Oct. 10, 2025

BONUS EPISODE - Hot Nugs Conversation with Scott Van Tatenhove For Mayor of the City of Fort Collins

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Season 5

Scott VanTatenhove is a candidate for Fort Collins Mayor, and joined me for the fourth of our Hot Nugs Conversations - a collaboration between LoCo Think Tank, Matador Mexican Grill, Old Town Spice Shop, and The LoCo Experience Podcast.  

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Scott Van Taten Hove is a candidate for Fort Collins Mayor.

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And join me for the fourth of our hot Nugs conversations, a collaboration between Loco Think Tank, Matador, Mexican Grill, old Town Spice Shop, and the Loco Experience Podcast.

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Please visit Scott's Facebook page to learn more about his platform and make sure to vote by or before November 4th, 2025.

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Welcome back to the Loco Experience Podcast.

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We're here in a bonus episode, the Hot Nugs conversation series with the Fort Collins Mayor candidates, and today is with Scotty v Scott von Taten Hove and, uh,

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sounds so, so official when you say it like that.

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Well,

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you know, I put a little flyer into it.

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I usually get Van Tater tot van Tater tot Yes.

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I love tater tots.

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I mean, do you choose tater tots over french fries?

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Uh, as a normal thing?

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If it, if the option is there, yeah, if

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it's like, you know, if it's at.

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Uh, what's the place on Lynden Street?

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Poor brothers.

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Yeah.

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They've got a great tot Okay.

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Like, like if it's like a, at a restaurant and they're, they're kind of, but if it's just, you know, a bag of tots.

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But if you're just in South Dakota and they're like, do you want fries or tots with that fries?

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Really?

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Alright.

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I'll try not to judge.

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Yeah.

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I, I already let you by with the red glasses, but that's cool.

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So I just got a

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Well, they look nice.

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I've never had, I've never had glasses like this before.

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They fit your personality Nice.

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But I, we just met.

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I know, but that's people like me immediately.

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Oh, okay.

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It's a surprise to me when they don't.

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Wonderful.

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Um, but sometimes

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I'm surprised, I'm, I'm trying to look more mayoral.

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I don't know if you can see it, but I'm wearing a, like a jacket.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It looks like you got to the, at the thrift

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store.

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Probably.

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Uh, this one, I don't know, maybe.

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I like that.

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It's nice.

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I had a pair of pants with that same color in the fat pattern originally.

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The fat chords.

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You got the fat chord.

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Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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After, um, I was at the, the Clean Energy Forum at the Lyric Cinema, and I was wearing, I've been wearing my short shorts to every event.

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Okay.

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I even did a video.

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It was like, so everyone's talking about my shorts, so he and I did like a 30 minute just montage of mean short shorts.

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It'll go viral.

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It got.

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It got over a, for me, it did a thousand views.

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That's a little bit a thousand views is, is good for me.

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And it was just my shorts.

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Okay.

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We're gonna move on to the barbecue sauce.

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All right.

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Are you ready?

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I'd love to.

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Okay.

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Gentlemen, first, and we're, oh, and by the way, uh, double dip, but only if you flip.

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It's kind of the policy if you, yeah.

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Okay.

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So we'll have a nice little taste.

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I had a full round already with Tricia, so I'm probably just gonna do halves these and there's a trash can right here too.

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I also completely believe you that you just did this and so if you need to like not do a sauce.

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No, I'm gonna hit'em all.

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That's got good pepper.

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Yeah, it's like a black pepper.

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Soon as it hits the back of your throat and.

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Uh, yeah, like a black peppery mla,

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molasses.

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Oh, so you like licked it off and then you're going for the bite.

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It's an interesting strategy.

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I'll, I'll probably do that with all of them.

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Okay.

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'cause I wanna taste the,

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yeah, you don't want to get the other flavors in there.

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Mm-hmm.

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You don't wanna just kind of hit the.

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Hit the, uh,

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essence.

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Is that Yeah, if you'll, plus like you, you, I mean, you never, you never eat all the chicken on one of these, do you?

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I've never seen any of these, like the hot wings or hot ones or anything like that.

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I don't know

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if they do or not.

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Yeah, I assume

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not.

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Probably.

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Oh, alright.

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I mean, it seems like those, I like little.

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Teenage actresses they have on the show sometimes they could never eat.

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Eat chicken wigs.

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10.

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That's a lot, you know?

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Yeah.

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All right, so our first question is from Jam Merkley with Story Path Creative.

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What's your fondest story to share about the people or community of Fort Collins?

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The fondest.

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There's

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so many.

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The fondest, there's so many.

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When when I read this question, I was like, oh, from when I was, I could tell a story from like my elementary years when you were

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Sean's high school teacher.

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I was also Sean's high school teacher.

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So there's that whole era of like, me growing up in this town, 83 to 95.

