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EXPERIENCE 104 | The Trainor Brothers Circus! - Brian, Adam, & Joe Trainor Share Stories of Brotherhood and Entrepreneurship

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This week we somehow fit three of the Northern-Colorado famous Trainor Brothers into the podcast studio, with Brian, Adam, and Joe Trainor all sharing their stories and philosophies with me and with our listeners.  The three brothers are a total of four years apart and were raised by their single father, an enterprising teacher that kept the family fed with side jobs and construction projects. 

Brian and Adam both went to CSU on athletic scholarships. Brian got into real estate - as a broker and investor, and recruited Adam to help with fix-n-flip projects.  Soon, 970 Services was growing into a Roofing and Restoration business and the brothers helped to seed two more businesses - H3 Construction, and Beyond Blue Media - and they coaxed younger brother Joe out of his teaching career to become the President of another acquisition - Epoxy Colorado.  

The Trainor Brothers Circus is what they (literally) call their holding company, and this episode is full of stories about overcoming adversity, starting something new, and navigating business and brotherhood together and with joy. 

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This week I somehow fit three of the Northern Colorado famous trainer brothers into my podcast studio with Brian, Adam, and Joe Trainor all sharing their stories and philosophies with me and with our listeners. The three brothers are a total of four years apart and grew up in Lahuta, Colorado with their single parent, father, and enterprising teacher that kept the family fed with side jobs and construction projects. Brian went to CSU on an athletics scholarship, and Adam followed him two years. Both were standout track athletes in the throwing arts, javelin, discus, shot put and hammer. Brian got into real estate after college as a broker and investor and soon recruited Adam to help with fix and flip projects. Soon. Nine, seven oh services was growing into a roofing and restoration business, and the brothers helped to start two more businesses, H three Construction and Beyond Blue Media, and they cook's younger brother Joe out of his teaching career to become the president of another acquisition Epoxy Colorado. The Trainer Brothers Circus is what they literally call their holding company. And this episode is full of stories of overcoming adversity, starting something new, and navigating business and brotherhood together and with joy. I'm sure you're going to enjoy this inspiring conversation with Brian, Adam and Joe Trainor on the local experience. Welcome back to the Local Experience Podcast. I'm honored today to be joined by the Trainer Brothers. Uh, we've got Brian Trainor, Adam Trainor, and Joe here. Uh, I think we're at room capacity for this little office space. And, uh, Brian's a real estate agent with c3, also the co-founder and president currently of Trainer Brothers Circus. Mm-hmm. and, uh, Adams, the president of nine 70 oh services and the current secretary, former president of Trainer Brothers Circus. And Joe is the president of Epoxy Colorado and the newest member of the Trainer Brothers Circus. So I think, you know, oldest goes first. Brian, why don't we, why don't we start with you, um, and describe, uh, I guess should we start with describing the Trainer Brothers Circus? Is that too wide of a scope to start with? No, I think that's perfect. Okay. Probably, I think it helps better understand just, I mean, we had to make up our titles as we got here ready to do the podcast. Right. Who's who? Right. And it came from, uh, our coach. We, we were, me and Adam were on the track team at CSU together initially. Okay. And so we were both athletes here and, uh, I think Coach came in one day and we were both trying to pole vault and Coach was like, you guys are a bunch of clowns. You know, and he started calling String Brothers Circus. Uh, lucky enough to have Joe come up and, and, and train with us for a year. that's csu. Right. So at one point we're all on the track team at the same time. Oh, cool. And what were your specialties? We threw things, man. Yeah. Disc discusses and javelin. Yeah. Disc. J i i I primarily threw the discus and, and some shot put at him through Hammer and Javelin and, and everything. And then Joe, Joe was more of a discus, a discus guy. I was, uh, more of a baseball player. Do you think that could beat you guys in a snowball fight? You probably could, man. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just checking. Cause this is a wy way to, it is a really wy way to throw stuff. Exactly. So it's, uh, well it's great for disc causes. It was great for Disc, cuz Yeah. It was great. So, no, I mean that's, that's kinda where the circus came from and it's really true. Right? I mean, I think it's, um, if anybody listening is, has started a business or, or been dumb enough to be an entrepreneur, um, you know, that it feels like that sometimes where you're just kind of, it's like that three ring circus and they're all on fire sometimes, you know, and, um, I, uh, we just, the first piece of intellectual property that loco think tank developed was, was me, in 2018. I developed what we called the floats, uh, like a self-assessment mm-hmm. And it was like financial leadership opportunities versus obsolescence administration and process. Yeah. And, uh, we just changed it about a year ago to thrives because we don't wanna just float Nice. Yeah. You know, but at that time I was swimming to the surface from below the surface mm-hmm. you know mm-hmm. And I'm sure that there was probably times in your past. It's always that way. I, I think actually, I think that you, you know, I mean, I don't think we'll get into the technical side of some of the businesses right now, but as we grow, we've seen kind of growth out of, uh, Joe's company, epoxy growth at Roofing, and. as you grow, right? Like Yeah. New challenges. New challenges. New challenges. All the things, right? So, okay. Um, so, uh, trainer Brothers Circus, we started, Adam and I started, um, Adam, it was almost 10 years ago, we started roofing. Mm-hmm. we, he and I had been doing construction remodel projects, flipping homes prior to that. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, because of your real estate background Yeah. You've been in real estate for longer and since 2006 and Okay. And there was, uh, we were both in construction prior to that together. I moved into, uh, into real estate. Adam went to run an excavation company. We were looking for something to do and, and, and started picking up houses like a lot of guys did around here at that time. Yeah. Um, and then one day we just kinda looked around and there was like six guys showing up every day. And they were, um, they thought they had a job like full-time job, and Adam and I, I remember kind of went like, uh, what are we gonna do with these guys? Right. And, and this project done here pretty soon. Yeah. And so, um, you know, we, we eventually started taking on their projects, uh, commercial, residential, real, you know, just construction type stuff. Um, and out of that we actually saw the roofing sector was probably our most profitable, uh, kind of sector of that. And I, one day I kind of asked Adam, we're sitting in our little, our chicken coop, that was our office at the time. Literally chicken coop and four chicken coop. Yeah. And, and, and I just said, how many phone calls do you make on that roof? You did, uh, you know, last month? And he said, I think four or five. And. So we thought that's pretty good, you know, for the, the dollars that ROI and dollars per hour kind of thing. All those people that kept showing up had ability to execute. Yeah. Is that right? And so, and, and it was a sector we could, we could repeat. And so you looked at flips and we were always chasing our dinner every month. Right. I was trying to find deals and always, so this felt like something we could do and, and have it be replica, like replicable have revenue every month instead of just in theory we'd have revenue every month. Right. And so I'm sure you got revenue once as well as well, there was something, we had a long, long hail stretch there where we didn't get much. We've had a little bit of a, a like, kind of a shortage of hail, we feel like. But it's, that's all right. So, so I guess, I mean, to, to wrap up what the TVC is, is, I mean, really it was, you know, I mean I guess Adam and I started that, but it was, it was always something. I think from my end, if you really step back and look at it, um, I recognize that Adam had a really good skillset and I thought if I can just keep him doing what he does really well Hmm. And then I get to do what I do really well. Yeah. We can make a really good team. You know, and, and then we saw other guys in those industries, like, you know, that, that we thought, okay, he's a great technician. Mm-hmm. we'll just have him focus on that. Yeah. And if we can build a team around supporting him from that administrative level Yeah. Then we might have something. And that's kind of what maybe the Trainer Brothers Circus has evolved into is like finding a, a special person with a special skill set and putting stuff around them that they need. Yeah. And we're lucky now we have a full-time CPA account. Just works for us. We have an attorney that yeah, is retired, but full-time for us now. And so we have a marketing director that supports what Beyond Blue does this from does for us on the marketing side. Cool. So cool. So we have kind of a good kind of top end staff that, that we can lean on to. Yeah. Here we do. Adam, uh, let's hear your perspective on, on all of that. And I was wondering, um, when I, you know, Brian introduced himself as kind of the chief vision guy and in some ways are you familiar with that traction system and are the integrator Joe? I think Joe called me the visionary. I don't Oh, the vision keeper. I wouldn't throw that out myself. Yeah. Yeah. Joe did that. The keeper of the vision? Uh, no. Yeah, I think that that executor kind of personality type Yeah. Before traction was really a thing for us. We kind of just knew that our, our relationship worked so well because Brian was just really good at kind of looking at the horizon and kind of seeing what, what opportunities might be out there. Mm-hmm. I was more of a just show me what wall to tear it down. I'll tear it down. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, so I, I would say I'm more of the implementer in that whole Yeah. Kind of structure there. But, um, yeah, I think that it's, it's worked really well over the years and, um, my weaknesses happen to be, his strengths and his weaknesses happen to be my strengths. And so we've always just really worked well together. And of course Joe comes in and, um, compliments both of those really well. But yeah, for the most part, I think that that's why we've worked so well for so long is that, um, we recognize and appreci. What, what each of us brings to the table. Yeah. Versus, you know, you know, kinda like we talked about at the beginning, there's no ego. Like, I didn't even know like, what am I, secretary, president Kool? I don't, I don't care. You know, I think that's been switched around a couple times. I think Tom, the attorney kind of just bounces it. It's really, I think he, somebody goes be these things who answers the phone more often, gets to be president. Yeah. Right. And, and it's just cuz he just needs signatures turned around. Right. It has nothing to do with what we do on a daily basis. I mean, we sit, when we talk about the companies, we sit in the room and we just kind of go, what hurts? What feels good? Let's do more of what doesn't hurt. So nine, seven oh services. You're just kind of your focus enterprise in some ways, Adam. And that's a, is it all roofing? It's roofing and restoration. Are you doing that too? So yeah, it's roofing and restoration and, and really it's a product of, you know, from the time we were old enough to carry a bundle of shingles, we were busy helping our dad. Yeah. Um, roof houses, you know. Yep. There was for us, you know, summer vacation and Christmas and, you know, spring break and Thanksgiving break. Those were all opportunities to make some money as far as when we grew up. He was a single father. Right. So there was, there was four, four boys in the house. Mm-hmm. You guys were raised by a single dad. Four boys. That's, well, well, we'll jump in the time machine and learn more about that. Yeah, yeah. So it was just, yeah, it kind of seemed like a natural progression. Um, you know, after. I graduated from college, we, we kind of teamed up and created a, a company called TCO Enterprises. And yeah, the intent was to go, um, take over an excavation company and that didn't work out. And actually, it's kind of the best thing that ever happened to us. Yeah. When Brian was able to go out and cut his teeth in the real estate market mm-hmm. I was able to go in as a, as a contractor and kind of learn, you know, not just how to work with my hands, but also how to, you know, understand code and, and really kind of apply that Oh, cool. Side of it. And so when we were able to get back together, it was a pretty solid team, you know, with my, my knowledge and his knowledge and we were able to kind of just leverage that and, and get going. Very cool. And then, um, and then Joe, when, sorry to change. No, you're good. Uh, Joe, when you and I met, I think you were six months or a year or something into, did you leave a teaching job to basically become the operator for this, uh, epoxy Colorado? Yep. And like, was that, like, did you identify an opportunity, Brian and you're like, Hey Joe, I think you shouldn't be a teacher, you should come run this Oxy. That was probably like my fourth at bat with Joe to try and get him up here. Yeah. Awesome. Um, we had been poking at him to get him up here for years and, um, me and Adam saw that come available. Taylor Grant had started that friend of ours. Okay. And, uh, and so we were able to like Mike, like purchase it and, and really dangle carrot for Joe. I think that worked. Um, yeah. To get him up here. Any regrets, Joe? No. And how long did you teach? Uh, so I taught for six years and then I was an administrator for three years. Oh, oh, so you were on the fat track or the fast track of the fat life? Yeah, yeah. Was, yeah. Um, you're looking slim and fit Well, yeah, probably happier. I got off the fat, the fat track as it were. Um, but uh, when we identified that opportunity, uh, just looked at the numbers and, uh, it was funny cuz I had, uh, essentially one day to really consider it. Like, you either had to re-up on your teacher contract. It was, it was a Monday. I was supposed to go in and sign the contract and I think, uh, Brian called on Saturday. He was like, Hey, we've got this chance to do this. So we essentially took a quick look at the numbers and then my wife and I talked about it and said, you know, what do we think? And a big part, was it a done deal? Did you have a contract? We had a, we had a contract with, with Taylor. Um, and uh, it was just a matter of getting Joe to operate the company. We, we didn't have space for it, but yeah. Yeah. Um, interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so we bought it really, we bought it just to get Joe up here, whether it was gonna work or not, didn't matter. Where were you at Joe? Uh, down in Lata. Oh, Lata. That's where you guys are from down in the valley, where we're from? Yeah. So, okay. Uh, yeah, so decided, um, on that Saturday, wife and I talked it over and then slept on it and woke up Sunday and said, Hey, let's give this a shot. And so called my superintendent and said, um, go ahead and post the job for that because I'm not gonna be back next year. Wow. And, uh, yeah, it was, uh, I'm, I'm a pretty. Safe guy. Right. I'm not a, I'm not a huge risk averse. Risk taker. Yeah. And, and so it was a big time leap of faith and, um, but it was cool because I just, we, we had wanted to get up here for so long and be back with, uh, yeah. The brothers, you know, have all of our kids kind of grown up together and everything like that. That's too, that's cool. So, um, yeah, no regrets. That's awesome. Tell me about Epoxy Colorado. Like what, what, what do you guys do? So primarily our focus is, uh, on the residential side, probably about 70% of, of what we do. We like concrete floors and stuff like that, like garage floors, basement floors. Okay. Um, yeah. And we do, you know, resonance flooring. So, uh, the name epoxy is just kind of a catchall for anybody that's like, I want to have that really pretty looking floor in my garage. Yeah. Um, but, you know, epoxy is not really actually the primary material that we use, but Oh, really? Yeah. But it's, it's the name that kind of catches the most fish. So. Well, let's talk more about that, if you don't mind. Sure. We'll, we'll come back to these, your, your older brothers. And you guys are three kids? Three boys and a four year span. And there was a fourth is he's not part of the Yeah. The fourth year brother. He's, he works with us. He works with Joe on every day. Oh really? Okay. And then we have a sister that works with Adam every day. Oh, wow. So we all, all five work together. Mm-hmm. they came a little after our parents had split up and, uh, our, our dad Oh, I see. Our dad, um, we have Tyrell came and, uh, our sister Corey. Oh, we'll, we'll, uh, we'll learn more about that as we jump into the journey. Yeah. And who, somebody named Trainor like, contacted me here at Loco and said, Hey, my sister-in-law. Okay. Tyrell's wife Tyrell's. Okay. That's so cool. That's the fourth brother. Sure. Yeah. I would love to have you. For sure, for sure. Uh, usually when somebody contacts me asking to be on the podcast, it's like some rando financial advisor in Missouri. I'm like, no, we don't do it for sure. Plus not you. Yeah. Thank you. So anyway, sorry. So deviate Joe. So, so you do kind of shiny awesome floors, but not always of epoxy. You were starting to say like what? Uh, yeah. Um, so polyaspartic is the, the actual technical term for the material that we use most often. Um, and that's the residential side, but nobody knows what that is. So, see, easier nobody. Yeah. Polyaspartic Colorado doesn't play as well on the side of the vehicle. typing it into the website is like, yeah, yeah. Spelling that one again, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so that's kind of what, uh, you know, the, the name kind of does, does the trick there. Uh, but yeah, about 70% residential and about 30% either, uh, light commercial or industrial. And is it new install or is it rein, like, doesn't matter to you really much. It's kind of all of it. Yeah. Yeah. So old floors, new floors, um, you know, if they have a coating that's failing, we can, you know, we take that off, apply a new one and yeah. Uh, yeah. But. Pretty much here we are. And what's, uh, is, did you have a couple puke crews? Are you out there spreading the epoxy on? I, I refinished some wood floors once. That was kind fun. And we did the, did the whatever, is it epoxy that you, no, it's not epoxy that you poly saying. Right. Yeah. It was pretty cool. Like how use the sheep cloth and stuff and how like, resistant to not being perfectly nice and beautiful, it was, right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, yeah. So as far as, uh, that, um, you know, a couple of crews, um, I am out there every once in a while, but, you know, as we're talking and we'll, we'll get into that a little bit too about, you know, entrepreneurship, business growth and Yeah. What have you learned and then yeah, how to, how to kind of create the model so that you can have a system that grows. Um, that's kind of what we're in the middle of right now, is that next growth phase. And I think I'll shift it back to you, Brian. Can you kind of fill us out? I know, like I mentioned, I know that, uh, H three construction, uhhuh, uh, and services, there's kind of an expanded title there now, I think. Yes. Yeah. There's, and then Beyond Blue Media with, with Hunter as a facilitator at Local mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. are there other enterprises and, and we can, you know, touch on it more in the time machine or you can just kind of Sure. Yeah. No, I mean I think really those are our two, those are the main ones, focuses beyond Blue Media with Hunter. Do you still do real estate investment and things too? We do do quite a bit. Right. So that's what I spend a lot of my time on. I think we are. before I walked in. That's part of the circus 12 emails from the attorney on, you know, structuring deal structure. Wow. And so, um, yeah, so I mean, we're constantly looking to buy stuff now. We, we are coming into the season of, I think buying right now. Yeah. Right. There's not, it's time to sell when there's lots of perspective, you know, 60 somethings Oh yeah. In the real estate perspective. Yes. Market, the business market too. Like if you want acquire. Yeah, I think if there's, yeah, I think if you wanted acquire, I think acquiring a business is actually a really great way to go. Um, if you're looking to start something. Right. I mean, I think with Epoxy, we looked at it and Taylor did a great job. The marketing was on point and they were getting Yeah, a couple hundred phone calls a month and they were picking up 40 of 'em, you know, and so that was the opportunity there. But I think that, um, yeah, so for us, we got, um, beyond Blue with Hunter who's been on I think a couple maybe. Has he been on? He's been on once. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And, and then, uh, H three construction we did, we used to do a lot of stuff in the front range. Um, we brought in a, a GM there, um, and we took that up too, actually, grand County area and building quite a few homes up there. Interesting. And so we'll see. Oh, so it's more of a home? Yeah, it was a home building company then It too, but it was more of a general contractor, even in the commercial space at first, almost all, uh, custom homes now. Okay. So a different operator with a different skillset, different, not a different skillset. Let's have them do this. Yeah. Very good at what he does. And so, um, he'll take over and make that his own here soon. So, yeah. Cool. And that'll be good. So it's, you know, I think that, I think that's part of this too is just, is, you know, you walk down the road a little bit and you know, like. This isn't forever. I think so many people go like, we're gonna, this is a thing I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take this job and go forever do this thing. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we've all gotten really comfortable with going, I'm gonna try this on for a little bit. And so if somebody came along and wanted to offer way too much money for Epoxy Colorado, you'd be like, okay. And then find another company for Joe to operate perhaps, or whatever. I think we would, yeah. I think the one that we, I think roofings maybe be a little different than that. I think we, I think we like, like there we like, we just like having, it's, we got a lot of family over there, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. I was gonna ask you like, how do we get more the whiskey just like this enough to start a special button in here. I put you keep talking off. The more you talk, the more you get to drink Um, and so, I don't know. I mean, you know, that's always an interesting question cuz we have employees that might listen to this and you go, I don't want them to get the wrong impression. Right. Um, but at the same time, like, you know, roofing's kind of just been a fun thing for us. I think it's a good, it's sort of a good laboratory for our growth anyway as people. And so it's, it's, you know, It's been fun. So, but epoxy is definitely something that's our intention as a company is we're gonna try and grow multiple locations. Joe's goal this year is to, to grow three new branch locations that not Oh, wow. Not franchises, but just Oh, places that can sell the services that, that you guys do. Yeah. It's franchising two person franchises. Franchises. Smart. Yeah. So we're looking at just small markets to find a very small operator to have a very tiny Yeah. People we trust. We got two markets and you know, we, we think we've found the guy that we know we can get. Go let's, we're gonna kind of use you as a lab rat. We're gonna test out this growth piece. Yeah. So we'll do that epoxy. But it'd be neat to sell. I mean, you know, I think if you're not building it, selling it, then if you're not gonna intend to sell it at some point, even if it's just to your employees, um, something, you know, should, why make a baby if you don't want it? Just stay, stay alive. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So, um, I feels like, unless there's other things we should talk about first, let's jump in the time machine and go down to Lahuta. Yeah. Ordway. Ordway. Ordway or originally, yeah. Okay. Is that ar also Arkansas Valley down there? Yep, it is. Okay. From uh, like I've been to Holly all the way across, over to Pueblo. Where's Ordway fit in there? Yeah, you're in there. You're in there. It's right between all of those. It doesn't really matter. It's like Kansas. Think of it like flat Kansas. I'm from North Dakota. Pretty much. Same thing. Basically the same thing, except it's way more colder up where I'm from. Yeah. It's colder up there. Um, you know, there's not a lot there, man. You know, it's funny, it was. Had the most farmed acres in Colorado until like in the mid sixties or something like that. Oh, wow. And then, uh, everybody sold their water. Right. His development happened up north here and uh Oh, wow. Now it looks like a bunch of, so they dryable those farms sold. Yeah, they did like cold buy and dry. Oh, shame play. Yeah. Um, Adam, why don't you, uh mm-hmm. like, talk to me about, Brian already mentioned that you were raised by a single dad. Was that that way right from the start nearly, or, and, and where's his fourth brother fit into the, is he older or younger? Yeah, that's a great story. Adam can, so yeah. Parts of you must tell. I think mom and dad split. I think I was six, so he would've been, I was eight, four. Wow. Um, and yeah, dad I think fought for us and ended up with, uh, with custody and he was, yeah, he was the only one of the few men, you know, with, uh, sole parental rights. Yeah. Right. What, uh, I mean, do you, do you know the context, like what caused them to split and what, why did your dad win custody? Like in that time? That was, uh, yeah, I think pretty unusual. I think parenthood challenges, relationships, probably more than any parent really is going to, is anticipates, right? Mm-hmm. you know, when you're a young couple, everybody's in love and it's sunshine and rainbows and you throw a couple of kids in the mix, especially us, Andre Boys, and we were assholes, man. it challenges people, right? Yeah. And, uh, and you kind of question whether or not, so that's really what you want to do. And Interesting. I think that it just was, uh, he wanted to be your dad kind of on a day-to-day basis, a little bit more than mom wanted to in some ways. My mom, I don't think, yeah, I don't think she was. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's awesome. And even just being daunted by the task, like, oh my God, my body created these four little freaking monsters. Mm-hmm. right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm scared of death. Yeah. It's, it's really hard to say, right? I mean, if we could go back and really know, I don't, yeah. I, and is your fourth brother or is he younger? Oh, you said there was two half brothers from later. No, so Tyrell's me, Tyrell's younger than us, and then mm-hmm. our sister is from our mom, so Tyrell's about seven years younger than I am. And then Corey is nine years younger, so mm-hmm. That's so cool. So kind of a whole different generation really. We were, you guys are the, the circus. Yeah, we we're the circus. And, and you know, even our kids now, like they, they have, they're little batch of kids and they're, they're toddlers, you know, they're, yeah. Our sister has twin boys and our three, our brother has one and a half basically. So, and then my, my daughter just actually today is her 16th birthday's. Right. So it's a pretty big spread generationally, even though we're all in the same, yeah, the same batch technically, but Sure, sure. Yeah. No, I think that, uh, you know, not really, not really sure what caused it. I think that, you know, yeah. Divorce is just one of those things that, you know, I heard, I heard a comedian say one time. He said, no, good marriages end in divorce. You know, like somebody says, oh, that's so sad that this put, why, why is that sad? You know, if it was a good marriage, they wouldn't have gotten, you know why divorce is so expensive, Why? Because it's worth it. It's worth it. Yeah. if, if you need it, it's worth it. Right, exactly. Well, and it's true. I think any marriage is like, I think one bad, one bad move away from that. Right. I think that as you get to have like really real conversations with men and, and you sit down for a real cup of coffee and you go like, how are you? And they go, well, yeah, here's what's, it's, we're unpacking some stuff. Right? Or, or whatever. And so it's, um, maybe, maybe that's most aren't one bad. I know Exactly. Will, they could be one bad move, right? I could be an asshole at least three times before Jill will divorce me. Unless some of it has to do with infidelity, then she's Right. Exactly what I'm saying. Right? I mean, you could screw up pretty easy and so I. Um, you know, you gotta work at it, so, yeah. Fair. But I don't know why I'm doing, tell me about, like, were you guys like athletes? Were you smart? Were you troublemakers? Like what was that? All the above scene, all all those things. You know, I mean, I think that, yeah. One of the coolest things about growing up in a small town was you literally had access to everything there, you know? Yeah. And you could get in trouble. Yeah. I could pick my bicycle and just go when I was five and literally we, we'd pack a lunch cuz we knew we weren't coming back until, until dark. Wow. And so we'd go out and most of the time we were just farting around at the, the park playing, you know, riding our bikes. We have this place called, we called the Dips, and there's just this old dry canal bed. That's funny. That, uh, it's so awesome. We'd ride our bikes in and it's Oh cool. It was like, you can ride the bikes into and out of it. Have like a little jump, basically out it Basical and stuff. Yeah. I love it. We had, we had paths down by the river in the, that's the same thing. McElroy Park where I was. This was down by a ditch. Right. An old canal. I remember one time Brian came in too hot and. And he flew about halfway across it and landed all the way. The bottom, the bike went out underneath me. I just landed right on my ass on and he, he just jumped up and holding his eyes. Oh God. They hurts so bad. Yeah, he probably broke his tail on, there's probably a lot of broken bones that, that are non-ed. You just walk 'em off. Right. Yeah. It was kinda like a don't, don't tell dad, you know, pretty much you just go and sit in your room for a couple hours and just, you know, eat a banana, you'd be fine. How big was this like school you guys went to and stuff? Joe and what? In, in Ordway? Yeah. Um, I would say that the average class size there was probably 20, 20 to 25. Yeah. I think my class would've been 25. I think you like, so, you know, everybody in school, there's probably an elementary school, school, you know, their siblings and half of their parents are the teachers. Right, right, right. It's a small community. I looked at, like, I remember looking at not, not too long ago, and like you'd see the same like five players, you know, that are like mm-hmm. volunteering. It's, it's like three families like run the whole town. Right. And Yeah. Interesting. Not cuz they want to, cuz they have to, they're the ones that have been reproducing the most. Yeah, sure. Right. And so, yeah. Adam, keep, keep going though. What was it, what was it, what was it like? Man, it was awesome. I mean, I, I love that we're from a small town because I think that, that a country kid or a small town kid can come into a city and, and function fine. Yeah. Um, it's almost an advantage, I think it is. You start working hard advantage. Yeah. If you grew up in the city and tried to go live that. you know, rural life. I think that you'd kind of go pretty story crazy. Please. You wouldn't understand the value in it until you did it for a long time. Yeah. You know, I think that even when we go home to this, to this day, I still kind of long for the simplicity of, you know, small town life. I feel you. And so was it like CSU and athletics that ultimately led you guys up here mm-hmm. kind of thing? Yep. Yep. Um, and so like differentiate yourselves a little bit, like what were your distinctive personalities evolving into, and, and did your dad stay single that whole time? Like you were eight, you said Brian? No, he, he got remarried. That's how we ended up with our brother Tyrell. Sure. But like your high school years though? No, he, he ended up just a few years. I was, he was 10 I think was dad's. Oh. So five years maybe with dad. So a couple years, three, you know, he had those girlfriends, you know, where you put up, come for a while, little butthole of a kid, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. we were always like navigating that as kids. Mm-hmm. No. And he ended up getting married to a gal. And, um, and then out of that, um, they weren't, they weren't married very long after dad adopted, um, our brother Tyrell. And, um, it wasn't long after that that they got divorced again. Oh boy. So it was cool, man. I mean, I'm so grateful for it, you know, I'm grateful for that. Um, that chapter. That chapter. Right. So we grew up, you know, we grew up, you know, single father and as a teacher was very poor man, you know? I'm sure. So I'm sure, yeah. Had nothing and, but it was awesome. Right? And so, um, so yeah, we got, yeah, you had enough, had enough for a use BMX bike. And one more. Did you need for sure. That's about all lots of hand-me-downs. Yeah. That was all you really wanted, right? Mm-hmm. was a bike as a kid in a small town, and so, um, for sure. And so then our, our mom ended up, uh, getting pregnant, having our, uh, our sister was sort of a boyfriend figure. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. So then we ended up kind of quickly going from like us to then like another brother and then another sister not too long after that. Interesting. Yeah. Um, what was, and what we can we have a faith segment later, but Sure, sure. What was the dynamic where, where I grew up, it was like Lutherans and Catholics, and you had to kind of pick one. Um, what was that dynamic? In the LA Yeah. Yeah. Our dad was raised, he was gonna be a priest. Mm-hmm. Oh, wow. He was an altar boy. And he was an altar boy. Yeah. Oh, wow. Grandma was dead set on him being a priest. So, and how was, was faith still active as, as your parents were moving toward divorce and things or was it ever really active or like, uh, medium. Medium. I think it was. You went to Sunday school sometimes and stuff like that. Yeah. I think dad did his best to try. I mean, looking back now mm-hmm. you know, you, you kind of, at the time when you're a kid, you don't really realize how much work it is to get three kids out of bed, Oh, get 'em cleaned up, take them to church. And, um, he really did his best to try to get us to church regularly, you know, um, made sure we were volunteering and time and money were always short in that environment. Imagines he, he packed his tools in the back of a Volkswagen, uh, Jetta. Jetta. Yep. And so Amber uploading, like, just loading up toolboxes and saws and drills and all that stuff because he side hustled doing construction and constant stuff basically to try to make a, make a go. That's so my, so my dad came from a divorced household, Uhhuh um, but was a motorcycle mechanic, uh, with a high school education and started a farm when I was five. Oh, wow. Like, didn't inherit a farm or whatever, like found a banker that loaned some money and rented a do that land from his cousins and start then it's now 10,000 acre farm. Okay. Very cool. You know, so he's my kind of generationally it's hard entrepreneurial all by yourself. Yeah. I mean it's, it's very unusual possible. Yeah. Yeah. While most people are shrinking their farms, he was growing his Right. Yeah. Right. It's been a real blessing to see that, you know, and it just really helped share an abundance mentality mm-hmm. and like what your dad was doing. Like that demonstrates the hustle. Yeah. Right. You know, that for your kids, for your families and whatever, you can do a lot, you know, if a, for, if a 40 hour work week is all you can do to manage, to hope to be successful in life. Yeah. Good luck, It's not gonna be that good. I don't think it works. I don't think it works. Yeah. I, I don't think 40 hours is real. So Brian, you were, you were first like graduated high school. Are you two grades ahead of mm-hmm. Adam here? Two grades by Okay. Two and two and two. Mm-hmm. are two. Two, right. Yeah. And then so you pack up your bags with a csu, your track, uh, discus thrower and Javelin Throw already graduated. Yeah. So I had a scholarship to csu. And, um, was that hard for you, Adam, when he took off right away? Or is that just what you expected? I think it was expected. I think that we kind of all Yeah, yeah. Knew that that was coming and, you know, that was a huge opportunity for Brian to have a, a, you know, base base. Were you guys always friends? Like three Amigos? We've always worked really close. Super, super tight. You know, especially I think that, you know, in a single, single parent household with a, you know, dad's, dad's in survival mode. Yeah. The whole time, right? Yeah. So there's, he's working a lot teaching us to work, which I think is maybe one of the best things that we ever, ever got out of our time. It's a blessing to you guys that he was in survival mode, wouldn't ability to work the way that we do. But, um, no, I think that it was just, it was expected and I was like, all right, I get my own room now. Brian. Brian's leaving, so. Yeah, exactly man. Don't let the door hit you, man. Check you later. So anyway, sorry for deviating, but how was, how was that transferred to, it was interesting, big town, you know, college, you know, did you feel. Like, I felt like I was maybe gonna be overmatched, like all the kids were gonna be smarter than me and stuff when I went to college and stuff. You have that same kind of small town. I don't think I ever thought too much about anything. I think I showed up here. I know. I mean, I came up here the day after I graduated, had my stuff in the truck. Um, I had a scholarship csu, and, uh, walked out to the track. I just happened to catch 'em. My life is full of dumb luck, stupid things like that where, I mean, I literally drove up here and, and I got here early and I sat in my truck next to the track until somebody came. Right. And I mean, it was summertime. I mean, Adam can tell you there's, I could have sat there for three days in the right part of the year, and there would've been nobody there. I might've, I would've had no place to stay. I had no plan. What didn't have, I had no house. I had no nothing. So I, you know, I get here. It's a sad Did they send you a letter to I think it was a month. Housing options. Once you get to see No dude. They may be, but I didn't get it. Right. I mean, being a single father, that, that male who knows where it was. Right? Right. Yeah. And so like, I get up here and, and I walk out to the track and Coach Badard is like, what are you doing here, man? You know? And I'm like, you gave me a scholarship and I'm supposed to throw. And he goes, yeah, but it's like the first day of, of summer, August. Yeah. And, and he's like, where are you staying tonight? I was like, I, I don't know. You know? And um, and so I end up sleeping a guy named Casey Malone. So you're the planner type personality? Oh, no. Uhuh. Uhuh. So I show up, I sleep on this dude's couch, Casey's hou couch. I had 800 bucks in cash from like graduation cards and things and. Um, I went to Ram's Point, started calling on the sublease list, and I just offered people 300 bucks for the rest of the summer. Yeah. I just went like, I must have called 70 people right? Without a cell phone. By the way. I was borrowing Casey's house phone, like, I had people cussing me out like, f you man. I'm like, all right, cool. Click. I hung up. And so finally someone was like, yeah, dude, you know, I, I'll, you know, I'm not living there. You can have or 300 bucks. So I drove this guy Terrence's house, gave him the 300 bucks. He happened to be on the track team, which was kind of cool. Yeah. My roommates all end up being either track or football guys. Um, so I, I got up here and a couple days I had like a place to live, right? Yeah. And then, I mean, I had gotten a job at a restaurant in town that set like that same day basically. And then I'm in the house and like the phone rings and says, dude pissed. And he is like, Hey man, where's Carlos? And I'm like, I think he's down tanning. He's the pool tanning. And he's like, tell him he's fired, you know? And I'm like, oh, sweet. I was like, hold up, what's the job? And he is like, oh, it's cleaning movie theaters. I was like, I'll do it. He's like, be at this address. So like, within three or four days I had like three jobs, you know, and I was on a roll. So yeah, here we go. And basically the same shit today is how we do everything you know? So, so, no, it wasn't scary only because, man, I didn't have the time to think about that. Right. I, I mean, I wasn't, maybe I wasn't self-aware, but were you here for an education as well as your all I, or it was either this or the army, right? A path out of LA was, is a way to get out. We were, yeah. We didn't have any money, dude. I mean, it was right. Yeah. There was, if you hadn't have been an amazing athlete, you wouldn't have ever went to college, probably would've gone to the Army for sure. Right? I mean, that was what I, that was the two things I knew of. Right? Yeah. And. Um, got to come up here and, and was lucky enough that they gave me some money to train. Yeah. You know? That's cool. So, and then that was, I mean, I, I saw the potential and I knew what Adam was up to. And were you also like a high school stud Adam? Yeah, he was. I mean, I had football recruiters, like they'd come to watch me at a football game and then they'd be like, well what about that other trainer brother? Right. Cuz he was just so mean. Dude really mean, mean actually was the gentles, you wouldn't think so? No, no, no. Adam. Soft, soft gentleman. Yeah. No, not exactly what I'm known for as my, my softness even. Joe, I'm gonna look to you to, uh, to sometimes be the moderator cuz these are two very large man, you're kind of large. Uh, but like you could beat me up. Easy peasy But these guys are like, like they're big boys. Yeah, big boys. Yeah. Like how was that, like, did you grow up in their shadow In some ways? I, um, I hid a lot. Yeah. So from them because they would beat you up in stuff otherwise. Yeah, no, Bri like Adam. So Adam and I, Adam will be be the closer in age. He and I, you know, butt heads. But it was too easy for Brian. Adam was always just, you know, strong and, you know, um, he had like a, like, I'll, I'll get you. And I was always kinda like, you know, I ain't here to bother nobody. Right. Was chill. And Joe, Joe would come running like, I remember multiple times Joe be like, running up, bro. Adam chasing him and I was like running up and hid me behind me. And Adam was like, but then Brian's gotta take on my fight. But you know, Brian's a big guy, but you know, he's like, as far as that, as, as that Adam's like, right. I will dude outta fight until the last, he tried to stab me once. Dang. We drama here. Some epic fights. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not gonna deny that, but it was, yeah, well, I mean, that's, it wasn't attempt place, attempt, stabbing, attempt. I was a minor at the time, so it's, it's okay. It, it's stricken well, like you were, I'm, I'm guessing, Adam, that you had kind of a lot of anger stuff going on because of the whole situation and stuff. You wanna prove toughness. We did, yeah. Plus Brian's a big stud and like to, to be the big ape, you gotta beat up the big a I gotta bring a. Right. Yeah. Well, and he was, he was bigger, especially in high school. Like, he was, like, he got big early and Yeah, I was kind of just like the slow, steady. Mm-hmm. lower, but boy, when he was a senior, he was, you know, 6 5, 2 65 and I think Oh wow. Like, you know, 180 pounds, you know. So if I was gonna wire strong and you could beat up most of your classmates, but nobody beats up rhyme, you know, a hockey stick or a big, it was a hockey stick. Crystal, no shotguns can tomatoes, my dad was too poor to buy a shotgun, so we didn't have a shotgun. Thank God. If there was been any real weapons. If there was, yeah. That's probably a good thing. Wouldn't be sitting here probably. Yeah. So, um, what's your like, departure after the school? Is it kind of the same pattern? Like Brian's like, Hey, CSU is awesome, you should come here, be an athlete. Mm-hmm. not quite actually. So, um, I was, I had decided I was gonna be a football player, you know, and, uh Okay. Didn't get recruited to any division one schools, and so I had, I'd actually signed to play football for Western State. Oh. In awesome. Right. And my girlfriend at the time, um, got a really good scholarship to come to csu. Oh. And so I had a decision to make, you know, I'd go play football or chase the, the love of my life to csu. And so I, I made the choice to come to school up here and, um, you know, about three weeks in, for some reason I magically ended up on the track floor. in the dorms, which I'm not really sure if Brian had something to do with that or if it was just complete coincidence. But then two weeks into the school year, I got a phone call from the, the track coach. He says, Hey, uh, your Brian said your brother said you want to come walk onto the track team. And I'm like, dude, I got fifth place at state in shot put, you know, I'm like very, very mediocre athlete. But uh, he's like, well just, just come track out. But you probably never had any real training cuz you were at this bohunk little school that didn't Yeah. You know, or maybe not. Maybe your track coach is awesome. I dunno. Coach Murphy was a pretty good throws coach. I just noticed. I came to the, to the track. You didn't, didn't start throwing track until your junior year. I was a baseball player. Right. Fair. Oh, so I don't wanna have a snowball fight with you. I can't throw anymore of my should as bad as your shoulders. Are you? Oh, perfect. Yeah. I rehab mine a couple years ago. I had my, uh, what you call it that rotator Rotator rotator. Yeah. And I rehabbed it for six months before I even noticed a fragment of change. Yeah. And then now I'm John away again and it's awesome. Awesome. Love it. Love. Yeah. Anyway, I digress. Yeah, no, so just, uh, kind of followed her up here and, um, walked onto the track team and, and I made it to the very bottom of the roster. I was the last, last person on the roster because nobody, the 53rd man, literally. Yeah. Actually I was the 54th, but one of the guys didn't make grades and so Yeah. They let me on the track team that works. Um, Why? I don't know, because, uh, you know, the shot put was too heavy for me. The hammer was, I'd never seen a hammer before. Mm-hmm. I'd never seen a javelin before. I'd never really thrown discus, but, uh, kind of started playing around with the javelin and, you know, I, I did some pitching in. You're a grinder though. Like that's my sense is that Totally. Keep working. Working, yeah. That's probably my one talent is just, just grinding it out and, you know, I'll either die trying or, or succeed. Right. but so yeah. Made the track team as a javelin thrower of all things. Yeah. And, um, blew up my elbow my sophomore year. Picked up the hammer, started throwing that. Oh. And then had a really good career as a hammer thrower, so all it was awesome. Wow. American art. That's not, were you an All American or anything? Yeah. Oh, you were too? Three all American. I was a two-time all American and discus. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, it's a fun story, but art always tells about coach when he talks about Adam, he says, The first day he grabbed a 35 pound weight, which is a 35 pound ball on the handle on it, basically. And, uh, coach, I don't know how many times he says you fell down, but basically he says, I, I watched Adam. I'm trying and throw and fall down 30 times. But he got up, well, he got up 31 because it's hard Right. He is hard. He gotta really like hang your ass way out, ball down, counter down. So, but he got up more times than he fell down, right? Yeah. And so that was the moral of the story there. And so he got a position on the team right. And, um, ended up becoming all American. So That's awesome. Good for you. Was a cool deal. Yeah, for sure. Joe, were you, you weren't nearly this size of these big boys. I was. But were you also an athlete? You were the most talented. Was never, never in all, all American. But, um, as far as peer talent though, yeah, Joe's, I, I had some tenacity as well. Mm-hmm. but, um, luckily I had these two that were kind of the, the forerunners for me. And so I was able to inspiration to learn, learn ahead of time. And, you know, I had some, some better resources in terms of coaching and, um, And just kind of, uh, you know, guidelines for how to do it and yeah. And so I was able to, uh, spend a lot more time becoming technical Yeah. Uh, with my, with my throwing. So, um, so yeah. Um, we all, we all were throwers. Um, you came to CSU too then? I did, yeah. I think at one point Joe had the three, a state record in the shot in the discus for Colorado though. It's cool. Yeah. So you don't know slouch either? No, no. Not, not back then. No. I, I just, I never got too much bigger. I mean, I was, I guess about short arms, about 50, 45 pounds heavier in college than I am now. But, uh, he's, I do have T-rex arms, so he's built like a, I'm more like a, I'm more like a gibon monkey, not me. We were just talking about this the other day. My, my wingspan is shorter than my actual height, so, and then Brian, A negative index. Yeah. And he's got like a positive five index in that really got like a positive. Oh my goodness. Weird. That is amazing. That's a really ankles when I'm walking. Yeah. I mean, if, if one of the three of you looks like a big gorilla, it's definitely you, Brian. Sorry. For sure. Yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah, you're welcome. I, you know, I have backhanded compliments. That is a compliment in our, that's one of my, I'll take. Exactly. Yeah. Sweet man. Realistic, by the way. Um, I ran out of the iris whiskey, but I do have, I know we did you in on the iris, we, we've always said we're Iris Joe did one of those 23 and me, this is Noah's Mill bourbon. Looks good. Okay. If we, if we get to, let's move on to that for sure. Just for the, for the audience. I'm trying to go slow. Well, I've been pouring 'em really small because we got a long conversation and. you know, we don't even send anybody home the first bottle, so we'll get to the Yeah, well they were just, it was a little bit, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're all good. I, I'm feeling fine. I feel good. Yeah. So sorry Joe, but uh, so you take a different track though, um, and go into teaching. Yeah. Right. So, um, yeah, it was kind of one of those things whenever we were growing up, uh, in a small town you kinda see the people that are successful around you are a couple of different things. You know, you've got coaches, you've got teachers, and then you've got like bankers, business people. Right. And so elevator, there was a thing called the county commissioner. I remember what in the hell that is. But yeah, my best friend's dad was the, the county commissioner. Yeah. There aren't that many examples of like highly successful people. Yeah. Right, right. You could be a truck driver. That's a pretty good job. Or farmer. Right. But generation like farmers, I've always looked at it and gone, if you don't already own one, you aren't gonna get one. Right, right. Yeah. Make money. No, I mean that's the normal thing and mm-hmm. you better be pretty passionate about. Mm-hmm. farming, But I, as far as like all of us, um, we all got our, uh, our teaching degrees and yeah, we're all teach Oh really? Cleveland? Mm-hmm. Okay. Cuz that was the easy stuff. Uh, it just seemed obvious, right? Yeah. Well kind of was bro. Yeah, there was a little bit of that especi with the athletic side of it too. And you want to say, Hey, you know, this is a good way to make a living, but also, you know, it can stay involved coaching and everything like that. Totally. Yeah. Yep. Actually it makes a lot of sense. It's frankly better than as an athlete. I think that's why a lot of athletes go there. Right? Cuz you get to. like Joe said, you get to coach and Right. Yeah. Well, and there's nothing, if you love something, there's really nothing more rewarding than being able to share it with other people. Yeah. And helps them get there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Absolutely. And so, so yeah, you go, you're staying in their hometown. You, where'd you go to, you went to csu, your teacher stuff and went, got all that back home instead of these guys started doing roofs and random stuff. And then I, uh, so I moved out to Fort Morgan, taught a year out there. And then my wife and I, whenever we, um, got pregnant with our first child, uh, got an offer to move back to Lata and teach there. So that's what we decided to do and, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I got to do that. It's what a cool thing teaching thing, coaching, like I hope that was honoring kind of, and it was, it was really good. Yeah. It was nice. Yeah. And, you know, we kind of talked about the, the difference in, um, you know, growing up in a small town versus a big city. And the one thing that I'll say that I, I think is, is super valuable from growing up in a small town and LA Hunt is bigger than Ordway, but still small town. Right, right. Is uh, just the idea of community that you get there. Yeah. Uh, so, you know, if you, if you're going off the rails or something, tap the shoulder. Be like, people know. Yeah. And so, you know, everybody knows you, you know everybody. And so you can't just hide out and, and be on your own. You have to, you have to connect in. Yeah. And I think that that's something that really is beneficial for, uh, the world of entrepreneurs, of sort is, is learning how to say like, Hey, I need other people to, to help me in my life. I need to be able to connect. With the world that's outside of me. And so, um, well, and it was that way. Community was big. You could be poor kids. I remember like, you know, literally like we all had like those two families that would feed us each, we had, you know Yeah. Mm-hmm. and, um, we would just, kids he'd walk around town, he go like, I'm gonna, cause dad wasn't gonna make dinner cause he was off on a project after he was teaching all day. And then he went after wherever. And so, and then he went back to school. He went back to school when we were kids. Yeah. Got a teaching degree. Got a teaching degree. And so, I mean, I can't, I don't know how he did it really, honestly. Well, it was insane, man. I remember him waking me up at like, when I was like nine or 10. Right. And like, he was getting ready to drive to Pueblo's an hour away. So he'd wake me up at like six 15 Right. And be like, all right, you get up and here's what you're feeding your brothers. And like, I would just like, I remember just like sitting at the table. Yeah. Like waiting, like, okay, I'm gonna stay here for 40 minutes cause I know if I fall back asleep, I'm not gonna, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so get up and then give those guys a shake and we'd eat whatever. Weird. Yeah. Food. I would cook pop pie, like Yeah. I remember cooking like these, like frozen pop pies in the microwave. Like, oh god, they're disgusting, bro. They legend. Soggy, right? Yep. Yeah. Banquet pot pie. They were 33 cents a piece or 25 cents a piece. They probably were. And that's what we ate. Right. And I remember we said we ate so many of those dude. Well, and I didn't share it, but like, it wasn't so simple as my dad, like got a farm loan and started a farm. Yeah. For 12 years. He worked full-time at the motorcycle shop or maybe another eight years of that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. and dumped every dollar the farm made back into the farm. Yeah. And, and stayed, you know, working. $27,000 a year. Motorcycle mechanic job, or 24 or something back in those days. 22. Um, well, and it was a different, when was that in the, you know, eighties, nineties? Well, I graduated high school in 92. Right. And he left the, he was part-time until I was a senior in high school, I think. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and dude, everybody was broke back then, right? Oh yeah, for sure. Well, started farm, we were poor. Right. And it's like, well, everybody was poor. Like you didn't know you were poor in Norway, Colorado. Like, we're all broke. You were the same as everybody else. Kinda. You said the teachers were the successful. They had the money, they drove like that new, they had only four year old car. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You didn't see, like up here, you see new trucks everywhere, man. And like, you didn't see, like if somebody bought a new truck, like you're like, oh, damn. It was the talking of the town, you know, when like the, some farmer, some farmer get a new like F two 50. Right. And dude, you know, and so dodge remarkably similar cultures, I suppose. Yeah. And, and so good. And it's like up here is just this land of just opportunity and no doubt about it. Right? And, and so yeah. I mean it's, uh, well, and there's just a lot more going on, right? Like, it's like if you start the most it Disney, the land for business business, its the most amazing businesses business ever in downtown Lahuta. Mm-hmm. like it will die in three months because there's no, there's no marketplace for it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. So I, I think I've feeling like we kind of covered a lot of that transitioning into business realm. What are some of the things like how did that, that. Not your core business thing come to life. And, and what was that and, and what are some of the principles that, that you've really developed and, and implemented in your Joe's moving his micros underway? Are you getting more whiskey or what? Gotta get a little more Joe's like, this is not my department, bro. Yeah. I would say that Adam. You, I mean, from the very early age, like Brian was always like very industrious, like had jobs. Sorry. You're good. I don't know how to use a microphone, jack. I just put Yeah. I mean, I remember get closer even when, you know, Brian was 10, 11, 12 years old. Like he'd, there was like this dumpy, really sketchy like little apartment building, like a block away from our house. Yeah, bro. Yeah. And he got a job. Being the janitor, you know? Yeah. I was fourth grade, I was a Jan, I had the keys to this place. Right. So, and I look at my fifth grade son going, I, he can't even put the same two shoes on to go to school anymore. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I had keys, like I was driving a combine when I was 11, Joe. Exactly. Totally. Exactly. So I still remember one time Brian came over to the house and got me, he's like, dude, I need, I need your help. And I was like, oh boy. Yeah. So we go over there and like the sewer had backed up into like the, the, like the laundry room, basement laundry room, and you're the biggest van. And it's like, I was sewage in there and we're, and we're like, what do we do? And so we just got a shop vac and cleaned it up, you know? Yeah. And so, like, I was like 10 or couldn't have been more than much. Eight or 10. So here with two kids, two, you know, figuring it out. Right. Well, there's, there's a lot of value of that. There is. I, I got fired from that job cuz I, like the vacuum had busted and like, I didn't tell him and I'd been just like sweeping the hallways carpet, you know what I mean? To get whatever weird chunks said. So the hokey Yeah. It was it. And like he basically like, let me go. Yeah. Which I mean makes, I can't believe I so goes kept job as long as I did Yeah. A couple years of that. Yeah. So, so what, like, how, let's, let's go back. Different question. Mm-hmm. Like what are the like mission, vision, values, even if you haven't, maybe you've defined and maybe you haven't, but for the trainers, brothers circus, like mm-hmm. What are the principles that you really operate your enterprises with and under. And I'll make that an open question. I think it, yeah, yeah. Leave it better than we got it, right? Mm-hmm. like, I think that was sort of where we started with our dad was always like, if we like, get a concrete job in somebody's backyard, he'd make us mow the lawn, you know, and, and, and rake it up. And so, but I don't know, I, I honestly, I think that, you know, at any given time, I mean, like I said with marriage, maybe I'm wrong about that one bad move thing, but these things could go to shit, you know, all of 'em, everything's fragile. It's all personal. Fragile, fragile. I mean, you know, and, and so I think for us, I look, we have some key employees and, and some men and women that work for us. And, and this isn't maybe the mission statement, but I look at it and I go, that's really why I feel good about doing it is we could all go make more money potentially at times doing something else for somebody else, you know? And, um, but I think it's those people. But, but Adam, why don't you, I mean, you know, I, I, I think that there's a real question you're asking and I, I'm getting all like hippy dippy with it. But actually I think I want to call our first break because we're gonna get into some of the business principles that maybe we'll catch a good clip here and dig a western break, and I'll come back with that question. Okay? Okay. So when we left off, we were starting to talk about business principles. But Adam, you had a story of, uh, the past that you wanted to share before we transitioned. Yeah. And this has nothing to do with business, but it was, it was kind of funny how that's all, you know, sometimes Joe fits into the equation a little differently than Brian and I being the, you know, Brian and I were the, the gorillas, the OGs, you know, the 800 pound gorillas in the room. And, um, bro, where are you going with this? All through college, me and Brian talked about wanting to go compete in the Scottish Highland games. Oh. And, uh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Coach said, not on your life, you know? Right. You might hurt yourself and you do that. You get hurt. You're gonna screw your scholarship up. You can compete. Right. So, so I graduate, me and Brian are like, we're doing it, and we go up to S'S Park and, uh, we borrowed some kilts from some people. went down to the training room and got a pair of football cleats from the, from the supply house. Yeah. See you guys old, you know, some guys that left some cleats behind. And so Brian and I are up there competing, you know, throwing heavy things and you don't really know anything. You've never practiced, never seen these of this stuff. Yeah. we'd literally never seen any of these influences before. And we went about this experience two and everything. I think we took, and Brian broke a few amateur records, they wouldn't let us compete against the professionals. They're like, no, you've like literally never done this before the record. No. What's this thing? Yeah. They're like, you can't compete with the pros. We're okay, fine. Well, so Brian broke like half the records he took first, but this is a beer league. What the hell? Yeah. What's a we've we would've placed him like the top seven in every single living in the pro. Both of us would've. Yeah. That's cool. Anyway, so, so Joe, Joe was there watching and uh, somebody says, well, Joe, why don't, why aren't you out there competing with those guys? And he goes, I do crosswords. I'm, I'm the intellect. I'm smarter than the intellect brothers. Yeah. And this was just some random strangers, so don't, it's not like it's, you know, our grandma asking her something like that. That was a great, but that was Joe's sense of humor too. Yeah. It's dry and he is the intellect. So it, it's spinning. And was, that was fun. I mean, me, Adam, both have been to USA Championships. I've been to a couple Olympic trials and mm-hmm. Right. Uh, that was the most fun I've ever had. Competing a blast. I mean, they bring up these little sniffers just like this after every event. Yeah. no shit. And there's like 10 of 'em, right. And they're like, here's your whiskey and you're going, this is awesome. There was, there was a, a scotch lady, there's this lady lady walking around with a, with a stack of shot glasses and a bottle of scotch and walking around. I'm gonna coop there. This is a very good commercial for the Scottish High there games. There you go. Actually, good time. And we got to compete with like, yeah, we had fun top competitors in the world. Mold. Yeah. Yeah. So related but adjacent. Um, and since we're tell, still telling stories, um, So we, Cinco de Mayo, we always have the Saturday of Cinco de Mayo. We always have a backyard party. Mm-hmm. and it celebrates our moving into our old town home. My wife and I, we don't have children and so we can have parties when we want to. Yeah, yeah. You go to bed whenever you want. And uh, and in February of 99, right before we bought our, no, 2009 right before we got our house, Jill and I caught a bunch of mahimahi. So we had a, a Cinco de Mayo party. We brought four taco full mahi mahi back and blah, blah blah. And it eventually led into my damn food truck. Cause I had cilantro, my full slide developed for that. Anyway, longer story, but I think in year two we had a really good crowd and we had a ping pong tournament that was basically a margarita drinking contest disguised as a ping pong mm-hmm. tournament. Mm-hmm. And the, the brackets, they were a little loose. Um, but I, I was the champion ultimately Nice. The margarita drinking or ping pong. Well, both basically a test of both. Like how good can you play ping pong when you are drinking? Double the legal lip margarita. Yeah. Yep. Awesome. So anyway, I digress. Um, let's talk about business. Like what is it that got you guys to, you were, is it you basically, Brian, that that created the love for business and you, Adam, that had the desire to. Achieve and conquer and tear down the walls is that combination. The, I mean, it's the initiative. It's like easy to start something when you got like a dude to run through the walls, return on, you know what mean the walls or whatever. And so it's like, sure. Right. But, but I mean to, you know, all the stats on how long most businesses last, we don't need to go through 'em. But, you know, it only works. It only works. I think it worked for us. I only get to be me if Adam's him. Right? Yeah. Um, and so if I said, this sounds like a good idea, and he goes, cool man. All right. You know, um, that was cool. Let's go. You know? And, uh, it doesn't work if he doesn't do that. Yeah. You know, cause we've actually messed, we've messed with some businesses without him and it didn't work very well. Right. when I don't have a guy like him around, like my ideas fall on their face. Right. And so you have to, you gotta have that if you're, I, and I'm not gifted enough to be all those things, so it's, I'm, I am what I am. Right. Well, and in our conversations that weren't recorded, we talked about really the value of diversity and Yeah. I'll definitely want to do a, the halo relational intelligence conversation with you guys. Mm-hmm. I dunno know if you've seen some of my stuff, my postings online, but it's like disk on steroids, but simpler. Yeah. And recognizing and appreciating diverse strengths and capabilities. Yeah. And like honoring everybody for who they are, where they're at, and valuing them for what they are and giving yourself credit for what you do. Like that's been woven throughout this conversation. Mm-hmm. So how do you guys do that intentionally at the circus? Yeah. I think Joe do have that. I think it was, I think we kind of came by it honestly. You know, I think that, yeah, you just kind of worked your way into it, like figuring it out. I think that for one thing, just being that we're siblings, like I can't just tell 'em to f off and never see 'em again. Like we have to, we have to work. Thanksgiving gets super awkward and there have been holes kicked in walls and um mm-hmm. But, uh, you know, Brian and I built our first website, my, in my dorm room, in my wife's dorm room. Actually we didn't have a computer. She had a computer. Was that girl you followed up here? Is this who became your way? We've been married for almost 21 years now, so, and we married sisters, right? So we're married to sisters. Brian pointed at me. I'm, you guys could start. Copy. This is gonna be very confusing for anybody listening cuz we all sound pretty very similar. Who the F is talking? Is it like, I could hear my voice. I was like, that's not my voice. Multiple personality, Joe. Talking my voice. I hear my voice, but Joe's the one with his mouth. Yeah. Anyway, so, you know, we built our first website together as I was a freshman. Brian was a classic. Cons, right? Classic construction. And, and from a, I think we put like 47 years of experience combining combined because we put our dad's name on the business. I started working when I was three years old, for sure. Dad's got 40 years. He's near seventies. I've been doing this. Uh, no. We've, we always had that sort of, we were always attracted to kind of doing it on our own, doing it for ourselves. You got no fear. Be betting on ourselves. Mm-hmm. I think that that was one, one thing, nothing to lose, kind of coming up from a small town, not having a lot of money, not having a lot of resources, we got very resourceful. Um, we learned to succeed early, you know, through athletics and Yeah. Being a janitor when you're 12 years old, stuff like that, so mm-hmm. I think that it, it seemed pretty natural to, to kind of go down that road of entrepreneurship, you know? Well, I think that's one thing I would pull out of this tangled string of conversation just the last few minutes, is like, you better have a high motor if you want to be an entrepreneur. Yeah. A thousand percent. Yeah. Yeah. For, I mean, I think that for sure, a lot of people think it sounds cool, you know? Sure. From the outside looking in, and I think like right away, if you're going to do it, you realize like, this is not a nine to five job. No. Like, if you're lucky, it's a five to nine job and it's, it's seven days a week for a long time before you get to take your first Sunday off. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, and it's kind of like that, what's that guy with the financial thing, you know, if you live like nobody else for a while. Yeah. Dave Ramsey. Yeah. Yeah. Live like nobody else so that you can live, if you build a business that empowers its people to execute the mission and do its thing mm-hmm. Yeah. Then you can live by like nobody else on the other side of it. Yeah. You don't have to have a five to nine. You can have a freaking nine to. 11. Yeah. It's even, you know, for that business at least to move on and do some other interesting things. Right. And eventually, I think you figure out, you don't really even, I, I used to wanna retire like at 40 Right. And then Right. Whatever, but you don't really, how old are you guys? 40. I'm 42. Oh, dang. You're so young. 