BONUS EPSIODE - #2 Hot Nugs Conversation with Adam Eggleston For Mayor of the City of Fort Collins

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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My guest today is Adam Eggleston.

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For mayor, as his t-shirt says, I am.

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Thank you for having me.

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That's a, that's a pretty solid T-shirt.

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Did you make more than one?

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Uh, I have, I have four or five different designs I've made and, uh, but all

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solos you don't have like a crew of like volunteers, they'll get a t-shirt for Oh yeah.

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So Minions, I

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have this shirt and one other shirt that if anyone donates$25 or more to my campaign Oh.

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And requests a shirt, I will get a shirt to'em.

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Oh, nice.

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Typically within about two days.

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Okay.

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Uh, can do a whole bunch of different colors and so I, I do have a whole bunch of, uh, volunteers and friends.

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Do you have a

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screen printing business in your garage or something?

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Uh, no.

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I found a, like a single print, like on demand print.

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It's a little bit pricier than like, right.

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What would be, so you're paying

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like$26 for these$25 donations?

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No, I'm paying like 22.

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But they might get other donors may get, get other donors, you know, they start movement that way.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And I always, uh, like the worst part about.

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I, I suck at asking for money and whatnot and yeah.

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I'm just doing it.

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'cause you're like, Hey, buy a cool T-shirt.

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Yeah.

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And'cause I, and I'm really enjoying designing new t-shirts.

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I just designed two more yesterday.

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Sweet.

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So when I have downtime from the campaign, which isn't often, uh, I'm playing on Canva and designing new shirts and stuff of that

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nature.

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You're building new skills.

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Yeah.

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As you run for mayor.

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Trying to and have you, what's the, what's the new designs?

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Can I ask?

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Uh, yeah.

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So I have a kind of a rustic, um, black and white design with four Collins with horse tooth in the background.

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Okay.

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Uh, more classic.

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More classic for Collins, Colorado.

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Uh, and then I have a really nice, this is

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your Comic-Con shirt here.

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This is my

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Comic-Con.

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I wear this shirt when I door knock.

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Sure.

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'cause if they see a fat man walking up to a door wearing their shirt, they're like, you're not a normal canvasser.

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Right.

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And we should probably check to make sure you're okay.

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Right.

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Is this like person being like held without their permission or something like that here?

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Like,

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why is this guy like walking?

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He doesn't seem like he, does he need some food?

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Yeah, food or, I do get, I and I, I'm running exercise if like, people are seeing me out in the, the neighborhood like, hey, if you see me check to make sure I have sunscreen on and I'm doing okay, I'm not used to exercise and my head burns really easily and I've had people stop me.

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They're like, you got sunscreen on?

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I was like, yeah.

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I was like, thanks mask.

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It is for Collins, looking out for Fort Collins.

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And so it's a, it's a really fun way to play on, um, you know, the door knocking and, and being professional and having the suit and tie on.

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Yeah, the right forms and appropriate times.

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Pro, pro times.

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But, you know, tonight I figured eating hot sauces, having fun time talking about, you know, just creative stuff.

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Uh, it's a good place for to rock the, uh, ComicCon uh, the slight, um, overweight superhero.

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Um,

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he's looking good.

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Thank you.

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He's looking good.

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Well, and I hope you're prepared for me to take my shirt off tonight'cause we're doing a selection of much hotter sauces than we did in the Shirley Peel interview because she advised us ahead of time that she was a Antis Spice girl and she did the whole run, including a couple pretty bird ones.

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So.

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And I was sweaty.

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Like that was one of the last things she said to me in the interview was, my God, I can't believe how sweaty you are.

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So I,

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I completely anticipate, I didn't know shirts would be coming off.

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Um, your shirt may come off.

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Mine won't.

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Okay.

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Uh, if I do that, I'm not

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sure if my shirt will come off.

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I would

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lose instantly.

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Um.

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There'd be zero effort on me running for rest of the campaign.

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Uh, and I kind of figured this hot sauces might be a little bit hotter, um, just just with my friendship and my knowledge.

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Yeah.

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So, so

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yeah.

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Credit with due, um, this was a little bit your idea, so, yeah.

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Um, and we've excluded you from all the planning and stuff since the idea was.

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Seated with Sean and Paul, so exactly.

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This was a, I was sitting at crazy Carl's and I was like, Hey, I just got done watching a hot Ones episode, and I was like, this would be fun to do real, get real questions and answers from candidates.

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And I knew, uh, a lot of the, my peer candidates would probably be down for it.

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And I've known Sean forever.

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And so, uh, met him at Carl crazy.

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Carls was like, Hey.

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What about this?

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He's like, I'm in.

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Yeah.

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And then, and then I like messaged Paul.

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I was like, Hey Paul, do you wanna do this?

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He's like, I'm in.

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And then, uh, Sean turned me onto to you and he's like, I was like, Kurt, would you be in on this and you're in?

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And so it turned into just like a random Yeah.

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I was like, I'll have a

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coffee about it.

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I don't know if I'm in or not.

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But, and

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then, uh, and then it was like, oh, this is a thing now.

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Now by the way, we're still

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looking for sponsors to help cover the cost of producing this episode.

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Adam offered to pay us back later, especially if he gets elected Mayor.

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Or if I lose, I think if I lose, if I teasing that sounds ethically policy anyway.

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I don't know.

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We're doing it of our own free will and volition without sponsors and without any expectation of hookups.

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Although it would be nice if parking remained free.

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So,

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you know, I think that's maybe.

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Uh, a conversation we can have, and I do agree with that.

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So let's, uh, before we get too far into a normal loco experience episode, we've got a format today.

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Okay.

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And that format includes dipping a nugget into this first sauce, which is gonna be pretty modest, giving some tasting notes.

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And then once you're done chewing, oh, we need some napkins in here.

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Oh, um, would somebody be so kind as to bring us some napkins.

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Um, and then once we have offered tasting notes, then we shall, uh, ask you the first question.

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I like it.

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And by we, I mean me.

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Okay.

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I'm not trying to use like a plural.

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I mean, I could ask you questions as well.

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I know if that would Well, to some

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extent the community is asking you questions.

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Thanks, Eva.

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Thank you.

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Um, and because a couple of these questions were community sourced and, uh, so it is a we,

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so I, I like it, like, I, like I've uh, said before, there's not a question I won't answer.

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Um, there may be, uh, I may not have the answers to the questions.

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Sure.

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But at least I will tip to answering question,

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at least what you think anyway.

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Yeah, I dig it.

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So let's do the first, let's do the first nug.

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Perfect.

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So this is, oh, and actually as we go, if you, you can reach'em.

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So would you mind telling the audience what this one is?

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This is the Matador barbecue sauce.

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Yeah.

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So Matador, barbecue sauce, um, just kind of,

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they're straight up barbecue.

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Yeah.

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Just kind of you're running the mail.

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Oh.

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And

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Shirley and I decided if you switch it around, you can double dip, but you have to go to the non bitten end.

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No, that makes sense.

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cause neither of us wanted to like, not be able to double dip, but, you know, germs and all that.

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Hmm.

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Nice.

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Sweet.

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Mm-hmm.

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Good flavor.

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Nice on the tang, but not too, too tgy.

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Yeah.

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So just a good traditional, you wanna thin anybody?

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Yeah.

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Just a good traditional B or barbecue sauce.

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This is good.

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And I could rock this a lot.

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It seems to me like it would be especially good, like I'm thinking about like kind of burned on the edges on some chicken thighs on the grill and that kind of thing where it's been maybe drizzled a couple times.

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Mm-hmm.

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Even before you serve it.

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Oh yeah.

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You

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put, you throw this on, uh, a good like Brent Ends or, um, park Belly would be really good.

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So the first question from James Merkley, one of our co-collaborators here as well, story Path Creative, what's your fondest story to share about the people or the community of Fort Collins?

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You

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know, I've had

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a, a really fun and interesting career in life where I've lived here my whole life and there's been several times where I have seen the community come out to support me.

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Um, through different challenges, um, um, uh, medical issues, some car accidents and Oh, really?

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And I've really seen the, um, it's always been the community feel.

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Um, every time I've, I've gone out and one of my favorite parts about Fort Collins is no matter where I've gone, I, I run into people, you know, where I go and everyone's, everyone's very friendly.

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Um, I haven't, I don't know if there's been less, there's probably less than five interactions I've had in my entire life in Fort Collins, which has been pretty much my entire life Yeah.

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Without, are negative.

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Hmm.

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Um, and then I've also, in my, um, current position, um, as a community advocate, um, um, helping out those throughout the community is, I really have seen the interaction that our community members give to each other wherein someone's at their worst or they're struggling with a challenge or the just have gone through a traumatic experience.

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I, I've seen time and time again where our community members come out to support each other with no idea or concern about, um, like, uh, payment back or service back the next almost.

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And I've been in Yeah, think

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about like even like the Save the Lyric campaign.

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Yeah.

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Way back when it, it's, you know, before the new lyric location was established and stuff.

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Right?

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Oh yeah.

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And, and or things like that.

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And like going out to, and being a part of all these nonprofits where no one ever asks about what's your political background?

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No one ever asks about your social economic style, uh, or, or background.

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Our community really seems to come out to help each other when it's needed and when it's warranted.

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And so for me, the cumulation just living here and seeing the absolute positivity that a community has for each other is Absolutely, yeah.

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Um, like just immense and grateful.

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Um, even whenever you see the one outliers that's.

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Tries to start or cause issues.

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Sure, sure.

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The amount of people come out to kind of stop that is quite impressive and just endearing.

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Yeah.

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I I think that's probably one of the, when you and I had that coffee to talk about this the first time was just kind of a both of our notions of like the localization of your attention mm-hmm.

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And of your efforts.

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Yeah.

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It's, you know, the, I've always been hyper-focused on Fort Collins and, but it's easy to be, um, because of how many great individuals and people there are, uh, is easy to be focused on, uh, hyper-local and even with, with community members, I, I work with and, and talk with, and I've served on 1516.

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Meeting, uh, task force committee groups.

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Oh, wow.

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Uh, I'm kind of addicted to meetings.

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I may be that, uh, I've been told that's why I'm running for mayor.

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Oh my.

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'cause I'm addicted to meetings.

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Shoot.

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We know, and I absolutely love, uh, being meetings, but being there and seeing the diverse opinions and positions and everything that goes on.

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But even when we are disagreeing, we do it respectfully.

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Yeah.

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And truth be told, I have, I've had more, um, challenging debates and arguments over where we're gonna get drinks, uh, or like which brewery we're gonna go to than anything important.

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I don't know what that says about me or the community, but, uh, we'll have, uh, intense debates.

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But then the hardest part of the after art we debate and argue a parti, uh, position is are we gonna go to odells?

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Are we gonna go to Max Line?

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Well, or I have a question.

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Yes.

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Why would you go to Max Line over Rod's I like so the owners of Max Line are two amazing friends.

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That's one of the big reasons, and you're not.

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Old

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town.

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Yeah.

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Which is another good reason not old town.

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And so, and uh, I got stung on this question in 2018 when I ran, um, I was asked, uh, the question was we were at Prot and the question was, uh, what's the best beer in town?

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Oh, I gave this very long diatribe answer.

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I was like, based on the season.

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So like, sad pandas delicious.

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Why has the, um, you try to make everybody happy and not just everyone happy?

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I just like beer.

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Uh, I always say that Fort Collins shaped my mind, but also my body, uh, with a beer scene.

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And more the

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beers than the bikes.

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Exactly.

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Uh, I like, I think biking sounds fun in principle, but I also like beer more than biking.

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Um, and so yeah, it's just been fun.

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And so I gave this long diatribe answer and Julie, who I, who was my, uh, peer candidate, she had the best answer I've ever heard.

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She's like, whatever beer is in front of me.

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Yeah, I was like, oh, that's the right answer.

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My

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favorite beer is free beer.

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That was her follow up.

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And after that odells IPA is kind of my next favorite.

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Odell

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IPA is probably the best beer.

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I think we're ready for the honey sauce.

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Ava, are you ready to bring it for us?

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Thank you.

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So honey habanero sauce from Matador.

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Mm-hmm.

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Uh, anytime, uh, any things that Paul makes, even as that says, honey, I know there's gonna be heat.

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There's a little heat, but usually things that say habanero are actually more hot than this one.

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That's fair.

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Um, so I think it's a very pleasant You, you, you won't, yeah.

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You won't be, you won't be sweating from this one.

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I think I might be baby.

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We were at, uh, high Hops the other day and they have a honey habanero.

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Beer actually, uh, in a can only habanero honey.

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Uh, H-U-N-N-Y is how they spell it.

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'cause they do a lot of weird stuff there.

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Um, but you would probably like that too, because it's beer.

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It's beer.

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This is really nice.

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It has a nice subtle heat, kind of the back of the throat.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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But the honey help and I think the honey helps coat that.

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So it kind of goes down as you feel the heat going down.

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I agree.

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And so, good flavor, good.

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Easy thing.

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This would be nice on a hot wing.

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This would be a great entry.

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Like hot sauce for like kids.

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Oh

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yeah.

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Where it's, yeah, it's a hot sauce, but you're gonna love it'cause it's so full of honey that you can't help but love it.

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Yeah.

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Your brain's already been trained to love it.

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Your

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brain's been trained to live.

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I actually just saw, um, I saw a thing that a natural cure for, um, like if you have coughs at night, instead of taking like ny quilt, do like a small spoon of honey and that does.

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Has a thing.

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It's like taking eye quilt.

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Hmm.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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My grandpa did that.

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Um, but he put whiskey in it that would also help.

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And hot water, he called it a hot toddie.

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Um, but that was a children's cough remedy from my mom's dad.

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I mean, those old remedies, uh, I always say our parents, what it was a, it wasn't a ton of ton of booze.

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Maybe a tablespoon of booze or something.

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Right.

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But that would help keep everyone asleep, especially when, when you're three and you haven't had booze before that, that would help.

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The second question is from Paul.

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Okay.

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Owner of Matador.

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Um, what is your plan to help support small businesses to start and grow in Fort Collins?

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So, uh, I recently closed, I I was a small business owner.

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Okay.

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Um, I owned, uh, Oaked Coffee Co.

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And I recently closed it, uh, on June 30th.

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Um, just due to.

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Commodity commodity prices and tariffs and whatnot.

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Okay.

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Um, so being a small business owner, seeing on how many permitting and hoops you had to go through.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I understand.

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Like even to

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have a micro business virtually Yeah.

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Micro business and how many different regulations I had to go through just for just roasting coffee.

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I didn't ha I didn't have a, um, patrons.

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I was a wholesale coffee company and there was a lot of steps I had to go through and some things I know the city can't control.

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We can't control commodity prices, we can't control, um, outside influences, but we can control the permitting time and, and fee structure in order to make it easier to start businesses so there's less downtime.

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Yeah.

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And then going forward.

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I wanted to see if we can explore some type of way to stabilize rent.

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'cause I know that's one of the hardest things for small businesses.

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Okay.

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Uh, and as, uh, the rent increases in some cases are 25, 30, 40% every two years, where if you're a small business or a local business, you're not being able to budget for a 40% increase in rent every two, two years.

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And so what ends up happening is you're making a fine weight or income, or you're making Right, right.

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You're existing, you're doing okay for a while, but then all of a sudden you're having to raise expense prices by another, you know, 30% to match the 40% increase in, in rent.

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So,

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so why do you think the rent increased that much?

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And, and what would you do to stabilize, quote unquote the rent?

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So, part of, so we need to work with a county assessor.

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Um, I think there's, they, I think over the last, um.

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Five or eight years through the pandemic, we've really seen like, uh, values went up so much.

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Like fake values?

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Yeah.

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Fake news.

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Fake, fake or just a, a uh, inappropriate increase in value proposition Yeah.

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Or property values.

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Yeah.

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To a point

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where like a lot of, they can't

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pay the property taxes almost unless they increase their rent.

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Correct.

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Or they're not even that, where the value of the property isn't even what this being assessed for.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so if you're, I experienced that I sent the city a appraisal on my residential property for 530,000 after they raised my tax assessor's value to 6 95.

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Wow.

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'cause I was trying to build a carriage house.

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I was like, here's my As is valuation.

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From last month and they were like, sorry, I can't hear you.

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We need your money.

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Yeah.

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Bye.

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And as a former realtor, like I would do, um, protests for all of my clients and anyone who asked, uh, and at some point we're seeing property values residentials go up 30, 40, 50% year over year.

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But we've seen that consistently with commercial.

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Yeah.

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Even though that the market's starting to stabilize and kind of correct a little bit.

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Yeah.

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So we're not seeing those values come down.

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So we're still seeing the property values go up 40% where if your property, or at least the

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cost of occupancy.

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Yeah.

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And so now the business owners that may not have the collateral to buy the$5 million building are having to be subject to those rent increases.

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Um, okay.

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So, so what would like.

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But don't those property owners need to get that level of rent to stay solvent?

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Or like would you have the city subsidize rent or something?

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That seems almost worse.

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So we can't subsidize rent.

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And what we, we can do is work with the county assessor to stabilize rent increases.

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So in like Or valuation increases?

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Yeah, valuation increases.

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That would be something I would

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agree with is that like property values shouldn't be able to go up 10 times.

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Or the rate of inflation.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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'cause inflation was supposed to be three or four or 5%.

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Yeah.

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Or even maybe more than double inflation.

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Like they can't jack that fast,

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so they have to have a better, because that

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creates kind of an inflationary

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Yeah.

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Like turbine almost.

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Where now the rent's higher.

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So I gotta charge more for my food than I'm selling to my customers.

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And now that everybody's paying more.

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And the smaller businesses have a harder time keeping up with that cost increase.

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Like if you're Starbucks because you're getting your coffee at 10 cents a pound,'cause you own the PR land where it's grown, the ships that it's shipped on.

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Yeah.

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The, the trucks you own, everything you can offer, you can find ways to stabilize that price increase.

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Um, if you're a small business owner, you may not be able to handle that rent going from 5,000 a month to 7,000 a month.

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Um, because now you're asking, uh, your customers to pay, well,

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maybe, maybe not.

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I would argue that like Starbucks left old town, partly because the rent was too high compared to the traffic allowed, you know, the parking.

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And so, so like in Old Town as a good example, I would think we should maybe convert Old Town into like an opportunity zone where we work the county assessor just not to increase the assessed value.

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Now the property values can go up.

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So if you're a property owner and you wanna sell it for 10 million, but stabilize it for, so they

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almost get a subsidized.

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Property tax situation because we want old time to continue to exist as a retail environment

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exist and to provide stability.

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So rather than every two, maybe another way to thinking about it, maybe instead of every, the property values increase every two years or be, they are only increased every five years.

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So at least that gives a five year bandwidth.

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Where, but then it would've to

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increase more if Mr.

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Market's got a hand in it.

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If Mr.

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Market does have a hand.

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But right now we're seeing such, I think our property values needs to correct

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it's fake news.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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'cause it's actually the property values aren't as high as they've been assessed.

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So maybe.

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And so people are trying to get the rent that they can use to cover all those things.

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So we stabilize

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it for the next five years.

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At least give some.

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And so I'm

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wary of the hand of government, I just gotta say, but we have to move on'cause we have to do these shows pretty quickly.

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And I completely understand that.

