EXPERIENCE 216 | Teamwork Makes the Dream Work - if the Beer Tastes Great! Josh & Angie Grenz, Owners of Verboten Brewing and Barrel Project in Loveland, and Verboten North Brewpub in Fort Collins.

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I met Josh and Angie Grins in the early months of their opening their first verboten location in a quiet industrial park in Loveland.

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And Angie actually came to the very first organizational meeting for the First Loco Think Tank chapter before I had even come up with the name Loco Think Tank.

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She didn't join and hasn't yet, but I remain hopeful.

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We stayed in touch over the years and reconnected more properly last year when they opened their second location and what had been Black Bottle Brewery in Fort Collins, which closed the fall before.

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Verboten means forbidden in German, and their selection of beers mostly has one thing in common.

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They use ingredients that would've been forbidden under historic German purity laws, which basically means you can have lager and you will love it.

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Sours and porters and wine barrel aged stouts, and you name it, they've done it and probably won a prestigious medal for it.

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Josh and Angie eventually moved to a great downtown location in Loveland, and the Verboten North is at the corner of Prospect and College in Fort Collins.

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This is a journey of starting small, focusing on the product and the people, and growing into a regional brand in an industry that has experienced decline in recent years.

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Verboten continues to grow and it's due to the hard work and smart decisions by Josh and Angie and their dedicated teams.

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So please enjoy as I did my conversation with Josh and Angie Grins.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guests today are Joshua and Angie Grins and they are the founders, owners and operators of Verboten Brewing and Barrel Project in Loveland and the recently new Verboten North Brew Pub.

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And, uh, wow.

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I said it all correctly.

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Good job.

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It's a mouthful.

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Yay.

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So, um, let's start with, uh, how, how long in Fort Collins now with the north location?

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Oh, we are right at almost a year, almost a year.

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10 months in a year.

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Okay.

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11 months, April.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 11 months in right now, so, mm-hmm.

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And, uh, how is the addition of food to the, uh, delivery of services?

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Oh, I, I tell you, I mean, you had food before, but pretzels and stuff.

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Oh, just premade snacks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But its nothing like this, not a kitchen.

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Yeah.

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It's definitely a labor of love.

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I think you have to love having food.

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Yeah.

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Or it is your worst nightmare.

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So.

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So you do love food though, it sounds like.

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I do love food.

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I love your menu.

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I've really enjoyed Yeah.

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Uh, several of the sandwiches I've had.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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And a pizza.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, uh, you know, good job on that.

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And that's relatively straightforward, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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It doesn't take a genius to put it together.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Uhuh.

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Oh.

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Not that you don't have geniuses working for you.

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You probably do.

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No.

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Uh, I tell you, if it was left up to me, I would probably try and do something way too bougie and crazy and then we would Right.

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Be broken and nobody would buy it in month three.

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Yeah.

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So it was crazy.

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My wife and I were just at, um, have you ever been down to the sand dunes recreation area?

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Oh no.

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It's kind of close to Sand Dunes National Park and, uh, we're a Hot Springs fan, so a joyful journey we've been to down there.

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Mm-hmm.

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But Sand Dunes has, uh, like a community pool with all these kids and old people and stuff.

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But then they have the greenhouse, which is like, kind like the, the high hops brewing kind of space.

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Oh, ah, the greenhouse kind of space.

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Mm-hmm.

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Or whatever.

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So it's just this gorgeous place, but they've got a bar and then their kitchen is putting out like crab cakes and really good sesame crusted ahi.

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Mm-hmm.

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And really kind of bou love stuff for like.

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North of Aosa.

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40 miles.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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With nothing much around.

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Yeah.

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No, I was really proud of'em actually.

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And they were not overpriced.

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Yeah.

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It was like they're giving those citizens mm-hmm.

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A little chance to have some nice, uh, you know, culinary delight.

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Nice.

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Yes.

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Yeah, it's important.

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We'd love to check that out.

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Yeah.

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Go down there.

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Chicago.

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We went to the blanking on the brewery Brewhub.

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That's a Michelin star.

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Oh, moody Tongue.

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Moody tongue.

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That was a fun event.

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Oh.

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Inter Michelin Star Brewhub.

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Oh wow.

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So you talk about like the, um, getting good at two things.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, and you know, uh, a simple pizza menu all the way up to a Michelin stard, um, menu tasting menu.

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It's fun to see where brewers, brewers go.

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Chuck land.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you have aspirations to.

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To get that started, maybe never quite that far.

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No, no.

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I would just like to consistently, that's a lot of work.

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Have a decent product that people enjoy having alongside some beers.

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So let's, uh, let's talk a little bit about the, the new location, especially now that you brought a couple of IPAs in.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, which is one of the things I remember we talked about, Angie, that, uh, when you moved to Fort Collins, you realized they'd like a lot more IPAs.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Actually, you know, at first we thought, well, we're gonna make this a kind of an extension of Loveland, and then pretty quick we're like, you know, it's not the same thing.

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Yeah.

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It's a different space and it needs its own focus.

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Yeah.

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And so, um, we happened to be vacationing in California and Josh was drinking all of these great Alvarado Street IPAs and we went to, and Carmel, yeah, there's, there's one brewery in Carmel.

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Okay.

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And more than half their taps were.

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Hop focus beer.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like sweetheart used to be.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Kind of.

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And it, and it was interesting just because, you know, he, he just never got sick of it.

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He drank IPAs the whole time.

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And so that's my wife, honestly.

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Yeah.

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And so, you know, we know that their, the popularity of IPAs isn't going anywhere, but then we got to thinking really, you know, it's a, it's something that we already had a great brewer, Kurt, he mm-hmm.

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He's done, um, IPAs for peculiar for a while and is just really talented and very passionate about them.

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The art of the Hop.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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But we had him in Loveland doing everything else but IPAs.

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And so we, we got to thinking, you know, it'd be fun to kind of change our focus up there a little bit and make Fort Collins more focused on IPAs.

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And, and he's slowly but surely been doing that.

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And now it's, it's been exciting.

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'cause I think we're really starting to draw people in with some of his IPAs.

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So we're, yeah.

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I love it.

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And, and we had 20 taps and so.

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We're still doing other styles.

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Sure, sure.

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But we're gonna have eight to 10 of those will be hop focused.

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Okay.

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So anywhere from Pale Ale to Sure.

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West Coast.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, pilsners, hoppy, pilsners to Well, and your, all the range of the IPAs, so your roots is really kind of doing what we want.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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With beer, right?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Josh, uh, maybe I'll let you chime in a little bit.

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You're, you were home brew before you guys started, is that true?

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Yeah.

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Home brewed for years.

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Um, involved with the Home Brew Club in Loveland.

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Um, and uh, yeah, that's just kind of how I got started.

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I grew up in Fort Collins.

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Okay.

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So new Belgium del.

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We're there when I could start drinking.

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Right.

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So I've always been, you know, into the beer culture and loved the beer culture.

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And we were doing beer cas.

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And so yeah, it was just, uh, that that was the start.

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And, um, yeah, we just had our 12th anniversary last weekend.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I missed it.

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Oh, sucks.

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That was fun.

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I, uh, we got all the anniversary beer still, actually, I was out, we were on a big road trip, as I mentioned.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, well, and I remember like, some of your early brew and I think they're still on, or like, like a Kentucky style and just some kind of more obscure kind of mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

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Recipes, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Talk to me about that.

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Was that like by design or?

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Yeah, that was by design.

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So, um, I mean, my brewing style and this was, was using, you know, doing different things using different ingredients.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, um.

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Angie came up with the name Verboten, which means forbidden, which was based upon what was forbidden in Germany to use.

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By law, they could used four ingredients in beer, water, malt, hops, and yeast.

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And everything else was illegal for boden.

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Forbidden.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it was just a focus on spices, fruits, obscure styles, barrel aging, specifically spirit and spirit barrels, which was also illegal.

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Oh.

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Um, and so that all kind of fit into mm-hmm.

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Not only my brewing style, but what we like to drink.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And um, yeah, I like to drink the weird stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes.

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Yeah.

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And I feel fortunate, you know, new Belgium, you know, especially new Belgium.

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Odell too, but especially in New Belgium, we're doing all these obscure styles, you know, Belgian styles with fruit and, and spices and Yeah, of course they've been doing that this before the Belgium thing kind of came along.

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Yeah, of course they do that in, in, in Belgium.

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But, um, that was kind of new too.

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I.

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To me and to Northern Colorado and to Colorado specifically.

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So we were kind of focused.

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It also allowed us to on that, but it also allowed us to just move and be trendy.

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Right.

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Um, or follow the trends.

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Yeah.

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You got no limitations, right.

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And be innovative and all those things.

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So we just wanted to be innovative and, and kind of take people the time we opened and take, take people to the next level.

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So we, we were like, let's, we're not converting people from Budweiser.

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I think that's already been done in Northern Colorado.

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And those that, like Budweiser, that's, that's fine.

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No problems with that.

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But people that are looking for like kind of the next experience in beer.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The next flavors in beer, beyond.

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They already had switched to craft beer and Mike Bruce and we're in that scene and we were like, let's take that a little bit further, but then let's keep going.

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Wherever that takes us just allows us to Yeah.

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Be innovative and different.

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Yeah.

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I was around during, you know, I, I moved here in 99.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so, you know, like 90 shilling and Easy street wheat and sunshine.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, had a dominant Yeah.

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Or a growing mm-hmm.

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But a dominant share of that left market still and they're still good beers.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, the variety really started to come in with some of those smallers and of course New Belgium was doing some of that.

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And I know Dell's from the start.

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Yeah.

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But it really.

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You know, they were leaning on those flagships and so you'd see them on the, all the handles.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then about the time you guys came on, the scene was when, you know, the restaurants Yes.

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With good beer scenes started coming and all that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Beer bars.

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Yeah.

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Choice, beer focused bars, all of these places.

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Yeah.

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And it's funny'cause when I, I was not a beer drinker when I moved here, so when I, you know, married Josh and started drinking beer, it wasn't, I didn't start with Budweiser.

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I started with, um, Odell New Belgium Linden, um, brewing on Lyndon Street.

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And these were these amazing, you know, full bodied, um, you know, robust beers that I was drinking.

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And so, you know, I cut my teeth on on some good stuff, so.

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Fair enough.

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So tell me a little bit more about the, the north location now.

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It's, uh mm-hmm.

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I'm, I'm very familiar with it'cause it was the former Black bottle brewing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, which was one of the most recent, um, the, the last bank loans I made was to help Sean open black metal brewing back years ago.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah, we, you know, we heard the space was gonna come available and, um, we're immediately interested because we had been looking for a while for a second location.

00:11:44.019 --> 00:11:45.879
Um, our debate was where was.

00:11:46.663 --> 00:11:48.014
The best spot for us.

00:11:48.043 --> 00:11:52.244
Um, going down to Denver seemed overly uh, difficult.

00:11:52.244 --> 00:11:52.729
A little too complex.

00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:53.048
Yeah.

00:11:53.714 --> 00:11:53.774
Yeah.

00:11:53.774 --> 00:11:57.884
But coming up to Fort Collins kind of felt right because, uh, he grew up here.

00:11:57.884 --> 00:11:57.943
Yeah.

00:11:58.033 --> 00:12:01.903
I, we spent the first I two decades of our marriage in Fort Collins.

00:12:01.933 --> 00:12:02.024
Sure.

00:12:02.024 --> 00:12:04.153
So, you know, I've been here.

00:12:04.183 --> 00:12:06.764
You had a lot of community connections through Style Magazine and all that.

00:12:06.764 --> 00:12:06.974
Yes.

00:12:07.004 --> 00:12:07.303
Yeah.

00:12:07.308 --> 00:12:13.153
So we knew a lot of people and so when we heard it was coming open and it also was a fully built out brew house.

00:12:13.153 --> 00:12:13.543
Right, right.

00:12:13.573 --> 00:12:15.043
It just kind of made sense.

00:12:15.193 --> 00:12:17.323
Does a license come along in a situation like that?

00:12:17.323 --> 00:12:18.193
Um, kind of, or.

00:12:18.333 --> 00:12:19.293
It can, it's easier.

00:12:19.384 --> 00:12:20.104
Yeah, it can.

00:12:20.104 --> 00:12:25.803
What we did is we, um, we took the license for a short period of time while we app applied for a new license.

00:12:25.923 --> 00:12:25.953
Mm.

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Um, and then we moved everything over to the new license.

00:12:28.714 --> 00:12:36.754
So, um, but it, you know, it's, uh, a brew pub license versus what we have in Loveland as a brewery manufacturing brewery.

00:12:36.783 --> 00:12:39.903
So, uh, two different licenses that we now hold.

00:12:40.024 --> 00:12:40.474
Yeah.

00:12:40.474 --> 00:12:40.475
Yeah.

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Does the brew pub mostly, as I understand it, requires some of that food element.

00:12:44.673 --> 00:12:45.004
Yeah.

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You know, some 20, 25% or whatever, it's 15%.

00:12:47.943 --> 00:12:48.063
Okay.

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Which is kind of cool because it's 15%, that's not a ton.

00:12:51.754 --> 00:12:54.124
Um, it tends to be more than that naturally.

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Um, you can still distribute a bunch of beer and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of this cool license though, because you don't have to have the kitchen open all the time.

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You're not under the same requirements as maybe a tavern.

00:13:03.663 --> 00:13:04.144
Oh, interesting.

00:13:04.144 --> 00:13:05.403
Or another, a restaurant.

00:13:05.703 --> 00:13:05.943
Yeah.

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So we can open our clo or close the kitchen as we want.

00:13:09.303 --> 00:13:13.566
Uh huh So it's like, okay, the food truck's here from this time, but you know, it's not the rest of the time.

00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:13.953
So yeah.

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As long as 15%.

00:13:15.573 --> 00:13:15.754
Yeah.

00:13:15.754 --> 00:13:16.953
As long as you're hitting that number.

00:13:16.953 --> 00:13:19.443
Is that like a monthly measure or, yeah, yeah.

00:13:19.504 --> 00:13:20.974
15% of your monthly sales.

00:13:20.974 --> 00:13:21.333
Yeah.

00:13:21.333 --> 00:13:21.394
Yeah.

00:13:21.573 --> 00:13:25.533
So, um, so kind of built it out in a, in a mm-hmm.

00:13:25.714 --> 00:13:33.634
Kind of modern, trendy compared to your, your south, your level location is a little more like Colorado brewery industrial.

00:13:33.874 --> 00:13:34.624
Yeah, yeah.

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Industrial.

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Yeah.

00:13:34.953 --> 00:13:35.793
Industrial old building.

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I mean that, yeah.

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The building was started in the twenties.

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Yeah.

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And finished sometime in the thirties, added onto, so it's got old brick Yeah.

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And industrial to some point.

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Yeah.

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But also.

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O an older building with a totally different fill where this is Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Much more modern.

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And this was, yeah.

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A newer building, and then we went in and black bottle was so dark.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so we really just wanted to brighten it up.

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Yeah.

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We also knew that we were gonna be offering, um, spirits and wine and addition and food.

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And so we wanted a space that felt a little bit more.

00:14:07.979 --> 00:14:08.249
Yeah.

00:14:08.394 --> 00:14:10.774
Um, it's got a little bit of a four 15 vibe Yeah.

00:14:11.163 --> 00:14:11.734
Back in the day.

00:14:11.734 --> 00:14:11.735
Yeah.

00:14:11.735 --> 00:14:17.009
A little more community, but a little less, um, pigeonholed right into the, uh, it's a brewery.

00:14:17.024 --> 00:14:18.178
Right, right, right, right.

00:14:18.269 --> 00:14:18.538
Okay.

00:14:18.869 --> 00:14:19.499
So, yeah.

00:14:19.769 --> 00:14:24.058
So, um, Josh, why don't you tell me about this?

00:14:24.269 --> 00:14:26.219
Oh, I guess your, this isn't your recipe.

00:14:26.219 --> 00:14:27.778
This is your brewer's recipe now.

00:14:27.778 --> 00:14:28.198
Is that right?

00:14:28.198 --> 00:14:28.259
Yeah.

00:14:28.259 --> 00:14:28.854
It's our brewer's recipe.

00:14:28.948 --> 00:14:31.739
So this is the, uh, the better use of mind.

00:14:31.828 --> 00:14:32.038
Yeah.

00:14:32.038 --> 00:14:32.974
Better use of mind, hazy.

00:14:32.974 --> 00:14:33.214
Mm-hmm.

00:14:33.298 --> 00:14:33.778
Hazy.

00:14:33.928 --> 00:14:35.879
IPA, hazy juicy IPA.

00:14:35.999 --> 00:14:40.769
And, um, this is, um, yeah, just kind of.

00:14:41.908 --> 00:14:42.928
A current offering.

00:14:43.229 --> 00:14:57.479
Um, you know, and what, what Kurt's doing, what he wants to do, and when we're in agreement with is just rotate them for now and kind of let our customers pick, see which ones really catch on, see which ones really stick, and then maybe those will be, you know, the, the year round offerings.

00:14:57.568 --> 00:15:00.298
And are you guys canning on location?

00:15:00.359 --> 00:15:00.448
Mm-hmm.

00:15:00.719 --> 00:15:00.774
All the time.

00:15:00.774 --> 00:15:01.053
Mm-hmm.

00:15:01.168 --> 00:15:01.589
Yeah.

00:15:01.739 --> 00:15:02.009
Yeah.

00:15:02.009 --> 00:15:02.788
We finally are.

00:15:04.259 --> 00:15:06.958
I know there used to be those like canning operations that would run around.

00:15:06.958 --> 00:15:07.173
Oh yeah.

00:15:07.173 --> 00:15:07.174
Yeah.

00:15:07.179 --> 00:15:20.099
And can you up a few kegs or whatever, but yeah, no, we, I mean we, um, you know, inherited a canning line that was the fifth one built, um, by a company in Denver called, uh, wild Goose.

00:15:20.188 --> 00:15:20.519
Okay.

00:15:20.524 --> 00:15:22.708
It was a fifth one built during Covid.

00:15:23.129 --> 00:15:23.399
Mm.

00:15:23.788 --> 00:15:26.999
So it was, you know, when breweries shut down overnight.

00:15:27.599 --> 00:15:27.869
Oh, right.

00:15:27.869 --> 00:15:30.418
At least they wanted canning lines because they had to get beer out.

00:15:30.448 --> 00:15:30.839
Right, right.

00:15:30.839 --> 00:15:31.859
That was the only way to do it.

00:15:31.979 --> 00:15:35.729
And so this was a, an affordable machine relative, I.

00:15:35.729 --> 00:15:35.788
Mm-hmm.

00:15:36.989 --> 00:15:41.818
They're all expensive, but this is a relative machine where it fills one at a time, but built well.

00:15:41.818 --> 00:15:44.158
But it was in disrepair, so I've just been working on it.

00:15:44.158 --> 00:15:48.568
We, we've ran our first successful runs there, um, this last week.

00:15:48.839 --> 00:15:49.078
Okay.

00:15:49.288 --> 00:15:49.408
Mm-hmm.

00:15:49.649 --> 00:15:55.769
So actually a lot of these, including this one that we brought today, we had to take to Loveland and use our canning line there.

00:15:55.979 --> 00:15:57.808
Oh, so you've been canning for a while?

00:15:57.869 --> 00:16:00.749
Yeah, we, we have been canning the stuff there for a little bit.

00:16:01.168 --> 00:16:04.619
Um, but we had our first successful runs just on Friday.

00:16:04.769 --> 00:16:05.129
Oh, wow.

00:16:05.219 --> 00:16:05.399
There.

00:16:05.578 --> 00:16:08.428
So just getting the, the machine up and working so Well.

00:16:08.428 --> 00:16:08.698
Thank you.

00:16:08.823 --> 00:16:09.543
I feel very honored.

00:16:09.719 --> 00:16:09.958
Yeah.

00:16:09.958 --> 00:16:15.928
We're, we're trying to get every, pretty much everything you can take to go in, in a can.

00:16:15.928 --> 00:16:18.298
That's, that's won't be everything, everything.

00:16:18.359 --> 00:16:24.658
Just because logistically that's stuff, but it's gonna be most everything that he's putting, uh, out and brewing there.

00:16:24.719 --> 00:16:26.038
Um, you can get in a can to go.

00:16:26.068 --> 00:16:33.119
That's a nice little, I I suspect that be has become a pretty popular thing is people will have lunch and a beer mm-hmm.

00:16:33.125 --> 00:16:34.558
You know, with their wife or mm-hmm.

00:16:34.798 --> 00:16:36.719
Something, and then grab a four pack to go.

00:16:36.778 --> 00:16:37.048
Yeah.

00:16:37.168 --> 00:16:37.469
Yeah.

00:16:37.474 --> 00:16:37.703
Mm-hmm.

00:16:37.783 --> 00:16:41.104
And it's, that's a nice little, uh, add-on revenue wise to the mm-hmm.

00:16:41.183 --> 00:16:41.823
To the ticket, right?

00:16:41.854 --> 00:16:42.144
Yeah.

00:16:42.144 --> 00:16:42.384
Yeah.

00:16:42.484 --> 00:16:44.969
And, and everything is so highly limited right now.

00:16:44.969 --> 00:16:50.504
We don't make huge batches of it that, you know, if, if you like it, you get to take it home, get it.

00:16:50.504 --> 00:16:52.318
You may not get to see it again for a while, so.

00:16:52.318 --> 00:16:52.438
Yeah.

00:16:53.458 --> 00:16:53.789
Well, and.

00:16:54.203 --> 00:16:54.744
It's interesting.

00:16:54.744 --> 00:16:59.964
When you guys first launched, you know, the, the Growler was very much the scene, right?

00:17:00.234 --> 00:17:00.714
Oh, yeah.

00:17:00.744 --> 00:17:01.163
Yeah.

00:17:01.163 --> 00:17:03.144
People come and buy a couple beers, still 50 of them in my basement.

00:17:04.074 --> 00:17:04.163
Right.

00:17:04.223 --> 00:17:08.213
I, I'm down to like five now, but, uh, I use'em for my kombucha actually.

00:17:08.213 --> 00:17:08.903
Oh, yeah.

00:17:08.963 --> 00:17:13.808
But I imagine that has gone, like, once the Crowler came along, breweries kind of focused more on that.

00:17:13.808 --> 00:17:14.128
Mm-hmm.

00:17:14.213 --> 00:17:18.233
I think easier labor wise and you didn't waste so much product.

00:17:18.239 --> 00:17:18.368
Mm-hmm.

00:17:18.528 --> 00:17:20.604
'cause the growler were always like Yeah.

00:17:20.604 --> 00:17:25.328
Overflowing and spilling and sometimes waste a lot of product and sometimes they come in dirty.

00:17:25.334 --> 00:17:25.854
Dirty.

00:17:25.854 --> 00:17:26.364
Yeah.

00:17:26.753 --> 00:17:31.193
They're dark and you can't, your beer tastes like crap because, and they have a bunch of crap in the bottom.

00:17:31.433 --> 00:17:31.794
Yeah.

