EXPERIENCE 221 | Innovation, Transformation, and Quantum Reinvention with Sjeanne Cawdry, Director and Founder of the Center of Liberation

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In this episode of the Loco Experience Podcast, I sat down with Sean Cadry, the director and founder of the Center of Liberation.

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Sean shares her diverse background from being born and raised in Johannesburg, South Africa to moving to Fort Collins, Colorado.

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Her journey includes rich history in corporate investment banking in innovative roles, along with personal experiences that led her to found her center aimed at supporting.

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Conscious business practices and leadership development.

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Sean highlights how she transitioned from personal training gyms to a significant role in one of South Africa's leading corporate investment banks and how she was involved in transformative projects, particularly in the realms of cryptocurrency and digital assets.

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Sean also touches on her approach to understanding and leveraging future trends like AI and digital currencies.

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The conversation also includes Shawn's personal life experiences, including her two near-death experiences, and how they help shape her perspective on life and work.

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She discusses her move to America, driven by an online romance during Covid, and her observations on the cultural differences between the two countries.

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Shawn concludes by offering advice for young people navigating their educational and career paths, emphasizing the importance of following one's passions and creating value in their work.

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I hope you enjoy this episode with Sean Cadre.

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Welcome back to the Local Experience Podcast.

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I'm here today with Sean Cadry Cory, and, uh, she is the director and founder of The Center of Liberation, which I love to hear.

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And she's, uh, a business advisor and quantum reinvention strategist.

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Yeah.

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Well said.

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Yeah.

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And she's got a fun accent because you are from South Africa.

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Yay.

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Johannesburg.

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Awesome.

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Um, let's start out with, uh, Johannesburg.

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Yes.

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Can we, how, how, how long, uh, has it been since you've lived in South Africa?

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Lived in America or lived in, lived in South Africa.

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Oh, I have.

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Um, I was born and, and raised there.

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And so I lived there for 51 years before packing up and heading to Coming here.

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Coming here?

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Yes.

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Oh, really?

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So it's all very recent.

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So we're your first stop.

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You're my first stop.

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I've traveled to various parts of the world with thorough, enjoyed Oh, that's really good.

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But America's, yeah, I don't think it's too common to pack up too many times and move country O once is good for me.

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Fair enough, fair enough.

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And how did you, how did you land in Fort Collins?

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If I may.

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Uh, Fort Collins.

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So my wife is originally American.

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Okay.

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Uh, so Dana, and so we met, um, through Covid.

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Okay.

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And, uh, a beautiful little un online romance that translated into moving continents.

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Oh, wow.

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So she spent some time with me in South Africa to Henes book.

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So she's got a good, good taste of that for the last, uh, for a good few years.

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And, um, it was time for me to come and experience to her country.

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Oh, okay.

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And, and was she here or did you move to her?

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No, California.

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So before we arrived very intuitively, I just kept saying, from my perspective, I've never been here.

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I never set foot in Colorado.

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I'd been to California in America.

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I was just intuitively.

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It feels like Colorado's gonna be home.

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It just feels like Colorado's gonna be home.

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Okay.

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And so when we arrived, we, we spent some time traveling and, um, came to visit Colorado.

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I fell in love.

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She fell in love with it.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, yeah.

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Well, Colorado's one thing, but then tell me more for Collins, Fort Collins.

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Yeah.

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How did you, was there a list of finalists in Colorado?

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So Dana is a director of, uh, one of the directors at Norco volleyball.

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And so she, she had a, a position opened up for, for volleyball directorship.

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So, yeah, just so the, the, the job kind of helped choose the location, the job to help choose the location.

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Yeah.

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And you have a really interesting career in, uh, finance is a lot of your background, but especially around like.

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Strategy and money systems and kind of the deeper like risk analysis stuff, it feels like.

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Yes, yes.

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So, um, before leaving South Africa, I was in the corporate investment banking, one of the niche corporate investment banks in, uh, in South Africa, in back on the African continent.

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And, uh, very well established and well-known and spent, uh, over a decade, so like comparable to our JP Morgan or whatever, all this, we were always in conversation with JP Morgan, um, and the, like, some of them portions of assets and things Yeah.

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Understanding, you know, what they're doing and what we, what we should be doing.

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And so, yeah, I invested, uh, much of my time in, in the banking industry and, uh, it's really, really fascinating.

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And also just to watch really, you know, uh, the, the onset of something like cryptocurrency, digital assets, uh, for example, um, you know, and watch how this sort of.

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Uh, the landscape of, of finances.

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It's not changed altogether, but what's coming online and what's driving it and, uh, yeah.

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Yeah, it's really, well, and I don't know what the clip is, but Trump has definitely like increased Yes.

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Like a strategic investment in Bitcoins and some other stuff.

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And, and, and Trump coins too, right?

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Yeah.

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Trump coins.

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Yeah.

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Well, German meme coins.

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The meme coins.

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The meme coins.

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So definitely, so I think you're seeing that globally as well.

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This kind of adoption process now, which we, we were expecting when, you know, we sort of first started exploring it and so interesting to see, you know, what happens in America, we know happens around the world.

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And so, you know, having a Trump administration promoting and being on board with the strategic.

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Reserve not just Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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Uh, yeah.

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Well it kind of acknowledges the The legitimizes, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Legitimizes it.

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And it's almost like a, like I would say the competition for what is money right now is probably like, you know, the US dollar certainly has a place in that.

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Yes.

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Bitcoins gold and then probably like oil or commod energy resources in general food.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Commodities as well.

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But especially like you need energy to make food.

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Absolutely right.

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And move it around and stuff.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, if you just look at, for example, you know.

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Who makes up the administration from, you know, you've got obviously the likes of Musk, who's, uh, originally from South Africa.

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Sure.

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In fact, the same school, um, with different years that we were in.

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Oh really?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, it's all energy based, right?

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So Right.

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So very strong, um, tech orientated, let's say, um, administration, which is interesting.

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Energy heavy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's all energy, right?

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Yeah.

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Like data centers cost a fortune and a gr search or a chat.

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GPT search costs a hundred times as much as a Google one does.

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Yeah.

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So energy wise, I always say, you know, look where the smart money's investing or what, what, what are, what's the smart money doing?

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And, uh, follow the smart money.

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So I'm, I'm just, I'm curious and, and you know, again, a little bit of, you know, who I am is I'm a bit of a futurist and forward thinker, so.

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I was, you know, dabbling in the world of Bitcoin and crypto in 2017 when I first got started and just became really immersed in it.

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We looked at, at providing that, uh, offerings to our clients.

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Sure.

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So I really kind of got immersed in it.

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And you're gonna get expert status if you're gonna talk.

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Yeah.

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Like, what does it mean?

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Like what, you know, what is driving this and, and et cetera.

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So it's been very interesting to watch the progression now it's, that's eight years later and sort of, you know, strategic reserves and trump coins and meme coins and Right.

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Well, and, and for businesses and industries, whether it's agriculture or mining or finance, like what is.

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The impact of not just those different currencies and stuff, but also technology in general.

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How is AI affect the operating model?

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Um, how many employees do we need, uh, if we've got a well implemented AI policy or Definitely, yeah.

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Big, big, big changes.

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And that's one of the, you know, the, the sort of future trends, which is, it's not even future trend.

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It's here now.

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It's uh, it has already disrupted.

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It's already nudging you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not even nudging.

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I think if you pounding, if you already sort of lift the carpet, I think people would get quite significantly shaken if they're not sort of touching it in some way.

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Mm-hmm.

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So see the, I wanna say the power and look, anything that I comment on, there's always different sides of the story.

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Sure.

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Uh, which I can appreciate, you know, when things are, are taken, anything can be used incorrectly and you know, so, so hopefully the likes of air is used, you know, proactively, but, but in a positive way.

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Good for the future of humanity.

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Right.

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Um, well, and so I guess that's where that quantum reinvention is correct.

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Like we're, we're moving into this quantum world and we haven't even talked about quantum computing yet.

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No.

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No.

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And I'm guessing that's something you're looking into now.

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Yeah.

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Starting to sort of, uh, become more familiar with it.

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But the idea of quantum reinvention strategist, and I know I often get asked this question, is very much, you know, with the likes of AI and, um, if you had to look at like your, the scarce intelligence of your, your logical thinking Sure.

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And how that's been disseminated effectively into what I call abundant intelligence.

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Because now you've got Sure.

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A lot of humanities Yeah.

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Intelligences going into a database or databases accessible to all means, you know, what effectively do you get paid for going forward?

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Yeah.

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What effectively, which, you know.

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We, we, we are taken into an organization or, you know, we offer services and products according to the scarce knowledge, the scarce intelligence that we bring and the service offerings and et cetera.

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And so that drives productivity with that sort of being that, say, democratized into, uh, right sort of open source.

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Uh, you know, that leaves, uh, the, the question like what, what is now valuable and what will I be paid for going forward?

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And a question not, you know, that I, that I, I sit with and many others, but something that should be really considered.

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And so, as one of the implications of, as I say, I'm a bit of a forward thinking.

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So I, I think in paradigms and what does this mean in terms of a new paradigm for me, one of the things that, uh, will now transpire that I think it is driving is greater levels of creativity.

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And so the quantum is like, how do you access new information?

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How does that come about from my perspective and my beliefs?

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It's like you access that from the universal source, the energy around you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know the quantum Yeah.

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Some people like you, you don't think of ideas, ideas come and find you kinda Exactly.

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Ideas come, come and find you.

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And so opening up your intelligence to new information, new information is gonna come through, um, the energy that surrounds us, the universe that surrounds us.

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And so learning how to really master and powerfully create and, and create, like consciously and deliberately directing your thoughts, uh, hence is the quantum reinvention and Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, and ultimately most things that we really need still require, you know, energy to make it happen.

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Right?

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Absolutely.

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Like food building of shelter, uh, entertainment even.

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Um, a hundred percent.

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So I was, I, I was thinking earlier that the, I think it was the cult, uh, uh, pistol, uh, revolver that was called the Great Equalizer of Ben.

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Um, and I wonder is, is AI kind of an equalizer of people or is it an UNE equalizer more depending on whether you have access to it, which I guess was kind of the notion with, with being able to carry a pistol, but in the wild West, you know, you either didn't or you did.

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Right.

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And I guess that's kind of the same here.

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Are you carrying AI around in your holster or are you not?

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And which size is your ai?

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Well, of course in South Africa we've got diff different, um, application.

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Certainly your culture is nothing like the same, but, but similar, similar application.

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Uh, our guns is in South Africa, they are illegal.

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You can have a, what do you call it?

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Hunting, hunting gun or something, a certificate or whatever you call it.

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Like, you know, that's regulated, but, but.

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It's not rare.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But there's plenty of guns in South Africa, so, um, uh, they're not legal, but there's plenty of'em anyway.

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Exactly.

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Fair.

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Exactly.

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Only the bad guys have guns though.

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Oh, of course.

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Of course.

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We'll see.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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There's, yeah.

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No, there's, you, you, so there's plenty of registered legal weapons Yeah.

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As well.

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Yeah.

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There's plenty of registered legal weapons, but, uh, it's, uh, common, fair.

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Common.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I digress.

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But to back to the question, is it a, is it a equalizer of men and women or is it an unequal, this tool?

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Um, I think there's going to be versions of both those truths that play out and, and multiple versions.

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Um, because let's say previous, if people have access to the internet, you can have access to, to, again, you know, something like ai, which gives you access.

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You can go and engage and ask for a PhD written paper, right.

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Or, or thesis to be written for your dissertation if you ask the right question.

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So, you know.

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That's going to give you so much more information.

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So AI can give you so much more information That, and resourcefulness that previously I wouldn't have even had to, I wouldn't have even, even thought to.

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Sure.

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So when I engage in it, you know, it opens up my own creative centers, centers in, in the context of my right brain because I'm engaging with it.

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It is pro sort of provoking and, and providing me with other ways to think about things in ways that I just wouldn't have even thought.

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And so then that takes me down another rabbit hole and I'm engaging it on in that rabbit hole.

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And so I'm learning the learning pathway of information that I wouldn't have even thought to engage in.

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I'm now engaging in Yeah.

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And getting equipped.

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So in that way, um, you know, there's just so much that, that I can personally do with it.

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And then at the same time.

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If you don't have access to it, you're disadvantaged.

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If you don't, it's like the financial system.

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Right.

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The best you can hope for is to be the, the brute strength for somebody that needs human labor.

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Exactly.

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Almost.

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Exactly.

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And so and the or.

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Yeah.

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I suppose I think, or, or I suppose nurses and things like that, there's gonna be human touch type and the human touch wouldn't of that hard to replace.

00:14:17.947 --> 00:14:23.782
Wouldn't, you know, I'm very clear that a AI is cept from human beings first and foremost.

00:14:23.782 --> 00:14:23.871
Sure.

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So, you know, we created it and, uh, going forward they'll do, they'll always be the human.

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Always, always be the human person engaging in ai.

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And AI cannot contextually think so what it leads to is, okay, logical left brain solution orientated.

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Anything where pattern recognition can be pretty easily identified.

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'cause it's primarily what, you know, one of the sources that it operates on.

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Um, what it can't do is.

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If you're asking it prompts, it's gonna a, it's gonna answer in the domains of those prompts, but it can't contextually Yeah.

00:15:01.672 --> 00:15:02.841
Bring things together.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

00:15:04.282 --> 00:15:09.351
What it stimulates, like when I do that, oh, you know what this is like, and it's totally different thing.

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Even like the cult versus the ai.

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A hundred percent.

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So it can't, it cant, sorry to interrupt you.

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Yeah, no.

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So it can't connect the dots.

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So it will help stimulate a lot of new thoughts that then the human is going to then be collecting the dots of, oh, okay, this is a potential solution.

00:15:25.822 --> 00:15:36.172
So I think it's also gonna promote a lot of solutioning as opposed to solving problems as se, I mean, it solves problems, but you start to realize that, oh.

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Like, there's just so many solutions out there.

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So many, yeah.

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Just opportunities to, well, what's interesting is, you know, I know there's a lot of different paid platforms for AI and stuff, but it, you know, it takes a lot of energy to spin all these things and all these queries and when you have it paint you a picture, it's even more energy and it's really not priced at consumption right now.

00:15:58.356 --> 00:16:00.517
Like gasoline, we gotta pay per gallon.

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Correct.

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Ai, you can have that thing be chewing on problems all day long for no good reason.

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A hundred percent if you wanted to.

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And it would just be like, you're just burning coal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

00:16:13.081 --> 00:16:25.897
And you know, it's like anything, you can go down rabbit holes and, and again, you know, they're still building it out, but the rate and pace at which has been built, I would say, you know, um, the idea of artificial super intelligence, that's probably already here.

00:16:25.897 --> 00:16:29.856
They're sort of saying in, you know, two or three years time, it's probably less because ai.

00:16:30.246 --> 00:16:33.427
Doubles its intelligence roughly every five to six months.

00:16:33.432 --> 00:16:33.442
Okay.

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And you can shorten that time.

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So I think currently the last time I checked these values, this was the end of last year.

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So may well have changed.

00:16:41.917 --> 00:16:47.767
Um, the intelligence of, of AI was at, I think it was like 1 52, which is roughly Elron.

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Musk.

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Musk, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think, um, Albert Einstein is about 1 65 roughly.

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Um, so we would've surpassed those or started to surpass those certain, and then, you know, if you had to think then that doubles in six months, doubles in six months, doubles in six months, you know, pretty soon.

00:17:03.522 --> 00:17:03.991
800.

00:17:03.991 --> 00:17:08.497
We're looking at like a thousand, I think it was in end of 20 26, 20 27.

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Oh wow.

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That's it.

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Like we can't even comprehend.

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Yeah.

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We can't comprehend that intelligence.

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So it does make you confront your own sense of value.

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And what, you know, when I look at this and you know, women's wealth transfers and there's different wealth transfers busy happening.

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You're looking at ai, digital assets.

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And so, you know, really working with people to say, okay, how do you position yourselves?

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What will be valuable of your business or what you're offering in the future and what will become available so that you can obviously capture the opportunities, create more value, kind of ultimately what is the new value?

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And I think what.

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What we're finding in the system, what I'm discovering in the system, and this has probably been for the last six months or so, I say to people, like, the system is stuck systemically.

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So in other words, people are not wanting to spend money, they're not sure what direction to go, and they're not sure what choices to make.

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You know, corporates are like grappling to, you know, what strategies do we follow?

00:18:08.646 --> 00:18:12.396
And then entrepreneurs are, so they're saying like, I just, I, I just don't know.

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I just don't know.

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Like, and like I'm just confused.

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So I Right.

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I call it like an if you, I dunno how y'all are swearing on this channels.

00:18:19.807 --> 00:18:21.547
Well, you can, you can see all the fucking beverage.

00:18:21.547 --> 00:18:21.997
Yeah, that's fine.

00:18:22.567 --> 00:18:23.797
And fuck your confusion.

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So I work with clients to like back their confusion.

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Oh yeah.

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'cause there's so much confusion and so much stuckness.

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Yeah.

00:18:29.106 --> 00:18:34.567
And my dad used to say, uh, I know sometimes you don't feel like you have enough information to, to make a decision, but make a decision.

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Make a decision.

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Yeah.

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Do it.

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And if you find out it's the wrong decision, then change your mind.

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You know?

00:18:38.826 --> 00:18:39.067
Exactly.

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Like, don't stand there, go.

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You gotta, you can't come up your butt.

00:18:41.497 --> 00:18:41.616
Yeah.

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Because, and, and I think what's driving that, what I've come to, to kind of conclude is that because these, these.

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Converging trends have already hit multiple of them.

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And I'm only talking about three or four.

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Yeah.

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But there's multiple energy.

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Be one of them.

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We've, yeah.

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Energy, climate and global, uh, trade.

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Hundred percent tariffs.

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Yeah.

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Trade, trade, yeah.

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And I, I've some statistics on how many ships are like either coming or going with, you know, one third or one half empty and things like that.

00:19:09.791 --> 00:19:09.842
Yeah.

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And that just doesn't happen, right?

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No, a hundred percent.

00:19:12.636 --> 00:19:22.987
I mean, it's, you know, so the world is changed and I think for so many decades we've been talking around, change is coming, change is coming, and no, the world has changed.

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Like it's changed.

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Significantly because of all these things coming in converging together at once.

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We haven't seen this before.

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We've seen one thing and then another thing, and you know, the onset of the internet or the onset of manufacturing or the information technology, but you've got these massive mega trends converging at once.

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They've already converged, they've caused change, and now you're getting like more of the mass adoption.

00:19:46.386 --> 00:19:54.336
And so where that lands me is why the system is stuck and confused is because we are now in new realities.

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We are now on new paradigm.

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We're already on a new reality.

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We're already on them.

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And so the nature of the first, we need to survey their landscape a little bit.

00:20:01.507 --> 00:20:01.777
Yeah.

00:20:01.781 --> 00:20:06.576
So the nature of the problems have changed, but people and clients don't know how their problems have changed.

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Yeah.

00:20:07.477 --> 00:20:12.067
And so they're trying to figure that out and no one's figured out that the nature of the problems have changed and actually.

00:20:13.251 --> 00:20:14.842
Well, there's gonna be new problems.

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And in fact, not even problems because problems create industries.