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And I, I guess my question is, I have ideas, but

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I need to, let's explore with people exactly.

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Alright, we can do that.

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Cool.

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Next nug.

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Oh, sorry, Ava, I should have called for the next sauce.

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This is actually a rub.

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Oh,

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so this is, this was

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Buffalo hot wing rub from a old town py shop.

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Yeah.

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This was Shirley's favorite

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Oh.

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Actually from the last episode.

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Very nice.

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So, um, yeah, I, I'm excited to, like, I actually prefer dry rub wings than over, over sauced wings and I could see rubbing some wings down with some olive oil and then rub this stuff in real nice and just hit it in the air fryer.

00:22:40.003 --> 00:22:40.304
Mm.

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For me, um, because I do like the dry rubs a little bit more.

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Yeah.

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What do you think?

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It's actually a really nice flavor.

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They're getting good backend feet heat on the backend of the throat.

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A good initial

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tongue feel as well.

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Tastes very like authentic buffalo to me.

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It's like Frank's.

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Mm-hmm.

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It kind of tastes like Frank's.

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Very, very delicious.

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I've been, actually, Sean has a, uh, coyote Pass, which is a, uh, pretty spicy, uh, rub.

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And I've been doing dry rubs with wings with that.

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Okay.

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I'm, its spicier than that.

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That has a good flavor and it continues to build, so it's still building.

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Um, and I think it's a, because it's a powder, right?

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It's kind of sticking around the, the top.

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Yeah.

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That powder would really like stick on some stuff too.

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Um, so whatever you wanna make kind of Buffalo e it would be good.

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That'd be, I think Grant good in, uh, ground chalk to do burgers.

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Mm.

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To do like a pepper jack.

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Oh yeah.

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With like a, that'd be fun.

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Nice.

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Uh, like buffalo burger or touch touch.

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I like it.

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YouTube.

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Yeah.

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Put a, a little blue cheese on there.

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Yeah.

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Pepper jack.

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Blue cheese.

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I like

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it.

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Uh, this is, uh, this question's from Mayor Emeritus when I say that.

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What, what do you think?

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I mean,

00:24:00.419 --> 00:24:05.038
uh, well, so Mayor Emeritus is a previous, uh, uh, uh, one of our previous mayors.

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The Mayor Emeritus Mayor.

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Mayor.

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The Mayor.

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So that's the pre the mayor previous to Jenny Arn, which would be Mayor Troxel.

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Yes.

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That's what I call

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him.

00:24:13.558 --> 00:24:13.858
Anyway.

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I just call him Wade.

00:24:16.919 --> 00:24:26.398
Well, too, um, his question you've already heard,'cause it came from a thing, but he wanted to repeat it in this Live Forever digital forum.

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Perfect.

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Fort Collins has been described as the Choice City of Colorado and is known for beers, bikes, and bands.

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Yes.

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And more.

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What's your vision for the evolving brand of Fort Collins?

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Uh, in 30 years from now, what could or should Fort Collins be known for?

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So

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I still see us being known as the beer, um, bands and bikes.

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Um, our platinum rated status as being a biking community isn't going away.

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Right.

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Uh, we're, we got, we got a flat town with lots of trails.

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We have invested a ton in it.00:25:00.199 --> 00:25:03.199


It's people and it brings people here and it's amazing.00:25:03.318 --> 00:25:08.479


Um, and so, and beer will probably go through a cycle change again.00:25:08.568 --> 00:25:15.439


Um, so, uh, maybe we'll be a cider and beer or maybe a a I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back.00:25:15.469 --> 00:25:15.828


Yeah.00:25:16.038 --> 00:25:20.358


Because like seltzers took over the world and now it's still but boring.00:25:20.358 --> 00:25:23.058


Like it's about as exciting as seltzer waters, right?00:25:23.088 --> 00:25:23.388


A hundred00:25:23.388 --> 00:25:23.628


percent.00:25:24.528 --> 00:25:30.019


And I think we hit when we hit like 30 breweries, uh, right turn of, um, last decade.00:25:30.094 --> 00:25:31.909


I, I think 30 was maybe too many.00:25:31.909 --> 00:25:33.588


I think hovering around that 25.00:25:33.648 --> 00:25:33.949


Sure.00:25:34.249 --> 00:25:34.459


Yeah.00:25:34.489 --> 00:25:35.269


25 is fine.00:25:35.269 --> 00:25:36.078


30 is too much.00:25:36.134 --> 00:25:36.253


Okay.00:25:36.433 --> 00:25:49.078


Uh, but, uh, so I, I still see us being there and with, and with, um, the support and the kind of the, uh, increase of, uh, music awareness from um, um, pat Stryker and Sure.00:25:49.078 --> 00:25:50.239


The Wash Washingtons00:25:50.269 --> 00:25:51.558


Bohemians and Washington Bo found.00:25:52.499 --> 00:25:53.548


I don't think that's going away.00:25:53.548 --> 00:25:54.179


Unlikely00:25:54.239 --> 00:25:55.318


music won't be a big part.00:25:55.318 --> 00:25:55.409


No.00:25:55.409 --> 00:25:55.648


Okay.00:25:55.648 --> 00:25:57.028


So what B should we add?00:25:57.028 --> 00:25:58.769


Is there a b we can add to that?00:25:58.858 --> 00:26:00.028


So business,00:26:00.203 --> 00:26:00.443


I think,00:26:00.544 --> 00:26:03.328


oh, I think to really, it'd be nice to re add that.00:26:03.358 --> 00:26:11.729


'cause the business community is kind of like, I started local think tank when kind of the number of like startups and excitement and stuff was almost at its peak.00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.118


Yeah.00:26:12.358 --> 00:26:13.048


And it's waned.00:26:13.439 --> 00:26:14.068


It's waned.00:26:14.068 --> 00:26:17.999


And I think we have a lot of ability to bring in more businesses.00:26:18.028 --> 00:26:18.328


Okay.00:26:18.419 --> 00:26:20.878


Um, both local and, uh, homegrown.00:26:20.878 --> 00:26:27.479


But also, uh, and I talked about this last week is, uh, we need to become an innovation hub for clean energy.00:26:27.838 --> 00:26:30.838


Uh, especially we have this brown cloud say over Fort Collins.00:26:30.898 --> 00:26:31.078


Sure.00:26:31.078 --> 00:26:32.038


Because of the inversion.00:26:32.038 --> 00:26:34.048


Like, we sit on a bowl and everything goes over us.00:26:34.199 --> 00:26:34.288


Yep.00:26:34.469 --> 00:26:39.388


So let's attract a whole lot of innovative companies to test out air scrubber, to test out ways to clean.00:26:39.749 --> 00:26:39.838


Um.00:26:40.753 --> 00:26:41.354


The air.00:26:41.534 --> 00:26:41.804


Okay.00:26:41.894 --> 00:26:46.304


We, we already try to be a, a green carbon neutral city.00:26:46.308 --> 00:26:46.479


Yeah.00:26:46.483 --> 00:26:46.604


Yeah.00:26:46.784 --> 00:26:50.834


So let's, and we have a lot of space, not just locally, within Fort Collins.00:26:50.834 --> 00:26:53.864


We're kind of landlocked space wise, but we have a lot of prairies.00:26:53.864 --> 00:26:59.023


We have a lot of, um, surrounding areas that we could really use to really develop new technology.00:26:59.084 --> 00:26:59.294


Hmm.00:26:59.564 --> 00:27:10.693


And so we went through that computer tech bubble in the two thousands, I think, not to do a bubble, but I think we should go back to attracting some clean energy.00:27:11.173 --> 00:27:11.263


Mm-hmm.00:27:11.265 --> 00:27:11.653


Some clean tech.00:27:11.653 --> 00:27:12.943


And so in 20 years, I mean,00:27:12.943 --> 00:27:13.903


energy is money.00:27:14.084 --> 00:27:15.854


It is in, in my view, like there like.00:27:17.278 --> 00:27:22.618


Oil or electricity of any sort is more like money than money's like money because you can't just print it.00:27:22.709 --> 00:27:23.848


You gotta get it from somewhere.00:27:23.909 --> 00:27:25.828


I think whoever invents or conserv00:27:25.828 --> 00:27:27.358


it right, conserv00:27:27.388 --> 00:27:27.689


it.00:27:27.689 --> 00:27:31.048


Whoever invents the mass energy storage capacity.00:27:31.638 --> 00:27:37.548


So like, um, the solid state batteries, but for mega tons of megawatts.00:27:37.554 --> 00:27:37.794


Yeah.00:27:37.798 --> 00:27:37.999


Yeah.00:27:38.088 --> 00:27:39.348


Will be the next Rockefeller.00:27:39.439 --> 00:27:40.693


They'll be the next or the next.00:27:40.693 --> 00:27:40.729


Yeah.00:27:40.729 --> 00:27:41.058


I would00:27:41.058 --> 00:27:42.979


say that's if they can protect it.00:27:43.219 --> 00:27:44.028


If they can protect it.00:27:44.028 --> 00:27:44.239


Right.00:27:44.509 --> 00:27:55.159


And so if we can attract those businesses here and we will create jobs or create, and a lot of these tech businesses are all about providing housing for their employees.00:27:55.338 --> 00:28:02.419


So then we can actually do public partner, private, uh, uh, partnerships to build employee semis, onsite00:28:02.419 --> 00:28:03.378


housing or semi kinds of things.00:28:03.378 --> 00:28:04.153


Site housing,00:28:04.429 --> 00:28:07.669


um, employee, employer subsidized housing is what it's been.00:28:07.669 --> 00:28:08.058


Sure.00:28:08.058 --> 00:28:08.479


I've heard.00:28:09.019 --> 00:28:09.318


Interesting.00:28:09.318 --> 00:28:11.929


S Park has done this a little bit with some of their communities.00:28:12.048 --> 00:28:12.318


Interesting.00:28:12.318 --> 00:28:16.098


So other communities have done this and it's been successful'cause it adds housing.00:28:16.459 --> 00:28:18.348


Um, and it adds jobs and it adds.00:28:18.348 --> 00:28:25.308


So I think, um, it's not b but I think like, uh, we really need to become an A innovative, better energy.00:28:25.368 --> 00:28:25.548


Yeah.00:28:25.548 --> 00:28:26.598


Better energy test.00:28:26.598 --> 00:28:26.913


That's the b.00:28:27.584 --> 00:28:28.364


For you better energy.00:28:28.844 --> 00:28:29.354


So my,00:28:29.354 --> 00:28:34.723


uh, actually my, my very first invention in my brain, it hasn't happened yet.00:28:34.753 --> 00:28:34.784


Okay.00:28:34.784 --> 00:28:39.854


But it was a, it was actually a solid state, uh, electrical storage thing.00:28:40.124 --> 00:28:40.544


Nice.00:28:40.874 --> 00:28:46.574


Um, what I wanted to build was, you know, basically the, you know, the old tops, we would spin it Yeah.00:28:46.574 --> 00:28:47.294


And go forever.00:28:47.294 --> 00:28:52.304


And especially the ones with the, with the wide disk perpetual motion, like, like the wide disk and then the pointy thing.00:28:52.304 --> 00:28:54.223


And it would just go a long time.00:28:54.223 --> 00:28:54.493


Right.00:28:54.884 --> 00:28:54.943


Yeah.00:28:55.153 --> 00:28:59.923


I wanted to do that, but have it be like a mile wide and heavy as shit.00:29:00.463 --> 00:29:05.294


And then put a big antenna up and every time a thunderstorm goes across North Dakota and there's lightning.00:29:05.818 --> 00:29:11.009


That lightning goes into the antenna and the antenna like makes the disc spin a little faster00:29:11.608 --> 00:29:12.703


and provides that turbine.00:29:12.703 --> 00:29:12.864


Yeah.00:29:12.864 --> 00:29:13.648


And it sits turbine00:29:13.653 --> 00:29:18.808


it, it sits on a, and it sits on like a superconductor elevated magnetic thing.00:29:18.808 --> 00:29:20.398


So there's almost no friction loss.00:29:20.403 --> 00:29:20.584


And00:29:20.584 --> 00:29:21.088


then it, and00:29:21.088 --> 00:29:24.898


it just gets going faster and faster every time lightning strikes, it just goes faster and faster.00:29:24.898 --> 00:29:37.378


And then you just draw it down And um, as you go, and aside from the fact that if it came off of its spinner, it would like wreck dozens of counties.00:29:37.499 --> 00:29:38.128


That's true.00:29:38.134 --> 00:29:39.344


If you put it something, I think00:29:39.344 --> 00:29:41.969


if you position in the right spot in North Dakota Right.00:29:41.969 --> 00:29:42.929


It would probably be fine.00:29:42.929 --> 00:29:43.584


Even, it would be fine.00:29:43.769 --> 00:29:46.499


It would wreck dozens of individuals homes.00:29:47.308 --> 00:29:47.638


Right.00:29:48.118 --> 00:29:50.398


If it went for like a hundred mile tour across the state.00:29:50.429 --> 00:29:50.638


Yeah.00:29:50.878 --> 00:29:52.858


But anyway, that was the, like the major failing.00:29:52.858 --> 00:29:56.969


But I think that Kinetic, are you familiar with kinetic core in Loveland?00:29:56.969 --> 00:29:57.028


Yeah.00:29:57.749 --> 00:29:59.578


Like that kind of actually storing things.00:29:59.578 --> 00:30:02.999


Kinetically in the world we have now might actually be.00:30:03.868 --> 00:30:08.608


Useful because we can capture solar and actually use it when you need it.00:30:08.638 --> 00:30:09.028


Correct.00:30:09.028 --> 00:30:09.088


Yeah.00:30:09.088 --> 00:30:09.419


Because that's00:30:09.419 --> 00:30:10.348


the big thing, right?00:30:10.378 --> 00:30:10.888


Exactly.00:30:10.888 --> 00:30:14.308


That's the, that's why like raw high power plant needs to still exist.00:30:14.308 --> 00:30:15.328


Not coal power one.00:30:15.328 --> 00:30:16.288


We're closing that down, right?00:30:16.288 --> 00:30:16.469


Right.00:30:16.469 --> 00:30:17.098


For three years.00:30:17.489 --> 00:30:23.338


But the solar and the wind's good unless it's, uh, cold nine in the middle of December.00:30:23.338 --> 00:30:23.519


Right.00:30:23.878 --> 00:30:25.409


And there's no wind and there's no solar.00:30:25.409 --> 00:30:26.608


But you need that base load power.00:30:26.608 --> 00:30:27.269


You need a ton.00:30:27.568 --> 00:30:33.959


So, and this was years ago, Woodward Governor did like a study, um, that if the power goes down and they like.00:30:34.239 --> 00:30:37.814


They have a hiccup in their supply chain, like their manufacturing chain.00:30:37.844 --> 00:30:38.084


Yeah.00:30:38.354 --> 00:30:40.273


Just like a co, like a second or two.00:30:40.663 --> 00:30:44.203


It will put all their parts off by like a 10th of a degree till it resets.00:30:44.233 --> 00:30:44.683


Oh shit.00:30:44.683 --> 00:30:46.483


And that could cost'em like$20 million,00:30:46.723 --> 00:30:47.023


right?00:30:47.054 --> 00:30:47.324


Yeah.00:30:47.328 --> 00:30:48.009


It's something Yeah.00:30:48.013 --> 00:30:48.074


It's00:30:48.074 --> 00:30:49.423


important that the power doesn't go down.00:30:49.483 --> 00:30:49.903


Correct.00:30:50.324 --> 00:30:54.134


Um, I mean it's why you can't have any advanced industries in South Africa right now.00:30:54.163 --> 00:30:54.554


Correct.00:30:54.703 --> 00:30:56.713


Their power isn't developed enough.00:30:56.713 --> 00:30:58.423


You could never make a cinema conductor there.00:30:58.453 --> 00:31:04.003


And so we have pretty clean and pretty, uh, and we're already, I think close to 80% renewable power.00:31:04.213 --> 00:31:04.874


Oh really?00:31:04.874 --> 00:31:05.114


Yeah.00:31:05.114 --> 00:31:05.894


We're really close.00:31:05.894 --> 00:31:07.844


I think 76 or 78%.00:31:08.473 --> 00:31:09.913


Uh, and interesting.00:31:10.094 --> 00:31:10.604


But,00:31:11.203 --> 00:31:21.673


but actual, proper storage is really where you need to be because, because even though you're up to 75, 70 6% clean power, they're paying a double ass butt load.00:31:21.703 --> 00:31:22.993


No, forgive my language.00:31:23.023 --> 00:31:23.173


Yeah.00:31:23.354 --> 00:31:28.874


To have the insurance of having a ton of coal and or uh, uh, natural gas.00:31:28.874 --> 00:31:28.933


Yeah.00:31:29.384 --> 00:31:29.808


Ready to go.00:31:30.584 --> 00:31:30.973


Correct.00:31:30.973 --> 00:31:34.034


Even though they don't burn it, they try not to burn it, try hard not to burn it.00:31:34.243 --> 00:31:36.763


But they gotta pay a ton to have it ready to go.00:31:36.824 --> 00:31:37.364


A hundred percent.00:31:37.364 --> 00:31:43.634


And that's why they're going with the new, um, uh, turbines that as a planning commissioner for county.00:31:43.693 --> 00:31:44.528


They can wrap up really quick.00:31:44.534 --> 00:31:44.894


I approved.00:31:45.074 --> 00:31:46.304


Yeah, they can wrap up in minutes.00:31:46.513 --> 00:31:49.213


And so if the load increases, turn'em on.00:31:49.453 --> 00:31:52.003


If they're not, if can have power failures.00:31:52.364 --> 00:31:52.634


Correct.00:31:53.144 --> 00:31:53.354


Yep.00:31:53.413 --> 00:31:54.284


Gotta have power.00:31:54.433 --> 00:31:54.673


Cool.00:31:54.703 --> 00:31:55.364


Um, so yeah,00:31:55.483 --> 00:31:55.753


I'm all00:31:55.753 --> 00:31:55.903


in.00:31:55.963 --> 00:31:59.324


All right, next, uh, next flavor please.00:31:59.354 --> 00:32:00.493


Good anticipation.00:32:00.493 --> 00:32:02.473


Ava, you like we're running behind?00:32:02.473 --> 00:32:03.794


You gotta speed it up a little bit.00:32:04.394 --> 00:32:05.084


Oh yeah.00:32:05.084 --> 00:32:07.753


You can shut me off whenever I, I'll talk forever.00:32:07.784 --> 00:32:08.263


I know you will.00:32:09.193 --> 00:32:09.213


That's okay.00:32:09.213 --> 00:32:10.003


That's part of my job.00:32:10.094 --> 00:32:11.413


Uh, so this ones then we're gonna take00:32:11.413 --> 00:32:12.703


a break after this one, by the way.00:32:12.763 --> 00:32:13.124


Oh, sweet.00:32:13.124 --> 00:32:14.923


We do a mid, mid, mid round break.00:32:15.028 --> 00:32:16.808


Uh, this is, uh, I get some milk for the back part.00:32:16.969 --> 00:32:18.523


This brew house sauces.00:32:18.523 --> 00:32:21.523


It's by Old Town Spice Shop and it's Rebel Uprising.00:32:21.523 --> 00:32:25.003