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Okay.

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Uh, I spent, you know, every waking moment here and all that kinda stuff.

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So, uh, my mom had a pri, a small business on Lyndon Street.

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Okay.

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Uh, so I grew up kind of just skateboarding in Old Town Square.

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Uh.

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Learning, you know, to go to the right life and build a skateboard.

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Um, in 1988, we ke uh, Tony, Tony Hawk before it was cool.

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Then yeah, Tony Hawk came along with Kevin Staub and we had a Oh, wow.

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We had a skateboarder in this town by the name of Joe Johnson.

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Okay.

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He

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still lives around here.

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He lives in Loveland.

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Okay.

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Um, but he got signed to Vision.

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Vision, you know the, the skateboard company?

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Okay.

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It was like outta Southern California and he was a sponsored skater.

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And because he went on tour and was in Thrashing Magazine or Thrasher Magazine and everything like that, um, he brought Tony Hawk and Kevin Staub really, who are both.

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Huge in the skate world.

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Yeah.

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And brought them, and we did a skate festival in 1980.

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I'm thinking it's 87, summer of 87, right in front of the Lynden Hotel and Wright Life, and they shut down the street.

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This was decade.

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Wow.

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A decade before New West Fest or anything like that.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I mean.

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Just old town score was just turning around at that point.

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The first renovation was started probably, but that's it.

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Yeah.

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And they finished like com.

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Like they actually, when they tore the street out and made Linden Street a walking pedestrian mall, that, that, that finished around 83.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And then like, this was 87 and anything.

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Anything north of the walking pedestrian mall was like North College or North Fort Collins.

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Right.

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And Lyden Street.

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That's where my mom's store was.

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And that's also where the right life was.

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And then illegal Peets is the right there.

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That used to be the goodwill.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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I remember that.

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And that, and that just used to be kind.

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And the armadillo used to be where Sure.

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Yeah.

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So, so I really love that story of the skateboarders that came here.

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Huh.

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Ing you know, Joe Johnson.

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And there was, where did

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they skate?

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They, we built a halfpipe Oh really?

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Halfpipe ramp right there in front on Lyden Street.

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Uh, the kids built it.

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There's video of it on YouTube.

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It's the best we, there was a huge skate competition right in front of the Goodwill.

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That's really cool.

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Uh, and then there was, that was

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Fort Collins really punching above its weight at the time.

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It very much so.

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Cool factor.

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And the cool factor.

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If you grew up here and you knew skaters and you knew the punk rock scene.

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The hardcore punk rock scene, uh, knew about this place before any, any hipster or any anybody that had money and was drawn to the support that this town would do for, for traveling, uh, hardcore punk bands,

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really.

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So there's a reason why the descendants moved here and live here.

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Um, or at least mo several of them.

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Not the entire band, but the, and then the formation of the blasting room studios, which is one of the most, if not the, you know, top.

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Recording studio for punk rock in the country.

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Oh, and it's right down here next to, I could probably say Stodgy Brewing.

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And you'd know that

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I used to go to the punk rock band in Morehead, Minnesota.

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Oh, uh, Ralph's.

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It was, well it was punk rock in the back, gay bar up front.

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Sweet.

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And you could smoke weed and play pool in the pool room.

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Oh, that's cool.

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And so I hung out in the pool room mostly, but went to the punk shows some.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, yeah, that was my experience with punk was mostly adjacent to that room.

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Cool.

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While it was going on, so.

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Yeah.

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But, um, like I was saying before, the interesting, yeah.

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I had no punk, punk rock bands would come here because even if they were playing Denver Yeah.

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They would come through Fort Cols because they had a place to sleep.

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They would get food, uh, they would from just other

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punk bands in the neighborhood.

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Other punk.

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Yeah.

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Other and venues and whatever.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that's carried on today.

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That tradition is still here.

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You go to Music City Hot Chicken.

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Sure.

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And you talk to the owners of Mu Music City Hot Chicken.

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They'll talk about how they do that.

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They continue that, that if you're a touring band and you know you don't have anything to eat and you're coming through Fort Collins, you call up Music City Hot Chicken.

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Oh, is that right?

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That's cool.

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Yeah.

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And cool.

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That's kind of one of those things that this town has always kind of done.

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Well, they used to

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have a, a food truck.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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after leaving banking, and it was always my policy that the band eats free

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Yeah.

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At Bear's Backyard Grill.

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Yep.

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If I was at Paddler's Pub or other venues where there was music, like the band eats free.

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That's great.

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You gotta do it.

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Because they're

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probably poorer than I am, even though

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I'm really poor.

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Yep.

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And that's one of the big, uh, things in this town is the music.

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And we'll probably get to that as well, but that, that first experience has gotta be that skateboard ramp with Tony Hawk, Joe Johnson.

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Dig it.