00:20:18.382 --> 00:20:30.471
Well, and y you and I had a great conversation with, with someone this morning, well before I arrived here, and he, he was just saying how it's like there are, you know, problems are an illusion created in your mind if you believe in the quantum.

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And so, you know, it's really about solutions.

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And so you can dismantle your problems, which are mindset and a particular context.

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And when you're creating an in with the quantum, you're collapsing problems and you are creating Well, but yeah, the problems kind have to be acknowledged to, to monetize the solutions though, right?

00:20:50.991 --> 00:20:51.267
Yeah, yeah.

00:20:51.471 --> 00:20:55.582
Like that's what companies do for the most part, is, is monetize a solution for somebody's problem.

00:20:55.882 --> 00:20:56.422
A hundred percent.

00:20:56.422 --> 00:21:08.511
And that's why I say one of the big paradigm shifts that's already happened is that the more and more people become conscious, and when you're more conscious, your ability, I mean.

00:21:09.352 --> 00:21:12.741
We could probably ask your audience and if there was, when you say conscious Yeah.

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What do you mean by that?

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Um, just a greater level of awareness.

00:21:16.132 --> 00:21:23.541
So an opening up to greater levels of, um, understanding of, of we are never gonna fully understand the human experience.

00:21:23.541 --> 00:21:23.632
Right.

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But it's just greater levels of awareness of your own divine nature.

00:21:27.561 --> 00:21:37.521
And so consciousness of your own divine true nature expressed through the human experiences, I'm gonna call it a spiritual orientation.

00:21:38.061 --> 00:21:38.092
Okay.

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A level of consciousness.

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And then with that various levels of awareness.

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And so you can be, for example, a classic example was Covid drove health consciousness.

00:21:47.541 --> 00:21:47.842
Oh, sure.

00:21:47.842 --> 00:21:49.791
So people have different levels of awareness now.

00:21:49.942 --> 00:21:50.116
Yep, yep.

00:21:50.422 --> 00:21:56.241
You know, it drove the great resignation and in part that was driven by, because I want a greater sense of purpose and meaning.

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Yeah.

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So you can say consciousness in summary is a very easy way of saying, Hey, I wanna give, you know, have greater sense purpose kinda instead of just, uh, non-player character.

00:22:04.342 --> 00:22:22.251
They, as they say on the Twitter, actually having intentional, intentional, um, actions and awareness of reactions and hundred exactly like a intentional navigation of life instead of just, I go to work starting when I'm 20 and then I retire when I'm 62 and I have a few kids and do stuff.

00:22:22.342 --> 00:22:23.872
But, and that's the way it is now.

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There's this, you know, if you believe your thoughts create your reality, that's being conscious.

00:22:28.821 --> 00:22:29.061
Yeah.

00:22:29.662 --> 00:22:29.991
Okay.

00:22:29.991 --> 00:22:34.041
So, and constantly just waking up, you can call it waking up, you can call it, oh, I'm becoming aware of this.

00:22:34.041 --> 00:22:36.142
Oh, I'm becoming aware of like, energy.

00:22:36.172 --> 00:22:36.561
Right.

00:22:36.561 --> 00:22:48.862
Well, and, and what's cool and partly AI powered is, you know, anytime I want to, I can push the little GR button and be like, can you tell me more about, you know, the war of 1812?

00:22:48.981 --> 00:22:53.287
Uh, what are some of the controversies around how that started for specifically a hundred percent.

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And I can just know in the, in the, and I can say, give it to me in two paragraphs or 10 paragraphs or whatever I want.

00:23:00.906 --> 00:23:08.166
Now you see, and that, that's a great example because there, for example, let's say you wanted to take that really seriously.

00:23:08.166 --> 00:23:14.767
You would've gone to, you know, a course university, you know, sit and listen to someone who's disseminating that knowledge.

00:23:14.826 --> 00:23:15.037
Sure.

00:23:15.307 --> 00:23:19.297
That's why I say the knowledge dissemination just like that is disseminated.

00:23:19.477 --> 00:23:19.596
Right.

00:23:19.596 --> 00:23:33.666
Well, and, and like, like I've been thinking about like business books and like AI has read every business book ever written, and for the most part, a lot of them are resonant for the last 60 years.

00:23:33.997 --> 00:23:44.856
You know, there's some new stuff here and there, you know, it starts with why, but mostly it's just kind of a recycling through of kind of a lot of the ideas we've been talking about in the past and, and freshening of them perhaps.

00:23:45.336 --> 00:23:56.017
Um, but there isn't necessarily new stuff that comes from that then is it just a dulling down and, and an averaging of ideas, you know, and is.

00:23:56.362 --> 00:24:04.852
Like a really good business book that's focused, is that gonna be better than, um, an AI created tool on the same specific topic?

00:24:05.207 --> 00:24:05.781
I, I don't know.

00:24:05.781 --> 00:24:07.192
I'm not sure there is.

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Does it get blurry?

00:24:08.061 --> 00:24:13.642
You know, does the, does does the reality of the AI just get blurred out or the, the, the brilliance of the humans?

00:24:14.541 --> 00:24:24.622
I would hope that the brilliance, and again, it's going to the brilliance of this is my, what I would hope for, because like I say, I think it's gonna really stimulate.

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And encourage people to think number one deeply about things.

00:24:28.192 --> 00:24:36.382
So there's going, I believe, I feel my senses, and again, there is so much, there is unknown and uncertainty because we haven't been in this territory.

00:24:36.382 --> 00:24:40.192
And if we only just kind of stepping into new paradigms, we don't know the paradigms yet.

00:24:40.192 --> 00:24:46.852
So there would be a lot of uncertainty, the ability of humans to think deeply about topics.

00:24:46.852 --> 00:24:53.721
And I think you're gonna start seeing what we used to call in the corporate space, TT type, um, employees and T type employees.

00:24:53.721 --> 00:24:57.922
You had like, um, you know, where the, the T goes across.

00:24:58.987 --> 00:25:05.946
You have a more narrowed scope of in-depth, uh, skillset, in-depth capability.

00:25:05.946 --> 00:25:08.196
So you're very deep into a topic Yeah.

00:25:08.257 --> 00:25:13.896
As the tea drops down, but you very narrowed in your sphere of, of specialization.

00:25:13.896 --> 00:25:26.557
So I feel like there's going to be a more deepening into the specialization and truly exploring the truth about a particular topic or the truth and digging and digging and digging to expand and grow on it.

00:25:26.557 --> 00:25:33.997
And so I think there's, there's definitely opportunity for, I'd say more, um, you know, for humans to, to.

00:25:34.582 --> 00:25:39.412
To definitely play a part in a more, um, brilliance coming through.

00:25:39.442 --> 00:25:39.832
I think.

00:25:39.922 --> 00:25:51.561
And when I say for example, creativity, that's exactly what I mean, to come into a greater sense of knowing about the truth of who you are and your own brilliance and your ability to be brilliant should you wish to engage with a tool.

00:25:52.071 --> 00:25:53.211
AI is just a tool.

00:25:53.511 --> 00:25:57.261
How you drive it, how you shape it, the questions, there's a huge, huge Sure.

00:25:57.862 --> 00:25:59.872
Uh, impact on, on what it can deliver.

00:25:59.872 --> 00:26:04.761
And again, it's never going to be able to contextually connect the dots.

00:26:04.942 --> 00:26:06.981
It's never gonna be able to have human connection.

00:26:07.221 --> 00:26:13.551
It's never gonna have a soul or con it's going to have, and this is up for discussion, but you know, versions of consciousness.

00:26:13.701 --> 00:26:24.382
And so when, when humans are in a room together and sitting around having a conversation like this, like our energies and our thought waves and our thought processes are feeding off each other.

00:26:24.652 --> 00:26:26.271
And so it's like escalating.

00:26:26.277 --> 00:26:26.376
Yeah.

00:26:26.376 --> 00:26:26.497
Yeah.

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And multiplies of more people if it's, and multiply, structured multiplies effect.

00:26:31.521 --> 00:26:33.862
And so I want to challenge that notion of.

00:26:34.807 --> 00:26:44.946
I've, I've almost been feeling like, um, corporations have been looking for increased specialization from their employees, kind of to employees detriments.

00:26:45.576 --> 00:26:56.436
'cause like even right now, like software engineers, uh, people that write code and stuff, the last 10 years have had it going great'cause they've been in super high demand, short enough supply.

00:26:56.436 --> 00:27:02.047
We're like trying to open up the valves from, for Indian programmers and stuff so we can do this stuff.

00:27:02.047 --> 00:27:08.737
And now AI is like a really fast programmer and you need probably, I'm guessing that the job market is not good.

00:27:08.737 --> 00:27:14.886
So now all these people that specialize in software programming are having a harder time unless they're putting that tool in the belt.

00:27:15.457 --> 00:27:22.626
Um, and, and then what I was looking on my phone for is a book I read, uh, listened to a couple years ago, uh, range by David Epstein.

00:27:22.626 --> 00:27:26.467
And it's kind of like why generalists, uh, will win in the future.

00:27:26.467 --> 00:27:29.707
And, and, and to your point of context, like.

00:27:31.477 --> 00:27:40.267
I wonder if being able to to dig deep enough but then tie those different quadrants and stuff together is also still valuable.

00:27:40.626 --> 00:27:42.997
I'm not saying it's not, it's not invaluable.

00:27:43.057 --> 00:27:55.027
I think if you're too much of a gen generalist, just generally, yeah, you're good at a lot of things and I don't think there's going to be, um, if you're good at a lot, a lot of things and you're wanting to go somewhere in life and stuff like that.

00:27:55.326 --> 00:27:55.597
Yeah, yeah.

00:27:56.017 --> 00:27:56.741
You know, it's gonna be hard.

00:27:57.067 --> 00:27:59.856
It's gonna be harder because, or you gotta start a company.

00:28:00.426 --> 00:28:00.936
What's that?

00:28:00.997 --> 00:28:01.866
Are you gonna start a company?

00:28:01.866 --> 00:28:02.017
Yeah.

00:28:02.061 --> 00:28:03.247
Yeah, exactly.

00:28:03.967 --> 00:28:13.596
So, and so I, I think what you're saying, you know, would probably resonate with me is that you still have to have enough generalist knowledge to connect the dots.

00:28:13.596 --> 00:28:21.636
You have to, you can't not be, I was chatting to a leader the other day and I was just saying to her, leaders have gotta take time.

00:28:21.636 --> 00:28:26.406
And entrepreneurs, in fact, every individual needs to take time to think deeply about.

00:28:27.126 --> 00:28:29.886
What my contribution is going to be in the future.

00:28:30.156 --> 00:28:38.467
What will AI not, uh, we call, you know, zap, I don't dunno, in, in the states, but you know, we'll refer to things being zapped in, in South Africa.

00:28:38.737 --> 00:28:38.767
Mm.

00:28:38.916 --> 00:28:41.106
What won't, won't in your business be zapped?

00:28:41.106 --> 00:28:54.457
What, what are the, what are the problems if you have to really start thinking about it and thinking about it intelligently is like, think about what are the problems that your current clients, what are they going to have in five years time?

00:28:54.636 --> 00:28:54.997
Sure.

00:28:56.017 --> 00:28:57.846
So, good way to think about that.

00:28:58.567 --> 00:29:02.707
If I'm talking to a client, I say to them, okay, tell me who are your clients in five years time?

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What's the demographic?

00:29:05.227 --> 00:29:08.346
Help me understand that now that's level one thinking.

00:29:08.346 --> 00:29:12.067
And that would be, you know, I think a lot of people are just doing that.

00:29:12.426 --> 00:29:13.446
Piece of exploration.

00:29:13.446 --> 00:29:14.376
My clients are X, Y, and Z.

00:29:14.376 --> 00:29:18.096
I'm saying, okay, now if you were talking to Harley a while back, they'd be like, oh no.

00:29:18.102 --> 00:29:26.106
Anyway, um, and then the next question I ask them is say, okay, if these are your clients and the demographics and you put it clear on that, that's great.

00:29:26.106 --> 00:29:29.436
And you're, you're now sort of catering to their needs and providing to their needs.

00:29:29.436 --> 00:29:33.457
And you, you kind of strategizing starting, they're gonna be exactly, and you, et cetera.

00:29:33.517 --> 00:29:34.957
But now I want you to think about this.

00:29:34.957 --> 00:29:36.517
So take it a step further.

00:29:36.997 --> 00:29:43.326
So if your client's demographics are this in five years time, then what is shaping their life?

00:29:43.807 --> 00:29:45.727
What are the things that are shaping their life?

00:29:45.727 --> 00:29:46.896
What is influencing them?

00:29:46.896 --> 00:29:48.696
What are, what's impacting them?

00:29:49.237 --> 00:29:57.366
Because you've gotta be able to contextually think like that and then start to backward engineer and re-engineer to say, okay.

00:29:57.682 --> 00:30:06.501
If these things and AI, such a significant impact on their life and the likes of whatever, whether it's digital assets or whether it's um, you know, digital currencies.

00:30:06.501 --> 00:30:09.142
Yeah, digital currencies or trade tariffs or what.

00:30:09.501 --> 00:30:13.521
And some of we don't even know, okay, so now what are you trying to solve for, for them?

00:30:13.521 --> 00:30:20.692
Because you gotta have that leap ahead to be able to, to then backward engineer and then start to design products and services for that lens.

00:30:20.692 --> 00:30:25.672
So it's not, not for me, it's not enough just to say, my clients are X, Y, and Z.

00:30:25.731 --> 00:30:31.372
You have to start understanding, well what are the things that are impacting them significantly in five years time?

00:30:32.182 --> 00:30:34.162
'cause that's, if you can set yourself up for that.

00:30:34.402 --> 00:30:37.037
And it's not even five years, like I said, artificial intelligence.

00:30:37.037 --> 00:30:39.757
Yeah, I think three years intelligence, I was probably start moving now.

00:30:40.041 --> 00:30:54.021
I honestly believe that even now, if people are not spending time deeply thinking about it and touching and engaging, you can't touch and engage everything but one or two important of these mega trends and get familiar to really understand how they're shaping.

00:30:54.352 --> 00:30:59.092
Industries, it's something to, to really pay attention to in three years time.

00:30:59.092 --> 00:31:02.692
If you're waking up, the train's gone.

00:31:04.192 --> 00:31:06.021
You've already missed the train's gone.

00:31:06.172 --> 00:31:06.412
Yeah.

00:31:06.501 --> 00:31:08.781
It's like now it's, you gotta be engaging.

00:31:08.781 --> 00:31:18.261
Now, um, I wanted to zoom back to, uh, let's just talk about like maybe the, maybe we have been talking about what you're doing at the Center of Liberation.

00:31:18.291 --> 00:31:24.771
Mm mm Or is that kind of a little adjacent, or is that specifically a focused organization?

00:31:24.771 --> 00:31:30.142
I, you know, if I was a good podcaster, I would've went into your website and snooped it out, read your mission statement and stuff.

00:31:30.142 --> 00:31:31.701
But I like going in fresh.

00:31:32.392 --> 00:31:32.811
Tell me about that.

00:31:32.811 --> 00:31:35.001
Get, get, get it, get it straight from the horse's mouth.

00:31:35.001 --> 00:31:35.332
Exactly.

00:31:35.332 --> 00:31:37.551
Say, I like the way you, I I like you the way you roll.

00:31:37.551 --> 00:31:40.461
I don't wanna corrupt my conversation with prior knowledge.

00:31:40.461 --> 00:31:40.852
Come on.

00:31:41.567 --> 00:31:41.872
No, no.

00:31:42.922 --> 00:31:56.332
So Center of Liberation is what I believe firmly is around liberating, um, very much heart led, heart centered organizations, leaders into the new era with very practical delivery.

00:31:56.481 --> 00:31:56.811
Okay.

00:31:56.842 --> 00:32:03.112
So this is not about, uh, just all woo woo and, uh, all this is a kind of those conscious people.

00:32:03.112 --> 00:32:04.071
Conscious, yeah.

00:32:04.132 --> 00:32:12.142
If you're one of those conscious and increasingly conscious people and you're leading people, you, you're wanting something different, you, you have a sense that, that things need to change.

00:32:12.142 --> 00:32:17.481
You have a sense that you would like things to change in the context of how life has been experienced.

00:32:17.602 --> 00:32:26.842
And so what is that sort of new organization or, or you leading a team, you're an entrepreneur and you've got a team and you know, how do you kind of set that up and heart led living?

00:32:26.842 --> 00:32:29.991
Heart base living is one of the, the, you know, subsequent.

00:32:32.122 --> 00:32:46.402
Principles, if you'll, of principles of, uh, becoming more conscious, just becoming more open-hearted, becoming like kinder, more generous, more cooperative, um, more synchronistic, more expansive, not just for one, but for the all.

00:32:46.402 --> 00:33:00.622
So I think, you know, for, for people that resonate with the sort of concept of tired of competition, tired of the individualism, tired of the, the separation and the fear and, and how do we create ecosystems?

00:33:00.622 --> 00:33:09.112
You're seeing ecosystems pop up all over the place, but how you really create ecosystems where most benefit and not just one or a few.

00:33:09.196 --> 00:33:09.487
Yeah.

00:33:09.622 --> 00:33:09.682
Yeah.

00:33:09.711 --> 00:33:12.382
And, um, and then how do you really set yourself?

00:33:12.382 --> 00:33:15.261
So center of liberation is liberating the next.

00:33:15.771 --> 00:33:21.892
Era of, or not even the era'cause it's now, but it's the next category of leadership and the next category of businesses.

00:33:21.892 --> 00:33:34.582
And how do you set your businesses up to remain fruit fruitful, expansive, um, profitable, importantly, and not just for you, but for your, you know, your staff, your employees, your, your business.

00:33:34.582 --> 00:33:36.951
Because things are have changed so quickly.

00:33:37.311 --> 00:33:43.041
And where do those profitability pools sit whilst doing it at a conscious level, whilst bringing in more creativity?

00:33:43.041 --> 00:33:44.451
How do you unlock creativity?

00:33:44.451 --> 00:34:05.392
How do you actually become a leadership team who is ready to be leading edge, to create your realities at the executive table and very much liberate, um, you know, prosperity and abundance, uh, which sits at the heart of, for me, um, with something like ai, human beings will be confronted with their value.

00:34:05.422 --> 00:34:05.632
Yeah.

00:34:05.632 --> 00:34:06.501
Is it gonna make us.

00:34:06.561 --> 00:34:09.742
R richer, happier, and better connected?

00:34:09.742 --> 00:34:12.112
Or is it gonna separate us further?

00:34:12.382 --> 00:34:16.192
Yeah, and I think, and I think there's an opportunity for the former, for sure, a hundred percent.

00:34:16.192 --> 00:34:28.492
And I think, I think the biggest human travesty is that so many people undervalue themselves and their skills and their abilities and dunno how to monetize it or, you know, if I lose my job or if it's this.

00:34:28.492 --> 00:34:32.931
And so, you know, this process of fear based, uh, based, fear based.

00:34:32.931 --> 00:34:36.322
And so, you know, and that's just rubbish.

00:34:36.322 --> 00:34:42.742
It's like, but at the same time, you will never be wealthy, prosperous, abundance if you've bought into the scar of tea and the fear.

00:34:43.237 --> 00:34:51.516
Um, and the separation because if you're not wealthy within, you cannot hold the next level of wealth that's coming in whatever way, shape or form.

