was really at that point where I was coming at a fork in the road of.

00:19:25.134 --> 00:19:34.253
Do I try something that I think I would be good at, or do I keep looking for a job for a long time and that I probably wouldn't like so.

00:19:35.243 --> 00:19:36.894
I, I really, I just tried it out.

00:19:37.044 --> 00:19:37.193
Hmm.

00:19:37.703 --> 00:19:41.903
Well, um, well, though, you have to like get a degree or something first though.

00:19:41.909 --> 00:19:41.919
Yeah.

00:19:41.919 --> 00:19:42.028
Right.

00:19:42.028 --> 00:19:42.189
Yeah.

00:19:42.189 --> 00:19:46.013
So, because you can't just try it out, you put up your psychiatry 5 cents flag.

00:19:46.074 --> 00:19:47.933
I, I tried out the school.

00:19:47.933 --> 00:19:47.963
Okay.

00:19:47.993 --> 00:19:49.463
I tried out the master's degree.

00:19:49.463 --> 00:19:50.094
Gotcha, gotcha.

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I made sure to check the, the refund.

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I.

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On the refund policy and had one free week, basically.

00:19:57.368 --> 00:19:57.818
Okay.

00:19:58.058 --> 00:20:03.608
Um, and I knew within the first day I was 80% sure this is what I want to do.

00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:07.959
Um, by the end of the week I knew that that was how cool that was it.

00:20:07.959 --> 00:20:15.489
So, um, starting in 2009, so my first clients in 2010, um.

00:20:16.134 --> 00:20:18.864
At the school, so I was an intern back then.

00:20:18.923 --> 00:20:19.284
Okay.

00:20:20.003 --> 00:20:22.673
And became Did you have good supervision?

00:20:23.663 --> 00:20:24.233
Excellent.

00:20:24.294 --> 00:20:24.594
Yeah.

00:20:24.683 --> 00:20:25.344
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:25.403 --> 00:20:28.104
Our, our teachers were really great.

00:20:28.104 --> 00:20:39.683
I was a very, very, very good experience and went full time 2011, and I practiced full-time until 20.

00:20:40.328 --> 00:20:41.318
Well, 2021.

00:20:41.409 --> 00:20:41.679
Yeah.

00:20:41.858 --> 00:20:47.199
Uh, in, in Florida some of that time or did you move here or what was your circumstance getting to Colorado?

00:20:47.288 --> 00:20:53.709
Um, I came to Colorado in 2016.

00:20:54.128 --> 00:20:54.219
Okay.

00:20:54.249 --> 00:20:55.449
Late 2016?

00:20:55.689 --> 00:20:55.838
Yeah.

00:20:56.138 --> 00:20:56.858
Early 20 s.

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And how did that come to pass?

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Like, I came here for a job.

00:21:01.388 --> 00:21:01.868
Oh, okay.

00:21:02.048 --> 00:21:02.439
Okay.

00:21:03.038 --> 00:21:05.739
Do, do companies recruit for a long ways to get.

00:21:06.068 --> 00:21:11.048
Therapist jobs or were you looking for I was to get to the mountains or get out of Florida or whatever.

00:21:11.138 --> 00:21:13.749
Yeah, I mean, like I came just like.

00:21:14.723 --> 00:21:17.213
Probably for the same reason that most people come to Colorado.

00:21:17.213 --> 00:21:17.364
Right.

00:21:17.364 --> 00:21:19.884
Well, I just was curious how the, like, how it all worked out.

00:21:19.884 --> 00:21:21.324
But you got a job first that Yeah.

00:21:21.328 --> 00:21:22.523
You, you know, you didn't have to Exactly.

00:21:22.584 --> 00:21:24.023
Come here and look for a job.

00:21:24.023 --> 00:21:25.314
You did it smart this time.

00:21:25.973 --> 00:21:27.953
No, not that risk.

00:21:28.433 --> 00:21:29.753
Not that much of a risk taker.

00:21:29.784 --> 00:21:29.963
Yeah.

00:21:29.963 --> 00:21:30.233
Yeah.

00:21:30.324 --> 00:21:33.773
So then you were just, um, kind of working in the industry mm-hmm.

00:21:34.104 --> 00:21:41.273
Doing your thing, working for different, other multiple companies and, and then like, why did you get off, go off on your own?

00:21:44.064 --> 00:21:47.153
It felt like it was a natural progression at this point.

00:21:47.153 --> 00:21:52.614
I had a lot of friends that had gone on their own, so it felt like, yeah, let's why not?

00:21:52.703 --> 00:21:53.394
Why not?

00:21:53.398 --> 00:21:53.598
Yeah.

00:21:53.604 --> 00:21:54.773
Yeah, why not?

00:21:54.804 --> 00:22:00.054
Um, it's kinda like, in a way, it's like the financial services industry.

00:22:00.054 --> 00:22:00.114
I.

00:22:00.534 --> 00:22:04.824
Um, like to get your start, you have to work for Edward Jones or Oh yeah.

00:22:04.824 --> 00:22:05.723
Something like that.

00:22:05.723 --> 00:22:12.173
And they'll train you up and they'll pay you a little salary to try to get you in, but they'll also take a big chunk of your commissions Yeah.

00:22:12.294 --> 00:22:14.663
On all your clients for a long time and forever.

00:22:15.144 --> 00:22:18.834
And so if you get good enough at it, you should just go independent.

00:22:19.013 --> 00:22:19.193
Yeah.

00:22:19.193 --> 00:22:23.364
Because you get to keep so much of a larger share of your, of the pie.

00:22:23.574 --> 00:22:24.084
Sure.

00:22:24.114 --> 00:22:29.544
Same thing with this, I imagine like at, at least at, at first when you don't have overhead and employees and stuff.

00:22:30.473 --> 00:22:38.693
Yeah, I mean it's, um, we, we take a share, but we also take a lot of risks for sure.

00:22:39.084 --> 00:22:41.993
And you do a bunch of stuff like all the payroll, all the mechanics.

00:22:41.993 --> 00:22:43.344
All the insurance billing.

00:22:43.344 --> 00:22:44.308
All the insurance billing.

00:22:44.453 --> 00:22:44.844
Yeah.

00:22:44.903 --> 00:22:45.263
Yeah.

00:22:45.324 --> 00:22:50.903
Well, for most normal people, like I might be a really good therapist if I got some education and training.

00:22:51.624 --> 00:22:57.054
But I would tap, oh, when it came to the insurance billing stuff, I'd be like, I, I don't ever want play.

00:22:57.084 --> 00:22:57.953
Like I, I can't, yeah.

00:22:57.983 --> 00:23:01.074
I just can't even deal with this level of bureaucracy stuff.

00:23:01.074 --> 00:23:02.604
But your law training helped you?

00:23:03.594 --> 00:23:03.923
Yeah.

00:23:03.923 --> 00:23:06.473
I mean, I'm also finding a very good biller.

00:23:06.479 --> 00:23:06.588
Mm-hmm.

00:23:06.788 --> 00:23:13.193
A very trustworthy biller, very dedicated, um, really played a big role.

00:23:13.253 --> 00:23:13.554
Okay.

00:23:13.554 --> 00:23:20.094
In, in Kickstarting momentum, because I remember calling Medicaid.

00:23:20.273 --> 00:23:20.453
Yeah.

00:23:20.513 --> 00:23:20.963
Um.

00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:26.769
Uh, asking about a question, talk to three people, three different answers.

00:23:26.769 --> 00:23:27.068
Yeah.

00:23:27.189 --> 00:23:31.598
Uh, I need to spend an hour on the phone and get nowhere.

00:23:31.659 --> 00:23:32.199
Yeah.

00:23:32.199 --> 00:23:34.989
I told myself I need, I need to find someone.

00:23:35.138 --> 00:23:35.288
Yeah.

00:23:35.288 --> 00:23:37.028
I can't, can't keep doing that.

00:23:37.058 --> 00:23:48.249
That seems to be like, you've done almost everything in your firm, but you willingly delegate when you find out that it would be better if somebody else did that thing.

00:23:48.878 --> 00:23:49.028
Yeah.

00:23:49.028 --> 00:23:49.989
Even just in the.

00:23:50.528 --> 00:23:51.878
Nine months we've known each other.

00:23:51.878 --> 00:23:59.439
You know, you're kind of, kind of adding this and then, well, like the other day when I asked, have you considered like if you should have like a compliance officer Oh yes.

00:23:59.439 --> 00:23:59.679
Something.

00:23:59.679 --> 00:24:00.489
And you were like, yep.

00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:01.659
Just, we just talked about that.

00:24:01.659 --> 00:24:02.648
About we go, you know.

00:24:02.888 --> 00:24:03.578
Exactly.

00:24:03.578 --> 00:24:06.128
And uh, so you're always kind of, I.

00:24:06.128 --> 00:24:11.723
Seeing those gaps in what your skillset can cover effectively and then hire hiring for it or outsourcing for it.

00:24:11.903 --> 00:24:12.203
Yeah.

00:24:12.773 --> 00:24:13.044
Yeah.

00:24:13.433 --> 00:24:18.203
Trying to, again, no, no formal background in, in running a business.

00:24:18.203 --> 00:24:20.273
So rolling with the punches, huh?

00:24:20.423 --> 00:24:20.784
Yeah.

00:24:21.263 --> 00:24:24.564
Does law provide some training in business as part of it?

00:24:24.564 --> 00:24:26.693
Like is there a financial analysis or?

00:24:27.243 --> 00:24:30.034
Uh, accounting classes required or things like that?

00:24:30.034 --> 00:24:30.844
Or not even really?

00:24:30.874 --> 00:24:31.713
Not even really.

00:24:31.743 --> 00:24:32.403
Huh, interesting.

00:24:33.423 --> 00:24:33.483
Yeah.

00:24:33.483 --> 00:24:36.334
A very minimal amount of, of financial knowledge.

00:24:36.364 --> 00:24:38.253
So you're learning as you go about Yeah.

00:24:38.463 --> 00:24:40.864
Balance sheet management, cash flow management.

00:24:40.894 --> 00:24:41.433
Yeah, exactly.

00:24:41.523 --> 00:24:43.534
Human resources, hiring.

00:24:43.534 --> 00:24:44.794
How many people had you.

00:24:45.653 --> 00:24:47.153
Had you managed people before?

00:24:47.213 --> 00:24:47.334
No.

00:24:47.334 --> 00:24:48.054
Starting momentum?

00:24:48.054 --> 00:24:48.413
Never.

00:24:48.413 --> 00:24:50.753
Never, never ever, never, ever.

00:24:51.084 --> 00:24:53.483
Not even at the McDonald's or whatever in high school.

00:24:53.544 --> 00:24:53.604
No.

00:24:54.743 --> 00:24:55.733
That is wild.

00:24:55.824 --> 00:24:56.243
Yeah.

00:24:56.544 --> 00:25:02.304
Um, and, uh, so I wanna go to the subject at hand a little bit.

00:25:02.453 --> 00:25:03.354
Um, okay.

00:25:03.443 --> 00:25:05.723
Like the, the basics of.

00:25:06.818 --> 00:25:09.969
I guess talk therapy is what you guys would say that you do, right?

00:25:10.058 --> 00:25:10.209
Yeah.

00:25:10.209 --> 00:25:13.598
You don't, you don't use any of the fancy zappy machines or No.

00:25:13.659 --> 00:25:17.409
Any of those kind of, you know, new agey Chinese medicine techniques or nothing?

00:25:17.528 --> 00:25:19.568
No, I just thought just traditional.

00:25:19.598 --> 00:25:19.868
Yeah.

00:25:20.318 --> 00:25:30.548
So talk to me about like what, what sets apart the really good therapists and maybe even the really good clients, like how do you, how do you become a really good client in that kind of circumstance?

00:25:30.548 --> 00:25:31.778
Like what are the, oh wow.

00:25:31.838 --> 00:25:34.628
What are the dynamics to achieve change and success?

00:25:34.659 --> 00:25:35.528
'cause I'm sure you have.

00:25:36.429 --> 00:25:38.469
If you're like anybody, you have winners and losers.

00:25:38.588 --> 00:25:43.868
Like some people respond really well to therapy and some people are hard nuts to crack.

00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:50.858
Who I don't think that there's such a thing as a hard nut, as a bad client.

00:25:50.979 --> 00:25:51.249
Okay.

00:25:51.308 --> 00:25:55.778
Um, I don't think that there is such a thing as a resistant client.

00:25:56.439 --> 00:25:57.398
Um, that was a.

00:25:57.804 --> 00:26:00.084
Term that was used for, for a long time.

00:26:00.084 --> 00:26:00.173
Yeah.

00:26:00.173 --> 00:26:08.453
But we're moving away from, from that because we're realizing it falls back on on the therapist.

00:26:08.453 --> 00:26:08.544
Huh?

00:26:08.544 --> 00:26:09.023
Is that right?

00:26:10.104 --> 00:26:10.644
Yeah.

00:26:10.673 --> 00:26:12.864
Is, is the client resistant?

00:26:13.223 --> 00:26:13.284
Um.

00:26:14.828 --> 00:26:15.038
Alright.

00:26:15.909 --> 00:26:16.209
Resistant.

00:26:16.209 --> 00:26:19.058
So if, if I'm a resistant client, we'll say, yeah.

00:26:19.358 --> 00:26:22.058
Well then what would a therapist do to overcome that?

00:26:22.358 --> 00:26:23.564
I think feels my fault.

00:26:23.568 --> 00:26:26.409
The client, the, the therapist might be going too fast.

00:26:26.588 --> 00:26:26.979
Mm-hmm.

00:26:26.979 --> 00:26:31.628
And trying to touch upon some, some areas that the client is not ready.

00:26:31.703 --> 00:26:32.124
Mm-hmm.

00:26:33.038 --> 00:26:33.249
Okay.

00:26:33.249 --> 00:26:39.249
It's not because the, I'll use resistant for the lack of better term.

00:26:39.278 --> 00:26:40.959
It's not because the client is resistant.

00:26:40.959 --> 00:26:42.759
Now, that means that they don't want to.

00:26:43.538 --> 00:26:51.398
Um, they're resisting to talking about it, and they would be resistant forever.

00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.689
Uh, the, the cl the therapies might not have built enough rapport.

00:26:55.838 --> 00:26:56.108
Yeah.

00:26:56.558 --> 00:26:59.499
Um, the therapies might, yeah.

00:26:59.558 --> 00:27:03.848
I've gone, I've gone too fast, and the client is not ready to talk about Yeah.

00:27:03.909 --> 00:27:05.409
That, that trauma, for example.

00:27:05.439 --> 00:27:05.528
Mm-hmm.

00:27:05.769 --> 00:27:05.828
Yeah.

00:27:05.834 --> 00:27:05.874
Yeah.

00:27:06.009 --> 00:27:06.489
Interesting.

00:27:07.179 --> 00:27:09.578
And so is that what it's mostly about?

00:27:09.578 --> 00:27:10.568
Ultimately is like.

00:27:12.294 --> 00:27:16.284
Getting the permission of the client to, to unearth the trauma.

00:27:16.328 --> 00:27:16.388
Yeah.

00:27:17.259 --> 00:27:22.153
And, and move past it eventually, or approach it kind of, um, more rationally.

00:27:22.153 --> 00:27:26.108
I don't think that the permission, I don't think the permission is verbalized.

00:27:26.114 --> 00:27:26.588
No, no, no.

00:27:27.038 --> 00:27:27.878
Um, no.

00:27:27.878 --> 00:27:28.239
I, yeah.

00:27:28.239 --> 00:27:34.898
But, but getting to that point almost of, of uncovering whatever it is that, yeah, that person's stumbling.

00:27:34.898 --> 00:27:41.199
I, I guess this is probably more of, especially on a one-on-one counseling, relationship counseling is probably a whole different dynamic.

00:27:41.288 --> 00:27:41.858
Yeah.

00:27:41.919 --> 00:27:42.548
Um.

00:27:43.568 --> 00:27:59.108
I would say the, the readiness of the client, um, plays, plays a big role, um, and sometimes maybe they're resistant, what the therapist sees as resistance.

00:27:59.259 --> 00:28:11.709
The client does not even see it as sure as resistant, but may not have had time to gain the inside and, and the therapies is.

00:28:12.128 --> 00:28:12.459
Like, what?

00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:13.328
Can't you see that?

00:28:14.048 --> 00:28:14.469
Right.

00:28:14.919 --> 00:28:16.868
It's like the, you have a nail in your head.

00:28:16.868 --> 00:28:16.929
Yeah.

00:28:16.929 --> 00:28:18.429
You see that, uh, little video.

00:28:18.578 --> 00:28:18.939
Yeah.

00:28:18.999 --> 00:28:30.189
Um, so I guess talk to me about like, is there things that the therapist can do then to loosen the resistance, if you will?

