EXPERIENCE 164 | Your New Favorite Pediatric Dentist, Dr. Katie Foster, Founder and Owner of Timnath Kids Dentistry

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Dr.

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Katie Foster booked time with me out of the blue last spring, which never happens, and brought cookies, and we shared a very enjoyable coffee and conversation.

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She was weeks away at the time from opening her business, Timmoth Kids Dentistry, and was exploring the business community at large and curious about Loco Think Tank.

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She has not become a member of Loco Think Tank yet, but she's our kind of people.

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When she can carve out some time away from a young business and two young children, we'll be ready to find a great chapter for her.

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Before this conversation, I really had no impression of what the world of a pediatric dentist would be like.

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But now I know it's not so different from any other business, especially in healthcare.

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Exercise patience, show love, build a caring team, and most of the other stuff will come together.

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Katie grew up in the Reno, Nevada area, started playing the violin at an early age, and was a competitive swimmer through high school and college.

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She was inspired to be a dentist while still in grade school.

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And if you listen to this conversation and you have young children, you'll probably want her to be their dentist.

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Just saying.

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This episode is not a paid ad, even though it may seem that way, just a fun and open talk with a smart and fresh kid dentist.

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So I hope you enjoy, as I did, my conversation with Dr.

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Katie Foster.

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Yeah.

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You just like bury it deep down while your innards are just on fire.

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Yeah.

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Well, there's a lot to think about.

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Uh, there is.

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A lot of moving pieces.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Um, and, uh, here you are.

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Here I am.

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So, thanks for being here.

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Yeah.

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for having me.

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Um, I'll lead us in.

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Okay.

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Um, and then, uh, it's pretty straightforward from there.

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Okay.

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I'm here for it.

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Got cameras on.

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Okay.

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M m m m me.

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Set up a little straighter, my back's been sore lately.

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Um, I got the wine hidden under there if you want more, just let me know.

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We can take a break anytime.

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Okay, you got it.

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Alright.

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I'm good.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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I'm honored today to be joined by Katie Foster.

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And Katie is the founder and owner and dentist at uh, Timnath Kids Dentistry.

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So, uh, I don't know almost anything about, like I, I know about dentists for me, my experience, which has been pretty much just teeth cleanings and stuff, but tell me about the, the art of kids dentistry.

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What makes it, what makes it so special?

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Different and unique and more for you.

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Yeah.

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You know, that's a, um, it's a big question to kind of unpack.

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There's layers to it, but kids are not.

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Adults, right?

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Like you can't talk to them the same way.

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They are not at that emotional state that we are at.

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They can't process it the same way.

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So we kind of have to meet them a little bit more.

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where they are at.

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I mean, I see from zero to 18.

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So a one year old is not the same as a 14 year old.

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They don't have, you know, the fears.

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They don't have the anxieties.

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Um, they don't have, you know, kind of those experiences to pull from.

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And so you treat a one year old totally different than you would the adult.

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the 14 year old.

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Yeah, they come in with no expectations, I suppose, the one year old.

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Yeah, and you know, sometimes those one year olds, they can be the easiest, sometimes they can be the hardest, you know?

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Um, I love pediatrics, though, because you can give them, um, I don't know, just kind of a shot to develop a healthy experience with a dentist.

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You know, they don't have to be our ages and terrified of the dentist.

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They can It's like a high leverage role in some ways.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Can create lifetime good dentist patients.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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And so it's really cool when you can see that.

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Like I had a, a kid today, he was three.

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I saw him six months ago, and he would not look at me.

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He wouldn't get in the chair, crying, screaming, walking through the door.

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And he walked in today like he owned the place.

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And he just got up on the chair, he laid down, let us clean his teeth, let me look, we got to give him a balloon and stickers and all the things at the end.

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And you have a lifetime patient, you know, like you're a believer.

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So I'm here for it.

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Yeah, it's a pretty cool profession, actually.

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So yeah, cool.

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What, uh, I'm assuming you would probably serve a lot more smaller kids because people looking for a kid's dentist.

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Yeah.

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Like, and then over time, if people really like you, do you kick them out when they're 18?

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I do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, uh, kick them out when they're 18 or I tell them, you know, if they have more extensive dental needs earlier on and they have full permanent teeth, I send them kind of on their way.

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You know, before that.

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Right.

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Fair.

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So it just kind of depends on the situation.

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But most of the time, I let them graduate from high school so their parents don't have to worry about finding a new dentist and who takes their insurance.

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They might be moving away to college anyway, you've got to find a dentist there in that town.

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Yeah.

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So we kind of tidy things up, get their wisdom teeth out, make sure braces are done, make sure, you know, there's no cavities, then you send them off to, you know, college or wherever they're off to next without having any issues.

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And do Do you do braces or is that still orthodontist?

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I don't, yeah, I, I like to kind of stay in my lane and just do kind of the bread and butter pediatric dentistry.

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Um, so I refer out for orthodontics, I refer out for permanent teeth extractions, wisdom teeth, you know, things like that.

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So I just like to do the, basic pediatric dentistry.

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And you are, I guess you've got a small office.

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I haven't been down there, but is it kind of in that newer portion over by the brewery and stuff like that?

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So the brewery, yep, that, that's a little bit more West of where I'm at.

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So Timnath is growing rapidly.

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I'm sure you've probably seen like all the houses going up and carwash and there's a liquor store, there's a gas station, all these new things going in.

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Um, I'm off of.

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signal tree and harmony.

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There's a stoplight right there and it's really just kind of where like UC Health is, the little gyms over there.

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What else?

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That pediatrics?

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There's another dental office.

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So health and medical kind of a center.

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Yeah, it's kind of a little health and medical complex, but I'm on the corner.

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You cannot miss my signs.

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So um, yeah.

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And are you a.

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A one woman band?

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Do you have?

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Uh, yeah.

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Dental wise, yes.

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So I'm the only one that does the dentistry.

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Sure.

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I have three amazing women that, um, are my team members.

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So I have two dental assistants.

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Okay.

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And I have one patient coordinator who is up at the front.

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Okay.

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Wearing all of the hats right now.

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And, um.

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So you've kind of got two rooms with, Teeth cleanings and x rays and different things, kind of an experience.

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So I have five rooms.

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Oh wow.

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Why?

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Yeah.

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Because you'll grow into it?

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Yeah.

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So I'll grow into it.

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So right now I run out of three rooms.

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Um, I have two columns of patients and I see new patients every 40 minutes.

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Wow.

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Um, so pediatric dentistry is pretty rapid pace.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of a treadmill a little bit.

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Yep.

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Which I love.

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You know, like you're in and you're out.

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You can't keep a Kid in the chair for too long.

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So I really like that.

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I'm kind of fast paced myself.

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You can't keep me sitting for too long.

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So, um, yeah.

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So in that way, it's a lot like the experience at, uh, my dentist's office where my dentist comes in after, I mean, as far as the staffing and who does what.

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Exactly.

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Not too much different than that, right?

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No, not at all.

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It's just a little bit longer for you, you know, and um, different instruments and things.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, more tartar.

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But yes, very similar.

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Stuff like that.

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So I have, you know, an assistant who helps with the teeth cleaning and takes x rays and seats the patient for me and takes notes and does all of that.

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And I just get to come in and kind of swoop in for five, six minutes, do my exam, talk to the parent, the patient, and then I'm on to the next kiddo.

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So I've been blessed pretty much not having had a lot of trouble.

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dental stuff all my life.

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Um, is there a difference?

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Like do kids get teeth cleaned twice a year?

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X rays every.

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Two years or one year or whatever it is kind of the same routine or the difference is they're very similar So you see the dentist every six months same as you know, what we would do X rays kind of depends.

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So I usually like x rays once a year If they are like really low risk of getting cavities, I'll let them go a little bit longer.

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So maybe every 18 months Um, if we're watching a tooth, like a permanent tooth, I'm worried that it's going to get a big cavity or it has an early cavity.

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I might take x rays every six months, um, but it's very similar to, you know, like what general dentists will do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How, uh, how is it finding people in your industry?

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It's gotten better as far as like employment.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's gotten better.

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I think, um, I actually just hired my second assistant.

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She just started last week.

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Um, and it was not nearly as painful as when I hired my first assistant.

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So I hired my first assistant.

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Gosh.

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June.

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And I hired her early because I wanted to, I started in September and so I started kind of looking because I didn't just want a warm body, you know, like I wanted someone that like I really clicked with that.

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Did she have experience already?

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Wanted to be there?

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She did.

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She had some general dental experience.

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Um.

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Okay.

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And she was awesome.

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Like, I am so blessed to have her.

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Um, but it was You can say her name if you want to.

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Her name is Lily, and she is Lily's gonna die in that office with me, darn it.

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I like that mentality.

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Seriously, like, all the ladies that are with me, I'm like, And that's not a threat, right?

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You can't leave.

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No, that is a, I love you so hard, I want you to stay.

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And, um And they know that, you know, for me, that's a huge thing, but it was really hard to find them.

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I mean, I, I interviewed so many people.

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I mean, I spent hours and hours and hours at Starbucks, just like I did phone interviews first.

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I, you know, called references.

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I met them in person, you know, and nothing just, it didn't feel right.

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feel right.

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And I was, I honestly got a little stressed.

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So this go around was actually much easier.

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I only interviewed three people and the lady that I did hire, she just moved here from New Jersey.

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Um, does she talk funny?

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She doesn't.

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No, she's got a little bit of a cute accent.

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Actually.

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She said ma the other day.

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I was like, well, that's fine.

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That's the cutest thing I've ever heard.

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But nobody's like, hey, Jersey, come over to Wriggle Room.

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No, not yet.

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She's still kind of on her best behavior right now.

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She hasn't like really, you know, Get her drinking one time and you'll probably find some Jersey.

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Yes.

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I told her, I was like, I cuss and I do some things.

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I'm trying to like, you know, get her to lighten up a little bit, but she's still on her best behavior.

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Cool.

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I like it.

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And then who's your, uh, who's your front deskie?

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is her name.

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Or I guess appointment coordinator.

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Yeah.

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So I call her my patient coordinator.

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But she, again, she's amazing.

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She is very smart.

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She is totally capable.

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The girl is resourceful.

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Nice.

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Like, you drop her in.

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She had no experience in dentistry whatsoever.

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And she didn't tug on your dentist gown asking you questions every day for She did.

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But honestly, like, I would give her something to do and she would just do it.

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Dig in the world wide webs and books and reach out to people and she was so resourceful.

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Independent learner.

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I love that.

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Yes.

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And I mean you can't teach that.

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No.

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So that was amazing.

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Again, she's also going to die there with me and she's not allowed to leave until we are done at Timnath Kids Dentistry.

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So, but she's phenomenal.

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So I'm very blessed to have all three of them.

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Really cool.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of scary to grow from there, you know.

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What's the, uh, what's the vision from there?

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Will you next step, uh, So, um, I don't know if you're a third hygienist or a second dentist or like, what's your growth plan?

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Yeah, you know, I don't want another dentist.

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Really?

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I don't.

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I, um, I always thought I did.

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I thought like my personality, it's big and bold.

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I always thought I was going to be the guy that had, or the gal that had like five practices and big, big practices and hire people and, but I've worked in those practices and, yeah.

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It's not better.

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It was not for me.

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For the employees or the customers usually.

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Yeah, it's just, it's very different.

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You know, it's a different vibe.

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It's not as like boutique type of feel.

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I, I mean, I was seeing 50 to 60 patients every single day by myself and it was a lot.

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And what are you doing now as a full schedule?

00:12:12.110 --> 00:12:15.220
So right now I'm seeing about 20 as a full schedule.

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I think the sweet spot for me will probably be like 35 ish.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Um, and that'll feel not.

00:12:23.125 --> 00:12:26.825
Yeah, I mean, there were days you just go home and you want to stare at a blank wall.

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You're just like, Oh my goodness.

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And you have nothing left to give your people at home, you know?

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So I don't think I want that.

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I don't want this big machine because you have to feed the big machine.

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You know, if you have four dentists working for you, those four dentists need patients to fill their schedule so they can get paid on production and all of that.

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You know, you always have to be doing something to get new patients in the door.

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And I don't know.

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I just.

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I don't, I don't want that.

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Would you ever consider like a second location or something instead?

00:12:55.054 --> 00:12:55.695
I don't think so.

00:12:55.924 --> 00:12:56.835
I don't think a second location.

00:12:56.835 --> 00:12:58.394
I like where I'm at.

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Do you like Timnath?

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Do you want to be a part of that community for the next 30 years?

00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:01.914
I do.

00:13:01.934 --> 00:13:02.934
Yeah, I love where I am.

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Be the mayor someday, run for city council.

00:13:05.164 --> 00:13:05.595
No, no, no.

00:13:05.965 --> 00:13:08.764
Um, no, but I, I want to be a mom and a wife.

00:13:08.855 --> 00:13:15.965
First and foremost, and I think when you start kind of getting kind of overextended in those ways, it's really hard to do those things.

00:13:15.995 --> 00:13:19.075
Well, and even right now, like, I'm kind of struggling with that.

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You know, I'm struggling, like, spending a amazing amounts of time with my husband and making him feel loved and my kids knowing that I care and you know, It's early mornings and late nights and kind of all that stuff So I think if you start adding more and more and more and more Then it starts taking away from kind of those core people and core things that are important to me so i'm trying to just Have a good vision from here and see 10 years down the road and not let that get too foggy So then yeah Maybe just like maybe one more hygienist like you got these five rooms, right?

00:13:50.529 --> 00:13:57.340
Yes, so I will there will be more people and I'm able to run all five of those rooms by myself Really?

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And so I will be able to do all of that and I've done it well for the last six years and other places So So I'll be able to do that.

00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.970
I will hire more, um, hygienists and assistants and things like that.

00:14:08.970 --> 00:14:12.370
So my next step will be one new, another, um, assistant.

00:14:12.820 --> 00:14:27.940
And then I'll probably hire someone part time to do front desk, but I'm kind of thinking of doing that maybe virtually or, you know, work from home, something like that where they can answer the phones and kind of take that piece out of Emily's day, my front desk.

00:14:28.309 --> 00:14:30.039
Um, and then so she can just.

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Greet people as they walk in the door, so she can, you know, kind of work from home person.

00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.080
Could like, Try to spur demand a little bit.

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Hey, you missed your, you know, your two months or a month overdue on your last sign when she can do, you know, like schedule a new patient.

00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.500
She can do insurance verification.

00:14:46.500 --> 00:14:46.799
Sure.

00:14:46.990 --> 00:14:56.700
I mean, those alone are full time jobs right there, you know, and so right now, Emily is just wearing, like I said, all those hats and she's wearing them very well right now, but we're also not running at full speed either.

00:14:56.710 --> 00:14:59.360
So just trying to grow, I think.

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Mindfully of that, and, um, a lot of people that go into dentistry are females, you know, and so a lot of them have, like, as far as assistants, hygienist, front desk.

00:15:08.355 --> 00:15:10.384
Oh, as far as the staff especially, right?

00:15:10.394 --> 00:15:10.634
Yes, yeah.

00:15:10.634 --> 00:15:11.846
Dentists, not so much.

00:15:11.846 --> 00:15:12.889
Not that many dentists.

00:15:12.889 --> 00:15:17.115
Yeah, what's the percentage in, what, in your classes, uh, Yeah, dental school for me was 50 50, actually.

00:15:17.144 --> 00:15:17.595
It was?

00:15:17.784 --> 00:15:17.975
Yes.

00:15:18.065 --> 00:15:18.134
Okay.

00:15:18.195 --> 00:15:20.664
I know it's become a lot more popular for, for females.

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And pediatrics even more so, you know, and so it's a little bit higher there, but just for like staff and team members, it's pretty low.

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Like there's not a lot of males, especially pediatrics.

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I've never had my teeth cleaned or, you know, front desk or anything by a male, frankly.

00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:36.700
I'm pretty old.

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And most, most women don't.

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Parents don't want their kids to come in and have no offense.

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We love you dearly, but yeah, they don't want a male there.

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And it's already pretty scary.

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Yeah.

00:15:45.909 --> 00:15:47.715
Most kids don't want that either, you know?

00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.379
do you do the Twitter at all?

00:15:49.590 --> 00:15:50.259
I don't.

00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:58.230
Uh, there's a hilarious little video that Elon Musk shared the other day and it was like, uh, I forget where this starts.

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It doesn't start with, uh, it might be, it's not we're all racist now and then it's we're all this now and then we're all mental now, we're all on all these drugs and stuff like that.

00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:09.909
And then what's next?

00:16:09.909 --> 00:16:10.779
Uh huh.

00:16:10.909 --> 00:16:15.399
Everybody, it's the society has got a lot of, uh, challenges in the world today.

00:16:15.850 --> 00:16:16.789
That is very true.

00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:21.879
I see, uh, Ronna McDaniel lost her job at NBC today.

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Did you see that?

00:16:22.509 --> 00:16:23.179
I did not.

00:16:23.179 --> 00:16:23.539
You know what?

00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:27.690
I have been awful at, don't judge me, yes, so bad lately.

00:16:27.690 --> 00:16:28.610
No, it's good.

00:16:28.620 --> 00:16:30.344
Why would you want to be good at it?

00:16:30.344 --> 00:16:31.970
Well, I like to know what's going on.

00:16:31.970 --> 00:16:35.159
My husband is awesome about it, so he'll fill me in.

00:16:35.190 --> 00:16:36.759
The drama is just so funny.

00:16:37.039 --> 00:17:11.795
So, they hired, uh, Uh, the former head of the Republican National Committee, MBC did, to be, not like an anchor, just kind of like a spot person or whatever, and like, Their whole staff like was like, we can't have somebody like her to be on our team said Trump was not terrible one time Anyway, I digress But it's just hilarious like they were trying to actually do a quote unquote diversity hire a conservative voice in the NBC newsroom And then when they did it was like Yeah.

00:17:11.855 --> 00:17:14.474
So, I believe in, I believe in male discrimination.

00:17:14.634 --> 00:17:19.734
Honestly, I would definitely tip the scales toward a, toward a qualified woman in the workplace most of the time.

00:17:19.734 --> 00:17:21.355
We're pretty awesome, I'm not gonna lie.

00:17:22.855 --> 00:17:30.095
Um, so, what would you have people know about, um, Doing pediatric dentistry really well.

00:17:30.095 --> 00:17:34.505
Other, other than having frankly, a really good personality that makes kids comfortable.

00:17:34.509 --> 00:17:34.549
Yeah.

00:17:34.555 --> 00:17:35.615
And their parents comfortable.

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And that's honestly no hair men around.

00:17:37.954 --> 00:17:39.365
No, I think that's honestly it.

00:17:39.394 --> 00:17:41.494
Like, so my husband's an oral surgeon.

00:17:41.525 --> 00:17:41.555
Okay.

00:17:41.555 --> 00:17:42.934
We went to dental school together.

00:17:42.964 --> 00:17:43.115
Okay.

00:17:43.204 --> 00:17:46.775
Um, and we talk about like, I couldn't do what he does.

00:17:46.775 --> 00:17:47.134
Right.

00:17:47.140 --> 00:17:47.509
And, Mm-Hmm.

00:17:47.670 --> 00:17:48.515
he couldn't do what I do.

00:17:48.575 --> 00:17:51.424
And I'm always like, yes, you could, like the dentistry part is.

00:17:51.690 --> 00:17:52.220
Easy.

00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.920
It is the patient part.

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It's the management.

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It's the talking to the kid who's freaked out about you, who's asking if you're going to use needles, who's had to the mom who's freaked out about you.

00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:10.680
Yes, I mean I literally, I had a dad a few weeks ago who had to medicate himself before he came to his child's appointment, and his head was in between his legs the entire time.

00:18:11.009 --> 00:18:11.339
Yes.

00:18:11.369 --> 00:18:12.740
And so, it's, it's.

00:18:13.299 --> 00:18:14.980
It's not the dentistry that's hard, you know.

00:18:14.980 --> 00:18:18.750
And so when you're, it really isn't like you've practiced for hours and hours and hours.

00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:25.150
Um, but it's not, you know, I do the same six things as a pediatric dentist all day.

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Every day.

00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:35.690
General dentistry, I would say, is significantly harder because you're doing aesthetic stuff, you know, you're, you know, You're doing all of these big lengthy procedures, you know, that need to be nice.

00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:39.380
They need to stay in there for years on end and decades on end.

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And pediatric dentistry is like caps and different things, crowns, veneers.

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I mean, root canals, kind of all of that stuff.

00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:45.519
Yeah.

00:18:45.589 --> 00:18:46.460
Pediatric dentistry.

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Like after you have done it for as long as I have done it, I mean, that part is.

00:18:51.346 --> 00:18:52.775
It's, it's easy and it's fun.

00:18:52.775 --> 00:18:58.595
It's fun to just kind of be in your groove and do that and be able to joke around and you know, have fun.

00:18:59.025 --> 00:18:59.305
Yeah.

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Sing songs.

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A lot of cool relationships over time, I imagine.

00:19:01.815 --> 00:19:02.964
Yes, absolutely.

00:19:02.964 --> 00:19:04.484
That's like the best part of it, you know?

00:19:04.486 --> 00:19:06.674
Yeah, have that kind of vibrant office mentality.

00:19:06.805 --> 00:19:07.194
Yeah, totally.

00:19:07.194 --> 00:19:09.865
And you see these kids go from, again, zero to 18.