00:34:51.516 --> 00:35:05.286
And, and so, so I guess this is kind of your, you escape from corporate banking realm and you're, you're starting a movement, if you will, and this is a training center grounds consultancy for that movement.

00:35:05.286 --> 00:35:06.876
Is that the right way to understand it?

00:35:07.177 --> 00:35:15.157
There's a movement on the cards and I've got some exciting prospects coming through, uh, probably in the new year or towards the end of the year, which, um, I won't share just yet.

00:35:15.157 --> 00:35:21.277
But a very, very exciting to do with the wealth transfer, the women's wealth transfer and the events while, yeah, I wrote that down to talk about coming through.

00:35:21.697 --> 00:35:23.286
Talk about the women's wealth transfer.

00:35:23.286 --> 00:35:25.146
That's kind of because.

00:35:26.677 --> 00:35:34.327
The, the world has changed and, and the boomers are gonna die and, uh, their, their living kids are ladies.

00:35:34.507 --> 00:35:35.766
Is that kind of what's going on?

00:35:35.766 --> 00:35:36.996
Or what, what are we talking about here?

00:35:37.507 --> 00:35:42.277
Or just the fact that women are earning so much and being college graduates and, yeah.

00:35:42.277 --> 00:35:44.137
So all that, so much more, yeah, changing names.

00:35:44.467 --> 00:35:52.746
Think about it like this, and I, I heard a great analogy and unfortunately I can't remember the, the person, so this is not, not originally from me and I'm gonna try and summarize as best I can.

00:35:53.226 --> 00:36:05.106
Um, but think about it like a, a bird and just like a bird has got, you know, two wings and when it's functioning beautifully, the wings are both working and, and balancing the bird and, you know, flapping, et cetera.

00:36:05.976 --> 00:36:06.036
Yeah.

00:36:06.036 --> 00:36:06.217
It just works.

00:36:06.217 --> 00:36:10.356
We're exposed to, at the moment, the, and I don't, it's not about being, um, man or woman.

00:36:10.791 --> 00:36:13.342
Well, I talk masculine and feminine energies.

00:36:13.431 --> 00:36:40.851
So energetically, the masculine is very, so the left wing is very well established, logical, left brain, um, analytical, that sort of masculine sort of, um, containers and structures and infrastructure and, um, those kind of things is like the masculine energy, the feminine energy, the wisdom, energy, the intuitive energy, the, the downloads, the intuits, the nudges, the synchronistic that's not well developed.

00:36:40.851 --> 00:36:44.871
So the bird is flying, but it's flying with an underdeveloped right wing.

00:36:45.081 --> 00:36:50.121
And so if you think about it, all that's happening now is an equalization of the wing so it can fly better.

00:36:50.121 --> 00:36:50.992
And that's humanity.

00:36:50.992 --> 00:36:54.621
That the, there's an e equalization of the masculine and feminine energy.

00:36:54.621 --> 00:37:06.322
So one of the things, the natural evolutions is the, you know, obviously with a lot more women getting to different levels and organizations and different levels of education and all of that kind of stuff.

00:37:06.831 --> 00:37:07.311
Um.

00:37:08.541 --> 00:37:12.052
There, there will be a 30 trillion wealth transfer over the next decade.

00:37:12.052 --> 00:37:15.141
It's already started, but it's, you know, small, small numbers.

00:37:15.681 --> 00:37:15.831
Sure.

00:37:15.831 --> 00:37:18.501
So$30 trillion heading into the hands of women.

00:37:18.501 --> 00:37:22.702
So for the first time in human history, women's will, not all women.

00:37:22.731 --> 00:37:32.211
'cause there's, uh, you know, there's a lot to this, I'm giving sure I'm giving the cliff notes, but, um, women have have the opportunity to hold more personal income than males in some instances.

00:37:32.961 --> 00:37:38.121
Then there is another wealth transfer to, because baby boomers are, are, are passing.

00:37:38.121 --> 00:37:39.681
And so where does that inheritance go?

00:37:39.771 --> 00:37:42.351
You know, to, to the, obviously their kids and that kind of stuff.

00:37:42.351 --> 00:37:43.132
They're living kids.

00:37:43.132 --> 00:37:55.672
Uh, and then you're looking at, and ladies live longer, tend to millennials as well, who just, you know, they, they passed the stage now of paying off, uh, debt or, you know, some of them are still paying off homes, but your education, so they're coming into more wealth.

00:37:55.672 --> 00:38:02.692
So, but this woman's wealth transfer is, is a really big deal because when there's more power, there's more, uh, sorry.

00:38:02.692 --> 00:38:05.181
When there's more, more money for someone, there's a.

00:38:05.556 --> 00:38:10.536
There's this reshaping of the power structures, and it doesn't have to be negative.

00:38:10.597 --> 00:38:13.387
It's not about something negative and conflictual and whatever.

00:38:13.387 --> 00:38:16.731
It just means that you don't have to beat the men down to establish equality.

00:38:16.731 --> 00:38:16.972
You don't.

00:38:16.972 --> 00:38:17.931
It's about beating men.

00:38:18.186 --> 00:38:20.436
It's just that women make decisions differently.

00:38:20.467 --> 00:38:21.547
We operate differently.

00:38:21.547 --> 00:38:23.827
So the way that we are spending habits are different.

00:38:23.827 --> 00:38:24.996
Where we spend is different.

00:38:24.996 --> 00:38:26.376
What we think about is different.

00:38:26.376 --> 00:38:30.907
And so there will be certain industries that benefit more than others.

00:38:30.907 --> 00:38:39.126
So for example, you know, health industries, women are super, not, not to say men aren't, but like there's just a lot of beneficiaries in the health industry.

00:38:39.126 --> 00:38:42.606
For example, the financial industry will benefit significantly.

00:38:42.606 --> 00:38:53.106
You know, you'll have more women sort of taking ownership of, um, how decisions, financial decisions are made, where typically, like it's just been left to the, the guy, the male, to like figure things out.

00:38:53.106 --> 00:38:57.757
It's just like there's a lot of, um, unconscious biases, um, associated with it.

00:38:57.757 --> 00:38:58.686
So, you know.

00:38:59.436 --> 00:39:01.927
Coming from South Africa and seeing my wife takes care of all the money.

00:39:01.927 --> 00:39:03.061
I Well, good for, good for you.

00:39:03.061 --> 00:39:03.181
Yeah.

00:39:03.211 --> 00:39:03.822
Best I can.

00:39:03.851 --> 00:39:04.141
Yeah.

00:39:04.532 --> 00:39:05.856
Well, she spends most of it too.

00:39:06.666 --> 00:39:07.686
Does a good job of both.

00:39:08.077 --> 00:39:08.646
Just kidding.

00:39:08.706 --> 00:39:09.277
Exactly.

00:39:09.427 --> 00:39:10.896
Um, but I don't know.

00:39:10.896 --> 00:39:21.456
I, I'm not, I'm, yes, I think that's true, that there's definitely more personal income being generated by women and there's definitely more single households.

00:39:21.547 --> 00:39:21.967
Yes.

00:39:21.967 --> 00:39:26.257
You know, there's, there's, and I'm not sure that's for the good of humanity necessarily.

00:39:26.257 --> 00:39:31.597
I almost think of, of a, without, you know, insulting your relationship or anybody else's.

00:39:32.016 --> 00:39:36.036
Like a bird is kind of a man and a woman together and that's why they fly.

00:39:36.036 --> 00:39:36.217
Good.

00:39:36.217 --> 00:39:37.206
And if you can have those.

00:39:38.436 --> 00:39:43.387
Powers and wings, uh, relatively equal, but the household still needs a leader.

00:39:43.416 --> 00:39:45.936
And I think that tends to be better when it's the man.

00:39:46.476 --> 00:39:46.567
Mm-hmm.

00:39:46.806 --> 00:39:48.097
Um, and we can argue about that.

00:39:48.097 --> 00:39:48.722
Uh, that might be fine.

00:39:48.722 --> 00:39:49.081
Yeah, that good argue.

00:39:49.507 --> 00:39:56.586
Um, but I look at it more of a, as a, as a, as a whole being when it's united, uh, kind of realm.

00:39:56.586 --> 00:40:00.157
And even if it's a pair of ladies or a pair of men, even for that matter, a hundred percent.

00:40:00.487 --> 00:40:07.356
Um, like people are just not good at being alone as a household, especially, you know, for years.

00:40:07.717 --> 00:40:12.666
Yeah, no, it is about United and that's why I say it's, it's a masculine and feminine energy.

00:40:12.666 --> 00:40:17.347
It's the yin and yang and bringing that together and whatever the actual structure looks like.

00:40:17.887 --> 00:40:21.577
Um, but bringing those energies, like where are your brilliant strengths?

00:40:21.577 --> 00:40:22.567
And you just go and do it.

00:40:22.567 --> 00:40:24.817
And if your wife's doing the, the finances, I love it.

00:40:24.817 --> 00:40:33.967
But like that's her natural and coming together until you're going, you know, being able to unify more harmoniously in, in, in those dimensions is really Yeah.

00:40:34.117 --> 00:40:34.327
Fair.

00:40:34.327 --> 00:40:35.016
Really the opportunity.

00:40:35.016 --> 00:40:41.467
Well, that's why, uh, at Loco here, we've been studying for years now, this, uh, hallow relational intelligence.

00:40:41.856 --> 00:40:45.277
Uh, it's a Brazilian platform that is like disc, but way better.

00:40:45.961 --> 00:40:46.282
I love it.

00:40:46.286 --> 00:40:53.286
And, uh, and it really helps different types of thinkers understand and respect one another and, and kind of relate better.

00:40:53.286 --> 00:40:55.237
And, uh, appreciate the differentness.

00:40:55.336 --> 00:40:56.152
Definitely, definitely.

00:40:56.331 --> 00:41:03.681
Um, and that can happen, you know, I think both with masculine feminine in and also with that details versus ideas and all that kind of stuff.

00:41:03.862 --> 00:41:04.402
Definitely.

00:41:04.492 --> 00:41:17.331
One thing about the, uh, women's wealth transfer thing is when you, you know, when you look at a list of the world's 50 richest people, you know, it's definitely dominated by, by men.

00:41:17.871 --> 00:41:25.762
And when there's women on there, which we have one in Fort Collins here with in Pat Stryker, almost always they inherited it or got it in a divorce.

00:41:26.001 --> 00:41:31.251
There haven't been very many women that created huge wealth over the course of history.

00:41:31.251 --> 00:41:31.253
Mm-hmm.

00:41:31.882 --> 00:41:41.302
And I wonder, is that because of the less competitiveness, like men wanna win by creating the biggest pile of money?

00:41:41.512 --> 00:41:41.751
Mm.

00:41:41.811 --> 00:41:45.952
Or is it some, you know, is it just that men have always controlled more of the wealth?

00:41:45.981 --> 00:41:46.012
Mm.

00:41:46.012 --> 00:41:48.052
And so they've had more opportunities to create wealth.

00:41:48.052 --> 00:41:52.072
I, I wonder because some of those men came from no money either.

00:41:52.132 --> 00:41:52.402
Right?

00:41:52.402 --> 00:41:52.851
A lot of'em.

00:41:52.882 --> 00:41:53.302
Mm.

00:41:53.362 --> 00:41:53.811
Even.

00:41:55.101 --> 00:41:57.501
I think it's a function and there's so many different ways.

00:41:57.592 --> 00:42:06.472
So I'm gonna give again just a perspective, but there's many perspectives that would, would build this story and narrative and, and you know, everybody's gonna have a different perspective.

00:42:07.282 --> 00:42:16.521
But if you historically look at it, and I think it was, it was here only in 1974, I think could, a woman could get a, a credit card or checkbook.

00:42:16.521 --> 00:42:17.961
I can't remember the exact stats.

00:42:18.291 --> 00:42:22.822
I'm not as familiar, uh, currently with, with America's history as I am with South Africa's.

00:42:23.391 --> 00:42:25.851
But even in South Africa, it's like way back.

00:42:25.851 --> 00:42:26.242
I don't know.

00:42:26.302 --> 00:42:31.072
You know, my mom couldn't like, get a a, she wouldn't be able to get a bond or a mortgage on her own.

00:42:31.431 --> 00:42:31.521
Hmm.

00:42:31.581 --> 00:42:37.612
And so just, and then if you think about, you know, typically just the, the bias towards it.

00:42:37.612 --> 00:42:41.121
Say, you know, I look at my, my parents, how many.

00:42:41.737 --> 00:42:50.467
How many more opportunities were like male doctors or, you know, professors or the system systemically was just set up that Sure.

00:42:50.527 --> 00:42:53.226
Generally, males got into the height.

00:42:53.226 --> 00:42:54.942
The country club was the country club club.

00:42:54.947 --> 00:42:56.166
Boys, boys only for a long time.

00:42:56.166 --> 00:42:56.422
Boys only club.

00:42:56.496 --> 00:43:07.297
The golf clubs boys only, you know, it was just set up that, that, you know, historically there were just sort of, uh, I wanna say advantages to being male in the context of what was available.

00:43:07.297 --> 00:43:11.586
And so, so, you know, that's, I wonder, I wonder how that'll play out.

00:43:11.586 --> 00:43:25.356
Like, even as women have gathered, I feel like maybe it's good for men to, to push up against each other and sharpen each other even out, you know, while in leadership of their households.

00:43:25.356 --> 00:43:25.806
I don't know.

00:43:26.106 --> 00:43:26.197
Mm.

00:43:26.257 --> 00:43:28.266
Um, we'll see, we'll see how that plays out, but I'm not.

00:43:28.657 --> 00:43:30.186
Certain it's gonna be for the better.

00:43:30.936 --> 00:43:36.847
Um, not because men are smarter than women necessarily, but we are less moved by emotion.

00:43:37.237 --> 00:43:38.047
You are definitely.

00:43:38.106 --> 00:43:47.436
Um, and you know, so I think not to get, like we've been in a world of propaganda the last, uh, well OB observably for the last several years, you know?

00:43:47.436 --> 00:43:47.646
Yeah.

00:43:48.007 --> 00:43:49.141
At least starting in 2020.

00:43:49.722 --> 00:44:02.646
And the malleability of feelings when confronted with propaganda makes me fear for a world where women actually control too many of the, the resources in the companies and the households.

00:44:03.157 --> 00:44:03.577
I don't know.

00:44:04.056 --> 00:44:09.711
Uh, especially if there's a government full of no good, which seems like most of them are, uh, at least to some extent.

00:44:09.911 --> 00:44:12.157
And I think there's, I think it's just integration.

00:44:12.157 --> 00:44:23.916
You know, how does one get the natural integration of, uh, energies, of dynamics of decision making and have that integrated, you talk about unity, like that integrated whole, right?

00:44:23.947 --> 00:44:24.246
Yeah.

00:44:24.336 --> 00:44:29.677
That considers the all, and that's, that's not to say that it's just women, or it's just men.

00:44:30.396 --> 00:44:33.396
The world's gonna operate best when these worlds are integrated.

00:44:33.757 --> 00:44:34.657
When they together.

00:44:34.657 --> 00:44:48.907
I was just thinking about like a AI that's made for marriage counseling and you know, that, that, like my wife could talk to, you know, after she was annoyed with me because I, you know, drank too much and snored and kept her awake half the night or something like that.

00:44:48.907 --> 00:44:55.956
And like that, she could talk to that AI and it could talk to us and we could be like, well, hey Kurt, you know, maybe you should.

00:44:56.617 --> 00:45:03.097
Take Jill, uh, for lunch on Wednesday because she doesn't have anything going on that day and she would really appreciate a little surprise date.

00:45:03.427 --> 00:45:04.867
Well, you can go or whatever, right?

00:45:04.956 --> 00:45:06.007
Or Absolutely.

00:45:06.007 --> 00:45:14.317
I mean, you can, you don't even have to, it's not even, you know, virtual assistance or, uh, so you can have it in your car giving you a bit of a counseling session Sure.

00:45:14.317 --> 00:45:15.606
As you going on your next drive.

00:45:15.606 --> 00:45:21.067
And, and it'll give, I'm sure, give you a lot of, uh, uh, but AI would struggle with context.

00:45:21.306 --> 00:45:22.567
It struggles with context, right.

00:45:22.567 --> 00:45:26.617
It's only gonna ever gonna be, it's, I think I just keep saying to people, it's only a tool.

00:45:26.617 --> 00:45:27.396
It's only a tool.

00:45:27.697 --> 00:45:40.146
The original inception, the original idea is the way that you prompted, the way that you engage with it is so, so well in a really good therapist or counselor has been through some stuff, or at least they can actually empathize, not just like.

00:45:40.476 --> 00:45:42.726
Read a bunch of books about empathy, a hundred percent.

00:45:42.726 --> 00:45:50.257
Like you and I are sitting here together, we can see each other where there's body language, there's movement, there's like a, there's an intuiting.

00:45:50.257 --> 00:45:54.817
There's a sense making you witnessing and, and you know, AI's just never going to get, never gonna do that.

00:45:54.817 --> 00:45:55.927
It's never gonna yeahinteresting.

00:45:56.617 --> 00:46:01.117
Uh, so what would you like to see develop out of the center for of Liberation?

00:46:01.356 --> 00:46:21.487
Mm, so definitely just a more, uh, you know, I'll call it a more conscious movement in, in the orientation of business and leadership and, um, how do we move forward in, into a world that is more generally more caring, um, and more like enhancing and uplifting.

00:46:22.297 --> 00:46:28.686
I think it always surprised me, um, and sustainability.

00:46:28.686 --> 00:46:33.336
When I say sustainability before I go into what surprised me, there's many things that surprise me.

00:46:33.666 --> 00:46:38.887
But, uh, you know, I think the sustainability people are so fearful and I.

00:46:39.367 --> 00:46:42.666
Around their wellbeing, their finances, will they be all right?

00:46:42.666 --> 00:46:52.297
Like, I think there's such a, there's such a fear around like not having, and so creating opportunities where businesses continue to thrive and don't get scared.

00:46:52.327 --> 00:46:55.746
This is not about don't, don't collapse, don't give up, don't shut down.

00:46:56.137 --> 00:47:00.246
But you have to be on top of what now adds value and continues to create value.

00:47:00.246 --> 00:47:03.007
And, and that's going to be a figuring out for all of us.

00:47:03.007 --> 00:47:18.306
So really sense of liberation is about supporting entrepreneurs or supporting businesses to make sense of the current world and then to reinvent and to be comfortable, to continuously reinvent, to be creating value for others and to staying, staying on top of it.

00:47:18.306 --> 00:47:36.067
And I think, you know, one of the things that would surprise me when I was sitting around the leadership tables and executive tables is always like found it surprising that we would always be hitting numbers and targets and plenty, plenty of billions of dollars, you know, revenue or profit.

00:47:37.612 --> 00:47:46.282
And at nearly the end of every conversation or after the, the financial feedback was like, okay, but now we've got headwinds and so where are we gonna cut costs?

00:47:46.282 --> 00:47:50.032
And who are we gonna cut and where can we see, you know, there's this conversation of mindset.

00:47:50.032 --> 00:47:56.181
On the one hand you like, there's, but then right in the next sentence it's like, where do we cut?

00:47:56.271 --> 00:47:57.831
And there's not enough and there's not enough.

00:47:57.831 --> 00:48:01.851
And like it's headwinds and it's, those worlds don't come together.

00:48:01.851 --> 00:48:10.461
And so you know that people can actually just thrive and to dismantle the scarcity and be proactive in terms of sustainability.