So it's an, uh, a Salvador heat spark with, uh, this one.00:32:25.183 --> 00:32:25.784


I love it.00:32:25.814 --> 00:32:26.354


Chicken chilies.00:32:26.594 --> 00:32:27.888


I already can tell you I love it.00:32:27.888 --> 00:32:28.003


I love it.00:32:28.094 --> 00:32:29.413


I could, I could drink it.00:32:30.328 --> 00:32:37.108


Um, I can't because I'm going to have a tough night just the way it is with what's ahead of us.00:32:37.108 --> 00:32:41.128


But I love this sauce even without trying it.00:32:41.338 --> 00:32:41.669


There you go.00:32:43.348 --> 00:32:43.618


Hmm.00:32:48.749 --> 00:32:52.108


It makes me want to sign up for the, for the South.00:32:55.078 --> 00:32:55.259


Okay.00:32:57.898 --> 00:33:00.929


You know, I, it actually carries a little bit of a early sweet note.00:33:01.679 --> 00:33:01.888


Hmm.00:33:02.278 --> 00:33:02.699


Yeah, it does.00:33:05.429 --> 00:33:10.769


And I think that's part of what I love about it, is it, like, it introduces itself so nicely.00:33:10.769 --> 00:33:12.179


It's, it's not hot.00:33:12.328 --> 00:33:12.628


Mm-hmm.00:33:13.528 --> 00:33:19.588


But it's like, you can probably, I'm, I'm starting to beat up just a little bit.00:33:19.588 --> 00:33:20.098


It's hot.00:33:20.189 --> 00:33:20.759


It is hot.00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.919


Like it's a good, there's a good tongue feel.00:33:23.653 --> 00:33:26.564


Yeah, you get all the way through the tongue and then the back of the throat.00:33:27.044 --> 00:33:31.544


Um, probably I, I'm hearing my voice change, um, as I'm eating it.00:33:32.144 --> 00:33:32.503


Um,00:33:32.534 --> 00:33:40.124


you know when you get, when you used to get, yeah, it never happens anymore, but occasionally back maybe five or eight years ago, you Yeah.00:33:40.124 --> 00:33:40.753


More than five.00:33:40.784 --> 00:33:41.953


'cause that was COVID Nation.00:33:42.013 --> 00:33:42.403


Yeah.00:33:42.463 --> 00:33:45.733


But you used to get hot wings when they're just like drenched in sauce.00:33:45.733 --> 00:33:55.483


You go to Buffalo Wild Wings or something, and they're just like covered with sauce When they come out to you and whatever that sauce on those wings, you'd be like, oh, thank you for.00:33:56.249 --> 00:33:57.868


Blessing me with that extra,00:33:57.989 --> 00:34:00.419


a nice extra crispy wing.00:34:00.419 --> 00:34:00.689


Totally.00:34:01.169 --> 00:34:03.328


With that, which is, that would be a perfect00:34:03.358 --> 00:34:03.628


Yep.00:34:03.778 --> 00:34:04.019


Yeah.00:34:04.078 --> 00:34:05.638


Wing and not Buffalo Wild Wings.00:34:05.638 --> 00:34:09.568


'cause we're talking local maybe, uh, locals or gyms or Memphis.00:34:09.568 --> 00:34:10.318


Or Memphis.00:34:10.409 --> 00:34:10.949


Who knows?00:34:11.009 --> 00:34:11.159


Yeah.00:34:11.188 --> 00:34:11.429


Uh,00:34:11.458 --> 00:34:15.358


Moses, uh, what's the one on Lame Wingstop?00:34:16.378 --> 00:34:17.849


Um, wing Shack?00:34:17.849 --> 00:34:17.884


No, not Wingstop.00:34:17.889 --> 00:34:18.478


Wing Shack.00:34:18.478 --> 00:34:18.719


Yeah.00:34:18.748 --> 00:34:25.259


That's like, I think they might have passed Jim's wing as kind of my preferred wing joint.00:34:25.528 --> 00:34:33.389


I think they, we uh, we just had a debate, a couple of friends where we're gonna probably have both of'em'cause we're looking at which had the better Dining and Special.00:34:33.449 --> 00:34:33.568


Mm-hmm.00:34:33.809 --> 00:34:35.128


They're both within a penny.00:34:35.188 --> 00:34:35.579


Yeah.00:34:35.818 --> 00:34:42.119


Um, and the hot garlic, uh, hot sauce from Wing Check and is not local Fort Collins, but local Greeley starting in Greeley Close enough.00:34:42.148 --> 00:34:42.628


Um, it00:34:42.628 --> 00:34:44.998


is Northern Colorado is close enough to local for me.00:34:45.028 --> 00:34:47.009


Will I give Greeley something sooner or later?00:34:48.148 --> 00:34:48.748


They've got a lot.00:34:48.748 --> 00:34:49.018


They've been00:34:49.528 --> 00:34:53.219


taking all of the businesses that are economic development office.00:34:53.628 --> 00:34:54.438


Greeley attracts00:34:54.438 --> 00:34:55.398


to the northern Colorado.00:34:55.458 --> 00:34:58.878


Greeley's now a very, um, big competitor.00:34:58.909 --> 00:34:58.969


Yeah.00:34:59.059 --> 00:35:00.228


Um, in the regional stage.00:35:00.228 --> 00:35:00.409


Totally.00:35:00.409 --> 00:35:03.648


20 years ago, as you know, like you talk to most people like Greeley.00:35:03.708 --> 00:35:04.728


No, that's so far away.00:35:04.728 --> 00:35:05.869


We'll never go there.00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:08.628


Now Greeley is a, is a, Martin is going to Greeley.00:35:08.898 --> 00:35:09.559


Martin's going, Greeley.00:35:10.068 --> 00:35:11.628


Martin might be going to Greeley.00:35:11.628 --> 00:35:12.079


We'll see.00:35:12.289 --> 00:35:13.969


We'll see what the voters, uh, decide.00:35:13.969 --> 00:35:14.028


Yeah.00:35:14.028 --> 00:35:14.989


We better not get into that00:35:14.989 --> 00:35:16.009


because that's squirrel.00:35:16.009 --> 00:35:17.239


Chase will be too long.00:35:17.298 --> 00:35:17.539


Yeah.00:35:17.539 --> 00:35:20.778


We'll be talking in a couple hours and someone will get a cease and desist letter.00:35:22.369 --> 00:35:23.119


Question number four.00:35:23.628 --> 00:35:24.949


Uh, this is from our other.00:35:25.889 --> 00:35:28.438


Friend Sean Godby from Old Town Spice Shop.00:35:28.438 --> 00:35:28.858


Yes.00:35:29.548 --> 00:35:36.028


The proposal for paid on street parking in Fort Collins aims to address revenue and parking turnover.00:35:36.898 --> 00:35:45.898


How do you plan to balance the city's need for revenue and parking management with concerns of business owners and customers regarding accessibility and affordability?00:35:46.409 --> 00:35:47.309


So I,00:35:47.369 --> 00:35:50.338


uh, I served on the parking advisory board Okay.00:35:50.338 --> 00:35:51.208


When the city had one.00:35:51.208 --> 00:35:52.798


So I served on that for five years.00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:59.429


Uh, and we were talking about trying to do a paid parking pilot program, maybe on Pine.00:36:00.088 --> 00:36:00.119


Okay.00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.739


Um, and we were also talking about moving the hours from 10, from eight to four to 10 to six.00:36:04.858 --> 00:36:05.159


Okay.00:36:06.028 --> 00:36:08.248


Both were talking about those well over a decade ago.00:36:08.309 --> 00:36:08.699


Right.00:36:08.789 --> 00:36:17.518


And they couldn't even get the money, um, uh, the$80,000 to replace all the signs to go from a eight to four to 10 to six.00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:18.148


Oh, interesting.00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.539


And'cause, well in pines, like the sneaky spot where you can get parking.00:36:21.889 --> 00:36:22.759


Get parking and that.00:36:22.759 --> 00:36:22.849


Like,00:36:22.849 --> 00:36:23.809


why do I pay for it there?00:36:23.809 --> 00:36:25.159


Yeah, I'll just go to the parking garage.00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:25.369


Sorry.00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:25.639


So,00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:26.148


no, no.00:36:26.389 --> 00:36:31.789


But we were looking at different pilot areas to do that and we couldn't figure out how to actually implement it back then.00:36:31.818 --> 00:36:34.128


And that's when we didn't have a pandemic that we went through.00:36:34.548 --> 00:36:37.608


That's when we weren't, we weren't already in a budget shortfall.00:36:37.728 --> 00:36:37.938


Right.00:36:37.938 --> 00:36:41.989


And that's not, um, before the old town businesses are gonna be struggling with a year long.00:36:41.989 --> 00:36:48.318


All these property taxes, property taxes, rent, s increases, and, and college will be part of insurance increases shutdown for a year.00:36:48.318 --> 00:36:51.139


And so I, and college will be shut down for a year.00:36:51.739 --> 00:36:52.458


Parts it, oh, if they were00:36:52.458 --> 00:36:54.199


gonna try to charge for it there or00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:56.298


no, they're having to replace, uh.00:36:56.358 --> 00:36:58.878


Water main or uh, high down college.00:36:58.878 --> 00:36:59.838


When is that happening?00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:01.639


I think sometime in the next year.00:37:01.759 --> 00:37:02.298


Oh wow.00:37:02.329 --> 00:37:04.039


Um, through maybe 20, 26.00:37:04.068 --> 00:37:04.309


Oh dang.00:37:04.309 --> 00:37:07.403


But it's gonna be, there's gonna be, um, disruption for like a year.00:37:07.403 --> 00:37:07.603


Yeah.00:37:07.608 --> 00:37:07.619


So00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:08.778


they'll divert a bunch of traffic up.00:37:08.778 --> 00:37:10.639


Mason, I guess around Mason will go00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.289


one lane on both sides.00:37:12.349 --> 00:37:12.498


Yeah.00:37:12.498 --> 00:37:15.048


It's really hard'cause it's a state road, right?00:37:15.048 --> 00:37:15.498


Or state highway.00:37:15.498 --> 00:37:16.188


Gotta keep it open.00:37:16.248 --> 00:37:20.628


And then a city, so you have cdot, you got the city, you got the county.00:37:20.628 --> 00:37:21.318


It's a mess.00:37:21.768 --> 00:37:22.699


Um, interesting.00:37:23.208 --> 00:37:30.018


And so, and Darren Berry, when I was on the parking advisory board, he's like, the reason I've been city manager for so long is'cause I never touch parking.00:37:31.369 --> 00:37:34.849


And because no matter what you do, you're gonna piss off everyone.00:37:35.748 --> 00:37:37.338


And I somewhat agree with that.00:37:37.369 --> 00:37:42.199


Now, if we were looking at doing this because of, um, we're, so what's the problem right now?00:37:42.829 --> 00:37:47.449


Problem is, is parking and the tar and the, the whole code enforcement department Yeah.00:37:47.449 --> 00:37:47.458


Yeah.00:37:47.659 --> 00:37:48.829


Is, um, what's this called?00:37:48.829 --> 00:37:50.804


An enterprise fund, meaning they.00:37:51.838 --> 00:37:56.789


Only can use the fund they collect to pay for the services, for the parking services.00:37:57.389 --> 00:37:59.458


And so if they're not collecting enough fund and they, oh, they00:37:59.458 --> 00:38:02.938


don't collect enough parking tickets to even pay for their services.00:38:02.938 --> 00:38:07.498


And so they've been backfilling it with the general fund because we're in a, a rev, uh, budget00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:08.668


deficit.00:38:08.668 --> 00:38:18.059


Well, and they shouldn't if they no, if they can't send people out looking for parking tickets to make enough money to pay their own job, they shouldn't enforce it then.00:38:18.088 --> 00:38:20.938


And we were looking at that turnover timeframe because get some00:38:20.938 --> 00:38:21.929


drones or something.00:38:21.929 --> 00:38:22.528


I don't know.00:38:22.858 --> 00:38:30.179


We were looking, uh, I was part of the, it always annoys me when I, I see those parking people coming around and putting a little chalk thing'cause it's just so annoying.00:38:30.268 --> 00:38:30.599


Yeah.00:38:30.838 --> 00:38:31.378


Well00:38:31.378 --> 00:38:35.369


and so we were looking at doing, um, and we, the company just lied to the city.00:38:35.369 --> 00:38:36.449


So the city won a lawsuit.00:38:36.478 --> 00:38:39.478


I think this last year when I was on the park advisory board.00:38:39.509 --> 00:38:43.978


Um, we had a company come in and put these little sensors, pucks in each things.00:38:44.489 --> 00:38:50.219


And the idea was, if you're like driving down there with ways or Google Maps, it would tell you which parking spot that was open.00:38:50.548 --> 00:38:52.199


And it would update life every two minutes.00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:56.099


So like as you're driving down the old town, it'd be like, here's a parking, parking park.00:38:56.128 --> 00:38:56.219


Oh, so00:38:56.219 --> 00:38:58.074


you can have extra special information and get it.00:38:58.074 --> 00:38:58.273


Yeah.00:38:58.708 --> 00:39:00.389


And then it would also, but the parking00:39:00.389 --> 00:39:01.469


garages are never full.00:39:01.498 --> 00:39:02.009


Correct.00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:11.099


And that's why the, I encourage and I, I support moving from that eight to four to the 10 to six, that two hour parking window.00:39:11.338 --> 00:39:11.728


Okay.00:39:11.818 --> 00:39:14.668


Because the, as you know, in Old Town, yep.00:39:15.148 --> 00:39:17.278


8, 9, 10 o'clock most mornings.00:39:17.309 --> 00:39:17.369


Yeah.00:39:17.369 --> 00:39:19.168


Even seven Sundays, you, you can find parking anywhere.00:39:19.168 --> 00:39:19.409


Yeah,00:39:19.648 --> 00:39:20.068


totally.00:39:20.188 --> 00:39:23.188


Um, but the employees get there.00:39:23.188 --> 00:39:24.568


A lot of employees get there at four.00:39:24.574 --> 00:39:24.634


Right.00:39:24.634 --> 00:39:27.898


And park in front of the, um, restaurant or business.00:39:27.989 --> 00:39:28.108


Right.00:39:28.108 --> 00:39:30.268


And then they don't move the car for the rest of the night.00:39:30.358 --> 00:39:30.659


Yep.00:39:30.778 --> 00:39:38.699


We moved it till 6:00 PM and force it till 6:00 PM then it would force those employees to park in the parking garage.00:39:38.759 --> 00:39:39.179


Right.00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:40.918


And that would open up that turnover.00:39:41.398 --> 00:39:43.079


And even if you have a low.00:39:43.603 --> 00:39:46.784


Price on the parking garage, at least it's revenue for all those open spaces.00:39:46.784 --> 00:39:47.173


Correct.00:39:47.173 --> 00:39:47.893


It's revenue.00:39:47.893 --> 00:39:52.253


And then, um, work with the, the business owners, and I think they already do this.00:39:52.418 --> 00:39:52.719


I think it's like even00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.273


discounted passes for employees and stuff like that.00:39:55.273 --> 00:39:55.333


Yeah.00:39:55.333 --> 00:39:56.458


It's like 20, I think right now it's 20 bucks month.00:39:56.458 --> 00:39:56.469


Yeah.00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:57.014


That would be the best.00:39:57.014 --> 00:40:12.463


Like one of the things that a, I had an old boss, uh, in banking that was kind of a jerk, but he told me one good thing at least, maybe a few, which was never take up your customer's valuable parking space.00:40:12.494 --> 00:40:12.673


No.00:40:12.733 --> 00:40:14.264


When you're going to go visit them.00:40:14.893 --> 00:40:16.543


And the same thing for your employees.00:40:16.574 --> 00:40:16.724


Yeah.00:40:17.173 --> 00:40:23.534


Like if you're an old town employee listening to this and you try to park on the street, you should probably not do that.00:40:23.534 --> 00:40:23.594


No.00:40:23.684 --> 00:40:29.534


Let that come for the people who are paying and go park in the parking garage and figure it out with your boss, how to keep that space open for.00:40:29.579 --> 00:40:29.728


Retail,00:40:30.298 --> 00:40:31.798


the parking garages are retail customers.00:40:31.798 --> 00:40:33.329


All, all well lit.00:40:33.389 --> 00:40:40.228


And I would also, so part of it, I would do, uh, I would, so instead of doing paid parking, I would try the 10, 10 to six thing.00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:40.528


Yep.00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.679


To update that whole, um, signage.00:40:43.708 --> 00:40:45.239


It's about 75, 80,000.00:40:45.268 --> 00:40:47.909


It's not cheap, but it's a lot cheaper than implementing paid parking.00:40:47.909 --> 00:40:48.088


Sure.00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:52.259


And look at that for two or three years if we're not seeing what the.00:40:52.858 --> 00:40:55.168


Um, what do you need to do and, and antenna goal?00:40:55.588 --> 00:40:57.119


Then we can then the, the real problem right00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.869


now is they don't make enough money enforcing parking to pay for parking.00:41:01.048 --> 00:41:01.858


No enforcement.00:41:02.369 --> 00:41:04.079


Um, and it's just, it's,00:41:04.289 --> 00:41:06.659


sorry, I, I'm just, I don't wanna dwell there.00:41:06.748 --> 00:41:08.878


It's, it's so hard and I, I agree.00:41:08.878 --> 00:41:13.619


Like, and I, I'm French with, um, the, the parking manager and, and the, the code enforce manager.00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:13.708


Sure.00:41:13.708 --> 00:41:18.059


Like they're great, but a lot of it, they didn't want to have people work that 10 to six.00:41:18.088 --> 00:41:23.579


They wanted them eight to four'cause they didn't wanna put tension again into overtime or have someone not sure be at a worth all six.00:41:24.148 --> 00:41:26.518


But if you're any a job you have about all factors though.00:41:26.518 --> 00:41:27.059


Yeah.00:41:27.389 --> 00:41:29.068


You just get used to working that 10 to six.00:41:29.068 --> 00:41:29.159


Sure.00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:36.568


Or you hire people knowing perfectly well, hey, this is a parking enforcement officer, the hours are 9 45 to six 15.00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:39.599


Well, and they probably could have different hours for different people.00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:39.869


Correct.00:41:39.869 --> 00:41:39.963


Or Correct.00:41:39.963 --> 00:41:40.083


Yeah.00:41:40.088 --> 00:41:40.139


Or00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:41.369


part-time or whatnot.00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:41.489


Right.00:41:41.489 --> 00:41:41.938


Totally.00:41:42.268 --> 00:41:45.838


And so I think we should go that route, see what we can do.00:41:46.798 --> 00:41:48.659


I think we'd increase the generation of funds.00:41:48.929 --> 00:41:50.793


'cause it would push more people to the parking garages.00:41:50.793 --> 00:41:50.994


Right,00:41:50.994 --> 00:41:51.389


right, right.00:41:51.478 --> 00:41:54.028


Um, because they're, what they're, are they more than half full?00:41:54.358 --> 00:41:54.628


No.00:41:54.958 --> 00:41:56.309


The, the parking garages are Right.00:41:56.369 --> 00:41:57.478


And there's like two days a year.00:41:57.478 --> 00:41:57.958


That would be my00:41:57.958 --> 00:42:00.869


opinion is we totally should not charge for on street parking.00:42:00.898 --> 00:42:01.139