00:28:30.189 --> 00:28:31.328
Or, or, or help.

00:28:31.929 --> 00:28:32.858
Gain that perspective?

00:28:32.858 --> 00:28:38.769
Or is it just really about we just build rapport and talk until the trust is kind of there?

00:28:39.009 --> 00:28:39.759
Yeah.

00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:44.169
And yeah, rapport is not just talking about, you know, favorite football team or Right.

00:28:44.618 --> 00:28:45.608
Anything like that.

00:28:45.608 --> 00:28:48.699
And you do that for two sessions and then after you, right.

00:28:49.959 --> 00:28:56.019
Rapport is always, always present, but I think if the rapport.

00:28:56.558 --> 00:28:57.669
Has not been built.

00:28:57.669 --> 00:28:59.949
You can have the best interventions in the world.

00:29:00.189 --> 00:29:01.959
This is just gonna fall flat.

00:29:02.199 --> 00:29:02.439
Fair.

00:29:02.679 --> 00:29:09.788
If the client does not trust you, if the client doesn't believe they, you won't be judging them.

00:29:09.939 --> 00:29:10.269
Yeah.

00:29:10.269 --> 00:29:11.138
You'll accept them.

00:29:11.318 --> 00:29:11.528
Yeah.

00:29:12.788 --> 00:29:13.118
Yeah.

00:29:13.118 --> 00:29:14.973
You're, you're just wasting your time.

00:29:15.973 --> 00:29:17.858
I mean, the client may be Yeah.

00:29:18.338 --> 00:29:23.169
Um, uncovering things that they were not even aware of, or trauma that they have not.

00:29:23.993 --> 00:29:25.973
Talked about to, to anyone else.

00:29:26.423 --> 00:29:29.183
So, um, yeah.

00:29:29.183 --> 00:29:37.554
If, if the client doesn't see that you care about them, you're, you're wasting your time.

00:29:37.644 --> 00:29:38.003
Yeah.

00:29:38.153 --> 00:29:38.513
Yeah.

00:29:39.834 --> 00:29:45.834
And so it's really to some extent about evidence in that care through, I suppose good listening.

00:29:46.104 --> 00:29:46.314
Yeah.

00:29:46.314 --> 00:29:47.604
Reflective questioning.

00:29:47.784 --> 00:29:48.144
Exactly.

00:29:48.144 --> 00:29:49.763
Not pushing too far into the.

00:29:50.679 --> 00:29:51.669
Soft spot yet.

00:29:52.088 --> 00:29:54.999
Yeah, that's exactly what you're doing now, right here.

00:29:54.999 --> 00:29:55.209
Yeah.

00:29:56.169 --> 00:29:56.949
I could be, I could, I could do your job.

00:29:57.278 --> 00:29:58.868
Yeah, you should.

00:29:58.874 --> 00:29:59.979
You should get a shop perhaps.

00:29:59.979 --> 00:30:00.368
Maybe.

00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:00.848
Yeah.

00:30:00.878 --> 00:30:03.398
Um, get into your internship program.

00:30:03.398 --> 00:30:04.719
How much schooling do I have to go?

00:30:04.719 --> 00:30:06.638
I've got an economics degree so far.

00:30:07.719 --> 00:30:15.249
You still need to, to get into a master's degree, either professional counseling or married and family therapy.

00:30:15.249 --> 00:30:15.669
I see.

00:30:15.999 --> 00:30:16.269
Yeah.

00:30:16.269 --> 00:30:18.249
Social work or, so they probably, they might not take me.

00:30:19.808 --> 00:30:20.019
We'll see.

00:30:20.019 --> 00:30:20.409
Give it a try.

00:30:20.409 --> 00:30:20.949
They people.

00:30:20.949 --> 00:30:21.159
Yeah.

00:30:21.219 --> 00:30:21.669
Yeah.

00:30:22.328 --> 00:30:23.828
I got a lot of things on my plate already.

00:30:24.429 --> 00:30:34.913
Um, what you do, what was your, like, it sounded like you found pretty decent success, uh, early on in, in the therapist more so than, than the law career, and then mm-hmm.

00:30:35.378 --> 00:30:37.239
You know, especially when you went off on your own and you're like.

00:30:37.554 --> 00:30:38.273
Full right away.

00:30:38.273 --> 00:30:43.614
Like what was, what was it that was really drawing people to you?

00:30:43.644 --> 00:30:51.834
Uh, I know one thing I was gonna ask is like, you're a dude and Yeah, like eight out of 10 or nine out of 10 therapists are probably ladies these days in our region.

00:30:51.894 --> 00:30:52.223
Correct.

00:30:52.223 --> 00:30:53.634
Was that a benefit?

00:30:54.023 --> 00:30:57.773
Like did you get, or do you see that at all, I guess in the industry?

00:30:57.773 --> 00:31:01.794
Do like men prefer to talk to a man sometimes?

00:31:01.973 --> 00:31:02.213
No.

00:31:02.213 --> 00:31:03.233
In particular or.

00:31:03.398 --> 00:31:03.459
Who?

00:31:03.939 --> 00:31:04.209
Yeah.

00:31:04.209 --> 00:31:04.929
Talk to me about that dynamic.

00:31:05.019 --> 00:31:09.128
What I see, and again, I'm not involved into the day-to-day Sure.

00:31:09.128 --> 00:31:10.568
Scheduling, but you've been there.

00:31:10.628 --> 00:31:11.169
Yeah.

00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:21.098
Um, when I hear about preference, I hear people wanting to, to work with a female therapist.

00:31:21.189 --> 00:31:21.548
Okay.

00:31:21.878 --> 00:31:24.128
I actually, you rarely hear it the other way around.

00:31:24.909 --> 00:31:25.449
Rarely.

00:31:25.959 --> 00:31:25.989
Okay.

00:31:26.108 --> 00:31:26.558
Interesting.

00:31:26.564 --> 00:31:26.733
Yeah.

00:31:28.028 --> 00:31:28.209
Yeah.

00:31:28.778 --> 00:31:29.949
Um, and so.

00:31:30.848 --> 00:31:33.878
You were not a female therapist, but you still filled up right away.

00:31:33.909 --> 00:31:36.818
Did you have a, what would you say is your special sauce?

00:31:36.818 --> 00:31:46.419
Why were your clients willing to transition with you out of your former employer and, and follow you to your new practice and, and refer their friends, presumably to some extent?

00:31:46.598 --> 00:31:47.108
Yeah.

00:31:47.528 --> 00:31:50.769
I got highly specialized in eating disorders.

00:31:50.798 --> 00:31:51.578
Oh, okay.

00:31:51.788 --> 00:31:53.888
Um, which is a niche.

00:31:54.429 --> 00:31:55.449
Okay.

00:31:55.538 --> 00:31:58.838
Which I think also a lot of therapists tend to shy away.

00:31:59.259 --> 00:32:02.979
And were you, did you experience your own problems in that space or something?

00:32:02.979 --> 00:32:09.608
No, I got involved, yeah, for about three, three and a half years before opening momentum.

00:32:09.638 --> 00:32:09.999
Okay.

00:32:10.088 --> 00:32:13.269
I worked in an eating disorder only.

00:32:13.419 --> 00:32:13.874
Oh, clinic.

00:32:14.138 --> 00:32:14.528
Okay.

00:32:14.679 --> 00:32:14.888
Yeah.

00:32:17.108 --> 00:32:18.398
So that became kind of your.

00:32:19.118 --> 00:32:22.659
Not your target market necessarily, but your special niche of expertise.

00:32:22.689 --> 00:32:23.588
Yeah, exactly.

00:32:23.588 --> 00:32:23.919
Interesting.

00:32:24.098 --> 00:32:24.729
Exactly.

00:32:24.788 --> 00:32:34.449
Like I, I remember like when I was in high school, early college was when kind of bulimia and anorexia was really kind of all over the, the news and stuff.

00:32:34.449 --> 00:32:36.969
Is that still a significant challenge or is it other.

00:32:38.138 --> 00:32:41.769
More specialized disorders that are, uh, in the world today.

00:32:42.939 --> 00:32:50.259
I know eating disorders, like you said, um, college, especially freshman year of college mm-hmm.

00:32:50.499 --> 00:32:53.618
Is one of two.

00:32:53.618 --> 00:32:56.048
I mean, it's puberty and college.

00:32:56.048 --> 00:32:56.153
Those two times.

00:32:56.153 --> 00:33:01.419
Yeah, those two times when there's the highest occurrence of eating disorders.

00:33:01.449 --> 00:33:01.719
Okay.

00:33:01.778 --> 00:33:05.138
Although now we're seeing more occurrence in.

00:33:06.608 --> 00:33:07.778
People in their forties.

00:33:07.929 --> 00:33:08.348
Mm-hmm.

00:33:09.098 --> 00:33:10.028
That doesn't surprise me.

00:33:10.028 --> 00:33:10.419
Yeah.

00:33:10.749 --> 00:33:14.979
Uh, always a time of transition kind of, and whatever, and Yeah.

00:33:15.159 --> 00:33:15.398
Yeah.

00:33:15.398 --> 00:33:16.868
And especially in Colorado.

00:33:16.959 --> 00:33:22.239
Um, and when you say people, you really mostly mean women or is it also men?

00:33:22.358 --> 00:33:24.308
I think with, with men.

00:33:24.489 --> 00:33:25.028
Um.

00:33:26.378 --> 00:33:29.528
Men are very much underdiagnosed Okay.

00:33:29.528 --> 00:33:30.638
With eating disorders.

00:33:30.699 --> 00:33:30.848
Okay.

00:33:31.388 --> 00:33:36.459
Um, before, um, research thought that the ratio was one to 10.

00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:37.118
Okay.

00:33:37.959 --> 00:33:42.429
Then down to one to four, now one to two.

00:33:42.489 --> 00:33:43.118
Oh, wow.

00:33:43.209 --> 00:33:43.659
Yeah.

00:33:43.719 --> 00:33:46.028
So a lot more Oh, interesting.

00:33:46.148 --> 00:33:46.959
Men.

00:33:47.709 --> 00:33:51.999
Having issues with food than was initially Yeah.

00:33:52.088 --> 00:33:52.479
Thought.

00:33:52.538 --> 00:34:01.028
And is it, but is it different than the anorexia and bulimia that we had back in those days or is that the main, the power pair still?

00:34:01.028 --> 00:34:04.898
Are there other types of eating disorders That I'm not for men.

00:34:05.169 --> 00:34:06.398
For men or for women?

00:34:06.398 --> 00:34:07.449
For, for men.

00:34:07.449 --> 00:34:08.018
For anybody.

00:34:08.139 --> 00:34:08.619
Yeah.

00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:11.619
Um, because anorexia is, you just don't eat right.

00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:13.809
And bulimia is you like puke it back out after you eat.

00:34:14.378 --> 00:34:14.679
Yeah.

00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:15.639
A binge.

00:34:15.668 --> 00:34:17.409
Binge and, and per cycles.

00:34:17.588 --> 00:34:17.829
Yeah.

00:34:17.889 --> 00:34:18.248
Yeah.

00:34:18.699 --> 00:34:24.309
Um, for men, um, it's not an official diagnosis, but big auryxia.

00:34:24.969 --> 00:34:28.898
I think it's also called reverse anorexia, so Oh, being obsessed.

00:34:29.018 --> 00:34:30.608
Oh, with, with bulking up.

00:34:30.668 --> 00:34:31.389
Oh, interesting.

00:34:31.389 --> 00:34:31.659
Yeah.

00:34:31.688 --> 00:34:34.358
Like even if you're four oh pounds, you're like, I can use even bigger.

00:34:34.509 --> 00:34:34.958
Yeah.

00:34:34.958 --> 00:34:37.838
I mean that, that obsession with Or big muscles.

00:34:37.838 --> 00:34:38.679
Big muscles, yeah.

00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:39.458
Oh, got you more.

00:34:39.548 --> 00:34:39.969
Yeah.

00:34:40.059 --> 00:34:40.844
Um, leaf cake.

00:34:41.403 --> 00:34:41.563
Yeah.

00:34:41.563 --> 00:34:41.724
Yeah.

00:34:42.503 --> 00:34:43.164
I'm thinking about it.

00:34:43.478 --> 00:34:45.219
I was gonna get some steroids and.

00:34:45.324 --> 00:34:48.293
I had it hard for a couple years just before I get too old, you know?

00:34:49.434 --> 00:34:49.884
Yeah.

00:34:49.884 --> 00:34:53.034
I think you should pass on, you haven't seen good success.

00:34:53.364 --> 00:34:53.784
Yeah.

00:34:54.384 --> 00:34:56.034
Um, that's so interesting.

00:34:56.184 --> 00:34:56.423
Yeah.

00:34:56.423 --> 00:34:56.603
Okay.

00:34:56.603 --> 00:34:58.554
So at any age, even probably for men.

00:34:59.034 --> 00:34:59.273
Mm-hmm.

00:34:59.664 --> 00:35:05.543
Um, and I've definitely probably seen those guys at the gym or whatever that are really focused on, you know, the next kind of start to disappear.

00:35:05.543 --> 00:35:06.623
You're like, dude, you're good.

00:35:06.623 --> 00:35:07.583
Like you Yeah.

00:35:07.614 --> 00:35:11.514
Could kind of back it back a little bit and, and again, um.

00:35:12.983 --> 00:35:27.443
In my experience, it would be hard for me to, to give you an idea of the typical age for male or typical presentation, because I think in three years I was thinking about it.

00:35:27.443 --> 00:35:28.853
I think I might have seen.

00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:34.059
Four or five guys.

00:35:34.688 --> 00:35:35.048
Okay.

00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:35.559
Yeah.

00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:36.219
In three years.

00:35:36.369 --> 00:35:36.548
Yeah.

00:35:36.548 --> 00:35:38.768
So not, still not a real, yeah.

00:35:38.768 --> 00:35:45.668
The disparity, even if it's diagnosed, they're not coming into you or most people aren't coming on the phone anywhere, guys, or not.

00:35:45.728 --> 00:35:46.268
Yeah.

00:35:46.268 --> 00:35:46.269
Yeah.

00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:46.869
Interesting.

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:47.409
Yeah.

00:35:48.458 --> 00:35:50.018
Um, talk to me about like.

00:35:51.878 --> 00:35:56.079
Mental health changes, like since the time of COVID?

00:35:56.108 --> 00:35:57.579
During the time of COVID.

00:35:58.179 --> 00:35:58.208
Mm.

00:35:58.298 --> 00:36:01.748
Um, I was thinking September of 21, you know, was, yeah.

00:36:02.228 --> 00:36:05.949
We were kind of finally getting back to normal-ish.

00:36:06.009 --> 00:36:06.248
Yeah.

00:36:06.248 --> 00:36:09.159
But still barely in some ways.

00:36:09.248 --> 00:36:10.539
Um, and then.

00:36:11.469 --> 00:36:23.889
Um, like contrast that to like the, the Trump reelection, or not reelection, but I have to think both of those were like traumatic events for a lot of young people, uh, in particular.

00:36:23.893 --> 00:36:23.934
Yeah.

00:36:24.338 --> 00:36:24.608
Yeah.

00:36:24.608 --> 00:36:31.478
Or maybe, I mean, COVID more for older people, even maybe a lot of fear, you know, and such, so maybe that was more of a diverse thing.

00:36:31.539 --> 00:36:31.778
I don't know.

00:36:31.778 --> 00:36:32.139
Yeah.

00:36:32.173 --> 00:36:34.898
I, I just thinking about these big, momentous Yeah.

00:36:34.929 --> 00:36:39.728
Things that have happened these last few years with COVID, I, I was not seeing, uh, children.

00:36:40.148 --> 00:36:40.809
Oh, at the time.

00:36:40.838 --> 00:36:41.108
Okay.

00:36:42.398 --> 00:36:50.528
But from what my child therapy staff told me that it had a dramatic effect, especially in, um, development.

00:36:51.278 --> 00:36:51.579
Okay.

00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.318
In, in child development.

00:36:53.318 --> 00:36:55.628
So, uh, not, um, I.

00:36:56.588 --> 00:36:59.438
The expectation of development or not matching the age.

00:36:59.528 --> 00:36:59.798
Yeah.

00:36:59.829 --> 00:37:03.608
Where they, they should the, the eight year olds are acting more like six year olds.

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:03.969
Yeah.

00:37:04.088 --> 00:37:04.599
Whatever.

00:37:04.628 --> 00:37:05.048
Yeah.

00:37:05.528 --> 00:37:16.539
Um, not saying all, but that's what I heard my child therapist telling me that there's a big, um, it, it's very common Hmm.

00:37:16.628 --> 00:37:17.949
To, to encounter that.

00:37:17.949 --> 00:37:25.358
So definitely children, I think COVID might have, um, normalized mental health.