00:48:10.461 --> 00:48:20.632
Sustaining your businesses, sustaining your profitability, profitability pools, thinking smartly and cleverly to be able to set up, have more time.

00:48:20.902 --> 00:48:22.972
Uh, uh, I wanna say with more ease.

00:48:22.972 --> 00:48:24.291
There's just so much like.

00:48:24.996 --> 00:48:30.067
Constriction and fear and rushing and busy and like hustling and, you know, yeah.

00:48:30.067 --> 00:48:32.407
The American experience especially, I don't know if, oh no.

00:48:32.407 --> 00:48:33.847
Johannesburg full on.

00:48:33.847 --> 00:48:40.206
Also the same, full on all, you know, all night, you email whatever, emailing, getting up early, it's just like, whew.

00:48:40.206 --> 00:48:41.257
So Steady hustle.

00:48:41.257 --> 00:48:41.317
Whew.

00:48:42.157 --> 00:49:00.217
So, so Center of Liberation is just like liberating, more freedom and ease in the way that we do business sustainability and, and supporting individuals, small businesses, you know, leadership teams to grow, be less fearful, and to, to really like, make sense of, of what's happening and how they set themselves.

00:49:00.217 --> 00:49:01.836
And is this a, a, a solo.

00:49:02.211 --> 00:49:03.112
Practice right now.

00:49:03.112 --> 00:49:09.112
And do you have imaginations of adding more people to it or is there more, more of you out there in the center?

00:49:09.411 --> 00:49:12.141
Is it a, is it a digital center with multiple people in there?

00:49:12.141 --> 00:49:20.751
Um, it'll become more digital and like I say, I've got a, a couple of great prospects on the horizon to cr to expand it quite significantly.

00:49:20.766 --> 00:49:21.056
Okay.

00:49:21.411 --> 00:49:26.661
Um, and so really hoping to, to have a, and kind of a bit of a formalized offering kind of, uh, yeah.

00:49:27.217 --> 00:49:33.621
I'm, if you, I'm working with, with, with individuals and some, and, you know, clients still in Southco and across the globe leaders and stuff like that.

00:49:33.621 --> 00:49:39.532
So I've got like, uh, you know, always looking to expand and especially since I've arrived here and sort of really accepted the business.

00:49:39.532 --> 00:49:43.371
So, um, it's been going for the last year and a half since I arrived here.

00:49:43.371 --> 00:49:43.461
Yeah.

00:49:43.822 --> 00:49:56.422
But definitely, you know, I've got, got plans to expand it and to bring more people on and then to create more of like both figuratively and literally like a center where we will, we will work.

00:49:56.722 --> 00:50:02.121
In different realms and with different levels of, let's say leadership development, leadership capability.

00:50:02.632 --> 00:50:08.181
Um, you know, I run various courses and programs in person boot camps, different things.

00:50:08.242 --> 00:50:08.692
Yeah.

00:50:08.692 --> 00:50:10.161
And just, just online as well.

00:50:10.161 --> 00:50:16.311
But they're mostly like, you know, I do a lot of strategy work for, for both entrepreneurs and businesses and leaders.

00:50:16.791 --> 00:50:20.931
Um, and then bring in and blend in, well how do you move the culture?

00:50:20.931 --> 00:50:28.311
How, you know, how do you, how do you evolve the culture in order to make sure that you're, you're marrying up those worlds, uh, to deliver value.

00:50:28.581 --> 00:50:28.791
Okay.

00:50:28.791 --> 00:50:29.152
Yeah.

00:50:29.391 --> 00:50:30.891
Um, I wanna call a quick break.

00:50:31.161 --> 00:50:31.521
Yes.

00:50:31.521 --> 00:50:35.961
And then we will come back and talk more about South Africa, where you've been Yeah.

00:50:36.081 --> 00:50:36.472
F fantastic.

00:50:36.472 --> 00:50:37.132
Your life journey.

00:50:37.402 --> 00:50:37.911
Amazing.

00:50:38.001 --> 00:50:38.302
Alright.

00:51:32.016 --> 00:51:32.827
And we're back.

00:51:33.396 --> 00:51:35.376
So how'd you enjoy that bathroom break?

00:51:36.126 --> 00:51:36.757
So good.

00:51:37.327 --> 00:51:39.786
Your bathroom is fucking amazing.

00:51:40.536 --> 00:51:40.746
Thank you.

00:51:40.746 --> 00:51:40.750
It's pretty clean.

00:51:40.755 --> 00:51:49.927
You know that, that's a great, I trying to, especially the way that, that that flashes, well, the handle fell off the other day and when I put it back together, I couldn't figure out how to make the flesher go right.

00:51:49.927 --> 00:51:51.606
But I figured out how to make it go backwards.

00:51:51.606 --> 00:51:53.617
So I was like, well, could, well, there you, you go.

00:51:53.617 --> 00:51:55.387
You see how I mean, and most people figure it out.

00:51:55.387 --> 00:51:56.766
We haven't even had any questions.

00:51:56.887 --> 00:51:57.277
No.

00:51:57.277 --> 00:51:59.617
It's like, okay, well, that this way's not working.

00:51:59.617 --> 00:52:00.547
It's gotta be another way.

00:52:00.606 --> 00:52:00.847
Yeah.

00:52:00.847 --> 00:52:02.827
Like you need a, you know, you need to Perfect.

00:52:02.827 --> 00:52:04.027
Put a little signpost there.

00:52:04.032 --> 00:52:23.646
You know, when you come into a door, it says push or pull, just in, uh, arches National Park, uh, there's a sign in the, in the restrooms there that says, like, uh, number one, sit on the toilet to use Ah, uh, which I, I read this sign while I was standing in front of the toilet.

00:52:23.646 --> 00:52:24.817
'cause that's where the sign is.

00:52:25.146 --> 00:52:27.487
And then, uh, do not stand on the toilet.

00:52:28.297 --> 00:52:29.916
Um, uh.

00:52:30.291 --> 00:52:32.751
Uh, use the toilet, not the floor.

00:52:33.411 --> 00:52:35.512
It was all these like dumb rules.

00:52:35.842 --> 00:52:35.871
Oh.

00:52:35.871 --> 00:52:36.891
Anyway, I digress.

00:52:36.952 --> 00:52:39.382
Yeah, I thought it was one of those, uh, okay.

00:52:40.101 --> 00:52:43.552
This is one of those trick things and he's, he's deliberately let me go first.

00:52:43.552 --> 00:52:46.791
'cause now he's enjoying like, me trying to figure out that of flesh.

00:52:47.271 --> 00:52:47.331
Yeah.

00:52:47.331 --> 00:52:48.711
Even I'll watch the footage later.

00:52:48.711 --> 00:52:49.161
It's really fun.

00:52:50.177 --> 00:52:50.666
Just kidding.

00:52:53.242 --> 00:52:54.081
No footage in there.

00:52:54.681 --> 00:53:01.672
Um, so I've been, one of the reasons I wanted to have you on is because, like I've been interested in South Africa for a long time.

00:53:01.672 --> 00:53:01.762
Yes.

00:53:01.762 --> 00:53:06.771
And I mentioned when we had coffee that my, my, my brother actually employs three Yes.

00:53:06.777 --> 00:53:10.342
Young men from South Africa on his farm, or my dad and brother do, I guess.

00:53:10.791 --> 00:53:11.842
Um, and so.

00:53:12.621 --> 00:53:16.012
You're not probably as old as I am, but you're, you're getting up there.

00:53:16.012 --> 00:53:16.887
So probably were very close.

00:53:16.887 --> 00:53:23.632
Take me back to the, the, your earliest days, uh, of your 50 several in, in South Africa.

00:53:23.632 --> 00:53:26.061
Like what was your family environment?

00:53:26.061 --> 00:53:28.521
What, what was, did you have siblings?

00:53:28.521 --> 00:53:30.262
What were your parents doing for work?

00:53:30.262 --> 00:53:33.411
Like, take me to first grade or you're equivalent and Wow, I love it.

00:53:33.411 --> 00:53:33.621
Yeah.

00:53:33.711 --> 00:53:34.882
It would be first grade.

00:53:34.882 --> 00:53:39.295
So we go to, back then we went to school at, uh, six and, uh, six years old.

00:53:39.295 --> 00:53:39.295
Okay.

00:53:39.300 --> 00:53:40.012
Six years old now.

00:53:40.012 --> 00:53:42.052
I think kids are going, you get preschool.

00:53:42.052 --> 00:53:48.447
I don't know what it is here, but it's like three or four people already, uh, sending their kids to some kind of, um, yeah, some kind of organized activities.

00:53:48.467 --> 00:53:49.101
So yeah.

00:53:49.101 --> 00:53:49.791
Thank you so much.

00:53:49.791 --> 00:53:52.282
And, uh, the real trip down memory lane.

00:53:52.282 --> 00:53:55.041
So great to, great to devil into the space.

00:53:55.222 --> 00:53:56.032
Um.

00:53:56.737 --> 00:53:59.016
Parents, teachers, dad was a headmaster.

00:53:59.016 --> 00:54:00.396
Is they're both still alive.

00:54:00.396 --> 00:54:01.836
They live in a, in a headmaster.

00:54:01.836 --> 00:54:03.097
So like a private school setting?

00:54:03.097 --> 00:54:04.297
Private school.

00:54:04.356 --> 00:54:04.387
Okay.

00:54:04.387 --> 00:54:05.257
Well back out.

00:54:05.257 --> 00:54:09.456
Our education system changed, uh, quite a lot once Mandela was released, so.

00:54:09.817 --> 00:54:09.936
Okay.

00:54:10.056 --> 00:54:15.306
Um, so it was public school and public schooling back then was really.

00:54:17.797 --> 00:54:18.817
Like private schooling.

00:54:19.356 --> 00:54:21.306
So he was a headmaster at school.

00:54:21.306 --> 00:54:21.336
Okay.

00:54:21.427 --> 00:54:25.086
And, uh, mom was a teacher, pri uh, primary school teacher.

00:54:25.086 --> 00:54:25.117
Okay.

00:54:25.597 --> 00:54:29.317
Um, and yeah, my early days it was, it was really interesting.

00:54:29.317 --> 00:54:30.577
I mean, just you No siblings.

00:54:30.577 --> 00:54:31.686
Two older sisters.

00:54:31.686 --> 00:54:31.717
Okay.

00:54:31.717 --> 00:54:32.887
They both live in Australia.

00:54:32.887 --> 00:54:38.766
Very common for South Africans to, uh, is it to, to, they talk kind of funny over there too, so it's easier.

00:54:38.856 --> 00:54:39.217
Yeah.

00:54:39.336 --> 00:54:40.597
Well, and to, to leave.

00:54:40.597 --> 00:54:43.717
So it's, but Australia's got a lot of South Africans.

00:54:44.226 --> 00:54:44.856
Oh, I wouldn't have known that.

00:54:44.887 --> 00:54:45.246
Yeah.

00:54:45.547 --> 00:54:48.007
Lots, lots and lots of s So your siblings have, have moved on.

00:54:48.007 --> 00:54:49.297
So my siblings live there.

00:54:49.297 --> 00:54:52.266
My eldest sister's been there for I maybe 30 years.

00:54:52.266 --> 00:54:56.496
My middle sister, I'm the youngest of three, uh, probably about 10 or 12 years.

00:54:56.947 --> 00:54:56.976
Okay.

00:54:56.976 --> 00:54:58.056
So, um.

00:54:59.061 --> 00:55:02.601
So my, my three sisters, I was the youngest one.

00:55:02.632 --> 00:55:06.532
You were in Johannesburg, which is in Johannesburg, big city already back then, I guess.

00:55:06.532 --> 00:55:07.942
Or how, how big a city is it?

00:55:08.152 --> 00:55:09.382
So, sure.

00:55:09.532 --> 00:55:13.641
Johannesburg, you know, south African fit, I think can fit in California.

00:55:13.641 --> 00:55:16.192
I'll just say that America is like huge, right?

00:55:16.311 --> 00:55:20.181
I strongly recommend for anybody, uh, yeah, it's an adventure.

00:55:20.181 --> 00:55:20.661
Number one.

00:55:20.661 --> 00:55:23.061
Just, you know, go to South Korea, but secondly move countries.

00:55:23.422 --> 00:55:26.391
It's, uh, a significant, uh, yeah.

00:55:26.481 --> 00:55:28.132
Uh, transformative experience.

00:55:28.612 --> 00:55:34.882
Um, but Johannesburg is probably, um, it's probably like a Denver Okay.

00:55:34.882 --> 00:55:37.972
Sort of, you know, bit bigger, bigger than Denver.

00:55:37.972 --> 00:55:39.862
Over a million with the whole thing.

00:55:39.867 --> 00:55:39.987
Yeah.

00:55:39.987 --> 00:55:40.106
Plenty.

00:55:40.106 --> 00:55:40.306
Plenty.

00:55:40.371 --> 00:55:40.702
Yeah.

00:55:41.061 --> 00:55:42.351
Well over a million people.

00:55:42.382 --> 00:55:42.561
Okay.

00:55:43.041 --> 00:55:47.121
Um, and so you're looking at, um.

00:55:48.516 --> 00:55:48.757
Sure.

00:55:48.847 --> 00:55:51.757
It was like, you know, I just remember being sort of super free.

00:55:51.757 --> 00:55:54.666
I was always on my bicycle or doing something with friends.

00:55:54.786 --> 00:55:54.817
Okay.

00:55:54.817 --> 00:55:55.686
So kind free, free range.

00:55:55.686 --> 00:55:58.836
Free range kids in those days, free range kids.

00:55:58.836 --> 00:56:04.896
And, you know, I was too young to really know too much or understand too much about apartheid.

00:56:04.956 --> 00:56:09.726
Like I just, like, I knew of this thing, but it wasn't really super impactful.

00:56:09.786 --> 00:56:13.717
Like when you say public school, was it like public school for everybody?

00:56:13.717 --> 00:56:15.367
As long as you're white, kind of, yeah.

00:56:15.456 --> 00:56:15.842
Yeah, yeah.

00:56:15.981 --> 00:56:26.797
So, so what it looked like was apartheid was like you, you would have, well, uh, we call them house managers, house workers.

00:56:27.757 --> 00:56:28.686
So similar to you guys.

00:56:28.686 --> 00:56:30.126
Clean your house cleaners here.

00:56:30.126 --> 00:56:30.217
Sure.

00:56:30.637 --> 00:56:32.887
So that was really like my only interaction.

00:56:32.887 --> 00:56:35.797
We had this house cleaner and her name was Andika.

00:56:35.797 --> 00:56:36.606
Absolutely loved her.

00:56:37.027 --> 00:56:39.246
She brought me up, you know, my folks were aren't teaching.

00:56:39.547 --> 00:56:39.606
Yeah.

00:56:39.757 --> 00:56:39.998
Part of your family.

00:56:39.998 --> 00:56:40.686
Part of my family.

00:56:40.686 --> 00:56:40.927
And she.

00:56:41.271 --> 00:56:50.782
Um, and so that was, it remained super common, but yeah, like in, like it wasn't, you didn't, there were no black people, the first black person to come into our school.

00:56:50.782 --> 00:56:58.672
My high school was, I was 13 or 14, but I didn't really know any different, you know, it was just like, that's just the way it was.

00:56:58.672 --> 00:57:05.527
Were they not like mixing on the streets of Johannesburg and stuff and delivering the They were absolutely the stuff to the grocery stores.

00:57:05.766 --> 00:57:05.967
Absolutely.

00:57:06.472 --> 00:57:06.891
Andies and whatever.

00:57:06.922 --> 00:57:07.251
Yeah.

00:57:07.251 --> 00:57:13.972
So, but it was just like, um, it wasn't a big presence in those days.

00:57:13.972 --> 00:57:19.161
They had to have what they called, it's almost like a, you know, your vaccine booklet, but, uh, I can't remember.

00:57:19.161 --> 00:57:20.181
Like a pass almost some sorts.

00:57:20.181 --> 00:57:20.572
Yeah.

00:57:20.572 --> 00:57:25.762
So they had to live in certain areas and had Oh, to kind of be in the white man areas.

00:57:25.762 --> 00:57:27.086
You had to kinda Interesting.

00:57:27.086 --> 00:57:31.101
So, so there was a lot of segregation like that, which again, I didn't understand as a kid.

00:57:31.581 --> 00:57:33.652
And so they weren't at when I was in primary school.

00:57:33.652 --> 00:57:37.942
And like, I only in my second year at high school did we have our first black person coming in, and then they.

00:57:38.512 --> 00:57:42.981
When Manta came out, um, got released from prison, obviously so much changed.

00:57:42.981 --> 00:57:44.947
So the whole, the whole system did changed.

00:57:44.947 --> 00:57:47.347
Did he get swept into power almost immediately or the release almost immediate.

00:57:47.617 --> 00:57:53.067
Some prison was almost an acknowledgement that things were gonna change now or, yeah, and I mean, that was very And when was this?

00:57:53.067 --> 00:57:58.251
It's been, been in, I remember it, but yeah, 94 he was actually released, but there was a significant buildup.

00:57:58.251 --> 00:58:12.411
So the tensions in the country prior to his release were, were like significant, obviously the uprisings and um, you know, sort of really wanting a sense of freedom, his release, but black people wanting a sense of freedom and, and just for things to change.

00:58:12.416 --> 00:58:12.981
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:12.981 --> 00:58:20.242
You know, the government was changing and so there was a lot of, um, sort of, uh, which wasn't very public.

00:58:20.242 --> 00:58:25.431
Now, again, going back then in 94 I was when he was actually released.

00:58:25.431 --> 00:58:28.731
But the buildup, you know, I was going through 16, 17, 18.

00:58:28.731 --> 00:58:28.822
Sure.

00:58:28.822 --> 00:58:29.152
Okay.

00:58:29.572 --> 00:58:30.262
Years old.

00:58:30.262 --> 00:58:32.242
So I was understanding it.

00:58:33.081 --> 00:58:36.081
But it was a lot to try and comprehend what was actually going on.

00:58:36.081 --> 00:58:37.371
But there was a lot of tension.

00:58:37.371 --> 00:58:39.532
There was a lot of like conflict.

00:58:39.532 --> 00:58:42.351
There was a lot, there was big concern about civil war.

00:58:42.621 --> 00:58:48.862
And you know, I remember my younger years, like I said, was playing on the road, riding my bike, being amongst people.

00:58:48.862 --> 00:58:50.601
But there's always, there's like, be careful, be careful.

00:58:50.601 --> 00:58:52.101
There was a lot of anger in the system.

00:58:52.106 --> 00:58:52.277
Mm-hmm.

00:58:52.356 --> 00:58:53.181
And understandably.

00:58:53.782 --> 00:59:00.382
Um, you know, and over the years there were just more bars and more walls being put up and more security being put put up.

00:59:00.382 --> 00:59:03.983
And more concern for, um, for one's safety.

00:59:04.311 --> 00:59:12.322
Safety, especially for by lady, the uprising of, of anger and frustration and, you know, I can understand that and wanting change.

00:59:12.322 --> 00:59:18.411
And so, you know, just prior to, to Mandela being released, it had significantly escalated.

00:59:18.501 --> 00:59:21.322
You know, it was, there was a lot of violence and a lot of, yeah.

00:59:21.411 --> 00:59:23.242
Uh, it was uncomfortable.