Yeah.00:42:01.588 --> 00:42:03.688


Unless the parking garages are actually full.00:42:03.778 --> 00:42:03.989


Yeah.00:42:04.228 --> 00:42:04.708


Correct.00:42:05.278 --> 00:42:09.088


Uh, and there is a mechanism or close to full, there is a mechanism.00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:09.389


And then we00:42:09.389 --> 00:42:10.349


should build more parking garages.00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:10.739


Correct.00:42:11.579 --> 00:42:16.438


Like the one, um, behind the Tony's where it's gonna be that half, um, affordable housing.00:42:16.438 --> 00:42:16.528


Mm-hmm.00:42:16.768 --> 00:42:21.298


Like 28 units and then uh, two and a half or three story parking garage.00:42:21.358 --> 00:42:21.568


Right.00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.458


Um, that would've been more parking than currently there and provide housing.00:42:26.668 --> 00:42:26.849


Right.00:42:26.849 --> 00:42:30.659


But the city and all the wisdom said, let's do another study for a year.00:42:30.688 --> 00:42:33.898


Even though we've done, I've been on so many task force study groups.00:42:33.898 --> 00:42:34.289


Group You love00:42:34.289 --> 00:42:34.918


committees though.00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:39.628


I do, but after like 10 years of like studying the same thing, you're like, just do it.00:42:39.688 --> 00:42:41.309


I had an old boss that, uh.00:42:41.369 --> 00:42:46.798


It said, uh, uh, he groaned and groaned and gave birth to a gnat.00:42:46.858 --> 00:42:47.099


Yeah.00:42:48.688 --> 00:42:51.059


Sometimes it seems like what the city is doing with the parking problem,00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:53.489


we do amazing planning.00:42:53.489 --> 00:42:53.579


Right.00:42:53.789 --> 00:42:55.199


We just don't implement the plans.00:42:55.204 --> 00:42:55.733


Yeah, yeah.00:42:55.768 --> 00:42:55.949


Yeah.00:42:55.949 --> 00:42:59.668


And so I do think, um, I, I'm not supportive of going to the pay parking now.00:42:59.668 --> 00:43:02.039


I think it's just a revenue to, to try to get revenue.00:43:02.398 --> 00:43:02.579


Totally.00:43:02.608 --> 00:43:03.719


Uh, and that's your only goal.00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:04.858


And it would probably hurt business.00:43:04.889 --> 00:43:05.414


It would hurt business.00:43:05.414 --> 00:43:06.478


It would hurt business Also.00:43:06.478 --> 00:43:09.389


What it would do, it would my business alienate the locals.00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.199


If your tour is, you don't know, it's not pay market from today.00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:13.588


Tomorrow.00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:14.849


Like if you're here, you're great.00:43:14.849 --> 00:43:15.298


Whatever.00:43:15.509 --> 00:43:17.248


But there's 175.00:43:17.248 --> 00:43:17.548


We should have a00:43:17.608 --> 00:43:18.478


locals pass.00:43:18.929 --> 00:43:19.918


That may not be00:43:20.068 --> 00:43:20.278


Yeah.00:43:20.548 --> 00:43:22.949


But I think of, it's so hard they would have like three more jobs.00:43:23.699 --> 00:43:23.878


Yeah.00:43:23.878 --> 00:43:25.619


To administer the locals pass program.00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:25.858


Exactly.00:43:25.949 --> 00:43:28.079


It would be more, it'd be worse.00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:28.349


Too00:43:28.349 --> 00:43:29.309


complicated.00:43:29.398 --> 00:43:29.639


Yep.00:43:29.818 --> 00:43:30.659


For the, the cost.00:43:30.974 --> 00:43:31.153


Yeah.00:43:31.153 --> 00:43:31.844


Announced benefits.00:43:31.844 --> 00:43:31.994


Yep.00:43:32.293 --> 00:43:35.264


Let's not alienate old town from the locals.00:43:35.324 --> 00:43:39.494


Let's work to modify our behavior so people aren't parking on the street.00:43:39.523 --> 00:43:39.733


Yeah.00:43:39.733 --> 00:43:40.423


That worked well.00:43:40.423 --> 00:43:45.764


Even an education program from a lot of the employers downtown that we're covering your garage parking.00:43:45.853 --> 00:43:46.094


Yeah.00:43:46.784 --> 00:43:47.054


Boom.00:43:47.353 --> 00:43:47.623


Done.00:43:48.208 --> 00:43:52.318


Uh, I think, uh, the owner, I, um, Steve, uh, I think it's Steve,00:43:52.318 --> 00:43:54.688


Steve Taylor, probably from Austin's and00:43:54.778 --> 00:43:56.759


no, uh, sios.00:43:56.818 --> 00:43:58.349


Oh, that's Ty.00:43:58.349 --> 00:43:58.358


Ty.00:43:58.438 --> 00:43:58.798


Yeah.00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:02.548


So he, I think he does pay for his employees to park in parking garage.00:44:02.608 --> 00:44:02.909


Oh, cool.00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:06.509


And I don't think he can even get half his employees because he said that at a city council.00:44:06.509 --> 00:44:06.659


Right.00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:06.838


They don't00:44:06.838 --> 00:44:08.518


want to, they just wanna grab a spot.00:44:08.608 --> 00:44:08.878


Yeah.00:44:08.878 --> 00:44:12.239


He's all like, because they're parking when it's actually pretty easy to park00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:12.809


at four.00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:14.219


At 3 45.00:44:14.248 --> 00:44:14.548


Yeah.00:44:14.608 --> 00:44:15.809


Right in front of persimmon.00:44:15.869 --> 00:44:16.018


Yep.00:44:16.889 --> 00:44:19.648


You know, and so Robbie's like, come on man.00:44:19.648 --> 00:44:21.809


Can't you leave my spot available?00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:22.798


Oh, I love persimmon.00:44:22.858 --> 00:44:26.458


They have a coffee, like, uh, that's, that's00:44:26.458 --> 00:44:31.798


eclectic place in town that they, they have like this cold brew coffee soda.00:44:31.798 --> 00:44:33.059


I like their little vinegar.00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:33.748


Soda things.00:44:33.748 --> 00:44:33.838


Yes.00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:35.009


Uh, what do they call'em?00:44:35.009 --> 00:44:37.889


Snatches or no, snuffs?00:44:37.949 --> 00:44:38.434


No, I don't.00:44:39.148 --> 00:44:39.778


I don't, I forget.00:44:40.289 --> 00:44:40.648


I drink.00:44:40.858 --> 00:44:42.809


I don't know what I just, they're like sugary vinegar thing.00:44:42.809 --> 00:44:43.018


Yeah.00:44:43.018 --> 00:44:44.068


I just point out the menu.00:44:44.429 --> 00:44:44.938


I'll take that.00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:47.039


We need to take a break.00:44:47.278 --> 00:44:47.639


Awesome.00:44:47.643 --> 00:44:47.983


Let's do it.00:45:37.474 --> 00:45:38.043


And we're back.00:45:38.103 --> 00:45:38.494


Awesome.00:45:39.184 --> 00:45:42.934


And, uh, it looks like we're on the, uh, home stretch or the second half, which we have00:45:42.934 --> 00:45:43.594


second half.00:45:43.594 --> 00:45:44.643


I don't know if it's home stretch.00:45:44.643 --> 00:45:47.193


It seems like the devastating stretch to me.00:45:47.253 --> 00:45:52.563


Well, it seems like when all the hot sauces get fun and Sean and Paul just sit back and giggle, um, yeah.00:45:53.193 --> 00:45:54.123


They know what they're doing.00:45:54.123 --> 00:45:54.753


The people00:45:55.563 --> 00:45:58.233


I've had, I've had most of these.00:45:58.233 --> 00:46:00.034


I haven't had the last one, which.00:46:00.648 --> 00:46:02.179


Paul doesn't bottle'cause it's too hot.00:46:02.179 --> 00:46:02.929


Nobody will buy it.00:46:03.349 --> 00:46:04.699


Uh, is it aloft?00:46:04.849 --> 00:46:05.784


Yes, it's aloft.00:46:06.048 --> 00:46:06.648


Oh, okay.00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.039


Whenever I asked that to him earlier, he just grinned.00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:11.583


And I was like, it's not olof is it?00:46:12.443 --> 00:46:13.489


Is it aloft?00:46:13.759 --> 00:46:14.143


Uh, I heard00:46:14.423 --> 00:46:15.648


aloft like, oh, aloft.00:46:15.664 --> 00:46:19.219


Like the, like a big Norwegian that's gonna slice your head off with an axe or something.00:46:19.278 --> 00:46:23.688


Uh, it's the, the snow character from uh, frozen.00:46:23.958 --> 00:46:24.498


Oh really?00:46:24.528 --> 00:46:24.949


Okay.00:46:24.949 --> 00:46:25.369


Gotcha.00:46:25.458 --> 00:46:25.818


Yeah.00:46:26.148 --> 00:46:27.978


And it's, um, stupid.00:46:28.338 --> 00:46:29.028


Yes.00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:29.929


Yes it is.00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:30.278


Seems likely to be stupid.00:46:30.278 --> 00:46:30.648


Um,00:46:30.739 --> 00:46:32.929


I'm drinking milk already to pre prepare myself.00:46:33.318 --> 00:46:34.579


Now that I know it's Olaf.00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:35.539


Uh, can we get pep?00:46:35.539 --> 00:46:35.958


No biz.00:46:36.949 --> 00:46:38.358


No, we don't have00:46:38.358 --> 00:46:38.869


that here.00:46:39.228 --> 00:46:39.798


So we're gonna start.00:46:39.798 --> 00:46:40.579


But you can have some milk.00:46:40.608 --> 00:46:43.579


We're gonna start easier with just matador's the red.00:46:43.608 --> 00:46:43.878


Yeah.00:46:43.938 --> 00:46:46.998


This is just a nice kind of classic.00:46:52.728 --> 00:46:54.018


I have more information than you.00:46:54.018 --> 00:46:55.398


'cause I was almost Shirley already.00:46:55.579 --> 00:46:56.028


Mm.00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:58.824


But to me, this is just like a.00:47:01.474 --> 00:47:02.463


Kind of a traditional00:47:02.673 --> 00:47:02.824


mm-hmm.00:47:04.054 --> 00:47:06.753


Tomato forward red00:47:06.753 --> 00:47:08.193


sauce, very traditional.00:47:09.304 --> 00:47:15.724


You know, this would blend really, really well with, um, just a good marinara for like a spicy bowl and eggs.00:47:15.724 --> 00:47:16.143


Yeah.00:47:16.534 --> 00:47:16.893


Yeah.00:47:17.313 --> 00:47:18.454


Or even just a red chili.00:47:18.634 --> 00:47:18.963


Mm.00:47:19.143 --> 00:47:24.963


Honestly, you want, you want to move up from silver to gold on your chili contest.00:47:25.594 --> 00:47:31.804


Maybe just put a quarter bottle of that in there, or a few drips on the top00:47:32.434 --> 00:47:40.293


because it has a good, it's this whole, um, mouth feel good, tomato feel.00:47:40.893 --> 00:47:45.753


Um, I feel a little vinegar in it.00:47:46.083 --> 00:47:46.204


Yep.00:47:46.204 --> 00:47:46.684


Which is good.00:47:46.744 --> 00:47:46.983


Yep.00:47:47.554 --> 00:47:49.773


Um, more oil or a vinegar based.00:47:49.773 --> 00:47:55.864


So it's a good, and I, I like vinegar based, um, hot sauces a lot'cause they don't linger as much.00:47:56.434 --> 00:47:56.733


Right.00:47:56.943 --> 00:47:57.418


Um, so yeah.00:47:57.514 --> 00:47:58.773


So they eventually dissipate.00:47:58.804 --> 00:47:59.014


Yeah.00:47:59.824 --> 00:48:01.474


The cap station doesn't, hold on.00:48:01.744 --> 00:48:04.833


I got a haircut since my last episode with, with Shirley.00:48:04.833 --> 00:48:11.884


I was psychedelic and so I could do like Mohawk and stuff, but I don't have the hair for it now.00:48:11.884 --> 00:48:13.503


Now I'm to you're Yeah.00:48:13.503 --> 00:48:14.403


I'm sweating up already.00:48:14.554 --> 00:48:15.753


You're seen the beads a little bit.00:48:15.753 --> 00:48:17.284


You're gonna see it run down my face.00:48:17.824 --> 00:48:19.054


So have you had Olaf?00:48:19.353 --> 00:48:19.804


No.00:48:20.014 --> 00:48:20.523


Oh, okay.00:48:20.733 --> 00:48:21.063


No.00:48:21.063 --> 00:48:24.094


And I, I've those other two, what are they?00:48:24.844 --> 00:48:25.204


Yeah.00:48:25.293 --> 00:48:25.773


Slate.00:48:25.773 --> 00:48:29.014


Jack Slays revenge is the one before that.00:48:29.014 --> 00:48:31.503


I have had that, that was rough.00:48:31.539 --> 00:48:31.829


Yeah.00:48:32.043 --> 00:48:32.253


Yeah.00:48:32.253 --> 00:48:33.753


Those are, those are good.00:48:33.994 --> 00:48:34.443


They're rough.00:48:35.373 --> 00:48:35.643


Yeah.00:48:35.688 --> 00:48:37.054


The, yeah, but00:48:37.054 --> 00:48:38.074


they're nothing like Olaf.00:48:38.134 --> 00:48:38.373


No.00:48:40.653 --> 00:48:41.643


That's the last dab.00:48:41.673 --> 00:48:44.434


And you're gonna take more than I do, regardless of what we take.00:48:44.434 --> 00:48:44.614


Yeah.00:48:44.614 --> 00:48:44.643


Uh,00:48:44.943 --> 00:48:47.103


you know, things I'll do to be, become mayor.00:48:47.103 --> 00:48:47.463


I'm best fair00:48:48.903 --> 00:48:50.224


social hot topic.00:48:50.313 --> 00:48:50.733


Yeah.00:48:51.304 --> 00:48:56.943


So we asked for, I, uh, I reached out and just kind of asked for what people were especially interested in.00:48:58.429 --> 00:49:03.318


And, uh, homelessness was kind of one of the most recurring phrases there.00:49:03.768 --> 00:49:08.869


How would you rate the city of Fort Collins on its homelessness initiatives in recent decades?00:49:09.259 --> 00:49:10.938


'cause it's been a couple of 20 years.00:49:10.938 --> 00:49:12.409


More plus or minus.00:49:12.498 --> 00:49:12.679


Yeah.00:49:13.099 --> 00:49:17.268


And what changes would you recommend to the program going forward to make it better?00:49:18.889 --> 00:49:20.418


I think we've done a lot of positives.00:49:20.449 --> 00:49:20.869


Um, okay.00:49:20.869 --> 00:49:26.358


One, one aspect that I think we've done well is the community engagement through our unhoused population.00:49:26.449 --> 00:49:26.719


Yeah.00:49:27.228 --> 00:49:36.378


In particular Fort Collins PD Hope, um, department, um, or Hope Group, which is, uh, homeless outreach, uh, and prevention and prevention education.00:49:36.829 --> 00:49:43.579


And they do a really good job of, um, uh, integrating and, and communicating with, um, those are unhoused and homeless.00:49:43.759 --> 00:49:44.028


Mm-hmm.00:49:44.838 --> 00:49:50.659


To really determine kind of what's the core root of, of the, what's causing that.00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.028


And it's quite interesting where.00:49:53.418 --> 00:50:02.958


Um, I think we've done a really, a much better job over the last decade or so of identifying those who are chronically homeless.00:50:03.018 --> 00:50:03.349


Yeah.00:50:03.438 --> 00:50:04.608


That are here year round.00:50:04.998 --> 00:50:15.559


Um, and there's about 400 ish, um, individuals, um, and compared it to about the transients that come and go as weather or as as, um, the wind blows.00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:15.798


The wind00:50:15.798 --> 00:50:16.278


blows them.00:50:16.369 --> 00:50:16.668


Yeah.00:50:16.849 --> 00:50:17.778


And so Well, and00:50:17.778 --> 00:50:20.088


there's also a third population probably that's like.00:50:21.213 --> 00:50:26.253


Moms with a couple of kids that need help for a little while or very much whatever.00:50:26.253 --> 00:50:26.583


Right.00:50:26.614 --> 00:50:29.103


I, I've had, I've had friends and people that's, that gets laid off.00:50:29.193 --> 00:50:41.914


I've had connections with where, uh, I had a gentleman that he lived in his car for a year because he was in a well paying job, lost a job, but refused to, um, lapse on his, uh, uh, childcare, or not childcare, uh, child support.00:50:41.974 --> 00:50:42.094


Right.00:50:42.094 --> 00:50:42.333


Right.00:50:42.393 --> 00:50:45.034


So he couldn't afford both rent and Yep.00:50:45.094 --> 00:50:46.623


Um, child, child support.00:50:46.623 --> 00:50:48.213


So he just chose to live in his car.00:50:48.273 --> 00:50:48.423


Yeah.00:50:48.423 --> 00:50:50.824


His child support was X from when he made more money.00:50:50.824 --> 00:50:51.273


Correct.00:50:51.543 --> 00:50:51.994


And couldn't00:50:51.994 --> 00:50:54.514


change it now, even though he still has a job.00:50:54.603 --> 00:50:54.873


Yeah.00:50:54.873 --> 00:50:58.324


And so there's, and so those, those temporary homeless, that's00:50:58.324 --> 00:51:00.393


kinda the difference between the unhoused and the homeless.00:51:00.398 --> 00:51:00.509


Yeah.00:51:00.789 --> 00:51:07.054


Homeless is almost more of a long-term, um, kind of element.00:51:07.054 --> 00:51:08.344


And unhoused is Yeah.00:51:08.344 --> 00:51:08.793


Chronic.00:51:08.824 --> 00:51:09.454


Yeah.00:51:09.454 --> 00:51:10.309


And, and unhoused.00:51:10.313 --> 00:51:13.324


And so depends on who you're talking to.00:51:13.384 --> 00:51:14.014


Um.00:51:14.628 --> 00:51:17.958


Some individuals do get the, it's that worse.00:51:17.958 --> 00:51:19.398


So overall, sorry to interrupt you.00:51:19.403 --> 00:51:19.909


No, no, you're good.00:51:19.914 --> 00:51:20.054


You're good.00:51:20.054 --> 00:51:20.989


But you're kind of wordy sometimes.00:51:20.994 --> 00:51:21.153


I do, I do.00:51:21.153 --> 00:51:21.858


So overall, the,00:51:21.858 --> 00:51:26.119


the grade for Fort Collins currently over the last, say, 10 years, just00:51:26.253 --> 00:51:27.108


b, B minus.00:51:27.139 --> 00:51:27.378


Okay.00:51:27.498 --> 00:51:28.398


Um, we, and00:51:28.458 --> 00:51:29.509


what we doing wanna change,00:51:29.869 --> 00:51:39.798


so I think we need to do a better job of, um, identifying still the root causes and have better system to help.00:51:40.608 --> 00:51:41.898