00:17:31.794 --> 00:17:32.963
Growling spectrum.

00:17:33.028 --> 00:17:34.884
And so we, we stopped.

00:17:34.973 --> 00:17:35.183
Yeah.

00:17:35.183 --> 00:17:36.173
We still fill them.

00:17:36.173 --> 00:17:41.544
We will fill them and we'll do our due diligence to make sure they're clean, but we stopped selling them.

00:17:41.544 --> 00:17:42.054
Yeah.

00:17:42.054 --> 00:17:42.055
Yeah.

00:17:42.144 --> 00:17:43.614
So we do everything in aluminum.

00:17:43.673 --> 00:17:47.663
I mean, we have the, you know, we got on the, the Crowler machines.

00:17:47.903 --> 00:17:48.413
Um.

00:17:48.864 --> 00:17:50.394
Kind of when those first came out.

00:17:50.483 --> 00:17:50.544
Yeah.

00:17:50.544 --> 00:17:54.354
Which at this point has been years now, eight years ago or so.

00:17:54.354 --> 00:17:54.413
Yeah.

00:17:54.648 --> 00:17:54.729
Yeah.

00:17:54.804 --> 00:17:56.003
I think is a workhorse though.

00:17:56.003 --> 00:17:56.334
Yeah.

00:17:56.634 --> 00:17:58.433
So we got one of those at each location.

00:17:58.433 --> 00:18:00.294
So any beer you want, you can take in that.

00:18:00.298 --> 00:18:00.568
Yeah.

00:18:00.574 --> 00:18:00.834
Yeah.

00:18:00.834 --> 00:18:04.489
Um, and then, you know, we're just doing more of the, the Yeah.

00:18:04.794 --> 00:18:05.453
The cans.

00:18:05.453 --> 00:18:06.144
More varieties.

00:18:06.203 --> 00:18:06.384
Yeah.

00:18:06.384 --> 00:18:06.713
12.

00:18:06.713 --> 00:18:07.884
Well, I think that's one ounce package.

00:18:07.884 --> 00:18:14.513
One of the trends that's changed really since Covid Nation in some part is like people drink more at home than they used to.

00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:14.769
Yeah.

00:18:14.844 --> 00:18:15.023
Yeah.

00:18:15.054 --> 00:18:18.773
You know, it used to be, uh, kind of this, uh, verboten thing.

00:18:19.253 --> 00:18:19.344
Mm-hmm.

00:18:19.673 --> 00:18:21.354
And it's like, well, we can't go out, I guess.

00:18:21.564 --> 00:18:21.683
Yeah.

00:18:22.284 --> 00:18:23.364
We'll drink at home.

00:18:23.423 --> 00:18:24.114
It is true.

00:18:24.114 --> 00:18:30.983
I, yeah, we definitely see that there's a lot more packaging going out, packaged beer going out, so, yeah.

00:18:31.044 --> 00:18:31.374
Yeah.

00:18:31.374 --> 00:18:34.943
That, I mean, that kind of ebbs and flows somewhat.

00:18:35.304 --> 00:18:37.193
Um, I think.

00:18:38.278 --> 00:18:41.759
Kind of immediately after Covid, people couldn't wait to get back in the Yeah.

00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:41.993
Tap rooms.

00:18:41.993 --> 00:18:42.233
Mm-hmm.

00:18:42.314 --> 00:18:42.433
Yeah.

00:18:42.439 --> 00:18:42.449
Yeah.

00:18:42.449 --> 00:18:43.739
They were, they were drinking at home.

00:18:43.739 --> 00:18:46.078
And so, so it's kind of a mix.

00:18:46.169 --> 00:18:46.888
It's kind of a mix.

00:18:46.888 --> 00:18:52.679
A lot of people wanted to get back and be social, and we definitely have that crowd too.

00:18:53.219 --> 00:18:56.429
Um, but a lot of people enjoyed Yeah.

00:18:56.459 --> 00:18:58.199
Just drinking at, at home.

00:18:58.624 --> 00:18:58.864
Yeah.

00:18:58.979 --> 00:18:59.159
Yeah.

00:18:59.159 --> 00:19:06.959
That liked being alone and that's, you know, I mean, I, there was, there was a few weeks I wished I could have just hunkered down and not seen people.

00:19:07.318 --> 00:19:07.648
Right.

00:19:07.709 --> 00:19:08.638
We still had to work.

00:19:08.999 --> 00:19:10.618
I wonder what the aggregate is.

00:19:10.679 --> 00:19:15.269
Like if you, if you took like the, all of the kind of hospitality industries mm-hmm.

00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:18.538
Especially the restaurants and bars and taverns and stuff.

00:19:18.598 --> 00:19:23.699
My guess is that the people that used to go out a ton now stay home.

00:19:24.074 --> 00:19:25.183
A little bit more.

00:19:25.243 --> 00:19:25.483
Yep.

00:19:25.604 --> 00:19:28.723
Which then puts a dent in the, in the restaurant industry.

00:19:28.784 --> 00:19:28.874
Sure.

00:19:28.874 --> 00:19:31.574
Well, I think the DoorDash, yeah, the DoorDash a lot, a lot more.

00:19:31.814 --> 00:19:32.084
Right.

00:19:32.084 --> 00:19:33.493
But then DoorDash gets 20%.

00:19:33.703 --> 00:19:34.993
I always say this or whatever.

00:19:35.173 --> 00:19:41.953
I mean, we are, we're door dashing a lot because we have a ice cream shop two doors down from us in Loveland and people DoorDash, ice cream.

00:19:42.253 --> 00:19:50.203
And it kind of cracks me up because whatever that pint of ice cream costs you normally you're paying 25% more to have it delivered to your house.

00:19:50.443 --> 00:19:50.534
Right.

00:19:50.594 --> 00:19:51.644
But they do it all time.

00:19:51.644 --> 00:19:52.304
All the time.

00:19:52.394 --> 00:19:53.384
That's half melted.

00:19:55.243 --> 00:19:56.443
Maybe they put it in a cougar.

00:19:56.804 --> 00:20:04.243
But it's definitely part of our lifestyle now is, um, you know, ordering in which before it was a, you know, it was pizza.

00:20:04.334 --> 00:20:04.814
A rarity.

00:20:04.814 --> 00:20:06.013
Yeah, it was pizza when you did it.

00:20:06.013 --> 00:20:06.403
Yeah.

00:20:06.463 --> 00:20:08.203
And now it's all over the place, so.

00:20:08.203 --> 00:20:08.713
Yeah.

00:20:08.713 --> 00:20:08.714
Yeah.

00:20:09.134 --> 00:20:11.169
So, um, let's talk about the operations a little bit.

00:20:11.169 --> 00:20:11.449
Mm-hmm.

00:20:11.528 --> 00:20:16.034
So you've got a brewer in Fort Collins and then another brewer in Loveland.

00:20:16.038 --> 00:20:16.048
Yep.

00:20:16.048 --> 00:20:16.249
Mm-hmm.

00:20:16.663 --> 00:20:17.894
And Josh was the brewer.

00:20:17.894 --> 00:20:19.003
So now he just kind of.

00:20:19.394 --> 00:20:22.003
Jinx around are what, what's, what's your job, Josh?

00:20:22.003 --> 00:20:23.233
What do you do for OT in these days?

00:20:23.233 --> 00:20:23.534
Just, just whatever.

00:20:23.564 --> 00:20:25.903
I mean, I'm janitor the maintenance man.

00:20:25.933 --> 00:20:26.084
Yeah.

00:20:26.084 --> 00:20:27.044
Supply coordinator.

00:20:27.048 --> 00:20:27.614
That's mostly what I do.

00:20:27.614 --> 00:20:28.003
Yeah.

00:20:28.003 --> 00:20:30.284
Operations, supply coordinator.

00:20:30.913 --> 00:20:32.834
I keep everything moving in production.

00:20:32.864 --> 00:20:32.923
Yeah.

00:20:32.923 --> 00:20:33.193
Gotcha.

00:20:33.223 --> 00:20:43.068
Um, so you're ordering materials a lot of times and stuff like that, ordering materials, keeping, keeping it going, um, filling in holes where there's labor needs, right?

00:20:43.074 --> 00:20:43.544
Yeah.

00:20:43.544 --> 00:20:44.894
Head up, head up.

00:20:44.894 --> 00:20:46.064
All QC basically.

00:20:46.064 --> 00:20:46.784
Final jack of all position.

00:20:46.784 --> 00:20:46.844
Yeah.

00:20:47.054 --> 00:20:47.503
Oh yeah.

00:20:47.564 --> 00:20:56.743
So it's, it just got so busy with everything else that I just couldn't, you know, what I loved and what I still love is, you know, get my hands dirty and brewing, but it.

00:20:57.419 --> 00:20:58.618
And, and I got to do that.

00:20:58.618 --> 00:20:58.919
Mm-hmm.

00:20:59.278 --> 00:21:00.023
Up until Covid.

00:21:00.269 --> 00:21:05.939
And then it was just time to kind of, to, to reshift that and focus in on the business part.

00:21:05.969 --> 00:21:07.979
You don't do it ever even just for kicks.

00:21:07.979 --> 00:21:08.038
Yeah.

00:21:08.038 --> 00:21:08.608
I'll jump in.

00:21:08.699 --> 00:21:09.239
Okay.

00:21:09.298 --> 00:21:09.661
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:09.661 --> 00:21:09.662
Yeah.

00:21:09.749 --> 00:21:10.288
Now he does.

00:21:10.288 --> 00:21:12.505
When he wants to make a certain beer, he gets in there and bakes that beer.

00:21:12.505 --> 00:21:13.558
He gets a fresh idea.

00:21:13.558 --> 00:21:14.848
He is like, okay, I'll let you know.

00:21:14.848 --> 00:21:15.298
I got it.

00:21:15.298 --> 00:21:15.663
Root uhhuh.

00:21:15.663 --> 00:21:16.023
Mm-hmm.

00:21:16.104 --> 00:21:16.183
Yeah.

00:21:16.558 --> 00:21:20.489
That's usually, I mean, honestly, those are the beers he's really passionate about.

00:21:20.489 --> 00:21:22.858
Those are the beers that we oftentimes build metal with.

00:21:23.009 --> 00:21:23.278
Yeah.

00:21:23.398 --> 00:21:26.669
Because he just gets an idea in his head and has to see it through.

00:21:26.788 --> 00:21:28.919
And how many medals have you guys had so far?

00:21:29.009 --> 00:21:32.189
Oh, well, we've had two GABF medals.

00:21:32.338 --> 00:21:32.519
Yep.

00:21:32.878 --> 00:21:34.108
Um, which for who?

00:21:34.558 --> 00:21:35.278
Our killer boots.

00:21:35.308 --> 00:21:38.548
Now our first one was Little Nonsense Barrel aged Imperial Stout.

00:21:38.554 --> 00:21:39.144
Oh, oh, yeah.

00:21:39.148 --> 00:21:39.598
Yeah.

00:21:39.659 --> 00:21:40.663
That's, and then that was early.

00:21:40.773 --> 00:21:41.064
Yeah.

00:21:41.084 --> 00:21:43.348
And then, um, our barley wine.

00:21:43.409 --> 00:21:43.709
Mm-hmm.

00:21:43.769 --> 00:21:48.719
Which is, seems like that's, we're, we're on a hot streak with that right now.

00:21:48.719 --> 00:21:48.929
Hmm.

00:21:49.048 --> 00:21:49.558
Um.

00:21:50.443 --> 00:21:51.374
And the World Beer Cup.

00:21:51.374 --> 00:21:57.193
As far as the big ones, I mean there's a bunch of small ones, but the two big ones I always think of Great American Beer Festival and the World Beer Cup.

00:21:57.199 --> 00:21:57.348
Mm-hmm.

00:21:57.433 --> 00:21:57.673
Okay.

00:21:57.673 --> 00:22:00.673
And then there's like the US Open, that's fairly big competition.

00:22:00.673 --> 00:22:01.334
A few others.

00:22:01.334 --> 00:22:03.403
But yeah, those are the big, big ones.

00:22:03.403 --> 00:22:06.403
But I think like the World Beer Cup, we have seven now.

00:22:06.463 --> 00:22:06.644
Yeah.

00:22:06.644 --> 00:22:07.153
Dang.

00:22:07.153 --> 00:22:07.663
Yeah.

00:22:08.173 --> 00:22:12.108
A lot for our barley wine and, and for our barrel aged and dark beers and stouts.

00:22:12.344 --> 00:22:12.614
Yeah.

00:22:12.614 --> 00:22:15.913
So that's why the barrel project is such a big part of especially.

00:22:16.304 --> 00:22:19.423
And can you get those barrel project beers up in the north location too?

00:22:19.453 --> 00:22:20.594
Uh, occasionally, yes.

00:22:20.743 --> 00:22:22.310
Right now we have Mountain man Don sell'em too fast.

00:22:22.334 --> 00:22:23.054
Yeah.

00:22:23.054 --> 00:22:23.055
Yeah.

00:22:23.263 --> 00:22:28.628
We have Mountain Man and cans, which is what we took our first major metal ever was, uh, is the World House.

00:22:28.628 --> 00:22:29.683
That was our first World Cup medal.

00:22:29.683 --> 00:22:29.953
Yeah.

00:22:29.953 --> 00:22:31.034
At a year and a half old.

00:22:31.034 --> 00:22:31.544
So.

00:22:31.574 --> 00:22:31.693
Okay.

00:22:31.753 --> 00:22:33.193
That was so exciting for us.

00:22:33.193 --> 00:22:35.084
And so we bring that one back every so often.

00:22:35.084 --> 00:22:36.463
Is that a barley wine also?

00:22:36.554 --> 00:22:39.763
It is Barley wine light is like what I like to call it.

00:22:39.763 --> 00:22:42.104
I mean, technically it's, uh, English strong ale, so.

00:22:42.163 --> 00:22:42.493
Oh yeah.

00:22:42.493 --> 00:22:42.554
Yeah.

00:22:42.554 --> 00:22:43.304
I think, uh.

00:22:44.009 --> 00:22:44.818
Winter warmer.

00:22:44.878 --> 00:22:45.388
Yeah.

00:22:45.388 --> 00:22:45.390
Yeah.

00:22:45.538 --> 00:22:45.929
Yeah.

00:22:46.048 --> 00:22:46.528
I like it.

00:22:46.618 --> 00:22:48.118
High A BV, but yeah.

00:22:48.209 --> 00:22:48.479
Yeah.

00:22:48.479 --> 00:22:50.759
But not quite a barley wine somewhere in between.

00:22:50.788 --> 00:22:51.269
Yeah.

00:22:51.328 --> 00:22:51.568
Yeah.

00:22:51.989 --> 00:22:52.138
Yeah.

00:22:52.138 --> 00:22:55.528
Not, not quite breaking stools over your friends.

00:22:56.098 --> 00:22:56.459
Right.

00:22:56.848 --> 00:23:02.743
But almost barley wines aren't really, I mean, one of the sweet things about barley wines is that there are so sweet mm-hmm.

00:23:03.173 --> 00:23:04.903
That, at least for me mm-hmm.

00:23:04.989 --> 00:23:06.838
Who's not really a sweet connoisseur.

00:23:06.868 --> 00:23:06.989
Yeah.

00:23:06.989 --> 00:23:11.463
A barley wine kind of restricts my desire to go back for another sip, even though I love it.

00:23:11.463 --> 00:23:11.743
Mm-hmm.

00:23:11.743 --> 00:23:12.064
Mm-hmm.

00:23:12.173 --> 00:23:15.209
Like, I just don't have that craving for a next sip, by the way.

00:23:15.209 --> 00:23:16.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:16.439 --> 00:23:18.959
You have to kind of love that style sitting by a fire.

00:23:18.959 --> 00:23:20.638
It's like a port wine in some ways to me.

00:23:20.699 --> 00:23:21.028
Correct.

00:23:21.058 --> 00:23:21.358
Yeah.

00:23:21.364 --> 00:23:28.828
It's, it's really, I mean, it's the strongest beer that the English made and, um, so yeah, I mean it's, it's just, it's a winter winter beer.

00:23:28.828 --> 00:23:37.499
I mean, it's, it's, they were making it in the winter time and it's would survive a long time because all the alcohol and I think it's, uh, underappreciated style.

00:23:37.648 --> 00:23:42.388
Um, but it's definitely kind of an acquired taste, special occasion.

00:23:42.898 --> 00:23:44.159
It's not an everyday drinker.

00:23:44.249 --> 00:23:45.269
It's not a lawnmower beer.

00:23:45.534 --> 00:23:46.618
Yeah, it's not a shower beer.

00:23:48.298 --> 00:23:49.453
I mean, you can, yeah.

00:23:49.459 --> 00:23:49.739
Yeah.

00:23:49.798 --> 00:23:55.259
But it's funny, there's a whole entire group on Facebook called Barley Wine is Life.

00:23:55.769 --> 00:24:07.259
And um, yeah, our brewers, he, he posts on there quite a bit, but yeah, it's funny'cause they, there's a thing called like barley wine chugging actually opening a can and chugging the whole can change your day.

00:24:07.798 --> 00:24:07.979
Yeah.

00:24:07.979 --> 00:24:09.479
I like barley wine, but I've never done it.

00:24:10.199 --> 00:24:11.368
I like to sip on it.

00:24:11.429 --> 00:24:14.068
They're usually like 11% or something like that.

00:24:14.098 --> 00:24:14.309
Yeah, yeah.

00:24:14.338 --> 00:24:14.729
Usually.

00:24:14.729 --> 00:24:14.878
Yeah.

00:24:14.878 --> 00:24:16.378
Double double digits and up.

00:24:16.384 --> 00:24:16.493
Yeah.

00:24:16.558 --> 00:24:16.949
Yeah.

00:24:17.128 --> 00:24:21.989
I mean, ours are a regular ones, the lowest is 11 and the highest is.

00:24:22.378 --> 00:24:23.219
Been 18.

00:24:23.338 --> 00:24:24.659
Oh yeah.

00:24:26.608 --> 00:24:32.699
And Angie, what's your, uh, how would you describe your, uh, your job Oh, at promoting these days?

00:24:32.699 --> 00:24:38.068
If Josh is kind of operations overseer, I am the, the pencil pusher, kinda the back of the house.

00:24:38.098 --> 00:24:38.338
Yeah.

00:24:38.398 --> 00:24:40.078
Finance, admin, hr.

00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:40.528
Yeah.

00:24:40.858 --> 00:24:41.548
All of that.

00:24:41.578 --> 00:24:48.209
Um, and then I definitely, um, kind of am leading the gap, the gap between the kitchen and the front of house right now.

00:24:48.209 --> 00:24:48.298
Mm-hmm.

00:24:48.443 --> 00:24:48.683
Mm-hmm.

00:24:48.690 --> 00:24:51.388
Kind of, you know, helping both of those at north.

00:24:51.749 --> 00:24:53.638
Um, so it's, it's a lot of fun.

00:24:53.669 --> 00:24:53.729
Yeah.

00:24:54.003 --> 00:24:54.124
Yeah.

00:24:54.124 --> 00:24:58.229
But yeah, it's, uh, I'm, I'm definitely usually the one behind the scenes for sure.

00:24:58.229 --> 00:24:58.409
Yeah.

00:24:58.409 --> 00:24:58.648
Yeah.

00:24:58.854 --> 00:24:59.844
But yeah.

00:24:59.844 --> 00:25:02.544
How much, uh, how much have you learned?

00:25:02.544 --> 00:25:05.364
Um, oh gosh, so much.

00:25:05.423 --> 00:25:06.953
I mean, we're learning every day.

00:25:06.953 --> 00:25:16.703
The restaurant portion is always, um, something new that, that's a challenge to figure out, uh, you know, between managing menus and food costing Yeah.

00:25:16.733 --> 00:25:17.874
And staffing.

00:25:18.263 --> 00:25:21.683
Um, so it's kind of like, it's little, its own little worlds.

00:25:21.878 --> 00:25:22.169
Yeah.

00:25:22.374 --> 00:25:22.763
Yeah.

00:25:22.794 --> 00:25:23.844
I was just thinking about that.

00:25:23.844 --> 00:25:26.753
Like, you know, a restaurant will have a manager, right?

00:25:26.784 --> 00:25:27.023
Mm-hmm.

00:25:27.263 --> 00:25:27.265
But.

00:25:27.628 --> 00:25:36.628
But that's with all the revenues of the restaurant can pay that manager when you've got a 15% or 22% or 27% of your revenues.

00:25:36.628 --> 00:25:36.719
Yes.

00:25:36.719 --> 00:25:38.443
Like you can't have like a whole Yeah.

00:25:38.443 --> 00:25:41.638
It's, it's not full-time chef, like figuring out your restaurant enough moneymaker Yeah.

00:25:41.638 --> 00:25:44.548
To have its own human that just runs it.

00:25:44.548 --> 00:25:44.963
So, yeah.

00:25:45.074 --> 00:25:45.364
Yeah.

00:25:45.628 --> 00:25:48.239
So, but, um, we have such an amazing team there now.

00:25:48.239 --> 00:25:53.939
I think that's the biggest thing that we've learned is that, you know, you gotta have the right people in place.

00:25:53.939 --> 00:25:58.409
And now we have a friend of house team and a back of house team that work really well together.

00:25:58.888 --> 00:26:00.898
That's also a hard thing to accomplish.

00:26:00.898 --> 00:26:07.858
It took us every bit of the first year to, to get that team in place that works so good together and get a new culture, you know?

00:26:07.858 --> 00:26:08.159
Yeah.

00:26:08.189 --> 00:26:12.838
I mean, we have, you know, such a defined culture in Loveland and, and we know what it is.

00:26:12.959 --> 00:26:13.288
Yeah.

00:26:13.378 --> 00:26:16.499
And here we thought that that would be easier to figure out.

00:26:16.499 --> 00:26:16.679
Yeah.

00:26:17.003 --> 00:26:21.118
It was ing it was, it was challenging to, to find what our culture was.

00:26:21.703 --> 00:26:23.594
Based upon our staff.

00:26:23.624 --> 00:26:29.144
Well, I mean, ING and what we're doing like in Loveland, you're one of the OG breweries.

00:26:29.148 --> 00:26:29.229
Mm-hmm.

00:26:29.308 --> 00:26:29.669
First of all.

00:26:29.739 --> 00:26:30.028
Yeah.

00:26:30.028 --> 00:26:30.189
Right?

00:26:30.189 --> 00:26:30.388
Mm-hmm.

00:26:30.394 --> 00:26:31.394
And you got a great reputation.

00:26:31.394 --> 00:26:32.473
Everybody knows about you right?

00:26:32.473 --> 00:26:33.403
Downtown.

00:26:33.644 --> 00:26:33.733
Mm-hmm.

00:26:33.973 --> 00:26:34.454
You're kind of a.

00:26:34.798 --> 00:26:38.459
Like the cool kids all wanna come work for you there, here in Fort Collins.

00:26:38.459 --> 00:26:38.548
Mm-hmm.

00:26:38.548 --> 00:26:39.838
You're like, what's verboten?