00:37:26.003 --> 00:37:26.273
Mm.

00:37:26.603 --> 00:37:26.934
Yeah.

00:37:27.443 --> 00:37:30.594
Um, made it more normal to be able to go and seek help.

00:37:30.684 --> 00:37:30.923
Yeah.

00:37:31.018 --> 00:37:31.309
Kind.

00:37:31.309 --> 00:37:31.748
Exactly.

00:37:31.748 --> 00:37:32.028
Yeah.

00:37:32.153 --> 00:37:35.603
Just like using, using a zoom for a Yes.

00:37:35.603 --> 00:37:38.213
For a, for a meeting or a therapy session is mm-hmm.

00:37:38.454 --> 00:37:39.563
Much more normalized.

00:37:39.563 --> 00:37:39.804
Yeah.

00:37:39.864 --> 00:37:40.103
Yeah.

00:37:40.253 --> 00:37:40.583
Okay.

00:37:40.673 --> 00:37:41.844
Yeah, I think that's probably fair.

00:37:41.934 --> 00:37:42.204
Yeah.

00:37:42.204 --> 00:37:47.213
I remember the first time I saw a therapist was, you know, years ago marriage counseling first really.

00:37:47.213 --> 00:37:50.483
But, um, it was.

00:37:52.588 --> 00:37:53.423
What, what did I say?

00:37:53.634 --> 00:37:55.134
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm a dude too, right?

00:37:55.134 --> 00:38:01.523
And, and I'm from North Dakota where people don't really go to counselors and therapists and stuff like that.

00:38:01.583 --> 00:38:09.923
Um, so it was a little bit, I guess, progressive of me at that time, you know, 15 years ago or whatever it was, 12 years ago.

00:38:10.313 --> 00:38:15.563
Um, and so, uh, but yeah, now, now it's definitely a, a whole different thing.

00:38:15.623 --> 00:38:16.043
Nobody.

00:38:16.793 --> 00:38:20.813
Think twice if you said, oh, I gotta leave early'cause I gotta go see my therapist, you know?

00:38:21.474 --> 00:38:22.074
Oh yeah.

00:38:22.313 --> 00:38:22.764
Yeah.

00:38:22.853 --> 00:38:27.204
The, uh, the, I think stigma is still there.

00:38:27.204 --> 00:38:27.623
I don't think, yeah.

00:38:27.623 --> 00:38:28.074
A little bit.

00:38:28.403 --> 00:38:32.393
Um, we reached just like, if someone was gonna say, oh, I gotta go see my doctor.

00:38:32.483 --> 00:38:35.304
I think there's still maybe a little bit of stigma there.

00:38:35.304 --> 00:38:35.364
Right.

00:38:35.364 --> 00:38:35.514
Yeah.

00:38:35.514 --> 00:38:35.903
Fair.

00:38:36.054 --> 00:38:38.873
But it has dramatically decreased, right, right.

00:38:38.903 --> 00:38:40.373
Over the past 20 years.

00:38:40.884 --> 00:38:44.873
Well, and humans are wired that way kinda, right?

00:38:44.873 --> 00:38:45.293
Like.

00:38:46.778 --> 00:38:50.708
Like when we had tribes of like 50 or a hundred people and stuff like that.

00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:56.199
You know, if somebody was sick, it's like, well, let's stay away from that person, kind of thing, you know?

00:38:56.378 --> 00:38:56.469
Oh, yeah.

00:38:56.469 --> 00:39:09.849
And I think not just in the, not just even in the physical health space, but probably a little bit even in the mental health space, like humans are naturally inclined to'cause, like depressed people are Debbie Downers.

00:39:10.614 --> 00:39:17.994
And they'll like, it radiates a little bit, kind of, and it's like, it, it is a communicable disease of sorts.

00:39:18.054 --> 00:39:19.793
Uh, well in, in a way.

00:39:20.094 --> 00:39:21.623
And it can be addressed and it can be cured.

00:39:21.623 --> 00:39:21.833
Right.

00:39:21.833 --> 00:39:21.923
Yeah.

00:39:21.923 --> 00:39:23.304
Or at least, you know, worked on.

00:39:23.603 --> 00:39:24.054
Yeah.

00:39:24.054 --> 00:39:28.853
I don't think I a hundred percent agree with, with what, what you're saying.

00:39:29.333 --> 00:39:31.014
Um, it's more metaphor.

00:39:31.043 --> 00:39:31.373
Yeah.

00:39:31.373 --> 00:39:38.034
You know, but, uh, but when I think about, you know, tribes of humans with some little wolf dogs running around and stuff like that, they're like, woo.

00:39:38.469 --> 00:39:41.619
She mad and depressed mean, and stay away.

00:39:41.708 --> 00:39:42.128
Yeah.

00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:51.699
Well, I think, I think the, the flip side of it, um, that's why I think isolation is so difficult on people.

00:39:51.759 --> 00:39:51.878
Mm-hmm.

00:39:52.148 --> 00:39:57.188
Because it goes back to back then when, when you're.

00:39:58.434 --> 00:40:00.353
When you're pushed away from the tribe.

00:40:00.443 --> 00:40:01.188
I mean, that was right.

00:40:01.284 --> 00:40:02.364
That was certain death, huh?

00:40:02.393 --> 00:40:03.384
Right, right.

00:40:03.773 --> 00:40:03.954
Yeah.

00:40:03.954 --> 00:40:11.813
That was one of the interesting, you know, that the tribalism that was, was during that season and the tribalism that exists now, frankly.

00:40:11.873 --> 00:40:12.204
Mm-hmm.

00:40:12.264 --> 00:40:20.664
You know, we're in, you know, uh, current events wise, we're in the truce or the ceasefire between Iran and Ira.

00:40:20.693 --> 00:40:25.974
Israel was just, uh, not even a week ago now, and everybody's like, uh, what's going on here?

00:40:25.974 --> 00:40:26.153
And.

00:40:27.518 --> 00:40:41.108
You know, we've had these no kings rallies and there's just a lot of, uh, those tribes are, are, have become so much more tribal and defined, I guess in some ways since I was a little kid.

00:40:41.994 --> 00:40:45.833
Oh, yeah, if you will, kind of the red team and the blue team or whatever.

00:40:46.523 --> 00:40:46.733
Yeah.

00:40:46.733 --> 00:40:48.173
I didn't grow up here, so.

00:40:48.204 --> 00:40:49.103
Oh yeah, that's for sure.

00:40:49.373 --> 00:40:51.684
Um, but how was it back?

00:40:51.804 --> 00:40:53.903
I don't, don't want to give away your age, but Yeah.

00:40:53.903 --> 00:41:00.869
Well, I'm from, well I'm, I'm 50, you know, it's no secret, but I'm from rural North Dakota, so it was very conservative region anyway.

00:41:01.074 --> 00:41:01.463
Oh yeah.

00:41:01.793 --> 00:41:08.153
Um, but North Dakota actually has like, the, the Bank of North Dakota is a little bit like a mini federal reserve.

00:41:08.514 --> 00:41:08.963
Oh, really?

00:41:08.963 --> 00:41:10.284
And, and North Dakota has a.

00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:18.278
A strong northern European kind of socialist, uh, culture ish.

00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:20.798
Um, but not, not in such a structured way.

00:41:20.858 --> 00:41:25.778
'cause the Northern Europeans, you know, in those cold climates in which North Dakota is also Yeah.

00:41:25.958 --> 00:41:30.759
There's gonna be times when you just gotta rely on each other and community and, you know, if, if.

00:41:31.914 --> 00:41:35.063
John breaks his leg in a tractor accident.

00:41:35.094 --> 00:41:44.094
Well then his neighbors, uh, are putting his crops in for him that year and, and bringing some money over to his wife so she can keep buying groceries in the meantime or whatever.

00:41:44.153 --> 00:41:44.273
Mm.

00:41:44.603 --> 00:41:50.605
And so there's this kind of non, so it's, it's almost like a.

00:41:53.034 --> 00:41:57.054
Nonpolitical region and you kind of do what needs to be done or whatever.

00:41:57.143 --> 00:42:06.173
And, and so I grew up in that environment and so there was, you know, there was a few people that, like, I remember dad saying, I think his dad voted for Jimmy Carter, probably about one of my classmates.

00:42:06.173 --> 00:42:11.364
And it was like, you know, it was pretty rare, uh, versus Ronald Reagan who, you know, cleaned house back in the day.

00:42:11.873 --> 00:42:16.463
Um, and when I, even when I first moved to Fort Collins, it was a very.

00:42:17.123 --> 00:42:19.554
Purple community and Oh yeah.

00:42:19.554 --> 00:42:20.693
Kind of liberty leaning.

00:42:20.693 --> 00:42:31.193
And it was even, you know, years and years before even marijuana legalization and stuff, uh, which were fairly progressive and liberty oriented kind of things, I suppose.

00:42:31.824 --> 00:42:33.353
Um, but now being I.

00:42:34.014 --> 00:42:41.454
A conservative leaning, libertarian type is a little bit, you know, I'm in the, the, the 35% campus almost.

00:42:41.574 --> 00:42:47.244
There's a lot of, you know, I think Biden, or not Biden, Kamala one, Larimer County, like 65, 35.

00:42:47.543 --> 00:42:48.054
Oh, really?

00:42:48.083 --> 00:42:48.653
Yeah.

00:42:49.134 --> 00:42:49.463
Yeah.

00:42:49.463 --> 00:42:55.134
So it's a very, you know, for somebody and I, I've been mostly an independent voter all my life.

00:42:55.134 --> 00:42:55.463
Yeah.

00:42:55.463 --> 00:43:01.134
And never registered, but it's almost like there's a little bit of, uh, uh.

00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:03.608
Oh, you're one of those.

00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:04.719
Uh oh, really?

00:43:04.898 --> 00:43:05.679
You encounter that?

00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:07.778
Not really, but you know, you do sometimes.

00:43:07.898 --> 00:43:09.608
The business community is where I live though.

00:43:09.789 --> 00:43:09.878
Mm.

00:43:10.088 --> 00:43:12.998
And the business community is probably more like 60 40.

00:43:13.148 --> 00:43:13.599
Yeah.

00:43:14.228 --> 00:43:15.909
Independents and, and conservatives.

00:43:15.909 --> 00:43:15.969
Yeah.

00:43:16.434 --> 00:43:19.373
Uh, because hopefully they make more money and they wanna pay less taxes.

00:43:19.373 --> 00:43:23.123
But if the Republicans would actually do less taxes, that would be nice.

00:43:23.123 --> 00:43:23.514
One day.

00:43:25.253 --> 00:43:25.583
I don't know.

00:43:25.614 --> 00:43:26.994
It seems like they both raise taxes.

00:43:27.233 --> 00:43:30.893
Yeah, they're both, both parties are hurdling us to financial devastation.

00:43:30.893 --> 00:43:35.423
Just the Republicans are doing it more slowly, but stretching out the fun.

00:43:36.083 --> 00:43:37.164
Anyway, I digress.

00:43:37.434 --> 00:43:46.253
Um, but yeah, it definitely has be, become well, and part of it's just because we're in a city, you know, and if you're in a hundred person town, you don't really have room to have.

00:43:46.989 --> 00:43:50.228
Like enemies or whatever, you know, everybody's kind of friends with everybody.

00:43:50.228 --> 00:43:51.009
But as, yeah.

00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:55.778
You know, as cities get bigger and towns get bigger, then there can be kind of more room for fighting.

00:43:55.778 --> 00:43:59.949
But I, I think Fort Collins has a great community sense.

00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:00.159
Yep.

00:44:00.188 --> 00:44:08.483
Um, and I think there's a, a level of pragmatism coming back into the, into the culture.

00:44:08.954 --> 00:44:09.668
What do you mean?

00:44:09.759 --> 00:44:14.349
Um, well'cause, well, like our current city council, when they, when they.

00:44:14.768 --> 00:44:16.688
Got elected three years ago-ish.

00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:19.688
They had, uh, a list of 31 priorities.

00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:21.759
That's a lot priorities.

00:44:21.789 --> 00:44:22.989
It is a lot of priorities.

00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.228
Uh, historically there was only such a thing as a priority.

00:44:26.228 --> 00:44:28.719
It was not a plural word until like a hundred years ago.

00:44:29.349 --> 00:44:33.068
And I mocked that a little bit on my LinkedIn and probably got a bunch of people canceling me because of that.

00:44:33.099 --> 00:44:35.349
But, but it was like, we can't really have 31.

00:44:35.378 --> 00:44:40.719
But a lot of them were around like climate initiatives and, um.

00:44:41.259 --> 00:44:44.409
Diversity, equity and inclusion things and stuff like that.

00:44:44.498 --> 00:44:50.889
And some of those are great, but like what's Fort Collins gonna actually do to affect the climate of the world?

00:44:51.068 --> 00:44:51.608
Mm.

00:44:51.818 --> 00:44:52.389
Not that much.

00:44:52.418 --> 00:44:55.539
It doesn't, doesn't seem like it really needs to be one of the 31 priorities.

00:44:55.539 --> 00:44:55.599
Yeah.

00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:03.039
Maybe down the list a little ways or whatever, maybe have five priorities, but concentrate a little bit more on what can, yeah.

00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:08.693
What brings business in, you know, we've got a huge economic development office here in the city.

00:45:09.548 --> 00:45:11.858
But there's really not much developable land.

00:45:11.978 --> 00:45:12.338
Hmm.

00:45:12.369 --> 00:45:15.369
To, to build new manufacturing places and things like that.

00:45:15.369 --> 00:45:23.349
And so why are we expending a lot of resources to bring companies into the region that don't have any place to put their, then they just move over to Milliken, you know?

00:45:23.528 --> 00:45:23.768
Yeah.

00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:25.929
And it's like, okay, well yeah.

00:45:25.929 --> 00:45:26.708
You're welcome Milliken.

00:45:28.568 --> 00:45:28.929
Hmm.

00:45:29.918 --> 00:45:31.568
I'm not an expert on anything.

00:45:32.349 --> 00:45:33.969
Um, definitely not.

00:45:34.208 --> 00:45:38.978
And I definitely don't cancel anybody that doesn't wanna cancel me, and that's kind of where I come out with the tribalism stuff.

00:45:39.309 --> 00:45:39.369
Yeah.

00:45:39.398 --> 00:45:46.389
So, um, I wanna take a, a short break and uh, take a potty break and then we'll come back onto the mics.

00:45:46.509 --> 00:45:47.498
Sounds like a plan to me.

00:45:47.498 --> 00:45:47.648
All right.

00:45:47.708 --> 00:45:48.009
Cheers.

00:46:37.498 --> 00:46:38.009
And we're back.

00:46:38.518 --> 00:46:47.068
So one of the things I was thinking about is, um, like one of the changes in your field and not adjacent field, I guess, is things like.

00:46:47.998 --> 00:46:50.579
I guess chemically assisted trauma therapy.

00:46:50.608 --> 00:46:50.909
Oh, yeah.

00:46:51.268 --> 00:46:56.759
Uh, ketamine and mushroom psychedelics, arguably.

00:46:56.759 --> 00:46:59.458
And, uh, even ayahuasca.

00:46:59.518 --> 00:46:59.668
Yes.

00:46:59.668 --> 00:47:01.168
And different D-M-D-M-A.

00:47:01.318 --> 00:47:01.648
Mm-hmm.

00:47:01.889 --> 00:47:02.009
Like.

00:47:02.324 --> 00:47:07.123
Is that nothing, your, your firm doesn't do anything with any of that, but what is your, do you have thoughts on that?

00:47:07.603 --> 00:47:08.233
We don't.

00:47:08.414 --> 00:47:14.443
Um, the thoughts on that, from what I've read, ketamine has been the most researched.

00:47:14.684 --> 00:47:14.983
Yeah.

00:47:15.224 --> 00:47:23.204
Um, and it's FD approved, um, and has proven a lot of success with trauma and depression.

00:47:23.324 --> 00:47:23.623
Okay.

00:47:24.554 --> 00:47:25.454
And what is Ketamine?

00:47:25.514 --> 00:47:28.664
Is that like a tranquilizer of some sort or what's that substance, do you know?

00:47:28.873 --> 00:47:30.764
I think ketamine is a horse tranquilizer.

00:47:30.884 --> 00:47:31.333
Okay.

00:47:31.333 --> 00:47:31.393
I.

00:47:32.204 --> 00:47:35.983
And had been used before for recreational purposes.

00:47:35.983 --> 00:47:36.494
Yeah.

00:47:36.494 --> 00:47:36.494
Yeah.

00:47:36.554 --> 00:47:40.543
And then now is, is being used to treat, um, gotcha.

00:47:40.543 --> 00:47:45.523
Trauma, depression, um, and maybe other, other conditions.