41 babies. I'm 41, Joe, what are you, 39? I'll be 39 and a month. Mm-hmm. February 20 20th, popped. Yeah. And, and so I don't think, I don't know if I want to quit, right? Like, I, I like it. I like having fun. I like the pieces of myself I find along the way, right? Mm-hmm. like, there is like these, like, you are eating self-awareness. You can bleep you eat shit sandwiches every day, you know, and, and you get good at it. Right? And, and I think it's that we, you know, I don't know, man. I mean, I, I know for me, I wake up and I go, did I, did I just, did I just screw all this up? Am I, and I'm, I'm an idiot, you know? And, and then you gotta kind of pick yourself up. And I think every day you go through that cycle, you've seen multiple people put up those like posters of like entrepreneurship being like, ah, I'm taking over the world. Like Right. I lost everything. Right, right, right. And it goes up and down and back and forth, and you just, and that journey is, is is really the point. Right. Well, and like, this is an interesting perspective to come at it from, but like, entrepreneurship being a journey and like I've just heard you talking about like imposter syndrome maybe For sure. With different words. Mm-hmm. but you guys. almost like the quintessential like powerful American white male. Sure. You know, you're like big white guys, you know, with educations college degrees going into politics, you've got all these advantages. Should we, yeah. Should we dress into politics? I mean, that leads well into politics, right? I mean, it's just like, like is that the secret of your success? Because you're powerful, big, large. I think it'd be hard not to admit that. Like that's definitely, you know, a contributing factor. Yeah, it is, man. I mean, I come up here, I come up here a poor kid, and, and I put on the right clothes. Yeah. And I'm a big white guy. Yeah. And nobody ever thinks anything, but, but if a black kid comes up here and he puts on the clothes, he still a black kid. He's scarier. He's a black kid. Right. Like, and, and like, so I can, I can hide my ignorance or I can hide my, you know, I can show up and they will automatically think I know something. But I mean, that, that kid, kid, you can pretend like, what's that fake until you make it. Sure, sure. Yeah. But the black kid still got like, you're still a black kid, man. Like, still look at you and like, you gotta prove it. You don't get just to wear like the tie and get away with it. Right. They'll, they'll assume I've got it. And with him, you go, cool, now you gotta prove it. Right. As, as a, as an African American boy. Right. And so it's almost like, make it till you make it in that regard, right? Yeah. Right. Like you gotta keep on proving, improving, improve work. Yep. Yeah. People just assume, so life has been maybe easier for you because hundred, you are a hundred percent, you know, those stallions of the, if you will, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I, I've always felt like, you know, which comes with its own set of. Like cautions and responsibilities. There's the same things. Right? Right. Yeah. There's no, there's no safety net really for, for that environment, but mm-hmm. um, you know, I know you said that you talk about faith a little bit, and I've always been a believer in, um, you know, the higher power, whomever he or she might be wants a lot for us. They want prosperity for us. They want, they want success and happiness for us, but it's not just gonna be given to you. Right. Sorry, a little closer. Closer. A little closer. Um, well, and I think Adam's something that, growing up in that, that, that faith environment, the Catholic church, whatever it is, I think mm-hmm. um, when you were taught at a young age, like you were put on this earth for something, right? Mm-hmm. you were, you were, you have a special gift to give us. Right. You have a admitted together, that kind of stuff. Yeah. I think that simple belief gives you something in, you know, in those harder times where you go like, God, man, I'm, I'm supposed to bring myself to this world and, and I'm a gift. Right? And I think guys that don't know that, I don't believe that. Um, that's the guys I talked to and I go, man, you're in trouble, bro, because like, you know, you are for one, you are. I believe that those guys that don't believe it, like they are, they're a gift. Right, right, right. Like, bring it, and like, for sure, we're, we're, it'd be a pleasure to see who you are and what you bring to this, you know? Mm-hmm. but, you know, I mean, whatever those blessings are, whatever those gifts are. And, and that, that balance, you can spoil 'em way too easy set aside for you. Like you gotta go get it. Right? Right. Like, you've gotta go earn that. It's only if you, it's there for you except that mental, if you put in the work, if you have the intentionality and the awareness to go to go grab that. Um, but, you know, and I mean, kind of circling all the way back to the whole, you know, business, um, kind of mindset and, and sort of foundational values, you know, like we got into building this company and growing in this company and the series of companies and, um, you know, I think every entrepreneur reaches a point where they're just in ultimate grind mode, right? and Yeah. And you're worn out, you're tired, you don't have any money. You're not, you're not sleeping. You hardly see your kids. we're there now and your, your, your, your growth phase man flew there. But what do they say? Like, you know, go to work for yourself so you can be free. Right? Like, you're free to work 120 hours a week. Yeah. And you know, I kind of had a moment, I, this is a decade ago where we were just in, you know, deep, deep in the grind and I was questioning myself, you know, so just a good job. Why am I doing this? Like, why do I, why do I still want this, right? Mm-hmm. you know, because as, as much as I'm feeling worn out and tired and, and just really weary through the process, like I still want to do it. And I had to do a lot of soul searching at the time. Like, why am I still, so who's that about? Bouncing for a. in this game. Yeah. And I just kind of realized, I was like, I'm, I'm here to serve people. Right. I was put on this planet to be a servant to my, to my people, to my family, to my community. And, and this is my conduit to do that, right? Yeah. And, uh, if I can make some money doing that, great. You know, but like, really what gives me like that deep joy and satisfaction is to just go and, and serve people, you know, and be a solution and, and sort of a bright spot for people. Yeah. Well, I, I hate to interrupt and I'm sorry, but No, I was thinking about Luke. Mm-hmm. our local think tank member. Mm-hmm. that, that really is the general manager of your business. Mm-hmm. nine 70 oh services, you're the president. Mm-hmm. And like the way you didn't find necessarily joy in that general manager role Oh. Hate it. Of sales and this and that. Yeah. And so, and he does, like, he loves the fact that he has the opportunity Yeah. To be mm-hmm. kind of the, the, the flag bearer and the, you know, the, the business manager he does, he represents the brand. He does. Does, absolutely. Yeah. And, and so for him, like that's a joy. Mm-hmm. and for you it was a burden. Right? And so when you can put people in a place where they're gonna find a joy and you're gonna find a burden, like duh. Absolutely. Right? Absolutely. And that's what I see. That's what I hear a lot about you guys doing. It's just like figuring that out. I think going off of that too, um, one of the things that, that you kind of figure out is not every burden has to be your burden. Mm-hmm. Uh, and I think that that. You know, we always talking about like, you know, putting on the tool belt. Um, but, you know, strapping on the bags iss somebody who actually like to carry this, but some, sometimes it's like you're not supposed to put on the bags, you know, so whenever you think like, all right, this is a burden and so I need to handle this and need to do this, and, you know, there's somebody over there like, that's supposed to be my thing, but this guy's doing it and I guess he's, you know, So I better let him do his thing, but Yeah. Yeah. You know, a lot of times it's like finding out whenever you can unload that and giving that to somebody else, because a lot of times there is somebody else that can do it a lot better than you and totally free, free you up to do something that you should be doing. So Yeah. And I think that that's one of the, the hardest lessons to learn for, to release new entrepreneurs. Like, to accept the fact that you're not good at everything. Yeah. You son a bitch. And even if you are like, you know, for me, whenever I was a teacher, I was like, there was plenty of things that I was not good at. Right. But it's like I have to do them because Yeah. Yeah. It's, nobody else do. This is the dub description and whatever. And so you just kinda get used to saying like, all right, from start to finish, it's me. Well, and that's why it's solo entrepreneurship is so hard. Mm-hmm. because almost nobody can be all of the things that a business requires to really be a business. Right. And do them all well. Right. Yeah. There's, there's very, it's a special person that can really pull those Really rare. Yeah. And they have to be basically antisocial to also not want help. It has to be, I think something that like. You know, most businesses I don't think are genuinely like, oh God, I dream of roofs. You know what I mean? Like governors think about roofs or epoxy flourishes. Like we don't, right? Like we don't, and, and, and I think that, so for it to be something where it's like a solopreneur and it does really well, it has to be like, okay, I'm obsessed, passionate project of some sort. I'm creating this art this, and then all of a sudden it makes a bunch of money and they go, oh, okay, now my thing's making, now I need to hire, help harsh people. Everything initially, like, uh, yeah. It has to start as a passion project for you. Yeah. So you'd be better off in some ways if you, if you love business and idea of being free in that way, it almost, it'd be better off to buy something than it would be to try to start something. Because, cuz there's a lot of people that aren't passionate about a specific thing, but they're passionate about freedom and entrepreneurship and flexibility in the American way and all that. Right. I think, and there's so many old people coming down the pike to wanna sell their businesses, right? Mm-hmm. Right. Get 'em right. Absolutely. Yeah. I, I agree. I think it'd be, I think there's a lot of opportunity to, you know, especially now you're gonna see some downturn. I. Um, what's some sets going up? Something. So we haven't talked about your real estate practice at all. Brian. I want give you like a one minute thing. Like what do you, you buy your own stuff mostly. Do you want clients, do you do first time home buyers? Do you do what? A lot of clients, yeah. What's your niches like? Just people that you've bumped into that trust you along the way? You know, I've never marketed before. I mean, I've been in it for marketing now. Not popular enough. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's something that, like 2005 I started it, I, I saw the opportunity to set new construction cause I knew the construction world, so I started seeing that. Um, but no man, I help, I, I mean, most of my business, all of my businesses is just referrals through my, my database help. Yeah. You've known the region for forever. I've known it for a long time. I know the people done projects on flips, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I, I think I have that unique thing where I, I get to like, I know the market, I know, I know the houses really, really well. And so I'm able to be resource. I've never, I've always been very client centric and, and not deal centric. Yeah. And so I think that for me, that's been key to my, my limited success. But no man, it's, it's just, it is, it is just, you know, me selling real estate, I don't, you know, I buy some of our stuff, but, um, but really it's just, I don't know. I do a fair amount. Right. Yeah. I'm of business in that way. You, you, how couldn't people know you, you calls because of that. And I've got a team, right? I mean, I've got a, I don't know, don't worry folks. That was just a burning bottle falling. That was another empty apart. It was started out as a apart. They were both what was like a third was like a third listening at home. So four big guys have drank, four big guys had a couple sips of whiskey. Yeah. Little tiny sip sips. Yeah. Little tiny. Nothing fear here. Nothing. No. But, but real, you love it obviously. It seems like. I like it. I like helping people. Um, you know, I got into the market in 2005, six, so I, I was buyer-centric because that's what was good. Yeah. And you know, there was a lot of pain around selling a house cause everybody was losing money. Yeah. So I've always been more buyer-centric, but, uh, you know, it's, it's served, it's what it's done is it's allowed me to do that business in, in a, in fewer hours than 40 a week and, and be a part of what Adam and Joe were doing and something of the company. So it's, it's been a gift. Yeah. That's awesome. I think to come back to what you were talking about a little bit, please earlier, Kurt. Oops. Um, we, uh, because he asked like, what's the, you know, what's the underlying mission? What are your guys' values? Thank Joe. Yeah. And he's the smart one. Yes. Well, intellect. So when you look at intellectual, all of our different businesses and, um, and see kinda. what drives the, the motivation behind that? It is, it's serving people. Yeah. And like Adam hit on earlier is, uh, you know, it's really about if we hire somebody new, you know, we always sound 'em like, you're gonna be, you know, part of this family and, and we're gonna, you know, what if we can do to take care of that person and find a way to hopefully make their lives better? That's really, yeah. At the end of the day, like the bottom line isn't the dollars and cents, but it is the people that we get to work with. Yeah. You know, serve as our clients, Brian's clients, um, and employees, uh, that, that work with us as well. Well, and the consistency I've just thought about was that all of the business interests that you've talked about, all the way back to your maintenance job at the apartment building with the sewer overflow is doing things that people don't want to, or can't effectively take care of by themselves. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, I don't know how to put a, a beautiful epoxy slash whatever. What's the big name? AP Polyaspartic. Polyaspartic Flo, my garage, but I know I want it. Sure. Mm-hmm. you know, and so can I trust you to put that in, you know, whatever. It's a roofing, it's the restoration, it's real estate. Find me a house that I really want. I don't even know what I really want. You know, all those things, like, that's all of business, but especially, that's what I see you guys doing. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The H three, the Beyond Blue, like, I don't really want, I don't wanna be on social media, No, absolutely. Whatever. You know, even if Beyond Blue, like with Hunter, our conversation recently was just putting, you know, Printing pictures out of the families Yeah. Of the companies we market for. Right. Because I think that those kids sit in the office, I call 'em kids, and they're gonna hate when they say that kids, they look, they're, you know, and, and they, and I think they need to see that they're like marketing for these families. And like, this is the, you know, you're paying for dance lessons and you're paying for Yeah. That's one of those visionary type ideas. Absolutely. Right. And, and you just go, Hey guys, this the who, this is not just an SEO number and you're seeing the little one go up and you did a better job. Like, you do that and you do a good job of it, and you help this little kid go to camp this summer, you know? Right. Or, you know, you feed family. Cool. And so I think they lose a little bit of that and that company, because you don't get to see your customer day to day. And like Adam does, he's interfacing, he's, he's at their front door. It's very tangible, you know? And so in those, in that marketing style business, I think that we've, you know, I've looked in and going, I think you really need to understand how important what you do is, it's just critical. That's cool. These companies, so Adam, you're kind of the face in a lot of ways for the client contact, you know, what needs to happen in a lot of these situations and stuff. Gimme some context on that. Yeah. Depending on the bit in general, on the job, depending on the job. Like it, you're in the field a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. right? Yeah. Like, you wanna make sure all the jobs are done. Right. Right. And I'm, and you're the person that people trust to make sure it gets done right. You're not there pounding nails. No, but there's, there's a lot of, for me at least, there's a lot of attachment to, to that relationship and that, that promise. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. and, uh, and I'm a control freak, so, so handing over any part of that process, you know, you talk about the solopreneur, like in, at the beginning, I. writing spreadsheets for writing bids and Trying, trying, literally trying to do that over controlling it and just, and doing it all really badly. The one thing that I was really good at was the service component of it. But, um, yeah. You know, I think that that, that face-to-face, um, you know, connection with people was really special to me. You know, just the Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Well, I mean, that was our, our original connection. I, I met you guys separately. Mm-hmm. Joe, you at some random event, and then you came to some of the old town Tuesdays, the Thursdays, couple times on Thursdays. Yeah. They were Thursdays. Tuesdays and then Adam, we were in line for lunch or something. Mm-hmm. I think at the, if I remember right, it was at the old, the Colorado, uh, youth Outdoors in my in line for lunch there. Yeah, yeah. Kind of thing for their things. I don't know. First time I met you was at the, uh, oh, before that. That's why I remember talking to you. It was the, uh, and I didn't realize you were so young looking at me for help. I'm like, bro, I, I was not there. The Stand Everett thing though. Oh, legacy. Yeah, the legacy. Legacy Project. Project. That's I'm project. Yeah, they had, yeah, exactly. And I had no idea, honestly, that you were so young in business at the time, like you were only a couple years. Yeah, maybe a year or two. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, you carried yourself well. Well, thank you. Like I was like, I should get that guy into a think tank chapter and then he like slipped away from me and Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. See Adam, I mean, to the point that he's, you know, he, I mean, I think you wrote the code for Loveland. Yeah. For roofing. Uh, yeah. The most, the most, like the way it should be. Finally, finally, finally. It's cool. It's taken a while, but yeah, I was, I, I helped write the, the code for, um, city level and roofing. That's cool. Which we kind of modeled after sort of our, some of our neighbors, but you know mm-hmm. in Colorado, like it's a, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of, lot of hail, right? Yeah. And, um, you know, insurance gets involved in that. And so a lot of times your, your code actually over fixing really important piece to Yeah. Whether or not you have coverage on certain things or you don't have coverage. Depends on, well, what's the code saying? It helps the homeowner get paid. Right. If code helps, it's required, the homeowner gets a better roof, really helps take care of the homeowner and, and build clarity around that whole what the obligation, obligation is and stuff. Exactly. So you have a kid getting done with swimming lessons soon and so we're gonna try to get you outta here in 30 minutes, Adam, is that right? Yeah. Wrestling practices, wrestling practice, something. We got, we got 20 minutes. Okay. And he's, he's slow. So yeah, what we can do is we're gonna do faith, family politics. Awesome. Um, oh man. And we usually go one topic at a time. It's up to you guys. Should we just let Adam do all three of those? Let's let him roll if he has to go. That's a pressure. He's a lot of pressure. You're a focus member for a minute or. All right. And, uh, and then yeah, if you have thoughts after that, we'll we'll share 'em before you go. But that we, we'll get you out there. Your kid won't be like, awesome. Where's dad? They'll be good for him. So, faith, family, politics. We forgot Joe at school. Where do you wanna start? Yeah, we did 30 minutes away from school and uh, there was a couple times we'd, sorry, I turn your earphones up a little too high there. Brian and I would get home from school and uh, like the phone would be ringing when we'd walk in the house and it'd be the people at Joe's school. And they're like, um, somebody coming to get Joe. We're like, oh, oh yeah. Oh shit. Yeah, we're half hour away. Turn around. Yeah. We call an aunt to see if she can pick up or something like that. So stay. Joe had a lot of unplanned sleepovers back in the day. So Yeah. We had this interesting, we had this little, cause your dad was doing like 80 hours a week. We had, dad was like doing his thing or coaching and we'd like had this little tiny car and we would like a festiva. There was, at one point, I think there was a point where I think Pops couldn't drive, right. He had, he had to mix up with whiskey bottle or something. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He, so I'm driving right? So it's like we go by the junior high. Dad is a teacher. We drop off. and Dad. Then we go by the elementary school and drop off Tyrell and then me, Adam, go to the high school We do that all over again at the clown car, bro. Yeah, we do that again at the end of the day, every day. And so there was a couple times, I don't know. I mean, dude, I can't believe that's where the Trader Brothers circus came from. A hundred percent dude. And how do you forget your little brother, right? Like, here's my question, Kurt, as the little brother. Uh, they just said that we lived 30 minutes away. How the f do you drive? 