00:26:39.868 --> 00:26:40.138
Yes.

00:26:40.259 --> 00:26:40.348
Mm-hmm.

00:26:40.828 --> 00:26:41.608
It's funny.

00:26:41.608 --> 00:26:42.749
It's, um, you know.

00:26:42.749 --> 00:26:43.138
Yeah.

00:26:43.138 --> 00:26:45.568
And Loveland, it's, it is very true.

00:26:45.568 --> 00:26:48.634
People wanna work for us, uh, and people trust what we put out.

00:26:48.693 --> 00:26:48.913
Mm.

00:26:48.933 --> 00:26:49.354
Mm-hmm.

00:26:49.433 --> 00:26:56.669
And so, um, we, I don't wanna say we don't have to work hard'cause that's a big thing to, to, um, a big standard to keep.

00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:56.969
Right.

00:26:57.028 --> 00:26:58.979
But as long as we tow that line.

00:26:59.229 --> 00:27:00.699
People come to us Right.

00:27:00.699 --> 00:27:05.919
Moving into Fort Collins, you know, we're, we have the, a good reputation, but we still have to prove ourselves.

00:27:05.923 --> 00:27:06.105
Sure, sure.

00:27:06.105 --> 00:27:15.189
And so, you know, we've, we've really tried to focus on not just having great beer, but having great food and having great cocktails and having great wine.

00:27:15.189 --> 00:27:16.479
And, you know, it's.

00:27:17.034 --> 00:27:25.163
The learning process has been that sometimes we miss the mark on the way we do something because, you know, it's not, you know, our You're newer at this part.

00:27:25.163 --> 00:27:26.007
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:26.011 --> 00:27:27.348
Um, but I think that we've still got great beers.

00:27:27.354 --> 00:27:28.223
Yeah.

00:27:28.223 --> 00:27:28.509
We've got great cocktails.

00:27:28.528 --> 00:27:28.949
We know that.

00:27:28.949 --> 00:27:29.229
Yeah.

00:27:29.233 --> 00:27:29.483
Yeah.

00:27:29.604 --> 00:27:32.814
But I think that we've, like, we keep, continue to learn from our mistakes.

00:27:32.814 --> 00:27:36.443
So I think that we've elevated, um, things as we've gone along.

00:27:36.443 --> 00:27:45.534
We have this great kind of hidden gin program that people don't necessarily know, know about, but the ones that do come in for it pretty solidly, we have 30 gins on.

00:27:45.894 --> 00:27:45.983
Oh boy.

00:27:46.104 --> 00:27:46.644
And yeah.

00:27:46.644 --> 00:27:49.644
And they can come in and we serve them differently than other people do.

00:27:49.644 --> 00:27:51.983
We serve them more like a European gin bar would.

00:27:52.403 --> 00:27:57.953
Um, we have the garnish and the gin and then the tonics on the side, and they can kind of mix it themselves.

00:27:58.013 --> 00:27:58.284
The, yeah.

00:27:58.284 --> 00:27:59.544
Oh, that's, could you pick your garnish?

00:27:59.784 --> 00:28:00.653
Pick your tonic.

00:28:00.659 --> 00:28:01.429
Oh, that's really interesting.

00:28:01.429 --> 00:28:02.868
Like with herbs and stuff, kind of.

00:28:02.874 --> 00:28:02.884
Yeah.

00:28:02.884 --> 00:28:04.284
We have all kinds of Yeah.

00:28:04.288 --> 00:28:04.788
Have Oh, fun.

00:28:04.913 --> 00:28:07.134
And some suggested, we have some suggested ones too.

00:28:07.163 --> 00:28:07.374
Yeah.

00:28:07.374 --> 00:28:09.773
We can suggest a pairing or people can come in and play.

00:28:09.773 --> 00:28:09.834
Huh.

00:28:10.344 --> 00:28:11.544
And so it's kind of fun.

00:28:11.753 --> 00:28:12.564
My, uh.

00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:17.338
The chef of the restaurant where I first worked in college, the first restaurant I worked at.

00:28:17.344 --> 00:28:17.503
Mm-hmm.

00:28:17.878 --> 00:28:22.769
The Grainery, uh, Maurice, I hope you're still with us, um, but I kind of doubt it.

00:28:22.949 --> 00:28:32.159
Um, but Maurice was a really big guy, and, and after his shift each day, he would have a, uh, skip and go naked at the bar before he went home.

00:28:32.159 --> 00:28:32.848
Do you know what that is?

00:28:32.909 --> 00:28:32.969
No.

00:28:33.509 --> 00:28:34.288
You could offer this.

00:28:34.288 --> 00:28:36.479
This is a nice drink, Josh.

00:28:36.479 --> 00:28:43.828
I'll let you put the recipe together, but it's give or take, um, three shots of gin in a, like an 18 ounce cocktail glass.

00:28:43.919 --> 00:28:44.009
Mm-hmm.

00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:51.778
Um, maybe, uh, like I, I guess it's just sour, like a gimlet kind of, uh, limey kind of stuff.

00:28:51.838 --> 00:28:52.048
Mm-hmm.

00:28:52.439 --> 00:28:56.398
Um, and then top it all off with.

00:28:56.743 --> 00:28:59.804
Bud Light from the tap.

00:28:59.804 --> 00:28:59.864
Wow.

00:29:00.523 --> 00:29:02.834
Uh, so you got basically, is that the naked part?

00:29:02.953 --> 00:29:06.854
A beer and three shots of gin and an easy drinking Wow.

00:29:06.854 --> 00:29:07.153
Vessel.

00:29:07.153 --> 00:29:07.874
Oh, with ice.

00:29:07.933 --> 00:29:08.564
With ice.

00:29:08.564 --> 00:29:09.104
With ice, yes.

00:29:09.253 --> 00:29:09.584
All right.

00:29:09.584 --> 00:29:11.413
I'm gonna go back and make one of these today.

00:29:12.374 --> 00:29:13.183
It'll make you skip naked.

00:29:13.378 --> 00:29:13.838
We pilsner.

00:29:13.838 --> 00:29:13.959
Yeah.

00:29:14.798 --> 00:29:15.703
Pilsner should work.

00:29:15.703 --> 00:29:16.124
Yeah.

00:29:16.364 --> 00:29:16.753
All right.

00:29:17.138 --> 00:29:17.398
All right.

00:29:18.044 --> 00:29:19.153
Well, we'll get back to you on health.

00:29:19.183 --> 00:29:22.003
You might want to decrease the portion size.

00:29:22.003 --> 00:29:22.753
Just a touch.

00:29:22.903 --> 00:29:22.994
I say gin.

00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:23.834
The gin can, yeah.

00:29:23.834 --> 00:29:26.324
I really doubt you could skip much after that drink though.

00:29:26.894 --> 00:29:27.374
No.

00:29:27.374 --> 00:29:30.919
Well, when Reese was skipping 300 pounds, skip three 40 pounds maybe.

00:29:30.919 --> 00:29:32.834
Oh, it's like a memory skip like your memory?

00:29:33.044 --> 00:29:34.003
Yeah, more like that.

00:29:34.003 --> 00:29:34.334
Yeah.

00:29:34.334 --> 00:29:34.634
Yeah.

00:29:34.634 --> 00:29:37.213
Usually he would just have one and go home and I felt comfortable.

00:29:37.213 --> 00:29:38.804
But if he had a second one.

00:29:39.148 --> 00:29:41.969
You didn't know what kind of conversation we were gonna get out to with Maurice.

00:29:42.959 --> 00:29:43.048
Right.

00:29:43.048 --> 00:29:43.919
It should be a wild, yeah.

00:29:43.919 --> 00:29:45.659
Six shots and two beers, basically.

00:29:45.659 --> 00:29:46.648
But he taught me a ton.

00:29:46.648 --> 00:29:51.894
Like so much of what I actually know about cooking in a restaurant and, and whatever is, uh, yeah.

00:29:51.898 --> 00:29:52.288
Yeah.

00:29:52.348 --> 00:29:56.489
So, um, so talk about verboten South now a little bit.

00:29:56.489 --> 00:29:58.169
Like, uh, that's the barrel project.

00:29:58.169 --> 00:29:58.229
Yeah.

00:29:58.288 --> 00:29:59.413
That's the mm-hmm.

00:29:59.564 --> 00:30:00.493
More traditional.

00:30:00.614 --> 00:30:02.144
Tap room, I guess, right?

00:30:02.173 --> 00:30:02.624
Yes.

00:30:02.624 --> 00:30:02.625
Mm-hmm.

00:30:02.699 --> 00:30:11.084
Definitely more traditional, more, um, uh, experimentation as far as just, um, always doing something different there.

00:30:11.084 --> 00:30:14.233
Kind of always looking for something fun to do.

00:30:14.443 --> 00:30:14.473
Mm.

00:30:14.653 --> 00:30:15.733
Um, yeah.

00:30:15.733 --> 00:30:16.753
I mean, keeping that innovative motion.

00:30:16.753 --> 00:30:16.844
Yes.

00:30:17.378 --> 00:30:17.578
Yes.

00:30:17.578 --> 00:30:17.579
Yeah.

00:30:18.374 --> 00:30:20.534
Um, and it's just, it's always fun.

00:30:20.534 --> 00:30:28.183
I mean, it's so much about beer knowledge and, um, uh, new, new styles and experiment.

00:30:28.183 --> 00:30:29.953
When I've been in there, I've met a lot of people that.

00:30:30.173 --> 00:30:31.973
Are there all the time and it's obvious.

00:30:32.064 --> 00:30:32.304
Yes.

00:30:32.304 --> 00:30:32.574
Yeah.

00:30:32.574 --> 00:30:32.663
Yes.

00:30:32.663 --> 00:30:32.723
Yeah.

00:30:32.729 --> 00:30:34.344
We have a lot of, I mean, we have lot of regulars.

00:30:34.344 --> 00:30:36.773
We have a lot of, we have regulars that, that are there more than we are.

00:30:36.864 --> 00:30:37.013
I'm sure.

00:30:37.013 --> 00:30:40.719
We have a lot of people that met there that now are married and mm-hmm.

00:30:40.884 --> 00:30:43.223
And they come a lot of friends and hang out Yeah.

00:30:43.223 --> 00:30:44.844
And do other things together now.

00:30:44.844 --> 00:30:49.104
And so, I mean, that, that's, that's what's cool about tap rooms and that's what's always been fun.

00:30:49.223 --> 00:30:55.253
And the culture of Tap has that and 12 years of, of community there is amazing, like 12 years of Yeah.

00:30:55.253 --> 00:30:56.574
Getting to know people.

00:30:56.574 --> 00:31:03.203
Um, and so we have such a history there now that, uh, it just makes it, it's really a special place.

00:31:03.203 --> 00:31:11.273
I think it's just such part of the, um, the community now that it's just, it would truly be missed if we weren't there.

00:31:11.394 --> 00:31:11.604
Yeah.

00:31:11.693 --> 00:31:18.354
We just, you know, we're a place that people meet after work, or the first stop that people go to celebrate something.

00:31:18.804 --> 00:31:18.864
Yeah.

00:31:18.864 --> 00:31:20.903
You know, so it's pretty cool that we, yeah.

00:31:20.903 --> 00:31:24.114
If somebody's having a bachelor party downtown Loveland, you're for sure one of the stops.

00:31:24.534 --> 00:31:24.713
Yes.

00:31:24.713 --> 00:31:24.714
Right.

00:31:24.729 --> 00:31:25.439
Don't question about it.

00:31:25.449 --> 00:31:25.798
Right.

00:31:26.308 --> 00:31:30.628
And our, like, our employees, um, are part of the people's families now.

00:31:30.628 --> 00:31:32.880
They just know'em so well and so mm-hmm.

00:31:33.179 --> 00:31:38.128
You know, that's something that it's, it's a tight weave down there, and so we really love that part of it.

00:31:38.308 --> 00:31:38.489
Yeah.

00:31:38.878 --> 00:31:40.019
Josh, what's the name of this one?

00:31:40.288 --> 00:31:41.699
This, uh, the West Coast.

00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.048
Uh, this is Give me time.

00:31:43.169 --> 00:31:43.949
Give me time.

00:31:43.953 --> 00:31:44.104
Mm-hmm.

00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:46.108
Yeah, just West Coast IPA.

00:31:46.138 --> 00:31:46.679
Yeah.

00:31:46.679 --> 00:31:48.209
Um, pretty classic West Coast.

00:31:48.358 --> 00:31:51.838
I would say both like your hazy and your West Coast are pretty mm-hmm.

00:31:52.169 --> 00:31:53.128
Mainstream.

00:31:53.219 --> 00:31:53.338
Mm-hmm.

00:31:53.578 --> 00:31:54.088
Very good.

00:31:54.328 --> 00:31:54.778
Good.

00:31:54.808 --> 00:31:54.989
Yes.

00:31:55.229 --> 00:31:59.788
Within that, but, uh, not shocking in any particular fashion.

00:31:59.969 --> 00:32:00.028
Yeah.

00:32:00.028 --> 00:32:00.118
Mm-hmm.

00:32:00.118 --> 00:32:03.778
Do you have a, do you have a favorite, you favorite one over the other?

00:32:04.229 --> 00:32:06.028
Uh, well, I mean, I like hazy.

00:32:06.568 --> 00:32:06.719
Yeah.

00:32:06.719 --> 00:32:08.638
Generally speaking, I, I drink more haes.

00:32:08.638 --> 00:32:09.304
It's, it's, mm-hmm.

00:32:09.443 --> 00:32:14.189
You know, when I, when I find that West Coast that I like, it's just my mood.

00:32:14.459 --> 00:32:23.068
I mean, I'm a, I'm a hop head at heart, like, you know, people always ask me, I'm surprise, you haven't yet what my favorite beer is, and my answer always is.

00:32:23.653 --> 00:32:24.554
The beer in my hand.

00:32:25.304 --> 00:32:29.473
But, um, what I get after, you know, shift, long day.

00:32:29.894 --> 00:32:34.213
Usually something hoppy, a lot of times it's a pilsner or something light.

00:32:34.364 --> 00:32:36.794
But yeah, I always go to go to hoppy.

00:32:36.794 --> 00:32:40.874
If we're visiting a brewery somewhere, I'm always gonna try whatever hoppy they have on.

00:32:41.084 --> 00:32:41.173
Mm-hmm.

00:32:41.473 --> 00:32:43.753
I just, I just love the difference in hops.

00:32:43.753 --> 00:32:48.703
How can change, change just a base beer style and be so different within that style?

00:32:48.703 --> 00:32:49.604
Yeah, yeah.

00:32:49.604 --> 00:32:49.605
Mm-hmm.

00:32:49.693 --> 00:32:52.663
The same malt in it, same yeast even.

00:32:52.663 --> 00:32:56.983
And then the different hops, how different that beer can be, where everything else is the same.

00:32:56.983 --> 00:33:01.483
But at the, uh, at the greenhouse there that I just described to you.

00:33:01.483 --> 00:33:01.574
Mm-hmm.

00:33:01.993 --> 00:33:07.963
Um, the two most popular orders from me and Jill, uh, she was getting the crank anchor.

00:33:08.084 --> 00:33:08.263
Mm-hmm.

00:33:08.743 --> 00:33:12.824
Uh, and then I was getting, oh, it was, I think it's called like.

00:33:14.219 --> 00:33:14.999
Epic day.

00:33:15.419 --> 00:33:15.509
Mm-hmm.

00:33:15.614 --> 00:33:15.834
Yes.

00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:18.450
A double IPA from the same, uh mm-hmm.

00:33:18.814 --> 00:33:19.594
Is it Una Vista?

00:33:19.854 --> 00:33:20.074
No.

00:33:20.074 --> 00:33:20.594
Eddie Line.

00:33:20.594 --> 00:33:21.193
Eddie Line.

00:33:21.243 --> 00:33:22.314
Eddie Line Brewing Company.

00:33:22.314 --> 00:33:22.513
Mm-hmm.

00:33:22.709 --> 00:33:23.848
They do a pretty good work down there.

00:33:23.848 --> 00:33:24.314
Oh yeah.

00:33:24.509 --> 00:33:24.689
Yeah.

00:33:24.689 --> 00:33:25.769
They make great, great stuff.

00:33:25.769 --> 00:33:25.949
Yeah.

00:33:26.159 --> 00:33:31.588
Jill was like, she hates double IPAs and Imperials usually'cause they're too sweet for her.

00:33:31.618 --> 00:33:31.814
Yeah.

00:33:31.814 --> 00:33:31.888
Yeah.

00:33:32.249 --> 00:33:34.318
Um, but that one, she was like, oh, that's pretty good.

00:33:34.798 --> 00:33:35.068
Oh yeah.

00:33:35.068 --> 00:33:35.069
Yeah.

00:33:35.128 --> 00:33:35.429
Nice.

00:33:35.429 --> 00:33:36.509
I was like, we be careful with that.

00:33:36.509 --> 00:33:39.628
That's, that was actually the first, first IPI liked was a double.

00:33:40.858 --> 00:33:41.128
Interesting.

00:33:41.128 --> 00:33:59.308
So that cut my teeth on craft beer and IPA, this was during the Hop Wars when, when Stone and everyone, you know, stone Brewery and everyone outta California was just, who could make the most bitter, the most over the top hockey like the IBU Wars, you know, it was IBU Wars inter International Bitterness units was.

00:33:59.983 --> 00:34:02.203
Signifies how the contrast bitter the beer is, right?

00:34:02.203 --> 00:34:08.023
So they were just trying to go higher and higher and make the most bitter thing and who could get more bitterness out of it.

00:34:08.023 --> 00:34:12.943
And it was kind of a joke because your palate can only taste so much bitterness anyways, right?

00:34:13.213 --> 00:34:15.014
It could be, it shuts down for it own purpose.

00:34:15.018 --> 00:34:19.724
It could be 90 IV or 5,000 and it's not gonna taste any more bitter.

00:34:20.054 --> 00:34:21.193
So it's a lot of just waste.

00:34:21.193 --> 00:34:26.503
But it came up during that time and it was like, man, this is stuff is taking the varnish off my teeth right now.

00:34:27.224 --> 00:34:28.364
And it wasn't that enjoyable.

00:34:28.364 --> 00:34:34.873
So it wasn't until the double IPA where that sweetness, it wasn't just all about bitterness, it was that little sweetness back into it.

00:34:34.878 --> 00:34:35.009
Yeah.

00:34:35.054 --> 00:34:35.353
Yeah.

00:34:35.353 --> 00:34:40.963
That it was like, okay, actually I like this one and, and now that, you know, fortunately that's changed.

00:34:40.994 --> 00:34:45.344
Everybody's brought it down and got it to a level that's more approachable.

00:34:45.403 --> 00:34:46.184
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:46.184 --> 00:34:46.184
Yeah.

00:34:46.528 --> 00:34:47.219
I feel like, yeah.

00:34:47.248 --> 00:34:52.829
IPAs now that are being produced are just, they're, they're so much more enjoy, enjoyable.

00:34:52.829 --> 00:34:58.048
I feel like we're, we're coming to this really great spot with IPAs where, uh, we understand what we're doing.

00:34:58.378 --> 00:35:04.108
People know what to do with hops now and how to treat them and, and so yeah, the product overall is just so much better.

00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:04.409
Yeah.

00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:05.338
Yeah, I would agree.

00:35:05.338 --> 00:35:06.028
Like it's mm-hmm.

00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:06.929
Become refined.

00:35:06.958 --> 00:35:07.318
Yeah.

00:35:07.378 --> 00:35:07.739
Yes.

00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:12.838
Not the wild wild West anymore, which I kind of enjoyed parts of the Wild, wild West, but there was some real.

00:35:13.259 --> 00:35:15.121
The shock value is not so great.

00:35:15.121 --> 00:35:16.168
Sometimes it's not as, yeah.

00:35:16.469 --> 00:35:17.489
Important to people.

00:35:17.489 --> 00:35:20.548
They want more drinkability out of what they're, they're enjoying.

00:35:20.554 --> 00:35:20.934
Mm-hmm.

00:35:21.153 --> 00:35:21.574
Mm-hmm.

00:35:21.929 --> 00:35:23.728
And what's next for you guys?

00:35:23.728 --> 00:35:29.579
Are you like, uh, well, Fort Collins is stable, let's do a third location, or is that something that you think about ever?

00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:29.639
No.

00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.309
Um, I don't know.

00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:36.358
Josh and I, we, um, we, we just, I was trying to keep this going.

00:35:36.418 --> 00:35:36.719
Yeah.

00:35:36.778 --> 00:35:40.798
We we're focused on just, you know, continuing to make everything run smoothly.

00:35:40.978 --> 00:35:41.159
Yeah.

00:35:41.248 --> 00:35:47.429
Um, Josh and I love to travel, so our idea is more to get everybody where they need to be and happy.

00:35:47.429 --> 00:35:50.128
And then check out for if we can make a little money.

00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:50.518
Yeah.

00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:52.708
And have you guys just pretty much take care of it.

00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:52.798
Yeah.

00:35:52.798 --> 00:35:53.818
That's kind of the goal.

00:35:53.818 --> 00:35:56.728
It can, if it can fuel our travel a little bit, that's awesome.

00:35:56.733 --> 00:35:56.934
Yeah.

00:35:56.934 --> 00:35:57.094
Yeah.

00:35:57.193 --> 00:35:57.653
So, yeah.

00:35:57.809 --> 00:35:58.259
Yeah.

00:35:58.259 --> 00:35:59.188
And we gotta get that point.

00:35:59.188 --> 00:36:03.748
I mean, you know, we've learned we gotta invest in your people and Yeah.

00:36:03.869 --> 00:36:05.128
Make sure that they're good.

00:36:05.338 --> 00:36:05.789
Um.

00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.579
And you can't just be checked out on them.

00:36:08.849 --> 00:36:09.179
Yeah.

00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:09.298
Yeah.

00:36:09.298 --> 00:36:11.054
And so, you know, I mean, we're working step Yeah.

00:36:11.054 --> 00:36:11.614
The owner checked out.

00:36:11.614 --> 00:36:12.778
Next step now is like, it's hard.

00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:13.318
Yeah.

00:36:13.378 --> 00:36:17.099
I mean our next step now is just making sure that everyone is in a good place that works for us.

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:17.608
They're happy.

00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:17.789
Yeah.

00:36:17.789 --> 00:36:18.929
We take care of them.

00:36:19.378 --> 00:36:25.739
They're comfortable enough where they don't need us day to day and, and, and we could actually take.

00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:27.539
You know, and travel a little bit.

00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:28.164
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:28.228 --> 00:36:30.898
Um, if we, you know, that's, that's a dream.

00:36:31.528 --> 00:36:36.778
Have you guys traveled much lately, or, uh, well, with this new location, probably not so much.

00:36:36.778 --> 00:36:48.509
Not in the last year since we opened the new location, but my sister is getting married in Italy, so for our one year anniversary for the Fort Collins location, we're having a big IPA festival.

00:36:48.509 --> 00:36:49.708
It's our hopper anniversary.

00:36:49.768 --> 00:36:49.829
Okay.