00:19:09.984 --> 00:19:19.255
I mean, I haven't been in practice that long, but you'll see, you know, then parents are having more babies and then they're bringing them in and, you know, you form these relationships with parents, which is pretty cool.

00:19:19.255 --> 00:19:20.384
So it's awesome.

00:19:20.825 --> 00:19:23.095
Um, what's an oral surgeon do?

00:19:23.525 --> 00:19:24.164
Oh gosh.

00:19:24.214 --> 00:19:28.015
Is it, they just come in for the hard cases that the dentist contract out for, kind of?

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Kind of.

00:19:29.015 --> 00:19:29.424
Yeah.

00:19:29.424 --> 00:19:32.785
So with my husband, he kind of does, again, like bread and butter oral surgery.

00:19:32.785 --> 00:19:33.755
So he does a lot of implants.

00:19:33.755 --> 00:19:33.795
Yeah.

00:19:34.650 --> 00:19:40.329
He does a lot of wisdom teeth, or third molars is kind of what we call them in the industry, but wisdom teeth.

00:19:40.710 --> 00:19:42.690
Um, so that's kind of the sweet spot for him.

00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:44.279
But he does a lot of pathology.

00:19:44.299 --> 00:19:48.670
You know, if you have like a weird cancerous growth in your mouth, he's the guy you go see.

00:19:48.670 --> 00:19:54.130
He takes it out, he sends it to the pathologist, he gets it back, he, you know, manages that.

00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:54.549
Interesting.

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Um.

00:19:55.220 --> 00:19:57.539
He actually takes call for the hospitals here.

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So he does, um, MCR and PVH.

00:20:00.089 --> 00:20:01.390
He does trauma call for them.

00:20:01.910 --> 00:20:06.789
Um, and so they share that with like oral surgeons, uh, plastics and ENTs.

00:20:06.789 --> 00:20:09.269
And so they kind of rotate who takes that call.

00:20:09.269 --> 00:20:23.190
So he gets to see the car accidents and the dog bites and gunshot wounds and trips and falls and drunk homeless people that, you know, fall off a bike or what, like he gets to go in and treat all of those people, which is pretty cool.

00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:23.920
Oh, interesting.

00:20:24.329 --> 00:20:24.599
Yeah.

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Like in an EMT like role, more than just their teeth.

00:20:28.490 --> 00:20:28.829
Oh yeah.

00:20:28.829 --> 00:20:31.809
So he, I mean with oral, so they're oral and facial surgeons.

00:20:31.809 --> 00:20:33.910
So they treat from head all the way up.

00:20:33.990 --> 00:20:34.339
I see.

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Or neck all the way up.

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I'm sorry.

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And so, I mean, yeah.

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They do all sorts of crazy stuff.

00:20:38.744 --> 00:20:39.015
Right.

00:20:39.025 --> 00:20:43.075
Somebody smashes their head through a car windshield because they're on meth.

00:20:43.115 --> 00:20:43.545
Yeah.

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Seriously.

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I'm sure it happens.

00:20:46.085 --> 00:20:46.605
It's wild.

00:20:46.605 --> 00:20:50.204
So the stories that you hear and the, you know, which is I, I'm like, I can't do it.

00:20:50.204 --> 00:20:53.432
I don't know how to do it because it's just like gross and gory.

00:20:53.432 --> 00:20:53.714
Yeah.

00:20:54.035 --> 00:20:54.335
No, thank you.

00:20:54.375 --> 00:20:57.625
Well, and you've got no fun jobs at all, really, like, they're all kind of bad.

00:20:58.434 --> 00:21:02.134
Uh, you know, it's like an attorney that has just, like, terrible clients, or.

00:21:02.404 --> 00:21:04.775
I don't know, I think he kind of, like, gets off on it a little bit.

00:21:04.775 --> 00:21:04.904
That's okay.

00:21:04.904 --> 00:21:08.335
He's like, you know, it's just like, gore, and like, you know, it's cool.

00:21:08.345 --> 00:21:10.724
Does he have his own practice, too, or is he with a team?

00:21:10.825 --> 00:21:12.765
Uh, so he is with one other surgeon.

00:21:12.765 --> 00:21:12.964
Okay.

00:21:13.115 --> 00:21:16.414
So he's at Reynolds Orland Facial Surgery, so they have three locations.

00:21:16.424 --> 00:21:18.674
So they're in Fort Collins, Loveland, and Greeley.

00:21:18.765 --> 00:21:19.970
So once you get.

00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:23.349
Grown and stabilized in your staff that we where you want to be in stuff.

00:21:23.890 --> 00:21:26.670
What are you gonna do for vacations like?

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Will you can you get temp dentists come in?

00:21:28.589 --> 00:21:29.680
Will people allow for that?

00:21:30.230 --> 00:21:51.075
You can I probably won't I'd probably just like close for the week or two weeks or whatever and I'm okay with that, you know, and I think like right now if I'm out, like I'm going to San Diego for a couple days for a friend's birthday party and I still pay for my staff to be there and they still work and they still come in and answer phones and they'll clean the office.

00:21:51.105 --> 00:21:52.105
They'll stock things.

00:21:52.134 --> 00:21:54.474
They'll, you know, do some marketing stuff for me.

00:21:54.674 --> 00:22:02.694
So I try to find just, I want them to be stable and have good hours and I don't want their schedule to be all kind of off kilter just because I'm out doing whatever.

00:22:02.714 --> 00:22:03.125
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:03.174 --> 00:22:06.444
I mean, I think that seems like the biggest weakness, not to not having a second dentist is.

00:22:06.444 --> 00:22:06.714
Yeah.

00:22:06.950 --> 00:22:07.109
Yeah.

00:22:07.109 --> 00:22:10.680
Would you ever consider like a semi retired or part timer dentist or something?

00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:11.190
Yeah.

00:22:11.650 --> 00:22:14.480
I mean, maybe down the road, but again, I get full.

00:22:14.529 --> 00:22:14.890
Yeah.

00:22:14.890 --> 00:22:16.660
Once I get full, potentially.

00:22:16.690 --> 00:22:17.569
Um, and that might change.

00:22:17.569 --> 00:22:18.480
Better be the right one though.

00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:19.670
It better be the right one.

00:22:19.910 --> 00:22:19.990
Yeah.

00:22:19.990 --> 00:22:20.880
You better know who's the boss.

00:22:21.891 --> 00:22:25.557
She's like Katie's husband, just kidding.

00:22:25.557 --> 00:22:31.329
Yeah, well, no, I think that if you do find the right fit, that it would actually be kind of a cool relationship.

00:22:31.349 --> 00:22:39.960
And then, yes, you could go and take vacation or, you know, you could share, like, I work three days and you work three days and we have, like, one that overlaps or, you know, something like that.

00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:40.559
So, yeah.

00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.029
You could work a little longer days, even.

00:22:42.339 --> 00:22:42.549
Yeah.

00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:47.025
Um, cause that, Would probably be convenient for a lot of people just run the kid over there after work or something.

00:22:47.394 --> 00:22:49.375
Yeah, a lot of people are actually starting to do that.

00:22:49.755 --> 00:22:50.115
Yeah, for that.

00:22:50.115 --> 00:22:53.585
More like, you know, early mornings, late nights, work through lunch.

00:22:53.585 --> 00:22:57.075
Like, just so that way they can accommodate more people, you know.

00:22:57.115 --> 00:22:57.615
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:57.634 --> 00:22:58.484
You know, working people.

00:22:58.484 --> 00:23:00.234
And just make it easier for people to go to the dentist.

00:23:00.285 --> 00:23:02.115
Like, that's your goal in some ways, right?

00:23:02.115 --> 00:23:03.125
Totally, totally, yeah.

00:23:03.134 --> 00:23:05.035
Um, what else would you have people know about?

00:23:05.444 --> 00:23:10.944
The trade like how many pediatric dentists are in Northern, Colorado, you know, do you know them all?

00:23:10.945 --> 00:23:20.694
I do It's growing actually I feel like in the last probably year we've had maybe four new people really Mm hmm.

00:23:20.704 --> 00:23:22.075
I mean, it's a very coveted place.

00:23:22.085 --> 00:23:22.605
Right?

00:23:22.634 --> 00:23:24.255
Like it's great for anyone, right?

00:23:24.325 --> 00:23:28.345
Yeah Probably quite competitive like not easy to pick up It's not.

00:23:28.474 --> 00:23:29.184
Get something off the ground?

00:23:29.265 --> 00:23:30.875
Well, it's not, it's not quite there yet.

00:23:30.894 --> 00:23:38.575
I feel like there are still some little pockets here and there where you, like Timnath was, you know, you look at the demographics of Timnath and how much it's growing.

00:23:38.575 --> 00:23:39.525
Everybody's got little kids.

00:23:39.525 --> 00:23:39.744
Yeah.

00:23:39.744 --> 00:23:42.984
It's just glowing on a demographic study, which is why.

00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:43.630
I'm there.

00:23:43.630 --> 00:23:45.039
You'll see a part of why I'm there.

00:23:45.069 --> 00:23:46.759
Um, I live there too, but yeah.

00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:52.750
And so then you look at other pockets and there's, you know, some openings, you know, here and there and a lot of growth and whatnot.

00:23:52.750 --> 00:23:54.279
So it's not totally saturated yet.

00:23:54.650 --> 00:23:58.720
And a lot of the people that are coming in, they are associates, so they're working for someone else.

00:23:58.730 --> 00:23:59.019
Sure.

00:23:59.170 --> 00:24:06.130
Um, so some of the bigger offices, you know, where they have four or five doctors, um, or multiple locations or, you know, whatever else.

00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:09.839
Um, do people choose dentists mostly from where they live?

00:24:09.849 --> 00:24:11.720
I'm kind of the closest pediatric dentist.

00:24:12.005 --> 00:24:13.884
I, I think so.

00:24:13.884 --> 00:24:15.075
I think a lot of it's that.

00:24:15.095 --> 00:24:16.154
I think another layer.

00:24:17.194 --> 00:24:25.095
Yeah, I think, I think it's that I get a lot of people because I can track all of my like referrals or where people put that they, you know, heard about us.

00:24:25.095 --> 00:24:29.924
And so most of it is driving by the office and seeing the signs and seeing something new and whatever else.

00:24:29.924 --> 00:24:31.394
It helps you justify that expensive rent, right?

00:24:31.765 --> 00:24:32.204
See?

00:24:33.525 --> 00:24:34.394
Um, yeah.

00:24:34.394 --> 00:24:36.194
And so we have, you know, great signage.

00:24:36.194 --> 00:24:37.134
So they see us that way.

00:24:37.325 --> 00:24:40.275
Honestly, most of my people come through social media.

00:24:40.525 --> 00:24:40.704
Oh.

00:24:40.765 --> 00:24:42.375
Um, that's something that I.

00:24:42.775 --> 00:24:50.375
I love doing, I didn't know I would love it, but I love, I love marketing, love the marketing part of it.

00:24:50.375 --> 00:24:51.325
It's so fun.

00:24:51.335 --> 00:25:01.125
And I think it was something that people weren't doing here, you know, and so, I mean, you'd have people on social media, you know, people have, I do a lot of Instagram, I do some Facebook, but it's mostly Instagram.

00:25:01.184 --> 00:25:01.384
Yeah.

00:25:01.575 --> 00:25:02.904
And are you the star?

00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:06.660
Like, you're talking about cases and stuff, are you involving your staff?

00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:08.660
Yes, I try to involve my staff a lot.

00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:12.640
Um, some of it's educational, some of it's just like silly, like us having a good time.

00:25:12.849 --> 00:25:17.730
Some of it's, you know, patients that post, like, pictures of their kids at the office and I just repost them.

00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:18.009
Yeah.

00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.962
Um, but I went from like, I don't know, 500 followers to almost 2, 000.

00:25:21.962 --> 00:25:22.056
What?

00:25:22.056 --> 00:25:22.424
Just in six months.

00:25:22.494 --> 00:25:23.154
six months.

00:25:23.174 --> 00:25:23.375
What?

00:25:23.654 --> 00:25:24.065
Yes.

00:25:24.194 --> 00:25:31.704
And so it truly, and like, I'm not kidding you, last month I had however many new patients, 40 of them were from social media.

00:25:31.744 --> 00:25:32.285
Wow.

00:25:32.335 --> 00:25:33.265
And that's crazy.

00:25:33.295 --> 00:25:37.734
I haven't heard somebody talk about a lot of success like that much on social media in a while.

00:25:37.904 --> 00:25:38.444
And it's fun.

00:25:38.595 --> 00:25:39.924
And honestly, like my staff.

00:25:39.924 --> 00:25:40.335
Are you paying them?

00:25:40.785 --> 00:25:41.765
Like the social media companies?

00:25:41.775 --> 00:25:43.365
You're not boosting posts or nothing?

00:25:43.515 --> 00:25:45.615
So I boost, I boost one video.

00:25:45.664 --> 00:25:45.755
Okay.

00:25:45.964 --> 00:25:48.005
It's an office that, um, or an office.

00:25:48.005 --> 00:25:49.914
It's a, a man who created it.

00:25:49.944 --> 00:25:54.039
His first name, gosh, Emily, um, Draghi's Oh, Josh.

00:25:54.099 --> 00:25:54.200
Josh.

00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.259
Yeah, Josh made a video for us, too.

00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:56.599
Okay, so Josh did my video.

00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:58.339
And he did a phenomenal job.

00:25:58.630 --> 00:26:04.339
And so I put that up on my Instagram, and then I put it on my website, whatever else, and that's the only one that I a slow drip boost on it.

00:26:04.490 --> 00:26:10.590
Yeah, and so I boost it every once in a while, like I just did again last night, and I do like 50 bucks for five days or something like that.

00:26:10.590 --> 00:26:10.930
Right, right.

00:26:10.930 --> 00:26:16.690
And then you get like seven new followers or, you know, like people that are like, oh my gosh, like I didn't know that you were in Timnith.

00:26:16.691 --> 00:26:17.819
Or three appointments, even better, right.

00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.480
Seriously.

00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:18.950
That's crazy.

00:26:18.950 --> 00:26:31.970
So it's actually been like really, and doesn't cost a ton, you know, like when I look at kind of the breakdown of all of my stuff, like marketing, I think for dental offices, what they tell you, it should actually be a pretty good chunk of your overhead.

00:26:32.339 --> 00:26:38.319
And I'm not, I'm not spending that much, you know, referrals and social love and stuff.

00:26:38.320 --> 00:26:44.180
And that's, you know, I hate to say it, but part of the charisma, the being a personality, building a culture that.

00:26:44.625 --> 00:26:49.275
You know, where your staff wants to participate in being part of this tinnitus kid's industry.

00:26:49.974 --> 00:26:55.295
And truly, like, I get people that apply for jobs probably once a week that will send me their resume and say, I saw you on social media.

00:26:55.325 --> 00:26:56.075
Are you hiring?

00:26:56.085 --> 00:26:57.505
Like, it looks like you have fun.

00:26:57.515 --> 00:26:58.664
It looks like you care.

00:26:58.924 --> 00:27:01.845
I think parents, they feel like they know me when they come in.

00:27:01.855 --> 00:27:08.255
Like, Oh my gosh, like I saw your whatever post, I saw how you brushed your own kid's teeth and now I do that for my own, you know, my family.

00:27:08.255 --> 00:27:09.384
And so it's pretty cool.

00:27:09.474 --> 00:27:15.474
I'm expecting you to share this podcast everywhere now so that we can get a little bump up in our numbers here.

00:27:15.765 --> 00:27:16.365
Let's do it.

00:27:16.545 --> 00:27:17.244
I like it.

00:27:17.755 --> 00:27:18.704
So, um, Yeah.

00:27:18.726 --> 00:27:23.615
Um, I feel like we talked a bit about dentistry and your business, your future plans.

00:27:23.765 --> 00:27:24.835
Should we jump in the time machine?

00:27:25.154 --> 00:27:25.644
Sure.

00:27:25.724 --> 00:27:26.105
Okay.

00:27:26.424 --> 00:27:30.615
Um, let's go to first grade.

00:27:31.505 --> 00:27:31.835
Yeah.

00:27:34.065 --> 00:27:34.595
Let's go.

00:27:34.625 --> 00:27:36.154
Where is young Katie in first grade?

00:27:36.545 --> 00:27:37.315
First grade.

00:27:37.674 --> 00:27:39.765
So I am, I'm from Reno, Nevada.

00:27:39.825 --> 00:27:40.345
Oh, okay.

00:27:40.515 --> 00:27:40.785
Yeah.

00:27:40.786 --> 00:27:41.785
I've been through Reno.

00:27:41.805 --> 00:27:42.144
Have you?

00:27:42.204 --> 00:27:42.605
Just once.

00:27:42.724 --> 00:27:43.275
Yeah.

00:27:43.275 --> 00:27:43.795
Yeah.

00:27:43.994 --> 00:27:45.375
It reminds me actually a lot of here.

00:27:45.494 --> 00:27:46.924
Like we're the same altitude.

00:27:47.805 --> 00:27:49.714
The mountains are not as close here.

00:27:49.730 --> 00:27:50.829
Yeah.

00:27:50.829 --> 00:27:52.599
So I'm from Reno.

00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.240
Um, Sparks actually, which is like a little suburb.

00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:55.630
Okay.

00:27:55.630 --> 00:27:56.009
You know, yeah.

00:27:56.009 --> 00:27:57.130
It kind of blends together.

00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.299
Um, yeah, I have a sister.

00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:00.640
Is there water around there?

00:28:00.910 --> 00:28:02.619
Like a river that comes through Reno or something?

00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:02.839
Yeah.

00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:03.559
The Truckee River.

00:28:03.589 --> 00:28:04.799
So we get all of our water from there.

00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.890
It flows from Lake Tahoe all the way down to Pyramid Lake.

00:28:07.910 --> 00:28:08.509
Mm hmm.

00:28:08.539 --> 00:28:11.470
Um, and my dad goes fly fishing there all the time.

00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:11.710
Okay.

00:28:11.710 --> 00:28:12.279
Like three days a week.

00:28:12.289 --> 00:28:12.319
Nice.

00:28:12.320 --> 00:28:13.769
So, yeah, so there's a bunch of water.

00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.190
Um, yeah, ish.

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.000
So it's not like we, a lot of people think of Nevada and they're like, oh, big desert.

00:28:18.174 --> 00:28:18.585
That's lame.

00:28:18.644 --> 00:28:19.005
No.

00:28:19.015 --> 00:28:20.164
I mean, it's dry.

00:28:20.174 --> 00:28:20.694
Oh, for sure.

00:28:20.694 --> 00:28:20.795
It's very dry.

00:28:20.805 --> 00:28:22.105
Well, it's dry here, too.

00:28:22.105 --> 00:28:24.144
But at least we have horsetooth and pooter, right?

00:28:24.265 --> 00:28:25.474
But it's not like Vegas.

00:28:25.474 --> 00:28:28.005
I think everyone thinks of Vegas when they think of Nevada.

00:28:28.015 --> 00:28:28.345
Right.

00:28:28.384 --> 00:28:28.845
You know?

00:28:28.884 --> 00:28:30.674
Um, but it's not at all like that.

00:28:30.734 --> 00:28:32.005
So, set me the scene.

00:28:32.005 --> 00:28:33.674
Uh, what were your folks doing?

00:28:33.704 --> 00:28:34.055
Do you have a story?

00:28:34.055 --> 00:28:35.275
A bunch of siblings, anything like that?

00:28:35.275 --> 00:28:35.815
I do, yeah.

00:28:35.815 --> 00:28:37.535
So, my sister, I have an older sister.

00:28:37.595 --> 00:28:38.825
She is four years older.

00:28:38.835 --> 00:28:39.714
Her name is Summer.

00:28:39.724 --> 00:28:45.285
Um, and my parents, they've been married for 45 years this year, which is pretty cool.

00:28:45.285 --> 00:28:46.545
Yeah, so they're both pharmacists.

00:28:46.575 --> 00:28:48.484
They're retired now, living their best life.

00:28:48.484 --> 00:28:49.394
Do you want to mention their names too?

00:28:49.424 --> 00:28:50.434
Uh, Lauren and Beth.

00:28:50.484 --> 00:28:52.700
Lauren and Beth, and did they meet in pharmacy school?

00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:53.380
They didn't.

00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:55.059
My uncle is also a pharmacist.

00:28:55.529 --> 00:28:57.119
So they met through him.

00:28:57.579 --> 00:29:01.359
Um, and my dad saw my uncle and he's like, Ooh, I know what you look like.

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:01.829
I don't know.

00:29:01.849 --> 00:29:03.809
I don't want to date your sister.

00:29:04.450 --> 00:29:05.410
And then he saw my mom.

00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:09.079
He's like, okay, change of mind.

00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:10.170
Um, no.

00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:15.579
So my mom was in pharmacy school and, um, after my dad was, so they didn't meet in pharmacy school.

00:29:15.580 --> 00:29:16.460
Yeah.

00:29:16.819 --> 00:29:21.500
And were they the owners, like, of a, of a, you know, pharmacy or they just work for Walgreens or whatever?

00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:24.289
Yeah, you know, my dad did kind of that.

00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:29.680
He was like the behind the counter, fill your prescription, um, type of pharmacist for his entire career.

00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.299
My mom was kind of a badass, actually.

00:29:32.450 --> 00:29:32.480
Okay.