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Kevin Staub and every kid was there.

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Yeah.

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And we can all remember it.

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And it's pretty amazing.

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That's pretty

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cool.

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The, uh, next one is the, um, Buffalo Rub, the dry rub from Old Town Spice Shop.

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Yeah, I, I don't want to please gentlemen first just want to get

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it on there.

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Okay.

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Oh yeah, that's good.

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That's a good one.

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So I'm gonna go tongue first.

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Like a fruit spice, like a sweet.

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The smoke didn't come in until the end, until I just got smoke.

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Yeah.

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But there's almost like a, and I think the color is throwing me, it's almost like a, A bright sweet carrot or something like that.

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Yeah.

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It looks like turmeric or something almost.

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Oh,

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there it is.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, turmeric.

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But it does, to me at least, have nice, like Frank's flavor profile as well.

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Once it settles in a little bit.

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Yeah.

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It's like a mustard heat.

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Yeah.

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It's not so much a like, and it's still kind of black pepper.

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We really haven't gotten into any, like, schal units or anything like that.

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No, no.

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We're

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just, uh, we're just introducing Yeah.

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New flavors to ourselves here.

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Yeah, that's good.

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The, uh, second question is from Paul Meador Mexican Grill.

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What is your plan to help support small businesses to start and grow?

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Uh.

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Shut up and listen, that's probably the best advice I could tell anyone to talk when you're talking to a business owner in this town.

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Shut up and listen.

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Let'em tell you their perspective.

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It's if it's gonna come from, you know, liquor licensing and capacity stuff.

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Know, being able to know what direction you can help.

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That business owner get through this, the bureaucratic system of this city, you know, if, if they're So navigation support is part of, yeah.

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Being able to know'cause

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uh, you know, and what do you hear when you shut up and listen to business owners on the campaign trail?

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What are you hearing from them that they need?

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Don't try to solve a problem that isn't there.

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Hmm.

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Okay.

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I like that.

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Don't try to solve a problem that isn't there.

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An exercise?

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An exercise, yeah.

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Don't put up parking meters.

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In a downtown that doesn't need them right now.

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Okay?

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Don't take away parking spots in a plan to build affordable housing and not replace those parking spots for the public to come.

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Each one of those spots is worth a.

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Over a million dollars each year.

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When I was on the transportation board, uh, for the city back in, uh, geez, it must have been like 2010, uh, we did a, we had a study done of how, what is the value of, of a parking spot in downtown because the police were starting to.

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Take, gobble them up for their little substations and things like that.

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Okay.

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There were a lot of complaints and so we, we did, we had an outside firm did it, and I, I, I'm totally paraphrasing'cause it's been, but I remember the number being over a million dollars for the value that that parking spot has for the downtown business over close of a year.

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And it makes sense.

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Uh, when my mom had encore consignment on Lynden Street, we lost all parking on Lynden Street for, for a whole summer.

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And it's happened several times since.

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Sure.

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And it killed the business.

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We could, we had to, we had to shut it down.

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And my dad still worked at Hewlett Packard, so that he was an HP guy.

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This was kind of like my mom's, you know, fun project for Fort Collins and loved it and she just absolutely loved it.

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But yeah, losing parking and losing that access that, that easy, quick access that we still have kind of need in this town.

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And you can try to force the multimodal transportation ideas, but.

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You can force it, but I don't think it'll work very well.

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Yeah.

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I do notice, like,'cause I'm basically a downtown person.

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Yeah.

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I, I live six blocks west of the old town.

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I work eight blocks east of Old Town.

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I go through Old Town and stop in Old Town all the time and there's a big parts of the days when the on street parking isn't very full.

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Yeah.

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Um, and so it's an interesting, you know, maybe it's a, yeah.

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I, I, I, I also love downtown.

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I'm there all the time with Foco MX and the music scene that I've been a part of for so long.

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Yeah.

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Uh, I worked at Elliot's for, for 14 years.

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That's where I met my wife.

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Uh, and you know, so I've always gone downtown, but I've never lived anywhere near it, ever.

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And, and since 1983,

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would you have been persuaded not to come downtown if it cost you to park while you were there?

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It would, it would emerge as part of the equation.

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Yeah.

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But I don't think it's a deciding factor, but it's definitely a part of the equation.

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So I think we should move on.

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Okay.

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This one is the honey jalapeno I believe from, um, oh, can I look at the, yeah, please.

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I dunno if I believe that you should, you can make sure I'm telling you right.

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Honey.

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Jalapeno sauce.

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From Matador.

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From

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Matador.

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So please enjoy the first, uh, yes.

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Dip, dip and lick.

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That's, I wasn't gonna say it.

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I just don't wanna like lick my lips in the microphone.

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'cause I hate that sound.

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No, you just did it.

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That is, that is like tasty.

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I'd put that on eggs.