00:36:49.829 --> 00:36:49.949
Yep.

00:36:50.128 --> 00:36:53.759
Um, we're gonna have 20 plus IPAs, uh, most.

00:36:53.963 --> 00:36:54.983
Of them ours.

00:36:54.983 --> 00:36:57.204
But then a, a, a few guest guests tap too.

00:36:57.264 --> 00:36:59.483
Yeah, several guests actually probably half and half.

00:36:59.753 --> 00:37:04.068
Um, and then the next day we fly to Italy for boy Okay.

00:37:04.168 --> 00:37:06.023
For my sister's wedding and whatever devastation has left over.

00:37:06.023 --> 00:37:07.943
Yeah, exactly.

00:37:07.943 --> 00:37:08.003
Yeah.

00:37:08.364 --> 00:37:12.744
So that'll be our first big trip since we opened, but, um, yeah.

00:37:12.744 --> 00:37:13.193
That's awesome though.

00:37:13.193 --> 00:37:18.114
I was gonna say, it's just been a year, so I think that was my promise to you is to make sure this episode comes out before the hop anniversary.

00:37:18.168 --> 00:37:18.389
Yes.

00:37:18.713 --> 00:37:18.864
Yes.

00:37:18.864 --> 00:37:20.784
So what's the It's Saturday.

00:37:20.784 --> 00:37:22.824
It's uh, Saturday, April 26th.

00:37:22.824 --> 00:37:23.153
Okay.

00:37:23.304 --> 00:37:26.244
Um, it's, we, it'll be open to the public.

00:37:26.244 --> 00:37:27.173
You can walk in.

00:37:27.414 --> 00:37:34.523
Um, but we also have a VIP, uh, session that will kind of, uh, have its own hour to try everything and then just ticketed.

00:37:34.733 --> 00:37:35.123
Yeah.

00:37:35.123 --> 00:37:38.034
And then, um, after that it's four and eight ounces.

00:37:38.034 --> 00:37:39.684
Come in and try what you want.

00:37:39.688 --> 00:37:39.949
Little fun.

00:37:39.949 --> 00:37:40.188
Yeah.

00:37:40.188 --> 00:37:42.108
Kinda old school beer festival kind of thing.

00:37:42.108 --> 00:37:42.349
Yeah, yeah.

00:37:42.349 --> 00:37:42.653
A little bit.

00:37:42.653 --> 00:37:44.063
And yeah, it should be fun.

00:37:44.063 --> 00:37:44.753
It, I like it.

00:37:44.784 --> 00:37:45.083
Yeah.

00:37:45.088 --> 00:37:46.228
It's parking lot party a little bit too.

00:37:46.228 --> 00:37:46.509
Mm-hmm.

00:37:46.648 --> 00:37:46.869
Yep.

00:37:46.869 --> 00:37:47.188
Mm-hmm.

00:37:47.389 --> 00:37:49.914
I take it some DJs, uh, some food.

00:37:49.914 --> 00:37:50.724
It, it'll be fun.

00:37:51.023 --> 00:37:51.293
Awesome.

00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:53.998
Um, and then what a week?

00:37:54.268 --> 00:37:55.824
10 days and two weeks.

00:37:56.304 --> 00:37:56.583
I love it.

00:37:56.583 --> 00:37:56.704
Two weeks.

00:37:56.728 --> 00:38:01.139
We're actually, finally, we're gonna go to Italy and then, um, Belgium and Germany.

00:38:01.139 --> 00:38:01.864
So be Oh, wow.

00:38:01.974 --> 00:38:02.264
Yeah.

00:38:02.273 --> 00:38:04.349
We'll be on Sardinia for the wedding.

00:38:04.648 --> 00:38:05.639
So it's a work trip.

00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.903
At least the part is Belgium.

00:38:07.108 --> 00:38:08.309
Belgium and Germany.

00:38:08.548 --> 00:38:10.978
Now that we, on a business, everything is a work trip.

00:38:12.778 --> 00:38:14.369
As long as Iris or the other Iris isn't listening right now.

00:38:14.369 --> 00:38:14.458
No.

00:38:14.458 --> 00:38:16.528
We're going to end at the, the Froing Fest.

00:38:16.528 --> 00:38:17.458
I think I'm saying that righting.

00:38:17.789 --> 00:38:18.059
I don't know.

00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:19.438
German Fest.

00:38:19.438 --> 00:38:21.659
It's a, it's the Spring Beer Fest in Munich.

00:38:21.778 --> 00:38:22.318
Oh yeah.

00:38:22.318 --> 00:38:24.869
So it's a, it's, it's miniature October Fest.

00:38:25.108 --> 00:38:28.679
So like October Fest, it's like a fourth of the size.

00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:29.219
I like it.

00:38:29.333 --> 00:38:29.554
Of Octoberfest.

00:38:30.148 --> 00:38:32.114
But you could still get 30, especially same thing, three ounce.

00:38:32.309 --> 00:38:32.639
Yeah.

00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:32.938
Yes.

00:38:32.938 --> 00:38:35.489
Boots in the big tent in the music and all that.

00:38:35.489 --> 00:38:36.594
So the whole thing, I like it.

00:38:36.594 --> 00:38:37.353
So that's mm-hmm.

00:38:37.739 --> 00:38:39.329
We haven't got to go to October Fest.

00:38:39.329 --> 00:38:43.228
It's a bucket list item for us, but we thought, oh, we gotta go for a wedding.

00:38:43.228 --> 00:38:44.219
It's a mini October fest.

00:38:44.224 --> 00:38:45.391
This is happening now.

00:38:45.391 --> 00:38:45.929
Anyway, so, yeah.

00:38:45.929 --> 00:38:48.028
So that'll be well easy into the, so yeah, of course.

00:38:48.028 --> 00:38:49.153
Like I said, it's a beer cation.

00:38:49.224 --> 00:38:50.434
Well, I, we do beer occasion.

00:38:50.434 --> 00:38:57.059
Well, I'm confident you'll come back to a sustainable operation and Uhhuh, maybe it'll even work better and give you more confidence.

00:38:57.659 --> 00:38:58.018
Oh yeah.

00:38:58.018 --> 00:38:58.021
Oh yeah.

00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.179
I mean, like I said, our team is so awesome.

00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:01.048
They, they'll have it.

00:39:01.498 --> 00:39:02.938
They, they're, they're great people.

00:39:02.938 --> 00:39:04.079
So I dig it.

00:39:04.228 --> 00:39:04.588
Yeah.

00:39:04.708 --> 00:39:10.708
Um, I am feeling like, uh, we might wanna jump back soon.

00:39:10.708 --> 00:39:10.798
Mm-hmm.

00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:12.478
But let's go ahead and have a short break.

00:39:12.478 --> 00:39:14.369
'cause me and Josh are both empty on our beer.

00:39:14.398 --> 00:39:14.818
Okay?

00:39:15.449 --> 00:39:15.748
Mm-hmm.

00:39:15.750 --> 00:39:15.751
Okay.

00:39:15.753 --> 00:39:15.764
Mm-hmm.

00:39:15.833 --> 00:39:16.273
Sounds good.

00:40:12.128 --> 00:40:12.909
And we're back.

00:40:12.909 --> 00:40:19.478
Uh, and, uh, so what I wanna do,'cause you, I think I got acquainted with you guys just after you opened mm-hmm.

00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:21.998
Probably way back in the day on Thais Court.

00:40:22.244 --> 00:40:22.929
Uh, Taurus.

00:40:22.929 --> 00:40:23.139
Yes.

00:40:23.139 --> 00:40:23.949
Taurus Court.

00:40:23.963 --> 00:40:24.184
Yes.

00:40:24.518 --> 00:40:25.028
Yes.

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.409
Like, oh, let's, let's go back to like a, a year before.

00:40:29.469 --> 00:40:29.588
Mm-hmm.

00:40:30.009 --> 00:40:31.659
Uh, you opened verboten.

00:40:31.659 --> 00:40:34.179
Was it even an IDA yet or had you been planning it for years?

00:40:34.184 --> 00:40:35.679
It was, what was the situation?

00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:35.918
Yeah.

00:40:35.918 --> 00:40:38.139
We've been working on it for a couple years.

00:40:38.168 --> 00:40:38.559
Okay.

00:40:38.648 --> 00:40:39.128
Yeah.

00:40:39.184 --> 00:40:41.108
I, I think looking for the right location.

00:40:41.378 --> 00:40:41.739
Yeah.

00:40:41.768 --> 00:40:45.338
I mean, sounds crazy now, but we, uh.

00:40:46.114 --> 00:40:51.153
We were living in Fort Collins and we, we were looking all around, but specifically in Loveland.

00:40:51.184 --> 00:40:55.023
'cause we thought Fort Collins was oversaturated with breweries.

00:40:55.838 --> 00:40:56.768
They hadn't seen anything yet.

00:40:56.768 --> 00:40:58.768
It was probably going on 15 years ago now.

00:40:58.768 --> 00:40:59.583
Yeah, right.

00:40:59.733 --> 00:41:01.324
I'm like, how, why did we think that?

00:41:01.449 --> 00:41:01.608
Yeah.

00:41:03.903 --> 00:41:04.233
Yeah.

00:41:04.293 --> 00:41:07.954
Well, so he is, we're like, well, Loveland has less brewers.

00:41:08.403 --> 00:41:09.003
Breweries.

00:41:09.003 --> 00:41:16.713
And, um, there was a, a distiller across the street from the space, and he was a friend of ours and he's like, Hey, this building is available.

00:41:16.713 --> 00:41:17.733
You wanna come look at it?

00:41:17.733 --> 00:41:19.023
And was that Spring 44?

00:41:19.083 --> 00:41:19.804
Uh, no.

00:41:19.804 --> 00:41:20.134
When, when was that?

00:41:20.134 --> 00:41:20.793
Dancing Pines.

00:41:20.853 --> 00:41:21.934
Dancing Pines, okay.

00:41:21.934 --> 00:41:22.353
Yes.

00:41:22.534 --> 00:41:22.983
Long gone.

00:41:22.983 --> 00:41:24.543
Sold to, uh, family Jones.

00:41:24.603 --> 00:41:25.023
Yes.

00:41:25.028 --> 00:41:25.039
Yeah.

00:41:25.054 --> 00:41:25.503
Yeah.

00:41:25.503 --> 00:41:26.403
Now in the building there.

00:41:26.434 --> 00:41:26.643
Mm-hmm.

00:41:26.884 --> 00:41:27.628
On tourist court.

00:41:27.849 --> 00:41:34.054
But yeah, it seemed like a, like a great kind of marriage to have us both in this little bit more industrial area.

00:41:34.114 --> 00:41:38.673
Maybe we'd both bring people in and so yeah, we were, we started thinking about it.

00:41:38.793 --> 00:41:40.684
He was obsessed with the beer.

00:41:40.684 --> 00:41:42.664
I just wanted to own my own business.

00:41:42.784 --> 00:41:44.253
Um, and so it.

00:41:44.659 --> 00:41:45.889
Was a good time.

00:41:45.889 --> 00:41:48.528
We, you know, we didn't have anything to prevent us.

00:41:48.528 --> 00:41:50.028
We didn't have kids, so Yeah.

00:41:50.028 --> 00:41:52.668
There wasn't, uh, that concern if you go broke.

00:41:52.728 --> 00:41:54.378
Well, I can just work long.

00:41:54.378 --> 00:41:55.574
Us and the dog.

00:41:55.923 --> 00:41:56.934
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:56.994 --> 00:41:59.088
So, and what were you, what were you doing Josh?

00:41:59.088 --> 00:41:59.329
At the time?

00:41:59.329 --> 00:42:00.858
I did it for a small company.

00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.798
Um, I was a hardware guy, so, okay.

00:42:03.858 --> 00:42:08.059
I would fix broken hard drives and, you know, memory issues.

00:42:08.059 --> 00:42:11.389
And did they do that, rebuild computers for customers or you I, yeah.

00:42:11.389 --> 00:42:12.528
Did that for their company.

00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:13.789
I did that for this company.

00:42:13.793 --> 00:42:15.438
It was just, I mean, it was two of us.

00:42:15.708 --> 00:42:15.978
Gotcha.

00:42:15.978 --> 00:42:16.518
Two man shop.

00:42:16.548 --> 00:42:16.909
Okay.

00:42:16.909 --> 00:42:17.088
Yeah.

00:42:17.088 --> 00:42:17.298
Yeah.

00:42:18.018 --> 00:42:20.719
But you did it for other companies like, yeah, we did it for other companies.

00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.849
So kind of that, you know, five, uh, three to 15 employee range.

00:42:25.853 --> 00:42:26.298
Right, right.

00:42:26.389 --> 00:42:32.239
Where you would need help, you know, something breaks in-house, even a printer, you know, I was kind of the hardware guy.

00:42:32.329 --> 00:42:32.733
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:42:33.139 --> 00:42:34.369
And it was a great job.

00:42:34.369 --> 00:42:35.389
I really liked it.

00:42:35.478 --> 00:42:36.528
It was a leap.

00:42:36.648 --> 00:42:38.989
Um, I worked a lot from home.

00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.329
Um, I enjoyed the job.

00:42:41.329 --> 00:42:42.768
I could go out and, and.

00:42:43.309 --> 00:42:47.628
Play disc golf or golf, you know, you were kinda on call, take a lot, a lot of lunch.

00:42:47.628 --> 00:42:47.869
Yeah.

00:42:47.869 --> 00:42:49.518
On call, but after work nights.

00:42:49.518 --> 00:42:51.228
And I didn't mind that so much.

00:42:51.228 --> 00:42:54.108
And so it was, it was a nice, nice job.

00:42:54.108 --> 00:42:55.849
I, I liked, I liked that.

00:42:56.028 --> 00:43:02.704
And so even when this came up to do this, I was like, ah, man, I'm gonna trade like a job.

00:43:02.704 --> 00:43:07.429
I was working 30 ish hours and I'm gonna go to 60 to 80.

00:43:07.608 --> 00:43:08.028
Yeah.

00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.648
This is that, that was the hard leap I think, you know, are you really sure?

00:43:12.768 --> 00:43:13.309
Yeah.

00:43:13.309 --> 00:43:14.778
You know, and I was making decent money.

00:43:14.778 --> 00:43:16.248
So Was it your drive really?

00:43:16.248 --> 00:43:19.514
Like he was home brewing and you were like, I'm gonna go ahead and ride this Tony?

00:43:19.833 --> 00:43:20.358
Probably, yeah.

00:43:20.358 --> 00:43:23.208
I think if I hadn't been like, let's do it, let's go for it.

00:43:23.213 --> 00:43:23.634
He, yeah.

00:43:23.688 --> 00:43:27.588
He wouldn't, he'd have just stayed as a home brewer and I love beer enough.

00:43:27.588 --> 00:43:28.369
I was like, all right.

00:43:28.369 --> 00:43:28.759
Yeah.

00:43:28.938 --> 00:43:29.778
I mean, I can make beer.

00:43:29.778 --> 00:43:29.869
Mm-hmm.

00:43:30.108 --> 00:43:31.159
And it's gonna be, yeah.

00:43:31.338 --> 00:43:31.458
Yeah.

00:43:31.458 --> 00:43:32.193
It's gonna be a lot of fun.

00:43:33.273 --> 00:43:36.994
She's gonna work on the business part and the unfun stuff.

00:43:36.998 --> 00:43:37.653
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:38.349 --> 00:43:40.329
And what were you, what were you doing at the time?

00:43:40.349 --> 00:43:44.043
Um, I was, um, editor for NOCO Style magazine.

00:43:44.403 --> 00:43:44.523
Mm-hmm.

00:43:44.764 --> 00:43:45.393
Um, yeah.

00:43:45.393 --> 00:43:50.463
And I had been like a freelancer for them for years, then went on as editors, so, yeah.

00:43:50.463 --> 00:43:51.423
So that was your background mm-hmm.

00:43:51.664 --> 00:43:53.648
Was kind of writing content creation, things like that.

00:43:53.648 --> 00:43:54.009
Exactly.

00:43:54.188 --> 00:43:56.193
So the brand, this old.

00:43:56.233 --> 00:44:03.719
Uh, growler from literally probably 12 years ago, or 11 years ago or something, uh, has been my water bottle Yep.

00:44:04.268 --> 00:44:05.559
Here at the office for a long time.

00:44:05.744 --> 00:44:06.014
Yep.

00:44:06.074 --> 00:44:15.673
I remember when we had a, a couple that we started the brewery with, and I remember we, I would just send off lists of words and name possibilities and Oh, interesting.

00:44:15.673 --> 00:44:16.003
Yeah.

00:44:16.034 --> 00:44:21.704
And then, um, Otten was the one that everybody kinda gravitated towards and that we could build a story around.

00:44:21.704 --> 00:44:23.278
Oh, so you started with another couple at first?

00:44:23.353 --> 00:44:24.403
Yeah, we had another couple.

00:44:24.403 --> 00:44:24.434
Okay.

00:44:25.003 --> 00:44:32.233
They, they ironically had a young child, and so about a year and a half in, they realized that, hey, the work load was 60 hour weeks.

00:44:32.233 --> 00:44:33.373
It wasn't all fun.

00:44:33.434 --> 00:44:33.733
Yeah.

00:44:33.733 --> 00:44:37.454
It wasn't, it, it's, you didn't start making a bunch of money right away.

00:44:37.753 --> 00:44:41.594
No, they were, they talk to new business owners, new brewery owners, you know, all the time.

00:44:41.594 --> 00:44:43.333
Like, don't forget, this's still a business.

00:44:43.333 --> 00:44:44.833
Like you have to work hard at this.

00:44:44.864 --> 00:44:51.043
It's still, there's still money involved and brewing and there's a lot of fun to it, but there's a lot of things that aren't fun.

00:44:51.224 --> 00:44:51.673
Right.

00:44:51.673 --> 00:44:52.813
So you have to embrace.

00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:53.298
Both.

00:44:53.304 --> 00:44:53.534
Yeah.

00:44:53.748 --> 00:44:53.869
Yeah.

00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:56.898
Well, and like to be prepared for both, how much did it cost?

00:44:57.108 --> 00:44:59.748
Like you had a relatively affordable location.

00:44:59.748 --> 00:45:00.199
Yeah.

00:45:00.289 --> 00:45:06.768
Couple of, I mean, you know, things, I feel like we got into it for right around a hundred thousand at the time.

00:45:06.798 --> 00:45:06.889
Oh wow.

00:45:07.369 --> 00:45:08.478
So that was pretty low.

00:45:08.478 --> 00:45:11.028
But we started with a three barrel baby.

00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:11.630
Oh, gotcha.

00:45:11.635 --> 00:45:20.454
Brewing 90 gallons at a time, you know, so now we're at a 15 barrel, you know, brew house in Loveland and still have that three barrel.

00:45:20.454 --> 00:45:20.893
Yeah, yeah.

00:45:20.893 --> 00:45:21.949
We still have the three barrel.

00:45:21.954 --> 00:45:23.539
That's your experimental thing still to action.

00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:23.989
Yeah.

00:45:24.018 --> 00:45:27.710
So, but yeah, so it wasn't a huge, it wasn't a huge capital thing.

00:45:27.715 --> 00:45:27.974
Yeah.

00:45:28.188 --> 00:45:29.358
Capital investment.

00:45:29.418 --> 00:45:32.568
But it was a lot of time and energy.

00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:32.688
Sure.

00:45:32.688 --> 00:45:36.949
And I feel like that's the thing that trips, um, business owners up sometimes is, yeah.

00:45:37.188 --> 00:45:40.818
I mean, you can come up with capital, it's sometimes it's a pain, but you can come up with it.

00:45:40.878 --> 00:45:40.969
Yep.

00:45:41.268 --> 00:45:45.679
Um, but, you know, putting in the hours, that's a whole different animal.

00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.048
And I feel like that's sometimes is where we lose people.

00:45:48.108 --> 00:45:48.798
So you were.

00:45:49.204 --> 00:45:52.563
You stayed as editor for the style for a while too, right?

00:45:52.563 --> 00:45:52.623
Yeah.

00:45:52.684 --> 00:45:53.014
Yes.

00:45:53.014 --> 00:45:54.003
Like you were doing both?

00:45:54.184 --> 00:45:54.393
Yeah.

00:45:54.393 --> 00:45:59.884
We had an agreement with the other couple that Josh would be the first to go full-time and I would be the last to go full time.

00:45:59.884 --> 00:46:00.603
Oh, okay.

00:46:00.608 --> 00:46:03.409
Um,'cause you had a job kind of more Yeah, but we So a paying job.

00:46:03.409 --> 00:46:04.009
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:04.384 --> 00:46:07.713
But we ended up buying them out at about two and a half years in.

00:46:07.713 --> 00:46:07.744
Okay.

00:46:08.164 --> 00:46:12.153
And so when we bought them out, then I came on full-time to help.

00:46:12.153 --> 00:46:12.213
Yeah.

00:46:12.273 --> 00:46:17.344
But then, uh, you know, like throughout the years I've gone back to working full-time for my old job.

00:46:17.733 --> 00:46:23.369
Uh, you know, you do what the business needs and sometimes it needed me to go away if you need to hire somebody to do something.

00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:24.009
Well, yeah.

00:46:24.009 --> 00:46:25.233
If it didn't have the money for me.

00:46:25.233 --> 00:46:25.503
Yeah.

00:46:25.954 --> 00:46:26.523
Interesting.

00:46:26.614 --> 00:46:26.914
Yeah.

00:46:26.974 --> 00:46:32.824
Well, I think that's a great kind of tip of the hat toward the sacrifice that can be involved with launching a business.

00:46:32.829 --> 00:46:33.048
Mm-hmm.

00:46:33.128 --> 00:46:34.983
And even for running it for a while.

00:46:34.983 --> 00:46:35.284
Right?

00:46:35.523 --> 00:46:35.764
Yeah.

00:46:35.764 --> 00:46:39.664
I mean, you know, you look at businesses that have been there for a long time.

00:46:39.664 --> 00:46:43.443
You, I have a huge respect for'em because, you know, it's never stagnant.

00:46:43.443 --> 00:46:44.824
It never stays the same.

00:46:44.914 --> 00:46:47.224
And so you have to roll with the punches mm-hmm.

00:46:47.463 --> 00:46:48.634
Over and over again and.

00:46:49.278 --> 00:46:52.878
So what was your drive to to have your own business?

00:46:52.878 --> 00:46:54.918
Was it because you were in small business?

00:46:54.918 --> 00:46:56.449
I think because you grew up in a family like that.

00:46:56.523 --> 00:46:58.159
I think I grew up in a family like that.

00:46:58.159 --> 00:46:58.188
Okay.

00:46:58.188 --> 00:46:59.478
We had a family that was.

00:46:59.853 --> 00:47:01.143
Uh, you know, crazy.

00:47:01.143 --> 00:47:06.483
Never, never had a, a set schedule, always doing different things.

00:47:06.784 --> 00:47:10.083
If we went on a family vacation, we decided the day before to go.

00:47:10.708 --> 00:47:11.059
Right.