00:47:46.213 --> 00:47:53.353
And Colorado is one of the leaders in terms of like, you know, making mushrooms not, what is it decriminalized?

00:47:53.384 --> 00:47:53.684
Yeah.

00:47:53.713 --> 00:47:55.603
Denver is, yeah.

00:47:55.603 --> 00:47:56.563
And so are there.

00:47:57.824 --> 00:48:02.414
Do you have competition from mushroom trip guides and stuff?

00:48:02.443 --> 00:48:04.333
Like are they, do they get your customers away?

00:48:04.333 --> 00:48:08.804
Sometimes they're like, I haven't like this talk therapy, but decided to go on a different route.

00:48:09.284 --> 00:48:10.123
That I don't know.

00:48:10.213 --> 00:48:10.333
Okay.

00:48:12.224 --> 00:48:16.123
I've not had clients tell, tell us anything, anything like that.

00:48:16.338 --> 00:48:16.753
I gotcha.

00:48:16.753 --> 00:48:20.534
I guess they don't really have an exit survey necessarily to just stop booking Probably most of the time.

00:48:20.539 --> 00:48:20.739
Yeah.

00:48:20.923 --> 00:48:21.494
Yeah.

00:48:21.853 --> 00:48:26.443
Um, but if it's effective and it's So you're not opposed to that.

00:48:27.494 --> 00:48:39.853
Whatever, experimentation, whatever helps, as long as it's, it's approved, done in a medical setting or uh, a setting that.

00:48:39.929 --> 00:48:41.398
Uh, yeah.

00:48:41.398 --> 00:48:44.188
Would not make the client worse.

00:48:44.338 --> 00:48:44.579
Yeah.

00:48:45.418 --> 00:48:49.829
As long as safe, it helps the client, I'm not gonna be, not gonna be against it.

00:48:49.829 --> 00:48:53.969
And how about the, the flagship product from, for Colorado marijuana?

00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:58.199
Do you find that that's interruptive in people's mental health A lot.

00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:59.159
Do you have a lot of.

00:48:59.938 --> 00:49:05.998
Clients and patients that are struggling from that space, are they hiding from their problems with marijuana?

00:49:05.998 --> 00:49:08.548
And then if they start doing therapy, they stop.

00:49:08.548 --> 00:49:14.728
Like, I would just be curious about your, your experience in that space, if there's any, uh, even anecdotal.

00:49:14.759 --> 00:49:14.998
Yeah.

00:49:14.998 --> 00:49:15.989
Short answer.

00:49:16.168 --> 00:49:24.208
Um, no, no experience besides some anecdotal experience of, um.

00:49:24.929 --> 00:49:32.878
Some of therapist is telling me that they have worked with clients who, who were meeting diagnosis for, for cannabis addiction.

00:49:33.028 --> 00:49:33.449
Okay.

00:49:33.568 --> 00:49:40.244
Um, but apart, apart from that, I think the research I.

00:49:40.664 --> 00:49:46.244
Is, might be split on some of the effects depending on the, on the presentation.

00:49:46.304 --> 00:49:46.664
Mm-hmm.

00:49:47.233 --> 00:49:50.594
So really at, at this point, I'm not dodging the bullet.

00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:50.728
Yeah.

00:49:50.923 --> 00:49:51.014
Yeah.

00:49:51.018 --> 00:49:52.483
I, I just don't have, yeah, yeah.

00:49:52.483 --> 00:49:54.344
Enough data to, to speak to it.

00:49:54.344 --> 00:49:55.963
And how about in the eating disorder space?

00:49:55.963 --> 00:49:59.713
Can you prescribe, uh, edibles to make you more.

00:49:59.773 --> 00:50:01.844
I have a better appetite if you got anorexia.

00:50:02.324 --> 00:50:03.974
I have not seen that.

00:50:04.423 --> 00:50:15.403
The, the sticky, icky I have, I have not, I have not encountered any eating disorder treatment that involved that.

00:50:15.434 --> 00:50:15.764
Okay.

00:50:15.764 --> 00:50:16.273
Just curious.

00:50:16.273 --> 00:50:16.634
Yeah.

00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.628
Well,'cause that was a thing with, with the.

00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.539
Getting medical approved was for like chemo patients that didn't have an appetite.

00:50:22.539 --> 00:50:27.068
It was like, oh yeah, here, smoke this and then you'll be, you know, have the munchies.

00:50:27.278 --> 00:50:27.759
Yeah.

00:50:27.818 --> 00:50:30.759
And uh, so I thought maybe it was cross applicable.

00:50:30.759 --> 00:50:31.179
I don't know.

00:50:31.659 --> 00:50:36.548
Well, with, with eating disorders it's about the food, but it's not about the food.

00:50:36.759 --> 00:50:37.239
Right.

00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.563
There is a lot more, lot more behind it.

00:50:39.789 --> 00:50:40.088
Yeah.

00:50:41.289 --> 00:50:48.248
So I wanted to go to, um, before we jump all the way in the time machine, back to, to little Julian, I wanted to go to law.

00:50:48.628 --> 00:50:49.018
Okay.

00:50:49.108 --> 00:50:54.208
Like what, what caused you to pursue,'cause law's a tough field, right?

00:50:54.208 --> 00:50:54.268
Yeah.

00:50:54.268 --> 00:50:58.228
It's like you gotta go take a bunch of education and a bunch more and you pass these exams and all that.

00:50:58.228 --> 00:50:58.289
Yeah.

00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.119
What, what made you I.

00:51:00.809 --> 00:51:02.759
Point yourself in that direction in the first place.

00:51:02.878 --> 00:51:07.199
Did you have a, uh, like was your dad a lawyer or something like that?

00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:07.259
No.

00:51:07.259 --> 00:51:09.088
Did he wanted you to follow in his footsteps or No?

00:51:09.418 --> 00:51:10.949
What led you to that, down that path?

00:51:10.978 --> 00:51:12.239
Um, no.

00:51:12.568 --> 00:51:18.418
My dad was in business, so that's why I said I didn't have experience, hands on experience.

00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:19.974
He had an example though, you know?

00:51:20.324 --> 00:51:20.614
Yeah.

00:51:21.028 --> 00:51:26.309
Um, but, um, law was.

00:51:28.724 --> 00:51:36.614
Um, so I was doing a actually business degree in, in, um, in college.

00:51:36.643 --> 00:51:37.003
Okay.

00:51:37.664 --> 00:51:45.764
But then again, I don't think I'm really using very much of it and the theory, uh, for, from a college for sure.

00:51:45.884 --> 00:51:49.784
Well, even an MBA, it doesn't really equip you to run a rapidly growing company.

00:51:50.414 --> 00:51:50.594
Yeah.

00:51:50.594 --> 00:51:52.693
I don't think it equips you to, to.

00:51:54.793 --> 00:51:57.463
Learn about cash flow and make payroll in that, I probably would do that.

00:51:57.619 --> 00:52:05.474
And all, all of that theories was great, but it, um, yeah, it didn't teach me much.

00:52:05.478 --> 00:52:05.833
Yeah, yeah.

00:52:05.833 --> 00:52:09.764
About, um, about being in the trenches, that's for sure.

00:52:10.153 --> 00:52:14.443
And then like after undergraduate, you're like, yeah, um, I thought it would be a good add-on.

00:52:14.849 --> 00:52:15.148
Okay.

00:52:15.284 --> 00:52:17.489
To, to the, to the business degree.

00:52:17.489 --> 00:52:21.268
So yeah, went to, went to law school down in Miami and Okay.

00:52:21.329 --> 00:52:23.998
And then worked as an intern after.

00:52:24.059 --> 00:52:24.449
Fair enough.

00:52:24.568 --> 00:52:24.869
Okay.

00:52:25.378 --> 00:52:29.068
Um, let's, uh, let's jump in the time machine and go to the way back.

00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:29.579
Okay.

00:52:31.889 --> 00:52:33.688
Is it a tradition that the local podcast?

00:52:33.688 --> 00:52:34.199
Yes.

00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:34.588
Yes.

00:52:34.588 --> 00:52:36.148
Pretty much everybody jumps in the time machine.

00:52:36.148 --> 00:52:37.199
In the time machine, yeah.

00:52:37.228 --> 00:52:37.559
Okay.

00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.389
We are in.

00:52:40.023 --> 00:52:42.304
First grade or first grade equivalent?

00:52:42.543 --> 00:52:43.893
Uh, somewhere in France.

00:52:44.463 --> 00:52:44.704
Yes.

00:52:45.003 --> 00:52:47.494
Uh, which is where, where's your, where?

00:52:47.523 --> 00:52:49.414
Where'd you, where were you when you were five years old?

00:52:50.224 --> 00:52:51.153
Five years old?

00:52:51.423 --> 00:52:54.333
Um, yeah, it is first grade.

00:52:54.333 --> 00:52:56.434
The equivalent of Yeah, five or six.

00:52:56.434 --> 00:52:57.123
Five six.

00:52:57.364 --> 00:52:57.634
Yeah.

00:52:57.693 --> 00:52:57.934
Yeah.

00:52:57.934 --> 00:53:02.268
So, um, I was at the school where I went from.

00:53:03.268 --> 00:53:05.248
My first kindergarten.

00:53:05.309 --> 00:53:05.608
Okay.

00:53:05.608 --> 00:53:06.418
Until graduation.

00:53:06.449 --> 00:53:07.739
Graduating from high school.

00:53:07.858 --> 00:53:08.128
Oh really?

00:53:08.128 --> 00:53:08.759
One school?

00:53:08.764 --> 00:53:08.853
Yep.

00:53:08.853 --> 00:53:09.094
Okay.

00:53:09.114 --> 00:53:09.574
One school.

00:53:09.574 --> 00:53:14.039
And was it a, a private school or a It was private.

00:53:14.248 --> 00:53:18.088
Uh, it was Catholic school, but very, um, I.

00:53:19.664 --> 00:53:21.614
Almost no religious.

00:53:21.914 --> 00:53:22.903
Oh, interesting affiliation.

00:53:22.909 --> 00:53:23.324
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:23.324 --> 00:53:26.173
More of a school enterprise run by the Catholic church kind of thing.

00:53:26.173 --> 00:53:26.534
Almost.

00:53:26.773 --> 00:53:29.414
Yeah, and it was also funded by the public system.

00:53:29.443 --> 00:53:29.503
Oh, okay.

00:53:29.503 --> 00:53:36.898
I mean, it's just not, I don't think that there's that same amount of dichotomy as in the US in between a private and and public.

00:53:36.898 --> 00:53:37.248
Gotcha.

00:53:37.333 --> 00:53:40.184
It was just the school for the kids that lived right around there kind of thing.

00:53:40.184 --> 00:53:40.903
For the most part.

00:53:41.114 --> 00:53:41.684
Exactly.

00:53:41.684 --> 00:53:43.903
As long as they didn't like hate Catholics or whatever.

00:53:44.414 --> 00:53:44.594
Yeah.

00:53:44.594 --> 00:53:47.009
The reason I went is because, yeah, we used to live.

00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:48.539
Right around the corner.

00:53:48.628 --> 00:53:49.048
Okay.

00:53:49.048 --> 00:53:49.378
Yeah.

00:53:49.378 --> 00:53:50.039
Easy peasy.

00:53:50.188 --> 00:53:50.369
Yeah.

00:53:50.398 --> 00:53:52.858
So, so how many kids were in this school?

00:53:54.268 --> 00:53:59.878
Oh, um, well, we had one class per grade.

00:54:00.418 --> 00:54:02.128
For grade school?

00:54:02.188 --> 00:54:02.548
Yeah.

00:54:02.548 --> 00:54:02.550
Yeah.

00:54:02.878 --> 00:54:07.168
Then I think we had about three classes per grade then for middle school.

00:54:07.708 --> 00:54:08.668
And those classes are like.

00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:10.018
30 kids or something?

00:54:10.018 --> 00:54:10.219
Yeah.

00:54:10.219 --> 00:54:10.760
20 or 30.

00:54:10.764 --> 00:54:11.248
25.

00:54:11.248 --> 00:54:11.789
30.

00:54:11.909 --> 00:54:12.208
Okay.

00:54:12.208 --> 00:54:14.324
So I'll let you do the math in front of your audience.

00:54:14.324 --> 00:54:14.324
Yeah.

00:54:14.324 --> 00:54:15.509
Somewhere right around 800.

00:54:15.809 --> 00:54:16.139
Yeah.

00:54:16.259 --> 00:54:16.679
Students.

00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.188
Something like that.

00:54:17.309 --> 00:54:17.369
Yeah.

00:54:17.369 --> 00:54:18.719
Six, 900, somewhere there.

00:54:19.289 --> 00:54:19.619
Okay.

00:54:19.623 --> 00:54:19.684
Yeah.

00:54:19.708 --> 00:54:21.088
So a pretty big school-ish.

00:54:21.088 --> 00:54:21.179
Mm-hmm.

00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:22.108
But not huge.

00:54:22.318 --> 00:54:22.679
No.

00:54:22.918 --> 00:54:26.068
Compared to some schools and reasonable class sizes and things like that.

00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:26.603
So, yeah.

00:54:26.938 --> 00:54:30.043
So where was this, uh, was it in a.

00:54:30.628 --> 00:54:31.708
City environment.

00:54:31.918 --> 00:54:31.978
Yeah.

00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:33.298
Mid-size city.

00:54:33.298 --> 00:54:36.478
Uh, what was the, like describe the, the region.

00:54:36.478 --> 00:54:37.918
What was your dad's business like?

00:54:37.949 --> 00:54:38.639
Yeah, set.

00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:39.898
Set the stage for me a little bit.

00:54:39.929 --> 00:54:40.528
Um, I.

00:54:42.838 --> 00:54:46.889
City metro area was about the size of Fort Collins.

00:54:47.009 --> 00:54:47.634
Okay, okay.

00:54:47.668 --> 00:54:49.588
That's why I feel comfortable.

00:54:49.648 --> 00:54:49.978
Yeah.

00:54:49.978 --> 00:54:50.039
Yeah.

00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:51.273
With with the side nice size city.

00:54:51.278 --> 00:54:51.539
Yeah.

00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:51.838
Yeah.

00:54:51.838 --> 00:54:54.298
And that's why Miami was not right.

00:54:54.298 --> 00:54:55.228
It was not my thing.

00:54:55.798 --> 00:55:00.059
Um, how far from the real city and is that Paris or what else?

00:55:00.268 --> 00:55:01.168
Paris was the biggest real city.

00:55:01.289 --> 00:55:01.528
Yeah.

00:55:01.528 --> 00:55:04.679
I mean, the metro was about 300,000 people.

00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:04.708
Okay.

00:55:04.708 --> 00:55:06.929
So that was still a city, a pretty big city.

00:55:06.989 --> 00:55:07.139
Yeah.

00:55:07.168 --> 00:55:07.648
Yeah.

00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:09.628
Um, good sized city.

00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.188
Again, not too big, not too small.

00:55:12.248 --> 00:55:12.458
Yeah.

00:55:13.208 --> 00:55:16.449
And then once you stepped out of the, the city.

00:55:16.449 --> 00:55:17.409
Very rural.

00:55:17.469 --> 00:55:17.798
Yeah.

00:55:17.798 --> 00:55:17.800
Yeah.

00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:19.148
Rolling hills.

00:55:19.389 --> 00:55:21.938
Um, Italian countryside style except France.

00:55:22.628 --> 00:55:22.989
Yeah.

00:55:23.048 --> 00:55:24.489
Wineries and such.

00:55:24.548 --> 00:55:26.409
No more, uh, cattle.

00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:27.009
Okay.

00:55:27.068 --> 00:55:27.278
Yeah.

00:55:27.278 --> 00:55:27.699
Oh, interesting.

00:55:27.728 --> 00:55:27.969
Okay.

00:55:27.974 --> 00:55:28.054
Yep.

00:55:28.688 --> 00:55:31.778
Is I didn't realize that, uh, France was a.

00:55:32.114 --> 00:55:34.364
Significant cattle producing region.

00:55:34.693 --> 00:55:35.023
Oh, yeah.

00:55:35.023 --> 00:55:37.003
Especially the region where I, where I, I grew up.

00:55:37.009 --> 00:55:37.289
Okay.

00:55:37.289 --> 00:55:39.463
So it's like the hill country almost kind of thing.

00:55:39.463 --> 00:55:39.465
Mm-hmm.

00:55:39.534 --> 00:55:42.583
So a lot of, um, especially beef.

00:55:42.793 --> 00:55:43.123
Okay.

00:55:43.364 --> 00:55:43.543
Yeah.

00:55:43.724 --> 00:55:43.994
Cool.

00:55:44.114 --> 00:55:44.414
Okay.

00:55:44.893 --> 00:55:46.603
Um, and your dad's business was what?

00:55:47.173 --> 00:55:49.934
Um, so his base, or maybe not at that time, but Yeah.