00:59:23.271 --> 00:59:29.931
I remember, I don't know, I wonder if this is, if this is accurate, but I remember being really swayed by Mandela's.

00:59:30.891 --> 00:59:32.782
Talks and position and values.

00:59:32.871 --> 00:59:32.931
Hmm.

00:59:33.322 --> 00:59:39.052
And, and even as he tried to make reforms after a release and stuff, it was very positive.

00:59:39.052 --> 00:59:49.822
And then it felt to me as an outsider looking in that he got influenced by power and kind of corrupted by Marxism kind of tendencies and things, and really kind of let it go sideways after.

00:59:49.822 --> 00:59:56.842
Not'cause he was the ruler of the country after not too long Right after that, or many years later.

00:59:57.262 --> 00:59:57.322
Yeah.

00:59:57.322 --> 00:59:57.472
No, no, no.

00:59:57.472 --> 01:00:09.322
But it felt like, he felt like he started strong and then like a lot of people when they go to Washington, DC turned into a, you know, a government stooge again, that was, you know, hooking up the insiders and punishing the outsiders.

01:00:09.681 --> 01:00:10.101
Yeah.

01:00:10.492 --> 01:00:16.911
You know, I think, I think his, his leadership, uh, was for me very.

01:00:17.601 --> 01:00:18.592
A lot of positives.

01:00:18.592 --> 01:00:20.902
There was a lot, a lot of positives for me.

01:00:20.902 --> 01:00:28.416
I feel like the country, unfortunately, for me personally, I feel like the leader subsequent to, to Mandel, it was later he did a good job.

01:00:28.436 --> 01:00:29.931
But he was, I feel like he did a great job.

01:00:29.931 --> 01:00:35.931
His leadership was, was as to as far an extent that he could do, you know, obviously he would've been hard to change a big system.

01:00:35.931 --> 01:00:35.932
Yeah.

01:00:36.027 --> 01:00:36.376
Super.

01:00:36.827 --> 01:00:41.777
There was so much to fix, like Trump in his first term, so much to fix, you know?

01:00:41.782 --> 01:00:41.961
Yeah.

01:00:41.961 --> 01:00:43.672
And, and just to calm the country.

01:00:43.677 --> 01:00:43.896
Yeah, yeah.

01:00:43.902 --> 01:00:43.911
Yeah.

01:00:43.911 --> 01:01:01.342
Like he did a phenomenal job just to, to calm the country and what he did to prevent, you know, sort of civil war and civil outbreaks because, you know, black people were super angry and, and you know, it's sad because these systems are implemented and, you know, I'm coming up as a 17, 18, 19-year-old.

01:01:01.342 --> 01:01:03.532
I had no choice in terms of Right.

01:01:03.652 --> 01:01:07.056
The system did the education that you got versus somebody else.

01:01:07.056 --> 01:01:09.112
So angry with me personally, you know?

01:01:09.112 --> 01:01:09.112
Sure.

01:01:09.652 --> 01:01:14.152
And um, uh, and so I feel like, you know.

01:01:15.067 --> 01:01:21.246
There was so much, and this again is only my personal perspective and, and I can only give my personal perspective.

01:01:21.487 --> 01:01:24.637
It's complex, very complex topic.

01:01:24.726 --> 01:01:27.967
Um, but there was so much possibility.

01:01:27.967 --> 01:01:33.351
And, and I do feel there was a, a good period of, um, 6, 7, 8 years where it was very upbeat.

01:01:33.351 --> 01:01:37.146
And even on the, I think on the world stage, you know, it was very promising.

01:01:37.777 --> 01:01:48.396
And unfortunately as he got on in years, and I would say, you know, unfortunate for me the experience of the next level of leaders coming in, that's where a lot of corruption started coming in.

01:01:48.396 --> 01:01:53.226
And that was noticeable and, and devastating.

01:01:53.226 --> 01:02:01.387
I mean, is the devastating for the country is the average black person better off now than they were PREA apartheid?

01:02:01.567 --> 01:02:02.047
Mm.

01:02:02.077 --> 01:02:07.476
'cause the economy in South Africa has kind of had a steady decline over the last Yeah, it's been tough decade or 15 years.

01:02:07.476 --> 01:02:12.847
It's um, I think so much mismanaged funds.

01:02:13.206 --> 01:02:15.936
And, you know, there's so much cultural influence.

01:02:15.936 --> 01:02:18.487
I think there's, you know, we've got like 11 languages.

01:02:18.487 --> 01:02:19.211
I can't even speak.

01:02:19.211 --> 01:02:19.411
Oh, really?

01:02:19.472 --> 01:02:19.777
Can speak.

01:02:19.867 --> 01:02:21.126
I can speak English obviously.

01:02:21.126 --> 01:02:23.318
And, and, uh, I can understand Afrikaans and speak.

01:02:23.431 --> 01:02:24.126
Are you speak English?

01:02:24.396 --> 01:02:24.666
Yeah.

01:02:24.672 --> 01:02:25.172
Imagine that.

01:02:26.161 --> 01:02:26.452
Yeah.

01:02:26.456 --> 01:02:27.652
Tell me what Ahan sounds like.

01:02:27.652 --> 01:02:29.077
It's kind the key Afrikaans part.

01:02:29.137 --> 01:02:37.331
Uh, may, it's been so long now, I haven't been around Africans for so long, so, and that's like Dutch who can't, it's a bit of a mix like on Dutch.

01:02:37.362 --> 01:02:37.652
Yeah.

01:02:37.652 --> 01:02:41.947
A bit of a twitch twist on Dutch and a bit of, we've got quite a lot of Dutch influence.

01:02:42.157 --> 01:02:42.516
Yeah.

01:02:42.516 --> 01:02:43.117
I thought so.

01:02:43.487 --> 01:02:43.637
Okay.

01:02:44.327 --> 01:02:44.626
Yeah.

01:02:48.317 --> 01:02:48.992
Oh yeah, definitely.

01:02:48.992 --> 01:02:49.632
Sounds Dutch.

01:02:49.632 --> 01:02:50.512
Kind of my ear.

01:02:50.811 --> 01:02:59.507
And I don't, I don't have a very, I've got more of like a softer, um, eng English orientated accent, so I can't always get into the Yeah, fair enough.

01:03:00.106 --> 01:03:11.146
So, um, you know, it's very, very multi multicultural and very strong and steeped in, and the different cultures, even amongst the black, uh, people have very different ways of operating.

01:03:11.146 --> 01:03:13.456
So I was listening to a podcast about that.

01:03:13.577 --> 01:03:13.757
Mm.

01:03:13.817 --> 01:03:15.317
Uh, a while back actually.

01:03:15.347 --> 01:03:15.376
Mm.

01:03:15.436 --> 01:03:19.396
And there was like, uh, an indigenous tribe.

01:03:19.547 --> 01:03:22.757
South Africa wasn't very heavily populated when the white people got there.

01:03:23.117 --> 01:03:25.126
Yeah, no, there was a little bit of tribal activity.

01:03:25.126 --> 01:03:25.217
Yes.

01:03:25.217 --> 01:03:35.836
But it wasn't like the big, um, Congolese tribes and the Zulus and some of the others, but then some of the northern tribes like pushed down and the founding of the country really.

01:03:36.396 --> 01:03:41.797
Kind of solidified when the, the whites and some of the indigenous blacks pushed back against the tribal blacks.

01:03:42.036 --> 01:03:42.456
Yes.

01:03:42.757 --> 01:03:43.056
Yeah.

01:03:43.056 --> 01:03:45.487
Uh, more, which I had no idea that story was part of the founding.

01:03:45.876 --> 01:03:46.206
Yeah.

01:03:46.206 --> 01:03:57.246
So very, I mean, it's rich, rich, rich with, uh, with story and heritage and history and, um, like to so many different dimensions and facets to it.

01:03:57.246 --> 01:04:04.896
So, um, you know, when you ask the question, what do I think are, you know, the economy's unfortunately declined.

01:04:04.927 --> 01:04:14.197
It's, has been, um, I think just so much unfortunate, unfortunate, um, you know, corruption of funds and misuse of funds.

01:04:14.737 --> 01:04:20.226
Uh, we sit, I think when I left we were sitting with an unemployment rate of about 40%.

01:04:20.317 --> 01:04:20.856
40.

01:04:21.126 --> 01:04:21.606
Yeah.

01:04:21.697 --> 01:04:22.056
So, wow.

01:04:22.056 --> 01:04:22.597
Huge.

01:04:22.597 --> 01:04:29.931
You know, and it's, and unfortunately, you know, for me, I feel like the black population, uh, did not benefit.

01:04:30.802 --> 01:04:33.411
You know, small pockets of populations, some of them, the corrupted ones.

01:04:33.411 --> 01:04:33.967
Yeah, some.

01:04:34.072 --> 01:04:35.061
Some of them definitely.

01:04:35.061 --> 01:04:37.972
And you know, obviously you had a lot of, we had various systems put in place a.

01:04:39.141 --> 01:04:39.382
B.

01:04:39.382 --> 01:04:40.041
E.

01:04:40.041 --> 01:04:43.612
E Broadbased Black economic Empowerment was a government driven system.

01:04:43.702 --> 01:04:43.791
Mm-hmm.

01:04:44.117 --> 01:04:52.717
So, so black people came into organizations and a lot of effort and money went into obviously education and,'cause that's at the heart of it is the Sure.

01:04:52.851 --> 01:04:54.231
The lack of education.

01:04:54.262 --> 01:04:54.382
Yeah.

01:04:54.382 --> 01:04:56.597
How can you ask somebody to step up and be a leader of a company?

01:04:57.177 --> 01:04:58.101
So, a hundred percent.

01:04:58.101 --> 01:05:05.121
So for so many years, years, black people had didn't have access to high quality education or no education.

01:05:05.121 --> 01:05:07.942
And so, you know, that takes decades to unwind.

01:05:07.942 --> 01:05:08.422
Yeah.

01:05:08.456 --> 01:05:24.777
And our education system for me, you know, we, we obviously the school system changed and there were a lot of private schools, but now you still got inequality in the context of like wealth and being able to attend schools and, you know, you've obviously got, got people going through universities at different levels and so definitely, yeah.

01:05:24.806 --> 01:05:31.152
You know, a lot more, um, equalization of blacks coming into companies and then building up and Yeah.

01:05:31.347 --> 01:05:38.666
You know, and there's been a lot of success stories as well, a lot of success stories and incr like, I mean, my colleagues, I just love the stories.

01:05:38.666 --> 01:05:39.746
Oh my gosh.

01:05:39.746 --> 01:05:43.947
The stories of, of some of my co, plenty of my colleagues were just like.

01:05:44.376 --> 01:05:44.916
Wow.

01:05:44.972 --> 01:05:46.222
What you had to go through to get here.

01:05:46.481 --> 01:05:48.336
You just, just, and you're talking about your colleagues at the bank.

01:05:48.396 --> 01:05:49.657
Yeah, my colleagues at, at the bank.

01:05:49.657 --> 01:05:50.467
People like pushed through.

01:05:50.527 --> 01:05:51.157
Yeah.

01:05:51.157 --> 01:05:53.407
And story after story and after story.

01:05:53.407 --> 01:05:59.016
And just the spirit of like, you know, so many things would just, would take for granted, you know?

01:05:59.016 --> 01:05:59.257
Sure.

01:05:59.257 --> 01:06:03.666
I, to every now and again, walk to school and, and, you know, walk up the road and walk down the road.

01:06:03.666 --> 01:06:13.297
But like, you know, and these guys at, at the young, young ages, they were walking like miles just to get to school miles and no shoes and hardly any lunch.

01:06:13.297 --> 01:06:19.056
And they would be up on the, the farms like farming first and they had their chores to do and then walk miles and miles.

01:06:19.056 --> 01:06:21.697
But I'm talking like two hours to get to school, two hours to get back.

01:06:21.697 --> 01:06:24.157
And then they look after their brothers and sisters, right.

01:06:24.157 --> 01:06:29.856
Because they, you know, their parents had come to Johannesburg 16 hour days, uh, seven days a week kind of thing.

01:06:30.097 --> 01:06:31.027
Incredible.

01:06:31.027 --> 01:06:33.036
And incredible stories.

01:06:33.036 --> 01:06:34.177
Incredible stories.

01:06:34.177 --> 01:06:38.347
So, um, you know, so much good, like, so, so much good.

01:06:38.436 --> 01:06:41.226
Like, I mean, I'm, I, the people, it's very real.

01:06:41.706 --> 01:06:42.157
Culture.

01:06:42.157 --> 01:06:44.226
It's a very real, yeah, people are very real.

01:06:44.226 --> 01:06:48.007
Like we've, we've been through a lot as a, you know, as a nation Yeah.

01:06:48.007 --> 01:06:48.847
As a country.

01:06:48.847 --> 01:06:52.867
And is there a united individuals nation feeling they, can they be it better?

01:06:53.197 --> 01:07:08.467
Like right now in the United States, we're like kind of divided as much as I've seen in a lot of ways between the, you know, Trump's great Trump's Hitler camps, um, uh, you know, with a few Inbetweeners and they're not sure.

01:07:08.556 --> 01:07:08.646
Yeah.

01:07:08.737 --> 01:07:23.376
Uh, and, uh, but is it that, uh, vivid of a, uh, is, is there still headbutting between the black communities and the white communities, or there's a lot more relationships than one would think and they're more for South Africa?

01:07:24.876 --> 01:07:26.137
Or where, where is that setting now?

01:07:26.137 --> 01:07:27.402
I know you've been gone now a couple years.

01:07:27.922 --> 01:07:28.322
I don't know.

01:07:28.512 --> 01:07:28.961
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:29.181 --> 01:07:31.987
So, so I think, you know, obviously I think, and Covid might have been tougher.

01:07:32.331 --> 01:07:32.751
Right.

01:07:32.751 --> 01:07:36.472
'cause I remember South Africa got kind of thrown under the bus for some stuff early.

01:07:36.472 --> 01:07:36.956
I think we get thrown out.

01:07:37.197 --> 01:07:38.632
I think we, we get thrown under the bus.

01:07:38.632 --> 01:07:42.797
I don't remember what that was of context, but I remember they got screwed by the international kind of scene there.

01:07:42.797 --> 01:07:43.077
Yeah.

01:07:43.737 --> 01:07:46.876
All the, the variations came from Oh, the varis.

01:07:46.876 --> 01:07:47.117
Yeah.

01:07:47.317 --> 01:07:49.851
'cause you guys were, varis came from not vaccinated enough or something.

01:07:49.856 --> 01:07:54.561
We, we, we sit somewhere in the corner of the world and the variants come.

01:07:55.311 --> 01:08:05.181
Um, you know, I think, uh, I would say it ebbs and flows and, um, I would say.

01:08:06.786 --> 01:08:12.936
The majority of people, black, white, Indian, doesn't really matter matter what, what color they want piece.

01:08:13.297 --> 01:08:13.927
They want a break.

01:08:13.927 --> 01:08:15.277
So for 80% of people, they don't care.

01:08:15.336 --> 01:08:16.176
They want a break.

01:08:16.176 --> 01:08:23.226
They just want, want good, they want a bit of a break and they, they want piece and they like, can things just be better?

01:08:23.407 --> 01:08:23.676
Yeah.

01:08:23.676 --> 01:08:26.587
You know, can, can things just get better and can things be better?

01:08:26.587 --> 01:08:31.806
And we're a country that will very easily get united.

01:08:31.806 --> 01:08:33.577
So when there's real, when the chips are down.

01:08:33.577 --> 01:08:37.177
So in Covid it was, you know, a lot of unity.

01:08:37.777 --> 01:08:40.296
A lot of unity, a lot of sorting out when things need to get sorted out.

01:08:40.296 --> 01:08:40.896
You'll see the.

01:08:41.796 --> 01:08:44.077
Everyone comes together and sorts it out, you know?

01:08:44.646 --> 01:08:44.827
Yeah.

01:08:44.827 --> 01:08:51.936
We would sit for, um, you know, for 10 years and I, I know there's power outages that can happen here and, you know, around the world.

01:08:51.936 --> 01:08:55.837
And I think there was huge internet art outages, uh, across the globe.

01:08:55.867 --> 01:08:56.016
Yeah.

01:08:56.046 --> 01:08:57.096
Yesterday, for example.

01:08:57.096 --> 01:09:00.546
But South Africa, it's like, you know, you so we're so innovative.

01:09:00.546 --> 01:09:05.256
We're, we're a nation and a, a population that is just incredibly, incredibly innovative.

01:09:05.287 --> 01:09:10.266
'cause you just, you know, we would be without electricity for at least sort of 15 years before I left.

01:09:11.271 --> 01:09:15.771
It started two hours, you know, no electricity, then four hours and sometimes eight.

01:09:15.936 --> 01:09:22.037
You, you, you're constantly figuring things out, you know, no electricity and people like have generators and stuff.

01:09:22.042 --> 01:09:22.881
You got generators.

01:09:22.881 --> 01:09:26.091
And so, you know, it brings on different levels of, of opportunity.

01:09:26.181 --> 01:09:26.962
Yeah.

01:09:26.962 --> 01:09:39.832
So generators, solar power, um, inverters, but you're constantly like just having to figure things out, you know, it's like potholes and there's, you know, and it's also because our social services aren't paid well.

01:09:39.832 --> 01:09:40.317
So, sure.

01:09:40.377 --> 01:09:41.032
You know, sure.

01:09:41.212 --> 01:09:46.282
Teachers are paid terribly and, you know, just like not paid well, so you don't wanna do your job.

01:09:46.282 --> 01:09:50.481
And, and so I think there's just like, yeah, it's a country of contrast.

01:09:50.481 --> 01:09:57.292
You can be living in, you know, a beautiful home in a middle class suburb and Right.

01:09:57.351 --> 01:10:00.171
Uh, which is, you know, we've got a huge middle class and it's very mixed.

01:10:00.171 --> 01:10:00.771
Black, white.

01:10:00.921 --> 01:10:01.131
Right.

01:10:01.192 --> 01:10:03.021
You'll go to a restaurant, it's black, white, and India.

01:10:03.021 --> 01:10:04.612
It's very mixed, very diverse.

01:10:04.612 --> 01:10:05.931
And it's, well, well.

01:10:06.412 --> 01:10:06.771
Yeah.

01:10:06.777 --> 01:10:07.346
Integrated.

01:10:07.617 --> 01:10:08.572
Yeah, integrated.

01:10:09.051 --> 01:10:10.702
And um, and it's beautiful.

01:10:10.702 --> 01:10:11.721
It really is beautiful.

01:10:12.202 --> 01:10:23.091
Um, but, um, you can be in a, a neighborhood where it's relatively middle class and you can be, you know, mile down the road and you can.

01:10:23.796 --> 01:10:25.056
Sea feel not safe.

01:10:25.056 --> 01:10:25.386
Shacks.

01:10:25.806 --> 01:10:26.077
Yeah.

01:10:26.106 --> 01:10:29.766
You know, like tin tines and whatever.

01:10:29.827 --> 01:10:31.867
Uh, you know, it's too climate.

01:10:32.106 --> 01:10:35.106
And so it's just this contrast, it's this constant contrast.

01:10:35.106 --> 01:10:36.966
What's the, what's the climate like in general?

01:10:36.997 --> 01:10:37.386
Beautiful.