00:47:11.059 --> 00:47:12.978
Because, you know, my dad, things are kind of quiet right now.

00:47:13.068 --> 00:47:13.458
Let's go.

00:47:13.463 --> 00:47:13.684
Yeah.

00:47:13.954 --> 00:47:16.744
My dad had his own business, he had several businesses.

00:47:16.744 --> 00:47:21.844
So I think that, um, that drive to kind of drive my own ship too.

00:47:22.054 --> 00:47:22.114
Yeah.

00:47:22.324 --> 00:47:25.898
I really like to be able to be my own boss and Yeah.

00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:27.483
And so I always liked that.

00:47:27.483 --> 00:47:29.043
And I like the idea of building something.

00:47:29.074 --> 00:47:39.153
I mean, that's the thing that has kept us going is Josh's love of what he did and my love of watching it grow and seeing it be successful.

00:47:39.244 --> 00:47:39.483
Yeah.

00:47:39.483 --> 00:47:40.324
That is huge to me.

00:47:40.358 --> 00:47:43.594
That's the people, it's the numbers, it's all, it's the whole, that whole thing.

00:47:43.744 --> 00:47:43.833
Yeah.

00:47:43.833 --> 00:47:48.603
When it comes together and it's like important to people, that's pretty cool.

00:47:48.724 --> 00:47:49.023
Yeah.

00:47:49.023 --> 00:47:49.384
Mm-hmm.

00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:49.818
So.

00:47:51.259 --> 00:47:52.548
Did it catch on right away?

00:47:52.668 --> 00:47:56.313
Like No, I mean, you, it was a rough location to be honest.

00:47:56.313 --> 00:47:56.474
Yeah.

00:47:56.474 --> 00:47:57.349
It was a rough location.

00:47:57.438 --> 00:48:02.358
So when we, um, bought out our business partners, we also moved Oh.

00:48:02.358 --> 00:48:04.068
And at that time we moved to downtown.

00:48:04.099 --> 00:48:04.369
Yeah.

00:48:04.398 --> 00:48:06.469
So it was, we were shut down for five months.

00:48:06.469 --> 00:48:08.478
It was Well, and you had to find some capital Yeah.

00:48:08.478 --> 00:48:11.719
Both to buy them out and to build out this new place and stuff.

00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:12.079
Yes.

00:48:12.108 --> 00:48:14.208
Thank goodness for, uh, real estate.

00:48:14.898 --> 00:48:20.713
We sold a house and, and the proceeds, um, we were able to use to kinda help the business move and, yeah.

00:48:20.713 --> 00:48:20.954
Yeah.

00:48:21.094 --> 00:48:22.458
Uh, and then we, and when was this?

00:48:22.518 --> 00:48:27.048
This was, uh, we shut down in 2015 and reopened in, in 2016.

00:48:27.228 --> 00:48:27.559
Oh, wow.

00:48:27.588 --> 00:48:27.918
Yeah.

00:48:27.918 --> 00:48:29.838
So And so you had a period of time.

00:48:29.838 --> 00:48:29.989
Yeah.

00:48:29.989 --> 00:48:30.469
Did you have.

00:48:31.003 --> 00:48:33.074
Wholesale production going or anything at that time?

00:48:33.164 --> 00:48:33.673
Or you a brew bunch?

00:48:33.708 --> 00:48:34.469
We were contract brewing.

00:48:34.498 --> 00:48:34.789
Yeah.

00:48:35.128 --> 00:48:36.028
Um, snowbank.

00:48:36.188 --> 00:48:36.949
Snowbank now.

00:48:36.949 --> 00:48:37.148
Okay.

00:48:37.148 --> 00:48:38.668
Tim, which is now Tim is in that.

00:48:38.818 --> 00:48:39.108
Okay.

00:48:39.128 --> 00:48:39.349
Yep.

00:48:39.489 --> 00:48:41.534
Um, they were doing our contract brewing.

00:48:41.534 --> 00:48:42.909
I remember the, when they were doing some contract brewing for a while.

00:48:42.974 --> 00:48:45.494
I mean, we were barely hanging on there for a minute.

00:48:45.494 --> 00:48:45.974
Is that right?

00:48:45.974 --> 00:48:46.423
Yeah.

00:48:46.454 --> 00:48:52.094
And because it also, the industry was changing to where the tap room was your money maker.

00:48:52.184 --> 00:48:52.423
Right.

00:48:52.483 --> 00:48:59.114
You know, like, uh, wholesale that could supplement it, but really your money was made in the tap room and so, so you had to have a cool place.

00:48:59.264 --> 00:48:59.773
Yeah.

00:48:59.773 --> 00:49:04.753
And, and moving downtown, we kind of always felt like that would match us better anyways.

00:49:04.753 --> 00:49:06.463
We love the history, we love the people.

00:49:06.463 --> 00:49:08.293
We love to be around.

00:49:08.563 --> 00:49:08.804
Yeah.

00:49:08.864 --> 00:49:11.594
You know, the, the downtown, um, vibrancy.

00:49:11.684 --> 00:49:11.744
Yeah.

00:49:11.789 --> 00:49:11.909
Yeah.

00:49:11.914 --> 00:49:12.494
So, yeah.

00:49:12.614 --> 00:49:16.364
And so anyways moving there, it's, but it still, you know, it wasn't.

00:49:16.923 --> 00:49:24.333
Um, I wouldn't say it was really sustainable until, um, right about the, the pandemic.

00:49:24.333 --> 00:49:26.014
I think things changed a little bit.

00:49:26.014 --> 00:49:32.043
Like, I think after the pandemic downtown Loveland really activated in a way that it hadn't before.

00:49:32.074 --> 00:49:32.164
Yeah.

00:49:32.463 --> 00:49:38.614
And so people, instead of going, um, leaving town on the weekends to go to Fort Collins for dinner Hmm.

00:49:38.614 --> 00:49:40.173
They were staying in Loveland.

00:49:40.173 --> 00:49:40.324
Oh.

00:49:40.324 --> 00:49:43.264
And they were starting to really see some new businesses come in.

00:49:43.264 --> 00:49:43.324
Yeah.

00:49:43.329 --> 00:49:46.414
And, and so that I think is, I remember that about Loveland during the pandemic Yeah.

00:49:46.414 --> 00:49:56.523
Is there was a lot more kind of, not to, you know, insult Fort Collins or the Chamber here or whatever, but Loveland really bonded together at all in a much different way.

00:49:57.454 --> 00:49:57.753
Yeah.

00:49:57.753 --> 00:49:58.534
I, it just was, yeah.

00:49:58.534 --> 00:50:00.304
Mainly they, they got us heat, uh, they were.

00:50:01.023 --> 00:50:02.474
They paid our rent, Lance, the patio.

00:50:02.693 --> 00:50:03.393
Oh, really?

00:50:03.393 --> 00:50:04.969
Paid our rent for one year, one month.

00:50:04.969 --> 00:50:08.514
They paid our rent, um, through a And propane tanks.

00:50:08.543 --> 00:50:08.833
Yeah.

00:50:08.893 --> 00:50:12.498
And propane, like a, a stipend per month.

00:50:12.498 --> 00:50:19.188
And they just, they really worked hard and they also, they paid for everything outside all the patio space.

00:50:19.188 --> 00:50:19.248
Yeah.

00:50:19.398 --> 00:50:22.639
They also kept events going in downtown through the summer.

00:50:22.759 --> 00:50:23.059
Yeah.

00:50:23.059 --> 00:50:23.059
Yeah.

00:50:23.208 --> 00:50:27.918
So, you know, they had to be, of course, outdoors, but they kept out live music going.

00:50:27.918 --> 00:50:27.978
Yeah.

00:50:28.074 --> 00:50:28.273
Yeah.

00:50:28.278 --> 00:50:32.268
And I think it just meant so much to, uh, the community that Yeah.

00:50:32.268 --> 00:50:35.898
I, after that, uh, downtown Loven was a different animal.

00:50:35.989 --> 00:50:36.199
Yeah.

00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:36.528
Cool.

00:50:36.619 --> 00:50:36.708
Mm-hmm.

00:50:36.708 --> 00:50:37.039
Yeah.

00:50:37.099 --> 00:50:41.659
You know, I, I think, uh, we didn't, I mean, we saw a lot of efforts mm-hmm.

00:50:41.798 --> 00:50:42.648
And a lot of changes.

00:50:42.708 --> 00:50:42.798
Yeah.

00:50:42.833 --> 00:50:44.898
And, you know, tents where you could eat outside mm-hmm.

00:50:44.958 --> 00:50:48.259
And stuff like that in Fort Collins, but it wasn't the same kind of Yeah.

00:50:48.289 --> 00:50:50.119
We're all in this together kind of vibe, so, yeah.

00:50:50.869 --> 00:50:54.168
And then maybe it's,'cause um, Lovelands downtown is smaller.

00:50:54.739 --> 00:50:55.039
Yeah.

00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:55.878
So they could, they could do that.

00:50:55.909 --> 00:50:56.059
Yeah.

00:50:56.059 --> 00:50:56.809
More approachable.

00:50:56.813 --> 00:50:56.833
Yeah.

00:50:57.003 --> 00:50:57.353
Kinda.

00:50:58.458 --> 00:50:58.518
Yeah.

00:50:58.518 --> 00:50:58.519
Mm-hmm.

00:50:58.554 --> 00:50:59.074
That makes sense.

00:50:59.094 --> 00:50:59.514
Mm-hmm.

00:50:59.733 --> 00:50:59.954
Um.

00:51:00.693 --> 00:51:05.403
So when did you kind of come back into full-time?

00:51:05.673 --> 00:51:10.083
Uh, were you there working a little bit for a while or did you No.

00:51:10.083 --> 00:51:19.173
So from November, 2019 until, um, what was it, uh, two years ago in May, I was working full-time.

00:51:19.579 --> 00:51:25.668
Uh, for, uh, NOCO Style Magazine and part-time for Loveland, um, tap room.

00:51:25.668 --> 00:51:28.009
And, uh, did that for a minute.

00:51:28.009 --> 00:51:32.358
Then, uh, may, I was like, ah, I can't split my brain and my energy this way anymore.

00:51:32.628 --> 00:51:32.773
Yeah, too hard.

00:51:32.778 --> 00:51:35.239
So, yeah, so I, uh, left the magazine.

00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.329
I just freelance occasionally for them now, which is fun.

00:51:38.659 --> 00:51:44.989
Um, but I came back to Loveland and then about a year later, well less than a year later, were.

00:51:45.188 --> 00:51:47.108
Deciding to open a second location.

00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.184
Well, it was kind of like, well, I got, there's, yeah.

00:51:49.298 --> 00:51:50.108
There's enough of me.

00:51:50.108 --> 00:51:51.369
I got a little more of me now.

00:51:51.699 --> 00:51:52.059
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:52.083 --> 00:51:55.809
You know, where I was super spread thin as a one third time employee.

00:51:56.139 --> 00:52:02.318
And I think once you, once you start a business, you, you have to strive to start like three or four more.

00:52:03.009 --> 00:52:03.099
Right.

00:52:03.099 --> 00:52:11.409
So, so, you know, we were thinking a second location might be kind of cool, and I was like, and to be able to do something a little bit different.

00:52:11.409 --> 00:52:11.469
Yeah.

00:52:11.528 --> 00:52:14.858
That kind of, I don't know, pulls in some of my passions too.

00:52:14.858 --> 00:52:19.778
I do love food, Josh and I, um, we, food is a big part of our lives.

00:52:19.778 --> 00:52:19.780
Yeah.

00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:20.139
Yeah.

00:52:20.168 --> 00:52:21.159
So we love to cook.

00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:22.358
We love to go out to eat.

00:52:22.688 --> 00:52:26.063
Um, anyways, to be able to do these things was really exciting and Yeah.

00:52:26.204 --> 00:52:29.918
Fed your creativity a little bit more than just in a different way.

00:52:29.923 --> 00:52:30.704
Do, how do we Yeah.

00:52:30.704 --> 00:52:33.184
I feel like that's incrementally improve the level and locations.

00:52:33.213 --> 00:52:33.503
Yeah.

00:52:33.503 --> 00:52:33.623
Yeah.

00:52:33.628 --> 00:52:33.789
Yeah.

00:52:33.789 --> 00:52:34.659
I think that's a lot.

00:52:34.659 --> 00:52:36.639
You know, the entrepreneur song Yeah.

00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:40.719
Is, is at some point an entrepreneur wants the next challenge.

00:52:40.724 --> 00:52:40.903
Yeah.

00:52:40.909 --> 00:52:41.048
Yeah.

00:52:41.048 --> 00:52:41.318
A little bit.

00:52:41.838 --> 00:52:42.128
Yeah.

00:52:42.148 --> 00:52:49.889
And, and maybe, maybe, you know, they're, whatever they're doing is always a challenge, but, um, yeah, you're always cursing yourself.

00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:50.329
Yeah.

00:52:50.329 --> 00:52:51.603
You're just in the process.

00:52:51.603 --> 00:52:53.449
So we just felt like this was like the next challenge.

00:52:53.509 --> 00:52:53.929
Mm-hmm.

00:52:54.009 --> 00:53:01.414
Like what's the next challenge after being in this, at that point when we started thinking about was 10 years or 10 year, and it's like, yeah, what's the next thing?

00:53:01.414 --> 00:53:03.724
What's, what's the next challenge for us?

00:53:03.844 --> 00:53:04.324
You know?

00:53:05.043 --> 00:53:05.103
Yeah.

00:53:05.103 --> 00:53:05.793
Fine dining.

00:53:05.793 --> 00:53:06.929
It was fine dining.

00:53:07.088 --> 00:53:07.744
Fine dining.

00:53:07.744 --> 00:53:09.903
Get that Michelin star before you were 50.

00:53:09.903 --> 00:53:10.534
Oh boy.

00:53:10.539 --> 00:53:11.704
Another, another restaurant.

00:53:11.704 --> 00:53:13.954
Maybe just restaurant only this time.

00:53:13.954 --> 00:53:14.014
Yeah.

00:53:14.014 --> 00:53:16.563
I kid, I kid and old though.

00:53:16.563 --> 00:53:17.373
That's a problem.

00:53:17.643 --> 00:53:17.824
It is.

00:53:17.824 --> 00:53:19.983
And the energy doesn't quite like where it was month.

00:53:19.983 --> 00:53:22.083
Yeah, yeah.

00:53:22.083 --> 00:53:24.273
We're both, uh, courting 50, so are you?

00:53:24.329 --> 00:53:24.489
Yes.

00:53:24.489 --> 00:53:24.809
Uhhuh.

00:53:24.934 --> 00:53:27.648
I just turned last summer, so, uh, yeah.

00:53:28.268 --> 00:53:33.244
So it is true that you don't quite like the, the idea of 60 hour weeks now.

00:53:33.248 --> 00:53:33.369
Yeah.

00:53:33.373 --> 00:53:33.784
Yeah.

00:53:33.844 --> 00:53:36.063
Like starting, you know, 38 is a lot different.

00:53:36.063 --> 00:53:37.713
Or 39 or whatever.

00:53:37.713 --> 00:53:39.608
It's 38 when the business, yeah.

00:53:39.608 --> 00:53:39.728
Yeah.

00:53:40.384 --> 00:53:46.204
It's, uh, yeah, like kind of the swan song of the, uh, 60 hour, week willingness kind of thing, right?

00:53:46.563 --> 00:53:46.713
Yeah, no.

00:53:47.193 --> 00:53:54.844
So let's, uh, let's do, um, like if your key employees that have been with you the longest mm-hmm.

00:53:55.804 --> 00:54:02.373
Um, if they were here in the studio and I asked them, what, what do you think really sets verboten apart?

00:54:02.523 --> 00:54:04.773
Like, why, why have you been here for so long?

00:54:04.818 --> 00:54:04.909
Oh yeah.

00:54:06.094 --> 00:54:07.943
Well, what would they say?

00:54:08.059 --> 00:54:12.228
I feel like they would say a, that the beer is really great.

00:54:12.228 --> 00:54:12.289
Yeah.

00:54:12.588 --> 00:54:16.938
And that they travel and they see that our product is really amazing.

00:54:16.938 --> 00:54:21.798
But that also it is, uh, a family endeavor.

00:54:21.798 --> 00:54:27.588
Like we, we never say that if we took a medal, it was because, um, so and so made one great beer.

00:54:28.068 --> 00:54:32.208
We always think like, we took that medal because all the things aligned.

00:54:32.213 --> 00:54:36.739
The team effort was there, the team was happy, and so the brewer was happy.

00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:41.809
And so we had the ability to focus in, in a really great way.

00:54:41.809 --> 00:54:50.838
In that moment in time, there's just never been a, a moment where, you know, everything was falling down around us and we still produced a, a medal winning beer.

00:54:50.989 --> 00:54:51.168
Yeah.

00:54:51.228 --> 00:54:54.798
It has always been that everybody was kind of in this really great space.

00:54:55.009 --> 00:54:55.134
You were in your groove kind of.

00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:55.423
Mm-hmm.

00:54:55.423 --> 00:54:55.583
Mm-hmm.

00:54:55.938 --> 00:54:56.208
Yeah.

00:54:56.208 --> 00:55:01.503
And I would say they, they would say, and I've heard them say this, you know, we share the same passion mm-hmm.

00:55:01.623 --> 00:55:03.108
For the industry.

00:55:03.108 --> 00:55:03.168
Yeah.

00:55:03.168 --> 00:55:03.528
Um.

00:55:04.579 --> 00:55:08.958
And that they appreciate that we're around and that we're interested.

00:55:08.963 --> 00:55:09.153
Yeah.

00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:09.349
Yeah.

00:55:09.349 --> 00:55:10.878
And that we're, we're there.

00:55:11.449 --> 00:55:11.628
Yeah.

00:55:11.628 --> 00:55:12.378
Invested.

00:55:12.378 --> 00:55:12.380
Yes.

00:55:12.380 --> 00:55:12.380
Invested.

00:55:12.918 --> 00:55:13.009
Mm-hmm.

00:55:13.248 --> 00:55:17.449
You know, we're, we're, we're not just off in the scenes, you know, asking where the money is.

00:55:17.539 --> 00:55:17.688
Yeah.

00:55:17.688 --> 00:55:19.068
Driving your Mercedes around.

00:55:19.128 --> 00:55:19.548
Yeah.

00:55:19.548 --> 00:55:19.849
Yeah.

00:55:20.748 --> 00:55:22.594
Fancy trips in Europe and whatnot.

00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:22.759
Yeah.

00:55:22.938 --> 00:55:30.978
No, we still come back and, I mean, there's no job in, in either space that we wouldn't do if we were called in to do it.

00:55:30.983 --> 00:55:31.233
Yeah.

00:55:31.309 --> 00:55:31.369
Yeah.

00:55:31.458 --> 00:55:33.829
And I think that's means a lot to them too.

00:55:33.829 --> 00:55:34.074
It's part of the culture.

00:55:34.184 --> 00:55:34.474
Yeah.

00:55:34.474 --> 00:55:34.793
Mm-hmm.

00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:35.509
It is.

00:55:35.688 --> 00:55:38.329
I should work hard because Josh and Angie work hard.

00:55:38.358 --> 00:55:38.809
Yeah.

00:55:38.809 --> 00:55:40.878
And they care about people and so I should care about people.

00:55:40.878 --> 00:55:41.358
Yeah.

00:55:41.358 --> 00:55:42.798
Think that all those things, that's important.

00:55:42.798 --> 00:55:43.579
Lead by example.

00:55:44.059 --> 00:55:44.268
Yeah.

00:55:44.268 --> 00:55:44.329
Yeah.

00:55:44.329 --> 00:55:44.373
Yeah.

00:55:44.643 --> 00:55:45.094
Fair enough.

00:55:45.634 --> 00:55:49.173
Um, let's go to, uh, little Angie first.

00:55:50.373 --> 00:55:53.494
Oh, because I know Josh, you were b you were born and raised in Fort Collins.

00:55:53.494 --> 00:55:53.914
Is that true?

00:55:53.918 --> 00:55:54.119
Uhhuh.

00:55:54.273 --> 00:55:54.873
Okay, that's true.

00:55:54.934 --> 00:55:56.074
So I know that part already.

00:55:56.074 --> 00:55:56.134
Yeah.

00:55:56.134 --> 00:55:57.123
'cause we stumbled on it.

00:55:57.123 --> 00:55:59.224
And where's little Angie at?

00:55:59.643 --> 00:56:00.934
I come from West Virginia places.

00:56:01.143 --> 00:56:01.474
West Virginia?

00:56:01.503 --> 00:56:01.773
Yep.

00:56:01.983 --> 00:56:02.614
Interesting.

00:56:02.673 --> 00:56:02.974
Yep.

00:56:03.063 --> 00:56:04.204
Oh, it was a Kentucky Common.

00:56:04.204 --> 00:56:05.164
Was that Yeah.

00:56:05.164 --> 00:56:06.844
Unusual brand I was thinking, yeah.

00:56:06.898 --> 00:56:08.039
So West Virginia.

00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:08.664
That's West Virginia.

00:56:08.664 --> 00:56:09.903
That's a real west in the city.

00:56:09.903 --> 00:56:12.418
Girl of West Virginia or real country girl.

00:56:12.418 --> 00:56:13.469
Real country girl.

00:56:13.498 --> 00:56:14.248
Okay.

00:56:14.248 --> 00:56:14.458
Yeah.

00:56:14.458 --> 00:56:14.668
All right.

00:56:14.878 --> 00:56:15.929
Well, one of five.

00:56:15.989 --> 00:56:18.568
Um, but I think I mentioned it.

00:56:18.628 --> 00:56:21.719
My, my dad, he owned several businesses.

00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.389
He had wanderlust like you wouldn't believe.

00:56:24.778 --> 00:56:27.719
I think, you know, it was only my mom that kept us in one place.

00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.048
He was like, let's move to Belize and let's move to this place.

00:56:31.048 --> 00:56:32.704
I read about and build houses in China.

00:56:32.704 --> 00:56:32.983
Yeah.

00:56:32.983 --> 00:56:32.985
Yeah.

00:56:33.329 --> 00:56:34.708
When I was 16, he tried to get.

00:56:34.974 --> 00:56:37.134
Us to move to Estes Park, ironically.

00:56:37.134 --> 00:56:37.164
Oh.

00:56:37.193 --> 00:56:38.994
And start a business there.

00:56:38.994 --> 00:56:43.704
And, um, and what were these businesses, what was he in construction or retail or?

00:56:43.704 --> 00:56:48.623
Well, he, uh, he, uh, buys and sells used equipment.

00:56:48.773 --> 00:56:48.893
Mm-hmm.

00:56:49.494 --> 00:56:52.403
Um, he had a trucking business for a while.

00:56:52.733 --> 00:56:57.474
Um, and then he has, uh, he was gonna build log cabins for a while.

00:56:57.474 --> 00:56:58.884
He did a little bit and, yeah.

00:56:58.969 --> 00:56:59.168
Yeah.

00:56:59.423 --> 00:57:01.434
Uh, he has a short attention span.