00:55:49.994 --> 00:55:50.414
Yeah.

00:55:50.503 --> 00:55:52.364
Uh, oh, no, he has always done the same thing.

00:55:52.393 --> 00:55:52.664
Okay.

00:55:52.724 --> 00:55:55.184
Since, since I grew up, um.

00:55:55.708 --> 00:55:57.719
So he was self-employed.

00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.219
He was his, his own boss.

00:55:59.728 --> 00:56:01.349
Um, he didn't have a company.

00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:03.088
Oh, so he didn't have a hundred employees?

00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:03.929
Uh, no.

00:56:03.929 --> 00:56:05.789
Four years later or anything he had himself.

00:56:05.849 --> 00:56:06.179
Okay.

00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:06.898
And what was he doing?

00:56:07.018 --> 00:56:10.139
Um, he was um, I dunno how you would call that.

00:56:10.168 --> 00:56:11.608
Maybe like sales rep.

00:56:11.668 --> 00:56:12.568
Oh, okay.

00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:12.989
Yep.

00:56:13.048 --> 00:56:19.199
But representing factories in between factories, multiple different products and companies.

00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.628
And he just bop around and sell stuff.

00:56:21.958 --> 00:56:22.318
Yeah.

00:56:22.318 --> 00:56:24.298
So in between, but at, um.

00:56:24.778 --> 00:56:28.588
More, I was gonna say bulky level in between wholesalers and, okay.

00:56:28.588 --> 00:56:30.088
Distributor and, yeah.

00:56:30.088 --> 00:56:33.838
Distributors, wholesalers, and the, the factory.

00:56:33.838 --> 00:56:35.443
So it was interesting at that.

00:56:36.059 --> 00:56:37.318
Interesting at that step, huh?

00:56:37.378 --> 00:56:38.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.429
Moving it out of the factories into whatever the next step in the chain was.

00:56:41.434 --> 00:56:41.463
Mm-hmm.

00:56:41.543 --> 00:56:41.744
Yep.

00:56:41.934 --> 00:56:42.224
Okay.

00:56:42.224 --> 00:56:42.463
Cool.

00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:42.778
Mm-hmm.

00:56:43.588 --> 00:56:46.079
Um, and then your mom was, does she stay at home work as well?

00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:46.679
Stay at home mom?

00:56:46.708 --> 00:56:46.858
Yeah.

00:56:46.858 --> 00:56:47.128
Okay.

00:56:47.248 --> 00:56:49.438
Just little Julian, or did you have other siblings too?

00:56:49.438 --> 00:56:50.188
Just by myself.

00:56:50.219 --> 00:56:50.728
Oh really?

00:56:50.728 --> 00:56:51.088
Yeah.

00:56:51.088 --> 00:56:51.268
Man.

00:56:51.268 --> 00:56:52.438
You got all mom's attention.

00:56:52.498 --> 00:56:53.219
Exactly.

00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:54.179
Explains a lot.

00:56:54.208 --> 00:56:57.478
Like your personality, what does he explain?

00:56:57.809 --> 00:57:03.449
Tell me you're just waiting to find a girl like your mother probably needs all her attention now.

00:57:03.449 --> 00:57:03.898
Who knows?

00:57:04.259 --> 00:57:07.858
Um, so like, describe little Julian.

00:57:07.858 --> 00:57:10.108
Were you a good student?

00:57:10.108 --> 00:57:11.759
Were you a athlete?

00:57:11.759 --> 00:57:13.588
Were you a kissing all the girls?

00:57:13.588 --> 00:57:17.398
Like what was the Yeah, no, just, um, what do you remember about yourself back then?

00:57:17.458 --> 00:57:18.389
Yeah, good student.

00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:23.548
Um, calm, quiet.

00:57:24.554 --> 00:57:31.724
Um, hey, sports, does everybody play soccer in France too, or is that Yeah, but it was not at, um, competitive level.

00:57:31.873 --> 00:57:32.264
Okay.

00:57:32.414 --> 00:57:37.273
But the minute we went to recess, we're picking up the ball.

00:57:37.514 --> 00:57:37.873
Yeah.

00:57:37.873 --> 00:57:37.934
Yeah.

00:57:37.934 --> 00:57:40.278
And, and until the last second.

00:57:40.548 --> 00:57:40.838
Yeah.

00:57:41.204 --> 00:57:42.014
Gotcha, gotcha.

00:57:42.014 --> 00:57:45.434
So that's kind of the national sport there as many places in Europe, perhaps?

00:57:45.704 --> 00:57:46.123
Yeah.

00:57:46.213 --> 00:57:48.463
Um, basketball also.

00:57:48.494 --> 00:57:48.764
Okay.

00:57:48.853 --> 00:57:51.193
Then rugby, of course, but I, I would.

00:57:51.204 --> 00:57:53.934
And say soccer is, is probably the most popular.

00:57:53.934 --> 00:57:54.083
Yeah.

00:57:54.083 --> 00:57:54.324
Yeah.

00:57:54.864 --> 00:57:56.603
Um, and then like.

00:57:57.554 --> 00:57:59.114
Through all the way through high school.

00:57:59.114 --> 00:58:02.324
And then did you go, did you come to the US for college?

00:58:02.414 --> 00:58:02.864
Yes.

00:58:02.954 --> 00:58:03.344
Okay.

00:58:03.349 --> 00:58:03.418
Yeah.

00:58:03.523 --> 00:58:03.673
Yeah.

00:58:03.673 --> 00:58:04.724
And talk to me about that.

00:58:04.724 --> 00:58:07.153
Like I can't imagine all your friends did that.

00:58:07.813 --> 00:58:08.173
Right?

00:58:08.173 --> 00:58:09.253
One of my friend did.

00:58:09.284 --> 00:58:09.554
Okay.

00:58:09.554 --> 00:58:11.023
That's how he gave me the idea.

00:58:11.083 --> 00:58:11.414
Okay.

00:58:11.414 --> 00:58:13.213
Like the year before or something like that.

00:58:13.244 --> 00:58:13.634
Okay.

00:58:13.753 --> 00:58:14.353
Exactly.

00:58:14.353 --> 00:58:21.074
So talk to me about that kind of transition and thought process and was your mommy terrified to lose her little Julian and all that kind of stuff?

00:58:21.103 --> 00:58:23.324
Yeah, that was, that was hard.

00:58:24.043 --> 00:58:33.074
Um, look, looking back at it, I, I think, I don't know if it was a mix of naivete.

00:58:33.284 --> 00:58:33.614
Hmm.

00:58:34.244 --> 00:58:34.634
Yeah.

00:58:34.693 --> 00:58:38.054
And, um, really wanting to see the world.

00:58:38.054 --> 00:58:38.114
Yeah.

00:58:38.143 --> 00:58:39.434
But when I think about it, I.

00:58:40.469 --> 00:58:41.219
I would not be able to.

00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:42.989
You're kind of surprised you made the decision.

00:58:42.989 --> 00:58:43.648
Oh, very much.

00:58:44.188 --> 00:58:44.579
Okay.

00:58:45.268 --> 00:58:45.688
And talk.

00:58:45.688 --> 00:58:49.648
So like, were you like reflective about it for a while or was it a little bit of an impulse?

00:58:49.648 --> 00:58:52.469
Your, your buddy went, he said it was awesome and you're like, right.

00:58:52.469 --> 00:58:53.009
Sign me up.

00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:55.528
You know, something in between.

00:58:55.588 --> 00:58:55.978
Yeah.

00:58:56.309 --> 00:59:02.338
Well,'cause it doesn't, it cost a ton also to attend college outta the country for international students.

00:59:02.338 --> 00:59:02.699
Kind of.

00:59:02.849 --> 00:59:03.208
Yeah.

00:59:03.329 --> 00:59:06.239
So it's a bigger investment than just going to your hometown university.

00:59:06.268 --> 00:59:06.568
Yeah.

00:59:06.568 --> 00:59:08.458
Big in big investment.

00:59:08.548 --> 00:59:09.298
Um.

00:59:10.829 --> 00:59:13.079
But my parents thought it was worth it.

00:59:13.108 --> 00:59:14.639
My dad being in business.

00:59:14.668 --> 00:59:14.818
Yeah.

00:59:14.818 --> 00:59:21.208
Always thought that I needed to, to master English to of course get a good education.

00:59:21.208 --> 00:59:21.568
Sure.

00:59:21.628 --> 00:59:24.628
Um, education in business.

00:59:25.409 --> 00:59:28.048
Um, so more of an investment.

00:59:28.048 --> 00:59:28.108
Yeah.

00:59:28.108 --> 00:59:30.119
Something that eventually would.

00:59:30.764 --> 00:59:31.304
Pay off.

00:59:31.364 --> 00:59:31.543
Yeah.

00:59:31.543 --> 00:59:31.784
Yeah.

00:59:32.353 --> 00:59:33.673
Um, which I hope it did.

00:59:33.733 --> 00:59:38.804
Did you contemplate returning to France after college or not really once you were here?

00:59:38.804 --> 00:59:39.793
Like, and, and why?

00:59:39.824 --> 00:59:40.784
Talk to me about that.

00:59:42.943 --> 00:59:46.543
Um, it just really didn't occur to me.

00:59:46.574 --> 00:59:48.824
It felt good if it's good living here.

00:59:48.824 --> 00:59:49.934
I mean, especially now.

00:59:49.938 --> 00:59:50.119
Yeah.

00:59:50.123 --> 00:59:50.353
Yeah.

00:59:50.353 --> 00:59:51.643
25 years down the road.

00:59:52.094 --> 00:59:52.634
Um.

00:59:54.989 --> 01:00:00.268
I didn't contemplate it at at the time, and the longer I stayed, the less likely I became.

01:00:00.268 --> 01:00:00.599
Yeah.

01:00:00.778 --> 01:00:01.048
Yeah.

01:00:01.048 --> 01:00:05.759
Because I never lived as an adult in France.

01:00:05.759 --> 01:00:06.148
Fair.

01:00:06.494 --> 01:00:06.784
Yeah.

01:00:06.789 --> 01:00:07.048
Yeah.

01:00:07.318 --> 01:00:10.949
And everything you knew as an adult was already here, kind of.

01:00:10.949 --> 01:00:11.278
Yeah.

01:00:11.338 --> 01:00:12.329
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:12.389 --> 01:00:14.668
Talk to me about the immigration process.

01:00:14.789 --> 01:00:15.088
Um.

01:00:16.003 --> 01:00:18.014
I assume you came like on a student visa at first?

01:00:18.014 --> 01:00:18.074
Yeah.

01:00:18.103 --> 01:00:21.673
And then you're like, Hey, can I stay kind of thing after it's done, or does absolute Does that go down?

01:00:21.764 --> 01:00:22.034
Yeah.

01:00:22.034 --> 01:00:25.003
Student visa, work visa, green card.

01:00:25.003 --> 01:00:28.003
And then now I'm a, I'm a American citizen.

01:00:28.094 --> 01:00:28.543
How long I.

01:00:30.148 --> 01:00:33.418
How long, how long did the process take, or how long have you been a citizen?

01:00:34.018 --> 01:00:36.298
I've been a citizen since 2022.

01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:37.048
Okay.

01:00:37.048 --> 01:00:38.818
So it took quite a while.

01:00:38.969 --> 01:00:39.478
Yeah.

01:00:39.478 --> 01:00:41.338
I mean, and maybe you weren't pushing it the whole time long.

01:00:41.338 --> 01:00:42.599
I got a green card and whatever.

01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:43.018
It's fine.

01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:43.409
Yeah.

01:00:43.498 --> 01:00:47.128
Um, when I had the green card, I was not pushing it.

01:00:47.989 --> 01:00:53.568
If you, if you weren't a citizen yet, would you be nervous after Trump got elected?

01:00:54.318 --> 01:00:59.148
Oh, even if you had a green card, you're like, I dunno, I'm French.

01:01:01.068 --> 01:01:01.429
I plan.

01:01:01.969 --> 01:01:03.949
Um, but I mean, I don't know.

01:01:03.949 --> 01:01:06.108
Were your, were your parents disappointed that you didn't return?

01:01:07.318 --> 01:01:09.239
Do you think, or have you talked to them about They never told me.

01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:09.929
Okay.

01:01:09.989 --> 01:01:12.838
Did they come to visit you, uh, over here pretty regularly?

01:01:12.869 --> 01:01:12.989
Yeah.

01:01:12.989 --> 01:01:13.889
Well, they're here right now.

01:01:13.949 --> 01:01:14.369
Yes.

01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:15.599
Yeah, you mentioned that.

01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.449
And so, but have they done that ev ever since you came here?

01:01:18.509 --> 01:01:19.139
Oh, yes.

01:01:19.349 --> 01:01:21.389
Yeah, very, very frequently.

01:01:21.389 --> 01:01:23.489
So that's, that's been great.

01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.048
Um, they've never thought about.

01:01:25.364 --> 01:01:26.384
Immigrating over to here?

01:01:26.773 --> 01:01:28.873
Or have they, well, not speaking English, I think.

01:01:28.934 --> 01:01:29.264
Right.

01:01:29.264 --> 01:01:29.864
It makes it tough.

01:01:29.864 --> 01:01:30.074
Yeah.

01:01:30.074 --> 01:01:32.264
That's, that really makes it tough.

01:01:32.264 --> 01:01:36.103
But otherwise, and if they spoke Spanish, it would be easier than French at least.

01:01:36.134 --> 01:01:38.893
'cause we have quite a few Spanish speakers around in Colorado at least.

01:01:38.898 --> 01:01:38.978
Yeah.

01:01:39.523 --> 01:01:40.184
Yeah.

01:01:40.514 --> 01:01:42.673
But I think that's, that's what yeah.

01:01:42.764 --> 01:01:43.963
Really stops them.

01:01:43.963 --> 01:01:46.423
And, because otherwise that would be really great.

01:01:46.514 --> 01:01:46.724
Yeah.

01:01:46.728 --> 01:01:46.739
Yeah.

01:01:46.739 --> 01:01:48.043
To, to have them around.

01:01:48.523 --> 01:01:51.284
That's something I was not thinking about 25 years ago.

01:01:51.403 --> 01:01:52.393
You could move them to Quebec.

01:01:53.054 --> 01:01:55.963
Yeah, it's a lot closer than France when you wanna visit.

01:01:55.963 --> 01:01:57.284
That's, the weather's pretty nice.

01:01:57.434 --> 01:01:57.853
Yeah.

01:01:57.884 --> 01:01:59.744
Probably not quite as nice as it is where you came from.

01:01:59.833 --> 01:02:02.804
What is the weather like in that, in that It's actually pretty rainy.

01:02:02.893 --> 01:02:03.583
Oh, is that right?

01:02:03.614 --> 01:02:03.733
Okay.

01:02:03.733 --> 01:02:04.094
Yeah.

01:02:04.153 --> 01:02:05.233
It's not Seattle.

01:02:05.594 --> 01:02:06.134
Yeah.

01:02:06.224 --> 01:02:07.664
Uh, Pacific Northwest Rainy.

01:02:07.664 --> 01:02:11.833
But, um, it's in that kind of yeah.

01:02:11.864 --> 01:02:12.943
Ish realm of.

01:02:13.403 --> 01:02:19.373
Uh, foresty stuff and, and, and pastures and stuff, but that's why there's a lot of cows is'cause the grass grows all the time.

01:02:19.463 --> 01:02:21.233
We sure have very green pastures.

01:02:21.563 --> 01:02:21.864
Fair?

01:02:22.193 --> 01:02:22.583
Fair.

01:02:22.853 --> 01:02:25.673
I mean, it was a beautiful, again, a beautiful.

01:02:26.293 --> 01:02:27.284
Beautiful area.

01:02:27.313 --> 01:02:27.434
Yeah.

01:02:27.434 --> 01:02:30.284
You're not distant in France or where you come from or nothing like that?

01:02:30.284 --> 01:02:30.494
Not at all.

01:02:30.494 --> 01:02:31.574
It just kind of nope.

01:02:31.844 --> 01:02:35.204
Was here and it just didn't really occur to me to But keep growing.

01:02:35.503 --> 01:02:35.983
Yeah.

01:02:36.103 --> 01:02:36.614
Yeah.

01:02:36.614 --> 01:02:42.494
The, the more I was planting my roots and, um, but absolutely not.

01:02:42.494 --> 01:02:42.614
Yeah.

01:02:42.614 --> 01:02:45.014
I think, I think the city where I grew up is beautiful.

01:02:45.454 --> 01:02:46.353
Yeah, little city.

01:02:46.773 --> 01:02:50.373
Um, it's not touristy, but I would recommend.

01:02:50.824 --> 01:02:56.134
Um, and he was just an easy, good quality of life.