00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.690
Really, like, she was the chief of pharmacy for the Veterans Hospital.

00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:37.119
Oh, wow.

00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.519
Um, and so she ran the entire inpatient and outpatient pharmacy for years.

00:29:41.520 --> 00:29:41.539
Wow.

00:29:41.930 --> 00:29:45.490
Um, she was the president of the State Board of Pharmacy for a while.

00:29:45.769 --> 00:29:46.230
Wow.

00:29:46.269 --> 00:29:49.400
She was just always very involved, very go getter.

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:56.319
Um, well, and this is a little while ago too when you didn't see as many women taking those kind of power positions, right?

00:29:56.329 --> 00:29:56.789
Totally.

00:29:56.789 --> 00:30:02.660
And she definitely just took the bull by the horns and, yeah, and she's, I mean, same size as me.

00:30:02.660 --> 00:30:08.380
Like, she's a little bit taller, like 5'5 not big, you know, not big, blonde hair and just.

00:30:10.244 --> 00:30:12.505
She really is like, I want to be her when I grow up.

00:30:14.805 --> 00:30:15.954
So it was just you and your sister?

00:30:15.994 --> 00:30:17.125
It was just me and my sister.

00:30:17.494 --> 00:30:22.005
And so, um, yeah, we, how was that relationship four years older, it was kind of an awkward thing.

00:30:22.154 --> 00:30:22.315
Yeah.

00:30:22.315 --> 00:30:23.404
We were best friends, best friends.

00:30:23.805 --> 00:30:33.085
We, um, Not maybe always, but I think we hit this stage, defining moment, probably, um, we went to band camp together.

00:30:33.375 --> 00:30:37.174
We went to a music camp together for a month and it was back East.

00:30:37.174 --> 00:30:50.984
It was a Lutheran based music camp and we were roommates and, um, I wasn't supposed to be there because I wasn't old enough, but they let me, I played the violin growing up and so they let me like audition and they're like, okay, you're not that bad.

00:30:50.984 --> 00:30:51.865
Like come on.

00:30:51.954 --> 00:30:53.255
And so my parents.

00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.089
Flew us over to Val Preso, Indiana.

00:30:56.089 --> 00:30:56.119
Okay.

00:30:56.150 --> 00:31:01.250
And we set up shop for a month, and after that I feel like we were very, very close.

00:31:01.339 --> 00:31:01.400
Yeah.

00:31:01.670 --> 00:31:03.289
Um, so and what, how old were you at this time?

00:31:03.894 --> 00:31:05.815
I was going into 7th grade.

00:31:05.815 --> 00:31:06.375
Oh, okay.

00:31:06.865 --> 00:31:07.214
Very cool.

00:31:07.214 --> 00:31:08.035
Isn't that crazy?

00:31:08.115 --> 00:31:15.200
Were you a high achiever right from the start, like straight A's in 1st grade, 2nd grade, 3rd grade, pretty much?

00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:15.589
Uh, no.

00:31:15.589 --> 00:31:15.785
No?

00:31:16.664 --> 00:31:17.644
I think I was a high achiever.

00:31:17.644 --> 00:31:18.785
Like, I always wanted to be good.

00:31:18.795 --> 00:31:20.845
So I swam since I was little.

00:31:20.845 --> 00:31:26.755
And so I was a competitive swimmer all through high school, all through college, um, violin since I was three.

00:31:26.795 --> 00:31:27.005
Wow.

00:31:27.005 --> 00:31:28.654
So I did all of those things.

00:31:28.954 --> 00:31:41.394
School wise, I mean, I I did enough, you know, I feel like in high school, it kind of hit me like, okay, you got to like, actually start to work a little bit can just like cruise on pure talent, you know, so high school, it kind of turned around.

00:31:41.394 --> 00:31:46.224
I mean, I always got good grades, but it wasn't like you weren't striving to be the best at the school stuff.

00:31:46.734 --> 00:31:47.619
Yeah, I was more.

00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:48.865
Yeah, I wanted it.

00:31:48.865 --> 00:31:50.484
Yeah, I wanted to go and be good at swimming.

00:31:50.484 --> 00:31:52.095
I wanted to be good at music.

00:31:52.095 --> 00:31:52.954
I still played a violin.

00:31:53.539 --> 00:31:54.220
Not often.

00:31:54.221 --> 00:32:02.609
I would probably hurt my parents heart to hear that, but I know they're always like, go pick up your violin, play it for your kids, and it just, it's hard to pick it back up again.

00:32:02.619 --> 00:32:06.920
Yeah, I imagine it's also like, man, I was better when I was 12.

00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:08.319
Totally.

00:32:08.390 --> 00:32:09.069
That I am now.

00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:09.730
Totally.

00:32:09.730 --> 00:32:10.119
That's annoying.

00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:12.900
Well, and my dad started playing the violin with me.

00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:13.430
Oh, wow.

00:32:13.450 --> 00:32:18.500
So, he, I think he always wanted to play the violin and, um, music was a big thing for us.

00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:23.609
So, like, when we were little, my parents were like, okay, you need to pick an instrument, and I wanted to play the drums.

00:32:23.611 --> 00:32:26.450
And my parents were like, oh, try it.

00:32:26.450 --> 00:32:27.059
Try again.

00:32:28.144 --> 00:32:37.894
So, um, my dad started taking music lessons with me and so we went every week for our violin lesson together and he would take his lesson first and I would take my lesson second and That's really cool.

00:32:37.944 --> 00:32:38.964
Yeah, it really was.

00:32:38.964 --> 00:32:41.515
And like, he would practice on his lunch break in his car.

00:32:41.615 --> 00:32:42.085
Wow.

00:32:42.115 --> 00:33:02.464
So, I feel like He kind of set the tone for that, you know, and he was passionate about it, and he wasn't that great like love him dearly But he tried so hard he could read music very well, but you know, he's older He's not like as agile as my nimble little fingers After like three lessons, you're like way ahead of him.

00:33:02.464 --> 00:33:03.454
Yeah, totally.

00:33:03.454 --> 00:33:04.309
And so but he still Yeah.

00:33:04.309 --> 00:33:04.900
And he stuck with it.

00:33:04.900 --> 00:33:08.490
And that was for me, like, I always think that that was such a cool thing about him.

00:33:08.869 --> 00:33:09.200
You know?

00:33:09.230 --> 00:33:10.940
Cause I just like badass too.

00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:12.329
Yeah, he seriously is.

00:33:12.329 --> 00:33:19.730
I'm like, he, I mean, could you a picture, like, picture a 50 year old man in his car on his lunch break out in front of the grocery store practicing his violin?

00:33:20.019 --> 00:33:20.140
I love it.

00:33:20.141 --> 00:33:21.579
Like, I'm a pharmacist.

00:33:21.579 --> 00:33:22.660
I dig it.

00:33:22.940 --> 00:33:23.920
So that was pretty cool.

00:33:23.990 --> 00:33:25.269
What did your family do?

00:33:25.289 --> 00:33:30.859
Like, did you, um, were you outdoorsy, hikey, campy, fishy?

00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:31.234
Did you go out?

00:33:31.315 --> 00:33:32.865
Go on tours, vacations.

00:33:32.875 --> 00:33:35.505
Yeah, we did vacations, um, fairly often.

00:33:35.505 --> 00:33:36.545
A lot of road trips.

00:33:36.545 --> 00:33:39.444
I mean, we would go to Hawaii and kind of do that.

00:33:39.454 --> 00:33:41.555
My family was all in California or Nevada.

00:33:41.674 --> 00:33:41.974
Okay.

00:33:42.025 --> 00:33:45.914
So we spent a lot of time over in Sacramento or, you know, just kind of.

00:33:45.915 --> 00:33:47.835
So you're a full west coaster kind of, like west of the Mississippi.

00:33:48.075 --> 00:33:48.545
Uh huh.

00:33:48.595 --> 00:33:48.904
Yeah.

00:33:49.234 --> 00:33:50.884
Um, you know, Tahoe was super close.

00:33:50.894 --> 00:33:51.944
So we'd go up to Tahoe.

00:33:51.944 --> 00:33:54.835
Um, we didn't ski a ton like my parents did.

00:33:54.845 --> 00:33:56.494
Growing up, we did a little bit.

00:33:56.505 --> 00:33:56.525
Yeah.

00:33:56.924 --> 00:34:00.144
Um, but we more, I mean, we Swim meets every single weekend.

00:34:00.285 --> 00:34:04.664
We know they were always driving us somewhere to get to a swim meet or and we're really like distance.

00:34:04.664 --> 00:34:14.335
We were a sprinter Uh, I did 100 butterfly so I was a butterflier and then I did that 200 im So that's all four of the strokes.

00:34:14.405 --> 00:34:15.034
OK, Yeah.

00:34:15.364 --> 00:34:15.844
I've seen that before.

00:34:15.864 --> 00:34:16.125
Yeah.

00:34:16.335 --> 00:34:18.025
So that was kind of where I live so not.

00:34:18.074 --> 00:34:23.965
I was like more mid distance and then I would sprint for butterfly but everything else was not, Not my forte.

00:34:23.974 --> 00:34:24.641
Yeah, fair enough.

00:34:24.641 --> 00:34:25.344
Do you still swim?

00:34:25.784 --> 00:34:26.554
Uh, I don't.

00:34:26.556 --> 00:34:27.085
Not much?

00:34:27.085 --> 00:34:27.804
I don't, no.

00:34:27.804 --> 00:34:28.735
I work out a lot.

00:34:28.744 --> 00:34:28.764
Yeah.

00:34:28.766 --> 00:34:30.755
Um, usually every day, but I don't swim.

00:34:30.815 --> 00:34:32.344
I kind of got out of that.

00:34:32.655 --> 00:34:39.295
It's harder to now, like, get to the pool, and then you're drenching wet, and you gotta go to work, so you gotta, you know, kind of the layers to it.

00:34:39.385 --> 00:34:39.724
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:39.724 --> 00:34:41.730
Um, so I Do you love swimming when you're in the water?

00:34:41.731 --> 00:34:43.039
I do.

00:34:43.219 --> 00:34:43.719
I do.

00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.719
I will tell you a very embarrassing story.

00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:56.809
I, well, maybe it's not that embarrassing, but the last summer, last summer, Olympics, we were in Utah and it was my husband and I and my parents and I went to Walmart and I bought myself a swim cap.

00:34:57.054 --> 00:35:02.994
and goggles, and I got in the pool, and I made my husband time me, and I swam 100 IM.

00:35:03.425 --> 00:35:03.844
Oh, cool.

00:35:03.846 --> 00:35:07.364
And so it was actually pretty fun, so I love it in those situations.

00:35:07.375 --> 00:35:09.594
How much slower were you from your high school times?

00:35:09.596 --> 00:35:10.554
Oh, I, it wasn't great, but.

00:35:11.715 --> 00:35:12.065
That's cool, though.

00:35:12.605 --> 00:35:15.175
Yeah, and then you're sore for like a week afterwards, you know?

00:35:15.175 --> 00:35:15.445
Yeah.

00:35:15.514 --> 00:35:20.014
Man, I played pickleball on Sunday afternoon with some friends, and it had been the first time in a while.

00:35:20.025 --> 00:35:20.534
Yeah.

00:35:21.045 --> 00:35:21.994
I was all sore.

00:35:21.994 --> 00:35:23.385
I felt like I played basketball.

00:35:23.494 --> 00:35:23.815
Uh huh.

00:35:24.144 --> 00:35:26.135
Yeah, I really can't bounce back from that sometimes.

00:35:26.135 --> 00:35:27.925
Just wait until you're about 20 years old.

00:35:27.925 --> 00:35:35.574
Um, so you knew you were going to be a dentist by the time you were getting ready to be done with high school?

00:35:35.655 --> 00:35:37.505
Or, uh, what was it?

00:35:38.184 --> 00:35:40.014
Yeah, you know, I was probably six, actually.

00:35:40.025 --> 00:35:40.505
Really?

00:35:40.514 --> 00:35:41.255
Yeah, I really was.

00:35:41.295 --> 00:35:43.364
Um, and I just, I loved my dentist.

00:35:43.364 --> 00:35:44.505
Like, loved them.

00:35:44.505 --> 00:35:45.304
I loved going.

00:35:45.304 --> 00:35:46.514
I loved the experience.

00:35:46.514 --> 00:35:47.985
They just made me feel good.

00:35:48.094 --> 00:35:48.364
Good.

00:35:48.364 --> 00:35:49.594
It was like a fun place to be.

00:35:49.605 --> 00:35:49.775
Yeah.

00:35:50.054 --> 00:35:51.795
Um, maybe The dentist itself?

00:35:51.815 --> 00:35:52.925
Himself or herself?

00:35:52.945 --> 00:35:53.675
Or the The whole thing.

00:35:53.675 --> 00:35:54.048
The office?

00:35:54.048 --> 00:35:54.422
The experience?

00:35:54.422 --> 00:35:55.375
Yeah, the whole thing.

00:35:55.385 --> 00:35:56.974
Like, it was it was a pediatric dentist.

00:35:57.014 --> 00:35:57.315
Okay.

00:35:57.465 --> 00:35:59.019
Um, I don't know.

00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:00.480
I just, I never had a cavity.

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.730
So maybe that was a piece of it.

00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:03.550
Like I would just go for, get my teeth clean.

00:36:03.659 --> 00:36:07.469
You know, I did have a tooth extracted one time, but so I never had a bad experience.

00:36:07.820 --> 00:36:11.530
Um, everybody was just always so kind and in a good mood and cheerful.

00:36:11.530 --> 00:36:18.559
And, you know, so I truly was like six years old and people would ask me what I wanted to be when I was older and I wanted to be a dentist and that never changed.

00:36:18.809 --> 00:36:27.554
So it, you know, obviously like there were, I'm sure as I got older, I probably thought about other things or whatever, but truly that's all I wanted to do.

00:36:28.005 --> 00:36:32.824
And like, do you have to go to college for something else first and then go to dental college?

00:36:32.894 --> 00:36:33.255
Yeah.

00:36:33.525 --> 00:36:33.974
Or whatever?

00:36:33.974 --> 00:36:34.195
Yeah.

00:36:34.204 --> 00:36:37.385
You have to get like a BA in what, like biology or something?

00:36:37.425 --> 00:36:37.744
Yeah.

00:36:37.744 --> 00:36:40.324
It doesn't matter what you get your degree in.

00:36:40.355 --> 00:36:41.014
a political science?

00:36:41.014 --> 00:36:41.574
You totally can.

00:36:41.844 --> 00:36:41.974
Okay.

00:36:42.175 --> 00:36:43.126
Um, and so a lot of people actually.

00:36:43.126 --> 00:36:44.284
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

00:36:44.284 --> 00:36:46.675
What a welfare program for the university system that is.

00:36:47.144 --> 00:36:50.755
Well, some people do, like, they go in, like, I think, what was another one?

00:36:50.784 --> 00:36:51.344
Um.

00:36:52.394 --> 00:36:54.764
Uh, philosophy.

00:36:54.855 --> 00:36:55.264
Right.

00:36:55.414 --> 00:37:02.101
Um, so a lot of people would do like philosophy or psychology or any, anything else and then you just have to do.

00:37:02.101 --> 00:37:02.893
I see psychology helping.

00:37:02.893 --> 00:37:03.090
Yeah.

00:37:03.090 --> 00:37:04.994
Or sociology I think would always be a really good one too.

00:37:05.355 --> 00:37:07.914
Um, but a lot of people would just not do biology.

00:37:07.914 --> 00:37:10.655
I just did straight up biology because you have to have prerequisites.

00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.639
So, in order to go to dental school, you check off everything.

00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.869
You pretty much check off all the prerequisites that you need with that.

00:37:16.179 --> 00:37:16.440
Yeah.

00:37:16.449 --> 00:37:24.170
Plus some, but then like, you know, if you were doing sociology, then you'd have to have whatever to fulfill that, you know, degree plus Some more of these anatomy things and different stuff.

00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:24.699
Yeah.

00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.019
Plus all those prerequisites.

00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:27.534
So, it's actually, you know.

00:37:28.164 --> 00:37:30.085
I think a little harder and roundabout way.

00:37:30.164 --> 00:37:32.364
And then what's, uh, and where was this by the way?

00:37:32.894 --> 00:37:37.114
Yeah, so I went to Cal Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks, California.

00:37:37.244 --> 00:37:38.224
Is that like Northern California?

00:37:38.304 --> 00:37:39.114
It's Southern.

00:37:39.364 --> 00:37:39.505
Yeah.

00:37:39.505 --> 00:37:44.735
So it's kind of in between like Malibu and it sounds awful, I know, but Malibu and Santa Barbara.

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:45.900
That doesn't sound awful.

00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:47.090
Uh, no, it doesn't at all.

00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:47.690
It was great.

00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:48.900
It's a little bit more inland.

00:37:48.909 --> 00:37:51.230
Um, it's kind of considered like the valley.

00:37:51.309 --> 00:37:52.530
That's the way people prefer.

00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:56.639
Yeah, so like where Westlake is, Moorpark, Thousand Oaks, it's all kind of lumped in together.

00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.929
Man, it's so crazy being around California.

00:37:58.929 --> 00:38:05.074
My wife and I were, uh, in San Diego, I guess, about this time last year, April, I think, and just, you know.

00:38:05.085 --> 00:38:05.105
Yeah.

00:38:05.235 --> 00:38:17.494
Driving around through some of the hills and valleys and regions around there, it's like, like everything's like packed full, like driving around Colorado, there's all these mountain slopes and stuff and they're just wide open, there's nothing anywhere and they're like halfway full.

00:38:17.525 --> 00:38:18.005
Totally.

00:38:18.025 --> 00:38:18.295
Yeah.

00:38:18.335 --> 00:38:19.175
It's a cool place.

00:38:19.184 --> 00:38:19.275
Yeah.

00:38:19.275 --> 00:38:21.375
I don't think I would ever raise a family there.

00:38:21.385 --> 00:38:23.494
I mean, it would be very difficult, but it's fun to go and visit.

00:38:23.554 --> 00:38:23.824
Yeah.

00:38:23.835 --> 00:38:24.275
For sure.

00:38:24.324 --> 00:38:25.974
Four years there was awesome.

00:38:25.985 --> 00:38:26.005
Yeah.

00:38:26.074 --> 00:38:27.394
Um, beautiful.

00:38:27.394 --> 00:38:29.644
I mean, not, there weren't very many bad days.

00:38:29.644 --> 00:38:31.934
It's usually like sunny, it smells good.

00:38:31.934 --> 00:38:33.534
And was your family like?

00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:34.460
Extra Lutheran?

00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:37.829
Is that why the Cal Lutheran thing after the Lutheran music camp and stuff?

00:38:37.849 --> 00:38:39.090
Yeah, so we are Lutheran.

00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:40.079
I was raised Lutheran.

00:38:40.099 --> 00:38:42.699
Um, my grandfather was a Lutheran minister.

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.099
And, um, so that was kind of ingrained, you know, growing up.

00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.429
I looked at a bunch of different schools.

00:38:49.429 --> 00:38:51.829
I, um, looked to swim at different schools.

00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.219
Right.

00:38:52.219 --> 00:38:57.059
So I looked at Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount and places in Texas and things like that.

00:38:57.061 --> 00:38:58.039
Like a scholarship swimmer?

00:38:58.090 --> 00:38:58.519
Yeah.

00:38:58.519 --> 00:38:58.550
Okay.

00:38:58.750 --> 00:39:04.800
And, um I just, I don't know, I walked on to this campus and I was determined to not go there.

00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.125
Like my mom's like, let's just go look, and I walked on and I was like Damn it.

00:39:09.195 --> 00:39:13.074
Like, I I want to the place for me.

00:39:13.074 --> 00:39:18.503
Like, I pictured myself in these big, huge schools, you know, like I wanted a school of 20, 000.

00:39:18.503 --> 00:39:20.755
Right, in a city somewhere, with a city close by at least.

00:39:20.755 --> 00:39:23.804
And Cal Lutheran is 3, 000.

00:39:23.815 --> 00:39:23.835
Yeah.

00:39:23.844 --> 00:39:33.744
It might be more students now, but 3, 000, you know, like you could walk from like one end to the other in 10 minutes, you know, but it was just one of those like nagging feelings that I had.

00:39:33.755 --> 00:39:34.585
Like, no, this is the place.

00:39:34.635 --> 00:39:35.574
This is where you're going to go.

00:39:35.574 --> 00:39:36.465
You better accept it.

00:39:36.864 --> 00:39:40.304
We had a Concordia College across the road from North Dakota State where I went.

00:39:40.864 --> 00:39:41.764
Kind of a similar model.

00:39:41.864 --> 00:39:47.764
You know, there's, I think there's Lutheran colleges all over the country that are like that two, three, four thousand student population.

00:39:47.914 --> 00:39:48.074
Yeah.

00:39:48.074 --> 00:39:48.405
Yeah.

00:39:48.405 --> 00:39:50.554
They're not like, I don't know if that's considered small.

00:39:50.735 --> 00:39:51.164
I don't know.

00:39:51.164 --> 00:39:54.105
It, it felt small, but it was nice because you knew everybody, you know.

00:39:54.105 --> 00:39:59.184
Well, we have actually, uh, Jamestown University where I'm from is a, is a Lutheran seeded college as well.

00:39:59.425 --> 00:39:59.664
Yeah.