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Really?

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It's got a sweet, like scrambled eggs.

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Yeah.

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It's got a sweetness to it.

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Yeah.

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That is pretty, you know, it the, the textile of the syrup, like the tactile feel of syrup.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, kind of.

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Hides heat.

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Yeah.

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And so the heat doesn't really come until the, that kind of syrup has kind of left your tongue.

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Yep.

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And then it's jalapeno, so I know it's gonna be more of a kind of a brighter, greener spice.

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Yeah.

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That's a little bit more palatable.

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And it's not, you're not fighting it yet.

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Yeah.

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You can still enjoy this flavor if you're used to it.

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My mom thinks ketchup is spicy, so this, this may have put her right in the hospital, like she would've stuck an EpiPen right in her heart, even though she doesn't need it.

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But I think it's pretty good.

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I love my mom.

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Hi mom.

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Last night, uh, I made, uh, German sausages with sauerkraut and potatoes and just German sausage.

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There's like, like a kielbasa.

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Oh, bratwurst style Bratwurst.

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Yeah, but like a beaver style whatever.

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Um, oh yeah.

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Anyway, my exchange student Sarah, ate one of the potatoes, like.

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Right off and burned her mouth and she said the potato tried to kill me Anyway, it was funny.

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Happy there.

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Do you we, that's something we need is more German food in Fort Collins.

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Well, we've got the new, uh, schnitzels, oh, what's it called?

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Yeah, the, the Schnitzels Snyder Schnitzels Station.

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Schneider Schnitzels.

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And that's the, he used to own Moss.

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Former mos.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I know that, I know that story behind there.

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And, you know, before it was mo's, that that one spot was also Lucille's.

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Before that it was Plank.

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Oh,

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is that

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right?

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Oh, yeah, Mike, I didn't know it was Lucille's before that.

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Oh,

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no, not Lucille's.

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It was Fiona's or something like it was another Southern.

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Style.

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I remember playing Lucille's Has, Lucille's has always been by blanket.

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What was the guy's

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name that did Plank?

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Patrick Ligans.

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Yes.

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Hey Patrick, if you're listening.

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Yeah.

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Where's my$10,000?

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Oh.

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We'll move on.

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Um, from former Mayor, mayor Emeritus, Wade Troxel, uh, Fort Collins has been described as the choice city known for beers, bikes, and bands, and more.

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What's your vision for the evolving brand?

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What could Fort Collins be in 30 years from now?

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That's interesting.

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So, Fort Collins, the choice City of beer.

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Bands.

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Well, we're the tri city of Colorado.

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Yeah, I know.

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But the way you, but then we're also known for beers, bike bands.

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Yeah.

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But I, I

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just caught something.

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You, it's like we're combining it, you know, like

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No, those are a couple of our brands.

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Yeah, I know historically, but,

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oh yeah.

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I, when I was in, when I was in, uh, ninth grade, I wrote a letter to the editor of the Colorado and, uh, in against, uh, amendment two, which was the basically legalized discrimination.

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Housing and in working in hiring against homosexuals in the state of Colorado, and it got put into our state constitution,

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okay?

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In 1991, it was eventually found.

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Uh, unconstitutional by the Interesting, by the Supreme Court.

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Interesting.

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I didn't know anything about that.

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And

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so there was a big pro Amendment two anti amendment two in the early nineties here in Fort College.

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Okay.

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All right.

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And the very first le like civic engagement that I've ever, I ever did is, um, I.

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Uh, I was in a class at Fort Collins High School as my teacher was Rick Nelson, and he offered, you know, what do you do if there's a social issue that you're upset about?

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Yeah.

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And he was my history teacher, so it wasn't quite a, you know.

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Yeah.

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You know, and so he said, write a letter to the editor of the, of the Colorado and.

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Okay.

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I was like, you can do that as a kid.

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So I like printed one up off of my, you know, computer at the time.

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Yeah, your brother typewriter.

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The dot matrix, you know, you know, printed it up.

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I put it in an envelope, uh, mailed it to the Colorado and in like two, two weeks go by and it, and it gets published.

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Okay.

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And it says, and I ended it with, now I know why you want to call it the choice city.

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You want to choose whoever you want to let in.

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Hmm.

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Interesting.

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And I was like.

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That's clever.

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I was in 10th grade.

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Uh, I was obviously against the, the amendment.

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Sure.

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It did pass.

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And it was one of those, like also like a big, it was like how could people, oh, think it's okay to discriminate against homosexuals for the purposes of employment and.

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In housing.

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I just didn't, I didn't

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get it.

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I had no, I'd never heard of this before.

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And I think a lot of, and that's because I'm a product of Fort Collins, is like, you don't, you don't even think that that's a possibility in the here and now.

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You only hear about it in textbooks or in history class, but this idea of like, oh, it's happening and it's happening right now.