01:02:56.224 --> 01:02:56.614
Yeah.

01:02:56.619 --> 01:02:56.648
Yeah.

01:02:56.884 --> 01:03:05.014
So, yeah, it just, I mean, there's no attraction there, but, um, otherwise it's, it was a very good hub upbringing.

01:03:05.114 --> 01:03:11.293
So one thing I wanted to ask you, Julian, is like, how, how does one.

01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.358
Of like, we know how to not have to go see the doctor.

01:03:15.364 --> 01:03:15.673
Mm-hmm.

01:03:15.869 --> 01:03:21.748
You know, you watch your diet, you exercise, you, you know, watch your blood pressure, different things, whatever.

01:03:21.838 --> 01:03:21.929
Yeah.

01:03:21.989 --> 01:03:24.449
And, and you can kind of not have to go see the doctor.

01:03:24.449 --> 01:03:24.509
Yeah.

01:03:24.509 --> 01:03:38.068
How do you not have to go see the therapist as a human living in the world today with the, with World War III and Donald Trump and COVID Nation and all the crazy stuff of the world?

01:03:38.068 --> 01:03:39.869
Like how do we, how do we stay?

01:03:41.143 --> 01:03:45.193
Not that, I mean, that sounds like you're trying, you'd be like ruining, ruining your own business.

01:03:45.193 --> 01:03:46.034
You want as many Oh no.

01:03:46.034 --> 01:03:46.813
Struggling people.

01:03:46.873 --> 01:03:49.603
But I know that your actual goal is to have people not be struggling.

01:03:49.634 --> 01:03:50.023
Yeah.

01:03:50.594 --> 01:03:56.653
So talk to me about, like, talk to me as a, as a human person, like what are some of the things I could do?

01:03:57.793 --> 01:03:58.903
Is it meditation?

01:03:58.934 --> 01:04:00.704
Is it relationships?

01:04:00.704 --> 01:04:01.514
Is it prayer?

01:04:01.514 --> 01:04:02.474
Is it journaling?

01:04:02.474 --> 01:04:04.184
Like what are some of the things I can do?

01:04:04.213 --> 01:04:04.603
Yeah.

01:04:04.634 --> 01:04:09.074
To keep my own mental health, to keep my own garden intended so I don't have to hire a gardener.

01:04:09.659 --> 01:04:11.849
To help me come un uncover some of that stuff.

01:04:11.938 --> 01:04:15.628
Well, first I think that there are life events where you have to hire a gardener.

01:04:15.628 --> 01:04:15.809
Fair.

01:04:17.384 --> 01:04:20.744
If you're going through divorce, you're, you're divorce child just died.

01:04:20.804 --> 01:04:21.224
Yeah.

01:04:21.224 --> 01:04:21.733
Something.

01:04:21.733 --> 01:04:22.423
Hire a gardener.

01:04:22.514 --> 01:04:22.963
Yeah.

01:04:23.233 --> 01:04:23.384
Fair.

01:04:23.384 --> 01:04:32.264
And it can be, it doesn't have to be even that, that can be a child, um, going from childhood to teenagers through puberty.

01:04:32.353 --> 01:04:32.653
Yeah.

01:04:32.684 --> 01:04:35.233
How, how does a parent navigate that?

01:04:35.233 --> 01:04:37.153
Uh, it can be a layoff.

01:04:37.304 --> 01:04:42.943
Um, it's, it can be for multitude of reason that.

01:04:43.903 --> 01:04:45.403
For which you may be okay.

01:04:45.494 --> 01:04:51.389
You, I may be okay to deal with that, but you may not be okay for that same reason and vice, yeah, yeah.

01:04:51.389 --> 01:04:52.094
Vice versa.

01:04:52.094 --> 01:04:55.574
Or one thing that seems relatively modest might throw me for a loop.

01:04:55.634 --> 01:04:56.204
Exactly.

01:04:56.204 --> 01:05:01.304
But something else might totally swing you after you've gone through something even worse.

01:05:01.333 --> 01:05:02.893
Exactly, exactly.

01:05:02.893 --> 01:05:03.134
Yeah.

01:05:03.134 --> 01:05:03.643
Interesting.

01:05:03.643 --> 01:05:03.704
Yeah.

01:05:03.914 --> 01:05:08.443
Um, like my, my wife's mom died, oh my gosh, three years ago now, I guess.

01:05:08.449 --> 01:05:08.588
Mm-hmm.

01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:13.199
And man, it's been hard for, for Jill to just really fully recover.

01:05:13.378 --> 01:05:13.739
Oh, of course.

01:05:13.739 --> 01:05:15.659
You know, and she was, she was my hero too.

01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:16.768
I mean, I loved that woman.

01:05:16.949 --> 01:05:17.429
Yeah.

01:05:17.518 --> 01:05:25.438
Um, but I've lost, you know, my own grandparents or other family or whatever and not been nearly as fd, you know?

01:05:25.648 --> 01:05:29.188
Um, anyway, so, so, so being.

01:05:30.449 --> 01:05:38.548
Acknowledging that kind of some of these events, and how do you recognize if it's time, I guess, and I know that's probably an internal question, but Oh yeah.

01:05:38.608 --> 01:05:46.289
Like, like if I have this challenge going on and I'm feeling a little funky or whatever, is that mean just, just sign up?

01:05:46.498 --> 01:05:49.228
Or like how, how do we know?

01:05:50.938 --> 01:05:52.559
I think probably people wait too long.

01:05:52.813 --> 01:05:53.103
Okay.

01:05:54.373 --> 01:05:57.733
So err on the side of not caution, like get in there Yeah.

01:05:57.733 --> 01:05:58.423
And get a tune up.

01:05:58.724 --> 01:05:59.023
Yeah.

01:05:59.083 --> 01:06:01.393
If your brakes are squeaking, like go get'em checked.

01:06:02.264 --> 01:06:02.594
Yeah.

01:06:02.983 --> 01:06:04.244
Um, why not?

01:06:04.813 --> 01:06:05.083
Yeah.

01:06:05.083 --> 01:06:10.213
You, you will have someone to reflect Yeah.

01:06:10.213 --> 01:06:12.884
On, on your situation if, um.

01:06:16.438 --> 01:06:18.628
It's, but it's also a tough decision to take.

01:06:18.653 --> 01:06:18.943
Yeah.

01:06:18.949 --> 01:06:19.168
Yeah.

01:06:19.259 --> 01:06:20.759
The vulnerable decision.

01:06:20.849 --> 01:06:21.568
Uh, yeah.

01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:28.259
Going, going to see, see someone and, and share parts of your life that have been very private.

01:06:28.259 --> 01:06:32.063
And for some, for some people, they, I.

01:06:32.474 --> 01:06:34.454
Again, like we were talking about the stigma.

01:06:35.083 --> 01:06:37.153
It's seen as a, as a failure.

01:06:37.213 --> 01:06:37.695
Yeah, yeah.

01:06:37.934 --> 01:06:38.588
A weakness kind of.

01:06:38.594 --> 01:06:39.853
I wasn't, yeah, yeah.

01:06:40.063 --> 01:06:40.844
A weakness.

01:06:41.264 --> 01:06:43.724
I was not able to to handle my stuff.

01:06:43.753 --> 01:06:44.173
Yeah.

01:06:44.179 --> 01:06:44.188
Yeah.

01:06:45.164 --> 01:06:53.293
One thing that's interesting is like you're mentioned, you're from, I don't know about if you've been active in your Catholic faith.

01:06:53.353 --> 01:06:53.623
Yeah.

01:06:53.623 --> 01:06:55.063
But you went to a Catholic school.

01:06:55.094 --> 01:06:55.244
Mm-hmm.

01:06:55.574 --> 01:06:57.043
And that you have confession, right.

01:06:57.043 --> 01:06:58.153
That tradition of confession.

01:06:58.153 --> 01:06:58.603
Oh yeah.

01:06:59.083 --> 01:06:59.623
And I think.

01:06:59.998 --> 01:07:11.398
Even for our church, you know, we have like, uh, marriage counseling things and our pastors and chaplains kind of serve a therapist type function in the military, for example.

01:07:11.429 --> 01:07:11.608
Oh yeah.

01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:12.028
Right.

01:07:14.068 --> 01:07:20.608
Um, but what does, like, how do I wanna say this quite right.

01:07:20.818 --> 01:07:23.849
Um, like has the decline of.

01:07:24.688 --> 01:07:35.579
Organized religion increased the demand for therapists and stuff like do priests and pastors and reverends and elders and stuff like that.

01:07:35.579 --> 01:07:42.599
Like it seems like a lot of times in, you know, if I imagine the world a hundred years ago, that was where the people got there.

01:07:42.688 --> 01:07:42.869
Yeah.

01:07:42.869 --> 01:07:43.829
Mental healthcare.

01:07:43.918 --> 01:07:44.248
Yeah.

01:07:44.309 --> 01:07:44.878
Right.

01:07:45.809 --> 01:07:49.018
Um, and now less people go to church and more people go to therapy.

01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.599
In comparison, probably, um.

01:07:52.768 --> 01:07:54.208
Is it better now?

01:07:54.478 --> 01:07:59.159
Like, I mean, those priests weren't really trained in what your people are trained in.

01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.329
It's a whole different field, right?

01:08:00.329 --> 01:08:00.719
Yeah.

01:08:01.708 --> 01:08:06.929
Um, but it also allows a little bit more relational and openness.

01:08:06.929 --> 01:08:07.108
You know?

01:08:07.108 --> 01:08:13.679
I think maybe that's some of the barriers that people have built up in, I guess we'll call it modern society, right?

01:08:13.708 --> 01:08:14.039
Yeah.

01:08:14.068 --> 01:08:15.329
Like you used to be a member of a church.

01:08:16.048 --> 01:08:25.798
And if your mental health started going a little sideways or whatever, you just wanted to talk to somebody, you'd go talk to the priest and people would see you like walking to the church and talking to the priest on a Tuesday afternoon.

01:08:26.189 --> 01:08:35.128
And it was a lot more, I mean, it's not like the priest would be spilling the beans about what you were talking about, but it was a, it was more of a kind of a open thing and then it kind of, I don't know.

01:08:35.128 --> 01:08:37.649
It depends on the culture, so many different cultures around.

01:08:38.038 --> 01:08:38.429
Yeah.

01:08:38.429 --> 01:08:40.439
I think, um.

01:08:42.974 --> 01:08:54.823
What has, what has played a role if, um, and I don't know about organized re religion, how it is compared to several years ago, the amount of, of people going to, going to church.

01:08:55.094 --> 01:08:55.333
Yeah.

01:08:55.363 --> 01:08:57.823
But I think a long, slow down trend mostly.

01:08:57.823 --> 01:08:57.854
Okay.

01:08:58.184 --> 01:08:59.234
So what, um.

01:09:00.958 --> 01:09:04.798
I'm coming back to the actual first question that you, that you asked me about.

01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.798
What, um, what would be some self-care routines to, to become more, more resilient?

01:09:11.488 --> 01:09:15.179
Um, well, I think church created a community.

01:09:15.238 --> 01:09:15.359
Yeah.

01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:16.408
Being a part of a community.

01:09:16.408 --> 01:09:18.958
Being a part of community, whether it's a church mm-hmm.

01:09:19.198 --> 01:09:23.548
Or even a local think tank chapter or a neighborhood association, or Exactly.

01:09:23.548 --> 01:09:24.988
Something chess club.

01:09:25.168 --> 01:09:25.679
Yeah.

01:09:25.828 --> 01:09:28.559
And we definitely see a decline on that.

01:09:28.604 --> 01:09:28.663
Mm.

01:09:29.264 --> 01:09:37.243
So, um, with the decline of, um, people being involved in, in religious communities.

01:09:37.288 --> 01:09:37.578
Yeah.

01:09:37.583 --> 01:09:37.724
Yeah.

01:09:37.814 --> 01:09:43.394
Then there is a decline in the togetherness of people.

01:09:43.423 --> 01:09:43.694
Yeah.

01:09:43.694 --> 01:09:46.453
Which we know, um, creates.

01:09:46.543 --> 01:09:46.814
Um.

01:09:48.463 --> 01:09:51.779
It treats loneliness, which then can lead to depress.

01:09:51.779 --> 01:09:56.969
Well, everybody that does something terrible, like these school shootings and stuff like that, they're almost all isolated.

01:09:57.179 --> 01:09:57.779
Oh, yeah.

01:09:57.868 --> 01:10:00.029
You know, and so I think that's probably true.

01:10:00.059 --> 01:10:00.298
Yeah.

01:10:00.538 --> 01:10:01.649
Be part of any community.

01:10:01.649 --> 01:10:04.559
There's an old book that was talked about in this podcast years ago.

01:10:05.128 --> 01:10:06.389
Uh, join or Die.

01:10:06.793 --> 01:10:07.243
Oh yeah.

01:10:07.363 --> 01:10:07.934
Have you heard of it?

01:10:08.024 --> 01:10:08.354
No.

01:10:08.594 --> 01:10:20.713
It's kind of like, it's talking about things like Rotary Club and Oma and the jcs and churches and stuff, and nobody's really a part of anything and it's like causing people to die, literally.

01:10:20.984 --> 01:10:21.253
Yeah.

01:10:21.253 --> 01:10:23.503
It's, it's becoming very problematic.

01:10:23.684 --> 01:10:24.073
Yeah.

01:10:24.073 --> 01:10:24.134
Yeah.

01:10:24.344 --> 01:10:30.493
Um, that, that isolation leading to loneliness and, and declining in mental health.

01:10:30.493 --> 01:10:30.613
Hmm.

01:10:30.764 --> 01:10:31.213
Interesting.

01:10:32.083 --> 01:10:33.884
Are you ready for the random questions segment.

01:10:33.944 --> 01:10:36.524
I do you have a choice?

01:10:36.823 --> 01:10:37.033
No.

01:10:38.144 --> 01:10:40.604
So you're gonna pick three of these ping pong balls.

01:10:40.604 --> 01:10:40.634
Okay.

01:10:40.634 --> 01:10:43.904
And you can just grab that whole jar if you wanna just set it beside you or something.

01:10:43.904 --> 01:10:44.623
Or just grab three.

01:10:44.623 --> 01:10:44.654
Okay.

01:10:45.073 --> 01:10:45.554
Either way.

01:10:46.184 --> 01:10:46.423
Okay.

01:10:46.423 --> 01:10:48.014
I'll grab, you can route one at a time.

01:10:48.104 --> 01:10:48.764
I like it one at time.

01:10:48.764 --> 01:10:49.123
I like it.

01:10:49.753 --> 01:10:49.904
Okay.

01:10:49.904 --> 01:10:50.804
I'm not looking the deep.

01:10:50.863 --> 01:10:51.043
Yeah.

01:10:51.043 --> 01:10:52.873
We'll get the, get the tough ones.

01:10:52.904 --> 01:10:53.863
Number five.

01:10:53.863 --> 01:10:54.073
Huh?

01:10:56.684 --> 01:10:57.373
I like this one.

01:10:57.793 --> 01:11:01.423
What, what's the most important lesson you've learned from failure?

01:11:05.594 --> 01:11:08.894
Is there such a thing as failure as long as you learn a lesson?

01:11:08.894 --> 01:11:10.304
Not necessarily, I suppose.

01:11:10.724 --> 01:11:10.783
Yeah.

01:11:10.844 --> 01:11:12.344
But what seemed like a failure at the time?

01:11:12.344 --> 01:11:15.373
Perhaps what seemed like a failure at the time?

01:11:15.493 --> 01:11:26.113
Um, using it as a way to learn to not do that same, do not do, do the same thing.

01:11:26.118 --> 01:11:26.338
Yeah.

01:11:26.344 --> 01:11:26.594
Yeah.

01:11:26.623 --> 01:11:30.944
Um, what I learned about failure is that that's when I learned the most.

01:11:31.408 --> 01:11:31.559
Hmm.

01:11:32.338 --> 01:11:36.298
During, during those, those situations, the moments immediately after, pardon?

01:11:36.448 --> 01:11:38.698
The moments immediately after the failure?

01:11:38.759 --> 01:11:39.149
Uh, yeah.

01:11:39.149 --> 01:11:40.708
The moment and leading up to the next effort.

01:11:41.038 --> 01:11:41.248
Yeah.

01:11:41.248 --> 01:11:42.929
The moment, immediately after the failure.

01:11:42.929 --> 01:11:43.109
Yeah.

01:11:43.109 --> 01:11:43.889
It's painful.

01:11:43.889 --> 01:11:44.863
Sure, sure, sure.

01:11:45.628 --> 01:11:46.498
It's painful.

01:11:46.498 --> 01:11:47.429
It's gonna happen.

01:11:47.429 --> 01:11:48.868
It's gonna happen in business.

01:11:49.769 --> 01:11:56.399
Um, it's, uh, we're just talking about loneliness.