00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:00.869
So they are kind of all over.

00:40:00.875 --> 00:40:03.780
I think that they're more kind of Midwest ish.

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:03.900
Yeah.

00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:06.135
But that's where, you know, a lot of Lutheran Yeah.

00:40:06.135 --> 00:40:07.440
That's where Lutheran people live.

00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:07.679
Yeah.

00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:12.630
Um, but yeah, so Cal Lutheran and there's one up in, where is that?

00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:14.760
I don't know, outside of Portland or something like that.

00:40:14.764 --> 00:40:15.434
Washington.

00:40:15.514 --> 00:40:15.994
A couple of West coast.

00:40:16.505 --> 00:40:17.164
Yeah.

00:40:17.164 --> 00:40:18.164
Yeah, exactly.

00:40:18.164 --> 00:40:18.715
But I loved it.

00:40:18.715 --> 00:40:19.255
And I liked it.

00:40:19.255 --> 00:40:20.655
It was Division III.

00:40:20.655 --> 00:40:26.264
So I could still do all of my school and get good grades because I knew I was going to go to dental school by then.

00:40:26.266 --> 00:40:28.514
So that was like my top priority at the time.

00:40:28.875 --> 00:40:32.335
And then I could also still entertain, like I did orchestra.

00:40:32.335 --> 00:40:36.815
So I had a scholarship for orchestra and I could still do that and I could still take lessons.

00:40:36.815 --> 00:40:37.815
And you could still compete well without dentistry.

00:40:37.885 --> 00:40:40.105
Swimming 64 hours a week.

00:40:40.434 --> 00:40:40.804
Exactly.

00:40:40.954 --> 00:40:46.364
So then I could do all of those things and I could still graduate in four years with a good GPA.

00:40:46.375 --> 00:40:51.054
And so I was kind of, kind of forward thinking that maybe I was very mature of me in hindsight.

00:40:51.054 --> 00:40:51.784
I think so.

00:40:51.905 --> 00:40:52.425
Yeah.

00:40:52.574 --> 00:40:52.875
Yeah.

00:40:53.014 --> 00:40:53.344
It doesn't surprise me.

00:40:53.565 --> 00:40:53.655
Yeah.

00:40:53.655 --> 00:40:55.025
It was, it was honestly awesome.

00:40:55.025 --> 00:40:56.815
I would not change that at all.

00:40:56.844 --> 00:40:57.894
And I loved it.

00:40:58.085 --> 00:41:03.494
So it was like super competitive to get into dental schools or yes, um, I think even more so now.

00:41:03.514 --> 00:41:04.355
Very competitive.

00:41:04.375 --> 00:41:06.875
Um, I applied to.

00:41:08.630 --> 00:41:09.150
Oh, really?

00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:09.619
Oh, yeah.

00:41:09.630 --> 00:41:12.460
I mean, I just applied kind of all over the place.

00:41:12.829 --> 00:41:22.719
Um, and you know, getting into dental school, it's, you have to have the GPA, you have to have the letters of recommendation, you have to have all of the extracurriculars, right?

00:41:22.730 --> 00:41:26.550
And then you have to take a DAT, which is your dental admissions test.

00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.019
So it's kind of like the MCAT, um, for medical school.

00:41:30.224 --> 00:41:30.525
Okay.

00:41:30.715 --> 00:41:33.795
Um, and so you have to have a certain score for that.

00:41:34.255 --> 00:41:41.135
Um, and so then you go and then you have to interview and you have to be somewhat normal for the most part and interview well and all of the things.

00:41:41.494 --> 00:41:44.405
Um, so I, I only got two interviews, which is crazy.

00:41:44.425 --> 00:41:45.025
Oh really?

00:41:45.025 --> 00:41:45.594
Which is crazy.

00:41:45.625 --> 00:41:47.135
Was your score good on your MCAT?

00:41:47.385 --> 00:41:48.655
Uh, it was okay.

00:41:48.655 --> 00:41:49.364
It wasn't great.

00:41:49.375 --> 00:41:52.965
And I think that's where, I know that's probably what happened, but it doesn't matter.

00:41:52.965 --> 00:41:54.295
I got in and it was awesome.

00:41:54.295 --> 00:41:55.244
So I went to UNLV.

00:41:55.244 --> 00:41:55.835
for dental school.

00:41:55.835 --> 00:41:57.545
Okay, which is in Vegas?

00:41:57.554 --> 00:41:57.985
In Vegas.

00:41:58.034 --> 00:41:58.344
Okay.

00:41:58.344 --> 00:41:58.635
Yeah.

00:41:58.644 --> 00:42:13.844
Which was cool because in state, um, You got that state or that, ah, city feel like you wanted, I got in state tuition, and I was yeah, in a big city and you know, all the things, it was a great dental school, I freaking loved it like it taught us so many cool things and I wouldn't change that for the world either, it was awesome.

00:42:14.014 --> 00:42:17.534
And did you already find your fellow before dental school or you found him there?

00:42:17.536 --> 00:42:18.405
No, yeah I found him there, yeah.

00:42:18.414 --> 00:42:18.744
Okay.

00:42:18.746 --> 00:42:18.985
So.

00:42:19.045 --> 00:42:20.315
We sat next to each other.

00:42:20.355 --> 00:42:24.605
So, uh, he always says like, that was the best assigned seat I ever had early on.

00:42:24.844 --> 00:42:25.255
Oh yeah.

00:42:25.255 --> 00:42:28.505
Like we probably the first day I was like, Oh, you're kind of cute.

00:42:28.525 --> 00:42:29.985
He was, he's super funny.

00:42:30.014 --> 00:42:39.215
Like, he's just like kind of a quirky personality, like so sweet, so kind, but just funny, like the stuff that comes out of his mouth and like, I like you.

00:42:39.394 --> 00:42:47.394
And so, um, I was very studious, so I put my earplugs in and I just get down to business and, you know, doing all the stuff in the lab and he's just talking to me like, Hey, what's up?

00:42:47.394 --> 00:42:55.054
Like, so we dated actually for probably three and a half years in dental school.

00:42:55.054 --> 00:43:03.894
And then I went to Texas for my residency for pediatrics and then he ended up in Oklahoma for his residency for oral surgery.

00:43:04.204 --> 00:43:05.074
That's part of kind of the.

00:43:05.164 --> 00:43:08.548
The deal when you're a doctor or a dentist or whatever, you kind of go somewhere for that part.

00:43:08.548 --> 00:43:11.364
Yeah, where we match is, yeah, kind of a, kind of a thing.

00:43:11.364 --> 00:43:15.105
So, I, um, yeah, we separated ways for a little while.

00:43:15.105 --> 00:43:17.735
We didn't date, well, for, I don't know, three, four years.

00:43:17.735 --> 00:43:18.795
You didn't date anybody else?

00:43:18.875 --> 00:43:19.880
I did, and he did.

00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:20.385
Oh, oh, okay.

00:43:20.414 --> 00:43:24.985
Yeah, so we, I, I didn't think we were going to circle back and end up married with two kids.

00:43:25.014 --> 00:43:25.855
But here we are.

00:43:25.894 --> 00:43:25.965
That's cool.

00:43:25.985 --> 00:43:27.574
And it worked out, yeah.

00:43:27.614 --> 00:43:31.625
So tell me about what's, Next for you, you said you went to, what did you say, Oklahoma?

00:43:32.034 --> 00:43:34.175
Uh, I went to, he went to Oklahoma, yeah.

00:43:34.175 --> 00:43:41.835
So I went to Baylor in Texas, um, and their dental school, all of that is in, um, not Waco, it's actually in Dallas.

00:43:41.965 --> 00:43:42.235
Okay.

00:43:42.505 --> 00:43:46.085
So I was in Dallas for two years, just doing all pediatrics.

00:43:46.094 --> 00:43:47.505
So I was at the children's hospital there.

00:43:47.545 --> 00:43:48.005
Oh, wow.

00:43:48.045 --> 00:43:52.175
Um, which was really cool because you see, I mean, healthy, wonderful kids.

00:43:52.175 --> 00:43:53.735
Were you already angling toward pediatrics?

00:43:53.885 --> 00:43:55.014
Pediatric dentistry?

00:43:55.074 --> 00:43:55.284
Okay.

00:43:55.755 --> 00:43:56.324
Yeah, so.

00:43:56.335 --> 00:43:58.114
regimental bit in the dental college.

00:43:58.114 --> 00:43:59.715
So you do four years of dental school.

00:43:59.715 --> 00:43:59.869
Okay.

00:43:59.869 --> 00:44:01.364
And you come out as a general dentist.

00:44:01.364 --> 00:44:01.394
Okay.

00:44:01.394 --> 00:44:04.934
So everybody leaves dental school, you, you can go out and practice as a general dentist.

00:44:04.934 --> 00:44:13.300
And then if you want to specialize, so if you want to be an oral surgeon, if you want to be a pediatric dentist, if you want to be root canal specialist, endodontics, whatever, you have to do oral dentistry.

00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:14.699
That's where the residency really comes in.

00:44:14.701 --> 00:44:15.289
I see.

00:44:15.289 --> 00:44:18.800
So you have to do that to be able to say, I am a pediatric dentist.

00:44:18.989 --> 00:44:21.159
And then after that you get your board certification.

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.909
So then you get to call yourself a board certified pediatric dentist.

00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:24.269
Yeah.

00:44:24.449 --> 00:44:28.260
Um, so yeah, so it's a lot of school, but it was worth it.

00:44:28.349 --> 00:44:33.250
How would you contrast, uh, living in Las Vegas to living in Dallas?

00:44:35.710 --> 00:44:37.079
Oh, good question.

00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:51.429
Um, Vegas is weird, you know, and it really is like you could see someone walking down the street with a boa constrictor around their neck in a teeny tiny outfit, and you would not bat an eye, because that's just normal for Vegas, right?

00:44:51.769 --> 00:44:59.719
I mean, you have access to so many cool restaurants, you have access to cool shows, it's a very transient population, you know, it's a very interesting population.

00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:00.119
Right, right.

00:45:00.170 --> 00:45:00.570
Um.

00:45:01.269 --> 00:45:01.739
It was fun.

00:45:01.750 --> 00:45:04.469
It was fun while we were there, but I mean, we were in the thick of it.

00:45:04.489 --> 00:45:06.500
Like, you were at home studying most of the time.

00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:08.099
It's not like we lived on the strip, you know?

00:45:08.300 --> 00:45:08.639
Right, right.

00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.023
Like, we weren't totally It's a special occasion when you do anything like that.

00:45:11.023 --> 00:45:12.750
Yeah, and you didn't have any money either, you know?

00:45:12.751 --> 00:45:13.019
Right, right.

00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:21.610
So, you were just like student loan poor, and so when you could go out, you'd go to the local Thai restaurant down the street, and that was probably better than most other places.

00:45:21.610 --> 00:45:21.858
Right.

00:45:21.858 --> 00:45:22.853
It was probably amazing.

00:45:22.853 --> 00:45:23.650
But, um, yeah.

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:24.619
So, that was, it was fun.

00:45:24.619 --> 00:45:27.039
It was fun for what it was You didn't really take full advantage of Vegas.

00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:27.050
No.

00:45:27.050 --> 00:45:28.809
But it was It was enough.

00:45:28.900 --> 00:45:29.190
Yeah.

00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:29.829
It was enough.

00:45:29.829 --> 00:45:34.179
And I think that we, yeah, I think you could probably get into a lot of trouble in Vegas, you know.

00:45:34.181 --> 00:45:34.469
I'm sure.

00:45:34.469 --> 00:45:35.539
A lot of people have.

00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:36.000
Yeah.

00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.449
So.

00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:37.900
I loved Dallas.

00:45:37.940 --> 00:45:40.070
I would move to Dallas again in a heartbeat.

00:45:40.099 --> 00:45:41.289
Really loved it.

00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:42.679
The people, they were my people.

00:45:42.690 --> 00:45:43.969
Like they were so nice.

00:45:43.969 --> 00:45:46.900
Like I would walk down the street and people would be like, hi, how are you?

00:45:46.929 --> 00:45:47.920
Can you believe this weather?

00:45:47.929 --> 00:45:49.777
I'm like, are you talking to me?

00:45:49.777 --> 00:45:51.690
So I loved it.

00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:54.650
Like it was just, I don't know, people would hug you all the time.

00:45:54.650 --> 00:46:00.965
You got kind of some Yeah, my hair got bigger and blonder, like, I freaking loved it.

00:46:00.994 --> 00:46:04.625
Um, good restaurants again, like, it was just a fun vibe, you know?

00:46:04.625 --> 00:46:15.184
And I lived kind of in the middle of everything, so I could walk out of my apartment and I could go walk down and, you know, go see a movie if I wanted, or go have a glass of wine with some friends, or, you know, it was just like a fun stage of life.

00:46:15.195 --> 00:46:16.434
And were you having, like, any problems?

00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.250
Phone calls or anything with your now husband?

00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:20.130
What's his name by the way?

00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:20.889
His name is Josh.

00:46:20.900 --> 00:46:21.389
Hi Josh.

00:46:21.530 --> 00:46:21.739
Yeah.

00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:22.599
He's awesome.

00:46:22.630 --> 00:46:24.159
So you're doing your Dallas thing.

00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:25.369
Occasionally dating boys.

00:46:25.371 --> 00:46:25.800
Yeah.

00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.269
Whatever single dentist, pediatric dentist residents do.

00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:29.679
Yep.

00:46:29.980 --> 00:46:31.300
Uh, what's after Dallas?

00:46:32.175 --> 00:46:34.005
I moved back to Reno, actually.

00:46:34.094 --> 00:46:34.454
Yeah.

00:46:34.454 --> 00:46:35.695
So I moved back to Reno.

00:46:35.704 --> 00:46:40.144
I started practicing in my childhood pediatric dental office.

00:46:40.155 --> 00:46:41.554
So it all kind of came full circle.

00:46:41.945 --> 00:46:44.574
Um, so I practiced there for a year.

00:46:44.614 --> 00:46:50.465
Um, and I lived in Reno for three years before we moved here.

00:46:50.804 --> 00:46:50.965
Okay.

00:46:51.114 --> 00:46:58.155
Um, so I was there for three years, Josh and I rekindled our love and we did long distance for about two years, actually.

00:46:58.295 --> 00:46:59.324
What was the rekindle?

00:46:59.655 --> 00:47:00.585
It was a text.

00:47:00.594 --> 00:47:04.413
He texted me and he reached out and I was like, all right, do you ever think about me?

00:47:04.413 --> 00:47:05.195
Yeah, kind of.

00:47:05.295 --> 00:47:07.885
I mean, no, he was just like, Hey, how are you?

00:47:07.885 --> 00:47:09.284
And I was like, what the heck?

00:47:09.664 --> 00:47:11.554
Um, it was, it was weird.

00:47:11.565 --> 00:47:14.014
Like I, it was totally crazy.

00:47:14.025 --> 00:47:16.505
And, um, I remember one day.

00:47:16.505 --> 00:47:28.625
So I told you I'm Lutheran and you know, I'm a very faith based person and I remember driving to work and And I was like, okay, if this is supposed to happen, like, I need a sign because I broke up with this guy years ago.

00:47:28.675 --> 00:47:28.985
Right?

00:47:29.014 --> 00:47:30.565
Like, we went our separate ways.

00:47:30.565 --> 00:47:31.494
We dated other people.

00:47:31.494 --> 00:47:32.545
Like, what the hell?

00:47:32.855 --> 00:47:33.735
And I'm not kidding you.

00:47:33.764 --> 00:47:40.715
20 minutes later, he texts me and was like, Hey, I have a vacation coming up and I haven't had one in two years.

00:47:41.324 --> 00:47:41.965
Let's meet.

00:47:42.264 --> 00:47:43.585
And I was like, okay.

00:47:44.255 --> 00:47:44.625
I guess.

00:47:44.625 --> 00:47:45.114
Yeah.

00:47:45.135 --> 00:47:45.835
And so, yeah.

00:47:46.164 --> 00:47:48.594
And so we actually went wine tasting in California.

00:47:48.594 --> 00:47:50.304
We met for a weekend and hung out.

00:47:50.315 --> 00:47:50.534
It was.

00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.099
so much fun and after that I was like, all right, we're getting married.

00:47:53.139 --> 00:47:54.610
Like this is, this is it.

00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:55.239
That's pretty cool.

00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:55.659
It's funny.

00:47:56.780 --> 00:48:01.349
Well, my wife told her mom, like after our first or second date, she's like, he's the guy I'm going to marry.

00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:04.264
And it was just like, and I, you know, I was like, Whatever.

00:48:04.264 --> 00:48:04.815
You're cool.

00:48:05.034 --> 00:48:05.244
You know.

00:48:06.954 --> 00:48:07.244
Yeah.

00:48:07.244 --> 00:48:07.815
No, I wasn't.

00:48:07.815 --> 00:48:09.434
I was actually pretty spittin as well.

00:48:09.824 --> 00:48:09.945
Yeah.

00:48:09.945 --> 00:48:12.715
But, but I didn't feel in the same way.

00:48:12.724 --> 00:48:12.875
Yeah.

00:48:12.945 --> 00:48:15.364
Uh, but she's frankly more of a faith led person as well.

00:48:15.375 --> 00:48:15.655
Yeah.

00:48:15.704 --> 00:48:15.954
Yeah.

00:48:15.954 --> 00:48:17.715
It was just like a very interesting, I don't know.

00:48:17.715 --> 00:48:18.344
It was just weird.

00:48:18.344 --> 00:48:21.724
And I was living with my sister and her husband and their kids at the time.

00:48:21.726 --> 00:48:23.304
And they were cracking up.

00:48:23.304 --> 00:48:26.614
They're like, Katie, like you, you were just like struck down by a lightning bolt.

00:48:27.045 --> 00:48:28.005
You kind of have to go and listen.

00:48:28.005 --> 00:48:29.355
And let me see what it's all about.

00:48:29.355 --> 00:48:30.184
And I'm like, okay.

00:48:30.804 --> 00:48:32.780
And was it just like, by the end of that.

00:48:33.170 --> 00:48:37.679
weekend in wine country, or like, yeah, yeah, it's like, he was living where at this point?

00:48:37.699 --> 00:48:38.550
he was in Oklahoma.

00:48:38.570 --> 00:48:40.829
So he was finishing up his surgical residency.

00:48:40.829 --> 00:48:42.940
He still had like two full years left.

00:48:42.949 --> 00:48:48.769
Oh my, so he's got a little longer stretch Yeah, so oral surgeons go to school for four to six years after dental school.

00:48:48.809 --> 00:48:55.456
Oh wow! And so he was on, he had just finished his And so he was still, I mean, just grinding out.

00:48:55.456 --> 00:48:58.255
Is that depending on how much you got, like, education and residency?

00:48:58.255 --> 00:48:59.855
So you gotta do both things, or why?

00:48:59.985 --> 00:49:01.664
So you can choose two different tracks.

00:49:01.684 --> 00:49:04.344
So one track is you can go and you can get your M.

00:49:04.344 --> 00:49:04.795
D.

00:49:04.894 --> 00:49:06.324
after dental school.

00:49:06.324 --> 00:49:09.657
And so they come out as doctors, dentists, full on medical, yep.

00:49:09.657 --> 00:49:10.967
Full on medical, yep.

00:49:10.967 --> 00:49:11.295
Yep.

00:49:11.295 --> 00:49:17.775
And then you can choose the other route where you still do the same training, but you don't do the two years of medical school.

00:49:17.844 --> 00:49:18.105
Right.

00:49:18.114 --> 00:49:19.724
So he did the two years.

00:49:19.934 --> 00:49:20.755
dental side.

00:49:20.755 --> 00:49:22.074
He didn't go and get his MD.

00:49:22.445 --> 00:49:24.885
Um, he can still do all of the same things.

00:49:24.885 --> 00:49:25.784
Can I still call him doctor?

00:49:25.795 --> 00:49:26.934
You can still call him doctor.

00:49:26.936 --> 00:49:27.615
Dr.

00:49:27.615 --> 00:49:28.295
Josh.

00:49:28.295 --> 00:49:28.974
Dr.

00:49:28.974 --> 00:49:29.655
Josh.

00:49:29.655 --> 00:49:32.324
Hope I never have to see him in a professional capacity.

00:49:32.324 --> 00:49:32.445
That's right.

00:49:32.454 --> 00:49:33.224
He's a great guy though.

00:49:33.224 --> 00:49:34.965
Good bedside manner if you need a neurosurgeon.

00:49:35.215 --> 00:49:43.264
So you guys kind of make this decision to, to rekindle and Go somewhere else other than Reno and or Oklahoma.

00:49:43.264 --> 00:49:45.255
Is that kind of what how this shook out?

00:49:45.534 --> 00:49:46.144
Pretty much.

00:49:46.184 --> 00:49:47.284
I mean, we didn't have kids.

00:49:47.335 --> 00:49:50.414
Um, I did not love the job that I was in.

00:49:50.445 --> 00:49:54.054
And so even at this childhood place, it wasn't as good as you remember.

00:49:54.144 --> 00:49:57.394
It wasn't, um, different, different people had kind of owned it at this point.

00:49:57.394 --> 00:49:59.795
point and, um, just wasn't great.

00:49:59.804 --> 00:50:01.585
So I was like, Oh, go anywhere.

00:50:01.585 --> 00:50:02.014
I'll do it.