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That was really my first experience with that too.

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And you feel that now, and particularly with young people.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Well, even when I moved to Colorado.

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I'm from North Dakota, and when I would go home to visit, I would have people say things like, oh yeah, I've known a lot of people that moved to Colorado.

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They always come home with their tail between their legs.

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Oh.

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cause it costs so much to live there.

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And that was late nineties.

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Yeah.

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Um, and it was true.

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You know, I got a$2,000 a year raise and my rent went up$500 a month.

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Yeah.

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When I moved here already, back then.

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It is, it is so difficult.

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And my, my experience of living here on my own without being at my parents' house has been entirely as a public school educator.

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Hmm.

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I be, I, I became a teacher right outta my college years.

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So I wanna shift it into that, uh, forward looking so.

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If it's not Choice City, it's maybe it's, maybe it is.

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Maybe, oh yeah, maybe it in beers, bike bands.

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But what, what would think we'll to it?

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What would you invest in becoming known as in the future?

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Then?

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I

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think that's what we're writing right now is what's the next, what's the next, uh, brand?

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Yeah.

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We're really in a brand transition period when we're think, so we're moving away from the old guard that, that.

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And let me say one thing.

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We have to acknowledge that we're standing on the shoulders of giants.

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We are very lucky to be in a community with the problems we have, right?

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I mean, we are fighting, fighting each other about whether a mountain bike park or keep it natural.

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That's like our biggest, that there's, and they're as big as, yeah, and they're going after each other.

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And I know because I'm, I'm right in between them and we're trying to figure out our brand.

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This is, this is built right into it, and this election alone will help us, guide us on where are we going?

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Who do we wanna be?

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How would we brand that?

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Yeah.

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Are we the dude dads of the future or are we the Kelly Olsons?

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Right.

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You know, that's a great question.

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Well, and I guess, and there's a lot of people involved.

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My question to you

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is if you become mayor, where will you lead us to?

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I will lead us to the table to discuss it critically with the ideas of we are not just thinking about our legacy.

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Which should be fantastic.

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But we're also talking about the kids that, you know, my kid is three, my other kid is eight.

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What is their legacy gonna be in four Collins?

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How, you know, I want them to stay here too,

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right?

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And so that's what I'm bringing to the table is my critical thinking, my ability to have people at the table that both sides believe that they are telling 100% the truth, and that the other side is completely wrong, but yet nobody is actually wrong.

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I've been in situations like that, I've been trained to understand that kind of situation.

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Yeah.

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So that's what I'm bringing.

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And so that to, to me, that means that whatever we come up with won't be a gimmicky, uh, political campaign thing.

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It'll be authentic from the town, from the fabric camp.

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Alright, I dig it.

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All right.

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This one's going up.

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We're going up?

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Yeah, we're going up a notch with heat on this one.

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Yeah.

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Brew House sauces, old Town Spice Shop.

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Yep.

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They've, they've changed location a couple times.

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Uh, just one major time, I think.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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We used to get, uh, I know there's several bartenders in town, several private owners as well, that they just spice blends and different things.

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They use their stuff.

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That's one of the reasons why our drinks taste so good.

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Yeah.

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Across from bar to bar to bar.

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We got some great local ingredients, so he was going in there.

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That is true.

00:21:53.174 --> 00:21:54.105
Sean does that a lot.

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Yep.

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So this one is the.

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Rebel uprising from Old Town Spice Shop.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Gentleman, first I

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sat

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all the way back down.

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I was like, Ugh.

00:22:03.404 --> 00:22:05.565
I was giving Ava a chance to stop coughing.

00:22:06.494 --> 00:22:06.855
Perfect.

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From her sampling.

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Suck that nugget.

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Yep.

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There's all right, so you get the red, the more red peppery.

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Mm-hmm.

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Almost like a.

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Yeah, that's like a Serrano or something.

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I don't know that.

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I don't say so probably, yeah.

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But smokier, but definitely red with a red heat.

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Not like a jalapeno.

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Or it could be, it could be Chipotle.

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I don't know.

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But that's good.

00:22:34.589 --> 00:22:35.430
Again, tasty.

00:22:35.609 --> 00:22:42.720
I think with the name Rebel Uprising, it's probably kind of at least, uh, somewhat built off of that.

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Uh.

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Kind of Cajun blends as well.

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Yeah.

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But it doesn't really jump.

00:22:48.914 --> 00:22:51.015
It's definitely not like a little Louisiana style.

00:22:51.045 --> 00:22:52.724
No, nothing at all like that.

00:22:52.904 --> 00:22:54.914
Not vinegar, but it's, it's got some vinegar, but not that

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much.

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It's again, it, for me, it's a great everyday sauce that has a different flavor than sriracha.