01:10:37.386 --> 01:10:44.197
Be just like Caribbean, or not Caribbean, but Mediterranean climate kind of, or is it, so Johannesburg is probably, you know, we don't have snow San Diego.

01:10:44.707 --> 01:10:45.037
Yeah.

01:10:45.157 --> 01:10:48.582
Uh, Cape Town is, I would say is pretty much, oh, more like in San Diego.

01:10:48.587 --> 01:10:51.936
There's a lot of familiarity, you know, I would say, and I mean, I, I share this information.

01:10:51.936 --> 01:10:54.337
I'd say people have gotta go to site.

01:10:54.337 --> 01:10:55.591
It's a gorgeous, gorgeous, yeah.

01:10:55.591 --> 01:10:56.792
I definitely have it on my list of places.

01:10:56.992 --> 01:10:57.032
Gorgeous.

01:10:57.271 --> 01:10:57.431
I mean.

01:10:58.176 --> 01:11:05.796
It's exquisite, like Cape Town and Dora and the, the, um, we call it the bush, uh, you guys will call it safaris.

01:11:05.917 --> 01:11:06.037
Sure.

01:11:06.037 --> 01:11:06.846
I It's exquisite.

01:11:06.846 --> 01:11:09.981
Like you, you just, the the land un is exquisite.

01:11:09.981 --> 01:11:13.176
Magnifi, you know, Cape Town is exquisite, exquisite.

01:11:13.176 --> 01:11:16.957
Herman is where my folks live, ex like beyond exquisite.

01:11:17.436 --> 01:11:24.726
So, uh, San Diego's probably a little bit like Cape Town weather and look and feel because if we've got Cape Town's way, way more beautiful.

01:11:25.117 --> 01:11:27.877
Uh, but it's that sort of, um, San Diego's not that pretty really.

01:11:27.936 --> 01:11:35.407
Uh, it's got beautiful mountains, deep, deep blue ocean wine farms, all gorgeous, gorgeous Johannesburg climate.

01:11:35.407 --> 01:11:37.356
It's probably similar to this, but we don't have snow.

01:11:37.596 --> 01:11:37.837
Okay.

01:11:37.837 --> 01:11:38.796
But super dry.

01:11:38.917 --> 01:11:39.186
Yep.

01:11:39.277 --> 01:11:42.606
Um, it's not mountainous, it's city like, it's just hardcore.

01:11:42.606 --> 01:11:45.726
It's like a mini version of let's say a la like, but I'm told mini.

01:11:45.726 --> 01:11:47.947
So let's get that all in context.

01:11:47.952 --> 01:11:48.426
Yeah, yeah.

01:11:48.426 --> 01:11:49.386
A tiny little version.

01:11:49.386 --> 01:11:49.942
It's still remarkable kinda.

01:11:50.556 --> 01:11:51.697
But it's city.

01:11:51.787 --> 01:11:51.907
Yeah.

01:11:51.907 --> 01:11:53.046
It's hardcore city.

01:11:53.077 --> 01:11:53.317
Okay.

01:11:53.317 --> 01:11:56.016
And, uh, I mean obviously I was living in the suburbs Sure.

01:11:56.021 --> 01:11:57.306
Of, of Johannesburg.

01:11:57.426 --> 01:12:00.396
Tell me about like your college path Yeah.

01:12:00.396 --> 01:12:04.987
And choosing that and then, um, kind of like how did you make your way into the banking industry?

01:12:05.377 --> 01:12:05.886
Oh, yeah.

01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:53.332
Uh, I love your questions and I have a very, um, uh.

01:12:54.292 --> 01:12:55.462
How do I describe it?

01:12:55.462 --> 01:12:58.641
I'd say I'm one of those people who is able to make things happen.

01:12:58.641 --> 01:13:00.171
I'm a I'm a make it happen person, so Yeah.

01:13:00.381 --> 01:13:01.402
You're not a non-player character.

01:13:01.497 --> 01:13:03.771
You're a, so I was highly full, full player character.

01:13:03.777 --> 01:13:06.261
Highly, I'm going to experience life to the fullest.

01:13:06.261 --> 01:13:09.532
And when I go to my deathbed, it's like, you know, nothing, no stones unturned.

01:13:09.561 --> 01:13:09.712
Okay.

01:13:10.162 --> 01:13:13.431
Um, so highly capable sports person at school.

01:13:13.431 --> 01:13:13.432
Okay.

01:13:13.537 --> 01:13:14.176
I was a squash player.

01:13:14.176 --> 01:13:15.921
Oh, you're a volleyball player too?

01:13:15.921 --> 01:13:16.462
No volleyball.

01:13:16.761 --> 01:13:18.777
Well, you mentioned Dana was a volleyball coach or something.

01:13:18.777 --> 01:13:18.778
Yeah.

01:13:18.783 --> 01:13:19.072
Yeah.

01:13:19.072 --> 01:13:23.511
But volleyball is a, we played in gym, not a real sport, you know, not in South African.

01:13:23.511 --> 01:13:25.822
Only rugby and cricket are real sports in South Africa.

01:13:25.822 --> 01:13:25.971
Okay.

01:13:26.391 --> 01:13:32.902
But I played squash and, um, it's similar to your racketball here, and was highly capable player.

01:13:32.902 --> 01:13:35.181
And so I ended up playing, uh, once I left school.

01:13:35.301 --> 01:13:35.572
Okay.

01:13:35.662 --> 01:13:37.521
Uh, overseas and had a rankings.

01:13:37.582 --> 01:13:37.641
Wow.

01:13:37.646 --> 01:13:37.856
Oh wow.

01:13:37.862 --> 01:13:38.061
Yeah.

01:13:38.061 --> 01:13:40.402
I played in, in you made money playing squash and stuff?

01:13:40.492 --> 01:13:42.112
A little bit, yeah, little bit.

01:13:42.112 --> 01:13:45.261
But it was, you know, after spent a lot more money in playing squash than you made, but.

01:13:45.466 --> 01:13:58.277
Yeah, so, so, but traveled and I think the experience of being a professional athlete and traveling and, you know, we had just come out of apartheid, I think I was the second player to, to, to head out and, and give it a batch on the world circuits.

01:13:58.516 --> 01:13:58.577
Okay.

01:13:58.577 --> 01:14:00.587
I got to like 23 and Oh wow.

01:14:00.646 --> 01:14:04.186
Um, and just reached a point where it's like, okay, you know, do the right thing.

01:14:04.186 --> 01:14:04.936
Go study.

01:14:05.266 --> 01:14:11.601
So, um, I didn't think I was really capable of, of much outside of squash and ended up, uh, playing.

01:14:11.601 --> 01:14:14.266
So you didn't really come into your own academically until much later?

01:14:14.327 --> 01:14:15.917
I was average academically, yeah.

01:14:15.917 --> 01:14:18.917
Average, you know, so I, I did something called human movement science.

01:14:19.157 --> 01:14:19.186
Okay.

01:14:19.186 --> 01:14:21.587
Which I think you guys have got almost like physical therapy.

01:14:21.587 --> 01:14:23.442
Physical therapy, physiology ish.

01:14:23.782 --> 01:14:26.867
And did really well once I got into like, actually loves kinesiology.

01:14:26.957 --> 01:14:27.737
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:27.737 --> 01:14:29.686
Kines, well, yes.

01:14:29.987 --> 01:14:30.801
Version somewhere in that room.

01:14:30.801 --> 01:14:31.442
Something like that.

01:14:31.442 --> 01:14:31.443
Yeah.

01:14:32.117 --> 01:14:33.917
Uh, human, human performance.

01:14:33.921 --> 01:14:33.962
Yeah.

01:14:34.277 --> 01:14:34.487
Yeah.

01:14:34.577 --> 01:14:35.447
Physical performance.

01:14:35.447 --> 01:14:40.367
And so, um, spent my time there doing honors and came out of that.

01:14:40.367 --> 01:14:44.447
And again, I, I was entrepreneurial, so I opened up.

01:14:45.186 --> 01:14:47.226
I had ran two personal training gyms.

01:14:47.466 --> 01:14:47.497
Okay.

01:14:47.556 --> 01:14:48.877
Um, I was still playing squash.

01:14:48.877 --> 01:14:53.136
I played for South Africa and I was still traveling a bit for squash and uh, that kind of stuff.

01:14:53.136 --> 01:15:00.516
So, you know, ran the personal training gyms and, and, uh, felt that by the age of 30 I was over the, the personal training gyms.

01:15:00.516 --> 01:15:11.317
And I was personal training as well, but I enjoyed running the gyms, but I didn't enjoy the personal training part of it and just wanted to, they kept having this impulse that, uh, corporate was calling my name.

01:15:11.827 --> 01:15:12.997
Never been in corporate.

01:15:13.117 --> 01:15:13.867
I had no idea.

01:15:13.867 --> 01:15:20.346
And this is where I say like, center of liberation is like this heart led, because when the heart starts intuiting and pulling and prompting Yeah.

01:15:20.766 --> 01:15:21.726
You know, at once something.

01:15:21.726 --> 01:15:22.627
And I'm like, oh my God.

01:15:22.627 --> 01:15:24.606
Like, I don't have no idea how I'm getting into corporate.

01:15:24.787 --> 01:15:31.806
Anyway, long story short ended up, uh, wrapping up the gyms, like, Hey, the universe decided to close them for me.

01:15:32.287 --> 01:15:33.277
And, um.

01:15:33.667 --> 01:15:35.077
I moved back to Johannesburg.

01:15:35.077 --> 01:15:43.386
I was living in a place called Durban then and got into coaching, so business coaching, life coaching, did a diploma.

01:15:43.447 --> 01:15:46.417
I studied psychology and did all my honors in psychology.

01:15:46.421 --> 01:15:46.801
Oh, interesting.

01:15:47.106 --> 01:15:49.237
And during that time, I really got involved.

01:15:49.237 --> 01:15:52.867
My, my life was actually quite a mess at about 32, 33.

01:15:53.377 --> 01:15:56.617
Um, I had to have a hip, total hip replacement as a result of squash.

01:15:57.127 --> 01:16:00.606
Um, I'd had a big breakup and I was kind of just in this crisis.

01:16:00.667 --> 01:16:06.606
I think everyone goes through, hit some kind of crisis at some point, uh, where life was not looking too rosy.

01:16:06.606 --> 01:16:10.447
So I moved back to Johannesburg and, uh, started a business with my sister.

01:16:11.167 --> 01:16:15.787
And kind of got into the whole quantum real spiritual realm during this crisis.

01:16:16.117 --> 01:16:16.146
Okay.

01:16:16.447 --> 01:16:23.287
You know, law of attraction and understanding how quantum worked and, and energy and the force field and all those kind of things.

01:16:23.917 --> 01:16:28.056
Uh, and started just to practice, like really shifting my mindset and shifting.

01:16:28.087 --> 01:16:29.436
Wanted to shift my whole life.

01:16:29.436 --> 01:16:30.247
I was in debt.

01:16:30.277 --> 01:16:31.327
I wanted to get outta that.

01:16:31.926 --> 01:16:39.396
And part of that journey was like I wanted to get into corporate and just kept having an a, uh, image of myself, you know, in a boardroom.

01:16:40.027 --> 01:16:40.476
Interesting.

01:16:40.506 --> 01:16:41.617
Doing presentations.

01:16:41.617 --> 01:16:44.136
I had no idea how that image.

01:16:44.646 --> 01:16:47.256
Came, it just kept happening and kept happening.

01:16:47.256 --> 01:17:09.247
And, and uh, needless to say, I think at 36 ish, uh, an opportunity came to out of the blue, out of nowhere to step into banking and, uh, like, like it was just round and round and like, that's why I say like the synchronistic orientation of the, the universe has plans for you.

01:17:09.252 --> 01:17:09.697
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:09.697 --> 01:17:11.856
You can just follow the plans, fall into the flow of it.

01:17:11.856 --> 01:17:13.987
You can just fall into the flow of it and follow it.

01:17:13.987 --> 01:17:15.697
And it does not make sense at all.

01:17:16.087 --> 01:17:36.426
Anyway, I needless to say this opportunity never been in banking, hadn't studied at business school, had done, you know, a lot of, in the human development side, understood quantum, but I'd, I would say manifested this opportunity and, um, I had an opportunity to step into the top niche bank in the country and on the continent and spend five weeks.

01:17:37.221 --> 01:17:45.862
On a project, which I chose to say yes to, versus I think I also had an opportunity to, to work for a company for a year, and I, they both came up at the same time.

01:17:45.862 --> 01:17:49.702
I said, I'm like this, it's called, it's r and b, ran Merchant Bank.

01:17:50.271 --> 01:17:50.662
Oh yeah.

01:17:50.662 --> 01:17:57.381
I'm like, I'm going for, I'm going for the, the five week opportunity and the five week opportunity turned into about 12, 13 years.

01:17:57.386 --> 01:17:57.657
Nice.

01:17:57.846 --> 01:17:58.136
Nice.

01:17:58.207 --> 01:17:58.497
Yeah.

01:17:58.606 --> 01:17:59.216
Just, uh.

01:17:59.766 --> 01:18:00.907
It was an amazing experience.

01:18:00.936 --> 01:18:12.726
I, uh, when I reflect back on my departure from my own banking career, um, and I don't know if, I don't think we touched on this even, but I, I left banking to try to start a restaurant.

01:18:12.846 --> 01:18:19.447
I wanted to do a, a locally sourced international fusion kind of restaurant thing that turned into a mobile food truck.

01:18:19.476 --> 01:18:25.117
'cause I didn't get my locations and things, but I started local think tank kind of along the way.

01:18:25.117 --> 01:18:33.367
And I've teased that, you know, local think tank was too difficult for God to explain to me in my dreams and my visions.

01:18:33.367 --> 01:18:37.327
But he could pull me out of banking with like, Hey, you should start a restaurant.

01:18:38.737 --> 01:18:46.506
But his plan was ne, you know, perhaps still to have me start look at think tank, but just how to quite explain that wasn't quite right.

01:18:47.046 --> 01:18:48.367
So, anyway, I, I digress.

01:18:48.367 --> 01:18:57.546
I wondered if the, the, the heart is deceived and I was also thinking to myself about, you know, the, the similarities, if you will, of.

01:18:58.162 --> 01:19:04.551
Uh, prayer to manifestation and, you know, manifestation is like a self-powered kind of thing.

01:19:04.551 --> 01:19:06.591
More, but not necessarily.

01:19:06.591 --> 01:19:09.622
'cause it requires a universal consciousness kind of element.

01:19:10.162 --> 01:19:11.542
Is that thing God?

01:19:11.572 --> 01:19:11.662
Mm-hmm.

01:19:11.841 --> 01:19:12.622
I don't know.

01:19:13.011 --> 01:19:15.787
Um, anyway, so a few different things I was thinking about when you were talking.

01:19:16.192 --> 01:19:18.502
Yeah, well that's exactly your experience.

01:19:18.502 --> 01:19:21.466
It's kind of like when you just, you know, yeah, I'm supposed to be going this way.

01:19:21.766 --> 01:19:25.462
You think you're going this way and the next thing you're going this way and the next thing you're in America.

01:19:25.462 --> 01:19:26.962
And like, how does that all happen?

01:19:26.962 --> 01:19:28.881
You know, how, like, how does that happen?

01:19:28.881 --> 01:19:30.112
So, and, and here you are.

01:19:30.117 --> 01:19:30.426
Here we are.

01:19:30.652 --> 01:19:31.372
And here we are.

01:19:31.372 --> 01:19:37.792
Like, you know, could I have really constructed this particular journey just on my own right.

01:19:37.792 --> 01:19:38.271
I doubt it.

01:19:38.271 --> 01:19:40.881
I think there was a little help somewhere somehow.

01:19:40.912 --> 01:19:41.152
Yeah.

01:19:41.152 --> 01:19:43.282
How shaped looks like.

01:19:43.311 --> 01:19:43.851
Exactly.

01:19:43.912 --> 01:19:51.862
Um, and, and what I think I would like to observe is that your, your career in banking was really in the kind of innovation change Yes.

01:19:51.862 --> 01:19:55.671
Management imagination of what could be, which banks.

01:19:56.301 --> 01:19:57.171
Do poorly.

01:19:57.292 --> 01:20:01.162
I mean, they, they change at a snail's pace when they're, when they're changing fast.

01:20:01.702 --> 01:20:13.822
Um, and so I'm imagining that somebody like yourself, even with a, a, a blunted environment for, for growth and change could really be seen as a key different kind of thinker.

01:20:13.912 --> 01:20:14.271
Yes.

01:20:14.332 --> 01:20:17.271
And I think I was that in Yes, in, I worked for little banks, right?

01:20:17.271 --> 01:20:19.221
Not big banks, but same kind of thing.

01:20:19.221 --> 01:20:19.311
Yes.

01:20:19.341 --> 01:20:21.171
They were like, Hey Kurt, we need to rebrand.

01:20:21.171 --> 01:20:23.662
Like we need some of your ideas and what we think.

01:20:24.801 --> 01:20:25.252
We are.

01:20:25.761 --> 01:20:26.546
Yeah, yeah.

01:20:26.631 --> 01:20:27.051
Yeah.

01:20:27.051 --> 01:20:27.952
A hundred percent.

01:20:27.952 --> 01:20:34.462
And I think, you know, you're seeing it very fortunate that the bank, uh, r and b was, was very sort of on it.

01:20:34.462 --> 01:20:43.641
And, um, FNB in fact, I think, which is part of the same group, um, known, I think it's in the top three of, of the most innovative banks in the world.

01:20:43.731 --> 01:20:44.032
Interesting.

01:20:44.056 --> 01:20:44.546
Amazing.

01:20:44.907 --> 01:20:49.282
I mean, I, you know, our banking system, everything was on, um, on app and that kind of stuff.

01:20:49.431 --> 01:20:51.112
Like, you guys still said checks.

01:20:51.112 --> 01:20:52.252
You even have checks.

01:20:52.881 --> 01:20:53.061
Yeah.

01:20:53.091 --> 01:20:53.721
I'm a star.

01:20:53.752 --> 01:20:55.881
Like there was one of, there's so much like.

01:20:55.912 --> 01:20:59.032
I was like, you, I drop a check out for rent still every month.

01:20:59.902 --> 01:21:01.162
You actually have checks.

01:21:01.162 --> 01:21:03.591
Like, um, that's so interesting.

01:21:03.801 --> 01:21:07.492
But that's about, that's about half my checkout output is actually my rent check every month.

01:21:07.492 --> 01:21:08.421
I put in the mailbox here.

01:21:08.841 --> 01:21:10.311
So, you know, you have cats.

01:21:10.582 --> 01:21:12.202
Like we just, everything is on that app.

01:21:12.202 --> 01:21:13.971
Everything is, is into the app.

01:21:13.971 --> 01:21:20.662
So, you know, very innovative and amazing thinkers, like I say, south Africans and, and in these sort of environments.

01:21:20.931 --> 01:21:21.021
Mm-hmm.

01:21:21.261 --> 01:21:22.582
World class thinking, well, you get crafty.

01:21:22.942 --> 01:21:23.301
Right.

01:21:23.511 --> 01:21:29.481
Having a hard time, like I'm from North Dakota where resources are always.

01:21:30.037 --> 01:21:31.537
Not as much as you wish to.

01:21:31.777 --> 01:21:32.317
Mm.