00:50:02.014 --> 00:50:04.224
You know, when I was so in love, I was just like, I don't care.

00:50:04.235 --> 00:50:09.385
Like I'll leave my whole family, all my aunts, uncles, sibling, all the things, and I didn't care.

00:50:09.815 --> 00:50:12.255
Um, tell me about the process of deciding, like.

00:50:13.170 --> 00:50:14.519
Where to go or whatever.

00:50:14.579 --> 00:50:14.639
Yeah.

00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.159
Like Right, because you guys are having phone calls all the time.

00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:17.219
Yeah.

00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:17.940
And whatever.

00:50:18.030 --> 00:50:18.090
Yeah.

00:50:18.090 --> 00:50:25.019
You know, I been together for a long weekends I suppose, and stuff like that, back and forth for, I mean, 30 something trips in one year.

00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:25.920
Oh gosh.

00:50:26.010 --> 00:50:29.070
Um, I would, every weekend I was like, okay, let's go and see Joe, Josh.

00:50:29.369 --> 00:50:29.969
Card miles.

00:50:29.969 --> 00:50:30.570
Yeah.

00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:36.159
Um, so, I don't know, he, he looked in Reno, like, I truly, I wanted to stay by my family more than anything.

00:50:36.210 --> 00:50:39.349
Um, but he looked and there just wasn't great opportunity.

00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:50.369
I wasn't in a position that I, yeah, I mean, I think he could have pieced something together, but I don't think that it was anything for him that he, that he wanted at the time.

00:50:50.369 --> 00:50:51.739
He didn't want to start his own business.

00:50:51.739 --> 00:50:53.000
He didn't want to go down that route.

00:50:53.010 --> 00:50:56.340
He didn't find anyone that felt like a good fit as far as like a business partner.

00:50:56.789 --> 00:50:57.019
Right, right.

00:50:57.019 --> 00:50:59.190
Um, so it just didn't make sense.

00:50:59.489 --> 00:51:03.210
And then for me, I was in a practice that I didn't necessarily love.

00:51:03.210 --> 00:51:06.219
So then it became, okay, do I start my own practice?

00:51:06.590 --> 00:51:08.480
Or, you know, do I stay here?

00:51:08.489 --> 00:51:09.980
Like, what do I do, you know?

00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:14.099
And so we just kind of sat down and we knew we wanted to be West Coast only.

00:51:14.539 --> 00:51:17.960
Um, we kind of looked at cities, like we wanted to be near an airport.

00:51:18.230 --> 00:51:23.300
Um, you know, we like to travel and I wanted to be able to go back and see my family and, you know, whatever else.

00:51:23.300 --> 00:51:24.639
So we went and looked in.

00:51:25.105 --> 00:51:25.755
Seattle.

00:51:25.764 --> 00:51:28.215
We went and looked in Northern Colorado or California.

00:51:28.304 --> 00:51:31.264
We came out here, we went to Portland.

00:51:31.695 --> 00:51:37.355
Um, we looked in Texas, actually, we looked in Oklahoma, Dallas.

00:51:37.355 --> 00:51:37.664
Yes.

00:51:37.675 --> 00:51:38.934
He was like, it's not going to be the same.

00:51:39.244 --> 00:51:41.775
Um, but seriously, so we looked everywhere.

00:51:42.445 --> 00:51:46.715
He found a job here that he really liked the guy that he would be working with.

00:51:47.085 --> 00:51:50.815
Um, we liked the area, obviously DIA is pretty darn close.

00:51:51.155 --> 00:51:53.005
Um, and we just.

00:51:53.469 --> 00:51:54.039
Decided.

00:51:54.050 --> 00:51:55.579
We were like, well, all right, let's just do it.

00:51:55.989 --> 00:51:58.539
And I mean, it's not as complex when you have kids either, you know?

00:51:58.539 --> 00:52:03.340
So it's like, okay, you just have the two of us and we were young and in love and, you know, about to get married.

00:52:03.340 --> 00:52:04.360
So we're like, screw it.

00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:07.599
And honestly, like you could move back if, you know, it wasn't a right fit either.

00:52:07.610 --> 00:52:09.030
And that landed you here when?

00:52:09.030 --> 00:52:11.199
Gosh, 2018.

00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:11.610
Okay.

00:52:11.659 --> 00:52:12.639
October of 2018.

00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:16.179
And so he had this job already kind of lined up and you were kind of.

00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:17.920
into the marketplace at that point?

00:52:18.409 --> 00:52:20.820
So I found a job before I moved out here, actually.

00:52:20.989 --> 00:52:23.039
So I worked for an office for five years.

00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.030
Um, and I just kind of knew I wanted to do my own thing.

00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.579
Um, you know, and if it worked out, it was great.

00:52:28.579 --> 00:52:30.500
You know, I loved the person that I worked with.

00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:31.929
Um, you share who that is?

00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:32.789
Uh, Jill.

00:52:33.010 --> 00:52:33.849
Shanka is her name.

00:52:33.860 --> 00:52:35.349
She's at Windsor Pediatric Dentistry.

00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:35.909
She's awesome.

00:52:35.909 --> 00:52:40.199
Yeah, and we, you know, we worked great together and we had a lot of similarities.

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:44.010
We had a lot of differences, um, but that's good sometimes, you know?

00:52:44.090 --> 00:52:48.139
And, um, I just, I knew I always wanted to do my own thing.

00:52:48.139 --> 00:52:49.400
So she's probably kind of your favorite.

00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.309
friendly competitor at this point because she's Windsor Pediatric, your Timmoth Kids, right?

00:52:53.309 --> 00:52:56.880
Yes, yeah, and you know, she's got a big, she's got a very big office.

00:52:57.219 --> 00:53:02.389
She's got a couple doctors that work for her and um, so I'm not, you know, you're not threatening her yet.

00:53:02.389 --> 00:53:03.280
No, not at all.

00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:12.894
And um, I think, like, we have different kind of patient populations, too, based on insurance or based on, you know, I think, honestly, people like to stay in Timnath when they're from Timnath.

00:53:12.905 --> 00:53:13.315
Totally.

00:53:13.355 --> 00:53:15.344
People like to stay in Windsor Yeah, 100%.

00:53:15.346 --> 00:53:15.394
You know?

00:53:15.394 --> 00:53:21.920
I could never imagine leaving Windsor and going to Timnath for my kid's dentist or leaving Timnath to go to Windsor for my kid's dentist.

00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.405
But it's only like 10 minutes or so.

00:53:23.425 --> 00:53:23.644
Right.

00:53:23.644 --> 00:53:23.934
You know?

00:53:24.275 --> 00:53:25.514
It's really not that big of a deal.

00:53:25.784 --> 00:53:26.375
I'm just weird that way.

00:53:26.375 --> 00:53:28.065
I won't drive for a haircut either.

00:53:28.065 --> 00:53:28.344
See?

00:53:28.346 --> 00:53:28.574
See?

00:53:28.574 --> 00:53:31.074
So I don't know, but yeah, so I was there for five years.

00:53:31.414 --> 00:53:33.454
Um, I was there through COVID, which was crazy.

00:53:33.914 --> 00:53:39.454
I was there, um, we had two premature babies and so I was there through that, which was wild.

00:53:40.074 --> 00:53:40.465
I did.

00:53:40.465 --> 00:53:40.695
Yeah.

00:53:40.695 --> 00:53:40.815
Okay.

00:53:41.394 --> 00:53:44.585
So I had two babies, um, that were born at 32 weeks.

00:53:44.585 --> 00:53:46.445
So my son, how far are they supposed to go?

00:53:46.525 --> 00:53:47.224
Uh, 40.

00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:47.829
Okay.

00:53:47.831 --> 00:53:48.949
Yeah.

00:53:48.949 --> 00:53:49.199
Yeah.

00:53:49.201 --> 00:53:49.929
They're pretty small.

00:53:49.929 --> 00:53:50.179
Yeah.

00:53:50.179 --> 00:53:51.260
He was four pounds.

00:53:51.429 --> 00:53:53.139
Um, and then our daughter, same thing.

00:53:53.139 --> 00:53:55.400
So yeah, 32 weeks, four pounds.

00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:55.780
Yeah.

00:53:55.780 --> 00:53:59.579
Um, totally healthy, but they just apparently wanted to meet us early.

00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:03.340
Um, I think it's a me thing, not a them thing, but there's, you know, there's that.

00:54:03.389 --> 00:54:03.619
Yeah.

00:54:03.739 --> 00:54:04.130
Um.

00:54:04.139 --> 00:54:05.429
Well, it's better than 10 weeks too late.

00:54:05.429 --> 00:54:06.190
Yeah, exactly.

00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:06.539
See, that would be uncomfortable.

00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:07.400
14 pound babies.

00:54:07.510 --> 00:54:07.889
That's right.

00:54:08.909 --> 00:54:09.420
Like what you'd rather have.

00:54:10.349 --> 00:54:11.010
I don't know.

00:54:11.010 --> 00:54:11.489
I don't know.

00:54:11.489 --> 00:54:16.860
But yeah, so we lived in the NICU for a while, so I was actually able to take kind of an extended maternity leave, which was really nice.

00:54:17.269 --> 00:54:19.829
Um, something you can't do when you're in practice by yourself.

00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:20.340
Right, right.

00:54:20.349 --> 00:54:28.309
So that was actually like a really cool gift that she gave me and that I was able to be sitting in a hospital with my premature babies, you know?

00:54:28.369 --> 00:54:28.619
Yeah.

00:54:29.090 --> 00:54:34.510
Um, when this, you said you kind of always wanted to do your own thing or the itch guts thing.

00:54:34.585 --> 00:54:40.514
stronger over time maybe, but what was that process like of like, are you writing business plans?

00:54:40.514 --> 00:54:41.844
You're doing market research.

00:54:41.844 --> 00:54:46.005
Are you thinking about, Oh, maybe Timnath, maybe severance would be something we should do.

00:54:46.295 --> 00:54:46.644
Yeah.

00:54:46.934 --> 00:54:51.894
I mean, honestly, it was, there was not like one, you know, distinct moment.

00:54:51.894 --> 00:54:55.114
I think it kind of started right before COVID.

00:54:55.114 --> 00:54:57.284
And I, I always wanted to be in Timnath.

00:54:57.344 --> 00:54:58.735
Always I would drive over there.

00:54:58.775 --> 00:55:03.355
We lived in Fort Collins and I would drive over there and I would just look.

00:55:03.644 --> 00:55:05.005
And there's not a ton over there.

00:55:05.224 --> 00:55:09.775
It's like you could flip an old house and make it like a cute little dental office or, you know, whatever.

00:55:10.284 --> 00:55:16.025
Um, and then I started looking in Loveland because there's not a ton of pediatric dentists in Loveland either.

00:55:16.574 --> 00:55:24.385
So I started looking there and I almost, um, kind of settled on a space in Loveland probably a week before COVID happened.

00:55:25.135 --> 00:55:29.364
And, um, Thank goodness I didn't because COVID happened.

00:55:29.744 --> 00:55:32.804
And so I, um, I was very grateful for that.

00:55:33.894 --> 00:55:43.364
So I, I had a business plan, you know, years ago, it was 2020, I'd had my business plan all written up and, you know, freshened it up with a new address, first demographics.

00:55:43.815 --> 00:55:45.735
And so I pulled all the demographics.

00:55:45.735 --> 00:55:46.695
I looked at all of that.

00:55:46.695 --> 00:55:54.094
I was working with, um, somebody that just did, you know, commercial real estate and he was dental specific commercial real estate and he's based out of Denver.

00:55:54.094 --> 00:55:55.074
He was awesome.

00:55:55.074 --> 00:56:00.679
And, um, He couldn't find anything in Timnath, and I just kept being like, no, I need something in Timnath, like, I want to be in Timnath.

00:56:01.349 --> 00:56:02.260
Had you moved to Timnath?

00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:03.300
Yeah, so we lived in Timnath.

00:56:03.300 --> 00:56:03.559
Already did.

00:56:03.820 --> 00:56:08.880
Uh huh, yeah, and I, I mean, there was nobody there, and the area, you could just watch the growth happen.

00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:09.210
Right.

00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:12.809
And so, two elementary schools, and no pediatric dentist.

00:56:13.210 --> 00:56:14.885
Um, so, yeah, I Yeah.

00:56:15.014 --> 00:56:16.644
I always, always wanted to be there.

00:56:16.644 --> 00:56:21.614
So I was doing, like, kind of dabbling, I guess, in, you know, kind of the development of the business.

00:56:21.614 --> 00:56:26.414
Like, I didn't know what it would be called, or my colors, or my logo, or anything like that.

00:56:26.425 --> 00:56:30.835
But I had kind of a basic sense of, you know, and I'd worked at multiple other offices.

00:56:30.844 --> 00:56:34.385
So you can kind of pull the good and the bad and the, Yeah, best practices from the best ones.

00:56:34.385 --> 00:56:35.014
Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:35.025 --> 00:56:39.655
That was like a cool gift that I never realized that I had for six plus years, you know?

00:56:39.704 --> 00:56:42.764
Talk to me about systems a little bit in the dentistry field.

00:56:42.764 --> 00:56:43.894
Like, you know.

00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:51.329
In small business, we all have like CRMs and we've got sometimes project management platforms and different, you know, ERP systems for bigger businesses.

00:56:51.329 --> 00:56:52.550
What do dentists do?

00:56:53.019 --> 00:56:53.460
Yeah.

00:56:53.460 --> 00:56:58.460
So kind of from a bigger perspective, I mean, we have patient management software, right?

00:56:58.469 --> 00:57:00.440
So industry specific, I imagine.

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.409
Yeah, exactly.

00:57:01.429 --> 00:57:02.789
So there's multiple different ones.

00:57:02.789 --> 00:57:05.070
There's cloud based ones, there's server based ones.

00:57:05.550 --> 00:57:06.380
So we have that.

00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:08.630
And then there are patient engagement softwares.

00:57:08.630 --> 00:57:13.815
And so that manages like all of your text, all of your medical history, paperwork, um, all of that.

00:57:13.835 --> 00:57:18.224
Just contact stuff, send out blast reminders, schedule your appointment with Timmy.

00:57:18.264 --> 00:57:18.684
Uh huh.

00:57:18.715 --> 00:57:19.394
Exactly.

00:57:19.635 --> 00:57:21.744
Um, so those are kind of like the bigger things.

00:57:21.744 --> 00:57:28.175
And then like actually in office, I mean, we have, I got all sorts of typed up processes that are very specific.

00:57:28.184 --> 00:57:42.295
And I mean, Um, and so we try to use all of that time to put together training manuals, you know, for my next assistant that came in, or And is that all you, or are you involving your staff in it?

00:57:42.295 --> 00:57:43.875
I involve my staff a lot for that.

00:57:43.905 --> 00:57:49.094
Um, I had a lot of it done before, um, just kind of stuff that I could have done.

00:57:49.144 --> 00:57:49.304
Yeah.

00:57:49.454 --> 00:57:50.644
Um, but I like to involve them.

00:57:50.644 --> 00:58:05.735
I like them to have some of that Ownership and, you know, some of the autonomy, I like them to take that on themselves because when they're done, when they learn something about, you know, the process, I think a little bit more, um, but then they're able to teach somebody to like the next person that comes in, you know, and then they're kind of proud of it, you know?

00:58:05.764 --> 00:58:06.820
So it's, I think it's great.

00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:09.050
For the most part, we're pretty darn organized.

00:58:09.050 --> 00:58:11.000
I mean, we have a process for everything.

00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:20.570
I mean, we have, with pictures of how sterilization works and, you know, because with healthcare, you gotta keep everything very linear and very clean and, you know, all that.

00:58:20.570 --> 00:58:24.480
What's your biggest, uh, pain in the butt factor about your industry?

00:58:24.849 --> 00:58:27.769
Like, if you could change one thing to make it just less annoying.

00:58:29.610 --> 00:58:55.849
I think patient understanding, or for me, parent understanding, or, you know, just, I think there's a lot of Bad raps with dentistry and it's always, you know, something we just want your money or we're doing all these things We shouldn't be doing and you know, and that's not Like at least you would never I'm sure there's been people that have pulled teeth that didn't even need to be pulled Anywhere, right?

00:58:55.849 --> 00:58:57.869
Like you're gonna have somebody that is a chef.

00:58:57.869 --> 00:59:01.909
That is just not very good at being a chef You know, or you're gonna have a doctor somewhere.

00:59:01.909 --> 00:59:09.195
That is not a great doctor, you know But then you have the people who are good at dentistry Good and who are ethical and who are kind and loving and honest.

00:59:09.204 --> 00:59:13.894
And they, those are the people obviously that I see more of.

00:59:15.445 --> 00:59:17.965
And so I think, and there's a lot of just kind of miseducation too.

00:59:17.974 --> 00:59:21.335
Like it was like social media, love it, but also, you know, you get.

00:59:21.605 --> 00:59:26.085
Tick tock, putting out how to whiten your teeth with some crazy random thing.

00:59:26.204 --> 00:59:29.065
Yeah, or how to squat in apartments in New York or immigrate.

00:59:29.454 --> 00:59:37.824
Yes, and people think that that is like the number one way to get information these days, you know, and so you're getting all of this misinformation.

00:59:37.824 --> 00:59:38.784
Government needs to step in.

00:59:40.275 --> 00:59:43.625
See, TikTok, they're trying to get rid of it.

00:59:43.625 --> 00:59:47.364
I don't know about your Twitter, but, it's the same thing, we'll see.

00:59:47.925 --> 00:59:53.905
It's an interesting dynamic at play right now with the Supreme Court wing and kind of as we speak on that.

00:59:53.905 --> 00:59:54.644
Yes, yes.

00:59:54.675 --> 00:59:56.385
It'll be interesting to see the fallout of that.

00:59:56.434 --> 01:00:07.184
So I'm thinking we might be ready to go into the closing segments here with, uh, unless there's other things about your, your business journey that's really important to you.

01:00:07.425 --> 01:00:09.644
I guess one more question about, like.

01:00:10.184 --> 01:00:15.614
If you do it right, and probably you're gonna, um, Dennis can make a pretty good income.

01:00:15.625 --> 01:00:25.585
Do you have, like, thoughts of buying rental properties or investing in, or pay off the student loans first, probably, I guess is probably target number one as far as that goes?

01:00:25.585 --> 01:00:27.054
Yeah, student loans number one.

01:00:27.594 --> 01:00:29.125
Ten years of that and we'll talk about it.

01:00:29.215 --> 01:00:31.614
I drive an 05 Toyota 4Runner.

01:00:31.675 --> 01:00:34.695
And my husband drives a Toyota Corolla.

01:00:35.275 --> 01:00:45.070
You know, like, So we don't live this, like, luxurious, yeah, and honestly, I think even when we get to that point, I don't think that will ever be us.

01:00:45.070 --> 01:00:52.889
Like, I want to drive a nice car, I like to spend time with my family and go on fun vacations, eat nice dinner, drink nice wine, you know, things like that.

01:00:53.269 --> 01:00:53.900
Um, yeah.

01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:54.489
I don't know.

01:00:54.489 --> 01:00:58.929
I think my husband would probably answer it much differently because he's more like, I would love to have rental properties.

01:00:58.929 --> 01:01:01.260
I would love to have, you know, kind of all of those things.

01:01:01.610 --> 01:01:02.289
Um, but.

01:01:02.289 --> 01:01:04.000
You just want to make kids lives better.

01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:04.409
I do.

01:01:04.409 --> 01:01:05.239
And your parents lives easier.

01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:05.679
Like truly.

01:01:05.739 --> 01:01:05.980
Yes.

01:01:05.981 --> 01:01:06.570
A hundred percent.

01:01:06.570 --> 01:01:10.269
I would love to pay for my parents to go on a fun trip for a couple of weeks.

01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.119
I would love to, you know, like all of those cool things.

01:01:13.289 --> 01:01:16.860
So that would be much more where I would live rather than rent.

01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.340
And again, it's kind of, the plot thickens when you do all of that.

01:01:19.849 --> 01:01:22.230
You never know where you'll go really.

01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:22.639
Yeah.

01:01:22.795 --> 01:01:26.385
Well, I think we should take a two minute break, and then we will be back for the closing.

01:01:26.775 --> 01:01:27.114
Awesome.

01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:12.190
Once you fix your earring there.

01:02:12.190 --> 01:02:15.610
We are back all the way back.

01:02:16.141 --> 01:02:22.001
Um, faith, family politics is our mandatory conversation segments.

01:02:22.001 --> 01:02:24.240
Do you want to go in that order?

01:02:24.240 --> 01:02:26.181
Even you've talked about faith a little bit already.

01:02:26.181 --> 01:02:27.650
You want to jump in the family first?

01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:29.110
Whatever you want politics.

01:02:30.121 --> 01:02:32.940
I'm not great with, I don't seem like you're very interested.

01:02:33.791 --> 01:02:35.240
I mean, I'll listen.

01:02:36.275 --> 01:02:37.246
So, well, here's one.

01:02:38.106 --> 01:02:42.436
There's actually current events in, uh, your former hack, the, the swimming stuff.

01:02:42.436 --> 01:02:50.735
There's a lawsuit to try to get Leah Thomas, uh, removed from her medals and records as far as the women's swimming.

01:02:51.175 --> 01:02:52.076
Well, update me.

01:02:52.155 --> 01:02:52.576
Film me.