Right Now there's, there's gaps.00:51:41.929 --> 00:51:43.128


So, so, so, make it easy.00:51:43.128 --> 00:51:58.579


So if you're, if you're going completely, if you're homeless and you're struggling with addiction or mental health or PTSD or you're a vet, we have systems kind of start you down the process to get housed or get treatment to have to better yourself as you choose.00:51:58.608 --> 00:51:58.878


Yeah.00:51:59.418 --> 00:52:01.009


The challenge is, is most of them,00:52:01.009 --> 00:52:01.818


you gotta do it alone.00:52:01.878 --> 00:52:02.809


Do it alone.00:52:03.259 --> 00:52:09.378


And we have a great service that can start helping you here, but there's too big of a gap.00:52:09.438 --> 00:52:19.338


Uh, to go to the next service where you may be weeks or months because of, um, capacity for our nonprofits and our programs and systems.00:52:19.759 --> 00:52:24.559


Um, just sometimes navigating the system is as clear as mud.00:52:24.918 --> 00:52:25.278


Okay.00:52:25.548 --> 00:52:28.219


So we need to have a better holistic approach.00:52:28.398 --> 00:52:28.579


Okay.00:52:28.608 --> 00:52:40.309


So one thing I've, I've proposed for our nonprofits and homeless individuals, um, would be almost the city, have a couple, uh, nonprofit navigators or system navigators.00:52:40.309 --> 00:52:40.318


Mm.00:52:40.318 --> 00:52:40.643


Mm-hmm.00:52:40.759 --> 00:52:46.338


Because it's so hard to navigate, especially if you are struggling with addiction, you are sure you don't have stable housing.00:52:46.789 --> 00:52:51.259


Um, and so we can do, we can help'em navigate from point A to point B.00:52:51.289 --> 00:52:51.619


Right.00:52:51.739 --> 00:52:56.268


Um, and they have to take that step, but we can show'em how to take that step.00:52:56.298 --> 00:52:56.719


Yeah.00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:56.728


Yeah.00:52:57.018 --> 00:53:04.668


Also, our city, uh, and our leaders are so, they want everything to be perfect, especially with our housing.00:53:05.028 --> 00:53:07.188


So they, they, they don't give.00:53:08.134 --> 00:53:15.664


We make it just as hard to build affordable housing that can be transitional housing than we do normal market rate housing.00:53:15.693 --> 00:53:17.583


Now, I'm not saying we should build shanties00:53:17.914 --> 00:53:18.094


Right.00:53:18.094 --> 00:53:18.273


But at00:53:18.273 --> 00:53:20.884


some point, those that are homeless and unhoused, they don't need to00:53:20.884 --> 00:53:21.664


be R 38.00:53:21.784 --> 00:53:22.293


Correct.00:53:22.684 --> 00:53:23.974


Especially not in this mild climate.00:53:23.974 --> 00:53:24.094


They00:53:24.094 --> 00:53:26.284


don't need it to be ev electric ready.00:53:26.284 --> 00:53:28.173


They just need a, a roof over their head.00:53:28.443 --> 00:53:28.503


Yeah.00:53:28.623 --> 00:53:31.804


And four walls that they can call home and have some stability.00:53:32.434 --> 00:53:35.583


So that's where we can really gain and those are things that we can do.00:53:35.583 --> 00:53:37.503


Like we can't change some outside.00:53:37.594 --> 00:53:38.193


Um, sure.00:53:38.494 --> 00:53:39.423


Influences.00:53:39.873 --> 00:53:44.824


Um, we made a big progress on long view, um, mental health system.00:53:45.034 --> 00:53:45.123


Sure.00:53:45.184 --> 00:53:52.623


And I think as we expand that campus, we'll provide more acute and nuanced treatment and support mechanisms.00:53:53.313 --> 00:53:57.423


Um, but that we're, we're struggling on funding from the, everything's funding related.00:53:57.429 --> 00:53:57.648


Right.00:53:58.324 --> 00:53:58.414


Right.00:53:58.414 --> 00:54:01.923


So we can just make it as a stop gap.00:54:02.313 --> 00:54:04.954


Have a couple navigators, maybe see if it doesn't00:54:04.954 --> 00:54:06.724


take a lot of funding to have some navigators.00:54:06.753 --> 00:54:06.903


Correct.00:54:06.903 --> 00:54:08.914


And you might have better outcomes for better outcomes.00:54:08.943 --> 00:54:09.184


Each of these00:54:09.184 --> 00:54:10.833


people, uh, a little bit better.00:54:10.864 --> 00:54:13.653


And, and also increase that the budget for the Hope team.00:54:13.653 --> 00:54:15.664


So we do have that better community feel.00:54:16.054 --> 00:54:21.903


So you do see the interactions between the community service, police services, and our homeless population.00:54:22.173 --> 00:54:23.224


That's not negative.00:54:23.224 --> 00:54:24.304


It's a positive influence.00:54:24.304 --> 00:54:24.423


Yeah.00:54:24.728 --> 00:54:24.809


Yeah.00:54:24.994 --> 00:54:25.324


Dig it.00:54:26.074 --> 00:54:26.733


You ready, Eva?00:54:27.304 --> 00:54:28.893


We're ready for the next sauce.00:54:29.344 --> 00:54:31.023


I know we're running a little bit behind.00:54:31.623 --> 00:54:31.813


No, it's fine.00:54:31.813 --> 00:54:32.164


It's okay.00:54:32.614 --> 00:54:33.273


Not your fault.00:54:33.278 --> 00:54:33.688


It's my fault.00:54:33.949 --> 00:54:34.199


No, it's my fault.00:54:34.744 --> 00:54:36.784


Well, I know you're wordy, but it's still my fault.00:54:36.873 --> 00:54:37.353


I'm a host.00:54:39.063 --> 00:54:39.753


What is this one?00:54:40.563 --> 00:54:41.224


Oh, sorry.00:54:41.523 --> 00:54:43.623


So room two, uh, 17.00:54:43.684 --> 00:54:45.784


This might have been the final one last time.00:54:45.813 --> 00:54:46.414


Oh really?00:54:46.563 --> 00:54:46.804


Yeah.00:54:47.014 --> 00:54:47.403


Okay.00:54:47.583 --> 00:54:47.884


Yeah.00:54:53.974 --> 00:54:54.273


Hmm.00:54:54.454 --> 00:54:55.384


It's so delicious.00:54:56.043 --> 00:54:57.724


And so, oh, painful.00:54:58.114 --> 00:54:58.773


Not painful.00:54:59.253 --> 00:54:59.914


No, this is.00:55:00.963 --> 00:55:02.733


But it's gonna come and Oh yeah.00:55:03.003 --> 00:55:05.313


Kick you in the back of the Well, it really comes in.00:55:05.554 --> 00:55:05.853


Yeah.00:55:05.853 --> 00:55:06.934


Comes in so late.00:55:08.344 --> 00:55:08.583


Hmm.00:55:09.844 --> 00:55:11.224


Like, oh, this is, we, this is easy.00:55:11.224 --> 00:55:13.384


And then you back your throat, you're like, no, I can't believe00:55:13.384 --> 00:55:15.333


I'm dipping so much sauce on these.00:55:15.364 --> 00:55:17.494


That's, that's Sean and Paul.00:55:18.454 --> 00:55:21.603


It's, you're really to blame.00:55:22.623 --> 00:55:29.764


Like, I know that I'm gonna be up at four o'clock this morning on the toilet, not having any fun.00:55:31.083 --> 00:55:35.164


I know that I'm gonna be sweatier than a dog here, but I go back and I dip it.00:55:35.224 --> 00:55:35.943


Double dip it.00:55:35.974 --> 00:55:36.063


Oh00:55:36.063 --> 00:55:36.393


yeah.00:55:36.634 --> 00:55:37.804


You don't have to follow me.00:55:38.043 --> 00:55:38.373


I know.00:55:38.373 --> 00:55:38.554


But00:55:38.554 --> 00:55:38.704


I00:55:38.704 --> 00:55:39.213


have to.00:55:39.213 --> 00:55:39.664


It's so00:55:39.664 --> 00:55:39.994


good.00:55:41.884 --> 00:55:43.204


You know that one, that one's really good.00:55:43.204 --> 00:55:44.434


'cause it starts forward.00:55:44.643 --> 00:55:47.043


I, it's a little thicker too, so it lingers.00:55:47.043 --> 00:55:47.134


Mm-hmm.00:55:48.409 --> 00:55:49.248


So, yeah, it's fine.00:55:49.309 --> 00:55:55.608


I mean, my face, I won't sweat, but I'm guessing my head's gonna turn as red as you're getting a little red.00:55:55.699 --> 00:55:56.809


Yeah, that feels00:55:56.809 --> 00:55:56.989


it.00:55:56.989 --> 00:55:57.829


But you won't sweat, huh?00:55:58.309 --> 00:55:59.028


I might sweat.00:55:59.929 --> 00:56:02.449


We'll see when the, when the final turns come around.00:56:02.539 --> 00:56:02.989


Oh, you just see00:56:02.989 --> 00:56:03.108


me00:56:03.108 --> 00:56:04.668


crying, it'll be fine.00:56:04.668 --> 00:56:08.509


So this is, uh, the, the random question grab bag.00:56:08.778 --> 00:56:13.789


Um, because I only put out seven questions to you guys, but we got eight sauces.00:56:13.998 --> 00:56:14.358


I like it.00:56:14.358 --> 00:56:14.929


Uh, last time.00:56:14.929 --> 00:56:18.498


So we do this with our local experience guests.00:56:18.498 --> 00:56:19.668


They answer all three.00:56:19.849 --> 00:56:20.119


Okay?00:56:20.268 --> 00:56:25.128


But I'm just gonna ask you all three questions and have you do a, a question, uh, answer to one of them.00:56:25.128 --> 00:56:25.489


Pick one.00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:25.909


Yep.00:56:27.048 --> 00:56:28.278


The hardest one if you want to.00:56:32.418 --> 00:56:36.994


I got 2 25 and 28,00:56:36.994 --> 00:56:40.099


2 25, 28 will go in numerical order.00:56:40.579 --> 00:56:44.719


One of the most popular, uh, questions to be asked actually is number.00:56:45.304 --> 00:56:46.023


I can take those.00:56:46.233 --> 00:56:46.474


Okay.00:56:46.713 --> 00:56:47.793


2 25, 28.00:56:48.063 --> 00:56:48.423


Got em.00:56:49.773 --> 00:57:00.304


Number two, would you rather fight one horse size duck or 100 ducks size horses?00:57:02.643 --> 00:57:03.963


Uh, a hundred.00:57:04.443 --> 00:57:05.764


No, one horse-sized duck.00:57:05.824 --> 00:57:06.123


Really?00:57:06.273 --> 00:57:06.543


Yeah.00:57:06.844 --> 00:57:07.114


Okay.00:57:07.864 --> 00:57:11.043


I think if I can get around them, do a choke hold on that one, that'd be fine.00:57:11.074 --> 00:57:12.003


But those a hundred,00:57:12.963 --> 00:57:14.164


I'm kind of in the same place.00:57:14.583 --> 00:57:15.543


They could just pile on.00:57:15.543 --> 00:57:15.724


I don't00:57:15.724 --> 00:57:15.873


know.00:57:15.873 --> 00:57:16.014


I don't know.00:57:16.014 --> 00:57:16.684


I go back and forth.00:57:16.744 --> 00:57:17.074


I can't.00:57:17.284 --> 00:57:17.463


Yeah.00:57:17.974 --> 00:57:21.423


Um, and you don't have to answer every question, but you get extra points if you do so.00:57:21.423 --> 00:57:21.934


Oh, awesome.00:57:21.994 --> 00:57:22.208


I like points.00:57:23.298 --> 00:57:24.739


Um, 25.00:57:25.668 --> 00:57:31.039


What's one thing on your bucket list that you're determined to accomplish besides becoming mayor of Fort Collins?00:57:31.759 --> 00:57:36.079


Um, one thing I've always had a dream to do is jump in and out of a perfectly good airplane.00:57:36.768 --> 00:57:37.594


Oh, I like it.00:57:37.614 --> 00:57:37.833


So00:57:38.208 --> 00:57:41.599


I have to get to a certain way and, um, I'm on the process to do so.00:57:41.628 --> 00:57:41.958


Okay.00:57:42.018 --> 00:57:45.018


If I do get to, uh, the weight, then you're probably like00:57:45.018 --> 00:57:45.679


halfway there.00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.619


After losing 30 pounds on this campaign tour, so far I'm getting pretty00:57:48.619 --> 00:57:49.009


close.00:57:49.579 --> 00:57:51.199


I got another about 30 pounds to go.00:57:51.259 --> 00:57:51.559


Nice.00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.389


And then I will jump out of a perfectly good airplane.00:57:53.568 --> 00:57:54.048


I like it.00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.068


That's on my bucket list.00:57:55.668 --> 00:57:59.028


Hopefully a shoot opens a celebration of becoming mayor.00:57:59.028 --> 00:58:00.228


Perhaps you're like,00:58:00.228 --> 00:58:01.188


yay, you voted for me.00:58:01.188 --> 00:58:01.878


I'm making good decisions.00:58:03.054 --> 00:58:06.199


And do you have to get, do you have enough life insurance now?00:58:07.188 --> 00:58:09.393


Uh, no, but that's a good, I should probably it first.00:58:09.393 --> 00:58:09.514


You00:58:09.514 --> 00:58:09.614


should do it.00:58:09.614 --> 00:58:09.679


Yeah.00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:12.289


Because they like charge you more after you do that kind of shit.00:58:12.318 --> 00:58:13.188


Probably a little bit.00:58:13.398 --> 00:58:14.838


They're like, it's on the questionnaire.00:58:14.869 --> 00:58:19.728


I remember years ago I was planning to get back into motorcycling, but I hadn't yet.00:58:19.759 --> 00:58:19.789


Okay.00:58:19.789 --> 00:58:21.918


I was like, I should probably buy some life insurance now.00:58:21.918 --> 00:58:22.278


Smart.00:58:23.434 --> 00:58:23.793


Anyway.00:58:24.273 --> 00:58:27.903


Number 28, what's your proudest achievement in business?00:58:30.333 --> 00:58:38.224


You know, I think, um, pre pandemic, I, this, uh, started a not-for-profit called the Draft Solutions.00:58:39.184 --> 00:58:39.423


Okay.00:58:39.423 --> 00:58:44.673


And we would hold quarterly events to promote other non-profits.00:58:45.273 --> 00:58:45.483


Okay.00:58:45.693 --> 00:58:48.934


And, um, we, you're suffering a little bit from this though, aren't you?00:58:48.934 --> 00:58:49.344


I'm I Amm.00:58:50.014 --> 00:58:50.164


Me too.00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.684


It, it hitting me a little bit more than I thought I would.00:58:52.954 --> 00:58:53.463


So, me too.00:58:53.673 --> 00:58:56.673


Um, I'm getting that drunk punch, uh Right.00:58:56.673 --> 00:58:57.634


I'm kind of stupid right now.00:58:59.014 --> 00:59:11.884


But, so the job solutions was really fun where we, um, I was able to build it from just, we would have five or six people come to a cover events, uh, and we'd hold up breweries and raise money, awareness and volunteerism for other nonprofits.00:59:11.943 --> 00:59:12.123


Hmm.00:59:12.393 --> 00:59:21.574


And pre pandemic, right before the pandemic stopped and we couldn't meet, uh, we got to where we were having 60, 70 people come to the breweries and ums.00:59:23.253 --> 00:59:27.934


Raise, you know, not thousands, but actually sometimes thousands of dollars for these nonprofits.00:59:27.994 --> 00:59:28.713


Oh, that's so cool.00:59:28.804 --> 00:59:32.253


Uh, and it was really fun to see the organic growth of it.00:59:32.344 --> 00:59:32.583


Yeah.00:59:32.588 --> 00:59:33.724


Um, and it's called, what?00:59:33.873 --> 00:59:35.074


It's called the Draft solution.00:59:35.074 --> 00:59:35.673


Draft Solution.00:59:35.673 --> 00:59:40.414


So you just kind of go to different breweries, Uhhuh invite people to come learn about the podcast of the month club.00:59:40.503 --> 00:59:40.833


Yeah.00:59:40.833 --> 00:59:41.284


Kind of.00:59:41.284 --> 00:59:43.128


And so we would be like, uh, well not00:59:43.134 --> 00:59:44.824


the podcast, but the non-profit of the month Yeah.00:59:44.824 --> 00:59:45.423


Is what I meant.00:59:45.514 --> 00:59:47.344


Buy in, uh, crossroads Safe House.00:59:47.403 --> 00:59:47.494


Sure.00:59:47.494 --> 00:59:51.333


And we would do a, the breweries would do a dollar,$2 a beer.00:59:51.543 --> 00:59:51.724


Yeah.00:59:51.753 --> 00:59:54.034


Uh, and people come drink and learn about the things.00:59:54.034 --> 00:59:58.204


And then also we saw a big increase in volunteerism Yeah.00:59:58.264 --> 00:59:59.824


For these, uh, non-profits.01:00:00.094 --> 01:00:03.184


So not only do they get money, but they got volunteers, which at some point Yeah.01:00:03.184 --> 01:00:03.483


It's more01:00:03.483 --> 01:00:03.693


with01:00:03.693 --> 01:00:03.844


it.01:00:04.023 --> 01:00:06.693


Do you mind if somebody else restarts that after?01:00:06.724 --> 01:00:07.324


Not at all.01:00:07.384 --> 01:00:08.853


Um, I, I think it's01:00:08.853 --> 01:00:13.204


a, and it seems like a good idea, like useful for everybody, like the breweries win.01:00:13.264 --> 01:00:13.384


Yeah.01:00:13.773 --> 01:00:14.824


I, and look at think Tank.01:00:14.824 --> 01:00:18.454


We, we say, uh, we look for the win-win, win-win.01:00:19.114 --> 01:00:21.423


But we'll settle for the win, win win if necessary.01:00:21.423 --> 01:00:26.733


And it, to me, it seems like a great win for the nonprofits, for people, for the community, for the brewery.01:00:26.853 --> 01:00:29.884


And it was super low hanging fruit when it comes to like organizing.01:00:30.034 --> 01:00:30.813


Um, okay.01:00:30.813 --> 01:00:34.744


I try, I, at one point I was doing it monthly and monthly just got too hard.01:00:34.804 --> 01:00:35.134


Yeah.01:00:35.434 --> 01:00:39.184


Uh, but doing it quarterly advertising minimum,01:00:39.213 --> 01:00:46.773


allow traction to build, put posters in posters, the brewery posters that's coming to, but also the next two breweries and the last two breweries.01:00:46.773 --> 01:00:48.514


'cause they're happy to hang posters for you.01:00:48.603 --> 01:00:52.833


And it, you know, the brewery scene here is they will promote other events and so Totally.01:00:52.833 --> 01:00:59.434


So that was a really fun, like, business wise, like even like my coffee company, even though I just closed it, I closed it po on a positive note.01:00:59.463 --> 01:01:02.969


I wasn't losing money, I just, the commodity price and it just didn't make sense.01:01:02.969 --> 01:01:03.128