01:21:32.377 --> 01:21:41.827
You know, it's kind of like that kind of environment you talk and, and when you don't have a lot of resources, you get scrappy and you, and that creates a lot of innovation, lots of in innovation and moves quickly.

01:21:41.827 --> 01:21:43.027
And so agree.

01:21:43.027 --> 01:21:46.356
The big, the big structures, corporate structures that do move slowly.

01:21:46.867 --> 01:22:04.176
And um, and it was interesting to observe over the time I was there, just how the organization involved and the types of people instead of, you know, let's say employing your traditional sort of cas and accountants were bringing in like, um, engineers and just like real different, you know, which was important to Yeah.

01:22:04.417 --> 01:22:08.016
Really start thinking differently to, uh, develop understanding.

01:22:08.042 --> 01:22:10.476
And then, you know, we did a lot of things really well.

01:22:10.476 --> 01:22:24.186
And so, like I say, sort of getting into an understanding, you know, what is this crypto land and what yeah, why do people want it and uh, et cetera, and, you know, so just staying, staying present with the times were you.

01:22:24.936 --> 01:22:29.646
Focused on internal stuff like your banking teams and your bankers and stuff around that?

01:22:29.646 --> 01:22:29.737
Mm-hmm.

01:22:29.976 --> 01:22:35.766
Or were you working with clients in, you know, this company and that company and helping them understand.

01:22:36.171 --> 01:22:38.122
Strategy plans and different whatever.

01:22:38.301 --> 01:22:45.096
I was involved for much of my career with the internal transformation, you know, building strategies, kinda exchange management, strategy, all that.

01:22:45.096 --> 01:22:48.112
Leaders, building strategies, mergers.

01:22:48.112 --> 01:22:59.841
We had a few big mergers and I was very involved in, in, um, our, the merger of our foreign exchange business units and sitting with the executive team and, and leading all of that.

01:22:59.841 --> 01:23:04.431
And then the last couple of years I spent more time with, um, some clients.

01:23:04.431 --> 01:23:04.462
Okay.

01:23:04.521 --> 01:23:07.761
As I was involved in, I moved into an ecosystem and partnership.

01:23:07.976 --> 01:23:14.037
Division, which was the capability overall was all around innovation and ventures and new innovations.

01:23:14.037 --> 01:23:14.096
Yeah.

01:23:14.096 --> 01:23:19.171
And so I was working in sharing some of your leading edge with the projects of like metaverse and what that meant.

01:23:19.171 --> 01:23:19.492
Mm-hmm.

01:23:19.572 --> 01:23:20.936
And how clients could use Metaverse.

01:23:20.936 --> 01:23:28.497
And so I was in, you know, contributing to some of the strategies then of, of external clients as we were looking to, to support them with Yeah.

01:23:28.707 --> 01:23:31.171
With these new, who are your customers in the future and all that kind of stuff.

01:23:31.176 --> 01:23:31.226
Yeah.

01:23:31.226 --> 01:23:35.606
You're the customers of how do you support them and you know, there's just various industries.

01:23:35.606 --> 01:23:43.796
So I was pretty involved in those sort of things and looking at new ventures and bringing in, you know, again, the bank even creating its own ecosystem and Sure.

01:23:43.796 --> 01:23:48.417
Where were the gaps And so it was as super excited, was very challenging.

01:23:48.417 --> 01:23:49.106
Super exciting.

01:23:49.112 --> 01:23:49.332
Yeah.

01:23:49.471 --> 01:23:58.676
And uh, yeah, you, you seem like a person comfortable with like zoomed up to 30,000 feet or even a hundred thousand feet, but also like pulling weeds in the garden.

01:23:58.766 --> 01:23:59.426
A hundred percent.

01:23:59.492 --> 01:24:02.186
I think I'm one of those people and I don't know how that's come.

01:24:02.186 --> 01:24:03.596
I think just life experience.

01:24:03.601 --> 01:24:06.747
I don't know how that, like I can zoom out.

01:24:07.101 --> 01:24:19.341
Very quick, get a big picture and then I would like, again, it spring this down to, you know, I think it's probably part, I think your nature is that zoom upper, but all of your experience in professional, professional athletics is like gotta, that's right there.

01:24:19.341 --> 01:24:19.942
You gotta touch it.

01:24:19.942 --> 01:24:20.242
Do it.

01:24:20.542 --> 01:24:21.921
I've gotta like, I've gotta, I'm not a.

01:24:22.612 --> 01:24:23.421
Just a dreamer.

01:24:23.421 --> 01:24:28.971
I have to, like, I've run, we have, in something in South Africa, we've got something called comrades, which is in 9 56 mile.

01:24:29.572 --> 01:24:31.551
It's a 90 kilometer ultramarathon.

01:24:31.671 --> 01:24:31.792
Oh.

01:24:31.792 --> 01:24:35.421
That you run in one day or you've got like 10 or 11 hours to run it.

01:24:35.841 --> 01:24:40.462
And I said I had a hip replacement off, off, but I did four of those off my hip replacement off.

01:24:40.462 --> 01:24:40.582
Oh gosh.

01:24:41.061 --> 01:24:43.551
And that thing is like, oh my gosh.

01:24:43.551 --> 01:24:47.452
So it's like I'm a very physically orientated, practical person.

01:24:47.572 --> 01:24:47.631
Yeah.

01:24:48.051 --> 01:24:52.971
But I know and sense what's coming or what's here and how to like move.

01:24:52.971 --> 01:24:58.431
And then all of that says, you know, you just gotta stretch beyond your edges, into your edges to discover more of who you are.

01:24:58.431 --> 01:25:07.282
And I, I mentioned that I'm, I'm a person who, when I go to the grave, I'm, I'm not, you know, I wanna know what, what, what stones do I need to unturn and then take people there.

01:25:07.282 --> 01:25:09.862
You know, people are, I, I love taking people.

01:25:10.207 --> 01:25:13.716
To new places and to their, not in a painful way.

01:25:13.716 --> 01:25:13.777
Yeah.

01:25:13.777 --> 01:25:15.186
But like, get beyond.

01:25:15.186 --> 01:25:23.641
Because you know, comrades was a great teacher for me of like, oh boy, you, you're gonna get beyond yourself if you spend, you gotta stretch that boundary, stretch that boundary, stretch that boundary.

01:25:23.641 --> 01:25:27.426
You're stretching beyond anything mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually.

01:25:27.426 --> 01:25:29.976
And you know, in the whole buildup to training for something like that.

01:25:29.976 --> 01:25:31.777
And then actually on the day of running it mm-hmm.

01:25:32.016 --> 01:25:35.046
You transcend in ways you can't of imagine.

01:25:35.886 --> 01:25:39.841
I've got a friend that's running the, running his second 200 mile race in June.

01:25:39.841 --> 01:25:40.362
Oh God.

01:25:40.362 --> 01:25:41.521
Like, that's, no.

01:25:42.542 --> 01:25:44.202
And I'm like, dude, why do you, well, no.

01:25:44.226 --> 01:25:45.577
Like, you've got a family.

01:25:45.577 --> 01:25:46.777
You got a wife that loves you.

01:25:46.777 --> 01:25:47.016
He does.

01:25:47.016 --> 01:25:47.466
Like why?

01:25:47.646 --> 01:25:48.396
I'm surprised.

01:25:48.396 --> 01:25:48.726
Yeah.

01:25:48.936 --> 01:25:50.377
Oh, it's, anyway.

01:25:50.617 --> 01:25:50.917
Yeah.

01:25:50.917 --> 01:25:51.216
Wow.

01:25:51.216 --> 01:25:51.726
That's wild.

01:25:51.726 --> 01:25:52.117
I digress.

01:25:52.117 --> 01:25:54.037
He's actually a financial planner, like a good one.

01:25:54.247 --> 01:25:56.317
Uh, but he just like makes himself do.

01:25:56.856 --> 01:25:57.306
Yeah.

01:25:57.636 --> 01:25:58.042
And it took him.

01:25:58.476 --> 01:26:01.237
Think you told me it took him like three months to recover from the last one.

01:26:01.266 --> 01:26:01.417
Yeah.

01:26:01.476 --> 01:26:02.226
No, no.

01:26:02.226 --> 01:26:07.176
It's, it's, I mean, I'm talking like, uh, 56 miles and that took me Whew.

01:26:07.837 --> 01:26:08.436
Yeah.

01:26:08.652 --> 01:26:10.657
A, a solid month to recover from that.

01:26:10.777 --> 01:26:11.106
Yeah.

01:26:11.707 --> 01:26:14.226
Um, well, God bless you all that.

01:26:14.226 --> 01:26:15.006
Do hard things.

01:26:15.067 --> 01:26:16.327
Um, are you ready?

01:26:16.386 --> 01:26:27.426
Oh, actually, before we get there, um, let's talk about, because you're kind of a futurist and trends, um, we always like, I don't know how many kids listen to my podcast, but I do want to inspire Yeah.

01:26:27.726 --> 01:26:30.577
The future entrepreneurs of the world and the future.

01:26:30.877 --> 01:26:34.386
Like people, the, the people that aren't non-player characters.

01:26:35.077 --> 01:26:35.106
Mm.

01:26:35.106 --> 01:26:38.046
Like all the movers, all the prime movers and the movers out there.

01:26:38.046 --> 01:26:40.627
They're not prime, but you know, secondary prime.

01:26:41.136 --> 01:26:53.317
Um, like with all the evolution of education of like, especially for that 16, 18-year-old, um, where do they set their pointer?

01:26:53.377 --> 01:26:53.771
What do, yeah.

01:26:53.827 --> 01:26:56.556
You know, aside from learning about ai, like.

01:26:56.872 --> 01:26:59.212
Where should they get a, should they get a university education?

01:26:59.856 --> 01:27:00.936
Such a great question.

01:27:00.936 --> 01:27:03.306
And I'll be honest with you, I don't actually have the answer.

01:27:03.306 --> 01:27:04.327
And why do I say that?

01:27:04.327 --> 01:27:07.716
Because I think the careers of the future haven't even been thought about yet.

01:27:08.407 --> 01:27:16.957
So I think it's, for me, I would definitely be keeping just travel Europe and South Africa for a couple years, let things settle down a little bit and see where it goes.

01:27:16.957 --> 01:27:20.016
I think there's, I just think there's huge opportunity.

01:27:20.287 --> 01:27:25.806
I would be number one, I would be following, again, I said at some point in this conversation, follow the smart money.

01:27:25.806 --> 01:27:27.367
Like what's the smart money doing?

01:27:27.367 --> 01:27:31.207
Who are the investors now and who are the investors of the future and what are they investing in?

01:27:31.327 --> 01:27:37.657
And if you're really wanting to kind of set yourself up, like just go and explore and experiment with those, those things.

01:27:37.657 --> 01:27:39.787
So keep your finger on the pulse of those sort of things.

01:27:40.296 --> 01:27:43.447
You know, I think the, um, it really depends.

01:27:43.447 --> 01:27:47.346
I think there's going, I, I talk about paradigms and, and timelines opening up.

01:27:47.346 --> 01:27:53.436
So I think there's going to be various opportunities to move in the direction that you really brings you most joy.

01:27:53.436 --> 01:27:56.377
I think there's a big movement into the space of like.

01:27:57.502 --> 01:27:59.721
Uh, enjoy what you do.

01:27:59.902 --> 01:28:12.381
What I'd say is, so figuring out what you enjoy, figuring out what you enjoy, what I would say is, you know, if you, uh, sorry to all the parents out there, what I will, what my, my sense would be like when your parents are saying, go and do this.

01:28:12.381 --> 01:28:12.891
Go and do this.

01:28:12.891 --> 01:28:16.282
Be a doctor, be it, and you really don't want to be because you wanna do something else.

01:28:16.282 --> 01:28:19.282
Don't waste your time and go and be a doctor because you're gonna end up coming back through.

01:28:19.282 --> 01:28:19.341
Yeah.

01:28:19.341 --> 01:28:21.681
It's gonna pull you into journalism or whatever anyway.

01:28:21.681 --> 01:28:22.162
Exactly.

01:28:22.162 --> 01:28:23.391
It's gonna pull you back anyway.

01:28:23.391 --> 01:28:28.431
So rather save some money, time and, and energy And just if you can, follow your path.

01:28:28.492 --> 01:28:31.761
Number one, if you don't feel a pull, if you don't fully feel a pull, pull, steady.

01:28:31.761 --> 01:28:33.622
Follow the path of least resistance.

01:28:33.652 --> 01:28:35.061
Don't make life difficult.

01:28:35.061 --> 01:28:37.072
If you do not enjoy something, don't do it.

01:28:37.402 --> 01:28:38.391
What do you prefer?

01:28:38.391 --> 01:28:39.202
What do you prefer?

01:28:39.202 --> 01:28:42.141
And what lights you up energetically and from the inside?

01:28:42.141 --> 01:28:43.402
And go and pursue that.

01:28:44.002 --> 01:28:51.622
You're generally gonna have a much happier life experience than spending 20 years in a direction you don't wanna be and then changing anyway.

01:28:51.891 --> 01:28:52.311
I like it.

01:28:53.181 --> 01:28:53.962
Are you ready for a game?

01:28:54.202 --> 01:28:54.771
Go for it.

01:28:55.192 --> 01:28:55.311
Okay.

01:28:55.311 --> 01:28:55.822
I'm curious.

01:28:56.421 --> 01:29:05.152
We've got 30 numbered ping pong balls each attached to either a sophisticated business question or something very silly.

01:29:06.801 --> 01:29:07.671
Pull out three.

01:29:08.061 --> 01:29:08.391
Okay.

01:29:08.391 --> 01:29:12.502
And before I pull out three, one more comment on the, the, the, the kids for the kids.

01:29:12.502 --> 01:29:12.771
Right.

01:29:14.481 --> 01:29:17.992
Create value in whatever you do the best opportunities.

01:29:17.992 --> 01:29:20.992
If you're creating value and you're solving problems for people, you're doing so good.

01:29:20.992 --> 01:29:25.252
And, and so just get really good at, good at that and look for opportunities to create value.

01:29:25.311 --> 01:29:26.061
Yeah, I love it.

01:29:26.061 --> 01:29:26.542
That's great.

01:29:26.931 --> 01:29:29.181
Sorry, so I get to pull out three three balls?

01:29:29.181 --> 01:29:29.421
Yes.

01:29:29.421 --> 01:29:33.292
This orange and white attached to a question on my little sheet here.

01:29:33.292 --> 01:29:33.322
Okay.

01:29:33.322 --> 01:29:35.207
I'm gonna close my eyes for the first one, please.

01:29:35.207 --> 01:29:35.692
Yeah, that's great.

01:29:36.801 --> 01:29:37.311
Alright.

01:29:37.372 --> 01:29:38.962
Twin, is that right?

01:29:38.962 --> 01:29:39.381
Yeah, 20.

01:29:39.502 --> 01:29:39.981
20.

01:29:41.931 --> 01:29:42.712
What's your go-to?

01:29:42.712 --> 01:29:44.841
Excuse when you want to get out of plans.

01:29:45.652 --> 01:29:46.042
Oh my goodness.

01:29:46.042 --> 01:29:46.487
That's so good.

01:29:47.856 --> 01:29:52.958
What is my go-to excuse when I wanna get out of, not that you would do such a thing when I want.

01:29:52.958 --> 01:29:57.457
Oh, I can be like, if Dana wants to actually go to a movie, but you've got a headache.

01:29:58.207 --> 01:29:59.617
No, it's not a headache.

01:30:00.096 --> 01:30:02.077
Uh, I've got so much work to do.

01:30:03.037 --> 01:30:03.396
What's that?

01:30:03.546 --> 01:30:04.926
I've got so much work to do.

01:30:04.926 --> 01:30:04.931
So much work to do.

01:30:04.936 --> 01:30:05.346
Oh, yeah.

01:30:05.351 --> 01:30:05.442
Yeah.

01:30:05.737 --> 01:30:08.077
Even if you don't actually apply to work on that work.

01:30:08.197 --> 01:30:08.947
Exactly.

01:30:08.947 --> 01:30:09.457
Yeah.

01:30:09.457 --> 01:30:09.457
Yeah.

01:30:09.756 --> 01:30:13.176
So, um, I've got, I'm so overwhelmed that I actually need to just chill.

01:30:13.716 --> 01:30:14.377
Exactly.

01:30:14.377 --> 01:30:15.362
I just gotta sit on the couch.

01:30:15.412 --> 01:30:15.761
Right.

01:30:15.881 --> 01:30:16.962
I just gotta But meditate.

01:30:16.962 --> 01:30:18.408
The excuse is I've got a lot of work to do, but a lot of work to do.

01:30:18.936 --> 01:30:20.976
And I wanna meditate, but actually I just wanna sit, meditate.

01:30:21.546 --> 01:30:21.936
I like it.

01:30:22.386 --> 01:30:22.627
Okay.

01:30:22.987 --> 01:30:24.157
Uh, let's do the same question.

01:30:24.157 --> 01:30:24.997
That's a great question.

01:30:24.997 --> 01:30:25.476
I love that.

01:30:25.686 --> 01:30:28.481
Okay, lemme go with the, we'll go 26.

01:30:28.582 --> 01:30:29.362
26.

01:30:33.231 --> 01:30:36.351
Uh, you know, I'm what, this almost seems like it's gonna be the same answer.

01:30:36.351 --> 01:30:39.381
What's your go-to way to unwind after a stressful day?

01:30:39.412 --> 01:30:45.051
I'm gonna say you're gonna meditate, but I'm gonna say I'll still listen for your answer.

01:30:45.231 --> 01:30:45.771
Okay.

01:30:45.891 --> 01:30:53.872
My go-to is, um, I have a little beagle dog, so, you know, there wasn't a lot that came with me from South Africa, but I've bought my little vegan dog.

01:30:53.877 --> 01:30:53.976
Okay.

01:30:53.976 --> 01:30:54.216
All right.

01:30:54.396 --> 01:30:55.497
What's her name or his name?

01:30:55.756 --> 01:30:56.457
His name is Oliver.

01:30:56.756 --> 01:30:57.176
Hi Oliver.

01:30:57.716 --> 01:31:08.212
And, uh, I just, you know, one thing that I really value and I authority, love, um, and I have a very deep appreciation and I don't think many Americans, I may maybe you do.

01:31:08.212 --> 01:31:08.452
Yes.

01:31:08.452 --> 01:31:19.492
That's not a fair comment, but I'll say you have a very beautiful country and the fact that you have very few fences and there it's a picket fence'cause you're keeping your dog inside, like cherish it.

01:31:20.002 --> 01:31:20.181
Hmm.

01:31:20.332 --> 01:31:24.832
So, um, I love taking Ali for a walk and seeing the mountains and Yeah.

01:31:24.832 --> 01:31:24.953
Kind just.

01:31:25.612 --> 01:31:26.301
Bumbling around.

01:31:26.301 --> 01:31:27.051
That's my go-to.

01:31:27.051 --> 01:31:29.721
Just the opportunity to be in such exquisite nature.

01:31:29.721 --> 01:31:30.742
We've gotta be open spaces.

01:31:30.742 --> 01:31:32.692
So close and relatively safe.

01:31:32.902 --> 01:31:33.112
Yeah.

01:31:33.292 --> 01:31:33.652
I love it.

01:31:34.192 --> 01:31:34.881
Uh, alright.

01:31:34.881 --> 01:31:35.242
Last one again.