01:02:52.576 --> 01:02:54.023
I mean, I literally have Well, you know who Leah Thomas is, right?

01:02:54.023 --> 01:02:58.295
Yeah, but I've been, like, living over here in the Timothy's Dentistry, like, cave, so.

01:02:58.326 --> 01:03:18.291
Yeah, so just recently there's been a lawsuit of Riley Gaines and a few other people saying, Not only was this bullshit, but NCAA actually needs to make this right and like scrub this man's stuff off the record books and whatever and honor the places that other swimmers should have gotten.

01:03:18.860 --> 01:03:27.690
I don't know how it was going to break down, but Um, I do know that I think it's, well, so my, my most controversial joke was actually on that subject on this podcast.

01:03:27.990 --> 01:03:28.400
You want to hear it?

01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:28.650
No.

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:29.411
You don't want to hear it?

01:03:30.460 --> 01:03:31.041
It's too scary.

01:03:31.041 --> 01:03:36.451
I don't.

01:03:36.451 --> 01:03:37.061
Okay, we'll move on.

01:03:40.936 --> 01:03:45.695
You can go listen to the WALL E, the WALL E and, uh Did you get in trouble for that joke?

01:03:45.746 --> 01:03:46.786
No! No, no, no.

01:03:47.065 --> 01:03:47.826
I don't have any listeners.

01:03:48.056 --> 01:03:50.576
If people listen to me all the way to the end, they're going to get pissed off about something.

01:03:51.356 --> 01:03:51.766
Okay.

01:03:51.996 --> 01:03:53.255
You think, oh, yeah, you're safe.

01:03:53.626 --> 01:03:55.755
If you don't laugh, then, then, then, you're right.

01:03:55.766 --> 01:03:56.706
We're doing something wrong.

01:03:57.016 --> 01:04:03.806
Um, so, what was it, oh, if you don't think Leah Thomas is the rightful women's NCAA Swimming champion?

01:04:04.416 --> 01:04:05.576
Then you can suck her dick.

01:04:08.356 --> 01:04:09.496
My husband will appreciate that.

01:04:10.356 --> 01:04:13.085
See, again, he updates me on all of these things.

01:04:13.085 --> 01:04:16.835
Like, as a woman, and as a power woman, a boss lady.

01:04:16.976 --> 01:04:17.976
No, it pisses me off.

01:04:17.976 --> 01:04:20.085
100%.

01:04:20.085 --> 01:04:22.525
So we should just, like, not allow it, period?

01:04:22.706 --> 01:04:24.735
Or where do those people Swim then.

01:04:25.985 --> 01:04:41.956
That's a great question, and I, I don't have a great answer for that, but I, I think if you're putting a man into the pool with women, a man, you know, or a locker room, yeah, but I think that they're going to win most of the time, all of the time, you know, like just by pure testosterone.

01:04:41.956 --> 01:04:45.036
I mean, in swimming, you would beat me significantly because you have technique.

01:04:46.425 --> 01:04:47.365
But just power, right?

01:04:47.505 --> 01:04:48.065
Right, right, right.

01:04:48.065 --> 01:04:48.626
Like, I mean, just power.

01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:54.190
I'm confident that even though you work out a lot more than me, I could probably beat you up if my life depended on it.

01:04:54.201 --> 01:04:55.090
That is probably true.

01:04:55.090 --> 01:04:57.050
I don't want to have to, so don't make me.

01:04:57.050 --> 01:04:58.681
I don't know, I'm kind of scrappy, so.

01:04:58.880 --> 01:04:59.481
I believe it.

01:04:59.561 --> 01:05:01.150
I'm sure you can run faster than me too, so.

01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:02.331
That's probably true.

01:05:02.331 --> 01:05:04.400
You know, you get a good shot and you can just run.

01:05:05.010 --> 01:05:10.670
Um, but it's, I mean, honestly, I make light of it, but that's a scary thing, like.

01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:12.420
Like the Planet Fitness thing.

01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:12.900
You heard about that?

01:05:12.900 --> 01:05:12.920
No.

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:14.581
You know, it has current events too.

01:05:15.030 --> 01:05:15.681
Sorry.

01:05:16.061 --> 01:05:16.541
So, where?

01:05:16.911 --> 01:05:18.940
Up in the Northwest somewhere.

01:05:18.951 --> 01:05:19.371
Okay.

01:05:19.510 --> 01:05:34.795
Um, a lady at Planet Fitness said, Hey, there's, you know, a naked intact male that identifies as a woman shaving in the Women's bathroom sink and it's making me very uncomfortable.

01:05:34.795 --> 01:05:44.545
Yeah, and they were like, well, um, We can go ahead and cancel your membership if you don't like it And planet fitness's like market capitalization is off like 400 million.

01:05:44.545 --> 01:05:47.831
They're getting bud lighted now You know, which is a Yeah.

01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:48.271
That's a big deal.

01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:51.371
Scary for them because was this their company policy?

01:05:51.481 --> 01:05:59.931
Was this, this one employee that was an activist, but it doesn't matter if you're, if you got Planet Fitness stock in your portfolio, you noticed it.

01:06:00.931 --> 01:06:03.550
So as someone who has a daughter, right?

01:06:03.570 --> 01:06:11.440
Like I thinking about my daughter walking into a locker room or what, you know, like, and she's not choosing that.

01:06:11.451 --> 01:06:12.860
Like it's just there, you know?

01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:14.130
So that, that's very hard.

01:06:15.181 --> 01:06:18.260
Um, you said that your, uh, your husband would appreciate that joke.

01:06:18.260 --> 01:06:22.001
Is he a more political, uh, inclined person or whatever?

01:06:22.101 --> 01:06:22.420
Yes.

01:06:22.471 --> 01:06:22.760
Yep.

01:06:22.831 --> 01:06:29.170
And you're kind of whatever you don't disagree with them hard, but totally just don't care that much.

01:06:29.311 --> 01:06:30.710
Yeah, truly.

01:06:30.951 --> 01:06:36.126
Um, and honestly, like, I think right now too, kind of the space I'm living in is like, I have a one year old.

01:06:36.126 --> 01:06:37.056
I have a three year old.

01:06:37.065 --> 01:06:38.746
I have a brand new business.

01:06:38.746 --> 01:06:40.445
I have, you know, like 2005.

01:06:40.826 --> 01:06:42.186
Yeah, like That's right.

01:06:42.186 --> 01:06:43.425
That's right.

01:06:43.425 --> 01:06:51.545
I got all sorts of stuff going on right now, and I don't know, I've been trying to fill my, my plate in my mind with positive things, you know?

01:06:51.545 --> 01:06:58.695
And so I try to, I mean, I'm on social media for my business stuff, but I try not to scroll through social media and constantly see all that stuff.

01:06:58.695 --> 01:07:01.295
I try not to read stuff that I can't control, you know?

01:07:01.295 --> 01:07:13.731
So I'm trying to Just have control over that, you know, and I'm not I honestly like I've never had a huge and maybe that's Um, I've never had a huge interest in politics, um, and my husband loves it.

01:07:13.731 --> 01:07:14.791
And so I let him.

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:15.471
Yeah.

01:07:15.561 --> 01:07:15.900
Fair enough.

01:07:16.431 --> 01:07:21.360
One of my favorite questions, a stumper that I've been asking lately is, uh, who do you like for president in 2024?

01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.311
I can't answer.

01:07:27.590 --> 01:07:28.320
Kanye West.

01:07:28.661 --> 01:07:30.070
That's who I voted for in 2020.

01:07:33.561 --> 01:07:34.731
I don't think he's running this year.

01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:36.190
I think his name now is he.

01:07:36.190 --> 01:07:36.760
Uh, it's Ye, right?

01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:37.780
It's Ye.

01:07:37.780 --> 01:07:38.291
Yeah.

01:07:38.291 --> 01:07:41.510
Well, he's uh, there's kind of politics there, right?

01:07:41.530 --> 01:07:48.391
Like he's a some of his newest album, he says racist, anti semite, uh, bipolar.

01:07:48.990 --> 01:07:51.481
Uh, he mixes, he stirs the pot for sure.

01:07:51.501 --> 01:07:52.010
Oh yeah.

01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:53.690
He doesn't have much of a filter.

01:07:53.701 --> 01:07:54.440
He stirs, uh, no he does not.

01:07:54.521 --> 01:07:57.581
So, um, what do you say about Kanye, is he?

01:07:58.340 --> 01:07:59.291
An amazing artist.

01:07:59.291 --> 01:07:59.777
He was he.

01:07:59.777 --> 01:08:00.900
I love Kanye West.

01:08:01.101 --> 01:08:02.081
Old music.

01:08:02.150 --> 01:08:02.360
Okay.

01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:03.201
Truly love it.

01:08:03.260 --> 01:08:04.440
Like, I still listen to it.

01:08:04.451 --> 01:08:05.371
Have you listened to his new album?

01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:06.021
I have not.

01:08:06.070 --> 01:08:06.760
You need to.

01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:07.360
Yeah?

01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:08.561
Oh yeah.

01:08:08.561 --> 01:08:11.510
But Naked, Big Titty, Beautiful Women don't just fall out of the sky, you know.

01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.351
Uh, which is lifted from the movie Dogma.

01:08:14.581 --> 01:08:15.001
Okay.

01:08:15.070 --> 01:08:17.070
Uh, which could lead us back into Face.

01:08:17.261 --> 01:08:17.650
Oh my God.

01:08:17.711 --> 01:08:18.100
Okay.

01:08:18.131 --> 01:08:18.940
Oh, here we are.

01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:19.581
Here we are.

01:08:19.581 --> 01:08:20.451
Circle, circle back.

01:08:20.461 --> 01:08:21.621
Have you seen the movie Dogma?

01:08:21.631 --> 01:08:22.240
I have not.

01:08:22.240 --> 01:08:27.070
It's from like the Clerks, um You are probably going to judge me so hard, but I'm awful at movies too.

01:08:27.081 --> 01:08:32.501
Well, you've been like learning stuff your whole life 30s somewhere along the line.

01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:32.940
Office?

01:08:32.951 --> 01:08:33.430
Or what is it?

01:08:33.430 --> 01:08:36.001
I forget what the Jay and Silent Bob?

01:08:36.150 --> 01:08:36.511
Yes.

01:08:36.511 --> 01:08:37.211
Do you know who those guys are?

01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:38.310
I do know who they are.

01:08:38.350 --> 01:08:40.360
Okay, Dogma features Jay and Silent Bob.

01:08:40.810 --> 01:08:42.810
And Chris Rock comes falling out of the sky.

01:08:42.911 --> 01:08:43.100
Okay.

01:08:43.541 --> 01:08:53.081
Uh, and Uh, Jay had said, of course, cause Santa Bob doesn't say much, Jay said, well, uh, guys like us just don't fall in the sky, you know?

01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.680
And then Chris Rock comes like falling down to the ground and falls naked.

01:08:57.690 --> 01:09:00.841
He's a fallen angel, knows Jesus Christ from back in the day.

01:09:00.841 --> 01:09:01.211
Yep.

01:09:01.430 --> 01:09:08.990
And then the immediate response by, by Jay is, uh, Uh, butt naked beautiful woman.

01:09:08.990 --> 01:09:10.591
Big busted beautiful woman.

01:09:11.211 --> 01:09:16.291
Cause he's like, he said, guys like us don't just, and some dude just falls out of the sky and is like, Hey, let's, let's do this again.

01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.421
Anyway, that's, I hate to say it, but it's my favorite song.

01:09:20.461 --> 01:09:20.820
Is it?

01:09:20.921 --> 01:09:22.171
Yeah, cause I'm pretty sure he's talking about Kim Kardashian.

01:09:22.171 --> 01:09:23.791
I'll have to listen to it, probably.

01:09:24.930 --> 01:09:25.680
Probably is.

01:09:25.701 --> 01:09:27.711
But I do think that he is very talented.

01:09:27.711 --> 01:09:33.220
I think it's sad to see where he went from old Kanye into where he is now.

01:09:33.220 --> 01:09:34.610
He got off his meds, man.

01:09:34.921 --> 01:09:43.070
I mean, you get a little bit of, uh, complex with a little bit of bipolar action and you just never know where you're going to go.

01:09:43.100 --> 01:09:43.421
I know.

01:09:43.421 --> 01:09:48.331
It's just sad to watch and it's sad to see, you know, and he's got kids and he's got, you know, kind of all those things.

01:09:48.341 --> 01:09:50.440
So, but I do like him as an artist.

01:09:50.480 --> 01:09:51.131
Old Kanye.

01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:52.530
I love old Kanye music.

01:09:52.541 --> 01:09:53.230
You'll like the new Kanye too.

01:09:53.350 --> 01:09:53.671
Okay.

01:09:53.711 --> 01:09:54.900
I'll have to listen to it.

01:09:54.900 --> 01:09:55.480
We'll move on.

01:09:56.801 --> 01:10:00.105
Um, have you, uh, remained, uh, Luther?

01:10:00.666 --> 01:10:00.905
I have.

01:10:00.905 --> 01:10:02.206
You still go to the Lutheran Church?

01:10:02.206 --> 01:10:03.195
Is there one in Timmins?

01:10:03.426 --> 01:10:04.176
Uh, there's not.

01:10:04.176 --> 01:10:06.405
So we go to Redeemer Lutheran Church in Fort Collins.

01:10:06.405 --> 01:10:08.086
Okay, that's pretty south side Fort Collins there, right?

01:10:08.086 --> 01:10:09.475
Like, what, LeMay and something?

01:10:09.475 --> 01:10:14.136
Uh, it is Timberline and County Road, something.

01:10:14.145 --> 01:10:14.815
Something down there, yeah.

01:10:14.845 --> 01:10:16.565
It's past like Mormon Temple.

01:10:16.565 --> 01:10:19.706
Like, it's almost like Windsor, like heading out towards Windsor.

01:10:20.006 --> 01:10:21.095
Um, it's awesome.

01:10:21.095 --> 01:10:21.655
We've liked it.

01:10:21.655 --> 01:10:22.546
It's great for our kids.

01:10:22.546 --> 01:10:26.345
My son's going to start, uh, pre K there in September.

01:10:26.626 --> 01:10:27.685
So, yeah.

01:10:27.756 --> 01:10:28.225
So, yes.

01:10:28.235 --> 01:10:29.905
My wife and I got married in the, uh, St.

01:10:29.916 --> 01:10:32.725
John's Lutheran, I believe, uh, up here in Old Town.

01:10:32.796 --> 01:10:33.176
Yeah?

01:10:33.225 --> 01:10:33.475
Okay.

01:10:33.475 --> 01:10:34.105
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:34.105 --> 01:10:37.256
We actually, I think my husband and I went there when we first moved here.

01:10:37.256 --> 01:10:38.565
So, he was not Lutheran.

01:10:38.845 --> 01:10:39.036
Okay.

01:10:39.046 --> 01:10:40.666
Um, he's non denominational Christian.

01:10:40.735 --> 01:10:40.826
Okay.

01:10:40.886 --> 01:10:41.645
That's how he was raised.

01:10:41.655 --> 01:10:41.886
Fair.

01:10:42.015 --> 01:10:44.536
Um, and so, a lot of overlap, right?

01:10:44.546 --> 01:10:58.185
But I feel like with Lutheran churches, less like, you It's a little bit more formal, yeah, old school hymns, actually, well, in some of the readings and stuff, they kind of have these rhymy things and whatever, yeah.

01:10:58.185 --> 01:11:06.886
And so a lot of kind of good history with that, but I think it attracts, um, depending on the church, it attracts usually like an older crowd, right?

01:11:06.886 --> 01:11:08.746
So with Redeemer, it's not that way.

01:11:08.746 --> 01:11:15.645
Like there are people who are a little bit older, but there's also a ton of people that are our age that are in similar life stages, you know, younger.

01:11:15.645 --> 01:11:16.966
And so we really like that with it.

01:11:17.105 --> 01:11:22.076
In my previous chapter of life, I was actually a financial person for Thrivant Financial.

01:11:22.145 --> 01:11:22.395
Okay.

01:11:22.615 --> 01:11:22.805
Yeah.

01:11:22.905 --> 01:11:24.025
Which has all the Lutherans.

01:11:24.265 --> 01:11:24.615
Oh yeah.

01:11:24.615 --> 01:11:26.265
We had many accounts growing up with it.

01:11:26.506 --> 01:11:26.716
Right?

01:11:27.185 --> 01:11:31.916
So I know, I've heard about the, you know, the Missouri Synod versus the Wisconsin Synod and some of that stuff.

01:11:31.916 --> 01:11:33.225
I don't really know much about it.

01:11:33.435 --> 01:11:33.826
Yeah.

01:11:33.876 --> 01:11:39.105
I remember my mom always had like a little Thrivant box that we would put, um, coins in.

01:11:39.195 --> 01:11:39.615
Oh, cool.

01:11:39.685 --> 01:11:44.381
Uh, all the time, like sitting in our kitchen and it was It's quite an organization, really.

01:11:44.381 --> 01:11:44.730
Yeah.

01:11:44.730 --> 01:11:44.900
Yeah.

01:11:45.110 --> 01:11:45.551
Totally.

01:11:45.730 --> 01:11:46.150
Um.

01:11:46.211 --> 01:11:46.591
That's funny.

01:11:46.911 --> 01:11:56.310
Have you, like your husband's, uh, kind of the non denominational Christians, um, they have a moment where they're like, they accept Christ, right?

01:11:56.310 --> 01:11:59.740
They come to faith and usually are baptized later in life and stuff.

01:11:59.740 --> 01:12:07.730
Lutherans dunk you right away and then they just kind of assume you are unless you start smoking weed or, you know, whatever, having too many out of wedlock babies.

01:12:08.490 --> 01:12:12.110
Uh, is that like a, is there a decision point in your faith journey?

01:12:12.110 --> 01:12:12.131
Yeah.

01:12:12.131 --> 01:12:12.230
Totally.

01:12:13.350 --> 01:12:17.530
You know, I, no, I don't think there was like one moment.

01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:20.341
I think, um, I was always raised in that.

01:12:20.341 --> 01:12:22.180
So maybe that had a piece of it.

01:12:22.270 --> 01:12:25.030
Um, as I got older, I chose that.

01:12:25.030 --> 01:12:28.711
Like for me, there were like, when I, a lot of escape hatches on the way to here, right?

01:12:29.030 --> 01:12:29.661
Yeah, totally.

01:12:29.661 --> 01:12:54.970
And so I, I feel like I have this like, relationship with God where he's like my bestie, like I'll be driving in the car and I'm just like talking to him, like that's how I pray, you know, like some people it's very formal, it's very like, we have to be kneeling, we have to, yeah, and I just like talk to him, like he's just my best friend, you know, and so I've had moments over my life where I have felt him a Transcribed Right there.

01:12:55.001 --> 01:13:00.520
And like when I told you I made the decision to go to Cal Lutheran, like it was a moment that I could not ignore it.

01:13:00.530 --> 01:13:10.591
No, it were like the moment, like meeting my husband again, like, yes, like literally, and I have those moments that I'm like, I hear this voice, I have this feeling.

01:13:10.631 --> 01:13:13.161
And I don't think everyone experiences that.

01:13:13.161 --> 01:13:14.610
I know my husband's kind of the opposite.

01:13:14.610 --> 01:13:17.801
I know he like growing up, he was always kind of searching for that.

01:13:17.801 --> 01:13:18.940
Like, I want that best friend.

01:13:18.940 --> 01:13:25.480
I want that, you know, and, um, he would hear these people's stories kind of like mine, like, no, I feel this like huge presence.

01:13:25.530 --> 01:13:27.421
And, um, he never felt that.

01:13:27.461 --> 01:13:31.720
And so I, I think it was just a constant through my life where it was really hard for me to ever ignore.

01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:39.900
Even if I, And so I kind of held steadfast in that.

01:13:40.110 --> 01:13:40.301
Yeah.

01:13:40.581 --> 01:13:43.350
Does Josh come to Redeemer with you and kids then?

01:13:43.350 --> 01:13:44.671
He Does he have to convert?

01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:47.430
You have to become a Lutheran or do you just come if you want to come?

01:13:47.850 --> 01:13:48.121
Yeah.

01:13:48.411 --> 01:13:49.020
Um, yes.

01:13:49.020 --> 01:13:51.081
And so we have a lot of very similar beliefs.

01:13:51.291 --> 01:13:51.411
Sure.

01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:55.036
And so it's not like, you know, we are Well, Luther was the OG, right?

01:13:55.036 --> 01:13:55.451
Yeah.

01:13:55.451 --> 01:13:59.315
Like, he's the dude that, you Bang the 99 theses on the door.

01:13:59.855 --> 01:14:00.195
Yeah.

01:14:00.195 --> 01:14:03.605
And so, no, I mean, he would, I probably think he'd say he was Christian.

01:14:03.605 --> 01:14:05.605
I don't think he would say that he is Lutheran.

01:14:05.626 --> 01:14:05.845
Sure.

01:14:05.886 --> 01:14:07.136
I think he'd say I'm Christian.

01:14:07.475 --> 01:14:12.115
Um, but yeah, and I don't, it's not like I have to like pry him out of bed to go in the morning or anything like that.

01:14:12.115 --> 01:14:16.475
And so he definitely will, I mean, he goes to church with us all the time and.