00:23:00.615 --> 00:23:01.259
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

00:23:01.875 --> 00:23:08.865
I think that's, it's gonna have, it has, has a kind of very similar spice profile to a sriracha, but there's a totally different flavor.

00:23:08.954 --> 00:23:09.075
Yeah.

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And it's still sweet enough that whatever you use it on sriracha, you could use that.

00:23:12.734 --> 00:23:12.984
I think that.

00:23:13.799 --> 00:23:15.150
That's pretty, pretty good.

00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:16.859
There's some free marketing for you right there.

00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:17.160
Yep.

00:23:17.549 --> 00:23:18.089
There you go.

00:23:18.269 --> 00:23:18.539
Sean.

00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:19.529
Use that.

00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:23.039
Um, oh, from Sean is this next question.

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Oh, the proposed for.

00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:31.859
Proposal for paid on Streete parking in Fort Collins aims to address revenue and parking turnover.

00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:36.900
How do you plan to balance the city's need for revenue and parking management with concerns of business owners?

00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:37.319
Yeah.

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Uh, it sounds, it sounds, we already drifted there a little bit.

00:23:39.390 --> 00:23:45.839
Sounds like a plan to pay for the people trying to solve the plan or the problem that the plan says that there is.

00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.390
So we need more people to enforce something that.

00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:54.000
Can be proven only if we accomplish it with more money.

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That's, and that's what it feels like to me now.

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That's, that's, that's just me.

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And again, I'm not a business owner.

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My mom was

00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.750
Well, and what I heard maybe from Shirley in our first podcast was that.

00:24:06.315 --> 00:24:15.734
Like the fees from parking tickets don't come close to covering the, the staffing costs of patrolling to see if people are going over two hours in those zones and stuff like that.

00:24:15.765 --> 00:24:16.214
And is that,

00:24:16.244 --> 00:24:18.855
is that really where our FTEs need to be?

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I don't, I don't know.

00:24:20.115 --> 00:24:21.164
I don't know either.

00:24:21.164 --> 00:24:27.525
And I saw a big traffic backup the other day because there was a traffic officer like parked covering related traffic.

00:24:27.525 --> 00:24:27.615
Can

00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:29.325
this, can't this be done with cameras?

00:24:30.255 --> 00:24:34.305
Can't this be done without a human being, without an FTE without?

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That I'm pretty sure we can figure something out.

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:43.500
I mean, I can't even get one of those scooters to stop, you know, beeping near my house and things like that.

00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:46.440
I'm sure we could figure out camera based parking.

00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:47.759
It'll be more expensive.

00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.579
I mean, it'd be great, but then do something like that.

00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:51.839
Then it sounds like it's a plant.

00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:52.055
Would you be

00:24:52.055 --> 00:24:54.420
concerned about privacy if everything was camera All the time?

00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:55.109
It's like London if, if

00:24:55.109 --> 00:24:59.490
you're still complaining about privacy in the open streets of America.

00:24:59.549 --> 00:25:00.450
I'm sorry.

00:25:00.509 --> 00:25:00.930
Okay.

00:25:01.349 --> 00:25:03.930
Do you see how like we catch people now?

00:25:04.109 --> 00:25:10.619
I mean, there's like so many major things happening where they're like, yeah, they just followed up for like, right, and they switched from this camera

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:12.015
to that camera, and then there's this, and yet

00:25:12.269 --> 00:25:17.549
people are emailing me saying, are you gonna stop those cameras taking our picture for the, for the speeding ticket?

00:25:17.549 --> 00:25:17.819
I was like,

00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.799
uh, I freaking hate those things.

00:25:19.829 --> 00:25:21.394
I, yeah, to be honest.

00:25:21.394 --> 00:25:22.470
Well, welcome to the future.

00:25:23.460 --> 00:25:27.029
They're gonna print the ticket out of your dashboard here pretty soon.

00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:28.650
They can do that already.

00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:31.529
It's gonna make me want to, like, cover my license plates.

00:25:31.710 --> 00:25:32.009
Um, they

00:25:32.009 --> 00:25:34.829
don't, it doesn't matter if you cover the license plate.

00:25:34.829 --> 00:25:39.299
They'll, they'll, they're gonna know the vin number because of your insurance, because it's prospect.

00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:41.609
If you wanna get, if you want to get annoyed with like

00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:43.230
Big Brother, it's too late.

00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:47.400
The one at Prospect and Shields like the, the road opens up.

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:51.359
It's obviously becomes like a much wider road after Yeah.

00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:52.019
Prospect.

00:25:52.829 --> 00:25:56.099
And they have a camera right there after it starts opening up.

00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:01.440
So when I'm on my motorcycle, I want to get away from these cars because Accel, you want to accelerate, I wanna get away from those cars.

00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:01.500
Yeah.

00:26:02.174 --> 00:26:04.634
And, and just be by myself in my motorcycle.