Yeah.01:01:03.128 --> 01:01:03.934


I didn't wanna lose money.01:01:04.023 --> 01:01:04.233


Yeah.01:01:04.623 --> 01:01:05.134


A bunch of money.01:01:05.134 --> 01:01:05.434


But01:01:06.304 --> 01:01:14.554


I think if the pandemic didn't happen and we weren't shut down for 18 months, two years and then I started the coffee business and everything just got, uh, kind of yeah.01:01:14.554 --> 01:01:15.724


Change in life-wise.01:01:16.173 --> 01:01:17.193


Uh, I think it's a great.01:01:17.478 --> 01:01:23.119


And I got the, uh, a, like the logos and Yeah.01:01:23.179 --> 01:01:26.838


Jeff Solutions kind of like a double positive, like draft for beer solution Sure.01:01:26.838 --> 01:01:28.068


Is a beer.01:01:28.489 --> 01:01:29.679


And find solutions and solutions.01:01:29.688 --> 01:01:29.869


Yeah.01:01:29.989 --> 01:01:30.289


Huh.01:01:30.438 --> 01:01:30.978


Yeah, it was really well.01:01:30.978 --> 01:01:31.728


And solutions.01:01:31.728 --> 01:01:36.048


So they were actually meeting together as nonprofit leaders too, or what's the solutions part?01:01:36.108 --> 01:01:36.949


So a lot of the time,01:01:36.949 --> 01:01:39.289


so the solution was kinda just a double take on beer.01:01:39.378 --> 01:01:39.438


Okay.01:01:39.438 --> 01:01:39.918


Like draft.01:01:39.918 --> 01:01:43.338


And then So beer is a solution, is a chemical solution.01:01:43.429 --> 01:01:45.739


That's a, oh, I guess it is.01:01:45.858 --> 01:01:51.048


I was thinking about, uh, a old Homer Simpson quote, um, ah, beer.01:01:51.588 --> 01:01:55.789


The cause of, and solution to all of life's little problems,01:01:56.449 --> 01:02:01.099


you know, but the, we would have the non-profit, uh, executive directors.01:02:01.128 --> 01:02:01.309


Yeah.01:02:01.309 --> 01:02:01.489


Yeah.01:02:01.489 --> 01:02:02.239


And staff coming back.01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:03.168


Well, that's what I was kind of thinking01:02:03.168 --> 01:02:09.108


is maybe this should be, if you would organize it local, think tank could potentially be a part of it.01:02:09.139 --> 01:02:12.228


And we could actually do like a freethink.01:02:12.994 --> 01:02:13.534


Session.01:02:13.534 --> 01:02:13.744


Yeah.01:02:14.193 --> 01:02:15.364


With nonprofit leaders.01:02:15.393 --> 01:02:22.954


'cause it's, I've always kind of been open to nonprofit leaders being in a think tank chapter, but they never have any money.01:02:22.954 --> 01:02:23.403


Right.01:02:23.463 --> 01:02:23.523


Yeah.01:02:23.523 --> 01:02:24.034


And stuff.01:02:24.034 --> 01:02:32.643


But if, if you could do something as a, as a regular service and allow them to connect and process together what's going on in their industry, it might be useful.01:02:32.764 --> 01:02:34.384


So, and I think it's, it will work.01:02:34.384 --> 01:02:35.253


Ping me after this.01:02:35.253 --> 01:02:35.704


I will.01:02:35.704 --> 01:02:36.244


A hundred percent.01:02:36.244 --> 01:02:41.373


Because I think we can actually do see that increase in that connective tissue Right.01:02:41.378 --> 01:02:41.938


Between the two.01:02:41.938 --> 01:02:42.123


Well, and if you're01:02:42.123 --> 01:02:43.773


getting them new volunteers Yeah.01:02:43.773 --> 01:02:44.373


Potentially.01:02:44.373 --> 01:02:45.753


Or all these other things.01:02:45.753 --> 01:02:54.034


And just, unfortunately, nonprofits are some of the least abundance minded people because they're always running short of budget.01:02:54.123 --> 01:02:54.634


Yes.01:02:54.693 --> 01:02:55.893


You know, and so.01:02:56.853 --> 01:03:02.134


It's hard for them sometimes to share with each other about, oh, this big donor, Ralph.01:03:02.164 --> 01:03:02.434


Yeah.01:03:02.494 --> 01:03:03.724


Oh, which big donor, Ralph.01:03:03.963 --> 01:03:04.143


Yeah.01:03:04.204 --> 01:03:04.773


Um, what's his01:03:04.773 --> 01:03:06.128


number exactly?01:03:06.469 --> 01:03:07.969


Can, can, can I call Ralph?01:03:08.344 --> 01:03:08.463


Can I?01:03:09.844 --> 01:03:12.724


But if you get the right environment of trust Yeah.01:03:12.724 --> 01:03:14.673


Going on, you can, you can navigate that.01:03:15.304 --> 01:03:18.768


You know, it's a great deal of respect between the nonprofits and Totally.01:03:18.844 --> 01:03:19.833


And I a hundred percent.01:03:19.983 --> 01:03:21.724


And just seeing that, how much work?01:03:21.724 --> 01:03:22.143


Ton of respect,01:03:22.233 --> 01:03:23.014


but a little bit of fear.01:03:23.014 --> 01:03:23.974


More fear than there should be.01:03:23.974 --> 01:03:24.483


A hundred percent.01:03:24.603 --> 01:03:26.583


Well, because it, it's not ue right01:03:26.583 --> 01:03:27.003


now.01:03:27.003 --> 01:03:27.994


Their fundings are being cut.01:03:28.054 --> 01:03:28.563


That's right.01:03:28.568 --> 01:03:28.688


Right.01:03:29.103 --> 01:03:29.403


Totally.01:03:30.123 --> 01:03:38.704


And they probably deserved it'cause there was probably too much non-local funding going on in the nonprofit community here, because that means it's not local control anymore.01:03:39.123 --> 01:03:41.733


Well, somebody's got'em doing stuff, you know.01:03:41.733 --> 01:03:46.713


Well, it's not just that like, uh, they take, you know, there's books of like grants you have to apply for sure.01:03:47.134 --> 01:03:51.043


But even I'm like, my position, um, I can't really talk about, um, just.01:03:51.934 --> 01:03:52.804


Conflict of interests.01:03:52.833 --> 01:03:53.134


Okay.01:03:53.224 --> 01:03:54.724


Uh, but I'm grant funded.01:03:54.963 --> 01:03:55.233


Okay.01:03:55.233 --> 01:03:55.923


At the federal level.01:03:55.954 --> 01:03:56.373


Yeah.01:03:56.373 --> 01:03:56.384


Yeah.01:03:56.434 --> 01:03:58.954


So, and that's on shake ground.01:03:58.958 --> 01:03:59.168


Right.01:03:59.173 --> 01:03:59.463


Right.01:03:59.463 --> 01:03:59.704


I don't01:03:59.704 --> 01:04:00.094


doubt it.01:04:00.333 --> 01:04:04.833


And so, but that's, that's not a place to build a foundation.01:04:04.864 --> 01:04:05.313


No.01:04:05.344 --> 01:04:17.253


And so like I hear, like both of my brother-in-laws were government employees that were liable to being cut or whatever by trims to the different things and stuff.01:04:17.793 --> 01:04:20.253


And that's it is what it is.01:04:20.284 --> 01:04:20.344


Yeah.01:04:21.094 --> 01:04:26.704


But when a necessary position of a local sheriff's department.01:04:27.108 --> 01:04:33.378


Is grant funded to the point where it would be bad for the community if it went away, then the federal government has no business being there.01:04:33.498 --> 01:04:33.768


No.01:04:34.338 --> 01:04:37.248


Um, my opinion, we, and we'll, like probably local funding is key.01:04:37.248 --> 01:04:40.489


And fortunately we have amazing donors here locally.01:04:40.608 --> 01:04:40.849


Yeah.01:04:40.998 --> 01:04:42.228


And it's all the small businesses.01:04:42.228 --> 01:04:43.668


And I've talked about this in my campaign.01:04:43.909 --> 01:04:44.778


That's why it's so crucial.01:04:44.778 --> 01:04:46.489


We keep the small business community healthy01:04:46.518 --> 01:04:53.119


and Hydro Busch may give 5,000 for a sponsorship, but New Belgium will give 5,000 or 10,000 or to four different01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:53.989


organizations, four different01:04:53.989 --> 01:04:54.378


organizations.01:04:54.469 --> 01:04:57.108


Or Maxine may not be able to give 5,000, but they'll give beer.01:04:57.168 --> 01:04:57.318


Right.01:04:57.318 --> 01:04:59.389


They'll give advertising and they'll give Oh yeah.01:04:59.449 --> 01:05:00.619


Or, or yeah.01:05:00.619 --> 01:05:01.039


Or01:05:01.759 --> 01:05:04.518


uh, uh, set pan you mentioned earlier.01:05:04.523 --> 01:05:04.563


Yeah.01:05:04.878 --> 01:05:06.469


Like those guys give beer to everybody.01:05:06.498 --> 01:05:06.708


Yeah.01:05:06.978 --> 01:05:09.918


They don't donate much money to anybody, but they give beer to everybody01:05:09.949 --> 01:05:10.668


and so they do.01:05:10.668 --> 01:05:14.358


And that's what Tim and Carol, sorry guys, Tim and Carol are.01:05:15.034 --> 01:05:15.753


Just sweethearts.01:05:15.784 --> 01:05:16.623


They totally are.01:05:17.284 --> 01:05:18.664


Um, we need to move on.01:05:18.753 --> 01:05:18.934


Yep.01:05:19.384 --> 01:05:20.824


It's Sauce seven.01:05:21.213 --> 01:05:23.164


This one is the Slade's Revenge.01:05:23.193 --> 01:05:23.824


Yes.01:05:24.304 --> 01:05:25.114


You've had it before.01:05:25.264 --> 01:05:26.373


Uh, I have.01:05:27.153 --> 01:05:27.634


It's hot.01:05:27.994 --> 01:05:28.503


Yeah, I know.01:05:28.563 --> 01:05:29.193


Yeah, I know.01:05:29.193 --> 01:05:30.003


I've had it before too.01:05:31.653 --> 01:05:34.384


And so next week you have two of these back to back, right?01:05:34.384 --> 01:05:34.563


It's01:05:34.563 --> 01:05:34.893


true.01:05:34.983 --> 01:05:35.313


Okay.01:05:35.313 --> 01:05:36.813


So how's you, how are you gonna do that?01:05:36.844 --> 01:05:38.463


I don't know what I'm gonna do, honestly.01:05:38.554 --> 01:05:40.173


Like, it's gonna be stupid.01:05:40.534 --> 01:05:44.943


Um, I gotta stop dipping them so deep.01:05:44.943 --> 01:05:46.173


I didn't get outta there.01:05:48.668 --> 01:05:51.543


You know, problem with this one is, it's a lot milder up front.01:05:51.574 --> 01:05:52.023


Mm-hmm.01:05:54.273 --> 01:05:54.454


Yeah.01:05:55.384 --> 01:05:56.434


It's a pussycat on the kiss.01:05:56.438 --> 01:05:56.688


Uhhuh.01:05:58.773 --> 01:05:59.884


I can't believe I'm doing it.01:05:59.884 --> 01:05:59.974


It's,01:06:00.844 --> 01:06:01.653


it's so easy.01:06:01.653 --> 01:06:02.764


You're like, oh, I'll go in for another one.01:06:02.768 --> 01:06:02.929


Mm-hmm.01:06:03.009 --> 01:06:03.423


And it's easy.01:06:03.423 --> 01:06:04.023


And then you're like, mm-hmm.01:06:04.773 --> 01:06:06.003


No, that was a mistake.01:06:06.034 --> 01:06:06.244


Yeah.01:06:06.244 --> 01:06:06.543


Wait, you.01:06:09.858 --> 01:06:11.628


Those two are like kissing cousins a little bit.01:06:11.898 --> 01:06:12.259


They are.01:06:12.259 --> 01:06:16.159


And I think this one's actually a little bit easier than the two, uh, 17.01:06:16.579 --> 01:06:17.389


Two 17, I think.01:06:17.478 --> 01:06:17.719


Yeah.01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:20.329


Um, because I think the two 17 is a thicker01:06:20.628 --> 01:06:20.869


Yep.01:06:21.378 --> 01:06:23.478


And it clings on the, it clings on, yep.01:06:23.509 --> 01:06:27.048


Well, this is a little bit, um, more, um, less viscous.01:06:27.139 --> 01:06:27.378


Yep.01:06:27.384 --> 01:06:27.393


Yep.01:06:27.619 --> 01:06:29.539


And it can, it goes down a lot easier.01:06:29.568 --> 01:06:29.958


Yeah.01:06:30.139 --> 01:06:31.068


I would say that's true.01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:32.748


We almost switch, switch the order.01:06:32.809 --> 01:06:33.048


Yeah.01:06:33.054 --> 01:06:35.059


This one's, I mean, I'm, I'm dripping.01:06:35.509 --> 01:06:36.619


Oh, I, and I'm feeling it.01:06:36.619 --> 01:06:37.429


I, I'm sweaty now.01:06:37.429 --> 01:06:37.998


I believe too.01:06:38.179 --> 01:06:38.208


A01:06:38.208 --> 01:06:38.568


little bit.01:06:38.568 --> 01:06:40.099


Your cheeks are just a little bit.01:06:40.099 --> 01:06:40.699


Got a glow.01:06:40.728 --> 01:06:42.018


Just a rosy, rosy01:06:42.018 --> 01:06:42.349


glow.01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.789


So, uh, the community hot topic is our seventh question.01:06:47.268 --> 01:06:48.619


Only one more to go after this.01:06:48.619 --> 01:06:48.798


Perfect.01:06:48.798 --> 01:06:49.489


The last dab.01:06:50.509 --> 01:06:57.079


How can the city of Fort Collins maintain financial strength in light of declining sales tax collection trends?01:06:57.829 --> 01:07:00.949


What mix of cost cutting and revenue enhancement strategies?01:07:01.623 --> 01:07:04.954


Do you envision as being the most important to maintain fiscal health?01:07:05.103 --> 01:07:17.164


So I've talked about this a couple times, uh, on the campaign is, uh, so Citi used American Rescue plan funding from the pandemic to fund some long-term positions and departments, uh, programs.01:07:18.184 --> 01:07:22.474


Why, um, just'cause they, it fit into the narrative at that point.01:07:23.344 --> 01:07:23.434


Yes.01:07:23.434 --> 01:07:28.923


And I don't know if it wasn't foresight or they thought that there would always be a building revenue stream.01:07:29.344 --> 01:07:33.423


Um, and so, but there's not, so we need to look at any program.01:07:33.483 --> 01:07:42.664


If it's American Rescue Plan funding or any other funding mechanism that is short term funded, meaning there's a sunset to it, we need to look at those programs.01:07:42.664 --> 01:07:50.373


And if they're not self-sustainable or achieving the necessary community good at a large scale, they need to be changed, reduced.01:07:50.373 --> 01:07:51.934


Is that like, or elimination that a big number of people?01:07:52.594 --> 01:07:54.753


Uh, I, I don't know if it has actually that many.01:07:55.278 --> 01:07:56.778


Staff members, um, okay.01:07:56.778 --> 01:07:58.878


It could be in the dozen or okay.01:07:58.969 --> 01:08:00.889


Or a dozen, but it's, that's still a lot01:08:00.889 --> 01:08:02.688


of money at a hundred grand per, you know?01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:03.259


Correct.01:08:03.318 --> 01:08:10.668


And, and I don't like if we can repurpose some of those individuals to other open positions so we don't have to hire new and we can maintain, we don't have to.01:08:10.668 --> 01:08:10.789


Right.01:08:10.909 --> 01:08:11.329


If they're good01:08:11.329 --> 01:08:12.739


employees, we don't have to coefficient.01:08:12.739 --> 01:08:12.949


That's fine.01:08:12.949 --> 01:08:13.369


There's ways01:08:13.373 --> 01:08:14.599


to, there's ways that we can,01:08:14.838 --> 01:08:16.969


so that's your first step almost, is like, yeah, do01:08:16.969 --> 01:08:17.479


an audit.01:08:17.509 --> 01:08:22.069


If your job was funded by short term stuff, sorry.01:08:22.069 --> 01:08:24.288


But that short term stuff is gone.01:08:24.288 --> 01:08:24.618


We gotta01:08:24.618 --> 01:08:32.418


look at way other ways to either fund it now, if it's was funded by short term funding, but it's doing a great deal of community good.01:08:32.868 --> 01:08:36.948


Where you can justify it through either social benefit mechanisms.01:08:37.099 --> 01:08:37.219


Okay.01:08:37.219 --> 01:08:38.088


But the city's broke.01:08:38.208 --> 01:08:38.359


Yeah.01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.639


Like, so let's, let's kind of zoom in on that.01:08:40.639 --> 01:08:44.958


Like we're gonna gonna be all masey pansy about who gets to keep their job, who not correct.01:08:45.404 --> 01:08:48.529


So, so like, we need to spend less money and make more money.01:08:48.798 --> 01:08:53.748


And you know, one of the best thing that Darren thought about doing and just has gone away is a stop doing list.01:08:54.529 --> 01:08:55.038


Oh, yeah.01:08:55.069 --> 01:09:00.288


You know, Darren, before he left as city manager, he, he, he's developed a stop doing list, right.01:09:00.738 --> 01:09:02.958


Where if it's not working, stop doing it.01:09:03.349 --> 01:09:10.939


You know, one of the best things that, um, went away with that is the median, the, the four, uh, the medians.01:09:11.238 --> 01:09:11.448


Yeah.01:09:11.448 --> 01:09:15.859


At one point was costing$3 million of media, the upkeep with all the foliage and the trees.01:09:16.038 --> 01:09:16.399


Okay.01:09:16.429 --> 01:09:21.439


So we said, oh, if we put some nice iron railing in and do decorat design, there's no maintenance.01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:22.338


We don't have to upkeep it.01:09:23.328 --> 01:09:25.069


Let's continue to look at things like that.01:09:25.099 --> 01:09:25.189


Yeah.01:09:25.189 --> 01:09:26.988


Things that we don't have to continue to upkeep.01:09:27.019 --> 01:09:27.259


Yeah.01:09:27.618 --> 01:09:33.828


Uh, and so we need to do an audit to figure out where we're spending, we're spending too much money on pet projects.01:09:33.828 --> 01:09:33.979


How much01:09:33.979 --> 01:09:34.849


should we spend on the audit?01:09:35.899 --> 01:09:39.498


Um, I mean, unfortunately any audit's gonna cost six figures.01:09:39.503 --> 01:09:39.554


Yeah.01:09:39.649 --> 01:09:39.769


Yeah.01:09:39.769 --> 01:09:41.809


It's just, it's, it's, it's part of it.01:09:41.958 --> 01:09:42.198


Yeah.01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:51.408


Um, it's almost like doing, if you're in a private business, if I wanted to go up to the next stage on the roast coffee roasting business and to make more money.01:09:52.024 --> 01:09:53.703


I would have to invest in a new roaster.01:09:53.764 --> 01:09:58.054


So there is money, sunken money into figuring out where to cut money, unfortunately.01:09:58.654 --> 01:10:01.894


Um, but we need to start because we're our budget's 900 and.01:10:02.538 --> 01:10:03.408