01:14:16.961 --> 01:14:41.701
What would you say to, um, like, there's a whole bunch of people, you're kind of, as you would say, blessed, or you would say blessed, hopefully, to say you were raised in a Christian home and had this kind of consistent thing, what about those that either know nothing about it, nobody's ever talked about faith with them, or even worse, those that have been hurt by, uh, one of the many, many millions of hypocritical Christians, uh, in the world?

01:14:41.780 --> 01:14:44.631
Yeah, we actually have a lot of those in, uh, our family.

01:14:44.650 --> 01:14:47.501
Um, and that is a, that's a struggle for me.

01:14:47.501 --> 01:14:54.730
That's something where I want to grow in that to be able to speak, I think more freely of my faith and of, um, my love for Christ.

01:14:54.730 --> 01:15:08.871
And so I, I don't know, I think Um, praying about it, surrounding yourself with people and just kind of, um, I don't know, maybe going and experiencing that, you know, and kind of being like open to it, you know?

01:15:08.871 --> 01:15:18.310
And, um, we do have some, I mean, I have brothers in laws and sisters in laws and things like that that have been kind of shunned from the church or they've almost been, they've had some trauma around it, you know?

01:15:18.310 --> 01:15:19.051
Self shunned even or whatever.

01:15:19.051 --> 01:15:19.190
Yeah.

01:15:19.291 --> 01:15:29.680
And yeah, so from my side of things, like I, I kind of feel powerless in that, but I, I pray about it and I pray for them and I think there's a huge, huge, um, strength in prayer.

01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:29.720
Yeah.

01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:29.730
Yeah.

01:15:29.730 --> 01:15:29.740
Yeah.

01:15:30.150 --> 01:15:30.780
Yeah, cool.

01:15:31.261 --> 01:15:33.240
Um, what do listeners do for Easter?

01:15:33.270 --> 01:15:37.511
Uh, people won't hear this before Easter, but uh, we're coming up on Good Friday is tomorrow.

01:15:37.511 --> 01:15:38.801
We need ham! No.

01:15:40.890 --> 01:15:44.201
Do you have like any sunrise service y things or traditions like that?

01:15:44.360 --> 01:15:45.911
There are, there are sunrise services.

01:15:45.940 --> 01:15:47.850
Um, we don't, I don't go to those.

01:15:47.850 --> 01:15:49.121
I didn't go to those growing up.

01:15:49.131 --> 01:15:49.150
Yeah.

01:15:50.171 --> 01:15:51.421
But they're, they do offer that.

01:15:51.421 --> 01:15:54.161
I think those are usually more kind of the traditional type of services.

01:15:54.621 --> 01:16:02.051
Um, whereas we tend to go to more of kind of the contemporary, you know, a little bit more upbeat and yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:16:02.051 --> 01:16:05.060
But, um, no, so we go and it's kind of your traditional service.

01:16:05.060 --> 01:16:06.240
It's a little bit more packed.

01:16:06.671 --> 01:16:12.961
Um, and then afterwards we usually just get together with our friends or family or, you know, who's ever around or what's that?

01:16:12.961 --> 01:16:16.980
Oh, we go and someone else has made the ham, so I'm bringing a side this year.

01:16:18.190 --> 01:16:20.131
The ham, the potatoes, all of that.

01:16:20.131 --> 01:16:22.970
It's not our family, but it's kind of, they've kind of adopted us.

01:16:22.970 --> 01:16:35.551
We've made some good friends here and they have family and so we get included in all of their stuff and they actually go to church with us, um, randomly, uh, not by, I mean, it was kind of a coincidence, but yeah, so we kind of get to do all that together.

01:16:35.796 --> 01:16:37.506
Uh, let's bounce it to family.

01:16:37.645 --> 01:16:45.105
Um, you've talked a fair bit about your, your parents, about Josh, uh, what would you like to lead with?

01:16:45.786 --> 01:16:48.246
You know, we haven't talked about my two little ones.

01:16:48.265 --> 01:16:48.796
Not much.

01:16:48.796 --> 01:16:49.025
Yeah.

01:16:49.036 --> 01:16:49.055
No.

01:16:49.435 --> 01:16:51.876
We do, uh, we do one word descriptions.

01:16:51.956 --> 01:16:52.355
Oh, gosh.

01:16:52.376 --> 01:16:53.046
For the children.

01:16:53.055 --> 01:16:56.805
How, uh, if you wouldn't mind giving a name, an age, and a one word description.

01:16:56.815 --> 01:16:57.376
Yeah.

01:16:57.555 --> 01:16:58.336
I'll let you out of here.

01:16:58.426 --> 01:16:59.565
Luke is three and a half.

01:16:59.655 --> 01:16:59.985
Okay.

01:17:00.015 --> 01:17:00.775
Um.

01:17:02.155 --> 01:17:02.895
Luke.

01:17:02.975 --> 01:17:05.315
Man, what's a good descriptor for Luke?

01:17:05.735 --> 01:17:07.985
Luke is kind of, he's, he's quirky.

01:17:08.426 --> 01:17:09.286
That's how I would describe him.

01:17:09.586 --> 01:17:09.836
He is.

01:17:09.845 --> 01:17:10.926
He's into bowling right now.

01:17:10.945 --> 01:17:11.136
Okay.

01:17:11.145 --> 01:17:14.716
And uh, he, he dabbles in all sorts of different eclectic things.

01:17:14.725 --> 01:17:16.105
Very focused on it when he does.

01:17:16.136 --> 01:17:17.595
Yeah, very focused.

01:17:18.296 --> 01:17:23.216
Um, and then Ella, she's one and a half and Ella is spirited.

01:17:23.996 --> 01:17:25.235
That girl has got.

01:17:25.661 --> 01:17:26.610
Her mom's sass.

01:17:26.650 --> 01:17:29.631
How many, uh, does she got some words and stuff at that age?

01:17:29.631 --> 01:17:30.261
Is that right?

01:17:30.261 --> 01:17:33.570
I feel like just in the last two weeks, she has been just chatting it up.

01:17:33.570 --> 01:17:35.121
She calls my husband by his first name.

01:17:35.610 --> 01:17:41.511
And so you'll hear her in her room in the morning, Josh, he's like, you've got to start, stop calling me.

01:17:41.511 --> 01:17:42.980
I'm like, I don't know what else to call you.

01:17:42.990 --> 01:17:44.980
Like, I'm not going to call you daddy.

01:17:44.980 --> 01:17:45.862
Yeah, exactly.

01:17:45.862 --> 01:17:48.945
You might like it, but like, yeah.

01:17:50.095 --> 01:17:50.115
Yeah.

01:17:50.435 --> 01:17:55.926
And so she's just like, Josh, you know, she just has him wrapped around her finger.

01:17:55.926 --> 01:17:59.166
It's so funny, but she is just watching.

01:17:59.166 --> 01:18:04.626
I think the difference in Luke developing and her developing, I don't know if it's boy versus girl.

01:18:04.626 --> 01:18:06.926
I don't know if it's first child versus second child.

01:18:06.945 --> 01:18:08.315
I don't know if it's just like their DNA.

01:18:09.055 --> 01:18:11.136
I don't know, but it's fun to watch.

01:18:12.060 --> 01:18:17.320
Oh my gosh, she cracks me up and she's going to give me a run for her money for my money for sure.

01:18:17.551 --> 01:18:25.310
So when you were talking about kind of this long distance love affair and figuring out where you're going to move together for the rest of your lives.

01:18:25.381 --> 01:18:25.671
Yeah.

01:18:25.831 --> 01:18:32.310
It was really obvious to me that at that moment in life you were like super smitten and super in love and super engaged.

01:18:32.650 --> 01:18:32.680
Yep.

01:18:33.780 --> 01:18:41.416
More so probably than when you kind of just, you know, Let it go after three and a half years of dating back in, uh, Thousand Oaks.

01:18:42.216 --> 01:18:44.025
Talk to me about that experience.

01:18:45.105 --> 01:18:46.166
Um, which piece of it?

01:18:46.576 --> 01:18:48.176
You know, just kind of that contrast.

01:18:48.176 --> 01:18:52.475
And maybe it was a very, uh, strong love relationship.

01:18:52.490 --> 01:18:55.801
there at first, but maybe you just weren't ready to have that would be maybe one of it.

01:18:55.801 --> 01:18:56.011
Yeah.

01:18:56.020 --> 01:18:57.331
I think I matured a lot.

01:18:57.461 --> 01:19:02.570
Um, uh, like dental school, I think you were just, you were in the trenches, you know, you were grinding it out.

01:19:02.570 --> 01:19:04.350
We were taking eight tests every week.

01:19:04.390 --> 01:19:06.501
We were, I'm not kidding, pulling all nighters.

01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:07.820
I got not enough time to follow.

01:19:08.190 --> 01:19:09.030
It was crazy.

01:19:09.030 --> 01:19:10.360
And I, I loved him.

01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:11.761
He had so many wonderful qualities.

01:19:11.770 --> 01:19:15.220
Like he is the kindest, um, just most thoughtful.

01:19:15.791 --> 01:19:17.730
Caring, wonderful man.

01:19:17.740 --> 01:19:18.730
He's so well rounded.

01:19:18.740 --> 01:19:20.570
He is the most intelligent man I have ever met.

01:19:20.581 --> 01:19:23.701
Like you guys would probably like get along, you need to meet him.

01:19:23.701 --> 01:19:24.310
He's awesome.

01:19:24.921 --> 01:19:25.680
Um, yes.

01:19:25.701 --> 01:19:32.680
And he, uh, he had so many wonderful qualities, but I just don't think I was, I don't think I appreciated him at that moment, you know?

01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.041
And for those years, like I think he was there.

01:19:35.060 --> 01:19:39.006
Three or four years of dating other douchebags would have made it easier.

01:19:39.006 --> 01:19:39.470
Totally.

01:19:39.470 --> 01:19:41.251
My grandma's like, where's that Josh guy?

01:19:41.291 --> 01:19:41.501
Bring him back.

01:19:41.501 --> 01:19:43.201
My grandma would be listening to this.

01:19:44.485 --> 01:19:46.886
Grandma's up in heaven, so, you know, it's fine.

01:19:46.895 --> 01:19:48.935
But she, she loved him.

01:19:48.935 --> 01:19:49.956
My mom loved him.

01:19:49.966 --> 01:19:51.576
My, like, everybody loved Josh.

01:19:51.576 --> 01:19:53.305
He's, he's just, he's very lovable.

01:19:53.305 --> 01:19:55.845
And so I just wasn't ready for that, you know?

01:19:55.845 --> 01:19:57.595
And so I think I matured.

01:19:57.595 --> 01:19:59.225
I think, yeah, I dated different people.

01:19:59.225 --> 01:20:00.855
I think he dated different people.

01:20:00.855 --> 01:20:05.286
I think, you know, we kind of came back to together as like better versions of ourselves.

01:20:05.345 --> 01:20:05.525
Yeah.

01:20:05.525 --> 01:20:05.756
Yeah.

01:20:06.136 --> 01:20:12.166
What would he say about like that conversation?

01:20:12.176 --> 01:20:14.576
Like was he kind of pining over you for this?

01:20:14.996 --> 01:20:16.756
Three or four years that you were separated?

01:20:16.756 --> 01:20:20.426
Yeah, he, he calls it the He finally built up the nerve to No, no, not at all.

01:20:20.426 --> 01:20:21.565
He calls it the dark times.

01:20:21.565 --> 01:20:23.176
He's always like, oh yeah, the dark times.

01:20:23.805 --> 01:20:28.926
Um, but I, I mean, I, I broke up with him and, um, just kind of moved on.

01:20:28.926 --> 01:20:29.578
Right, right.

01:20:29.578 --> 01:20:32.956
And he, he ended up dating other people and he was fine.

01:20:32.956 --> 01:20:34.315
I mean, he's a strong person.

01:20:34.435 --> 01:20:35.706
He would figure it out, you know.

01:20:35.706 --> 01:20:42.211
And I mean, he's handsome, he is But he didn't, he didn't Ever have a question about if he wanted to be with you in the same way?

01:20:42.211 --> 01:20:44.451
I don't think so.

01:20:44.451 --> 01:20:46.430
I mean, I'd like to say no.

01:20:46.430 --> 01:20:47.150
I don't know.

01:20:47.150 --> 01:20:48.240
I'm going to go home and ask him.

01:20:49.081 --> 01:20:49.631
Maybe.

01:20:49.631 --> 01:20:52.060
I'm sure he probably had his doubts after I dumped him.

01:20:52.060 --> 01:20:52.341
Right.

01:20:52.390 --> 01:20:52.701
Right.

01:20:52.751 --> 01:20:58.570
Um, but I, I think when we did it gently, you're like, listen, we're moving on.

01:20:59.131 --> 01:21:00.140
You're not that great.

01:21:00.161 --> 01:21:01.581
No, he was that great.

01:21:01.581 --> 01:21:03.850
I just, I was not.

01:21:03.881 --> 01:21:04.190
Yeah.

01:21:04.850 --> 01:21:05.881
He deserved better.

01:21:05.911 --> 01:21:06.320
Darn it.

01:21:07.876 --> 01:21:11.746
But I don't know, I don't actually, I don't think I've ever actually asked him that like pointed question.

01:21:12.076 --> 01:21:18.796
Um, or maybe I just kind of skirt around it and I like to assume that he just, you know, was thinking of me every day for those years.

01:21:20.315 --> 01:21:22.145
Talk about the extended family a little bit.

01:21:23.536 --> 01:21:30.286
You mentioned some, your sister of course, but brothers in laws and things, are they, are you guys the only clump that's here nearby?

01:21:30.376 --> 01:21:33.055
So it's just Josh and I and our kids that are here.

01:21:33.076 --> 01:21:34.496
My family's all in Reno.

01:21:34.826 --> 01:21:41.966
My dad is one of six and all of his brothers, sisters, so aunts, uncles, cousins, they are all in Reno.

01:21:41.966 --> 01:21:42.416
Oh, wow.

01:21:42.626 --> 01:21:46.086
Um, my mom is one of four and they are all in Sacramento.

01:21:46.195 --> 01:21:46.305
Okay.

01:21:46.786 --> 01:21:49.626
Um, and then Josh is actually from Fairbanks, Alaska.

01:21:49.725 --> 01:21:50.286
Oh, wow.

01:21:50.496 --> 01:21:52.176
So all of his family is still up there.

01:21:52.185 --> 01:21:54.916
His parents snowboard down in Florida.

01:21:55.095 --> 01:21:55.155
Okay.

01:21:55.466 --> 01:22:02.355
Um, he's got two siblings, um, and they are both married and they have their kiddos and they're all up in Fairbanks still.

01:22:02.435 --> 01:22:05.176
Yeah, very traditional families, uh, in comparison.

01:22:05.225 --> 01:22:06.126
I'm from North Dakota.

01:22:06.206 --> 01:22:06.546
Okay.

01:22:06.565 --> 01:22:12.105
Where people don't really move away from there either, you know, probably much like Fairbanks or Reno, it sounds like in some ways.

01:22:12.145 --> 01:22:12.386
Yeah.

01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:14.150
So they're all there.

01:22:14.150 --> 01:22:15.570
And I mean we're close.

01:22:15.581 --> 01:22:17.650
I feel like we're closer with my side of the family.

01:22:17.751 --> 01:22:17.961
Yeah.

01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:20.150
My parents come out and visit a ton.

01:22:20.730 --> 01:22:21.820
My sister and her.

01:22:21.820 --> 01:22:23.331
She's got two girls and her husband.

01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:26.011
Well, it's just a lot easier to visit from, you know, from Fairfax.

01:22:26.011 --> 01:22:27.461
I mean, that's exactly right.

01:22:27.461 --> 01:22:33.690
You know, and for us, we're kind of in this like stage of life where Time and money are not of abundance.

01:22:34.220 --> 01:22:41.541
So trying to like get up to Fairbanks and, you know, you have to stop in Seattle and then you get up to Fairbanks and it's a harsh way of living in the winter.

01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:48.871
You know, like we've done it before, before kids, um, summers are definitely more ideal, but it's just, it's hard.

01:22:48.871 --> 01:22:56.520
And you know, when you're kind of grinding out life right now, like it's hard to get up there, but we do talk to them and We FaceTime and we keep everybody up to, you know, up to date.

01:22:56.541 --> 01:23:00.621
But my family is definitely more, um, kind of present on that day to day.

01:23:00.621 --> 01:23:03.860
Like we FaceTime five times a day and all sorts of stuff.

01:23:03.911 --> 01:23:05.951
Are your folks retired now?

01:23:06.091 --> 01:23:06.501
They are.

01:23:07.161 --> 01:23:07.341
Yeah.

01:23:07.341 --> 01:23:07.570
How's that?

01:23:07.860 --> 01:23:08.820
How was that for them?

01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:09.381
Good.

01:23:09.381 --> 01:23:10.296
I think for my, for my family.

01:23:10.975 --> 01:23:13.036
I think for my dad, it's been very easy.

01:23:13.046 --> 01:23:13.905
He fly fishes.

01:23:13.905 --> 01:23:15.336
He ties all of his own flies.

01:23:15.345 --> 01:23:18.425
He is out at the river or the lake like every day.

01:23:18.425 --> 01:23:19.619
He can tinker or do this or that.

01:23:19.619 --> 01:23:19.918
Yeah, exactly.

01:23:19.918 --> 01:23:25.546
I think for my mom, she was operating at this level of such high intensity for so many years.

01:23:25.605 --> 01:23:25.685
Yeah.

01:23:25.876 --> 01:23:27.605
You kind of come off that high a little bit.

01:23:27.615 --> 01:23:29.605
And she's actually, she's done it very gracefully.

01:23:30.036 --> 01:23:33.905
She goes and she has a Bible study she goes to with a bunch of women.

01:23:33.905 --> 01:23:35.206
She goes and she has She invests herself.

01:23:35.565 --> 01:23:36.405
Yeah, absolutely.

01:23:36.405 --> 01:23:38.216
I mean, she's got my nieces that are there.

01:23:38.216 --> 01:23:42.756
And so she, you know, helps take them to school and, you know, hangs out with them.

01:23:42.756 --> 01:23:46.765
She's got her friends and, you know, kind of does her thing, works out and all of that.

01:23:46.765 --> 01:23:48.636
So they've actually handled it very gracefully.

01:23:48.905 --> 01:23:50.036
They travel a ton.

01:23:50.055 --> 01:23:52.636
They love to hang out together, which is the cutest thing ever.

01:23:52.895 --> 01:23:52.945
Right.

01:23:53.105 --> 01:23:54.525
Um, they live on a golf course.

01:23:54.525 --> 01:23:55.536
You said 45 years, Mary?

01:23:55.546 --> 01:23:56.246
45 years.

01:23:56.256 --> 01:23:56.475
Wow.

01:23:56.475 --> 01:23:56.850
Yeah.

01:23:57.171 --> 01:24:01.161
But yeah, they live on a golf course, so every day they go out for a walk and they collect golf balls.

01:24:01.161 --> 01:24:02.005
So I'm not kidding.

01:24:02.005 --> 01:24:03.270
Sell them back to the golfers?

01:24:03.270 --> 01:24:03.780
They should.

01:24:03.820 --> 01:24:11.390
Like, I think my nieces should honestly, like, sit out there and, like, do a side hustle or just a hustle, you know, and sell back those golf balls.

01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:13.150
Like, so many of them.

01:24:13.150 --> 01:24:13.930
It's crazy.

01:24:14.051 --> 01:24:21.291
I hear, I heard somebody telling a story about their first lemonade stand and they were literally making like 1, 200 a month.

01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:23.291
with their moms.

01:24:24.661 --> 01:24:26.421
So they might, they might have a pretty lucrative.

01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:32.400
Honestly, like they're on, I think their house is like on the 14th hole or something like that.

01:24:32.671 --> 01:24:37.650
And golfers would pay if they've got some like four to six, eight year old girls out there, they would pay.

01:24:38.055 --> 01:24:39.440
Probably pro shop prices for those balls.

01:24:39.440 --> 01:24:41.105
And by the 14th hole, they're probably drunk.

01:24:41.115 --> 01:24:41.515
Right.

01:24:42.046 --> 01:24:44.456
So like, just sit out there, you know.

01:24:44.695 --> 01:24:46.626
Mister, one dollar a ball.

01:24:47.916 --> 01:24:50.435
They're probably like, oh yeah, that's my ball from last week or whatever.

01:24:50.475 --> 01:24:52.315
But it just snowed there a couple weeks ago.

01:24:52.315 --> 01:24:52.655
Oh wow.

01:24:52.655 --> 01:24:57.095
And the snow melted and they went out and they found 150 something golf clubs.

01:24:57.095 --> 01:25:01.095
So their garage is just Yeah, that could be college fun right there.

01:25:01.275 --> 01:25:08.746
a little card table with a little So yeah, so they do all sorts, they find ways to keep themselves very busy and entertained and they do a really good job with that.

01:25:08.786 --> 01:25:09.796
Well, according to my math.

01:25:10.636 --> 01:25:16.456
If you were gonna have another child for you and Josh, would it be time, or is that, you know, not gonna do it?

01:25:16.456 --> 01:25:19.416
Two preemies, you kind of tap out after that, yeah.

01:25:19.416 --> 01:25:22.326
And if they show up at 32 weeks, you're like, we can handle this.

01:25:22.326 --> 01:25:25.036
Like, you know, the second time around, we're like, okay, not a big deal.