00:26:04.634 --> 00:26:05.535
And then I see the flash.

00:26:05.535 --> 00:26:09.944
I've gotten three in the last eight months because at that intersection, they're not, not, it pisses me off every time.

00:26:09.944 --> 00:26:11.234
Not only are those, I just wanna be safe.

00:26:11.234 --> 00:26:11.714
You fuckers.

00:26:11.865 --> 00:26:17.355
Not only, not only are those cameras extremely efficient, um, you can place them.

00:26:17.644 --> 00:26:22.055
In places like that, knowing they that that's not there, but I'm not being dangerous.

00:26:22.055 --> 00:26:24.484
That's the No, but that's not there for, for an accident.

00:26:24.545 --> 00:26:24.950
No, I know, I know.

00:26:24.950 --> 00:26:25.894
There's, they

00:26:25.894 --> 00:26:26.974
can get a lot of revenue that way.

00:26:26.974 --> 00:26:28.414
Yes, because everybody speeds up right there.

00:26:28.805 --> 00:26:29.134
Again,

00:26:29.345 --> 00:26:34.535
welcome to the, we're not gonna increase taxes, but we're gonna increase services.

00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.140
I mean, it's basic Econ 1 0 1.

00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:42.539
We don't get this cool with not increasing sales tax without getting, they're looking.

00:26:42.630 --> 00:26:46.349
They gotta increase revenue somewhere and we don't, we don't really ra raise sales tax.

00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:46.799
Okay.

00:26:47.009 --> 00:26:47.309
Sorry.

00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:50.309
Um, no, we can, we're good.

00:26:50.309 --> 00:26:50.940
We can keep going.

00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:51.240
Yep.

00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:56.130
Um, here we have Matador's buffalo sauce.

00:26:57.734 --> 00:27:00.045
Uh, it's getting a little bit spicier.

00:27:00.224 --> 00:27:00.494
Yeah.

00:27:00.525 --> 00:27:01.365
But not too crazy.

00:27:01.545 --> 00:27:01.875
Okay.

00:27:01.875 --> 00:27:05.174
I'm gonna take a quick, I didn't bring my reading glasses.

00:27:06.015 --> 00:27:06.164
Wow.

00:27:06.164 --> 00:27:08.174
They really chose a tight font on this one.

00:27:08.984 --> 00:27:11.089
I mean, you gotta let'em know he is out there like, don't think you're to know.

00:27:11.095 --> 00:27:12.704
I can't what's, can't see anything.

00:27:12.734 --> 00:27:14.775
It's uh, I'm not supposed to.

00:27:14.779 --> 00:27:20.055
Trisha and I were thinking it doesn't really make remind us a lot of a buffalo sauce, but it is good.

00:27:26.444 --> 00:27:27.345
Brown sugar, vinegar.

00:27:27.704 --> 00:27:28.454
Mm-hmm.

00:27:28.484 --> 00:27:29.234
A lot of vinegar.

00:27:30.914 --> 00:27:31.484
A lot of vinegar.

00:27:31.484 --> 00:27:32.174
I like that.

00:27:34.214 --> 00:27:34.545
Yeah.

00:27:35.609 --> 00:27:36.599
Vinegar do you like?

00:27:36.605 --> 00:27:39.119
Would, would you put that on your, on your buffalo wings though?

00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.720
And serve it?

00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:40.170
But it would, oh

00:27:40.170 --> 00:27:40.380
yeah.

00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:40.980
This would be great.

00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:41.430
On wings.

00:27:41.430 --> 00:27:42.569
This would be great for dipping.

00:27:42.660 --> 00:27:43.500
Dipping dry.

00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:46.650
Like my favorite wing used to be pizza Csba.

00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:47.099
Hmm.

00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.500
Now I think it's switching over to crazy Carl's and I went to high school with, with, um, Nate Haas.

00:27:52.740 --> 00:27:53.009
Okay.

00:27:53.130 --> 00:27:56.640
And his, I got his wings extra crispy.

00:27:57.029 --> 00:27:59.130
Uh, Fri fried, extra crispy dry.

00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:03.509
And I just usually dip it into my own sauce and they are so good like this.

00:28:03.509 --> 00:28:06.420
I would buy, I would buy this and then order wings like that.

00:28:06.509 --> 00:28:07.200
Delivered.

00:28:07.230 --> 00:28:07.500
Yeah.

00:28:07.769 --> 00:28:11.910
And then I would just dip'em'cause his, his extra crispy dry wings are the best.

00:28:12.029 --> 00:28:12.390
I like it.

00:28:12.990 --> 00:28:13.289
I like it.

00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:16.289
Next question is, are.

00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.569
Social hot topic.

00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:24.869
How would you rate the city of Fort Collins on its homelessness initiatives in recent decades and more especially recent years?