38 million.01:10:03.918 --> 01:10:04.158


Okay.01:10:04.158 --> 01:10:06.529


10 years ago was 540 million.01:10:06.649 --> 01:10:07.038


Wow.01:10:07.038 --> 01:10:07.234


Five 50.01:10:07.309 --> 01:10:08.689


So we're almost double Right.01:10:08.689 --> 01:10:09.469


In 10 years.01:10:09.529 --> 01:10:09.889


Right.01:10:09.889 --> 01:10:13.519


And our population's only increased by 6.7% or 7.2%.01:10:13.519 --> 01:10:14.088


Right.01:10:14.149 --> 01:10:14.838


Wow.01:10:14.838 --> 01:10:16.338


So we're asking our citizens well, and01:10:16.338 --> 01:10:19.819


inflation supposedly has been two to 5% during that time01:10:19.998 --> 01:10:20.269


mostly.01:10:20.389 --> 01:10:24.139


And so we can't keep asking our citizens to keep paying more on taxes.01:10:24.229 --> 01:10:24.288


No.01:10:24.618 --> 01:10:40.248


So, uh, another project that I would like to see the city was gungho and the current, um, council was gungho on rental license insurers and registration, but they miscalculated the cost of that by$8 million based on my proforma.01:10:40.248 --> 01:10:40.639


I did.01:10:40.698 --> 01:10:41.269


What's that now?01:10:41.509 --> 01:10:45.229


So they thought they could do a rental, re, or licensure program, like short01:10:45.229 --> 01:10:46.069


term rentals and stuff?01:10:46.069 --> 01:10:46.279


No,01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:48.708


like every rental in Fort Collins had be licensed.01:10:48.918 --> 01:10:49.469


Oh, right, right, right.01:10:49.548 --> 01:10:54.078


They could, they thought they could do an inspection on each of those rentals for$49 an inspection,01:10:55.639 --> 01:10:56.118


spending 1001:10:56.149 --> 01:10:57.439


years as a realtor.01:10:57.439 --> 01:10:58.458


As a realtor of the year.01:10:58.458 --> 01:10:58.729


Right.01:10:58.729 --> 01:10:59.088


Yeah.01:10:59.088 --> 01:10:59.269


That.01:11:00.078 --> 01:11:09.198


And I, so I went through and I reached out to other cities that had licensure programs and they're all spending three to 4 million or three, three to 400 per inspection.01:11:09.259 --> 01:11:09.588


Right.01:11:09.889 --> 01:11:12.649


Plus they're all running a deficit of millions of dollars.01:11:12.708 --> 01:11:12.918


Right.01:11:12.918 --> 01:11:13.548


On the program.01:11:13.578 --> 01:11:13.969


So even01:11:13.969 --> 01:11:14.748


having that,01:11:14.809 --> 01:11:15.139


yeah.01:11:15.198 --> 01:11:17.748


And when I kept asking, well, what's the benefit?01:11:17.809 --> 01:11:19.038


They're like, let's health and safety.01:11:19.819 --> 01:11:20.958


No, that's not as,01:11:20.958 --> 01:11:22.309


but the market will figure that out.01:11:22.338 --> 01:11:22.519


Yeah.01:11:22.578 --> 01:11:27.498


Like for the most part, if there's a slumlord, the market will be like, Hey, this guy's a slum Lord.01:11:27.498 --> 01:11:27.559


So01:11:27.588 --> 01:11:29.389


now we have registration that's,01:11:29.389 --> 01:11:35.328


so how many staff in Fort Collins are associated with rental registration Three program?01:11:36.139 --> 01:11:37.488


3.25 I think.01:11:37.548 --> 01:11:38.899


Just for the inspections?01:11:39.078 --> 01:11:41.298


Yeah, just for the, the whole program right now.01:11:41.389 --> 01:11:41.988


Oh, that's the whole program.01:11:41.988 --> 01:11:43.908


So I was able to stop the licensure program.01:11:43.908 --> 01:11:45.168


Just Okay.01:11:45.168 --> 01:11:51.109


I gave, I gave, whenever I was on that task force, I was able to get'em to not do the license, just a registration.01:11:52.519 --> 01:11:54.378


But that program's not self sustainable.01:11:54.529 --> 01:11:54.859


Right.01:11:55.368 --> 01:11:56.059


It's not paying for it.01:11:56.059 --> 01:11:56.359


It's hard to01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:57.859


say if the benefit's even there.01:11:57.889 --> 01:11:58.189


Yeah.01:11:58.219 --> 01:11:58.399


Right.01:11:58.399 --> 01:11:58.819


We might.01:11:59.238 --> 01:12:04.038


Pay for way more cost than the benefit to the community of Fort Collins is01:12:04.069 --> 01:12:04.488


correct.01:12:04.939 --> 01:12:14.149


Uh, so they have all these policies and laws and regulations that's been passed that cost money to enforce but doesn't do anything.01:12:14.389 --> 01:12:14.479


Right.01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:17.509


The fire pit ban in people's backyards where you can't have a fire pit.01:12:17.509 --> 01:12:17.689


Yeah.01:12:17.689 --> 01:12:17.698


Yeah.01:12:18.019 --> 01:12:20.238


That's another unenforceable01:12:20.389 --> 01:12:21.019


after 10.01:12:21.078 --> 01:12:22.519


Or you can't do it more at all Yeah.01:12:22.519 --> 01:12:23.298


After 10.01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:23.479


Right.01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:28.128


And then it had to be 15 feet from a, a fence and if your short term rentals not at all.01:12:28.128 --> 01:12:29.238


And all these regulations.01:12:29.389 --> 01:12:29.604


Right, right.01:12:29.838 --> 01:12:33.889


And even the police said, yeah, we're not gonna enforce that, um, because it's unenforceable.01:12:34.128 --> 01:12:36.198


Um, and they can't.01:12:36.198 --> 01:12:39.048


So they, we have programs and things that just.01:12:39.378 --> 01:12:40.069


They don't work.01:12:40.099 --> 01:12:40.458


Right.01:12:41.054 --> 01:12:42.769


Also, we need to stop.01:12:42.798 --> 01:12:46.849


Uh, I wanna see us completely get rid of the two year.01:12:46.849 --> 01:12:51.198


I want to still stick on a biannual budget, but get rid of the budget for outcomes.01:12:51.649 --> 01:12:54.859


We spend millions of dollars on the budget for outcome process.01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:57.439


It takes so long to develop01:12:57.469 --> 01:13:01.548


quota to like try to score how the outcomes were of all these various spending things.01:13:01.548 --> 01:13:01.609


So01:13:01.668 --> 01:13:04.128


our staff at the city designate, it's like an exercise01:13:04.128 --> 01:13:04.819


and exercise.01:13:04.849 --> 01:13:05.118


Yeah.01:13:05.328 --> 01:13:14.479


They do amazing job building these plans, but then they spend the next year putting together these buzzer proposals that takes'em six months and hundreds, if not thousands of man hours.01:13:14.509 --> 01:13:14.929


Sure.01:13:15.168 --> 01:13:21.798


That's, if we cut that and making a more simplified two year budget cycle, like 95% of other cities.01:13:21.798 --> 01:13:21.948


But we01:13:21.948 --> 01:13:23.689


still wanna track outcomes though, right?01:13:23.689 --> 01:13:26.543


We do, but not on the front end of making,01:13:26.748 --> 01:13:29.509


not on the front end and not in the way that.01:13:30.048 --> 01:13:37.488


We're, we're spending, we're probably spending, I, I'm estimating tens of thousands of hours that's wasted in employee time.01:13:37.493 --> 01:13:37.524


That's01:13:37.524 --> 01:13:37.604


a lot.01:13:37.604 --> 01:13:37.724


Wow.01:13:37.788 --> 01:13:37.939


That's01:13:37.939 --> 01:13:41.569


ton at, let's say 30 bucks an hour on average, 40 bucks an hour on average,01:13:42.229 --> 01:13:44.538


whatever that is a we're about or 5 million millions of dollars.01:13:44.543 --> 01:13:44.724


Yeah.01:13:44.724 --> 01:13:44.884


Yeah.01:13:44.889 --> 01:13:45.198


Yeah.01:13:45.198 --> 01:13:45.288


And01:13:45.288 --> 01:13:48.979


then on the revenue side, we need to get businesses to stay here.01:13:49.729 --> 01:13:50.088


Right.01:13:50.179 --> 01:13:51.708


We need to track businesses.01:13:51.708 --> 01:13:55.429


We can't let another Sentara leave and go down 11.01:13:55.488 --> 01:13:58.338


We can't let Walmart and another Costco and we01:13:58.338 --> 01:14:00.469


can't let Old Town suffer.01:14:00.498 --> 01:14:00.769


No.01:14:01.158 --> 01:14:05.599


If Old Town would turn city of Fort Collins would be really hosed.01:14:06.168 --> 01:14:06.559


Hosed.01:14:07.488 --> 01:14:09.649


And there's things that we could do that imp improve our revenue.01:14:10.939 --> 01:14:12.769


New belgium's, our biggest tourist draw.01:14:12.948 --> 01:14:13.099


Yeah.01:14:13.099 --> 01:14:15.259


With well over a hundred to 150,000 people.01:14:15.288 --> 01:14:15.349


Okay.01:14:15.349 --> 01:14:16.069


That comes to New Belgium.01:14:16.128 --> 01:14:16.248


Yep.01:14:16.253 --> 01:14:16.404


Yep.01:14:16.609 --> 01:14:24.559


That corridor along Linden, we can improve that corridors and make it a mixed use and amplify that tourism thing and see that tourism dollars come in.01:14:24.564 --> 01:14:24.804


Yeah.01:14:24.809 --> 01:14:25.069


Yeah.01:14:25.099 --> 01:14:26.418


Um, so we need to track.01:14:26.779 --> 01:14:28.338


This goes back to the green energy thing.01:14:28.338 --> 01:14:31.814


It's attract businesses that will spend money and people.01:14:31.814 --> 01:14:31.934


Yeah.01:14:31.939 --> 01:14:33.168


And they don't need big footprints.01:14:33.198 --> 01:14:33.408


No.01:14:33.798 --> 01:14:38.988


And then we also need to big offices make it easier, uh, to live here too.01:14:39.469 --> 01:14:44.088


Uh, our, we're losing tax revenue'cause people are living because they can't afford here.01:14:44.088 --> 01:14:44.179


Yeah.01:14:44.179 --> 01:14:46.338


As a realtor, I sold more, they moved to Eden.01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:46.548


Yeah.01:14:46.548 --> 01:14:49.729


I sold more properties in Greeley and severance than I did in Fort Collins.01:14:49.729 --> 01:14:50.929


'cause no one could afford Fort Collins.01:14:50.929 --> 01:14:51.139


Yep.01:14:51.378 --> 01:14:54.498


So now they're spending all their tax revenue in severance in Windsor.01:14:54.498 --> 01:14:54.588


Right.01:14:54.828 --> 01:14:55.429


Seeing those cities.01:14:55.429 --> 01:14:55.548


Well,01:14:55.819 --> 01:14:56.448


I talked about that.01:14:56.599 --> 01:14:59.779


Surely when you order online from Amazon or something.01:15:00.979 --> 01:15:01.609


Yes.01:15:01.998 --> 01:15:04.158


The, the local community still gets those dollars.01:15:04.163 --> 01:15:06.168


But if you're ordering online from severance,01:15:06.259 --> 01:15:06.559


no.01:15:06.618 --> 01:15:07.819


Then they get it.01:15:08.208 --> 01:15:08.599


They get it.01:15:08.599 --> 01:15:12.889


And most people spend, you know, and if they were driving to Fort College to buy it instead, then they would've got it there.01:15:13.069 --> 01:15:17.868


And 80 people spend about 80, 85% of all the money within two miles where they live.01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:18.529


Right.01:15:18.529 --> 01:15:19.878


That's in ca that's including housing.01:15:20.118 --> 01:15:20.509


Wow.01:15:20.569 --> 01:15:21.319


So they spend.01:15:21.679 --> 01:15:22.338


Almost all their money.01:15:22.338 --> 01:15:24.408


They don't spend it where they work, they spend it where they live.01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:24.588


Yeah.01:15:25.038 --> 01:15:33.738


As we need more people to be able to afford to live in Fort Collins and not commute to also those, that commuting timeframe and negatively impacts our budget.01:15:33.738 --> 01:15:35.269


'cause it costs more to maintain the roads.01:15:35.538 --> 01:15:35.868


Sure.01:15:36.048 --> 01:15:37.519


It costs more for traffic policing.01:15:37.609 --> 01:15:40.578


It costs more for insurance for, uh, paramedics.01:15:41.059 --> 01:15:46.189


It also, uh, puts more negative, uh, air quality carbon stuff's going on.01:15:46.338 --> 01:15:49.609


So it's like a triple negative to how people not live here.01:15:50.029 --> 01:15:51.529


So we need to.01:15:51.738 --> 01:15:58.009


And so, uh, it goes with like building condos, building housing, different housing things, attracting new businesses.01:15:58.429 --> 01:16:00.529


What do you think about BlackRock owning all the houses?01:16:01.219 --> 01:16:09.708


I, so I'm pushing an, an initiative and narrative to, um, build more for sale condos strictly for owner occupied.01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:10.429


Mm.01:16:10.429 --> 01:16:10.729


Okay.01:16:10.819 --> 01:16:13.458


Um, there's a ratio and we're close to it.01:16:13.458 --> 01:16:17.118


Like if you get over 50% of your population rents in your own city.01:16:17.854 --> 01:16:22.474


Um, you start seeing a, a decline in home values community.01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:23.248


Just interaction.01:16:23.248 --> 01:16:23.328


Yeah.01:16:23.328 --> 01:16:23.854


Just actual investment in01:16:23.854 --> 01:16:24.394


being here.01:16:24.453 --> 01:16:24.753


Yeah.01:16:24.783 --> 01:16:26.253


'cause you're not permanently here.01:16:26.314 --> 01:16:26.524


Yeah.01:16:26.524 --> 01:16:28.083


And we're at like 49%.01:16:28.234 --> 01:16:28.654


Wow.01:16:28.863 --> 01:16:30.243


Which is, we're hired'cause of the college.01:16:30.243 --> 01:16:31.083


That's, that's normal.01:16:31.203 --> 01:16:31.444


Yeah.01:16:31.503 --> 01:16:34.234


Um, but we really need increase ownership,01:16:34.234 --> 01:16:35.404


but so many more.01:16:35.404 --> 01:16:46.323


Like there was hardly any families with two kids that rented a house when I was, you know, in my early thirties for example and stuff, everybody found a way to buy something.01:16:46.323 --> 01:16:48.453


They bought a crappy little town home or whatever.01:16:49.323 --> 01:16:51.088


But now that a lot of'em can't, you know,01:16:51.088 --> 01:16:54.844


and we were, you know, in our thirties, uh, and twenties, um.01:16:55.234 --> 01:17:00.634


Before the building Defects law came about in 2008, we saw about an 80 20 build.01:17:00.663 --> 01:17:05.404


80% single family is 20% condos for sale condos and attached units, which is healthy.01:17:05.764 --> 01:17:15.243


Since 2008 we saw, we've seen a 97 3%, 97% single family homes built in the state, 3% attached.01:17:15.694 --> 01:17:23.073


And if you saw from like, let's say 2012 to 2020, all the attached units were those million dollar row housing.01:17:23.344 --> 01:17:23.644


Right.01:17:23.793 --> 01:17:25.774


Because what would happen?01:17:25.774 --> 01:17:26.524


Oh wow.01:17:26.673 --> 01:17:26.974


I had01:17:26.974 --> 01:17:30.033


no idea that we had just completely stopped building condos01:17:30.033 --> 01:17:30.663


and the reason of it.01:17:30.663 --> 01:17:30.963


So they just01:17:30.963 --> 01:17:31.984


built apartments instead.01:17:32.014 --> 01:17:33.753


'cause the liability is too high to build a condo01:17:33.783 --> 01:17:36.993


because liability insurance in 2008, on average about$500 a unit.01:17:37.533 --> 01:17:39.663


By 20 20 12, it was over 30,000.01:17:39.993 --> 01:17:40.654


Wow.01:17:41.014 --> 01:17:47.194


And because the, there was over 70, 75% of all condom projects with no litigation.01:17:47.463 --> 01:17:48.003


Wow.01:17:48.064 --> 01:17:50.373


There's a pro down in Denver that.01:17:50.673 --> 01:17:55.173


The litigation increased their, uh, the cost of the project by a billion dollars.01:17:55.713 --> 01:17:56.253


Oh my God.01:17:56.673 --> 01:17:58.203


And so that's crazy.01:17:58.203 --> 01:17:59.793


If you're insurance company Yeah.01:17:59.823 --> 01:18:00.543


You're not gonna build it.01:18:00.543 --> 01:18:00.604


Yeah.01:18:00.663 --> 01:18:02.524


If you're a developer, you're not gonna build it.01:18:03.003 --> 01:18:04.173


And so that01:18:04.323 --> 01:18:04.743


Right.01:18:04.743 --> 01:18:07.384


That any capital source for that is like by,01:18:08.344 --> 01:18:11.224


so the vacuum was filled by, um,01:18:12.724 --> 01:18:13.173


apartments.01:18:13.203 --> 01:18:13.293


Yeah.01:18:13.293 --> 01:18:13.774


One of these.01:18:14.703 --> 01:18:16.113


No, but, okay.01:18:16.113 --> 01:18:16.594


Thank you though.01:18:17.823 --> 01:18:20.104


Oh God, that looks so scary.01:18:20.764 --> 01:18:22.113


Uh, I just, for the record,01:18:22.113 --> 01:18:23.734


wanna say, Paul, I dislike you.01:18:26.373 --> 01:18:29.554


I just touched a little bit and licked it off my hand.01:18:29.944 --> 01:18:32.703


So the first time I had this sauce, I was at, oh my God.01:18:32.884 --> 01:18:36.363


I was at like, literally, it was like a spec size amount.01:18:36.453 --> 01:18:36.844


Keep going.01:18:37.264 --> 01:18:43.293


I, I was at Paul's place, Matador Matador, and I, and I gave it just the back of a spoon.01:18:44.179 --> 01:18:45.288


And I put the spoon down.01:18:45.859 --> 01:18:51.259


I stood up, walked next door to Coldstone Creamery, bought some ice cream, bottom ice cream.01:18:51.259 --> 01:18:52.488


I stuck, just stuck my tongue in it.01:18:55.069 --> 01:18:55.849


I don't doubt it.01:18:56.748 --> 01:19:03.378


Um, I'm, I'm gonna just do the tiniest, you have to do extra this, I'll do extra because you're, you're a, you're a man.01:19:03.514 --> 01:19:04.488


I'm, I'm a wimp.01:19:05.238 --> 01:19:06.259


No, I'm just not smart.01:19:06.259 --> 01:19:08.988


When people ask like, why I'm running for office, I was like, I have a head injury.01:19:10.429 --> 01:19:11.389


I didn't dab that.01:19:11.389 --> 01:19:13.488


I'm gonna get rid of some of this on this other guy.01:19:13.819 --> 01:19:14.779