30 minutes in a car? Not realize your brother. It's not a big car. Exactly. We forgot to stop by. Yeah. We have one less human in this car. I don't know how many times did it happen? A couple. It was probably like three or four. Yeah. Enough times to wear it. It was a tra We did it with Tyrell too. Yeah. I mean, we, we forgot to real, we explored family a lot. Yes. Um, why don't we go to Zoom in on your guys's family? Yeah. Because what's happened is like, that's in the pasture. But Adam, why don't you tell me about your family. This, this woman that you chased up to CSU instead of being a football star. Gunk by the way. Yes. Good decision. Yeah. Oh, wonderful. Like the best decisions I've ever made. All the decisions I've made. Yeah. The, the best one. That's what your eyes said. Just, I think we both owe Coach Badard for that one, right? Yeah. You know, So I followed, followed Nicole to, to csu. She'd gotten a, a nice scholarship and, and you know, I was, I was pretty, Dan smitten with her at the time and um, you know, and you still are just, well, yeah. When she listened Yeah. Head over, head over heels. We met, me and Adam met in Alaska one summer. We both worked up there. Mm-hmm. his senior high school, and he had bought a ring at that point. Yeah. Whoa. So we were hanging out in Alaskan. He couldn't wait to get home to propose. It was pretty neat. Yeah. But, um, yeah, so, you know, Nicole hung out at the track a lot because, you know, me and Brian, I mean, we literally spent every waking moment at the tracks. We were train training. Right. And that was our, that was our, you were driven social focus. What was it about you that despite your focus on athletics and just tearing down the. between you and a successful college outcome that you should be somebody that I, it seems like she'd pursued you at least a little bit too. Or, or at least like, you know, you wanted, I think lack, lack of, uh, lack of options, you know, from long time Yeah. Was like, well, if I'm ever gonna get outta here, it seems like this might be one tickets. You guys ever seen the Christmas story where the, the mom and dad are sitting there watching their kids open presents and they, they, they're sipping wine and they say this, this wine's not bad. And they say, it's not good, but it's not bad. That's probably me. You know, I was like, Hey, he's not bad. He's not good, but he's not. How about the other side of that question? What, like when she was like, Hey, I think you're cute. Like, what was it? Oh no, I had to thing just not bad. Just I didn't Limited options for both of you. It somehow you came up, period. All three of us definitely outkicked our coverage. Yeah, sure. For sure. Yeah. Fair. Oh yeah. So I met her, um, second period freshman year. I was a new kid of high school and, uh, didn't make the best first impression. So it took a while for me to actually convince her to go on a date with me, but, oh, so you pursued her for a while? I did. Yeah. That, you know, that, that's the thing then, because persistence, I think. Well, and, and like there is nothing a woman is charmed by more than like, as long as it's not creepy. Like pursuit. Pursuit. Yeah. Like show me that you actually want me, you fight, keep me and you'll fight a little bit for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I, it took, I had to be persistent. And, uh, finally her friend, uh, good friend Stephanie, thank you, if you're ever listening she said, you should ask Nicole to go to homecoming dance. And I said, nah, man. She's, she's not interested in me, you know? And I kind of feel like I kind of messed that up. And she's like, no, no, no, you should ask Nicole Ni go at homecoming. Trust me. I was like, I was like, trust me. Oh, you have some insight information. took her home. We're such idiots, dude. Like, we're such, such idiot clueless. I'm still, we all are, are. So that, that's how it started. And, um, you know, she's been, she allowed me to become a, an adult, you know, and, um mm-hmm. you know, we got married when we were 20. Wow. And, you know, I I And you had a baby right away too, cuz you got a 16 year old already. Yeah, I mean, so, or not right away, but we, we took a few years and, but um, you know, when you're a when you're 20, you're not an adult. You're, you're not your final form. Right. Yeah. Neither of us for sure. So I think that, well, my baby yet, but you know, I was at least 35 before I started shaping up. Exactly. I'm not sure, I think I'm still working. I'm still in my cocoon. But, um, you know, I think that there's just a lot of, um, credit to be given to her for just kind of being patient and letting me sort of develop into Yeah. A grownup, you know, and then just a lot of luck, but also, hard work, you know, cuz if, if you're not intentional, well, we sharpen each other. Right? Like, that's part of the beauty of being in a relationship like that. And you sharpen yourself to become the right tool for the job Right. And I think that, you know, yeah, yeah. If you, if you're not, and it's a good thing that you identify yourself as a tool, because your wife will recognize that for you too. she's like, yeah, he's a tool Um, but no, I think that like you, if you, if you don't kind of wake up every day and say like, I, I need to become, what's my role today, the dad that, that my kids deserve and the husband that my wife deserves. Not, not out of a sense of obligation or duty, but out of a, out of a sense of like, I really want this because of how much I've, I wanna be the best husband, value that for her and all that. Yeah. And then, and then they have to do the same. Yeah. And then almost 21 years later, like, we're still crazy about each other and, and just can't wait to see each other. And so I think that there's like, I'm That's cool. So Damn lucky for that, you know? Yeah. It is a blessing for sure. Absolutely. Um, you have, how many little kids do you have? Two. Two kids. Yep. So my daughter Ava. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Ava. She's 16 old man. Yeah. 16 today. Yep. Yeah. And my son's 13. And uh, what's your one word for Ava? Have you thought about that? It's hard. One word is really limiting and it's not limiting. That's hard because she's awesome in so many ways. She's so nuanced, but. um, characteristic a, uh, distinctive. She's, I would say just independent. Oh, you know, she's, she, she's a free ranger, like you guys, she's like a non-conformist too. So like, ooh, is there a word? Word dangerous and amazing word that's in freethinking, non-conformist freethinking. Something like that. Yep, exactly. Exactly. Yep. Mm-hmm. So you can't tell her nothing, but she's willing to tell herself things if you convince her dude. Yeah. Well, and, and she and I are cut from the same cloth. So like, if, if we get in an argument about something like, Nicole's like, oh God, oh, shoot, here we go four, four hours, because this is not going anywhere. Right. I think she's one of those kids that like, yeah. Look at her night, go like, she's gonna challenge you as a father. Oh yeah. But she's gonna be just fine. Right. Yeah. Like at the same time, like, she is gonna be wonderful and just fine. And, and I think that's what like she needs, I think great people probably need more Yeah. Something more to push against her for sure. And it's just, yeah. Um, I look at him like, yeah, I think that should be one of your biggest challenges to her. Frankly, from what I hear so far, Adam is make challenge her to make sure she finds a human that is up for the, up for the challenge of being a somebody that can sharpen her and vice versa. Yeah. I mean, I think that the, if I had to pick a word, I'd say convicted, you know? Mm-hmm. That's cool. Especially right now with where she's at in her life. She's very convicted. Cool. You know? And how about your boy? He's 13. Gavin. Yeah. Think Gavin. Gavin, what's up bud? Love you. Um, yeah, he's 13. Um, just he's as, as much a boy as a boy could be, you know, he's like, he's a knuckle dragger. He's rough. Like Brian here with the longest bro rowdy and can be a total punk ass. Sometimes He's punk. Totally. He's 13. So like, things that he thinks are funny are just so dumb. And I just, and physically he can't challenge you, so that's annoying for a kid like that. No, but I like it when he does. It's fun, It is fun. And uh, he'll show me videos. He'll be like, dad, this is so funny. And, and I'm just like, oh my God, this is so dumb. But but I watch it. Right? Because like, I remember, I, I, it's so, it's like exploring the boundaries of what a man should think and see and understand you, you talking about a time machine, like he is exactly me. Yeah. You know, 30 something. So there's hope for him when he's way smarter. Five. He's way smarter and way, way kinder and he's just, oh, that's awesome. He's, he's got such a, for being such a boy and so rough, like he's just got such a kind heart and soul, you know? And like if I had to like, describe him in, in a word, it would be kind, you know, cuz he's got just his depth, his depth of, you know, emotion and ability to feel is like really advanced for That's pretty cool For a 13 year old boy that's, you know, super unusual too. Yeah. So I'm gonna keep you moving. Cool. Let's go. We did family. We're gonna do faith or politics. Okay. Which do you wanna take first? Okay. Yeah. Um, you've talked slightly about the Catholic ish mm-hmm. kind of background. Is that still the case? Do you guys go to the, um, or do you No. I mean, I guess for me, like I don't really, not an necessarily, I mean, no, I actually am very, very active in my relationship with, with God. Okay. I don't necessarily adhere to any kind of particular Yeah. Column, if you will. Yeah. Um, I think that, you know, just not to soapbox it or anything, no talk trash, whatever. And I feel like the, every time you divide it, you divide Yeah. God's children. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. And that was, but my biggest opposition to faith for all of my, whatever I would call my agnostic season Sure. Was like, at that time the Irish, uh, Catholics were fire bombing the Protestant protest, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And I was like, well, if this is the way the. Okay. The Christians treat each other. Yeah. Like I'll do something else. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not into that. Totally. Yeah. And I've never understood that. So like, we, like we weren't raised with any of that kind of, we were at the church with the donuts, bro. Donuts the church with the donuts. Yeah. That, that would be a great title for a church actually. Oh, church for the Donuts. Church. Church Donuts. Church with the donuts. Church for the donuts credit. I think that it was, you know, like you, you kind of like, it's generic, but it's like the what would Jesus do? Like I really feel like if you Yeah. He did a good job. If you're a Christian, it's kind of a weaving in model yourself for your dad and your, your background. Yeah. If you model yourself after and your family now, like, do you guys, you guys don't go to a church consistently, but they know that you we do attend church. Okay. Um, you know, and, and we've, we've purposely chosen a church that, that really de emphasizes the differences between Yeah. Other churches, you know? Yep. It's, it's very more, very much like, Hey, what would Jesus do? Can I commercial for that church? Here's our teachers. Now I'm gonna, I'll stay out of that. But okays cool. No. So I think that for, for me, it's like, I think that there's, there's religion and then there's, there's faith and there's spirituality. Yeah. And I think the more, I don't really like religion. The more religion. Yeah. I'm pretty big on faith, but I'm not very big on religion and I'm exactly the same. I think that religion is, is the worst thing to ever happen to. faith and spirituality fair. And that's just kind of my, so what do you have faith in personally? Like what are the things that really drive you and draw you? Boy, yeah, I know I asked the hard questions. No, I like them. Only ask, you only think I like that we have like, I want to be third so I can hear. Yeah, right. Yeah. Sorry, I don't, if you're doing reading in class and you're like, you know who crickets. I sat, I sat in the back on purpose, guys. Come on. Yeah, no. Um, so what do I have faith in? I have faith in that there is a higher power. I have faith in that, that that there is a purpose for my being. Grace here. And grace, redemption. Grace is, is maybe one of the most underrated things on the planet. both correct. Both from, you know, God's grace for us and our grace for one another. Well, and grace is so related to gratitude and that's really the secret to happiness Absolut in a lot of ways. Absolutely. Yeah. And, and, and you have to practice gratitude. But, um, yeah, no, I think that it's, it's really hard to, it's really hard to sit here and say like, I think I'm right and what, what, what, what I was taught. I don't spend much time with that topic either. I believe is the only one truth. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I, I, I think God's a little more powerful than that, that he can only show up in one way for, for all people. Yeah. I agree with that. And uh, so I think that. He is God to whoever however he needs to be. For people to be aware of him. I did that and to sense him. Yeah. So, so the, uh, we did family faith, politics. Do you wanna talk about politics real quick before, before you hit the road and go pick up your kid? Geez. Yeah. Politics, I mean, I think, no politics sucks right now, but I think that, yeah. Um, you know, it's funny actually, cause you talk about faith and I think that a lot of times faith gets kind of woven into politics by politicians and by people who, who want to leverage Yeah. Faith one way or the other, one way or the other. Right. And it's hard, right? Because I think, you know, let's, let's just say, so you see faith as more of a reason to unite than a reason to divide. And the world sees it opposite. Yeah. It's a po it's an easy, it's low hanging fruit for people who want to divide. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Um, you know, so I think, let's, let's just use an example. Let's say that I, I identify as a, a Christian conservative Yeah. Right? Two words. Yeah. And pretty simple. Like if you, but people make a lot of judgments, a lot of assumptions, those words. Yeah. Oh, if you're a Christian conservative, well then you must support this person and this person, and this person, and this policy and, and this policy. No. And you're like, no, you're wrong on 60% of those things. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's, it's hard because I think that a lot of times, the last time I identified, I identified as vaccin. Ooh. Yeah, bro. That was a careful there. Careful, brave. That's real brave. Um, so it's, it's, it's so nuanced and I feel like politics, unfortunately, like you, you can't, what do you think about this world we're in right now? Like, it's crazy. Like, uh, we got current events, we might as well. I mean, Joe Biden just got busted with having random shit in the classified. He didn't even, or something, but he didn't even know, like that shit was in his back pocket, random shit. He just forgot he had it and it was like the codes for the nukes or something, maybe, or not he doesn't like, you know, I, I'm not a Democrat voter usually. Um, but at the same time, like, oh, you're a Republican voter. No, actually I, I'm a man without a, a party. Yeah. Um, I feel like I'm, I'm kind of homeless right now because like, I just, I can't support the behavior of either party really. So I think that if, if anything I'm a, I'm a libertarian, but Do you like the, uh, what was the, uh, giant douche or the turd sandwich? Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. I voted for Kanye in the last election. Just so you guys know how much I've been voting libertarian for two election, but I didn't, what a waste of a vote. Right? Not enough of a protest. Like, so Kanye becomes like, maybe if they do rank choice though, if we get ranked choice voting, then your vote won't be wasted. So cuz your first vote will actually represent Right. Flow to your second all you want. So you like rank choice second vote. I'm a, I'm a supporter of ranked choice because at least it because your voice will be heard. Okay. But your vote will still count because if you're, if you're saying okay, like I, I, I know that one of these two is gonna win, right? But I really, I kinda like that for the third party for some, yeah. Mm-hmm. more people and it gives you more license to put you what you really want down. You can say, Hey, here's my, here's my choice for that. If you're gonna hold a gun to my head, I gotta pick one of these two. But that's my choice. And it's an interesting thing because it was kind of put it in place by the progressives, but I think it might come to That's a powerful tool about their devastation. Yeah. It may be. Right. Because it allows people to actually say what I want, what I want, what most people want, at least entrepreneurial space that I play is way less government, way less regulation, way less obligatory. Yeah. Things that I have to do to try to create jobs and prosperity for other people. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, I'm trying to create jobs and prosperity for people. Absolutely. Absolutely. Sorry. Yeah. But when you, when you say that you get put in this category over here because of all those boxes that you just checked, right. You know, if you're filling out the survey, you're on, you're checking all the right hand boxes, right? Yeah. Not the left hand boxes. Yeah. Well, when you check those right hand boxes, you're automatically associated with Right. All the other bullshit that is associated with those. Yeah. The crazy is at the far, far ends of both spectrums. Right? Yeah. And if you're checking left, you're, you're connected to those wackos way out there in left field. Right? Yeah. That's the problem, I think. And that's, that's one of the reasons politics, podcast space, like Rogan's a great example of some rando dude that Yeah. He's part of my Absolutely. The local experiences, clear and blatant, like takeoff of the, the Joe Rogan experience. Right? Like, I wanna do long form conversations with interesting people. Totally. And like explore the nuance of thinking for your goddamn self. Yeah. Amen. Yeah. And it absolutely, it's hard. It is hard to think for yourself, cuz we all taken sources from all over. Yeah. And, and there's, there's so many sources of information, whether it's, whether it's real or fake. But I mean, these days, like if you can find a source to share anything you want in your face Yeah. As if, if you have an opinion, I promise. Like the way you set that up moving microphone, like Right. Ready for you. You just need a blanket across your lap. But me and the wife started watching Golden Girls last night. Oh. Is our new show. We other shows. That's actually pretty awesome. Yeah, bro, you definitely watch too much tv. You're, yeah. When you're stuck with the Goldenberg, back to the Golden Girls. Yeah. I like the Golden Girls Blanche. I do it too actually, dude, blanche, like, you know how Blanche was in the first episode? I think she's a, the first episode, according to terminology, she was a little bit of, wasn't she? Well, yeah, she's the same age as Jennifer. She's 51. JLo. Were you gonna say JLo? Jennifer Anderson I think. Oh, oh real. Blanche and Jay, Jennifer Anderson. No way. Blanche is way older than Jennifer, bro. They should do a really, a Golden Girls reboot with like, I know dude. But Jennifer Anderson, no wonder if she was so hot. She was like younger than me. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, exactly right. So watch yourself. I feel less weird for having a crush on Blan now. right? Dude, sexy is sexy, bro. She had that stuff on lockdown. Blan, dude. No, I was encouraging my wife the other day to be like, was over here like a premature gray. It was kind of sexy, you know, whatever. I, anyway, IRES. It's okay though. I'm gonna keep it on you for another ranch with grandma trainer, man. Oh yeah. That's time I ever saw any Golden Girls. Was grandma, grandma at Trainer in Mash, bro. She was. She was helping. It was like the birds and the bees. It was her version of kind of like having that, here's how, here's subliminal teaching, man. Let me introduce you to the Golden Girls. Just, you just do, you just do what you want to do with that man. Yeah. So last segment and then we're gonna get you going. We're gonna take a break cuz I'm awesome getting ready for another bathroom break. the local experience. Yes. The craziest experience of your life, Adam, that you're willing to share with the public audience. Like the whole life. The whole life. Dude, we work some, you don't even know you're asking him, bro. If you could have been a fly on the wall, I'm gonna ask these guys for the shared local experience, one of the, these guys together are gonna share that. But this is just you, you or you with Nicole or you with your kids or what you, whatever. Yeah. Like this crazy experience helps shape who, where were you? Oh, you got in a big ass bar room brawl with some punks. I, yes, I did. Too many to remember, but we're not gonna talk about that yet. Boy, the craziest experience. Yeah. Hmm. That you want your potential future customers to. Yeah, I mean, I got nothing to hide. I mean, I'm not that crazy. Pretty open books, really. Yeah. No, I mean, I got some fun. I mean, there was a time that Joe drove the, the five wheeler off the cliff and almost died, crushed him, the five wheeler. There's a time I shot you in the head with a BB gun, and then you hit me with a rock from like a hundred yards away and So I don't want to have a snowball fight with him either. Rush, rush to the hot dude. He's. Like he's deadly. Who's the guy that shoots the, like the Hawkey or whatever? Oh, Brian's like Hawkeye with a rock, dude. He doesn't miss. Yeah, he drilled me like on the run. at a hundred yards. Yeah. See the, see there's a scar stitches. Yeah. You'd be almost a specimen Perfect. Without that little scar on your forehead. But now I would be like Rad Pitt. Correct. The exceptional, you probably would've had movie career except for that. Yeah. I'd say like, as far as an experience goes, like it's gotta be. Um, so I graduated high school and I was getting ready to come up to CSU and uh, I was working on my grandpa's trout farm and, uh, just kind of cleaning fish crap outta ponds. Right. You know, just doing whatever he needed. Throwing the corn in the ponds, changing the transmission in his loader. You know, he had a gravel pit, so I was like, I would like load semis and stuff like that. I was like this, I didn't know how to freaking do any of this stuff. But, you know, I'd get there early in the morning and I'd fire up the sand washer and then I'd go get in the, in the loader and wash sand all day. You were like his right hand man. It was like a 16 year old, but it was like the coolest job ever. And then one day, I still remember I was, I was shoveling fish crap out of a pond into a, it pulls up over in a corner kind of somehow. Well, so he had a, he had these, the bottoms tr he had these trout farms. It was a trout farm, so he had Oh, so he actually raised cells, adults or fish 'em out if you don't catch 'em kind of thing. He did, yeah. Serves like 17 ponds. He supplied like restaurants with him. Wow. and uh, so I got the skid loader right next to the, the, which is basically a farm. Yeah, yeah. Right. You get customer farm. I mean, you grow things, you sell 'em for what you used, grow 'em for. Yep. Okay. And so go, I'm shoveling poop and uh, chop poop walks up and he goes, you wanna go fishing? I was like, hell yeah, dude, this sucks, man. right about boot for Day Park Dog Valley. This is like, it was like 115 degrees or whatever. Yeah. Um, but I didn't know that he was asking me if I wanted to go work on a commercial salmon boat in Alaska. Oh shit. And, uh, so his, his son-in-law, um, had a fishing operation up in Alaska. Okay. And, uh, so next thing I knew that was like grandpa's, like sixth wife or something too early. That's right. We can have a whole podcast. Podcast about that. His sixth wife, cousin, we had a cousin that we two fishing bottles up there and like three hours. Yeah. Mom should be after that too. Yeah. Um, so, man, next thing I know, I'm on a plane to Alaska and I'm like, what in the hell am I doing? This is the second time in my entire life I've been on an airplane. Right. And I've, or away from home, basically. Oh, yeah. So dude, yeah, absolutely. I'm 18. Flying to Alaska. Like, I, I would get into Anchorage. I get on this little tiny like bush plane with like the propellers, you know, there's no jet engines. I was like scared to sign up for Peace Corps. Yeah. You know, and, uh, so I, they fly off to this freaking fishing village and like, I don't know anybody. I. Don't even know what the person looks like, that it's supposed to be me. Right. You're a 200 pound 16 year old. And, uh, so I worked, uh, I worked a salmon boat for that summer, you know, and then there was some crazy, you're total ignorant punk ass and all these like literally kind of crazy. Totally weird. Yeah. There's crazy people. They were Oh yeah. Oh, and Alaska is the ultimate, only desperate, weird people go up there. Really. There's some, a special breed of people up there and, um, met some really amazing people. Um, you know, some, some, uh, you know, natives, well, crazy people are the best people in case you innu at branded you with that comment. Yeah. And, uh, no. I mean, I got to spend cool thing a whole summer. What a world expanding thing though, right. Salmon, like it totally changed the scope of your world, I suspect in a lot of ways. Like it wasn't just the Hunter Valley and whatever all people you knew, it was, it was really cool. Cause I got to incorporate like a lot of the, you know, lessons that I learned just really from like, working hard, you know, from, you know, times working for dad mm-hmm. time's working with each other. Sports Yeah. You know, wrestling, you know, being a high school wrestler. Like that's one of the hardest things I've ever done and I, I was able to take that with me and Yeah. And uh, you know, there were, there was one stretch where we worked for 96 hours straight, non-stop. No, no, literally, I guess the fishing was good. The fishing was great, you know, and so you couldn't, you literally couldn't stop. It was like, you can't stop, because really, not even a freaking two hour nap. No. If you, if you take ale, those are fish swimming past your nets. Right? So there's dollars. There's no way I That's a more than a week. Every fish, it's like four days. Wait, no, it's four days. 20, $20 bill of swimming past. If your net's not in the water, you're not, you're not making money. Right. So like, you just, I mean, that's just crazy. I remember you saying you forgot what our home looked like. You were, you saying you were I was, I worked like 85 hours in a, in a five day week one time. Like 15 hours a day or something. Yeah. It crushed me. Yeah. I can't imagine like being on for like, i four days. There's 24 hours. That's, that's a young man's game, dude. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Crazy man's game. Like, shoot, I remember sitting there and, and this was an open top boat. There was no, like, there's no place to go in shelter or anything. Oh, really? No. It's just a, even if you were sleeping, you were just like right there. No, it was just a giant bucket with enough room for guys to stand on. Right. Use a bucket for fish and dudes to pull 'em out. This, it's just like the more, the more room you have for fish, the better, and as long as the fish is going, we're here. And then when we get done catching shit, then we come back to the port and you can go to sleep. Exactly. And so, wow. I remember sitting there and, and the nights were really short because this was a summer and, and we're up in Alaska, so like we had like 20 ish hours of, of sunlight per day. I'm sitting there in the middle of the. and I was, I was tending the, the net. So like somebody had to be awake at all times because you'd have like several hundred feet of net in the water, the swells, and we got two full. Yeah. Or if a boat was coming, say there's a shit coming along. Right. And you got your nets out there, and those, those guys cross your net, they're gonna cut your nets and they're gonna sink. Right. All this stuff's gone. So you got this r like a 10 million Campbell power um, spotlight. Right. And so you're just sitting there just mm-hmm. trying to stay awake. You're bobbing up and down, Oh, there's a boat. You start, start flashing 'em. Hey, get the fuck outta here. Yeah. Yeah. So, excuse my French, so I'm It's your, I'm tired. Get an exception. Explicit war No, no, just kidding. You know, it, it is kind of one of those, what the f am I doing here? Moments? And I was like, ah, I know what I'll do. I'm gonna think about home. And so I'm like trying to like visualize home. Yeah. And I couldn't, I couldn't picture what my house looked like and I couldn't picture like what my bedroom looked like. And it was, it was weird, man. Like, wow. It took me, you were not even gone for like two months by that time. No, but it was, it was just like the, the exhaustion, you know? Right. And Wow. Got to the point. I've never experienced anything like that. It was bizarre. And it took me probably 20 minutes to like fully. Picture, like walking through my kitchen down the hallway to my room. So, wow. And I, I still remember like standing at my, like in my mind I'm standing at my doorway to my bedroom, but I couldn't picture what was on the other side. It was bizarre, man. Like, it was, wasn't amnesia, but like your brain was just so tired. This was like, don't bother me trying to, it was just running out of conjure memories. Right? Oh yeah. Things, yeah. Yeah. Huh. So that's, that's a great, that was one of wanted to like, crazy things I've done. Yeah. How like vulnerable and limited we are. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Totally. Like all three of you guys are like, clearly very intelligent, very blessed. Well, thank you individuals. And I think Joe raises the average intelligence quite, quite a bit in here. So thank you, Joe. Good job. Appreciate that. Yeah. So you sides raising all or something like that, right? Exactly. Whatever. Yeah. Either way. That's a, it's a great example of like how weak we all are. Mm-hmm. um, there's a quote from Helen Keller, I like to repeat. A lot of times it's alone. We can do so little together. We can do so much. Mm-hmm. and it feels appropriate for this cause because you're just, we're just, we're frail, weak little creatures. Even when we're six foot 3, 245 pound discus all Americans. Like, we don't have it all. No. Rare. Certainly none of us do for sure. No, I think that that's, I mean that really is a good point. And we talk about that a lot, you know, just to kinda like circle all the way back to the, the business thing and, and you know, like why. you know why we had the philosophy of like, you know, Luke is a good example, Joel. I can't, I can't Yeah. Find somebody that really wants to make more Corey and Yeah. Um, you know, we, we repeat this to ourselves a lot because it's, it bears repeating and there's value in it and it says, you know, it's alone. You can go fast, but together you can go far. Yeah. Right. And we remind ourselves of that often because there's times where we'll be frustrated with each other, but at the same time, like we recognize like, Hey man, like without you I'm nothing. Right. And even on that fishing boat that you just talked about Right. Without that community of other humans there and during that same kind of struggle. Yeah. No way you could do it. Right? Yeah. Like there was three of us on that boat. You know, one of us had to be on the spotlight. God, I was, I wasn't on the spotlight all the, the time. Right. Like every once in a while I got to sit down and eat a couple crackers. Right. You know, while somebody else was kind, the spine drift leading against the side of the boat. But you couldn't pull asleep cause your butt was sleep with the fish. Right. Sleep with the fishes. Literally sleep. What a fascinating, please. So we're gonna take a quick break, Adam. Thank you. Thank you guys. It's been great to have you here. We're gonna finish this up. Appreciate with, uh, Brian and Joe. Awesome. And uh, God, speed. Look forward to the next time we talk. All right, thank you. So you guys are now lucky enough to maybe we can paddle back and forth your faith, family politics segment. Sure, sure. Since Adam left, um, where like, why don't we just go to family right away? Yeah. Why don't you guys describe your family's. And, uh, cuz we already kind of heard a pretty strong description of your background. Mm-hmm. your step-siblings, your dad, your mom, all that stuff. Mm-hmm. So Brian, why don't you go first since you're the older brother right. You got some littles too. Yeah. Older brother, right? Yeah, older brothers always go. First family way that works, lead the way, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. So I've got, um, a wonderful wife, uh, still married and, uh, two kids. I've got an an 11 year old and a 13 year old. So. And where did you meet her? Where I met, we met her, uh, we met we girls, we met. Oh yeah. You guys are married? Twins. Sisters. Sisters. Twin twins. But sisters, you know, I came home, uh, why my sophomore year of college. Okay. I asked Joe Hay, do you have a girlfriend? He goes, I like this girl, Jesse, you know? And I said, well, let's go, let's go take him out on a date. I heard she had a, like, I remember her having a pretty sister, right? I remember because we went to high school together, except for, you know, I got to high school in Lata my junior year. Um, I was, I, I went through classes my junior, my senior year. I, for the most part had taken most of the credits I needed. So I was at the junior college. I see. Um, or not going to school, like ready to, like I was done, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was working. I'd moved out of her house for the most part. I had a girlfriend that was in college, I lived with her for Oh wow. Most of the time, you know? Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, it is interesting. Right, but well, it's an interesting dynamic in light of for sure, for family dynamic. You're like, yeah, when I ask Adam if he was traumatized by your departure. Well, no, cuz he was gone for a while year. I was already gone. Already bunch. Yeah. He was already gone a bunch. I was kind of coming and going and, yeah. Yeah. And had a couple jobs. And so did you have some not so good relationship along the way? Or you didn't even really make space for relationship to speak of until this time? Um, with the brothers? Yeah. No, with girls. Oh, with girls. Like you were asking, you were like, I mean, that's a huge question, man. I mean, I think, I think at that point I, you know, I mean, in hindsight now, like, I think, I think my relationship with Wayman at that point was just a sexual relationship at that point. And really, to be honest, I mean, we grew up with our, we grew up without our mom. Right. You know, from when Joe was five. Right. So like the edge instruction on how to respect women a lot and stuff was mm-hmm. not strong. Sure. We were nice people. I think I was a nice guy. Yeah. Um, but, you know, I mean, I think my, what I thought of was, what I thought was love was probably just, I know was, certainly was just sex at that point, right? Mm-hmm. So, um, had, you know, sort of lived pseudo lived with this girl and I bounced back and forth, right. But yeah. Yeah. Um, wow. And so, but an interesting place to be for a freaking 17 year old, 17 year old boy, right. and, and really had a couple jobs and, and was just doing that. So yeah, you were, you were living 25 when you were. Six 14 starting when you were sinks, right? Like hardware up sinks and just, uh, sewer in your chop. Yeah. When I was four, fourth grade. Fifth grade. Right. So, um, so it's just an interesting little childhood there, but you know, it was something where, um, so you didn't even wanted somebody and something better. Obviously I didn't know any different. Right. So I just, I thought well this is what it's so, um, but Joe was intellectual enough to try to influence you to, to the better He was smart enough. Right. And, and so like, you know, we had, I had somebody tell us once, one of the guys from our hometown, he goes, you trains cuz there's a cousin that married a gal from Hanta as well and he was like, you guys married all the pretty girls, you know, and it was like he sons of bitches we did, did like you train like, like you suck. You know? So, um, but you know, um, I don't know where I got distracted there, but I, you know, the point was, I mean, I came home sophomore year of college and Joe, I said, Hey, you got any girlfriends? Just teasing my little brother kind of thing. He goes, yeah, I like this girl, Jesse. But Joe wasn't driving at the time. You weren't told enough to drive? No, it was, uh, 15. Yeah. Yeah. So I said, let's go, let's go see if they wanna go pick up Jesse and her older sister. Older sister. Man, it's Christmas break. Right. And so, um, because this wasn't cell phone time right? Right. We just drove over man. We didn't even call it Right. So we just drove over and knocked on the door. You go You guys do anything tonight? Yeah. Straight man outta school. Yes. We're, we're un we're on Christmas break. I got a bottle of whiskey and a 12 pack of beer drive around. We were gonna go to Sonic and get, you know, I get a sonic that's cold in those days. Yeah, exactly. Um, we went over and, and I got re that was like my first rejection with my wife. Right. But she said no, she was getting ready to go back to school in Tulsa that next day. So she said no. And, uh, but Joe's Joe's, so she was fairly worldly too for a Lahuta girl, right? She's my girl. Yeah. Smart girl college far away. So she probably got some, she did. She's smart. And so same thing, Adam's, Adam's wife was valedictorian of her class and Oh, wow. My wife was also a valedictorian of her class, and so, so the prettiest girls in the smartest, and we were the smart ones too. Right. And so, you know, and so yeah, so we went to pick him up when we got, I got rejected for the first time and Joe's wife, Jessica said, yes. Um, we went out and Joe, we went to Sonic. Didn't we go to Sonic, bro? I, as soon as Joe doesn't remember, because we went and got a, a bite to eat. No, we didn't. And Joe broke a tooth or something. He was like, as we were at the house, I, uh, oh yeah. Like explosion of pain in my mouth. Joe ended up with a root canal that night, ended up get a root canal. So our aunt is a dentist. We went and woke up her. I basically just drove Joe and his future wife to our aunt's house. Yeah. And grabbed her and said, Joe's mouth hurts. And then she said, oh, he needs a root canal. So, oh God. She drove him and me and Jessica, Joe's wife ended up watching a movie together. that was your end. Yeah, me. I'm a college kid, this 15 old girl. And, and she's like, you know, and then she was digging in, you like my sister? I'm like, yeah, she's really pretty, you know? And. So then the next summer I saw her and we, and she ended up transferring to csu. And, and I think I tried to take her on like three or four different dates and finally, finally like her to understand, understand again, like, Hey, I'm trying to take you on a date, right? Like I took her to, I'm actually really interested you as for sure as a person being for sure, like with me forever invited to a concert. And then like all of a sudden she disappears and I call, where'd you go? Well, me and my friends left and I'm like, well, I thought, I thought we were on a date, you know, but um, so, so, yeah. So it took a minute with her. So communication isn't necessarily your super strong suit, at least well in those days, at tho in those days, right? I mean, I'm not any, I'm no good with the girl thing, man. It's, uh, you know, and so something is funny. Well, you don't need it any longer. We're done, man. I'm locked up, bro. And so it's funny cuz like our, our coach, we all had the same throws. Coach, coach Ard, who's now the head coach at CSU and Oh wow. And you know, at some point he pulled me aside and he goes, trainor, he goes, you're not gonna do any better. Like, you need to marry that girl. You know? I like it. And, and he said the same thing to Adam at one point, and Adam did Adam, he give that point of a story. But, uh, yeah, I mean that was, um, You know, it was something where I think with my wife and, and you know, I don't know how everybody else sees it, but you know, with me for it was something where I, I didn't have a choice. Like, I like had to marry that girl. You know, like she annoys me, like, you know, yeah. A spouse will do, but, um, um, be, but I just, but I couldn't help it. Right. And so, um, hence I'm lucky that's, I've always felt that way. FOMO has disrupted a lot of great potential relationships. Agreed. Like, yeah. Uh, when I went, so Jill and I just went to Chicago for the weekend and we took our exchange student there to see her boyfriend. Mm. And they like started dating like a few months before she even left to go on this exchange. And yeah. Anyway, long story, but about her, like after our second date, she was like, mom, I'm gonna marry this boy. Ah, yeah. And before our second date, I told my co my roommates at the time, cause I was living with Twitter dudes, bachelor dudes. Yeah. I was like, I don't know if I want to ask you out, cuz I don't know if I want to not ever date any other girls. Cause if I ask her out, I'm probably not married, probably gonna marry this girl. Yeah, yeah. And I was 26 by that time, you know, but you knew right? Like Yeah. And so did she. And so it's kind of wild. Yeah. That is sometimes, and sometimes that's activated through your wrestling. Coach Cohen, dude, don't be a boner like you are never, you're an idiot. You're an idiot, and you're not gonna do any better. Right. So, well that's, that's not like there's better, there's not, it, it's better to think of it as you're not gonna do any finer. Yeah, yeah. Right, right. For sure. This is, this is like a good fit for you, the who you are. It's not like you're better or worse. It's not like a, a, a cattle judging competition or anything like that. For sure. Who do you really jive with? Yeah. So why do you jive with her? Yeah. Why do you drive with her? Um, because I think she balances me well. Right. Um, I, I can be, you know, for me, I go home and it's home like she is home, right. For me. Mm-hmm. And so I can come out into this and what we do, and especially my portion of what we do can be just scary, you know? And, um, I think for me, just having somebody that can go, like, and I can rest in that space, right? Yeah. And I can rest in She's your comfort in some ways. She is. And, and, um, and you're her security and I am in some ways. Right. And it's strong, capable. Mm-hmm. man. Mm-hmm. that's created income, created opportunities, created jobs for others. Like, that's what's more secure for a woman than that in some ways. Yeah. Maybe you're not that bad to look at. Just say that. I know. Yeah. Man, I grew this beard. You got a little gray coming in, Thank you. Do Yeah. Salt pepper going on more than me. I'm, I'm like quite a bit older, but just saying This is, yeah. So I, I think it's, I mean it's, you know, I, with, with your spouse, right? Like, I, I, who did I hear say that with? If you wanna be happy, marry a happy person, right? Mm. And, and, and she is, she's, she's a gentle kind. Like I've never heard her say a bad thing about somebody else, and I really respect that. That's really cool. I don't have energy for somebody that's got, you know, right. All that stuff. I don't have time for that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I really don't. And she doesn't have any of that. And some people need a little dose sometimes of for sure. Just gentleness and kindness. I do. And it's just, we're a great partnership. Uh, we, we, you know, we run our home very similar to each other. We don't have a lot of disagreements around how we wanna show up with our kids. And, and well, and she grew up in the same culture as you and Yeah. Agree. Uh, agree completely. And we have different childhoods, but that, that doesn't really play very often as far as, so let's do, uh, that was quick family, but we need the kids. Mm-hmm. one word description of your two kids. Um, you know, our daughter Courtney is 13. And I would say, I, I think of them in, I think of them in like, uh, in terms of what they've taught me, right? Yeah. And so that's, I mean, the word is easy for me, but it it takes a little explanation. Yeah. Yeah. Because no boys need to think about that as her word Yeah. Kidding. Exactly. I just, you know, it's, think I look at them when I go, like, I think that their spirit was here to teach me something. So, so for Courtney, I was taught love, right? We talked about, yeah. Um, so her, her word is love and, and it's, it's, it wasn't easy. What's that? Sorry, I missed easy God, dude. Killer. No, man, her word is love. Yeah. It was easy. It's easy. It's an easy word. It's an easy, she's easy to love. She's easy to love, willing and holding her that first time I got to hold her. Oh, yeah. And, and, sorry. You're good. That's a terrible way to go with your daughter, with your daughter, It's, it's so funny. Like, you, you as a father get to hold your daughter and Joe's got three of 'em so he knows, but, um, getting to hold your daughter and go, oh, like this is what love is. Yeah. You didn't know. I had no clue what love was until I held my daughter, right? Mm-hmm. And in getting to hold her and look in her little eyes and just have her look back and go, oh, now I get to go share this with my wife. Right? Yeah. And, um, and just not, I don't think I knew, man. I don't really think I. Even with your wife and stuff, you never follow. No, I had no idea. No, no. Not even sort of, you learned to love each other when you're with another adult, but with a, you learn to get along all way child. Right. you learn to connect through, say, sex and that kind of stuff Right. As an idiot when you're a kid. Yeah. Like I was, but I think when you, for me, for me, I, I, I think it was holding, holding my That's a good observation and learning like, oh, this is a different level. I think love done Right. Grows slow a lot of times. A hundred percent man. And except when you have a child and then it's just like boom boom there right from the start. Yeah. And your, your son is 11 Logan's 11. Okay. And, um, his word's understanding. So, so when I look at him, he came, he came to teach me understanding. Yeah. Um, he's different than me. He's a, he's a boy. And, and yeah, you always, as a father, think your son's gonna be just like you and then they aren't. And um, he's here to teach me understanding. Yeah. I like that. So I like that. So when I'm learning from them and when they are teaching me, um, that's what I see. Joe, I'm gonna bounce it over to you and stay on the family for now because like, you're at least a big part of the reason why your brother's happy and married and stuff like that. I'll take credit for sure. I'm sure he had a lot to do with it too. Yeah. But like, tell me about this girl that you were. Like sweet on back when you were 15 or whatever. So yeah. Um, Jess, who used to be Jessie now is Jessica. Um, yep. We started dating when I was, you know, I called her Jessica twice. Right. Did you I get credit for that. Yeah. I always get shit for calling her Jess. It's so funny though, like, we'll see people like, you know, we grew up with, and they still call her Jessie, but Right. It's like college. She's been Jessica. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so we started dating whenever I was 15 and, um, you know, uh, as same class as, yep. So same class. Um, we came over to, uh, Hanta from Ordway whenever I was in, uh, seventh grade. Yeah. And so, you know, got to, to know her then, but started dating when we were sophomores and, um, but you were sweet on each other before, kind of, or not really? Uh, not, I mean, yes and no. I mean, when you're kids you're just, you know. Yeah. You know, I was a, a gosh, a 12 year old whenever we met. 12, 13, I don't know how old, but, and your brothers are bringing you in to do projects with your dad sometimes, right? Yeah. So you're just like that. So, you know, just a little kid. And even when started dating, I mean, we're just little kids still. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, just, uh, since then we just kind of sparked and, um, you know, just best friends, honestly. Like since then, um, we've gone through then basically every experience together. Yeah. But just kind of, but together. But together. Yeah. Um, and, and we had off and on, you know, we're just, you know, in high school we'd, you know, break up for a week or two and then get back together and just, you know, that was kind of part of our story for a long time. Yeah. Um, but kind of always. Found out that, uh, just liked each, each other best. Don't want to be with each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I've been best friends and, uh, that's cool. Got married for years. What was it that kept growing her back to you? Do you suspect? I don't know, maybe, you know, just there was just a, a, a good connection there. It's a kinda word, magnetism that you came, magnetism describe. Um, yeah, just like you said, you know, a fine, a fine match. Um, when you kind of start to say, well, what about that? Well, I don't really like this. And then you just kind of say like, honestly, like, what I like most is, is kind of everything about her. The things that are fiery about her are the things that are kind of chill about me. The things that are a little bit more that way for me. Just, you know, so we, we have a perfect balance with each other. Um, but the best thing is just like I said, you. Um, just best friends. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Which is pretty, you know, pretty unique I think too, cuz uh, I've never really had too many friends in my life. Uh, just Yeah. Other than your brothers and brothers. Yeah. Honestly. Like, and that's the brothers kinda of friendship, right? Like, it's a almost an authoritarian kind of realm and it's just Yeah. Somebody that you just kind of, you know, you've shared experiences with and just like, yeah. You're the thick and thin type of people, but, uh, yeah. The people that you, that you then like choose as, as those pieces of your life. Yeah. Um, friends of the family that you choose, right? Yep. In some way. Yeah. So let, you got three daughters. Three daughters too? Is that what I heard? Yeah. Mm-hmm. How's that? How old are they now? Uh, so my oldest is 13. Um, oh. And then I've got, so 13, 11, and nine. You're like entering the Yeah. Father danger zone. Yeah. It's funny, like, as I think about, like, we all have a 13 year old in our house right now. We do. Yeah. That's cool. Um, and it's, no, it's, it's really good. Um, My, I love my kids. They're, they're super awesome. Uh, you know, just like every parent thinks of their kids, like they're super awesome. But um, no, they're, they're wonderful. They're, they're so much like me and their mom kind of at the same time. Um, but only in different ways. Like the good, the good parts of us in other. Right. Well that's easier for you. Just see, see, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm sure some of the other things will come out. Yeah. Um, do you want to try your hand at a one word description? One word, these three girls? So it's not fair cuz I have three of 'em, and so coming up with three words is a lot more difficult. Well, the three different girls and so they are, yeah. So three different words is obviously necessary. I'll say. Uh, so Kate, um, you know, she's just so like, responsible and, uh, just the old soul. It's like the classic, uh, firstborn. She's a 13 year old who kind of behaves like she's, you know, 18 Um, in all the ways kind of mom's dream and a father's dream too, that that's worth. So she's very responsible. But, um, just kind of, um, you know, she's, I don't know, she dreams big and goes for big things. Yeah. Um, she's very, very familiar, motivated, sounds leader. That's a a lot of words, bro. It's a lot of words. That's why. Well, we got responsible, but with, with some fluff words we got, we're gonna latch onto responsible. You're, you're 11 year old. Uh, 11 year old. Um, she is, uh, the, the biggest heart that I know. Okay. She's super kind. What's her name? Uh, Kira. Hi Kira. So Kira is just. She loves as deep as anybody that I've ever, that I've ever experienced. That's cool. Yeah. She's, uh, anybody like, she's, you know, her teacher, she spends all the time, like, I'm gonna make my teacher these bracelets and but we'll be watching her show. It's so hard to think about other people. Uh, well, so that she does that by instincts. It's pretty amazing. She does, honestly. And just like, she, she feels so deeply, like, we'll watch the show and, you know, it's like a sad moment and everybody's got like a little tear and she will ball for 30 minutes and just, oh yeah. So I like it. Um, so just like, yeah. Loves deeply. What's up, Kira? Love you. That's Kira, my 11 year old. And then Chloe, uh, is my little, uh, spitfire. Gosh, there's so many words. She's a, uh, she's pixie. If you want to spitfire, you know, uh, she always is like, I'll one more. She pushes the limit for sure. Um, yeah, she's just, yeah, she wants to experience for sure every part of life. And then the part that she didn't get to experience, she's like, I'll take one more turn at that and then and keep going. Yeah. So, yeah. I like it. I like it. She's, uh, and uh, yeah, just. tons of fun, um, knows how to have, have a good time with life. So, fair enough. Maybe that's a youngest sibling, like all the older siblings are kind of taking care of all the worry of the world, and so she just gets to have fun with it. Yeah. Yeah. I dig it. So we're like 30 minutes over our normal time already. bro. Um, yeah, we just touched on the family. Mm-hmm. let's go together on, on faith. We've talked about Adam's background and space. Are you guys in the same space really? Or are you in different places? And that's cool. That's a good question. I mean, I think we're probably all somewhat in the same space with faith. Um, I think that we all look at the world. Do you identify Catholics still? No. No. Um, okay. But we don't, like, I don't necessarily un identify as a Catholic. I think they're Christian. They're just like the idea of Christian. I think we don't need to put a smaller box on it than that. I agree. Is that what I hear? Yeah. And I think the religious side of Christianity, Jesus, Jesus. Thumbs up, not thumbs down. Jesus. Thumbs up, man. I think thumbs up Jesus for, especially for the, um, the idea of, you know, who you should model your life after. Mm-hmm. Um, and the idea of serving the people around you. Mm-hmm. Um, I'll go real quick. First do it and just kind of talk, you know, real quick blurb about what I think is, I, I think one of the biggest problems with religion is everybody's like, here's what I get. after it's all said and done, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like I'm working for, you know, it's like the whole, I'm working for the weekend contest. This is the prize. You know, I, if I do all this, this, this, and this, then I get heaven at the end of it. Right. Right. And for me, it's just like, I don't think that's a model that, that Jesus lived whenever he was here on earth. For sure. It's more about like, look at what's around things and then suffered and died on a crime. Yes. Yeah. But while he was here, he, that's your reward. I'm gonna help that person. I want to try to beat, you know, the best human into all these other humans. And so I that, that's cool. It more present, focused in some more present in some ways. Less about like, Hey, I'm gonna get heaven at the end of this. Right. More about like, I can maybe, what can I help a little somebody else happen? Yep. Yeah. So that's cool. So that's basically my view of, of religion. Okay. Yeah. Well, and it's, it's faith, family, politics. And I appreciate you making the distinction honestly, because I don't really like to talk about religion. I'm not really that big a fan. And faith is super important to everybody. Yeah. In my opinion it is. So, Brian, do you want to color that in at all around the edges? You know, I think that, where do you think were you guys. You. And is it Nicole? Is your wife? Adam's wife is Nicole. Mines Andrea. Andrea. I appreciate that. Yeah. And then your wife again? Jessica. Jessica. Yeah. Jesse. Jesse, Jess, Jessica. And so was, were they all from the same kind of background or? Our, our wives grew up in a Presbyterian church. Okay. And, you know, my wife at one point was even in leadership there with like the, like pastoral, like pastoral selection community and stuff like that. They were both really involved in their, their youth group. And um, and then Adam's wife was pretty involved in her church at the Catholic church. Um, but you know, I think that it's not a reason for separation is a reason for not at all. Uniting is what I, you guys for sure. Yeah. I think that it's, um, man, it's such a big topic and and it's something where you doing good, Jojo? I'm good. Yeah. All right. Kind of the witching hour of every call. Everybody the same man. It's, it's where, what are we at, guys? 5 38, right? Yeah, yeah. Per the, for the podcast world. Um, man, it's a, it is, it is a really simple answer, right? And, and it's a really difficult answer and I think that's appropriate, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, It, uh, you know, I, I've had like one too many miracles in my life to, to, to not finish. Think there is no God for sure. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just something, just crazy stuff. If you let yourself see Providence a few times, like it makes it a lot easier to believe. Yeah. Yeah. And no, I think the biggest thing with religion, I think we actually make Jesus in, in that whole, that whole part of it. It's just smaller, honestly. Like, I think we, we make it too small and, and by making it small, putting in a box we can charge for it. Right. And and it's, um, yeah. And it's, that's, and, and people would debate that all day long, but, um, you know for sure man. And when you're an entrepreneur, like you will find faith. I think like that's one beautiful thing about businesses, how you start the next day. Sometimes you gotta wake up and go, man, I'm gonna get on my knees and I'm gonna pray, and then I'm gonna go to work. Yeah. You know, and that's literally how we, well, just having. It will get better sometimes, you know? Absolutely. And a belief that like, like I believe firmly that we are all, like, we were created to do something special in this space, you know? Know, and, and, uh, and there's a, you know, there's a lot for sure. There's a lot more to, if we're all walking meat bags, like it's hard to get up every morning. Like, I just wanna die, man. You know? Yeah. So that's, I mean, that's, that's it. Now to really define it or like to lay it out and go, well this is like the five step brain approach. Could you illustrate the differences between Presbyterian and Catholic? Not at all. Methodist, please. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. Your department. And that's where it all, no Saints right? Yeah. Whatever. It all went wrong, right? With the, yeah, I didn't, I think I, I've always sliced it into too many pieces. I think Jesus shows up today and he walks into most of our churches and he starts flipping tables, you know, I really do. I think so. It's just no different, right? No, I don't disagree. What in the fuck are you guys doing? You guys, you know what I mean? Like, you really messed this thing up. Yeah. You know, and, and I showed you this thing and I think that, you know, we've got a book that's, you know, for our son, um, cuz he struggled. He went to a church camp and he goes, I don't know if I believe all this. I, it's cool, man. No worries. You know? Um, how about we just get a book on just Jesus's words and how about we focus on those words for a little while. I like it. And let's see where you end up. You know? And so that's been my approach with my kids is like, let's just focus on Jesus for a little bit. Yeah. And let's just give over. Jesus. Do. What would Jesus say? What would, what did he say, man? How did he show up? Who do he hang out with? Well, it's hard and not in line with the current marketplace of ideas to like pro, to proclaim Christ and pick a side, man. Everything's pick a side, right? Right. So for here, you can't be a searcher. You have to be decider in that space. Exactly. And it's a practice, right? We talked to him. Your faith is a practice, it's a reason that word exists is like we're on a journey and it's a practice and Yeah. And, um, you know, we're fine. There's all kinds of stuff around. I mean, like this whole like, you know, we got saved this weekend. That wasn't in like till the seventies. That was a thing, right? I mean, before that it was a journey, it was a faith journey. And so I, I think we've lost track of some of that too. Like came in, I'm on a journey. It's okay, this is a relationship. Right. And we've had good and bad and we've had lots of times where I've like looked at God, I'm like, you know what? You can suck it, man. right? Like, this is really hard. Right. And so, so that's a really, I mean, it could be really simple, but I don't think that's the fun answer here, you know? Yeah. It's like, yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. I don't think that's the first time that somebody has said, you look at God and say, suck it. But I did. Right? Yeah. We can cut, we can. Different podcast. No, I'll leave it in there, man. It's just Yeah. Well, because it, it hurts, you know, I've had, we've had serious losses and things that just weren't right, like fair and all that in our lives. So this is fair man. Um, and we'll leave it there. Politic. abandoned less. I'm politically abandoned. You're a, you're a, you're a orphan. I'm a political orphan. Who did you vote for in 2022? Libertarian. Or 2020. 2020. Libertarian always libertarian. I I couldn't, I couldn't look at either candidate and go, like, I could look my daughter in the eye or I could look at my son in the eye and say, I voted for these people. Yeah. Um, so Joe, Joe Joon. Yeah. I'm a, I I had voted libertarian for Gary Johnson. The previous two. Yeah. Yep. Same. Yeah. But I voted for Kanye in the last election, bro. One as well. Right? One out of 431 in the county. Mm-hmm. I felt like it was a bigger protest. Vote Yeah. Right. Than, yeah. But it is, it sucks. It's really sad right now. It's terrible. Like they're deciding which freaking abuse of the document handling responsibilities and obligation of the president, who presumably should have a bunch of fucking people to help him figure it out. Yeah, dude. He needs a bunch of Biden's. Got his scattered here and there. Trust. Yeah. Dude, it's so embarrassing, man. I can't even imagine. It's terrible, right? Like, you look around the world and you go, what must they think of us that like, these are the two best dudes. We can publish world. Oh, but they're worse. It's not like Europe isn't worse. Right? That's now they're clamping. That's insane. Like Germany is gonna lose their industrial core in two years, but why do we always have two super shitty candidates to choose from? Whether they're like Right. And every country we've got so many great, like Brazil just had this too. Bolsonaro and Lula. Yeah. Like. a convicted felon that was in Prisoned, but then released by the Supreme Court against like the biggest asshole in the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they're both terrible. And that's who rises to the awareness and it's, yeah. What is it about it politics that causes that kind of the scum to rise to the top? It's just like a pond. Yeah. It, it very is. And so I think that it's weird. I think that I actually kind of shift back and forth as like, you go from like say local politics to like state politics and then, and then say national politics. Like, I, I can, because I'm like sort of like this, like redneck country boy, like to shoot animals and eat 'em, but I'm a hippie at the same time. Right. Like Right. I smoke a little reefer once in a while. I like to, yes, exactly. Like, I like to catch my, I like to find my own meat. Like I don't want the government in there. I don't want their hand, like in my, it's a free, thicker food bro. You know what I mean? And like, yeah. Like I. If there's a plant and I want to eat it, I'm gonna eat that plant. You know what I mean? And like, that's how I feel. But it's like, at the same time I'm like, I'm pretty, I'm I, you know, I always tell people, like when they ask me politically like, where do you stand? I go, here's the deal. If my son's riding his bike out in the driveway and he wrecks my wife, my wife is my little liberal right? And I love her for it. Um, she wants to run out and pick him up and dust him off and help him get on his bike and put him out. And I sit there and go, he's gonna be just fine. He's gonna pick himself up, he's gonna dust himself off, get on his own bike, right? And then he is gonna ride and he's gonna be so much better for it. And they're both right. Right. She's right for how she is. And I'm, I believe I'm right for how I am. And it's just a difference in how we choose to raise our baby, which is like our country, right? And how we wanna love our well in having a difference is kind of what's, it's wonderful dude. Like in fact, it's ideally that's, if he could have both, it's like a husband and wife sharpen each other. It would be great if the Republican party and the Democratic Party would both sharpen each each other instead of both being like, let's see how we can like, solidify our power and screw people over better and create defense and create Devi so that we can like position ourselves to get those votes. Yeah. Well let's, let's see where we can come up with the best solutions. Cause that's what collaboration that ball's supposed to be about. Both that, that, that, those two, you know, those that balance right, of how we are gonna care for ourselves. Well, looking toward the future and trying to change, be progressive, whatever. Yeah. And. like appreciating the things of the past. Joe, what do you have to say in that space? Um, politics. I would say, uh, as far as my own personal views, I am, I always say I'm fiscally conservative, but socially. So you're libertarian too? Yeah. Yes. A freaking closet Libertarian on the show, like 75%. Like, leave our money alone. Let me do whatever hell I want to. Yeah. Yeah. But then socially, a lot, a lot more liberal, you know, versus like, and that's And it's way too. Yeah, exactly. Just like, well what about the, what's the problem? You know, this woke stuff going on in schools and grooming. That's a fun one. Like there was somebody that posed the other day, I'm, uh, dating a woman that looks like she's eight years old, but she's actually 23 and it's great. Yeah, I saw that on the, on the Twitter and it was like, is that a grooming thing too? You know? Anyway, I digress. But it's weird. Like there's, it's tough because you have so many of those things that are just outside of the norm that catch so much attention. Um, and so I think that a lot of people kind of, you know, polarize to those different things and say, well, if you're this, then that weird thing that I said over there is probably what you're talking No, not necessarily. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so I think all, like, everything, just like Brian said, like being a, a white male, you know, then you get stereotyped over to this side. Yeah. Healthy, the athletic white male with, and I think that most people are probably a lot closer the center than anything, but, um, Yeah. As, as far as that goes. Um, yeah, I, I agree. Like there's idiots on both sides. I don't know why they still get all of the power. Um, why haven't we taken a, we just want the government rise smaller. And I think, you know, like a con, it's less corruptible is what I think about. Like, if you make the government responsible for less things, then it's less influential. Exactly. Influenceable, both those words work. Yeah. Yeah. I bet they both work. And you can't, like, you can't use the government as a tool to mess people up because it doesn't have enough much power anyway. But you realize how much power they have with Covid, right? When you, oh gosh. Covid hits and you go, it was crazy. You know, I'll do whatever the hell I want. And you go, no, you won't actually, because you're licensed. Nobody stood nothing. We'll go ahead and put this policy into place. We've all got something. You can do what you want to do. Yeah. But you're violating that policy. And so, and you can't do it if you want, you can't go back to living anymore. Cuz like for me, it's real, real estate. You know, I'm licensed Adam House, licensed through the city in the state. Did you have to get vaccinated to go show houses and stuff? We, we didn't. I mean, we didn't. You chose not to. I, I, I, uh, ended up choosing to get vaccinated for my marriage sake, honestly. Fair. And I, and I, and the reality of the vaccination deal is I looked back and I was like, I've had all kinds of shit put in my body. Right, right. And I've never complained about it once, and now there's just, and I, there's a lot of people that are smarter than me make an argument for why that was a bad idea to put that in your body. I didn't like the mandate. Hell no. I'm a rebellious decision. I mean, you put a sign on that doll, like that wall right there, it says, don't touch. And I'm like, fucking gonna touch this. I'm touching that wall. Right, right. Yeah. Like, that's just nature right's a lot. This somebody puts the sun on that wall, says mm-hmm you have to touch this wall. You're not gonna tell me what I'm gonna do. Right. But I mean, that's who we are. If you ask me nice. I might do, I probably will do it. Right, right. If you tell me I must, then I'm like, eh, something you, that's how we got here as America. Like, you look at us and like if, if you, if you live here in the United States, right. Like your ancestors came on a boat. Like for sure. They started with like a complete's a melt pot. Fuck. You know what I mean? Like, they're like, we're getting on a boat, you know? And if they came over like the Appalachian Mountains, like they're even meaner you know what I mean? Like Yeah. Right. Like they're like, where you're like, okay, you're gonna go hills and like, what's over there? Well, if they moved to North Indian Dakota Yeah. And it's even worse. Right. You know what I mean? Like, and it's just like, and so you got like, you're not that many generations away from like some ancestor that was like, I don't give a shit, man. I'm going west. Right. I'm just go over where you won't tell me what to you tell me to go west. I'll go west and fucking like, I'll plant my ass in the list. Like Yucca Field. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Yeah. I always think about our great-great-grandfather. I'm like, if he'd have just like stayed on the train for like two more days, bro. it would be in California right now we, we've like been in California, like own some actual land, you know what I mean? Like, like the temperature is perfect. Yeah, bro. He stopped in Ordway, Colorado. Well, you know what I mean? It must have been a big Rainier or something that year. Something like you can go there if you want to. The land of plenty. Yeah, I know. It's like freaking deserts. Thinks a desert man. That river, like there's like the Horse Creek ran once back in like 1905. Right? So politics is messy. It's dumb. Abandoned generally like the, the logical. thing of do what you want. Small government. Mm-hmm. has been abandoned basically cuz the other two parties have too much to gain by keeping it that way. Yep. Yeah. And what's your local experience? What's that crazy experience? That crazy thing? Um, do you wanna go first this time Joe? Uh, sure, sure please, youngster. Um, I haven't had to like tons of like really no near death done like that. Crazy. I mean we've had some near death, but just like so many those it's hard to pick one out. Joe lit our front yard on fire once his kids. Yeah. I mean I've had some fire experiences like who hasn't these days, right? like everybody, you experiment when you're a kid, dude. And I'm sitting on the couch and this isn't your crazy experience, but I'm sitting on the couch, mean I'm watching TV on like, we're like not being watched by our parents, right. And Joe just runs by Emmy and Adam watch him and then like all of a sudden he runs back past us with like this little pan full of water and he runs out the front door, And me and Adam look at each other like, what is going on out there? And we go out in the front yard and Joe had like dumped a gas tank out and just lit the whole yard on fire. I didn't like mean it wasn't an act of arson, but I was, I started a small bundle of sticks on fire and wanted to get that fire going a little better so I got a gas can and started pouring on it. And uh, it turns out like even dirt, it follows it up. Even dirt will burn even dirt burns with gas, gas on it. Yeah. And will continue to burn as well. So Um, so as far as my, my craziest experience I'll go with, um, just kind of changing it up and, and choosing to do something that, uh, seems impossible. So, um, we grew up, you know, did all kinds of little sports, baseball, um, wrestling, and then, uh, track and, and so kind of went that route. Mm-hmm. Um, and then a few years ago I decided that I was gonna start running as part of a fitness challenge. Challenge. Oh, okay. Yeah. And, um, and so then decided, well, you know, I'm gonna try to run on, oh, no. One of you supposed I've got, I've got much slimmer. Yeah. I'm doing wild west. Really? I'm putting a team together next August, by the way, if you wanna be part of it. Okay, cool. I'm always about, I'm always game for stuff. It's a relay race to, to steamboat. Is it from Fort Collins? So, so is that the one that goes up into Wyoming and then back down from there? Yeah, slightly. It goes up, uh, up over dead man stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, up through Walden. I don't think it actually gets in the Wyoming. It gets right across, get your ass over the past and Yeah. It's back country running all through the. Yeah. Thir 34 hours in a row for a team or something. Well, that was my, I mean, my experience. So I started running, um, and then, uh, just kind of said, you know, if I say it's impossible, then I have to find a way to do it and eventually found, you know, my way to deciding on doing a hundred Mile ultra run You did. And so this last summer I That's cool. Yeah. Up in, um, fair play Colorado did a hundred Mile Ultra and awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So do you think about the Leadville? Uh, so I actually applied for the Leadville and I didn't get in the lottery this year, so I'll keep applying and Awesome. There's ways you can like buy your way into it. Yeah, yeah. You know, so, um, over the next couple years that's, that's kind of my plan, but that's awesome, man. Yeah. Congratulations. It Jane. So one of my theories or one of my observations about the world is like your body kind of changes itself to do the thing that you make it do. Yeah. Um, and if you're like, I don't know, you might have been as big as Brian two years ago, but if you became a long distance runner within a couple years, it's gonna like trim you down and make you slim because the body's like, I'm not gonna carry this big ass chest, muscles and all. Yeah. Well, what's interesting though, like your ultra running is, is a little bit more, uh, suited to, to somebody that has a little more bulk to em, right? Because you've gotta have some energy reserve, you little burn, you've got a little more strength to just kind of keep on going. And so, uh, but it's a mental game. Like all running is all, all running is really about to game. Like the first time I ran more than a mile. It's all Exactly. Yep. And that's exactly right. So, yeah. Um, you know, nothing like crazy, like whatever you did, a hundred mile race if shit, that's crazy. And all I always tell people is like, it's like running a mile. You just do it a hundred more times. Right. That's basically it. And like you said, just keep your mind just basically blank and say, I've got, I've gotta go to there and then I've gotta go to there. It's, it's really just a, a war of attrition and actually, well, but to do it fast and well, it's like not just, I, I didn't do it. I never said I did it fast and well. Well, I did it slow and poorly and like to feel good about it. You pushed it a little bit at times. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I had my goals and I had to, you know, yeah. I identify myself. I'm gonna make it there. It's like, I'm gonna, like, I notice like that's the constant self-talk I have in my own brain when I'm running is like, oh, I just noticed that I'm going like at least 20% slower than I really could be going right now. Yeah. And I could like hold a speed at a higher pace than this if I just try Yep. And acknowledge myself that I can push it a little bit harder. Yeah. And, uh, it's just that over and over and over and over. So that's it. Good for you. Nothing crazy, man. I wanna give you knuckles. Yeah. Yeah. It's, Brian, you've ever done anything, you know, dude, it's not like that because you're, no, I haven't done anything like that, man. You're, you're a knuckle dragger. So how are you gonna run that far? I'm not sorry, Mr. Tier. I don't know. Sorry. It's a, that's a really interesting question, man. Like, yeah. Um. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of anything. I mean, it's lots of things. Brian's life is constantly like, here's this crazy thing, let's do it. And so it's like I have to pull one outta those heads, full one out. It's just all kinda like it. It's numb. How's your because of that, your, is Andrea's your wife? My wife is Andreas. Has she, uh, has she been like beaten up by so many crazy things that she's just good for the ride? Or does she like Yeah, like grab onto the back of the car and drag her feet? Like Wilma Flintstone? No, no, no. She, she for sure like, is like given into, at this point, at this point to like this uncertainty. She's like, shit, Brian. Which is really hard for, right, because like, I think it's like, I live a really, I, I have a hide is like crave uncertainty, right? Yeah. So like, if I can get myself into a situation where you're kind of happy to live in chaos, so you can see what's next from there, for sure. Right. And so if I can get myself in a situation where I'm not comfortable, right, like where I go, this is really awkward for me, then I like it. Right. Um, you know, I, we, you know, I, I love, I love that adventure piece of life where we get to go. Um, you know, I, I love hunting animals, you know, with a, with a bow in my hand. And so, you know, yearly I'll spend, you know, 20 to 30 days in the woods. Wow. Sleeping in the, on the ground, you know? That's cool. And so it's fun. Um, but you know, what a colony of it. Crazy. I don't know man. I think that, you know, yeah, I would say I. Joe. I don't know. I mean, it's so hard. Third, I've had the, like, the time to like, so many people would say like, about it, this crazy thing I did one time is I graduated from high school and the next day I moved to Fort Collins Right. Not a place to live. Not a place. And so this is just kind of part of the course. It's just like what I do. Yeah. It's just, yeah. Nothing is really like, and I've done a lot of stupid stuff like that. Right. Yeah. Just kind of, yeah. What faith, like I'm just gonna, it's gonna work cuz I'm a guy that's gonna find a way to make it work. Um, I think that's kind of cool. Gosh, crazy things. I mean, he's, like you said, he's been, uh, you know, four Olympic trials and you're like way up there in the world so far up there in the world. Yeah. Just the pursuit point. Yeah. I mean, I, I threw things and, and I threw 'em far, you know, I think that it was just, you know, I mean, it's always been an adventure man. Like, you know, getting, like Adam said, his, his second plane flight was, I'm getting to go to Alaska and I think my first was, um, I guess we flew when I was a baby before we were born, me and Adam were born in Alaska. Wow. Flew back. And that was a flight. Right. But my real, you know, my real like first flight, you know, I mean, I had like gone on a couple football recruiting trips to, in different colleges and uh, with track I got to CSU and they were like, Hey, like, we're gonna go to California with like, all these boys and girls are going. And, uh, you know, and I was like, Hey, you're gonna California and you're gonna, you're gonna fly there and you're gonna be by the ocean. I was like, I'll just, I'll sign up for this. Right. Rather than play football. So I ended up doing track in college was just, um, you know, that. Um, and so I think it's always, man, it's always been an adventure. I don't, it's funny. You know, I think with our dad being who he was, and he struggled with alcohol, and we were like our whole lives, you know, and mm-hmm. And so he was a wonderful guy to ke you know, he, he kept us, he raised us, he loved us. And at the same time we got to kind of watch, you know, his struggle there and, and raised, we kind of raised each other, right? And Yeah. Yeah. And so I think for me, I've, I've, I'm comfortable with that level of uncertainty, right? And, um, and I think that, you know, maybe it is the craziest thing, probably, I think in some ways I, I have that. Being comfortable with the uncomfortable chaos or the uncomfortable unknown. Yeah. Mm-hmm. like stepping into the unknown without really knowing it can actually be a habit of it. It's a need, it could a need Right. Certainty for some of us. Uncertainty. I dunno, I don't know if everybody has that. No, no. I mean, they, but some of us really do. Yeah. Yeah. Even, even, you know, when you watch a movie, uh, you know, the uncertainty of the ending is, is is why it's fun. So we all like a little bit of uncertainty. Sure. But certain people like it in a theater. Yeah. And I like it top of a mountain, you know what I mean? You know, and raising a family and having a wife and all these Yeah. You know, I was gonna leading really literally like the crazy circus leading the circus while you're Yeah. Like willing to walk into the crazy at any point. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I agree, man. I think, I think that is, I mean, literally I think it's funny, but I think the things that's, if we're talking crazy and like how, how much it scares you, right? Like for sure business, I mean for sure. These businesses is the craziest thing I've ever done. I have a bunch of people that have paychecks that Absolutely, you completely, man is like going, no, no, I got you. And I'm going, oh, fucking know what I'm doing, you know, Right. And, and like, you should show up here. Show them. You should show up here Monday at eight o'clock. Right. And I bet we'll have something for you to do. Yeah. Yeah. And I, and I, and I know it sounds dumb, man, but I feel like that is the cr like the craziest thing, you know what I mean, that I've ever done is, is really, you know, doing this and it sounds stupid because that's what this podcast is about. And I don't want it to sound like I'm just doing that to me. No, it, it's crazy. Feel so good. Like, honestly, it's, it's crazy to sign up for that thing of being. I'm gonna be responsible for making sure you seven people or you 20, 30, 50 people get paychecks next week, next month, the month after. A thousand percent the hardest thing I've ever done. Right? Yeah. Especially we move into, we have some of our companies, we have, we, you know, you moved one to Grand Lake. We didn't talk about, like, we have an engineering company that moved into the hemp and cannabis space. Oh. Um, and that, that is one I spend a lot of time in currently. Hmm. Um, and that space has sucked. It has just been so horrible. And, uh, I told my friend not to invest or absolutely get involved in a thing and he did. And he finally got out with his, a bunch of money getting out of his teeth. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. Yeah. It's been really hard. And um, but I'm cool with it, man. I mean, we get told some good stuff, so, so nothing ventured, nothing gained. I, I, I wish, no, if there's actually anybody still listening after three hours, I would love to get 'em a good answer on what the craziest cuz we've, you know, I don't have any, I mean, they've got a lot of fun stories, you know, of Yeah. Being on rivers and, I mean, almost drowning at nine 30 at night and flipping boats and buy coffee. All the crazy things you can hear the real craziest times. Yeah, exactly. Buy me a coffee. We'll tell some stories. Right. But, but, um, I mean, the crazy, you know, I mean, we've done a lot. I mean, dude, our first house we flipped. I put, I had five credit cards Right. When credit cards put every one of em, house, max house all the way. Yeah. Dude. And we're looking at the table, we're sitting around the kitchen table, table. If it goes 12 without selling, you'll never make it. We're done. We're out. We're out. Yeah. And, and now, honestly, at any, any given day with five businesses rolling around, if they all take a dip at the same time, we can lose everything. Yeah. But what is everything ultimately Right? Like it's, I mean, they're not gonna, you know, I'll just start again the next day. Yep. So we raised our, our prices in January. Sure. I meant to in, in January, 2020 mm-hmm. And then in March of 2020 before I got my shit together to do it. Totally man. Like stuff happened and I couldn't really raise my prices during Covid when we were going virtual and stuff. Yeah. And so my, my staff or Alicia, who you just met was like, you know, basically shut all our revenue. like I've got, all my members have to renew their membership. Do either we're trying to get ACH to save like two thirds of the money, or we can go to the credit card. Credit card. Either way we have to like account renew their willingness to be a part of it. Yeah. Whether they come to the meeting or not. And all of 'em are coming, but we don't have a bunch of their money yet. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, well, you know, unless we start collecting like we're done, kind of like we could only go a couple months of not having revenues and still pay all our expenses. And that's the nature of every business. And I'm, there's no, like, I'm fully confident that we will Sure. But when there's recessions, when there's changes in the marketplace where whatever. Yeah. Like there's times when you are gonna go backwards for a little while. I mean, our total, I think our total overhead, if you put 'em all together, we're pushing 300,000 a month. Right. right? Yeah. And so you just look at that and you start to go like, how many jobs is that? Right, right. And like yeah, you have, the world goes to hell in a hand basket. It takes no time at all time. It takes, starts to be, takes three months for before you're just like evaporated all the, that's when you have a million dollars in the bank, real estate equity and stuff like that. It's gone. You're like putting home equity lines and all that. Yeah. You tap it, man, it's gone. And it's, I mean you can, and I think we're there now. I think that, you know, we, we had a couple big jobs. We started taking on the roofing side, some big commercial right. And he tapped our home, you know, the working capital there. Working capital. Dude, they don't pay for 90 days. You don't know, you know, 120 days. And the, and the, and the, so it's just the risk. $500,000. Yeah. Yeah. Go. Do you want to do that or not? And, um, and, and I think you just have to kind of like, you gotta get good at letting go of it and, and, um, and at the same time, like, but at the same time showing up earlier the next day and going twice as hard So you have to like both, like with one hand, like hold it very loosely the other hand, trust fucking start punching and bust ass. Yeah, exactly. Trust and bust ass. I think that's a theme of today's butt. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. And it's, that's the one kind thing. It was like nobody, nobody of the brothers or anybody in our family, um, they all show up and go hard. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so, um, it's, um, man, I'm sure I'd have plenty of friends that would be like, dude, that was crazy. You should have picked that one out. I know. I think we're good. I think we're good. Yeah. Because frankly, just doing kind of what you guys do and the way that you do it is an interesting thing. Yeah. Because it's, it's a different model than a lot what I've seen, so. Well, yeah. I mean, so for me, I go, I'll hunt in Montana by myself, like on the hillside where there's like multiple grizzly pairs. Right. And like, that's my relaxing time, right? Yeah. that's more than running these businesses, right? Like do, I don't have a gun, right. I have a bow and arrow, like a knife. Like I'm gonna fight my way outta this thing. And I just tell my kids like, I'm all dead serious. I'm like, just hopefully I kill the bear. The bear that kills me. You guys can make a necklace out of his claw or, or something, bro. Something or outta your claws, like, yeah. Yeah. And so it's, um, so that's, you know, that's how we relax. But it's, I don't know, man. We're lucky. We're really lucky. Yeah. Who, uh, Joe, do you want to share, like how to look up these various, uh, trainers, circus enterprises? Or we'll just mention names and we'll put the links in the Yeah, so, uh, I would say if you go, um, our different businesses, so, um, like we were talking about, the one that I run, uh, epoxy Colorado, uh, the branch of that that we're actually developing right now that we're gonna grow with is called All American Garage Floors. So, oh, so you're actually pivoting away from that kind of, so we're, we're nicheing, we're kind of, essentially, yeah, it's gonna be a little, a branch on of us there. You gonna try to create a branch house around that name? The branch says there. Yeah. And that spreads a little bit better to places like Montana, Utah, Utah, or Arizona, so, right, right. Um, and then 90, 70 services, uh, that's gonna be the roofing and restoration side of things. So Adam talked about that. Um, then we have Google 90, 70 oh services. Yeah. Or 90, 70 oh services.com, brother. That's right. Yep. Yep. Um, and then, uh, we have H three, uh, which is also Verti. Um, that is our. essentially our design and build company. Yep. Um, and so yeah, same thing. Oh, so you guys have some flex resources that can help those companies, even to some extent. Like we do all the connections, each other histories and stuff like that. Yep. Okay. Yep. And then, uh, we have Beyond Blue Media, uh, bbm. So if you go to beyond blue media.com, uh, they can help you out with and, you know, helping. Yeah. Like from my company website to one of the biggest pieces of the growth of whatever, of, you know, my company is, is online leads. And so Yeah. You know, beyond Blue is a big piece of that. So, um, yep. I'll check them out for that. Um, and then we have him processing partners. Uh, u p Engineering. Yeah. My buddy Mike took a bath in that same industry too. yeah. Yeah, so it's him processing partners in United Precision Engineering. So we're a, it's a systems integration. We, we do midstream engineering, so big system like Cook. Oh, taking the plant apart, not ex not oils or anything like that. Like Okay. Might push it. No. Like what you might use to, to maybe more with the trans and the fibers and stuff. Yep. Yeah. We are doing well. That's where they should be going in some ways. Like it's where it started. Yeah. Right. There's kind of some more value in the, there is the long fibers of hemp than there is in the, the high making properties for sure. And it's, and it's adding it to industrial, like industrial manufacturing processing. So that's where we, that's actually where we focus. Cool. Interesting. Yeah. And then, uh, C3. Real estate. Real estate. Brian Trainor trainer, man, find you your house. Do you have a specialty in your real estate? We barely talked about that, but we Yeah, it's all right. Touch a bunch of time, man. Just a front range, you know, front range, whatever. We've been focused, you know, anything from investors to first time buyers to Yeah, I like the investors, retirees, whatever. Do that deal. Like, it's, it's fun to look at that deal from the investor side. Mm-hmm. Pen, a lot more kind of farm and ranch work lately. Okay. Um, I like acreage. Bottom line is, is like, this is how, that's how we pair our bills. And so it's, it's a, it's a great job and, you know, really we help whoever, you know, whoever can help. Right. I mean, it's, it'd be a lot. Before I said, nah, I'm too busy for that. That's cool. You know? Well, you become kind of a collection center for knowledge about the region. Yeah. Just through the way you have different interactions. So before he left, Adam started asking me all about local think tank and stuff. Yeah, absolutely. I I'm not gonna make space for that in this long ass podcast. Oh goodness. Yeah. Um, but it wouldn't be, I mean, if I asked you like, how do you, how do I, you know, what is it? Like, what do we, I know a lot of, I can tell you this, like a lot of the guys at our companies have found you outside of us as owners, right? Yeah. It's like we're finding our mid-level sort of, or general manager type of person going and, and working with you guys and, and, and what it is. I mean, I'll, I'll put my commercial. I have no, I literally don't know what you do Yeah. And, um, but I can tell you that they come back with good questions answered. Cool. And it's a resource as an owner, um, to have those general manager. They're going, Hey, I'm struggling with my boss. He's a, he's doing this. Yeah, yeah, it is. Because we're definitely not, I'm not sure why he's doing this. I'm not sure why he's doing this, but it's a place for them to go. I've found, like with Luke, and he comes back and goes, Hey, I have a little better understanding of you maybe, or Here's how we might direct the company a little differently. Yeah, yeah. And as an owner, when you have, you know, we always talk about like the brothers, we talk about you can hire somebody's hands and you can, you guys have that kind of built in, right? You've gotta, you gotta six side monster. We're accountable, we're accountable to each other in that way. But, you know, you can hire somebody's brain, you can hire their hands, but to hire their hearts really hard. Yeah. And I think they go to someplace like Loco Think Tank and that's where they take, they go there with their heart and they really do go, I care about this company. Cuz if they didn't care, they would never show up. Right. Why would they? And so to see them show up, you go, oh man, that guy's given it all for us. Like, he's really bringing all three of those things. Cause you can't buy the heart, you know, and, and they, they have to choose to give that to you from Yeah. Yeah. Them caring about you as a company and your culture and, and where you're at. So, yeah. No, it's, it's clutch and you know, just to, to be brief and to share what local Tank does and like, so for example, Brian, I would think that you would be a next level member. Because you are the president and kind of the chief vision guy for the trainers circus. Sure. You know, it's like, what am I trying to create over the next 2, 3, 5 years? Yeah. I'm not, you know, I'm doing real estate, but I'm not really touching that many things specifically for me. No. Yeah. It's the, my lead, the leaders that I hire and that I cultivate and how I interact with them is really gonna be how my legacy is built and decided. Yeah. So the, the, that's what the next level is, is like, you know, typically the, the overall five to $25 million creator operation that does stuff and needs a leader that isn't at the front line. Yep. And, and Joe would be a great candidate for what we call our builder or our, our thinker group that's kind of a five to 20 employee primary decider for that enterprise. You know, the epoxy, Colorado, all the questions were on the brand adjustment and stuff, um, around the marketing, positioning, team management, bids, estimates, communications, marketing. Yeah. You know, those things to get you from that doer seat a little bit to the, to the next level in, in separating yourself from the business. Some. Yeah. That's, so that's, that's what we try to do. You know, we get people with peers that are similar, similar level of complexity mm-hmm. and they meet a half day, once a month, and they get a facilitator to run the meeting, to be the minder, not to be the decider, but to be the minder of the chapter. Keeps order and structure. Yeah. And so my podcast from this fall, uh, episode 86 was Kim O'Neal. Mm-hmm. um, she and her husband and his dad really built Encompass Technologies. Yeah. A huge software scale up that went from, you know, garage to 500 and some employees, a couple rounds of private equity, couple acquisitions she wants to give back. Yeah. She wants to give back to the community and help other people that wanna scale something special. Yeah. And so she takes an underpaying job for me, managing a group of next level with the thinkers. It's my longtime members that have sold a business sometimes and things. So that's what it is. It's a support group. Yeah. It's a board of directors. It's a community of people that will shoot you straight. Yeah. You guys have had that within each other, so you haven't really felt an absence. I could totally see that. Entrepreneurship's lonely, 10 brains is better than three brains, right? Yeah. Like, that's part of the, the value proposition is. So anyway, we can talk more about it later, but Perfect. That's what we do. Very cool. Yeah. Very cool man. Guys. Speed. You guys. It's better joy. Hey, thank you. You, it's, it's, uh, fun to be around people that create things. Yeah, yeah. For sure. And, and try to do it better. And so, uh, thanks for being here and, uh, thank you guys for listening.