00:57:01.849 --> 00:57:02.329
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:04.528
Kind of, kind of a dreamer type a little bit.

00:57:04.548 --> 00:57:04.969
Yes, yes.

00:57:05.028 --> 00:57:07.313
And so I, I have a fair share of that in me.

00:57:07.463 --> 00:57:07.764
Yes.

00:57:07.889 --> 00:57:10.014
I, I love the idea of a new challenge.

00:57:10.043 --> 00:57:11.963
I can't sit still for very long.

00:57:12.353 --> 00:57:14.003
I get bored pretty easy.

00:57:14.063 --> 00:57:16.614
And you were one of five and where in the order?

00:57:16.643 --> 00:57:18.233
I was the second child.

00:57:18.233 --> 00:57:19.284
First girl.

00:57:19.554 --> 00:57:19.824
Okay.

00:57:19.829 --> 00:57:20.248
So, yeah.

00:57:20.318 --> 00:57:20.608
Yeah.

00:57:20.608 --> 00:57:20.768
Yeah.

00:57:20.869 --> 00:57:22.733
So also, so the most responsible the whole time.

00:57:22.733 --> 00:57:22.824
Yes.

00:57:22.853 --> 00:57:27.143
Also the, the boss when, when they weren't around, so, yeah.

00:57:28.134 --> 00:57:28.284
Yeah.

00:57:28.284 --> 00:57:30.893
When I met her, it's the first time I went to the house.

00:57:31.494 --> 00:57:34.074
You turn on a road, dirt road, it's called Next Road.

00:57:34.074 --> 00:57:34.554
Mm-hmm.

00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:40.429
You drive a few miles back and then there's this log cabin on 35 acres in the woods in West Virginia.

00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:40.759
Mm-hmm.

00:57:40.759 --> 00:57:41.869
So give you an idea.

00:57:41.873 --> 00:57:42.469
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:42.469 --> 00:57:43.429
Country girl for sure.

00:57:43.429 --> 00:57:46.068
Like chickens and crit and stuff too, all that.

00:57:46.128 --> 00:57:49.608
But we also like wild children, we just wandered wherever we wanted.

00:57:49.608 --> 00:57:50.778
And with bare feet.

00:57:51.259 --> 00:57:51.498
Yeah.

00:57:51.498 --> 00:57:52.458
Like chasing raccoons.

00:57:52.548 --> 00:57:52.639
Mm-hmm.

00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:59.054
And whatever else mean, her older brother would, he'd go for days, he'd just go into the woods and go on for days and then, yeah.

00:57:59.298 --> 00:57:59.809
Interesting.

00:57:59.958 --> 00:58:03.168
But sometimes they'd get, so far you'd have to call home and say, come get me.

00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:03.650
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:58:03.829 --> 00:58:08.268
It was great though because we were all like creative in our own ways and For sure.

00:58:09.168 --> 00:58:19.134
And so, so I did always want to be this journalist that, uh, you know, was reporting on whatever, telling stories about a cool, interesting things around and stuff.

00:58:19.353 --> 00:58:22.909
Um, and so that was just something that stuck with me for a long time.

00:58:22.909 --> 00:58:27.228
And then I always wanted to own my own business and drive my own destiny, so, yeah.

00:58:27.228 --> 00:58:27.230
Yeah.

00:58:27.329 --> 00:58:28.139
I don't know.

00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.768
So what did that look like as you developed into a young lady?

00:58:31.768 --> 00:58:32.974
Like were you a good student?

00:58:33.164 --> 00:58:34.289
Were you, uh, yes.

00:58:34.289 --> 00:58:35.128
I, yep.

00:58:35.128 --> 00:58:39.268
I got a scholarship to go to West Virginia University.

00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:39.748
Okay.

00:58:39.748 --> 00:58:41.699
As a journalism major.

00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:46.619
Uh, did that, um, met outta school, uh, graduated.

00:58:46.648 --> 00:58:49.349
Then a couple years later, met Josh through mutual friends.

00:58:49.349 --> 00:58:49.378
Okay.

00:58:49.798 --> 00:58:51.088
When he was in Ohio.

00:58:51.088 --> 00:58:55.559
And so at the time I thought maybe I'd move to like Pittsburgh or another city.

00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:56.400
I, yeah.

00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:56.400
Yeah.

00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.168
I had a big desire to go to a city.

00:58:58.528 --> 00:59:01.289
Um, and then instead he lured me to Fort Collins.

00:59:01.289 --> 00:59:02.548
So, well, and we'll come back to him.

00:59:02.548 --> 00:59:07.934
It's easy why you were in Ohio, but I just have her visit once and you're like, do you wanna move to Colorado?

00:59:07.938 --> 00:59:08.159
Colorado?

00:59:08.188 --> 00:59:08.548
Yes.

00:59:08.548 --> 00:59:08.938
She said that way.

00:59:10.048 --> 00:59:15.628
So Josh, uh, gimme the circumstances of your, uh, youth, if you will.

00:59:15.978 --> 00:59:18.108
Yeah, grew up, uh, in Fort Collins, actually.

00:59:18.108 --> 00:59:18.739
LaPorte.

00:59:18.949 --> 00:59:19.309
Okay.

00:59:19.369 --> 00:59:20.268
Um, oh yeah.

00:59:20.268 --> 00:59:23.599
So, which is still kinda like the West Virginia of Northern Colorado.

00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:24.409
Northern Colorado.

00:59:24.528 --> 00:59:24.708
Yep.

00:59:25.699 --> 00:59:26.088
It's close.

00:59:26.088 --> 00:59:26.809
Love you LaPorte.

00:59:26.809 --> 00:59:28.458
I would move there if I had a chance.

00:59:28.458 --> 00:59:30.048
Even I'm on La Porte Avenue even, right?

00:59:30.108 --> 00:59:30.318
Oh yeah.

00:59:30.409 --> 00:59:34.398
His mom's still, it's Spanish for the port LA port.

00:59:34.579 --> 00:59:34.938
Yeah.

00:59:35.028 --> 00:59:37.579
Um, my mom still lives in the house that I grew up in.

00:59:37.668 --> 00:59:38.088
Oh, cool.

00:59:38.358 --> 00:59:43.668
Um, my dad died, you know, 20 years ago now, but he grew up in Wellington on a farm.

00:59:43.818 --> 00:59:44.179
Okay.

00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:52.219
And so he was, he was a farm boy at heart and I think he always hated, you know, living in, had to have some dumb job and living a house.

00:59:52.489 --> 00:59:54.349
Not have any chickens or goats or anything.

00:59:54.349 --> 00:59:54.559
Don't think.

00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:58.489
Oh, well we had chickens and goats and rabbits on the top, but not a real farm.

00:59:59.778 --> 00:59:59.780
Oh.

00:59:59.780 --> 00:59:59.782
You know.

01:00:00.048 --> 01:00:00.498
Oh, in the backyard.

01:00:00.498 --> 01:00:02.389
Pretty small house in LaPorte.

01:00:02.478 --> 01:00:02.958
Um.

01:00:04.023 --> 01:00:14.914
And so, yeah, I, you know, I was in the area, you know, a long time and had family here and middle child and, um, graduated high school, putter high school.

01:00:15.034 --> 01:00:18.429
Were you, uh, went to Front Range Good kid too and Yeah.

01:00:18.429 --> 01:00:18.748
Front range.

01:00:19.023 --> 01:00:20.403
Did not, didn't get a scholarship or anything.

01:00:20.403 --> 01:00:20.884
Yeah.

01:00:21.003 --> 01:00:22.054
No, no.

01:00:22.083 --> 01:00:24.994
I mean, I, I I was gonna be a musician, so Oh really?

01:00:25.233 --> 01:00:27.423
I mean, I still like still play a band, the guitar.

01:00:27.429 --> 01:00:27.708
Yeah.

01:00:27.708 --> 01:00:29.853
I was, I was gonna be a rock star and all the world.

01:00:29.853 --> 01:00:30.994
That's, that.

01:00:30.994 --> 01:00:32.164
That didn't happen, obviously.

01:00:32.164 --> 01:00:33.423
I, me Hess in plays guitar.

01:00:33.423 --> 01:00:34.054
Oh, I still do.

01:00:34.054 --> 01:00:34.923
But that's important.

01:00:35.103 --> 01:00:35.463
Yeah.

01:00:35.523 --> 01:00:35.824
Yeah.

01:00:35.824 --> 01:00:44.764
So I thought that was gonna be what I was gonna do and um, yeah, that didn't turn out so much, but, so when I realized that, that was So how hard did your push at it?

01:00:45.724 --> 01:00:50.253
Uh, I mean, pretty, we had a band.

01:00:50.409 --> 01:00:51.668
We tried, we a band real hard.

01:00:51.818 --> 01:00:52.108
Yeah.

01:00:52.108 --> 01:00:52.588
We tried hard.

01:00:52.588 --> 01:00:53.028
Jimmy quit.

01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:53.588
Exactly.

01:00:53.699 --> 01:00:54.748
Jodi got married.

01:00:55.173 --> 01:00:56.068
Yeah, that's exactly, yeah.

01:00:56.074 --> 01:00:56.344
Something like that.

01:00:56.349 --> 01:00:58.833
That, that song, that's exactly what happened.

01:00:59.463 --> 01:01:00.094
Um.

01:01:00.844 --> 01:01:01.384
So, yeah.

01:01:01.534 --> 01:01:03.548
So you went to Ohio and met this girl?

01:01:03.548 --> 01:01:03.708
Yeah.

01:01:03.708 --> 01:01:10.923
I went to Ohio and met, you know, for what it was like, well, like a summer, he drove a beat up, uh, Chave to Memphis?

01:01:10.983 --> 01:01:11.224
Yeah.

01:01:11.224 --> 01:01:11.914
Me and a buddy.

01:01:11.943 --> 01:01:12.813
Oh, okay.

01:01:12.813 --> 01:01:14.463
So this is part of the music dream still.

01:01:14.463 --> 01:01:14.643
Yeah.

01:01:14.728 --> 01:01:15.909
And Memphis was like, yeah, me and a buddy.

01:01:16.384 --> 01:01:16.773
Yeah.

01:01:16.833 --> 01:01:19.324
He played drums and I played guitar and sang and Okay.

01:01:19.594 --> 01:01:23.764
We drove his 67 Chevelle to Memphis.

01:01:24.123 --> 01:01:29.463
Um, and long story short, we ended up in Ohio.

01:01:29.463 --> 01:01:34.893
He had some family there, and we needed money and they had a job for us in the summer.

01:01:35.704 --> 01:01:35.704
Right.

01:01:35.704 --> 01:01:39.753
And so we worked for, for his family during the summer in Ohio.

01:01:39.753 --> 01:01:43.054
And we were on the other side of the river, of the Ohio River, on the Ohio side.

01:01:43.054 --> 01:01:44.403
And she was on the West Virginia side.

01:01:44.403 --> 01:01:44.943
The Ohio.

01:01:44.949 --> 01:01:45.108
I see.

01:01:45.108 --> 01:01:45.228
I see.

01:01:45.228 --> 01:01:45.429
Mm-hmm.

01:01:45.514 --> 01:01:46.173
So we met through friends.

01:01:46.173 --> 01:01:47.943
You see the shorty across the river?

01:01:47.989 --> 01:01:48.909
Yeah, yeah.

01:01:49.259 --> 01:01:50.108
Something like that.

01:01:50.108 --> 01:01:50.789
Something like that.

01:01:50.789 --> 01:01:50.949
Yeah.

01:01:50.949 --> 01:01:51.389
Something like that.

01:01:52.083 --> 01:01:52.563
Yeah.

01:01:52.773 --> 01:01:53.313
Yeah.

01:01:53.434 --> 01:01:57.003
She, she, she invited me to a hockey game, and then the rest is history.

01:01:57.063 --> 01:01:57.153
Mm-hmm.

01:01:57.393 --> 01:01:58.233
You're like, well, good.

01:01:58.233 --> 01:01:58.833
I don't really have a.

01:01:59.298 --> 01:02:01.039
Place to stay or anything sued.

01:02:01.759 --> 01:02:02.088
Yeah.

01:02:03.409 --> 01:02:04.938
He was like, oh, look how it was.

01:02:04.938 --> 01:02:06.498
I was just a meal ticket.

01:02:06.498 --> 01:02:06.559
Yeah.

01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:12.349
Him and I were, him and I were living in a room on his grandma's double wide trailer.

01:02:13.068 --> 01:02:13.789
That's where we were.

01:02:13.849 --> 01:02:15.409
So, and it was uphill from, from there.

01:02:15.409 --> 01:02:18.643
The first date scenario, it was glamorous and what was, it was uphill from there.

01:02:18.873 --> 01:02:23.539
What was alluring to this, uh, young, uh, wannabe musician.

01:02:25.818 --> 01:02:27.018
He's asking you that question.

01:02:27.018 --> 01:02:27.170
Yeah, yeah.

01:02:27.469 --> 01:02:28.489
Oh, what was alluring to me?

01:02:28.489 --> 01:02:29.208
Yeah.

01:02:29.208 --> 01:02:29.210
Yeah.

01:02:29.268 --> 01:02:29.449
Wow.

01:02:29.449 --> 01:02:30.619
I mean, this has been 20.

01:02:31.264 --> 01:02:32.344
Uh, 30 years ago.

01:02:32.378 --> 01:02:33.018
I think I know the answer.

01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:34.139
I'm sure you still remember it.

01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.034
Uh, I always tell people Josh could dance.

01:02:36.304 --> 01:02:37.353
Oh, he could dance.

01:02:37.353 --> 01:02:37.864
Interesting.

01:02:38.043 --> 01:02:39.378
I grew up in Colorado, so like a two step.

01:02:39.898 --> 01:02:40.264
I like it.

01:02:40.414 --> 01:02:40.713
Yeah.

01:02:40.804 --> 01:02:40.954
Yeah.

01:02:40.954 --> 01:02:43.534
I grew up in Colorado, you know, in the port, so, and he was funny.

01:02:43.653 --> 01:02:44.523
I'm from North Dakota.

01:02:44.523 --> 01:02:46.563
We have two step, the North Dakota, no step there.

01:02:46.923 --> 01:02:48.724
So I just You do a shi shimmy.

01:02:48.994 --> 01:02:49.594
Yeah, shimmy.

01:02:49.594 --> 01:02:50.253
More of a shimmy.

01:02:50.253 --> 01:02:53.344
My feet just stay in the same place and I, I just move other stuff.

01:02:53.884 --> 01:02:54.483
Well, that's cool.

01:02:54.483 --> 01:02:58.143
I wouldn't have guessed you to be a, a good two step Joshua Laport.

01:02:58.204 --> 01:02:58.293
Yeah.

01:02:58.293 --> 01:02:59.554
There's depths to Josh.

01:02:59.559 --> 01:02:59.858
Couldn't.

01:02:59.889 --> 01:03:00.179
Yeah.

01:03:00.179 --> 01:03:00.498
I don't doubt it.

01:03:00.498 --> 01:03:01.739
I don't doubt it, but yeah.

01:03:01.744 --> 01:03:06.423
LaPorte in the late eighties, early nineties, you had to two step, it was just a rules.

01:03:06.483 --> 01:03:07.474
What was the Country Bar?

01:03:07.534 --> 01:03:09.184
Swing Station, Sundance.

01:03:09.184 --> 01:03:09.423
Sance.

01:03:09.813 --> 01:03:10.324
Oh, sure.

01:03:10.329 --> 01:03:11.043
Oh, oh yeah.

01:03:11.043 --> 01:03:11.974
We went dancing at Sun.

01:03:12.123 --> 01:03:12.574
Okay.

01:03:12.693 --> 01:03:13.384
At the Sundance.

01:03:13.384 --> 01:03:20.554
So, so you meet up your, it's summer, you kind of decided the Memphis thing wasn't gonna work out, and then you like talked this girl and then move into mm-hmm.

01:03:20.793 --> 01:03:22.293
Fort Collins with you or something?

01:03:22.414 --> 01:03:23.253
Yeah, ish.

01:03:23.284 --> 01:03:25.563
We dated in Ohio for about a year.

01:03:25.563 --> 01:03:28.173
Then you got homesick and came home and drove a school bus.

01:03:29.224 --> 01:03:30.048
You bought a Schoolie?

01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:30.728
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.273
Rode a school bus to get my CDL.

01:03:33.454 --> 01:03:34.384
Oh, I see, I see.

01:03:34.628 --> 01:03:36.304
He was, I get married and need a real job.

01:03:36.309 --> 01:03:36.784
Right, right.

01:03:36.784 --> 01:03:37.713
So I'm gonna Interesting.

01:03:37.713 --> 01:03:40.023
I like driving stuff and Yeah, running equipment.

01:03:40.023 --> 01:03:43.384
So I've got a CDL and that was the, the easiest way to get into that.

01:03:43.384 --> 01:03:51.094
I went on to drove school bus for a year, but then I drove, uh, Budweiser semi truck for Budweiser.

01:03:51.634 --> 01:03:51.693
Yeah.

01:03:51.693 --> 01:03:53.914
That was my first experience in the beer world up here.

01:03:53.914 --> 01:03:54.123
Yeah.

01:03:54.123 --> 01:03:55.773
Right after we were first married, I, I drove.

01:03:55.773 --> 01:03:56.193
Interesting.

01:03:56.284 --> 01:03:57.003
Drove, um.

01:03:57.393 --> 01:03:57.753
Yeah.

01:03:57.844 --> 01:04:00.514
And delivered Budweiser here in Northern Colorado.

01:04:00.514 --> 01:04:03.273
And what was your circumstance in life at this time, Angie?

01:04:03.273 --> 01:04:04.804
Were you graduated from college?

01:04:04.804 --> 01:04:06.934
Graduated college from, or you were dating this guy from college and then he like, yep.

01:04:07.264 --> 01:04:08.014
Moves away.

01:04:08.014 --> 01:04:08.943
Were you heartbroken?

01:04:08.949 --> 01:04:09.278
He moves away.

01:04:09.278 --> 01:04:12.393
Well, he moves away, then he comes back to visit and we get engaged.

01:04:12.543 --> 01:04:12.574
Oh.

01:04:12.574 --> 01:04:17.074
So then, then I made the, the decision to move here.

01:04:17.193 --> 01:04:17.373
I see.

01:04:17.373 --> 01:04:18.153
To Fort Collins.

01:04:18.153 --> 01:04:19.954
I brought along my little brother.

01:04:20.014 --> 01:04:21.514
Um, he, he moved with me.

01:04:21.514 --> 01:04:22.713
He was 18 at the time.

01:04:22.773 --> 01:04:23.043
Yeah.

01:04:23.164 --> 01:04:28.054
Um, and yeah, we just, uh, we drove, Josh flew out, we drove us across country.

01:04:28.108 --> 01:04:28.398
Yeah.

01:04:28.398 --> 01:04:28.400
Yeah.

01:04:28.414 --> 01:04:33.603
Um, and then my first job was for, um, well, was waitressing and then my.

01:04:33.864 --> 01:04:42.324
Uh, and then I got a freelance job for a little now, defunct newspaper, which is, uh, uh, the Bullhorn or Spec Forum?

01:04:42.324 --> 01:04:42.949
The C forum Forum.

01:04:42.949 --> 01:04:43.268
Forum.

01:04:43.268 --> 01:04:43.429
Okay.

01:04:43.429 --> 01:04:44.789
Yeah, I wasn't familiar with that one.

01:04:44.793 --> 01:04:45.143
Yeah.

01:04:45.173 --> 01:04:48.414
So that was, it was around for maybe two, three years.

01:04:48.503 --> 01:04:48.534
Okay.

01:04:49.043 --> 01:04:56.364
Um, and then I, ironically, I had, uh, started freelancing for NOCO Style way before I ever Wow.

01:04:56.454 --> 01:04:58.134
Um, became editor there.

01:04:58.139 --> 01:04:58.309
Yeah.

01:04:58.309 --> 01:04:58.469
Yeah.

01:04:58.489 --> 01:05:06.503
But yeah, so we, I freelanced for those two, um, and then waited tables, and then I worked for a So you were just kinda stringing it together with Oh, yeah.

01:05:06.503 --> 01:05:07.583
Some freelancing here.

01:05:07.583 --> 01:05:07.673
Mm-hmm.

01:05:07.673 --> 01:05:09.653
Some weight tables there, stuff like that.

01:05:09.954 --> 01:05:13.643
Uh, I worked for a interior plant company, so I watered people's plants.

01:05:13.793 --> 01:05:13.824
Mm.

01:05:13.824 --> 01:05:14.724
That was actually fun.

01:05:14.728 --> 01:05:15.829
I'm sure you're pretty good at that too.

01:05:15.989 --> 01:05:16.884
You're very friendly.

01:05:17.018 --> 01:05:17.309
Yeah.

01:05:17.313 --> 01:05:17.574
Yeah.

01:05:17.574 --> 01:05:20.094
Then I ran the company for him for a little while, so I Oh, wow.

01:05:20.449 --> 01:05:22.458
I did kind of move up in that.

01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:25.398
Um, so I guess I was kind of setting the stage for Yeah.

01:05:25.668 --> 01:05:27.313
Running a company later, but yeah.

01:05:27.313 --> 01:05:27.594
Yeah.

01:05:27.594 --> 01:05:27.793
Mm-hmm.

01:05:27.873 --> 01:05:28.233
I dig it.

01:05:28.338 --> 01:05:28.728
Yeah.

01:05:28.818 --> 01:05:31.369
Can you ever imagine yourself running more than one business?

01:05:31.458 --> 01:05:32.119
Yes.

01:05:32.123 --> 01:05:32.989
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:32.989 --> 01:05:34.728
I would have a retail business.

01:05:34.938 --> 01:05:35.088
Okay.

01:05:35.268 --> 01:05:37.909
And a steak place and like a steakhouse.

01:05:37.909 --> 01:05:38.179
Yeah.

01:05:38.208 --> 01:05:38.748
Okay.

01:05:39.349 --> 01:05:40.713
I mean, you know, dig it.

01:05:40.938 --> 01:05:41.929
We talk about these things.

01:05:41.989 --> 01:05:43.034
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:43.063 --> 01:05:43.353
Yeah.

01:05:43.518 --> 01:05:47.628
So importing, exporting, I dunno, you know, it's hard to All the things Yeah.

01:05:47.688 --> 01:05:50.028
Contain brain, A slice off of your father.

01:05:50.449 --> 01:05:51.289
Significant measure.

01:05:51.289 --> 01:05:51.349
Yeah.

01:05:51.349 --> 01:05:54.018
I have to, I have to be the reel it in voice of reason sometimes.

01:05:54.018 --> 01:05:54.588
Yeah.

01:05:54.588 --> 01:05:54.590
Yeah.

01:05:54.798 --> 01:05:56.208
With what time will we do that?

01:05:57.139 --> 01:05:58.849
Josh is the voice of No.

01:05:59.179 --> 01:06:01.579
And then maybe, and then finally.

01:06:01.579 --> 01:06:01.998
Okay.