01:25:25.046 --> 01:25:28.206
Like, Carleen's still at the NICU, she's got the, you know, whatever.

01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:31.871
Third one, I feel like it would be, you're kind of playing with fire.

01:25:31.881 --> 01:25:35.280
You know, at that point where you're like, maybe it's 28 weeks, maybe it's 29 weeks.

01:25:35.291 --> 01:25:36.740
So I don't, I think we're okay.

01:25:37.041 --> 01:25:43.121
And again, just the phase that we're in, like we're happy, you know, you sit at the kitchen table and you look around and you're like, okay, I think we're complete.

01:25:43.121 --> 01:25:43.690
Like we're good now.

01:25:44.711 --> 01:25:47.341
My brother has two, two girls and they're awesome.

01:25:47.341 --> 01:25:50.240
And in his case, it wasn't preemie.

01:25:50.251 --> 01:26:08.730
It was more just health challenges for, it's like, well, I would, I would I'd like to have more kids if I didn't think there was a chance my wife would die, you know, or, or, and it's just at some point, you know, it's just not, not, I don't know, it's not worth it, but like, I just can't put a price on it, but also pretty happy already.

01:26:09.110 --> 01:26:09.801
We're very happy.

01:26:09.801 --> 01:26:13.871
And I don't, I mean, honestly, it's kind of like man on man defense right now, right?

01:26:14.301 --> 01:26:15.461
No, the third one is a whole different thing.

01:26:15.461 --> 01:26:16.896
It's a different piece of puzzle.

01:26:16.896 --> 01:26:18.092
Like, you can't really travel.

01:26:18.092 --> 01:26:19.768
Like, right now I'm off on Mondays.

01:26:19.768 --> 01:26:27.631
So, I try to take him to Shields by myself, or the park, and you have two kids that are not, like, the three year old, he's kind of, he's capable now.

01:26:27.631 --> 01:26:32.140
He can, you know, do his thing down the slide, or whatever, but, like, honestly, they're just like.

01:26:32.140 --> 01:26:32.195
Yeah.

01:26:32.525 --> 01:26:37.065
Over there eating rocks, you just never know what you're going to get.

01:26:37.065 --> 01:26:38.725
So I think we're, we're good.

01:26:38.725 --> 01:26:41.155
We're happy with just those two little nuggets right now.

01:26:41.155 --> 01:26:42.926
And I think we'll forever be that way.

01:26:43.376 --> 01:26:43.555
Yeah.

01:26:43.595 --> 01:26:45.595
Anything else you'd like to mention?

01:26:45.966 --> 01:26:54.666
You know, I think we did a good job covering all the things, I appreciate you the local experiences, the final segment and that's the craziest experience of your lifetime.

01:26:54.666 --> 01:26:55.274
I know.

01:26:55.274 --> 01:26:59.355
trying to find something that you can share that your mom won't get upset by.

01:26:59.506 --> 01:27:00.055
I know.

01:27:00.086 --> 01:27:09.180
You know, it's so funny because I I feel like I'm a pretty, like, outgoing, like, and I'm sure there's something way back in the filing cabinet of my brain that I dig out.

01:27:09.610 --> 01:27:16.570
Um, really the, the one thing that sticks out to me, so Josh and I, we went to Cuba a couple years ago.

01:27:16.581 --> 01:27:16.930
Oh, okay.

01:27:16.930 --> 01:27:17.791
That's pretty crazy.

01:27:18.131 --> 01:27:18.701
It was crazy.

01:27:18.761 --> 01:27:22.671
I mean, especially a few years ago, it's less so lately.

01:27:22.671 --> 01:27:26.576
Yeah, so we went, it was twenty 17?

01:27:26.926 --> 01:27:27.305
Okay.

01:27:27.496 --> 01:27:30.586
And, Right after, not too long after it started becoming feasible.

01:27:30.595 --> 01:27:31.046
Yes.

01:27:31.086 --> 01:27:33.775
And so, I, I, it was always on my bucket list.

01:27:33.775 --> 01:27:35.586
And so he's like, hey, let's go somewhere.

01:27:35.586 --> 01:27:38.076
I have a couple days off from, you know, residency.

01:27:38.076 --> 01:27:38.305
Yeah, yeah.

01:27:38.305 --> 01:27:39.826
And I was like, cool, let's go to Cuba.

01:27:39.826 --> 01:27:43.475
And he was like, well, I was thinking more like, an all inclusive resort.

01:27:43.475 --> 01:27:44.445
Yeah.

01:27:44.445 --> 01:27:44.595
Yeah.

01:27:44.655 --> 01:27:46.636
And, um, but I always wanted to go.

01:27:46.636 --> 01:27:47.280
I just thought it was so cool.

01:27:47.280 --> 01:27:48.110
It's so cool.

01:27:48.110 --> 01:27:55.711
And it was something that was like, not my normal, you know, I don't know, I just kind of want to get out of my box a little bit, go before, like, I don't know, McDonald's took over.

01:27:55.711 --> 01:27:57.011
It got too spoiled, right?

01:27:57.011 --> 01:27:57.270
Yeah.

01:27:57.270 --> 01:28:00.801
And so we went, um, and you have to claim, you know, why you're going.

01:28:00.801 --> 01:28:09.150
So you have 10 different choices and it's like religious purposes, to visit family, to support the Cuban people, um, educational, you know, whatever.

01:28:09.150 --> 01:28:13.480
And so I just felt the whole time like I was doing something wrong, uh, you know.

01:28:13.480 --> 01:28:14.461
Which one did you check?

01:28:14.490 --> 01:28:15.871
We did support the Cuban people.

01:28:15.871 --> 01:28:16.180
Okay.

01:28:16.180 --> 01:28:16.261
Okay.

01:28:16.501 --> 01:28:18.161
Um, and so we stayed at an Airbnb.

01:28:18.161 --> 01:28:19.720
We don't know any Spanish at all.

01:28:19.770 --> 01:28:20.001
Right.

01:28:20.211 --> 01:28:21.961
Um, we stayed at Airbnbs.

01:28:21.970 --> 01:28:30.140
Uh, so you fly in, you get off the airplane, and it's just walls of people trying to convince you to get into their taxis, their cars, their whatever.

01:28:30.650 --> 01:28:36.280
And not, some of them do speak English, but like I was just like, Oh my gosh, I'm so overwhelmed, you know?

01:28:36.280 --> 01:28:37.980
And um, Josh has his phrase book.

01:28:37.980 --> 01:28:39.020
I mean, we look like tourists.

01:28:40.900 --> 01:28:58.261
Um, you read all of this stuff, like if you stay at an Airbnb, a lot of these people that will pick you up from the airport and drive you wherever, they'll stop at their friend's houses and try to get you to stay there as opposed to, and so this guy probably tried to stop three, four different times, you know, and he's trying to tell, you know, it was just, it was a little sketchy.

01:28:58.301 --> 01:28:59.770
So we finally get to this house.

01:28:59.801 --> 01:29:06.421
We stayed up some like rickety, gaudy, I don't know, windy staircase that, you know, it was actually really, really fun.

01:29:06.780 --> 01:29:20.230
Um, but we spent probably three days in Havana and then we took a taxi with some people from Spain to, um, kind of like the inner portion of Cuba and we got to roll cigars and smoke cigars from the tobacco plantations, which was so cool.

01:29:20.251 --> 01:29:23.501
We got to go and see the, um, coffee plantations.

01:29:23.801 --> 01:29:26.371
We got to ride horses and, and how was it?

01:29:26.451 --> 01:29:27.301
Like, was it fun?

01:29:27.301 --> 01:29:28.570
Was it expensive?

01:29:28.570 --> 01:29:29.280
Was it cheap?

01:29:29.320 --> 01:29:31.650
was Did you feel like you were in danger?

01:29:31.661 --> 01:29:32.350
No, I didn't.

01:29:32.390 --> 01:29:34.011
It was honestly, I felt very safe.

01:29:34.020 --> 01:29:34.041
Yeah.

01:29:34.051 --> 01:29:39.490
Like, I felt like if I was walking around California late at night, it was scarier than Cuba.

01:29:39.860 --> 01:29:39.980
Fair.

01:29:40.020 --> 01:29:41.501
Um, it was awesome.

01:29:41.541 --> 01:29:42.371
We had a great time.

01:29:42.371 --> 01:29:43.621
The food was okay.

01:29:43.671 --> 01:29:43.831
Yeah.

01:29:43.831 --> 01:29:49.650
You know, it wasn't like anything great, but like, it wasn't super expensive, um, everybody was very kind.

01:29:49.740 --> 01:29:49.761
Yeah.

01:29:50.081 --> 01:29:51.671
It was a weird place.

01:29:51.850 --> 01:30:01.511
type of beautiful where you look around and there's like chickens tied to chairs and weird green slime in the streets and these like dilapidated buildings that you're like, okay, but it was beautiful.

01:30:01.551 --> 01:30:01.820
Yeah.

01:30:02.030 --> 01:30:02.411
Um.

01:30:02.411 --> 01:30:03.520
Was it a lot of old cars?

01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:04.150
Yes.

01:30:04.381 --> 01:30:06.730
Like old 57 Chevys and different stuff like that.

01:30:06.740 --> 01:30:07.011
Oh yeah.

01:30:07.011 --> 01:30:07.070
Yeah.

01:30:07.070 --> 01:30:12.100
And so you could, like we actually, um, you could rent them or they're considered taxis, I guess.

01:30:12.470 --> 01:30:15.730
And the guy who drove us around, he spoke impeccable English.

01:30:15.740 --> 01:30:17.331
He was very well educated.

01:30:17.331 --> 01:30:17.440
His.

01:30:17.490 --> 01:30:21.110
parents sent him out of Cuba to go to Europe to be educated.

01:30:21.610 --> 01:30:30.051
And then he came back, his wife was a physician, um, and she made more, he made more money driving his taxi than she did being a physician.

01:30:30.650 --> 01:30:34.230
Um, I remember, and you're like, how much did a dentist make?

01:30:34.280 --> 01:30:37.690
Yeah, it was, it was crazy, but it was weird to see.

01:30:38.490 --> 01:30:41.020
It was really weird to see, you know, the way that they live.

01:30:41.041 --> 01:30:48.310
Um, when we were writing on the horses, and we were literally like smoking cigars, writing on horses, it was so fun.

01:30:48.730 --> 01:30:52.371
Um, and I remember looking around and they were all male horses.

01:30:52.381 --> 01:30:56.240
Like I'd see the horses peeing and I'm like, well, that one's a male and that one's a male.

01:30:56.240 --> 01:30:59.331
And I was asking our tour person, like, what's the deal?

01:30:59.341 --> 01:31:01.621
And he's like, Oh, the government regulates this.

01:31:02.110 --> 01:31:03.761
And so they regulate the horse.

01:31:03.780 --> 01:31:04.761
They regulate everything.

01:31:04.780 --> 01:31:07.201
You can't have a breeding horse because then you horses.

01:31:08.265 --> 01:31:09.036
And isn't that crazy?

01:31:09.496 --> 01:31:14.695
And so, um, it was just that, for me, was the moment where I was like, oh my gosh, like, okay.

01:31:14.935 --> 01:31:15.206
Right.

01:31:15.206 --> 01:31:16.036
Like it's just, it's wild.

01:31:16.036 --> 01:31:22.945
Yeah, we've decided upstream that you're not allowed to have more horses, just the number that you paid for and pay taxes on or whatever.

01:31:22.956 --> 01:31:23.515
Exactly.

01:31:23.515 --> 01:31:27.980
And so then you'd have these farmers that were farming, you know, Whatever it would be, like coffee.

01:31:28.081 --> 01:31:28.261
Right.

01:31:28.261 --> 01:31:31.640
And the government takes 98 percent of your crop.

01:31:31.701 --> 01:31:33.631
Like you are left with 2%.

01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:33.661
Wow.

01:31:33.661 --> 01:31:34.961
And yeah.

01:31:34.961 --> 01:31:35.581
And so it's just.

01:31:35.631 --> 01:31:36.970
government basically owns all the.

01:31:36.970 --> 01:31:37.350
Everything.

01:31:37.350 --> 01:31:38.171
Factors of production.

01:31:38.171 --> 01:31:40.980
And you get little pittance for doing the farming.

01:31:40.980 --> 01:31:41.761
Yeah, yeah.

01:31:41.761 --> 01:31:44.051
So it was interesting, but it was very, I felt safe.

01:31:44.060 --> 01:31:48.091
I think it was the craziest thing I've ever done just because it was very outside of.

01:31:48.411 --> 01:31:49.310
My normal.

01:31:49.310 --> 01:31:52.180
It wasn't going to an all inclusive resort in Mexico.

01:31:52.551 --> 01:31:52.621
Right, right.

01:31:52.621 --> 01:31:55.261
Or it wasn't going to San Diego or, you know, whatever else.

01:31:55.261 --> 01:31:55.690
it was.

01:31:56.235 --> 01:31:57.176
It was really cool.

01:31:57.176 --> 01:31:58.265
I would do it again.

01:31:58.315 --> 01:32:01.845
Do you have anything comparable on your bucket list?

01:32:02.565 --> 01:32:03.645
Uh, Thailand.

01:32:04.006 --> 01:32:04.985
I need to go to Thailand.

01:32:04.996 --> 01:32:06.155
I need to eat all the Thai food.

01:32:06.365 --> 01:32:07.365
I would do that too for sure.

01:32:07.365 --> 01:32:08.405
Oh my gosh.

01:32:08.855 --> 01:32:08.945
Thailand.

01:32:08.945 --> 01:32:11.865
I'd like to see Laos over there and some of that too.

01:32:12.036 --> 01:32:13.126
It would be so cool.

01:32:13.126 --> 01:32:16.065
I think that that's probably like next on the bucket list.

01:32:16.065 --> 01:32:18.480
I'd love to go, I mean Italy, it's not comparable to Thailand.

01:32:18.701 --> 01:32:19.020
I mean, totally different.

01:32:19.020 --> 01:32:19.961
I mean, totally different.

01:32:19.961 --> 01:32:20.551
Been to Italy.

01:32:20.650 --> 01:32:21.310
It's pretty awesome.

01:32:21.360 --> 01:32:22.220
It's so awesome.

01:32:22.230 --> 01:32:24.860
But I think Thailand would probably It's more crazy.

01:32:24.881 --> 01:32:24.970
Yeah.

01:32:25.421 --> 01:32:25.511
Absolutely.

01:32:25.511 --> 01:32:25.831
More different.

01:32:25.831 --> 01:32:27.900
Like eat the street food and Right, right.

01:32:27.900 --> 01:32:29.030
Maybe get a little tummy bug or two.

01:32:29.060 --> 01:32:29.591
Right, right.

01:32:29.711 --> 01:32:29.850
But yeah.

01:32:30.261 --> 01:32:33.041
So I think that's kind of next on, on the bucket list.

01:32:33.211 --> 01:32:36.140
Do you have any questions for me before we sign this thing off?

01:32:36.400 --> 01:32:37.291
Oh, gosh.

01:32:37.701 --> 01:32:38.780
I know I didn't prepare you for that question.

01:32:38.780 --> 01:32:40.900
You didn't prepare me for these questions.

01:32:40.911 --> 01:32:42.970
What's next on your list?

01:32:42.990 --> 01:32:46.001
What's kind of the biggest thing for your business coming up?

01:32:46.011 --> 01:32:46.751
As far as business coming up?

01:32:46.751 --> 01:32:47.171
Yeah.

01:32:47.171 --> 01:32:47.240
Yeah.

01:32:47.871 --> 01:33:02.461
Um, well, I guess I was thinking about travel coming up and so in, in May, Jill and I are taking the ambulance that I was showing you the, the wrap design for, and we're taking it on a national parks tour in Utah.

01:33:02.730 --> 01:33:03.970
It'll be wrapped by then, I believe.

01:33:04.480 --> 01:33:12.081
And uh, so, and I like, it wouldn't start today, the bat, it's got a battery drain that just like showed up somewhere.

01:33:12.081 --> 01:33:14.890
So I'm kind of sort, I've been driving it lately, trying to sort it out, make sure I can.

01:33:15.166 --> 01:33:15.185
Yeah.

01:33:15.506 --> 01:33:16.095
Go for it.

01:33:16.845 --> 01:33:19.905
1, 500 mile tour or 2, 000 mile tour of Utah.

01:33:20.036 --> 01:33:21.235
Can you fix it yourself?

01:33:21.235 --> 01:33:24.143
Like, are you pretty handy when it comes to that or is it like, you gotta take a shot?

01:33:24.143 --> 01:33:27.405
Yeah, we've got a, uh, what you call that, um, triple A.

01:33:27.865 --> 01:33:27.996
Oh.

01:33:29.786 --> 01:33:33.655
I'm a farm kid, so I can fix some things, but, uh, I'm not very good at it.

01:33:33.916 --> 01:33:41.475
Both my, my father and my brother could fix it pretty much at any time, but I'm, I just hike up my skirt and stand on the road, look for a ride.

01:33:41.945 --> 01:33:42.655
Uh, no.

01:33:43.115 --> 01:33:43.136
Yeah.

01:33:43.136 --> 01:33:43.725
I love that.

01:33:43.905 --> 01:33:43.926
too.

01:33:43.926 --> 01:33:44.395
That's awesome.

01:33:44.461 --> 01:33:49.261
But so that, that's kind of, it's business and pleasure because it's a big loco think tank rap thing.

01:33:49.331 --> 01:33:50.411
Yeah, for sure.

01:33:50.411 --> 01:33:51.610
And how many days did you say?

01:33:52.171 --> 01:33:55.081
I think we're doing eight days, seven nights.

01:33:55.881 --> 01:33:57.140
So nice little tour.

01:33:57.171 --> 01:33:57.470
Yeah.

01:33:57.661 --> 01:33:59.230
Hopefully it doesn't get interrupted with breakdowns.

01:33:59.591 --> 01:34:00.150
Hopefully not.

01:34:00.190 --> 01:34:00.600
It changes.

01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:01.131
Can you sleep in it?

01:34:01.791 --> 01:34:03.121
Um, yes, we can sleep in it.

01:34:03.310 --> 01:34:06.451
It's got like, queen size bed, uh, in the game plan?

01:34:06.461 --> 01:34:07.600
Like, you guys are camping in this?

01:34:07.650 --> 01:34:13.020
Uh, mostly camping, and then we're, I'm actually buying a, uh, rack for my motorcycle to put on the back.

01:34:13.301 --> 01:34:13.421
Oh, cool.

01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:22.270
So, I've got a, a BMW kind of sport touring motorcycle that we'll bring along, and so we're gonna set up the camper for basically two nights in total.

01:34:22.496 --> 01:34:34.746
Three different places in Utah, and then we'll take a tour of the national parks with the, with the motorcycle and leave the camper kind of set up there at the place and then we can get deeper into places and yeah, that's awesome.

01:34:34.786 --> 01:34:35.365
Yeah, it's pretty.

01:34:35.466 --> 01:34:36.086
I'm pretty excited.

01:34:36.265 --> 01:34:37.126
And when do you leave for that?

01:34:40.166 --> 01:34:41.855
May 25th is our anniversary.

01:34:41.855 --> 01:34:44.666
So I think we leave like the 18th or 17th or something like that.

01:34:44.676 --> 01:34:46.176
So yeah, it should be fun.

01:34:46.246 --> 01:34:46.826
That's awesome.

01:34:46.996 --> 01:34:47.626
Thanks for being here, Katie.

01:34:48.216 --> 01:34:52.076
Oh, tell people where to find Timnath Kids Dentistry on Instagram, obviously.

01:34:52.076 --> 01:34:52.525
Yeah.

01:34:52.565 --> 01:34:54.176
Timnath Kids Dentistry is on.

01:34:54.945 --> 01:34:58.185
That's exactly what it is, Timnith Kids Dentistry, or www.

01:34:58.935 --> 01:34:59.126
timnithkids.

01:34:59.126 --> 01:34:59.685
com.

01:34:59.916 --> 01:35:03.176
Um, yeah, so, or just at my physical location.

01:35:03.176 --> 01:35:03.746
Come say hi.

01:35:03.805 --> 01:35:04.716
Look, come see me.

01:35:04.786 --> 01:35:05.496
Come check it out.

01:35:05.525 --> 01:35:09.865
Tell her you, uh, tell her you found out about her on the Loco Experience podcast, too.

01:35:09.865 --> 01:35:11.206
I'll get like a, what?

01:35:11.296 --> 01:35:12.836
Do I get a referral or anything like that?

01:35:13.015 --> 01:35:14.485
Uh, I don't know.

01:35:14.506 --> 01:35:15.405
Probably not, but maybe.

01:35:16.555 --> 01:35:19.105
We don't really have a system for that yet, but that's okay.

01:35:19.515 --> 01:35:19.945
That's right.

01:35:19.945 --> 01:35:20.876
Drop your name.

01:35:21.185 --> 01:35:24.261
Call me and say, Hey, Kurt, I got a customer from this podcast.

01:35:24.261 --> 01:35:24.796
I will.

01:35:24.966 --> 01:35:28.025
The first time I hear it, I'm going to be like, Yes! Awesome.

01:35:28.195 --> 01:35:28.445
I love it.

01:35:28.445 --> 01:35:29.041
Thanks, Katie.

01:35:29.041 --> 01:35:29.636
Appreciate it.

01:35:29.636 --> 01:35:30.076
Thank you.