01:11:56.609 --> 01:11:58.738
That's where having people around you.

01:11:58.769 --> 01:11:59.908
Hmm mm-hmm.

01:12:00.238 --> 01:12:03.179
To provide that support can and even perspective.

01:12:03.208 --> 01:12:03.628
Yeah.

01:12:03.748 --> 01:12:06.988
Hey, you might be feeling like you failed right now, but yeah.

01:12:07.019 --> 01:12:07.979
Look at all you've learned.

01:12:08.519 --> 01:12:08.939
Yeah.

01:12:08.998 --> 01:12:11.668
Being, being tremendously helpful.

01:12:11.668 --> 01:12:12.238
So, yeah.

01:12:12.779 --> 01:12:16.828
Um, failure, pain hurts.

01:12:16.889 --> 01:12:17.248
Sure.

01:12:17.368 --> 01:12:28.349
Um, and, and, um, I think yeah, community can be the, the most helpful to maybe damper the.

01:12:29.009 --> 01:12:29.819
The pain.

01:12:29.939 --> 01:12:30.208
Yeah.

01:12:30.238 --> 01:12:38.338
And, um, and then at, at least in business at least,'cause failure is a kind of a big Yeah, right.

01:12:38.819 --> 01:12:42.958
Um, a big term I was looking at failure more for the, the business standpoint.

01:12:42.963 --> 01:12:43.054
Fair.

01:12:43.059 --> 01:12:43.378
Fair.

01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:44.128
How?

01:12:44.488 --> 01:12:44.908
Yeah.

01:12:46.288 --> 01:12:47.878
How can I take responsibility?

01:12:50.099 --> 01:12:50.759
Um, yeah.

01:12:50.759 --> 01:12:51.868
How did I contribute to this?

01:12:52.019 --> 01:12:52.288
Yeah.

01:12:52.918 --> 01:12:54.599
How did I, how did I contribute to this?

01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:55.984
So I don't.

01:12:56.788 --> 01:12:57.418
Contribute to it.

01:12:57.418 --> 01:13:06.779
Again, one of the, uh, quips I make occasionally about, uh, why Loco Think, think is cool is, uh, it's nice to learn from the mistakes of others occasionally instead of just your own.

01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:07.708
Oh, yeah.

01:13:07.828 --> 01:13:08.009
Yeah.

01:13:08.639 --> 01:13:09.658
Alright, grab the next ball.

01:13:09.748 --> 01:13:10.019
Okay.

01:13:13.109 --> 01:13:13.588
15.

01:13:17.338 --> 01:13:22.469
What was the last thing you Googled, or the last meme you downloaded?

01:13:23.309 --> 01:13:25.738
The last thing I Googled, well, let me tell you.

01:13:25.738 --> 01:13:25.798
I.

01:13:29.833 --> 01:13:30.673
What's your last thing?

01:13:30.738 --> 01:13:42.673
I, last last thing I googled was, uh, your address, because I forgot where it was on the calendar, where the, the, the reasonable local think tank where the chapter meeting was gonna be here today.

01:13:42.884 --> 01:13:45.043
What, where the chapter meeting was gonna be today.

01:13:45.073 --> 01:13:45.344
Oh no.

01:13:45.764 --> 01:13:47.384
I knew he was gonna be here, but I forgot.

01:13:47.474 --> 01:13:47.654
Right.

01:13:47.654 --> 01:13:49.573
We were, which, uh, which road to turn from?

01:13:49.573 --> 01:13:50.444
From Riverside.

01:13:50.894 --> 01:13:51.404
Very good.

01:13:51.493 --> 01:13:54.644
Um, what's your social media of choice?

01:13:54.759 --> 01:13:55.333
Do you do that?

01:13:55.979 --> 01:13:58.288
Do you go on X or Facebook or Instagram?

01:13:58.288 --> 01:13:58.349
No.

01:13:58.349 --> 01:13:59.099
Or any of those?

01:13:59.248 --> 01:14:08.099
Um, I use Facebook, um, only for, um, therapy group, especially as we're going to, to new, new cities.

01:14:08.368 --> 01:14:11.698
So last thing I Googled What, what spies go on.

01:14:11.698 --> 01:14:12.238
Broccoli.

01:14:12.838 --> 01:14:14.069
Oh, on broccoli?

01:14:14.099 --> 01:14:14.338
Yeah.

01:14:14.668 --> 01:14:15.599
I think just salt.

01:14:16.069 --> 01:14:16.359
Yeah.

01:14:16.578 --> 01:14:17.639
At least what for me?

01:14:17.639 --> 01:14:17.878
Yeah.

01:14:17.878 --> 01:14:19.363
That's maybe lemon pepper or something too.

01:14:19.363 --> 01:14:19.453
Mm-hmm.

01:14:19.934 --> 01:14:22.064
Yeah, that's exactly what Google told me.

01:14:22.363 --> 01:14:25.514
See, I just ask me from now on, you're, you're walking Google.

01:14:26.323 --> 01:14:31.274
One more, one more ping pong ball and uh, we'll move on to the local experience.

01:14:31.304 --> 01:14:31.634
Okay.

01:14:32.024 --> 01:14:32.474
Hold on.

01:14:33.823 --> 01:14:36.373
Drinking your Very delicious Yes.

01:14:36.373 --> 01:14:37.123
Blood orange.

01:14:37.123 --> 01:14:38.054
It's nice water.

01:14:38.234 --> 01:14:43.033
That, that, that, uh, that bubble water, which is what, what brand is that again?

01:14:44.173 --> 01:14:44.654
I forget.

01:14:44.894 --> 01:14:52.963
Anyway, it's colored, like most of the bubble water doesn't have any color to it, but I like actually having something to look at instead of just a ghost of orange.

01:14:53.354 --> 01:14:54.253
The transparency.

01:14:54.283 --> 01:14:54.823
Yeah.

01:14:55.213 --> 01:14:57.283
Uh, number two, no, 27.

01:15:00.043 --> 01:15:00.314
Right.

01:15:00.493 --> 01:15:00.764
Yep.

01:15:01.033 --> 01:15:01.184
Seven.

01:15:02.349 --> 01:15:03.043
Do you have a question?

01:15:03.043 --> 01:15:03.434
27.

01:15:03.434 --> 01:15:05.144
I'm gonna ask you number two first though.

01:15:05.144 --> 01:15:06.283
'cause this one's too funny.

01:15:06.434 --> 01:15:07.363
Ava, on this one.

01:15:07.993 --> 01:15:09.583
So I'm gonna get four questions.

01:15:09.583 --> 01:15:10.184
Four questions.

01:15:10.184 --> 01:15:10.423
Yeah.

01:15:10.423 --> 01:15:13.243
I just wanted, I just, I'm gonna come back for 27.

01:15:13.814 --> 01:15:27.104
Uh, would you rather Ava, if it's a bad question that's I'm blaming you, would you rather fight one horse size duck or 100 duck size horses?

01:15:28.184 --> 01:15:29.444
Think about it for a second.

01:15:29.743 --> 01:15:32.894
Yeah, that, that's a heck of a radar.

01:15:34.094 --> 01:15:34.934
So say that again.

01:15:34.934 --> 01:15:46.094
Would you rather fight one horse sized duck or 100 duck sized horses, a huge duck, or a bunch of small horses?

01:15:49.229 --> 01:15:52.154
I would think of it as just like a my little pony smashing session.

01:15:55.408 --> 01:15:57.628
Um, kicking horses all over the place.

01:15:59.128 --> 01:16:07.738
'cause they don't have like that, that big duck is gonna have a gigantic, like even little ducks have like a thumb sized bill.

01:16:08.069 --> 01:16:08.548
Yeah.

01:16:08.609 --> 01:16:13.019
So a horse sized duck would probably be able to take your whole head in then just kill you.

01:16:13.048 --> 01:16:19.559
Whereas a duck sized horse, like horses have kind of little nibbler mouse in comparison.

01:16:19.559 --> 01:16:22.588
So I think they would nip you a lot, but how are they gonna actually hurt you?

01:16:25.349 --> 01:16:25.979
Heard, I think.

01:16:25.979 --> 01:16:31.288
I think, I think this is truly the craziest question I've ever been asked, but you still have to answer.

01:16:31.288 --> 01:16:31.559
Yeah.

01:16:31.559 --> 01:16:33.149
That's the real, oh, I still have to answer.

01:16:33.149 --> 01:16:33.418
Yeah.

01:16:33.423 --> 01:16:33.453
Yeah.

01:16:33.458 --> 01:16:39.418
One duck size horse, or one or no one horse size duck, or 100 ducks size horses, you know that.

01:16:39.418 --> 01:16:40.769
I will remember that question.

01:16:40.769 --> 01:16:43.168
For the rest of my life, it's gonna h haunt me.

01:16:43.168 --> 01:16:44.519
I hope so the rest of my life.

01:16:44.548 --> 01:16:45.059
You're welcome.

01:16:45.493 --> 01:16:51.884
Um, I would've said neither because I probably would be hiding at home trying to answer that question.

01:16:52.363 --> 01:16:53.623
Um, I don't know.

01:16:53.833 --> 01:16:58.484
Um, a hundred was that little horses?

01:16:58.543 --> 01:16:58.873
Yeah.

01:16:59.054 --> 01:16:59.474
Yeah.

01:17:00.854 --> 01:17:00.884
Okay.

01:17:00.884 --> 01:17:07.064
Have you seen the, uh, the 100 men against a gorilla, uh, memes online at all lately?

01:17:07.064 --> 01:17:07.363
No.

01:17:08.384 --> 01:17:12.253
There's, so there's this meme or a joke or whatever, like.

01:17:12.958 --> 01:17:19.259
You know who would win in a fight, a gorilla or 100 men, and it got running around for a while.

01:17:19.259 --> 01:17:24.389
And then there's all these jokes where these women are like, honey, I signed you up for a new contract job.

01:17:25.019 --> 01:17:29.158
All you have to be is one of 100 men that that fight a gorilla.

01:17:29.173 --> 01:17:33.224
And his husband is like, who's gonna be first?

01:17:33.224 --> 01:17:33.884
Like Yeah.

01:17:35.054 --> 01:17:35.953
How does that go down?

01:17:35.984 --> 01:17:37.453
Oh, it's one after the other.

01:17:37.453 --> 01:17:39.194
It's not 100 at a time.

01:17:39.194 --> 01:17:40.394
Well, or a hundred at a time.

01:17:40.394 --> 01:17:41.984
But still, who rushes the gorilla?

01:17:41.984 --> 01:17:53.173
Like, I'm gonna be one of the 20 dudes that just kind of stand back a little bit and see how the first 80 fair probably, or like a rugby type of, uh, basically yeah, when you got the rugby guy and there's Andre the Giant in the game.

01:17:53.264 --> 01:17:53.833
Oh yeah.

01:17:54.163 --> 01:17:55.033
Um, okay.

01:17:55.033 --> 01:17:55.628
So 27.

01:17:57.463 --> 01:18:00.404
What's the strangest way you've ever injured yourself?

01:18:02.444 --> 01:18:03.014
Oh God.

01:18:03.014 --> 01:18:03.073
Um.

01:18:10.663 --> 01:18:16.604
I will tell you several, which is, which is me bumping myself against furniture.

01:18:16.604 --> 01:18:16.724
Oh yes.

01:18:16.844 --> 01:18:22.123
And then three days later I'm look at my leg and where's this, where coming from?

01:18:22.543 --> 01:18:25.064
And I don't know, I guess I'm getting older.

01:18:25.094 --> 01:18:29.804
'cause yeah, my hips right here have a lot of bruises on him from taking corners too tight and stuff.

01:18:30.104 --> 01:18:31.123
Do you think it's old age?

01:18:32.564 --> 01:18:36.793
Yeah, I suppose like we're just not as connected to our bodies as we used to be.

01:18:36.854 --> 01:18:37.154
Yeah.

01:18:37.154 --> 01:18:37.783
Awareness wise.

01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:38.759
Yeah.

01:18:38.849 --> 01:18:43.048
And you're like, Ugh, I didn't even barely remember bumping then I got this big old bruise there now.

01:18:43.408 --> 01:18:49.769
Yeah, that's, I, I keep doing that, um, outta frequency that I wish I was not doing it.

01:18:49.769 --> 01:18:54.298
So weirdest is bumping into furniture, just random bruises that you don't know where they came from.

01:18:54.389 --> 01:18:54.809
Yeah.

01:18:55.019 --> 01:18:58.844
I'm not gonna sound daily basis, but all too often for my taste.

01:18:59.113 --> 01:19:00.043
Fair, fair.

01:19:00.663 --> 01:19:03.509
Um, and the loco experience is our closing segment.

01:19:47.755 --> 01:19:54.744
And, uh, I know you're a little shy, but I know you've got that one crazy experience from high school or something, that it's not shyness.

01:19:54.774 --> 01:19:56.545
No, I cannot think about it.

01:19:56.545 --> 01:19:56.875
Really.

01:19:56.875 --> 01:19:58.555
You don't have any crazy experiences?

01:19:59.215 --> 01:20:00.595
Well, this has been pretty crazy.

01:20:00.595 --> 01:20:06.954
Like I, your payroll has gone from like$3,000 a month to a lot.

01:20:06.954 --> 01:20:07.975
I don't know how much.

01:20:08.305 --> 01:20:08.875
A lot.

01:20:08.935 --> 01:20:09.414
Yeah.

01:20:10.255 --> 01:20:12.444
300,000 a month or some dumb thing.

01:20:12.715 --> 01:20:16.960
Craziest experience, um, I would say I'm.

01:20:18.659 --> 01:20:32.579
I tend to be pretty risk averse on a day-to-day basis, but they are of course the two biggest, crazy, wild rides have been mo me moving to the US and me opening.

01:20:33.074 --> 01:20:33.645
Momentum.

01:20:33.704 --> 01:20:33.824
Mm-hmm.

01:20:34.515 --> 01:20:46.034
Um, like I said, I don't know what got through me to move to a different country having basic Were you kind of that same risk averse young man and stuff too?

01:20:46.064 --> 01:20:46.244
Yeah.

01:20:46.244 --> 01:20:47.805
Like that was still outta character?

01:20:47.835 --> 01:20:48.225
Yeah.

01:20:48.404 --> 01:20:48.885
Yeah.

01:20:49.244 --> 01:20:54.765
Looking back, I don't know what got through my head that I thought with.

01:20:55.125 --> 01:21:03.345
Very basic academic knowledge of the English language that I could move to, to a different country.

01:21:03.795 --> 01:21:06.404
But at the end of the day, it worked out.

01:21:06.465 --> 01:21:09.354
Yeah, it worked out nicely, but that was, uh, was rough.

01:21:09.375 --> 01:21:16.095
How long did it take you to feel comfortable in the US and, and especially as far as your communication went?

01:21:16.305 --> 01:21:17.864
Fluency, communication.

01:21:17.864 --> 01:21:20.055
I think it got better.

01:21:20.114 --> 01:21:21.015
It didn't get.

01:21:21.015 --> 01:21:23.114
Yeah, perfect.

01:21:23.204 --> 01:21:24.194
Very or very high level.

01:21:24.194 --> 01:21:25.364
Well, you still talk kind of funny.

01:21:25.425 --> 01:21:26.265
Yeah, yeah, I know.

01:21:26.414 --> 01:21:26.925
It's fine.

01:21:27.465 --> 01:21:29.744
But you can say the thing I can't, so Yeah.

01:21:30.555 --> 01:21:33.104
Um, I would say after one semester, okay.

01:21:33.104 --> 01:21:36.045
It got much better, much better.

01:21:36.194 --> 01:21:39.524
And then it kept increasing maybe over the next.

01:21:42.435 --> 01:21:44.354
Two couple of years maybe.

01:21:44.385 --> 01:21:44.625
Yeah.

01:21:44.864 --> 01:21:47.175
But there was a big jump kind of by the time you Yeah.

01:21:47.175 --> 01:21:48.704
The first six months was huge.

01:21:48.704 --> 01:21:50.505
And then Exactly, yeah.

01:21:50.505 --> 01:21:54.614
You kind of topped out there right after college and didn't really lose much of your accident after that.

01:21:55.364 --> 01:21:55.935
Yeah, it was.

01:21:56.024 --> 01:21:56.925
What did you say?

01:21:57.015 --> 01:21:57.795
What did you say?

01:21:58.215 --> 01:21:58.814
I like it.

01:21:58.814 --> 01:22:00.555
I don't, we don't have very many.

01:22:00.944 --> 01:22:05.085
I know probably about a half dozen French immigrants in Fort Collins here.

01:22:05.085 --> 01:22:07.005
A few that have different businesses.

01:22:07.005 --> 01:22:10.755
A property management company is owned by a couple of a French couple in town here.