01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:07.728
So sometimes, yeah, sometimes I dig it, sometimes she convinces me.

01:06:07.728 --> 01:06:08.958
Makes a, makes a good argument.

01:06:08.989 --> 01:06:09.679
Yeah.

01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:09.679
Okay.

01:06:09.684 --> 01:06:11.478
Well I could, well, here you are, right?

01:06:11.478 --> 01:06:14.838
Like you could still be doing it hardware stuff for a small company.

01:06:15.259 --> 01:06:15.528
Yeah.

01:06:15.858 --> 01:06:19.518
I mean, you know, so goes working 30 hours a week and.

01:06:19.869 --> 01:06:20.648
Playing golf.

01:06:20.949 --> 01:06:21.099
Yeah.

01:06:21.099 --> 01:06:21.938
He could be doing that.

01:06:21.938 --> 01:06:25.809
But during the day, Frisbee golf, I don't miss that at all.

01:06:27.909 --> 01:06:32.528
You just need to get so good at your, your job that you don't have fires anymore.

01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:32.619
Yeah.

01:06:32.619 --> 01:06:34.989
And then you can kind of screw around after 2:00 PM every day.

01:06:34.989 --> 01:06:36.699
No, but seriously, he still works it in.

01:06:36.818 --> 01:06:37.208
Don't worry.

01:06:37.208 --> 01:06:37.599
Seriously.

01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:38.798
I would, I wouldn't trade it.

01:06:39.009 --> 01:06:40.659
I'm all joking aside, we trade it.

01:06:40.869 --> 01:06:41.199
That's cool.

01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:41.648
For that.

01:06:41.648 --> 01:06:42.789
I mean, yeah.

01:06:42.789 --> 01:06:43.539
I just love beer.

01:06:43.568 --> 01:06:43.853
It's been fun.

01:06:43.853 --> 01:06:45.458
It's a fun industry and we love it.

01:06:45.548 --> 01:06:48.639
I mean it's, you know, that I love, I didn't love it.

01:06:49.838 --> 01:06:52.028
It was easy for me.

01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:52.449
Yeah.

01:06:52.449 --> 01:06:52.989
In the end.

01:06:52.989 --> 01:06:54.548
But I didn't love it.

01:06:55.449 --> 01:06:58.539
But you know the saying, you do do what you love.

01:06:58.539 --> 01:06:59.349
You never work a day.

01:06:59.648 --> 01:07:00.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:01.659 --> 01:07:03.068
Well that's sort of true.

01:07:04.418 --> 01:07:05.228
You still have to work.

01:07:05.228 --> 01:07:05.233
You still have to work.

01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:05.619
Yeah.

01:07:05.619 --> 01:07:06.534
To keep loving it.

01:07:07.233 --> 01:07:07.534
For sure.

01:07:07.534 --> 01:07:07.813
Keep loving.

01:07:07.898 --> 01:07:08.349
Yeah.

01:07:08.438 --> 01:07:12.489
So, um, if you guys were talking to somebody.

01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.168
Um, either or both.

01:07:15.168 --> 01:07:15.259
Mm-hmm.

01:07:15.349 --> 01:07:18.083
Uh, that's like an entrepreneurial spirit, like Yeah.

01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:19.608
Like you were Angie.

01:07:19.668 --> 01:07:19.759
Mm-hmm.

01:07:19.789 --> 01:07:24.469
Um, or maybe let's, let's talk to younger versions of yourself, but not you.

01:07:24.474 --> 01:07:24.764
Mm-hmm.

01:07:24.903 --> 01:07:32.088
You know, imagine those 17 or 20 or 24 year olds that are either itching to be an entrepreneur mm-hmm.

01:07:32.483 --> 01:07:35.989
And get into business or reluctant mm-hmm.

01:07:36.318 --> 01:07:40.699
To take on that kind of, uh, responsibility maybe, uh, like what would you say?

01:07:40.699 --> 01:07:41.809
And I'll start with you, Angie.

01:07:42.289 --> 01:07:42.349
Oh.

01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:50.088
I would say, um, know that it's gonna be hard work, uh, but if know what fulfills you, I guess.

01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:50.208
Mm-hmm.

01:07:50.213 --> 01:07:50.364
You know?

01:07:50.563 --> 01:07:50.844
Mm-hmm.

01:07:50.929 --> 01:07:53.119
If, if it's money that fulfills you.

01:07:53.989 --> 01:07:56.443
You gotta have the, you might want to go to Facebook and Exactly.

01:07:56.443 --> 01:07:57.804
Have corporate somewhere or something.

01:07:57.804 --> 01:07:59.958
You have to be super smart and Yeah.

01:08:00.259 --> 01:08:05.298
And come up with a rocket ship that just launches you, otherwise know what fulfills you.

01:08:05.298 --> 01:08:11.838
And if it's, you know, creating something and, um, building a, a home for 20 some employees that, yeah.

01:08:12.648 --> 01:08:16.279
That, uh, enjoy being around you and you enjoy being around them.

01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.519
If that, you know, is fulfilling to you, then go for it.

01:08:19.519 --> 01:08:24.444
But, you know, if you wanna flash in the pan, then you gotta be, if you're looking for the easy way.

01:08:24.474 --> 01:08:24.764
Yeah.

01:08:24.764 --> 01:08:24.963
Yeah.

01:08:25.194 --> 01:08:25.804
This isn't it.

01:08:25.944 --> 01:08:26.163
No.

01:08:26.184 --> 01:08:26.604
Mm-hmm.

01:08:26.663 --> 01:08:27.083
Mm-hmm.

01:08:27.434 --> 01:08:34.609
Josh, what would you share with, uh, maybe that more, uh, risk averse spouse?

01:08:37.309 --> 01:08:38.899
Uh, I mean, have a vision.

01:08:39.738 --> 01:08:42.828
Agree on your vision and go for it.

01:08:42.984 --> 01:08:43.404
Mm-hmm.

01:08:43.484 --> 01:08:46.788
But don't, don't, and stay true to that vision.

01:08:46.819 --> 01:08:46.998
Yeah.

01:08:47.059 --> 01:08:49.519
I mean, have that stay in that tunnel.

01:08:50.043 --> 01:08:53.283
Of that vision, but be willing to make changes as you need.

01:08:53.434 --> 01:08:53.734
Yeah.

01:08:53.738 --> 01:08:53.748
Yeah.

01:08:54.033 --> 01:09:07.323
Um, you know, and I, I tell people, I've been on lots of seminars about, you know, with brewery, uh, wannabe owners, um, have that vision, but ultimately your customers, your clients are gonna make you change.

01:09:07.623 --> 01:09:07.804
Hmm.

01:09:07.833 --> 01:09:08.974
Be willing to change.

01:09:09.033 --> 01:09:09.154
Yeah.

01:09:09.213 --> 01:09:09.814
For them.

01:09:10.384 --> 01:09:14.043
You might have a vision of what that's gonna be, and you're gonna do this and you're gonna do that.

01:09:14.073 --> 01:09:16.743
Well stay within that framework, inside of that tunnel.

01:09:17.134 --> 01:09:23.253
Just widen that tunnel, um, and let your customers decide where that tunnel Yeah.

01:09:23.253 --> 01:09:23.493
Marketplace is goes Yeah.

01:09:23.493 --> 01:09:23.764
Mr.

01:09:23.764 --> 01:09:26.944
Market is, uh, don't, and be open to learning.

01:09:27.003 --> 01:09:27.274
Yeah.

01:09:27.274 --> 01:09:29.913
Be open to learning and, and take care of your people.

01:09:30.139 --> 01:09:30.429
Yeah.

01:09:30.434 --> 01:09:30.663
Yeah.

01:09:30.663 --> 01:09:31.953
You gotta take care of your people.

01:09:32.163 --> 01:09:33.753
I mean, hire good people.

01:09:33.993 --> 01:09:35.163
It doesn't always work out.

01:09:35.884 --> 01:09:37.413
Sometimes you miss Yeah.

01:09:37.413 --> 01:09:42.003
Sometimes you swing and you miss hard and you wanna call it anybody by naming that.

01:09:42.064 --> 01:09:42.573
Yeah.

01:09:42.844 --> 01:09:45.154
No, but, but it happens that, that's.

01:09:45.498 --> 01:09:45.679
Yeah.

01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:46.788
Everybody goes through that.

01:09:46.819 --> 01:09:50.149
It's, it's not unusual, um Yeah.

01:09:50.149 --> 01:09:53.448
To take care of the people that are taking care of you, you know, hire.

01:09:53.509 --> 01:09:56.088
I always tell people, I try to hire people that are smarter than me.

01:09:56.838 --> 01:09:57.738
That's not hard to do.

01:09:58.548 --> 01:09:59.208
Harder end.

01:10:00.168 --> 01:10:00.498
Yeah.

01:10:00.498 --> 01:10:02.988
It's way harder for her, easy for me.

01:10:03.259 --> 01:10:06.469
Um, hire people that are smarter than you and then take care of them.

01:10:06.588 --> 01:10:06.889
Yeah.

01:10:07.069 --> 01:10:07.788
And learn from them.

01:10:07.878 --> 01:10:08.538
I agree with that.

01:10:08.838 --> 01:10:09.078
Mm-hmm.

01:10:09.288 --> 01:10:11.298
Um, you saw me grab the fishbowl here.

01:10:11.298 --> 01:10:11.359
Yeah.

01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:15.679
Because it's time for the random questions and we didn't talk about it before you guys came in, but mm-hmm.

01:10:15.708 --> 01:10:19.368
Um, usually we do like a$25 gift card giveaway mm-hmm.

01:10:19.368 --> 01:10:20.389
Or something to a winner.

01:10:20.569 --> 01:10:20.658
Mm-hmm.

01:10:20.899 --> 01:10:25.099
And that person writes us with the answer to one of these off the wall questions.

01:10:25.099 --> 01:10:25.189
Mm-hmm.

01:10:25.788 --> 01:10:29.748
So I'm gonna say, let's do two questions each.

01:10:29.748 --> 01:10:32.359
We usually do three questions for one person, but Okay.

01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:33.259
I don't wanna leave us short.

01:10:33.259 --> 01:10:35.059
So, Josh, grab two balls out of that kit.

01:10:36.349 --> 01:10:38.599
I'll tell you the questions after.

01:10:38.988 --> 01:10:43.128
And Angie grab two good numbers.

01:10:44.314 --> 01:10:45.993
And who wants to start?

01:10:46.743 --> 01:10:47.134
Three?

01:10:47.404 --> 01:10:47.884
Three.

01:10:49.894 --> 01:10:54.783
How do you approach work life balance or integration or however you'd put it?

01:10:55.474 --> 01:11:04.413
Uh, my approach is that it's very important and in fact, we tell, you know, new hires all the time and, and we practice what we preach.

01:11:04.474 --> 01:11:11.854
Their work life balance is very important to us, and there are more, more important things to us than work.

01:11:12.423 --> 01:11:24.243
Um, there's definitely more important things to us than there is, you know, work and business and money and relationships are more important than that.

01:11:25.203 --> 01:11:25.654
Fair enough?

01:11:26.073 --> 01:11:26.163
Mm-hmm.

01:11:26.404 --> 01:11:26.524
Okay.

01:11:27.304 --> 01:11:29.854
Um, Angie, what number would you like to start with?

01:11:30.514 --> 01:11:31.264
14.

01:11:31.264 --> 01:11:31.444
14.

01:11:32.764 --> 01:11:36.394
What's the biggest mistake you've ever made in your business?

01:11:37.264 --> 01:11:37.623
Oh, God.

01:11:37.623 --> 01:11:38.163
That you're aware of.

01:11:38.944 --> 01:11:39.573
Um.

01:11:40.698 --> 01:11:51.649
I think sometimes because I am a person who trusts my gut and um, is, makes decisions, um, without a lot of hesitation.

01:11:51.828 --> 01:11:52.158
Yeah.

01:11:52.309 --> 01:11:56.719
Uh, sometimes I could have spent a little bit more time.

01:11:57.259 --> 01:11:57.408
Yeah.

01:11:57.469 --> 01:12:01.189
Um, looking at the details and doing the homework on it, so.

01:12:01.458 --> 01:12:01.519
Okay.

01:12:01.578 --> 01:12:05.238
Um, don't be as impulsive as I can be all the time.

01:12:06.288 --> 01:12:07.849
Would you like to add some color to that, Josh?

01:12:09.293 --> 01:12:09.514
No.

01:12:09.774 --> 01:12:09.993
No?

01:12:09.993 --> 01:12:10.234
Okay.

01:12:10.234 --> 01:12:10.514
Alright.

01:12:11.238 --> 01:12:15.378
That was kind of, but I'm gonna hold off going for honesty here.

01:12:16.639 --> 01:12:17.838
Josh, what's your other number?

01:12:17.838 --> 01:12:18.378
21.

01:12:18.979 --> 01:12:19.729
21.

01:12:20.389 --> 01:12:20.748
Oh.

01:12:20.748 --> 01:12:21.408
This is a fun one.

01:12:21.408 --> 01:12:22.759
What's your death row meal?

01:12:23.988 --> 01:12:25.038
Death row meal.

01:12:25.069 --> 01:12:27.708
Like you're getting executed at midnight tonight.

01:12:28.264 --> 01:12:30.094
Yeah, 6:00 PM rolls around.

01:12:30.394 --> 01:12:35.283
You can have as many courses, as many options, whatever you want, but it's happening.

01:12:36.033 --> 01:12:36.724
Well, yeah.

01:12:36.783 --> 01:12:39.694
Seven course meal, at least head to lettuce.

01:12:39.694 --> 01:12:40.024
11.

01:12:40.444 --> 01:12:41.014
Yeah, head to lettuce.

01:12:41.014 --> 01:12:41.854
And a six pack.

01:12:45.333 --> 01:12:46.533
Not even a mixed six pack.

01:12:46.654 --> 01:12:47.583
We just gotta go straight.

01:12:47.583 --> 01:12:50.163
IPA mixed.

01:12:50.163 --> 01:12:50.373
Yeah.

01:12:50.373 --> 01:12:51.904
I'll just go, eh, mixed pack.

01:12:51.904 --> 01:12:51.963
Yeah.

01:12:52.413 --> 01:12:53.404
Six pack of anything.

01:12:53.404 --> 01:12:53.613
Yeah.

01:12:54.274 --> 01:12:55.354
So seven course meal.

01:12:55.923 --> 01:12:55.953
Uhhuh.

01:12:55.953 --> 01:12:56.344
All right.

01:12:56.463 --> 01:13:00.213
Head lettuce, six pack, you know, so it's not too light.

01:13:00.213 --> 01:13:01.564
So I can drink that whole six pack.

01:13:01.564 --> 01:13:04.863
And you might want to get a 12 pack.

01:13:04.863 --> 01:13:07.533
I mean, you got six hours to kill and you're gonna get killed at the other, I guess, so.

01:13:07.923 --> 01:13:09.663
I'm pretty sure six wouldn't be enough for me.

01:13:10.203 --> 01:13:12.033
Those are a 13 course meal there.

01:13:12.514 --> 01:13:13.354
Yes, we could do that.

01:13:13.908 --> 01:13:16.384
Okay, Angie?

01:13:17.043 --> 01:13:17.679
Uh, 25.

01:13:17.679 --> 01:13:18.003
25.

01:13:20.344 --> 01:13:24.213
What's one thing on your bucket list that you're determined to accomplish?

01:13:24.394 --> 01:13:24.904
Oh.

01:13:25.594 --> 01:13:32.314
Well, um, I would like to, um, purchase a property in Italy and live there.

01:13:32.314 --> 01:13:32.344
Oh.

01:13:32.793 --> 01:13:35.373
At least, uh, semi-retire there eventually.

01:13:35.373 --> 01:13:36.484
So I, I like it.

01:13:36.844 --> 01:13:42.274
I'm pretty determined to drag Josh kicking and screaming for a few months at a time.

01:13:42.274 --> 01:13:42.543
Yep.

01:13:42.783 --> 01:13:43.894
Maybe in a brewery in Italy.

01:13:43.894 --> 01:13:45.844
Yeah, I would in a heartbeat.

01:13:45.844 --> 01:13:47.974
And he could fly back and forth easy on a, in a heartbeat.

01:13:47.974 --> 01:13:54.333
A little, uh, working farm where he puts around and makes beers and maybe dabbles in wine and.

01:13:54.859 --> 01:13:59.479
I, uh, it'll still be taken a little chicken or something.

01:13:59.479 --> 01:13:59.658
Yeah.

01:14:00.349 --> 01:14:05.418
Turn the barn into an Airbnb beer about wine, but I mean, the driving around in a golf cart sounds awesome.

01:14:05.448 --> 01:14:05.509
Yeah.

01:14:05.509 --> 01:14:06.559
So why Italy?

01:14:06.618 --> 01:14:11.569
Uh, I've heard, you know, you visiting there, but are you your family from there or you've been there before?

01:14:12.198 --> 01:14:13.248
I guess Italian by heritage.

01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:13.399
Okay.

01:14:13.458 --> 01:14:19.609
Um, my family, uh, there's five of us that are, are working on our dual citizenship, so Oh, wow.

01:14:19.819 --> 01:14:21.139
I'm hoping to have it, I wait, have a passport.

01:14:21.168 --> 01:14:21.469
Yeah.

01:14:21.469 --> 01:14:23.509
An Italian passport in the next year or so.

01:14:23.509 --> 01:14:23.868
Oh wow.

01:14:24.019 --> 01:14:29.658
So, um, and then, um, two of my siblings are relocating permanently to Italy, so.

01:14:29.658 --> 01:14:29.719
Wow.

01:14:29.719 --> 01:14:33.798
You know, so it feels like a place I could And what part of Italy, if I may?

01:14:33.859 --> 01:14:36.859
Um, one of them's in Genoa and the other one's in Sardinia.

01:14:37.009 --> 01:14:37.189
Okay.

01:14:37.189 --> 01:14:39.769
So not even in the same space, but Yeah.

01:14:39.769 --> 01:14:39.770
Yeah, yeah.

01:14:39.775 --> 01:14:40.189
Interesting.

01:14:40.338 --> 01:14:43.368
Um, my, uh, my wife and I are taking in our, uh.

01:14:44.014 --> 01:14:46.623
I think our 13th Exchange student in the fall.

01:14:46.684 --> 01:14:46.774
Ah, yeah.

01:14:46.859 --> 01:14:47.139
Mm-hmm.

01:14:47.224 --> 01:14:51.873
And it's the little sister of a young man we had with us like three years ago.

01:14:51.878 --> 01:14:52.059
Mm-hmm.

01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:54.573
Um, and they live in Ravenna?

01:14:54.753 --> 01:14:55.323
Oh yeah.

01:14:55.384 --> 01:15:02.958
Oh, Uhhuh just south of, uh, it's on like an hour south of, uh, what's the flooded town up there?

01:15:02.958 --> 01:15:04.939
V um, Venice.

01:15:04.939 --> 01:15:05.338
Venice.

01:15:05.338 --> 01:15:05.340
Venice.

01:15:05.345 --> 01:15:05.859
Oh yeah.

01:15:05.859 --> 01:15:06.859
They're like an hour south of Venice.

01:15:06.859 --> 01:15:07.140
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:15:07.413 --> 01:15:07.623
Okay.

01:15:07.623 --> 01:15:07.923
Ish.

01:15:08.014 --> 01:15:08.493
Yeah.

01:15:08.639 --> 01:15:09.658
So, uh, mm-hmm.

01:15:09.738 --> 01:15:09.899
Yeah.

01:15:09.993 --> 01:15:11.073
We're excited to go visit them someday.

01:15:11.073 --> 01:15:11.344
Yeah.

01:15:11.434 --> 01:15:18.783
But, uh, I feel like the Italian culture is the exact opposite of my nature, and so I, uh, yearn for it.

01:15:19.144 --> 01:15:19.474
Yeah.

01:15:19.503 --> 01:15:23.283
You know, very considered, very, um, easygoing.

01:15:23.798 --> 01:15:24.139
Not, yeah.

01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:26.524
You not rushing around all the time.

01:15:26.613 --> 01:15:31.113
It's interesting, you're, you're like an Appalachian girl a little bit almost in West Virginia.

01:15:31.118 --> 01:15:31.378
Mm-hmm.

01:15:31.458 --> 01:15:32.779
But you're Italian and there wasn't mm-hmm.

01:15:32.889 --> 01:15:34.618
That many Italians to move out there.

01:15:34.923 --> 01:15:34.953
Mm.

01:15:34.953 --> 01:15:35.974
And you're.

01:15:36.378 --> 01:15:40.753
Very likely Scotch iris, it seems like, uh, which is what the Appalachians German are?

01:15:40.753 --> 01:15:40.913
German Irish.

01:15:40.939 --> 01:15:41.569
German, Iris.

01:15:41.573 --> 01:15:41.673
Mm-hmm.

01:15:41.759 --> 01:15:41.838
Okay.

01:15:41.838 --> 01:15:42.798
Same difference kind of.

01:15:42.798 --> 01:15:43.038
Yeah.

01:15:43.099 --> 01:15:43.578
Pretty much.

01:15:43.578 --> 01:15:43.639
Yeah.

01:15:43.774 --> 01:15:49.429
But the, like, your, your, your area of origin is filled with people like Josh.

01:15:49.434 --> 01:15:49.673
Mm-hmm.

01:15:50.423 --> 01:15:50.913
Exactly.

01:15:51.024 --> 01:15:51.314
Yeah.

01:15:51.314 --> 01:15:51.474
Yeah.

01:15:51.979 --> 01:15:53.179
So anyway, I digress.

01:15:53.208 --> 01:15:53.448
Yeah.

01:15:54.828 --> 01:15:57.588
So anyway, big picture observations.

01:15:57.594 --> 01:15:57.833
Mm-hmm.

01:15:58.173 --> 01:16:03.708
So let's do, um, let's do current events.

01:16:04.248 --> 01:16:04.279
Okay.

01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:05.899
Figure out what do you wanna do about current events?

01:16:06.979 --> 01:16:08.599
Oh, anything new in the world right now?

01:16:08.599 --> 01:16:11.538
Today is March 25, 26.

01:16:13.338 --> 01:16:13.993
Oh, gosh.

01:16:14.064 --> 01:16:14.354
Yeah.

01:16:14.514 --> 01:16:17.899
I mean, you know, in our business, the tariffs are concerned.

01:16:17.899 --> 01:16:18.594
Yeah, I wondered about that.

01:16:18.753 --> 01:16:19.668
I mean, yeah.

01:16:19.729 --> 01:16:22.368
You know, we're, we're gonna see where, which would be, that kind of goes what?

01:16:22.368 --> 01:16:24.859
Not hops, grain cans.

01:16:24.859 --> 01:16:25.338
Aluminum.

01:16:25.338 --> 01:16:26.194
Aluminum, aluminum.

01:16:26.509 --> 01:16:28.429
It can affect all of those things.

01:16:28.429 --> 01:16:30.529
I mean, there's, there's a considerable.

01:16:31.009 --> 01:16:32.988
Amount of grain that comes from Canada.