Oh, that's get off of there.01:19:14.988 --> 01:19:15.769


That's a lot right01:19:15.769 --> 01:19:16.099


there.01:19:24.618 --> 01:19:25.939


I noticed you didn't double dip though.01:19:26.599 --> 01:19:27.979


No, but I got a healthy amount.01:19:28.099 --> 01:19:28.519


You did.01:19:33.229 --> 01:19:35.929


So this one's called you, you called it O Loft.01:19:35.929 --> 01:19:37.338


I, I heard O Loft.01:19:37.368 --> 01:19:38.088


That may right.01:19:38.088 --> 01:19:38.269


But.01:19:39.064 --> 01:19:40.594


Would you know the heritage?01:19:40.713 --> 01:19:45.543


No, I just know that comes from Paul and01:19:45.873 --> 01:19:47.314


Oh, and some kinda a show or something.01:19:47.854 --> 01:19:48.783


I thought it was right.01:19:49.564 --> 01:19:54.514


Well, I, I think of Olaf as like a big Viking dude that will cut my head off with a big sword.01:19:54.904 --> 01:19:57.814


I thought it was a play on the Olaf, the from Frozen.01:19:57.814 --> 01:19:58.173


Oh, yeah,01:19:58.203 --> 01:19:58.654


yeah, yeah.01:19:58.654 --> 01:19:59.253


You mentioned that.01:19:59.283 --> 01:20:00.498


I thought it was that, but I'm not sure.01:20:00.498 --> 01:20:01.923


Oh, that's what, uh, that's what Ava said.01:20:01.984 --> 01:20:02.854


She confirmed it.01:20:03.304 --> 01:20:03.514


Oh.01:20:03.724 --> 01:20:08.583


Uh, so it's, I don't know what frozen, I mean, I've seen Frozen, but I don't, I'm, I'm not good at that game.01:20:08.823 --> 01:20:11.014


I know lots of other stuff, but not movie scenes.01:20:11.463 --> 01:20:11.703


No worries.01:20:11.703 --> 01:20:12.814


Um, I'm dripping pretty good.01:20:13.354 --> 01:20:14.073


It is hot.01:20:14.134 --> 01:20:14.884


It builds,01:20:15.184 --> 01:20:22.173


um, nobody should request this or order it or God forbid jar it.01:20:22.179 --> 01:20:25.024


It just keeps, um, just keeps going.01:20:25.054 --> 01:20:29.073


But it's, it's actually not, it's good flavor.01:20:29.163 --> 01:20:35.493


It really is like, it has a nice, it almost reminds me of a little bit of.01:20:37.939 --> 01:20:43.248


Like molasses or something like kind of Cajun sweet.01:20:43.248 --> 01:20:43.548


Yeah.01:20:43.548 --> 01:20:45.319


Going on on the back end.01:20:45.319 --> 01:20:49.788


Like maybe some of that dark color is just a little dab of molasses to keep you from dying or something.01:20:49.788 --> 01:20:50.179


I don't know.01:20:50.269 --> 01:20:51.679


It builds on the back gland.01:20:51.684 --> 01:20:51.734


Yeah.01:20:51.738 --> 01:20:52.099


Yeah.01:20:52.099 --> 01:20:52.279


Like it's01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:53.088


back here.01:20:53.179 --> 01:20:53.359


Mm-hmm.01:20:54.529 --> 01:20:56.029


Every time I breathe out it gets hotter.01:20:58.368 --> 01:20:58.849


Yes.01:20:59.179 --> 01:20:59.868


That is true.01:21:00.618 --> 01:21:03.378


Um, the last question is the loco experience.01:21:03.498 --> 01:21:03.679


Okay.01:21:03.738 --> 01:21:07.998


And that is the craziest experience of your lifetime.01:21:08.418 --> 01:21:08.448


Okay.01:21:08.448 --> 01:21:10.338


That you're willing to share with our listeners.01:21:11.238 --> 01:21:14.929


Uh, you get extra points if it's, you know, near death or anything super crazy.01:21:14.929 --> 01:21:17.569


But it is death, death, death, death.01:21:18.498 --> 01:21:20.118


I was just looking at the scar on the side of your head.01:21:20.118 --> 01:21:20.899


It isn't that is it?01:21:20.899 --> 01:21:21.123


It is.01:21:21.128 --> 01:21:21.918


Is it related to that?01:21:21.948 --> 01:21:22.219


Yeah.01:21:22.639 --> 01:21:23.269


Um,01:21:23.269 --> 01:21:25.668


sorry, I didn't notice that before, just now.01:21:26.088 --> 01:21:27.349


No, it's, it's a running joke.01:21:27.349 --> 01:21:31.609


I use, uh, that the reason I'm running for office is'cause I have brain injury.01:21:32.884 --> 01:21:34.024


And I was like, what's your excuse?01:21:34.384 --> 01:21:38.404


Um, it's just, uh, being in politics is always fun.01:21:38.463 --> 01:21:46.774


Um, but uh, when I was 19, uh, back in oh three, I, uh, was dumb, decided to sit on the back of a car.01:21:46.774 --> 01:21:46.804


Okay.01:21:47.073 --> 01:21:52.113


Um, but he was driving, girlfriend was on the back, uh, the trunk of the car with me.01:21:52.264 --> 01:21:54.094


Oh, so you're just sitting and face him backwards and01:21:54.333 --> 01:21:54.543


Yeah.01:21:54.543 --> 01:21:56.493


Go and go play basketball over at Linton.01:21:56.793 --> 01:21:59.463


And, uh, buddy thought it'd be fun to goose it.01:21:59.854 --> 01:22:00.363


Oh shit.01:22:00.484 --> 01:22:05.404


And we hit, her and I both flew off, and I don't remember any of this.01:22:06.094 --> 01:22:09.394


Uh, I caught her and she was fine.01:22:09.394 --> 01:22:10.804


She ended up having like a scratch.01:22:10.984 --> 01:22:12.333


Uh, but I landed on my head.01:22:12.333 --> 01:22:12.753


You're both01:22:12.753 --> 01:22:14.253


falling off the back and you're like,01:22:14.314 --> 01:22:14.764


yeah.01:22:14.764 --> 01:22:19.654


And so I, uh, I ended up spending a couple days in a coma.01:22:20.043 --> 01:22:20.314


Oh, wow.01:22:20.314 --> 01:22:28.953


Um, I, from what I've been told, uh, on the operating table, had issues, um, I had family driving from.01:22:29.373 --> 01:22:29.974


Like issues,01:22:29.974 --> 01:22:30.604


like you're01:22:30.783 --> 01:22:32.434


probably not gonna make it kind of thing.01:22:32.434 --> 01:22:33.783


And stuff was going down.01:22:33.844 --> 01:22:35.163


My family, my family thought I was gonna make it.01:22:35.208 --> 01:22:35.498


Yeah.01:22:35.503 --> 01:22:35.734


Yeah.01:22:35.823 --> 01:22:44.404


Um, and so this is probably why I'm always so optimistically positive is I didn't, I didn't realize it by how many people came out.01:22:45.243 --> 01:22:47.613


Like in high school, I wasn't, I thought I was kind of popular.01:22:47.944 --> 01:22:48.333


Okay.01:22:48.573 --> 01:22:50.493


I did theater, not popular.01:22:50.524 --> 01:22:51.033


I was known.01:22:51.243 --> 01:22:51.484


Yeah.01:22:51.514 --> 01:22:52.113


I was a theater.01:22:52.113 --> 01:22:53.389


People knew that I was a goofball.01:22:54.069 --> 01:22:54.229


Yeah.01:22:54.248 --> 01:22:57.963


Uh, I mean, you literally had me cracking up before we started this podcast.01:22:57.963 --> 01:23:00.484


Like you could be a standup comic if you chose to.01:23:00.634 --> 01:23:01.743


I was, uh, I did.01:23:01.743 --> 01:23:04.894


I was Axus Swayze in the, uh, a Chippendales routine.01:23:04.894 --> 01:23:07.354


So I was in my underwear like three times in my singing in high school.01:23:08.194 --> 01:23:09.694


Was your physique similar?01:23:09.694 --> 01:23:12.873


No, I, I, I, I was Chris Harley a hundred percent even back then.01:23:13.083 --> 01:23:13.264


Okay.01:23:13.503 --> 01:23:17.194


Uh, but so, but how many people came out to the hospital?01:23:17.314 --> 01:23:22.054


And it was weird for me'cause I woke up a couple days later with no memory of what happened.01:23:22.113 --> 01:23:22.564


Wow.01:23:22.569 --> 01:23:22.748


And.01:23:23.988 --> 01:23:26.149


Um, so for me, I was like, I'm fine.01:23:26.418 --> 01:23:26.929


You know?01:23:27.078 --> 01:23:29.868


And you're, you're 40 something now or something?01:23:29.899 --> 01:23:30.498


Yeah, 41.01:23:30.618 --> 01:23:30.948


Okay.01:23:31.038 --> 01:23:33.259


So this was 20 years ago.01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:33.769


Yeah.01:23:33.769 --> 01:23:33.779


Yeah.01:23:34.038 --> 01:23:38.298


Uh, and so community came out, family drove up from Mississippi.01:23:38.298 --> 01:23:39.168


They flew in.01:23:39.168 --> 01:23:40.759


They thought they, they didn't think I was gonna make it.01:23:40.939 --> 01:23:41.208


Yeah.01:23:41.809 --> 01:23:47.509


Um, and surprisingly, I woke up, first thing I said when I woke up was like, well, I'm in the hospital.01:23:47.929 --> 01:23:49.458


Uh, and I asked my dad for a frosty.01:23:50.748 --> 01:23:53.809


And then I remember my mother telling to my dad, go get him.01:23:53.809 --> 01:23:56.029


A mother from Frosty.01:23:56.269 --> 01:23:59.748


Um, now he asked for a frosty go, him.01:23:59.748 --> 01:24:00.828


A frosty, frosty.01:24:01.158 --> 01:24:10.729


Um, and so after that, just, uh, and I was super fortunate because they had me do some rehab classes, um, things.01:24:10.819 --> 01:24:11.179


Sure.01:24:11.238 --> 01:24:12.469


Talking around people was like, serious.01:24:12.469 --> 01:24:12.679


But you01:24:12.679 --> 01:24:12.873


were like.01:24:13.894 --> 01:24:19.054


You were like probably a smart kid that turned into kind of not a very smart kid for a while probably, would you My guess?01:24:19.054 --> 01:24:19.444


Kind of,01:24:19.474 --> 01:24:19.833


yeah.01:24:19.833 --> 01:24:23.253


I was actually, I wasn't that best in school actually,01:24:23.314 --> 01:24:26.913


but because you fucked around too much and you were, Chris Farley ended up Yeah.01:24:26.913 --> 01:24:28.113


And writing comedy.01:24:28.384 --> 01:24:36.184


And I actually found that I became more, found my, my systems and my base after that a lot better.01:24:36.423 --> 01:24:37.533


Oh, interesting.01:24:37.953 --> 01:24:40.323


I became, I, I could never read it.01:24:40.323 --> 01:24:40.623


Right.01:24:40.684 --> 01:24:50.314


Uh, but I could understand for some reason that like I could read a policy and understand it and so now like my focus became a lot better.01:24:50.404 --> 01:24:50.613


Hmm.01:24:51.123 --> 01:24:55.113


Uh, and that's probably what shaped me being so policy driven now.01:24:55.173 --> 01:24:55.384


Yeah.01:24:55.384 --> 01:24:59.344


Is will you gimme a book, like a novel, a01:24:59.734 --> 01:25:01.984


Stephen King novel or something dumb.01:25:01.984 --> 01:25:03.873


I'm just three Speech to Win.01:25:03.873 --> 01:25:04.984


I'm like, I don't, I didn't get it.01:25:04.984 --> 01:25:05.224


Yeah.01:25:05.224 --> 01:25:05.234


Yeah.01:25:05.658 --> 01:25:09.439


You gave me a 2,500 page report from the EIS about the Glade Reservoir.01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.168


I'll read through it all and I'll understand 80% of it.01:25:12.378 --> 01:25:12.769


Wow.01:25:12.798 --> 01:25:13.639


I don't know why.01:25:14.538 --> 01:25:21.229


And so, uh, I so got outta the hospital and I I was so stubborn as a thir 19-year-old kid.01:25:21.798 --> 01:25:22.548


I was like, I'm fine.01:25:23.328 --> 01:25:24.618


I'll just go back to college.01:25:24.948 --> 01:25:25.639


I'll be fine.01:25:25.788 --> 01:25:26.088


Yeah.01:25:26.118 --> 01:25:26.418


Funny.01:25:26.479 --> 01:25:27.198


Uh, front range.01:25:27.198 --> 01:25:29.059


Put me on, uh, academic probation.01:25:29.088 --> 01:25:33.048


'cause I failed those three classes I was taking that summer whenever I had my head injury.01:25:33.349 --> 01:25:34.429


'cause I was in a coma.01:25:35.238 --> 01:25:35.689


Weird.01:25:35.988 --> 01:25:40.639


Um, so, but it couldn't, like my, I couldn't focus right afterwards.01:25:40.639 --> 01:25:44.238


And so, so that was the most impactful Well, yeah.01:25:44.418 --> 01:25:47.569


Part I was going through a career, probably in the restaurant business.01:25:47.809 --> 01:25:48.109


Okay.01:25:48.109 --> 01:25:52.309


Afterwards I got into sales, um, and I was really determined.01:25:52.309 --> 01:25:54.019


I had a speech impediment before.01:25:54.738 --> 01:25:55.368


My head injury.01:25:55.458 --> 01:25:55.908


Okay.01:25:55.908 --> 01:25:58.309


It was made significantly worse, or not significantly.01:25:58.309 --> 01:25:58.578


I thought I heard a01:25:58.578 --> 01:26:02.418


snippet of it earlier, just like a little, little tiny snip of it.01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:04.458


So I have to focus a little bit more when I speak.01:26:04.548 --> 01:26:04.729


Yeah.01:26:04.759 --> 01:26:05.509


Um huh.01:26:05.988 --> 01:26:10.338


And just to make sure, and I, it was from the hot sauce really, I think that activated01:26:10.548 --> 01:26:10.819


hot sauce.01:26:11.929 --> 01:26:19.368


Well, and I, in my head, I, I think I can say these larger words and I know what they mean, but then I try to say'em and it comes out as gobbly goop.01:26:20.088 --> 01:26:27.349


So like, man, you are incredibly well-spoken for somebody that's like overcome, uh, yeah.01:26:27.529 --> 01:26:28.819


Like a brain injury basically.01:26:28.819 --> 01:26:29.149


Right?01:26:29.149 --> 01:26:29.804


Like that's what you're telling me.01:26:30.934 --> 01:26:32.644


Kind of rehab from it, all that.01:26:32.673 --> 01:26:33.064


Yeah.01:26:33.394 --> 01:26:33.904


So yeah.01:26:33.904 --> 01:26:36.064


Very, very, um, very effective.01:26:36.154 --> 01:26:41.224


Uh, and I was lucky I was in rehabs with people that, that had huge physical challenges.01:26:41.229 --> 01:26:41.644


Sure, sure.01:26:41.644 --> 01:26:44.944


And it's taught me a lot of humility, a lot of humble, um, nature Yeah.01:26:44.944 --> 01:26:47.314


Realized on how community connected we are.01:26:47.373 --> 01:26:51.514


So, uh, that price started me on the path for the non-profits and helping out the community.01:26:51.514 --> 01:26:54.123


And so that was the most impactful find01:26:54.123 --> 01:26:54.724


for sure.01:26:54.904 --> 01:26:55.923


So a hundred percent.01:26:56.104 --> 01:26:56.344


Yeah.01:26:56.884 --> 01:26:59.224


Well, uh, thanks for sharing that story.01:26:59.224 --> 01:27:04.413


And, uh, we were talking about how in some ways you're kind of the, uh.01:27:05.269 --> 01:27:09.319


Kind of sneaky ranked choice voting potential here.01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:13.429


Like you might not be too many people's first choice, but you might be a lot of people's second choice.01:27:13.548 --> 01:27:13.609


Yeah.01:27:13.609 --> 01:27:15.618


And maybe especially after this shot.01:27:15.623 --> 01:27:18.229


So, so, and I was kind, you're not as known as some of the other candidates.01:27:18.378 --> 01:27:19.219


Not as known.01:27:19.219 --> 01:27:21.979


Um, you know, and I was part of the group that got us ranked choice voting.01:27:22.189 --> 01:27:23.868


I Oh, you were, I advocate for this.01:27:23.868 --> 01:27:26.899


Uh, a lot of people know me'cause they help get rid of u plus two.01:27:27.288 --> 01:27:27.738


Oh, good.01:27:28.458 --> 01:27:28.849


Thank you.01:27:29.029 --> 01:27:29.988


And then I, I've helped01:27:30.168 --> 01:27:32.179


write, I thought that was dumb since the first time I heard about it a01:27:32.238 --> 01:27:32.748


hundred percent.01:27:34.458 --> 01:27:35.298


So I got that passed.01:27:35.298 --> 01:27:38.988


And so, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm known in like the policy side.01:27:38.988 --> 01:27:40.668


The staff, city staff knows me.01:27:40.668 --> 01:27:41.059


They know me.01:27:41.059 --> 01:27:42.229


A couple people know me at the state.01:27:42.229 --> 01:27:44.448


I've, uh, helped get a couple bills passed at the state.01:27:45.288 --> 01:27:46.038


But this is weird.01:27:46.038 --> 01:27:48.259


I've always been behind the scene on the policy side.01:27:48.288 --> 01:27:48.623


Yeah, yeah.01:27:48.628 --> 01:27:51.588


Um, and now being kind of out in the front.01:27:51.774 --> 01:27:52.064


Yeah.01:27:52.064 --> 01:27:52.073


Yeah.01:27:52.073 --> 01:27:54.349


Um, getting that name, repetition.01:27:54.349 --> 01:27:57.679


But most people I can talk to, I can talk about any subject for anything.01:27:57.679 --> 01:27:57.828


And.01:27:58.444 --> 01:27:58.774


Dig it.01:27:58.774 --> 01:27:59.224


It's really fun.01:27:59.434 --> 01:28:00.753


Well, I've enjoyed our time together.01:28:00.753 --> 01:28:04.623


You look like you're, are you one of those guys that gets hiccups sometimes when they have hot sauce?01:28:04.713 --> 01:28:08.854


Uh, I haven't before, but Olaf is, you're thinking about getting some hiccups brewing here.01:28:08.974 --> 01:28:09.213


Olaf has, uh,01:28:10.953 --> 01:28:11.644


thanks Paul.01:28:11.644 --> 01:28:11.913


Thanks01:28:11.913 --> 01:28:12.394


Paul.01:28:12.993 --> 01:28:14.974


Well, Adam, I sure appreciated the time.01:28:15.604 --> 01:28:17.673


Thanks for being my guest and local experience.01:28:17.679 --> 01:28:17.819


Great.01:28:17.944 --> 01:28:20.073


Thanks for hosting so much and good luck in the election.01:28:20.104 --> 01:28:20.703


Thank you so much.01:28:20.734 --> 01:28:21.604


This has been a blast.01:28:21.604 --> 01:28:22.173


Thank you so much.01:28:22.264 --> 01:28:22.713


Good speed.01:28:22.833 --> 01:28:23.163


Thanks.