01:31:35.242 --> 01:31:35.841
Ball number three.

01:31:35.841 --> 01:31:36.082
Yeah.

01:31:36.532 --> 01:31:36.606
Oh, let's go.

01:31:36.612 --> 01:31:37.431
Let's go, let's go.

01:31:37.431 --> 01:31:38.601
Let's have another orange one.

01:31:39.112 --> 01:31:40.311
Number 15.

01:31:41.122 --> 01:31:42.112
15.

01:31:44.572 --> 01:31:51.021
What was either the last thing you Googled or the last meme that you downloaded?

01:31:51.667 --> 01:31:52.327
The last thing.

01:31:52.707 --> 01:31:54.471
The last thing I checked GBT.

01:31:54.561 --> 01:31:54.981
Let's go.

01:31:55.131 --> 01:31:55.881
Yeah, that works.

01:31:56.181 --> 01:31:56.332
Yeah.

01:31:57.351 --> 01:31:57.952
What did I check?

01:31:57.952 --> 01:31:59.631
GBT, uh.

01:32:00.832 --> 01:32:02.061
What was I working on today?

01:32:02.212 --> 01:32:03.862
Yeah, that question's already out of date.

01:32:03.862 --> 01:32:06.471
Ava, we just, yeah.

01:32:07.402 --> 01:32:09.681
Uh, I'm preparing for a master class, so, okay.

01:32:09.771 --> 01:32:18.082
Um, I have done all and, uh, done all the marketing and, you know, things for the opt-in page and whatever.

01:32:18.082 --> 01:32:25.521
And so the last thing I Googled was like, I wanna reshape this entire thing, uh, to bring in, you know, more intuitive, more this, whatever.

01:32:25.521 --> 01:32:28.341
And so please rewrite the whole, the whole thing.

01:32:28.341 --> 01:32:30.202
And I got my, oh, it was so well written.

01:32:30.202 --> 01:32:30.862
It wasn't Googled.

01:32:30.867 --> 01:32:31.402
It was chatted.

01:32:31.402 --> 01:32:32.242
It was chatted, so, oh.

01:32:32.242 --> 01:32:32.962
But chat job.

01:32:32.962 --> 01:32:34.551
I don't think I do too much Google anymore.

01:32:34.556 --> 01:32:35.332
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:35.332 --> 01:32:35.662
Same.

01:32:36.021 --> 01:32:36.292
Yeah.

01:32:36.292 --> 01:32:41.181
So, so it built my, my, uh, not the website, but the opt-in.

01:32:41.181 --> 01:32:41.452
Paid.

01:32:41.782 --> 01:32:42.202
Rebuilt it.

01:32:42.561 --> 01:32:42.981
Rebuilt it.

01:32:42.981 --> 01:32:43.192
Yeah.

01:32:43.462 --> 01:32:44.061
Look at this.

01:32:44.061 --> 01:32:44.662
Make it better.

01:32:44.811 --> 01:32:45.502
Exactly.

01:32:45.801 --> 01:32:46.341
Exactly.

01:32:46.492 --> 01:32:46.671
Yeah.

01:32:46.671 --> 01:32:46.851
Okay.

01:32:47.481 --> 01:32:50.362
Um, the Loco experience is our final segment.

01:32:50.667 --> 01:32:51.247
Are you ready?

01:32:51.247 --> 01:32:51.487
Beautiful.

01:32:51.667 --> 01:32:52.056
Let's go.

01:32:52.056 --> 01:32:54.306
That is the craziest experience.

01:32:54.426 --> 01:32:59.587
So loco crazy of your lifetime that you're willing to share the craziest experience.

01:32:59.587 --> 01:33:00.096
Yeah.

01:33:00.096 --> 01:33:09.067
Any kidnappings or near death experiences or parachute, jumping on a planes or, I don't know, whatever.

01:33:09.157 --> 01:33:12.277
Uh, squash professionals could too.

01:33:12.277 --> 01:33:12.367
I see.

01:33:12.367 --> 01:33:16.476
When they're traveling the world or I don't know, near-death experiences.

01:33:17.197 --> 01:33:17.827
Do you have more than one?

01:33:18.186 --> 01:33:18.426
Three.

01:33:18.756 --> 01:33:19.087
Three?

01:33:20.497 --> 01:33:21.756
You can share'em all if you want.

01:33:22.087 --> 01:33:22.931
Were, I've got like five.

01:33:22.942 --> 01:33:23.412
There we go.

01:33:23.471 --> 01:33:24.532
It depends on how close some were.

01:33:24.877 --> 01:33:27.877
Some were more in, more, more dear near death than others.

01:33:28.296 --> 01:33:30.907
Uh, but after I had my hip replacement operation.

01:33:30.907 --> 01:33:30.936
Okay.

01:33:31.356 --> 01:33:38.372
I, um, got pulmonary embolisms and I didn't know, uh, and so I've been on, you get that's like your lung, right?

01:33:38.372 --> 01:33:39.171
Where it's like Yes.

01:33:39.171 --> 01:33:40.447
You get blood clots in your lungs.

01:33:40.476 --> 01:33:42.186
Yeah, and I didn't know.

01:33:42.186 --> 01:33:48.817
And um, I felt pain in my chest for about three weeks.

01:33:48.822 --> 01:33:49.042
Mm-hmm.

01:33:49.792 --> 01:33:55.131
And I thought, oh, it must just be maybe we an infection and whatever, and I, I'll just run an ultra marathon, I'll be fine.

01:33:55.221 --> 01:34:00.921
Well, I'd started doing the rehab and so you gotta walk around the, the neighborhood and you gotta start going to gym.

01:34:00.921 --> 01:34:17.601
So I was doing all of this and um, eventually probably about it got really intense and I started having this tight chest really, really tight, couldn't breathe and I started coughing out blood, uh, at which point I was like on the phone to my sister.

01:34:17.631 --> 01:34:19.582
I like, you gotta come fetch me.

01:34:19.582 --> 01:34:20.752
You gotta conduct something's happening.

01:34:20.752 --> 01:34:21.327
I can't breathe.

01:34:21.327 --> 01:34:24.322
And she came to fetch me and rushed me to hospital.

01:34:24.322 --> 01:34:25.162
And they didn't.

01:34:25.252 --> 01:34:25.492
Yeah.

01:34:25.521 --> 01:34:30.622
They just, I had pulmonary saved you after four weeks of walk.

01:34:30.622 --> 01:34:30.681
Wow.

01:34:30.712 --> 01:34:36.202
And apparently I need 2% of the population survived pulmonary embolisms without exercise.

01:34:36.502 --> 01:34:36.832
Oh dang.

01:34:38.511 --> 01:34:46.072
The, the, the guy I was on, literally, I was like out of body at this point and kind of looking down because your lungs were all filling up with fluid basically in your, I was just down.

01:34:46.072 --> 01:34:46.822
I couldn't breathe.

01:34:46.822 --> 01:34:47.992
I was like, oh dang.

01:34:47.992 --> 01:34:53.481
And so, um, they were, they were, had oxygen on me and trying to just sort of get me breathing.

01:34:53.481 --> 01:34:58.582
And I just remember that the doctor, at some point after they got me stabilized, he just came in.

01:34:58.582 --> 01:34:59.122
He was like.

01:35:00.457 --> 01:35:01.146
Big eyes.

01:35:01.146 --> 01:35:03.577
He was like, can't believe we saved you.

01:35:03.697 --> 01:35:04.957
Are you still here or something?

01:35:05.136 --> 01:35:06.096
How are you still here?

01:35:06.096 --> 01:35:06.457
Dang.

01:35:06.846 --> 01:35:11.197
And then I got, after one of the comrades, I got blood clots again in my leg.

01:35:11.317 --> 01:35:11.886
Okay.

01:35:11.886 --> 01:35:13.146
Uh, and had to go to similar kind of thing.

01:35:13.146 --> 01:35:25.266
Similar, except I didn't let myself get to, um, uh, I picked up the symptoms a bit and then I was in a, uh, quite a, a big car accident, uh, which I have no idea how I walked out with, literally tell me the circumstance.

01:35:25.266 --> 01:35:29.046
Like I had a blow out on, on, uh, one of our highways.

01:35:29.317 --> 01:35:29.346
Okay.

01:35:29.346 --> 01:35:34.627
And I was driving and it was in, on the, um, you drive on the right there, we drive on the right.

01:35:34.627 --> 01:35:36.636
No, everything's like, I'm on a whole new timeline.

01:35:36.636 --> 01:35:39.502
So we drive on the right and, uh, but it's not British.

01:35:40.912 --> 01:35:41.242
No.

01:35:41.782 --> 01:35:42.381
Oh, it is British.

01:35:42.381 --> 01:35:42.502
It is, yeah.

01:35:42.502 --> 01:35:42.503
Common.

01:35:42.509 --> 01:35:43.221
Yeah, I guess it is.

01:35:43.221 --> 01:35:43.737
I thought it was common.

01:35:43.766 --> 01:35:46.216
Just British colonies are mainly the only ones that do it.

01:35:46.216 --> 01:35:46.296
Right.

01:35:46.402 --> 01:35:46.942
The Commonwealth.

01:35:46.942 --> 01:35:49.162
So to, I had to redo my driver's license.

01:35:49.162 --> 01:35:52.881
I had to, the written and the, and the right, whatever.

01:35:52.881 --> 01:35:54.261
I was, I've never been so nervous.

01:35:54.261 --> 01:36:02.902
The pressure of like doing my driver's license, the left, the written one, let alone that at the age of 51 or whatever, it was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm doing this again.

01:36:02.902 --> 01:36:03.381
However.

01:36:03.891 --> 01:36:06.412
And um, so you're driving and you had it blow it on your title?

01:36:06.412 --> 01:36:11.332
Yeah, I have a blood in the tire and driving on a highway and, you know, like you guys have barricades in between Sure.

01:36:11.481 --> 01:36:14.332
The barricade and sort of spun all over the place.

01:36:14.332 --> 01:36:14.391
Whoa.

01:36:15.021 --> 01:36:23.511
Uh, and literally, I mean, the, the car was squashed and I was driving, so my, the driver's side was like, oh dang hit.

01:36:23.752 --> 01:36:27.381
Like the car was half was half and Oh dang.

01:36:27.381 --> 01:36:30.681
And I still like just you you didn't bounce off of other cars or anything?

01:36:30.681 --> 01:36:30.742
No.

01:36:30.742 --> 01:36:36.502
Unfortunately, you and the guard rail played a little bit, me and the guardrail, and it was happen so quick, you know, because.

01:36:36.891 --> 01:36:40.042
Just next to the curve, there was a bit of grass and then, you know, the barrier.

01:36:40.042 --> 01:36:41.902
And so it had the blow.

01:36:42.082 --> 01:36:42.112
Oh.

01:36:42.112 --> 01:36:43.101
Got a fright.

01:36:43.492 --> 01:36:45.322
Probably going at 60, 70 miles.

01:36:45.532 --> 01:36:49.431
Got a fright, then went off the, didn't flip over.

01:36:49.431 --> 01:36:50.542
It just like spun.

01:36:50.542 --> 01:36:55.731
We should have, but the, the other tire blew.

01:36:55.731 --> 01:36:58.702
And then as we hit the, we you were whistling.

01:36:58.702 --> 01:36:59.122
I was, yeah.

01:36:59.122 --> 01:37:05.572
I had someone in the car with me, the, um, the tires because there was no tread.

01:37:05.572 --> 01:37:06.981
They kind of Oh yeah.

01:37:07.101 --> 01:37:07.761
Winded into, yeah.

01:37:08.002 --> 01:37:12.396
They're just sliding and instead of flipping over the guard rail kind of thing, that's, uh, so yeah.

01:37:12.506 --> 01:37:12.796
Yeah.

01:37:13.396 --> 01:37:13.676
A blessing.

01:37:13.676 --> 01:37:13.677
Yeah.

01:37:14.122 --> 01:37:15.681
So I'm very blessed to be here.

01:37:15.681 --> 01:37:16.641
I'm very grateful.

01:37:16.641 --> 01:37:19.042
And, uh, I think you got at least three or more near deaths than you.

01:37:19.176 --> 01:37:19.476
I'm done.

01:37:19.476 --> 01:37:19.917
You're young.

01:37:19.917 --> 01:37:20.596
Yeah, I'm done.

01:37:20.737 --> 01:37:21.077
I'm done.

01:37:21.256 --> 01:37:21.596
I'm done.

01:37:21.801 --> 01:37:23.237
The pian person No more please.

01:37:23.337 --> 01:37:24.037
Was like Okay.

01:37:24.042 --> 01:37:26.782
I think I'm, I'm, it's been like 10 years for me since I've had one.

01:37:26.782 --> 01:37:27.676
I kinda like breathing easily.

01:37:27.947 --> 01:37:28.912
It's kind of fun.

01:37:28.942 --> 01:37:29.542
Yeah.

01:37:29.542 --> 01:37:29.542
Yeah.

01:37:30.742 --> 01:37:31.011
Fair.

01:37:31.702 --> 01:37:34.822
Um, do you have any questions for me as we wrap this up?

01:37:35.692 --> 01:37:37.402
Well, well, there you go.

01:37:37.402 --> 01:37:40.192
What's the craziest thing that you haven't shared with your audience yet?

01:37:40.192 --> 01:37:41.032
About you?

01:37:41.481 --> 01:37:42.412
About me?

01:37:42.412 --> 01:37:42.471
Yeah.

01:37:43.492 --> 01:37:44.572
Near-death experiences.

01:37:44.572 --> 01:37:46.221
Well, I've shared a few stories.

01:37:46.341 --> 01:37:56.931
Um, I don't know I've ever shared that I was, I was five foot one at the end of my sophomore year of high school, so I was super short.

01:37:56.931 --> 01:38:00.202
I was five foot at the beginning of my seventh grade year.

01:38:00.202 --> 01:38:03.891
So I basically didn't grow from, from seventh grade to 10th grade.

01:38:04.101 --> 01:38:04.731
Oh my gosh.

01:38:04.792 --> 01:38:06.891
And, uh, then all of a sudden shot up.

01:38:07.431 --> 01:38:10.881
Uh, and I was a good basketball player, but unfortunately I was super short.

01:38:10.881 --> 01:38:13.072
So like I didn't work out that way.

01:38:13.462 --> 01:38:31.731
So, uh, so yeah, that experience of kind of, and, and I was kind of depressed at that time'cause I was like smart and stuff and I, you know, whatever people liked me and stuff, but like knowing that I was probably just, my dad was six four and knowing that I was gonna be this like shorty.

01:38:32.556 --> 01:38:36.426
For and kind of well accepting that, but not really.

01:38:36.426 --> 01:38:38.197
I was pretty depressed about it.

01:38:38.976 --> 01:38:46.478
Um, and then all of a sudden I started getting tall and it was like, well now I'm this, you know, six you, you up for it, two and 130 pounds or whatever, you know, at that time made.

01:38:46.481 --> 01:38:48.396
So it was also awkward growing.

01:38:48.907 --> 01:38:51.756
But, but yeah, it was a, you know, it was a humbling thing.

01:38:51.846 --> 01:38:54.997
Like, I, I don't know how to quite explain it.

01:38:54.997 --> 01:39:00.516
Like for all your shorties out there, you know, there's no shame in that, and I'm glad you're there too.

01:39:00.516 --> 01:39:09.157
But I don't know, for whatever reason, I had come to accept this fact that even though I had a really tall dad and a normal sized mom, I was gonna be like this short little guy all my life.

01:39:09.846 --> 01:39:14.466
And then I started growing, like by the time I confronted the issue, then I started growing.

01:39:14.466 --> 01:39:19.657
So that was definitely a fascinating time for me in a real small school, you know, 50 person high school.

01:39:19.657 --> 01:39:20.077
So it was.

01:39:20.452 --> 01:39:25.792
You know, I was Kurt the Squirt and was definitely bullied heavily more than most everybody else.

01:39:26.002 --> 01:39:26.061
Wow.

01:39:26.061 --> 01:39:26.752
I'm astounded.

01:39:26.752 --> 01:39:30.381
And I mean, I, I, that would just not, that didn't think I would be a victim of bully hood.

01:39:30.532 --> 01:39:30.891
No.

01:39:30.891 --> 01:39:32.841
And it wouldn't even feature that you were ever short.

01:39:34.162 --> 01:39:35.481
So I'm like, okay, well, fair.

01:39:35.931 --> 01:39:36.652
That's amazing.

01:39:36.652 --> 01:39:39.082
Yeah, so I guess it wasn't an experience wasn't a near death.

01:39:39.082 --> 01:39:43.822
I've shared a lot of my near death experiences on here already, so I didn't wanna duplicate one of those by accident.

01:39:43.822 --> 01:39:46.551
But, uh, but yeah, that was an experience for sure.

01:39:46.912 --> 01:39:47.421
Wow.

01:39:47.692 --> 01:39:48.141
Yeah.

01:39:48.292 --> 01:39:48.832
Thanks for asking.

01:39:49.192 --> 01:39:49.617
Yeah, sure.

01:39:49.617 --> 01:39:50.511
Well, thanks for sharing.

01:39:51.112 --> 01:39:51.832
Thanks for being here.

01:39:51.981 --> 01:39:52.252
Yeah.

01:39:52.252 --> 01:39:54.622
I mean, if people wanna find you, they just look you up on LinkedIn.

01:39:54.622 --> 01:39:55.341
Is that the best way?

01:39:55.492 --> 01:39:59.002
LinkedIn just, uh, look me up there and Yeah.

01:39:59.122 --> 01:40:00.322
I'm a little bit on Facebook.

01:40:00.322 --> 01:40:02.243
I do quite a few posts there or, okay.

01:40:02.243 --> 01:40:03.412
Or you can go to my website.

01:40:03.502 --> 01:40:04.761
Uh, center of Liberation.

01:40:04.792 --> 01:40:05.856
Center of liberation com.

01:40:05.856 --> 01:40:06.056
Yeah.

01:40:06.061 --> 01:40:07.671
Center of Liberation.

01:40:07.671 --> 01:40:09.377
So liberating you from all the, all the.

01:40:10.341 --> 01:40:13.011
The annoying, challenging, get happy, man.

01:40:13.011 --> 01:40:14.721
I'm just like, let's, let's just get happy.

01:40:14.721 --> 01:40:14.782
Yeah.

01:40:14.782 --> 01:40:20.572
Liberate yourself from the stress and anxiety of you wanna make more money, you wanna position your business, you wanna go to the next level.

01:40:20.572 --> 01:40:22.372
Um, go to the edges.

01:40:22.372 --> 01:40:25.131
Lean into the edges and what's next in expand your life.

01:40:25.131 --> 01:40:31.311
Expand your and um, and dirt, you know, quicker and easier than in a quantum way.

01:40:31.311 --> 01:40:33.532
In a quantum way than come play in my world.

01:40:33.591 --> 01:40:33.981
I'd like it.

01:40:33.981 --> 01:40:34.431
I would love it.

01:40:34.612 --> 01:40:36.021
Hey, I appreciate you being here, Sean.

01:40:36.021 --> 01:40:36.921
So great to be here.

01:40:36.921 --> 01:40:39.051
Have a nice, nice, uh, afternoon, evening.

01:40:39.292 --> 01:40:39.502
Yeah.

01:40:39.502 --> 01:40:40.131
Thank you so much.