01:16:33.054 --> 01:16:33.274
Mm.

01:16:33.274 --> 01:16:33.274
Mm-hmm.

01:16:33.918 --> 01:16:34.158
Sure.

01:16:34.158 --> 01:16:36.859
Um, it could affect that, but it's metal.

01:16:36.934 --> 01:16:37.354
Mm-hmm.

01:16:37.434 --> 01:16:37.435
Yeah.

01:16:37.849 --> 01:16:40.038
I mean, there's a lot of metal in our industry.

01:16:40.158 --> 01:16:41.538
Aluminum, stainless.

01:16:41.838 --> 01:16:42.078
Yep.

01:16:42.198 --> 01:16:44.208
Um, a lot coming from overseas.

01:16:44.208 --> 01:16:46.939
So we'll see where that is.

01:16:47.029 --> 01:16:49.039
You know, I mean, we, I can take those balls back if you want.

01:16:49.045 --> 01:16:49.729
Yeah, sure.

01:16:51.798 --> 01:16:54.019
Time with the balls on camera, so, yeah.

01:16:54.019 --> 01:16:57.019
I mean, we, you know, there's, there's just, there's just metal.

01:16:57.259 --> 01:16:57.649
Yeah.

01:16:57.948 --> 01:16:58.219
Yeah.

01:16:58.219 --> 01:17:05.149
In industry, well, in any stainless of steel if you want to add onto your brew system or whatever, that's all mostly outsourced now.

01:17:05.298 --> 01:17:05.389
Mm-hmm.

01:17:05.838 --> 01:17:06.168
Yeah.

01:17:06.168 --> 01:17:12.439
So just kind of seeing where that is and, you know, a lot of small breweries don't have buying power.

01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.048
It's not like we can stock up for a year.

01:17:15.198 --> 01:17:15.713
Right, right.

01:17:15.798 --> 01:17:22.488
Um, I know I've heard some large breweries that are buying right now to stock up for at least six months.

01:17:22.519 --> 01:17:22.819
Interesting.

01:17:22.819 --> 01:17:24.469
Going just at least cans and other stuff.

01:17:24.529 --> 01:17:24.769
Yeah.

01:17:24.798 --> 01:17:27.349
Um, and, and, you know.

01:17:27.889 --> 01:17:33.979
For us, and we talk about a lot in our, our industry, like when do we price people out of beer?

01:17:33.984 --> 01:17:34.304
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:34.309 --> 01:17:34.429
Yeah.

01:17:34.458 --> 01:17:36.168
How high can a pint be?

01:17:36.798 --> 01:17:38.269
I feel like we're real close.

01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:40.184
I mean, how much It feels like it's getting closer, you know?

01:17:40.184 --> 01:17:40.423
Mm-hmm.

01:17:40.668 --> 01:17:43.969
You gotta pay 10,$12 for a pint of pilsner.

01:17:44.719 --> 01:17:44.779
Yeah.

01:17:44.809 --> 01:17:45.559
Probably not.

01:17:45.618 --> 01:17:45.918
Yeah.

01:17:45.918 --> 01:17:46.969
You know, price people out.

01:17:47.208 --> 01:17:55.849
And we're, we're right now at that edge of if things get more expensive, much more expensive, then we will be at that.

01:17:56.838 --> 01:18:01.069
Point where people are gonna go,$10 is too much for Yeah.

01:18:01.069 --> 01:18:01.668
A pilsner.

01:18:01.729 --> 01:18:01.969
Yeah.

01:18:02.029 --> 01:18:05.838
So that's, and that could affect it, you know, the, the, the and stuff.

01:18:05.838 --> 01:18:09.439
So in people's minds, at least, it's supposed to be a more affordable option than a glass of wine.

01:18:09.498 --> 01:18:09.769
Yes.

01:18:09.798 --> 01:18:10.009
Correct.

01:18:10.009 --> 01:18:11.538
And if that changes, then it's tough.

01:18:11.543 --> 01:18:11.554
Yeah.

01:18:11.929 --> 01:18:12.168
Yeah.

01:18:12.168 --> 01:18:15.344
Because then you figure out, you know, you can figure out the price of an ounce of, of mm-hmm.

01:18:15.429 --> 01:18:15.859
For sure.

01:18:15.859 --> 01:18:17.423
Per, for bourbon, per alcohol, whatever.

01:18:17.423 --> 01:18:17.663
Beer.

01:18:17.663 --> 01:18:19.099
Beer or whatever alcohol that is.

01:18:19.099 --> 01:18:22.908
And then you start going, yeah, I'm paying a lot per ounce.

01:18:23.748 --> 01:18:25.069
Can I afford to do this?

01:18:25.099 --> 01:18:25.158
Yeah.

01:18:25.163 --> 01:18:25.224
Yeah.

01:18:25.488 --> 01:18:27.559
'cause groceries are up and everything else is up.

01:18:27.564 --> 01:18:27.823
Mm-hmm.

01:18:27.904 --> 01:18:34.578
And so, you know, it's, uh, it, it's just kind of a wait and see for us as a small brewery.

01:18:34.578 --> 01:18:34.908
Fair enough.

01:18:34.963 --> 01:18:40.844
Were you guys, I guess you were not far from Detroit, so that was probably a normal thing when you first met there, Ohio and actually no.

01:18:41.113 --> 01:18:41.323
No.

01:18:41.323 --> 01:18:42.104
They don't do that there.

01:18:42.104 --> 01:18:42.104
No.

01:18:42.104 --> 01:18:42.105
Mm-hmm.

01:18:42.163 --> 01:18:49.724
No, I, in fact, I feel like I never had heard of it before until, um, the last maybe three or four years.

01:18:49.814 --> 01:18:50.144
Okay.

01:18:50.144 --> 01:18:50.654
So yeah.

01:18:50.743 --> 01:18:52.368
But it just seems kind of blow.

01:18:52.368 --> 01:18:55.033
You were traveling, saw, you're like, huh, this is an easy way to make pizza.

01:18:55.094 --> 01:18:55.184
Mm-hmm.

01:18:55.208 --> 01:18:55.368
Yeah.

01:18:55.543 --> 01:18:57.373
I mean, honestly with the equipment mm-hmm.

01:18:57.613 --> 01:19:03.529
It's, it's both delicious and you get to use those little quarter pans or whatever and it just like goes through the machine and it's just easy.

01:19:04.033 --> 01:19:08.865
And the kitchen that came with our space is not huge, so it really dictated what we could do with it.

01:19:08.871 --> 01:19:09.009
Yeah.

01:19:09.073 --> 01:19:09.913
No fryer, right?

01:19:09.913 --> 01:19:11.833
No fryer makes a difference.

01:19:12.023 --> 01:19:16.743
I think, uh, it's time to go into our closing segment, the Loco experience.

01:19:17.073 --> 01:19:23.162
Ah, uh, and that's the craziest experience of your life, either individual or together.

01:20:06.501 --> 01:20:12.347
Uh, I don't know if you wanna do a, do you have a shared crazy experience or would you like to do individual?

01:20:12.347 --> 01:20:15.347
We could have a contest of who's got the crazier, craziest experience.

01:20:15.347 --> 01:20:16.787
It's not opening a new business.

01:20:17.957 --> 01:20:19.278
It might be your craziest experience.

01:20:19.278 --> 01:20:23.747
Um, I dunno, say something a little more momentary or short term travel.

01:20:23.747 --> 01:20:25.488
I feel like our lives are pretty.

01:20:26.238 --> 01:20:26.688
Calm.

01:20:26.747 --> 01:20:26.807
Yeah.

01:20:26.927 --> 01:20:28.818
But, um, I don't know.

01:20:28.818 --> 01:20:37.007
We had a rental property that, um, a unfortunately a drunk person ran through our back fence.

01:20:37.307 --> 01:20:37.427
Okay.

01:20:37.427 --> 01:20:38.837
Into our kitchen.

01:20:38.842 --> 01:20:40.698
Kitchen and lodge their car into our kitchen.

01:20:40.698 --> 01:20:42.738
That was a crazy experience.

01:20:42.738 --> 01:20:47.747
I think they came through your back fence across your backyard and lodge the car into the kitchen in the middle of winter.

01:20:47.747 --> 01:20:50.177
Our renters had to call us in the middle of the night.

01:20:50.177 --> 01:20:50.297
Oh, dang.

01:20:50.297 --> 01:20:52.787
And say, Hey, um, there's a car in the kitchen.

01:20:53.957 --> 01:20:55.307
That was a crazy, pretty crazy experience.

01:20:55.307 --> 01:20:58.547
What about the, what, what was the one in Portugal?

01:20:58.547 --> 01:20:59.297
The where we.

01:20:59.943 --> 01:21:03.363
Did the sleds where the guys drove you down on the street sleds?

01:21:03.393 --> 01:21:05.728
We did through Toboggans traffic.

01:21:05.877 --> 01:21:07.382
Toboggans in Madeira.

01:21:07.387 --> 01:21:07.488
Okay.

01:21:07.557 --> 01:21:08.047
Madeira.

01:21:08.132 --> 01:21:08.552
That's right.

01:21:08.552 --> 01:21:08.792
Made Island.

01:21:08.823 --> 01:21:13.353
And you, you hop on and you have a, a guy that hops on with you.

01:21:13.353 --> 01:21:15.483
So it's Josh and I in the, in the toboggan.

01:21:15.483 --> 01:21:18.123
And him, he's behind and he's on the street.

01:21:18.123 --> 01:21:18.408
Us on the street.

01:21:18.408 --> 01:21:20.882
This is on snow or anything like, or ice or anything.

01:21:21.033 --> 01:21:22.592
And he's going stone, steep hills.

01:21:22.622 --> 01:21:22.983
Yes.

01:21:23.252 --> 01:21:28.533
Really shooting downhill at like this Tobo is like steel on on concrete.

01:21:28.563 --> 01:21:28.712
Yes.

01:21:28.712 --> 01:21:31.082
And they have these shoes that they wear out rather.

01:21:31.233 --> 01:21:31.922
Oh no shit.

01:21:31.922 --> 01:21:33.542
And they just put their feet down.

01:21:33.872 --> 01:21:34.052
Yeah.

01:21:34.052 --> 01:21:37.743
And they steer you through traffic and around corners.

01:21:37.832 --> 01:21:38.193
Blind.

01:21:38.193 --> 01:21:38.733
Corners down.

01:21:38.733 --> 01:21:41.967
But there's no way to really stop you to speak of No, there's no, no.

01:21:42.962 --> 01:21:43.386
With their feet put feet down.

01:21:43.478 --> 01:21:43.768
Yeah.

01:21:43.858 --> 01:21:44.207
Right.

01:21:44.627 --> 01:21:47.177
It will eventually stop, but you're not stopping quickly, right?

01:21:47.177 --> 01:21:47.179
Yeah.

01:21:47.342 --> 01:21:48.443
Oh, Uhuh interesting.

01:21:48.443 --> 01:21:51.887
And that was, I mean, you're probably doing what, 50 miles an hour?

01:21:51.887 --> 01:21:52.488
Oh yeah.

01:21:52.488 --> 01:21:57.922
Well it, it seemed like it, I'm sure 1000 miles per hour.

01:21:59.002 --> 01:22:03.528
I mean, I did, it's probably more like 15, but confront my mortality a little tiny foot.

01:22:03.533 --> 01:22:06.887
Angie doesn't feel like a, a closest thing to a near death experience, almost.

01:22:06.978 --> 01:22:07.997
Probably.

01:22:07.997 --> 01:22:11.842
I can't think of anything else that was that, like, was fun.

01:22:11.943 --> 01:22:12.523
I'm gonna die.

01:22:12.983 --> 01:22:14.842
It was fun, but it was fun.

01:22:14.847 --> 01:22:15.347
I loved it.

01:22:16.158 --> 01:22:24.018
If, uh, if we could take, um, kind of the, I don't know, maybe I'm just old and I don't get involved anymore, but it feels like the.

01:22:24.063 --> 01:22:26.372
You know, the brew fests and mm-hmm.

01:22:26.378 --> 01:22:28.863
All that kind of stuff was such a big deal culturally.

01:22:28.868 --> 01:22:28.908
Yeah.

01:22:29.167 --> 01:22:29.787
10 years ago.

01:22:29.787 --> 01:22:30.108
Mm-hmm.

01:22:30.188 --> 01:22:32.188
And it just isn't so much anymore.

01:22:32.188 --> 01:22:33.363
It isn't as much anymore.

01:22:33.363 --> 01:22:39.063
You know, when you talked about current events, I was thinking about how, uh, drinking culture's changed Yeah.

01:22:39.063 --> 01:22:42.693
And how our Gen Zs don't drink as much and Yeah.

01:22:43.113 --> 01:22:46.203
Um, and you know, so that has had ramifications.

01:22:46.262 --> 01:22:52.502
Some of that, you know, crazy beer loving people that used to come out for anything.

01:22:52.653 --> 01:22:54.002
We've lost that a little bit.

01:22:54.002 --> 01:23:02.912
And I feel like also as a industry, we got a little tired, you know, like always making a new beer and a new style, and always doing these festivals.

01:23:02.912 --> 01:23:05.587
Here's, here's another festival, here's another festival, here's another festival.

01:23:05.587 --> 01:23:05.868
Yeah.

01:23:05.943 --> 01:23:06.092
Yeah.

01:23:06.092 --> 01:23:08.823
And I think, so Covid was a little bit of a reset.

01:23:08.882 --> 01:23:09.153
Yeah.

01:23:09.153 --> 01:23:11.943
And everybody was like, oh, this is hard sometimes.

01:23:11.943 --> 01:23:12.033
Right.

01:23:12.033 --> 01:23:13.443
And we're tired a little bit.

01:23:13.472 --> 01:23:17.042
And the, it's not clear how much benefit we get from Exactly.

01:23:17.042 --> 01:23:18.872
Slinging beers all weekend long, you know?

01:23:19.292 --> 01:23:19.682
Yeah.

01:23:19.682 --> 01:23:19.684
Yeah.

01:23:19.689 --> 01:23:21.542
And it's s the glamor has sometimes is.

01:23:21.563 --> 01:23:23.962
Flos it shine, giving the beer away and yeah.

01:23:24.023 --> 01:23:24.502
All that.

01:23:24.502 --> 01:23:28.193
And so, but I think, um, you know, we talk about this a lot.

01:23:28.252 --> 01:23:28.643
Um.

01:23:29.613 --> 01:23:34.637
Col, uh, Fort Collins in particular was just this amazing beer place.

01:23:34.637 --> 01:23:35.478
It was a Mecca sort.

01:23:35.547 --> 01:23:35.837
Yeah.

01:23:35.837 --> 01:23:36.037
Yes.

01:23:36.037 --> 01:23:38.118
And so the Napa of beer.

01:23:38.122 --> 01:23:38.283
Yeah.

01:23:38.283 --> 01:23:47.552
And so now, you know, it, it's a little bit our, our responsibility as these, um, smaller breweries to rebuild a little bit of that enthusiasm.

01:23:47.703 --> 01:23:47.792
Yeah.

01:23:47.943 --> 01:23:56.073
And so, you know, Josh is on a, on a panel that's working towards committee, a committee committee working towards building a, um, Fort Collins Beer Week.

01:23:56.582 --> 01:23:57.037
Um, oh good.

01:23:57.137 --> 01:23:58.158
And that is, that's lost.

01:23:58.188 --> 01:23:58.478
Yeah.

01:23:58.578 --> 01:24:03.993
And there's another committee that's, that's off of this group of breweries in Fort Collins working on a festival.

01:24:04.332 --> 01:24:04.722
Oh, really?

01:24:04.752 --> 01:24:05.113
Yeah.

01:24:05.203 --> 01:24:05.622
Okay.

01:24:05.653 --> 01:24:06.643
A unique festival.

01:24:06.643 --> 01:24:15.103
We used to have, there used to be a festival here in, in Fort Collins that we were included because I think strictly in Loveland we were included because they needed more breweries.

01:24:15.103 --> 01:24:16.302
There weren't enough back then.

01:24:16.512 --> 01:24:18.313
Well, you're part of the, to make it profitable.

01:24:18.313 --> 01:24:19.063
And what was that called?

01:24:19.063 --> 01:24:20.233
Was the Brewers Jam Brewery.

01:24:20.262 --> 01:24:20.712
Yeah.

01:24:20.832 --> 01:24:22.872
And it was a festival run by breweries.

01:24:22.872 --> 01:24:23.653
By breweries.

01:24:23.653 --> 01:24:24.733
And it was a unique festival.

01:24:24.762 --> 01:24:24.882
Oh yeah.

01:24:25.603 --> 01:24:27.432
Actually my food trailer was there.

01:24:27.438 --> 01:24:27.648
Yes.

01:24:28.148 --> 01:24:33.283
And I have a, remember that I have a Brewer's jamboree glass from verboten in my cupboard at home still.

01:24:33.313 --> 01:24:33.613
Yeah.

01:24:33.613 --> 01:24:35.172
Food was an important part of that.

01:24:35.233 --> 01:24:35.472
Yep.

01:24:35.563 --> 01:24:36.523
Um, beer festival.

01:24:36.523 --> 01:24:44.983
But yeah, so we're, we're working with other, um, brewery owners to like figure out Beer Collins and, uh, odell and New Belgium to figure out Right.

01:24:44.983 --> 01:24:47.533
You know, how to kind of bring some of that enthusiasm back.

01:24:47.563 --> 01:24:47.802
Yeah.

01:24:47.802 --> 01:24:49.007
Get people, you know, good.

01:24:49.387 --> 01:24:50.802
And the collaborative nature of it.

01:24:50.802 --> 01:24:50.983
Yeah.

01:24:51.047 --> 01:24:55.662
And, and let's get together and have fun and let's, you know, embrace the culture again.

01:24:56.283 --> 01:24:57.722
And reinvigorate it.

01:24:57.847 --> 01:24:58.268
Mm-hmm.

01:24:58.448 --> 01:25:00.092
In a time that it needs Yeah.

01:25:00.212 --> 01:25:01.832
Needs a little, needs a little, yeah.

01:25:01.953 --> 01:25:02.792
Uplifting.

01:25:02.882 --> 01:25:03.483
I would agree.

01:25:03.573 --> 01:25:04.143
I would agree.

01:25:04.412 --> 01:25:04.502
Mm-hmm.

01:25:04.953 --> 01:25:07.983
Well, um, maybe blessed in that pursuit.

01:25:08.012 --> 01:25:08.103
Mm-hmm.

01:25:08.342 --> 01:25:10.143
You know, of bringing more community together.

01:25:10.143 --> 01:25:11.762
That's always a a mm-hmm.

01:25:12.092 --> 01:25:12.783
Intentional thing.

01:25:12.783 --> 01:25:14.132
Do you have any questions for me?

01:25:14.643 --> 01:25:15.302
Oh goodness.

01:25:15.302 --> 01:25:18.122
After this, uh, little session here, how did we do?

01:25:18.422 --> 01:25:19.622
I think I did pretty good.

01:25:19.653 --> 01:25:21.273
But is your last meal, you seemed like you had a fun time.

01:25:21.512 --> 01:25:21.932
Death meal.

01:25:21.932 --> 01:25:22.832
Oh, my death meal.

01:25:23.103 --> 01:25:23.493
Oh, yeah.

01:25:23.643 --> 01:25:24.092
Hmm.

01:25:25.292 --> 01:25:27.962
I don't ask the questions or I just ask the questions around here.

01:25:28.262 --> 01:25:34.682
No, honestly, it would probably be like a, uh, nice hearty ribeye.

01:25:35.103 --> 01:25:35.193
Mm-hmm.

01:25:35.432 --> 01:25:37.682
Um, with a green salad with a bunch of mm-hmm.

01:25:38.193 --> 01:25:43.382
Good vegetables on it, you know, heavy on the avocado and the fresh garden tomatoes.

01:25:43.382 --> 01:25:43.563
Oh yeah.

01:25:44.012 --> 01:25:52.832
And uh, and I guess since I'm not as worried about getting fat anymore, I'd probably have a real nice fresh dinner roll, you know, fresh sourdough loaf.

01:25:52.832 --> 01:25:52.893
Yeah.

01:25:53.342 --> 01:25:54.092
Something like that.

01:25:54.092 --> 01:25:54.844
But I, I'm, mm-hmm.

01:25:54.850 --> 01:25:56.252
I'm pretty simple taste, you know?

01:25:56.257 --> 01:25:56.278
Yeah.

01:25:56.278 --> 01:25:56.438
Yeah.

01:25:56.438 --> 01:25:59.792
Gimme a chunk of cow and a chunk of salad and a little bit of bread.

01:25:59.882 --> 01:26:00.783
Sounds perfect.

01:26:00.783 --> 01:26:01.592
I like that too.

01:26:01.682 --> 01:26:14.162
Yeah, that sounds maybe my actual death meal and maybe, maybe like, uh, eight ounces of caviar that I wouldn't even enjoy or care about just to fuck the system a little bit.

01:26:15.393 --> 01:26:15.722
Yep.

01:26:15.728 --> 01:26:16.238
Uh, sorry.

01:26:16.698 --> 01:26:17.637
No, I get that screw, man.

01:26:17.637 --> 01:26:18.318
You're putting your death.

01:26:19.137 --> 01:26:22.563
We got to do, make you pay caviar tasting for the first Really?

01:26:23.523 --> 01:26:26.042
At a restaurant show was at a restaurant.

01:26:26.042 --> 01:26:26.046
At a restaurant.

01:26:26.046 --> 01:26:27.783
It was a Colorado restaurant show and I liked it.

01:26:27.783 --> 01:26:28.412
And he did not.

01:26:28.537 --> 01:26:29.557
No, no, it's not.

01:26:29.613 --> 01:26:34.172
I've tried it a couple little times, you know, I'm sure it wasn't the best stuff'cause I'm a pretty poor guy, but Yeah.

01:26:34.233 --> 01:26:36.813
I'm like, I just don't need little slippery things in my mind.

01:26:36.932 --> 01:26:37.353
Yeah.

01:26:37.353 --> 01:26:39.243
Like, I don't know.

01:26:39.243 --> 01:26:39.422
Yeah.

01:26:40.203 --> 01:26:40.592
I don't know.

01:26:40.773 --> 01:26:41.342
It was fun.

01:26:41.403 --> 01:26:42.122
Wasn't my jam.

01:26:42.363 --> 01:26:43.893
Well, thanks for being here.

01:26:44.252 --> 01:26:44.792
Thank you.

01:26:44.792 --> 01:26:45.287
Thank you for having us.

01:26:45.287 --> 01:26:48.993
Appreciate and uh, we'll see you next time and I'll see you down at the brewery here and there.

01:26:48.993 --> 01:26:51.542
Although, uh, Susan, Kurt will take me care of.

01:26:51.662 --> 01:26:52.023
Oh yeah.

01:26:52.023 --> 01:26:53.012
Otherwise, oh, they will.

01:26:53.162 --> 01:26:53.462
All right.

01:26:53.792 --> 01:26:54.332
Cheers you guys.