01:22:10.814 --> 01:22:11.114
Oh, really?

01:22:11.114 --> 01:22:11.984
Some stuff, yeah.

01:22:11.984 --> 01:22:13.064
I'll probably have to try to figure out.

01:22:13.515 --> 01:22:15.435
I can make you some introductions if you've been missing.

01:22:15.609 --> 01:22:18.015
Do you have anybody to talk French with when your parents aren't here?

01:22:18.869 --> 01:22:20.279
Um, Nope.

01:22:20.609 --> 01:22:28.619
Oh, well, uh, you guys follow Julian on LinkedIn and, and send him a message if you're a native French speaker or even just getting good at it.

01:22:28.649 --> 01:22:29.550
You wanna have Yeah.

01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:31.020
Phone calls, practice phone calls.

01:22:31.229 --> 01:22:36.359
I know for, for Lenny, our exchange student, like he really missed just talking and finish.

01:22:37.109 --> 01:22:40.920
He would talk to his parents once a week for half an hour or something like that.

01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:40.979
Yeah.

01:22:40.979 --> 01:22:44.819
But otherwise there was nobody to talk to in Finn, hardly.

01:22:45.329 --> 01:22:50.369
Uh, for me it was very draining, very mentally draining at first.

01:22:50.489 --> 01:22:50.789
Yeah.

01:22:50.819 --> 01:22:52.710
To be speaking a different language.

01:22:52.710 --> 01:22:53.760
Translating everything.

01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:54.119
Yeah.

01:22:54.300 --> 01:22:55.890
Translating everything in my head.

01:22:56.189 --> 01:22:57.569
That was, um, I.

01:22:58.470 --> 01:22:58.829
Yeah.

01:22:59.069 --> 01:23:00.810
And you do everything in English now.

01:23:00.810 --> 01:23:00.869
Yeah.

01:23:00.930 --> 01:23:02.399
Like your dreams are in English.

01:23:02.430 --> 01:23:02.699
Yeah.

01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:04.050
Your thoughts come in English first.

01:23:04.050 --> 01:23:05.340
You don't have to translate that stuff.

01:23:05.369 --> 01:23:05.970
Exactly.

01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:12.569
Once in a while you're looking for a perfect word and you're like, whatever the French word of this is, I suppose, but it's more the opposite.

01:23:12.630 --> 01:23:13.229
Oh really?

01:23:13.229 --> 01:23:13.590
Yeah.

01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:14.159
Yeah.

01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:21.989
Because, um, especially with words that are more technical maybe in the industry kind of relative.

01:23:22.020 --> 01:23:22.289
Yeah.

01:23:22.770 --> 01:23:23.100
Ex.

01:23:23.159 --> 01:23:23.909
Exactly.

01:23:23.970 --> 01:23:24.689
Then.

01:23:25.710 --> 01:23:28.739
I have a hard time explaining that to, to my parents.

01:23:28.744 --> 01:23:29.520
Sure, sure.

01:23:29.579 --> 01:23:33.689
Because that has replaced, um, the English world.

01:23:33.689 --> 01:23:43.590
It's not that it has replaced something that existed, that existed for me before, but it was kind of defined And it was defined kind of in English for you as far as that goes.

01:23:43.590 --> 01:23:43.739
Yes.

01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:44.250
Interesting.

01:23:44.310 --> 01:23:44.550
Yeah.

01:23:44.939 --> 01:23:50.159
Um, and like as far as the momentum experience goes, yeah.

01:23:50.909 --> 01:23:53.100
You know, you could have just stopped hiring people.

01:23:53.579 --> 01:24:01.229
I could after two or three or four or 10 or, you know, like, did it just not seem risky?

01:24:02.729 --> 01:24:13.529
Um, along that journey it failed very natural.

01:24:13.710 --> 01:24:14.039
Okay.

01:24:14.130 --> 01:24:16.829
Um, we had the clients.

01:24:17.819 --> 01:24:22.050
Um, uh, I didn't want to turn them away.

01:24:22.170 --> 01:24:22.439
Yeah.

01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:25.439
So I kept, I kept hiring.

01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:25.529
Yeah.

01:24:25.619 --> 01:24:28.199
And you knew that some other places weren't as good as you were already?

01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:28.739
Pardon me?

01:24:28.890 --> 01:24:29.595
You knew that some other.

01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:35.220
Firms weren't as, weren't doing as good as stuff like you wanted do things different and better.

01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:35.550
Yeah.

01:24:35.550 --> 01:24:36.779
Not, not necessarily.

01:24:36.779 --> 01:24:39.989
I think that there is a great community of therapist.

01:24:40.229 --> 01:24:40.260
Mm.

01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:42.359
So it's almost like a No Child Left Behind.

01:24:42.539 --> 01:24:42.869
Yeah.

01:24:42.989 --> 01:24:44.970
We wanna be able to provide service for everybody that wants it.

01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:45.300
Yeah.

01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:45.750
Needs it.

01:24:45.869 --> 01:24:46.289
Yeah.

01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:47.039
Has insurance.

01:24:48.630 --> 01:24:48.810
Yeah.

01:24:48.899 --> 01:24:49.380
Virtually.

01:24:49.590 --> 01:24:50.069
Yeah.

01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:50.939
Or Medicaid.

01:24:51.510 --> 01:24:57.359
Um, so it, it felt like it was a natural progression.

01:24:57.359 --> 01:24:58.439
We have the clients.

01:25:00.630 --> 01:25:06.180
Enough to, to provide enough clients to our current therapist.

01:25:06.210 --> 01:25:06.270
Yeah.

01:25:06.270 --> 01:25:08.220
Therefore provide them enough income.

01:25:08.819 --> 01:25:09.090
Yep.

01:25:09.449 --> 01:25:11.250
Then let's, let's keep going.

01:25:11.250 --> 01:25:12.210
We have young therapists.

01:25:12.210 --> 01:25:13.020
Young interns, yep.

01:25:13.020 --> 01:25:13.920
That need more hours.

01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:16.140
We've got supervisors with enough capacity.

01:25:16.170 --> 01:25:16.560
Yeah.

01:25:16.979 --> 01:25:17.789
Let's just keep rolling.

01:25:18.060 --> 01:25:18.600
Exactly.

01:25:19.020 --> 01:25:19.710
Exactly.

01:25:20.100 --> 01:25:23.819
I mean, I'll tell you like my first two, three employees.

01:25:24.930 --> 01:25:26.970
There were some days I was pretty hard.

01:25:26.970 --> 01:25:28.170
Like, what did I do?

01:25:28.170 --> 01:25:29.670
I just hired this person.

01:25:29.670 --> 01:25:39.239
I have no clue if it's gonna keep going because it's not, because we have, we have a lot of clients now that will have enough clients for, for this person.

01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:44.010
And they, they trusted me with, with their job.

01:25:45.114 --> 01:25:45.404
Yeah.

01:25:45.409 --> 01:25:45.449
Yeah.

01:25:45.449 --> 01:25:47.640
And eventually it worked out.

01:25:48.119 --> 01:25:48.689
Worked out.

01:25:48.694 --> 01:25:48.965
Yeah.

01:25:49.034 --> 01:25:49.324
Cool.

01:25:49.595 --> 01:25:50.524
Well, I've been impressed.

01:25:50.704 --> 01:25:52.020
Uh, it's really neat to see.

01:25:52.020 --> 01:25:53.760
I was a banker for a long time.

01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:54.359
I don't know.

01:25:55.170 --> 01:25:59.100
I don't remember if I've ever seen a company grow quite as fast, like from a Oh really?

01:25:59.130 --> 01:26:00.659
From a year over year revenue growth.

01:26:00.659 --> 01:26:03.060
And it's just un, it's just unusual, you know?

01:26:03.060 --> 01:26:06.569
Even the OtterBox dude was like, yeah, we're a 30 year overnight success.

01:26:06.569 --> 01:26:12.510
You know, they, they went 20 years until they really caught fire and hit that hockey stick, but they never really, you know, it wasn't just a.

01:26:12.829 --> 01:26:15.319
We started and everybody wanted our stuff right away, so.

01:26:15.590 --> 01:26:16.520
Oh, I didn't know that.

01:26:17.210 --> 01:26:18.500
No, I mean, I thought it was a newer company.

01:26:18.710 --> 01:26:19.430
Oh, no, no.

01:26:19.430 --> 01:26:22.460
It was around for 20 years, at least before it started really getting popular.

01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:22.970
Oh.

01:26:22.970 --> 01:26:25.189
So, but he is still got a bigger balance sheet than you.

01:26:25.189 --> 01:26:26.119
You got a long ways to go.

01:26:26.119 --> 01:26:29.449
And he's a manufacturer, so you'll never make his kind of margins probably.

01:26:29.449 --> 01:26:30.260
Yeah, that's okay.

01:26:30.380 --> 01:26:34.520
Yeah, that's, yeah, it's definitely, but you're doing what you wanna do.

01:26:34.935 --> 01:26:39.375
Risky in the, the goods as opposed to, to services, I think.

01:26:39.375 --> 01:26:39.824
Totally.

01:26:39.914 --> 01:26:40.335
Totally.

01:26:40.814 --> 01:26:47.055
I think, um, but yeah, I've loved every minute since, for the past, for the past four years.

01:26:47.085 --> 01:26:47.145
Yeah.

01:26:47.145 --> 01:26:57.944
It's, um, yeah, I Would you ever go back and get like an MBA or something to feel like you've got that business education or you can get everything you need from videos and tutorials and learning.

01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:00.750
Um, first I've been in school too long.

01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:07.050
I really do not want to be, I've got back in school, eight years in school already, so too many schools.

01:27:07.050 --> 01:27:10.439
So if knock on the wood, I don't have to go to school.

01:27:11.100 --> 01:27:11.819
That's, that's good.

01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:20.430
And the idea of business school compared to being in the trenches, right?

01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:23.220
Like, I gotta look at my bank accounts.

01:27:23.220 --> 01:27:24.539
I can get some reports and learn.

01:27:24.689 --> 01:27:26.725
Um, um, I don't think.

01:27:28.890 --> 01:27:30.329
Um, business.

01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:36.960
Is business school gonna teach you, um, how to coach an employee?

01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:37.260
Yeah.

01:27:37.319 --> 01:27:43.470
How to build teams, how to yeah, how, yeah, how to set, build, set up KPIs for every single member of your team.

01:27:43.500 --> 01:27:44.399
Exactly.

01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:48.930
Um, thank you by the way, for how's Good conversation this afternoon.

01:27:48.930 --> 01:27:49.800
Yeah, yeah.

01:27:49.949 --> 01:27:51.750
We just had a conversation earlier.

01:27:51.869 --> 01:27:52.409
Um.

01:27:54.390 --> 01:28:05.100
About if you should go to another market, if, um, if you should offer different services.

01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:09.420
Um, there is a lot more Um hmm.

01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.020
Way to your decisions when it's your own money.

01:28:13.024 --> 01:28:13.649
Totally, totally.

01:28:13.739 --> 01:28:15.180
And it's not a paper.

01:28:15.779 --> 01:28:16.409
A hundred percent.

01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:17.159
Yeah.

01:28:17.579 --> 01:28:18.960
So, um.

01:28:20.250 --> 01:28:22.800
I'm learning as a, the learning progression goes faster.

01:28:23.220 --> 01:28:23.520
Yeah.

01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.880
When you're, when you're playing with your own money instead of dad's university.

01:28:27.210 --> 01:28:29.189
Uh, pen check writer.

01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:29.909
Oh yeah.

01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:31.710
You gotta make decisions fast.

01:28:32.114 --> 01:28:41.670
I'll, I'll tell you that when my dad sent me, uh, off to college, uh, he said, son, uh, I'd be able the farm's big enough now I'd be able to help you with your schooling a little bit.

01:28:42.090 --> 01:28:45.090
Um, but I think you get a lot more out of it if you pay for it yourself.

01:28:46.154 --> 01:28:47.114
And it's kind of that way.

01:28:47.145 --> 01:28:47.234
Yeah.

01:28:47.234 --> 01:28:56.114
These lessons you're learning right now, these last four years are probably the biggest and, you know, potentially most expensive, but also potentially most lucrative decisions you're gonna make.

01:28:56.925 --> 01:29:04.875
And, and I just learned so much that, I'm very thankful that that, of course, that the company's working well.

01:29:04.935 --> 01:29:05.175
Yeah.

01:29:05.265 --> 01:29:12.494
And the enjoyment that I have out of it is it's very empowering to be your own boss.

01:29:12.885 --> 01:29:13.484
Do you miss.

01:29:14.310 --> 01:29:15.989
Direct care therapy.

01:29:16.229 --> 01:29:18.989
Um, being in the trenches, I think I was, I was getting burnt out.

01:29:19.020 --> 01:29:19.409
Oh, really?

01:29:19.409 --> 01:29:20.520
Toward, toward the end.

01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:27.869
So I don't, don't miss it, but I'm, but all you guys that work for momentum that are gonna listen to this, you guys should stay a long time.

01:29:28.024 --> 01:29:28.314
Yeah.

01:29:31.109 --> 01:29:31.170
Yeah.

01:29:31.170 --> 01:29:35.430
Well, I mean, it had been 15, 20.

01:29:36.630 --> 01:29:38.340
Uh, 2021.

01:29:38.340 --> 01:29:40.439
So I'd been over 10 years of Yeah, yeah.

01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:41.159
Of practice.

01:29:41.460 --> 01:29:47.279
And I've gone through periods in my career that were dedicated more to the clinical work.

01:29:47.310 --> 01:29:47.399
Mm-hmm.

01:29:47.729 --> 01:29:51.689
Other periods where that was more, more contexting stuff.

01:29:51.689 --> 01:29:51.690
Yeah.

01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:52.050
Yeah.

01:29:52.050 --> 01:29:56.399
Go more to toward, you know, contemplating business.

01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:56.670
Mm.

01:29:56.729 --> 01:29:58.800
So it's not, because right now.

01:29:59.550 --> 01:30:04.470
Um, I'm more dedicated to the business and more attracted to the business that I wouldn't go back.

01:30:04.529 --> 01:30:17.010
Well look at the leverage you have, like if you can help a hundred employees do a better job of finding a great place to work, learning with great supervision, providing great care to their, their customers, hearing them.

01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:17.489
Mm-hmm.

01:30:18.090 --> 01:30:20.130
You know, that's way more than you could ever do by yourself.

01:30:20.850 --> 01:30:21.210
Oh, yeah.

01:30:21.689 --> 01:30:27.060
Yeah, definitely, definitely a much, much bigger, bigger impact.

01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:27.420
Yeah.

01:30:27.420 --> 01:30:30.270
And sometimes I have to stop and just think Yeah.

01:30:30.270 --> 01:30:47.489
That, uh, especially when I look at payroll and thinking, oh, I all three years, if this payroll doesn't go through, and this is gonna be a lot of impact, a lot of people's budgets here, more like, oh, three years ago that was a more realistic payroll.

01:30:47.670 --> 01:30:48.300
Right, right.

01:30:48.569 --> 01:30:49.260
That's pretty wild.

01:30:49.649 --> 01:30:49.890
Yeah.

01:30:49.890 --> 01:30:59.189
Well, congratulations on all your growth and success and, uh, many, many more chapters of, uh, could you service to your clients and Yeah.

01:30:59.189 --> 01:30:59.699
And to your team.

01:30:59.939 --> 01:31:03.239
And, uh, thank you for having me.

01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:07.409
Thank you for having me as part of the, the local think tank.

01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:10.354
Of course, um, I learned a tremendous.

01:31:10.914 --> 01:31:13.734
Amount and looking forward to learning more.

01:31:14.034 --> 01:31:14.244
Awesome.

01:31:14.335 --> 01:31:18.085
Um, and meeting more, more business owners.

01:31:18.114 --> 01:31:20.335
You know, when we're talking about the isolation.

01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:20.649
Yeah.

01:31:20.654 --> 01:31:20.845
Yeah.

01:31:20.875 --> 01:31:30.414
It's, um, it's nice to be around other business owners that are going through the same, the same wins, the same struggles.

01:31:30.744 --> 01:31:33.204
Um, so, um.

01:31:34.409 --> 01:31:36.750
I, uh, I feel that I found my tribe.

01:31:36.899 --> 01:31:37.289
Awesome.

01:31:37.590 --> 01:31:40.140
That's really nice to hear with everyone in the group.

01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:40.859
That's really cool.

01:31:41.130 --> 01:31:45.899
Well, Godspeed, Julian, and uh, we'll look forward to your next return.

01:31:46.319 --> 01:31:46.529
Alright.

01:31:46.649 --> 01:31:47.039
Talk to you soon.

01:31:47.189 --> 01:31:47.340
Bye.

01:31:47.340 --> 01:31:47.579
Cheers.