00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:25.289
Yeah.

00:28:25.349 --> 00:28:28.769
And what would you change or recommend going forward to the program?

00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:33.720
I think, I think, uh, and this'll be, this is, there's so many things that, um.

00:28:34.509 --> 00:28:38.259
Politicians in this town will take, you know, credit for it.

00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:41.019
'cause when you're, you're that, but this one goes to the city staff.

00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:44.829
City staff has, has really, in my opinion, they've run that program.

00:28:44.950 --> 00:28:45.730
They, yeah.

00:28:45.730 --> 00:28:47.859
And the, and the police of course.

00:28:47.859 --> 00:28:51.250
And, and everyone who has been so proactive in.

00:28:51.759 --> 00:29:04.029
Being willing, willing to listen to other communities about what they've done and what has been successful, not necessarily what will solve it, because if we had that answer, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

00:29:04.029 --> 00:29:04.269
Right.

00:29:04.630 --> 00:29:05.980
Same thing with affordable housing.

00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:06.220
I mean,

00:29:06.220 --> 00:29:07.900
California has spent 40 billion on it.

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.019
Yeah.

00:29:08.019 --> 00:29:08.950
And they haven't solved it.

00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:09.160
Right.

00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:09.400
Our,

00:29:09.549 --> 00:29:20.349
even closer, our new mayor of Denver and, and everything he has been doing with the, the repurposing of hotels to, you know, clearing with compassion and everything that he is.

00:29:20.595 --> 00:29:35.954
Dedicated to that, they're hitting a few of those benchmarks that they were hoping for, and it's just not, and that is a, that is a well thought out program that is not just put together happenstance, and it is so difficult.

00:29:35.954 --> 00:29:40.335
So remember the question is so easily asked and it's asked a lot.

00:29:40.515 --> 00:29:40.724
Sure.

00:29:40.724 --> 00:29:43.125
But it's so intrinsically difficult.

00:29:43.394 --> 00:29:52.484
To answer, but I'll do, you know, what I say is like, look at the staff members of this town that have built the amazing, and I, I printed some stuff up'cause I saw this question.

00:29:52.484 --> 00:29:53.414
I really wanted to say it.

00:29:53.924 --> 00:30:03.855
Um, you know, we have, we, we have gone at it from prevention, sheltering intensive case management, permanent support housing and mental Health and behavior services.

00:30:04.184 --> 00:30:09.164
The new Homelessness Resolution Center project, homeless Connect and Family Housing Network.

00:30:09.164 --> 00:30:10.454
So these programs.

00:30:11.069 --> 00:30:17.910
Have been kind of initiated and growing pretty much in like the past 17 years.

00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:18.299
Yeah.

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:24.119
When I last ran for mayor, a lot of this didn't even exist, but we've been proactive because.

00:30:24.884 --> 00:30:39.734
We as a city and we as a community, we don't just sit on our laurels and wait for tr problems to a, to a to get bigger because we are full of so many educated people in this town that we're forward thinking, that we're thinking environmentally, that we're thinking.

00:30:39.734 --> 00:30:43.994
And we, we, we were doing recycling before the trends hit when it was different.

00:30:43.994 --> 00:30:50.654
Um, you know, this town has always kind of had that, that intellectual bend towards critical thinking.

00:30:51.269 --> 00:30:55.980
Critical analysis of that and that that's woven kind of into the kids that grow up here too.

00:30:56.130 --> 00:30:56.190
Okay.

00:30:56.190 --> 00:30:56.789
Like myself.

00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:59.640
So on that front, like what would you change?

00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.250
Uh, so far you're given a lot of credit again to what's been done.

00:31:02.309 --> 00:31:03.509
The city staff is specialty.

00:31:03.509 --> 00:31:03.869
It's not

00:31:03.869 --> 00:31:04.740
my specialty.

00:31:04.829 --> 00:31:08.220
I mean, my training, if you talk, look at my undergrad, you've been around kids and yeah.

00:31:08.575 --> 00:31:09.865
I'm a history major.

00:31:09.954 --> 00:31:10.224
Okay.

00:31:10.224 --> 00:31:12.565
And I went to grad school for the teaching of history.

00:31:12.565 --> 00:31:12.625
Yeah.

00:31:12.625 --> 00:31:20.305
So this critical thinking when you think like a historian where you're constantly looking for multiple perspectives of the same Yeah.

00:31:20.454 --> 00:31:20.875
Item.

00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.140
Yeah.

00:31:21.144 --> 00:31:21.204
Yeah.

00:31:21.234 --> 00:31:25.615
Uh, where you understand that two people are coming to this with absolute truths in their mind.

00:31:25.644 --> 00:31:25.765
Yeah.

00:31:25.765 --> 00:31:25.974
Yeah.

00:31:26.184 --> 00:31:30.444
And then how can you not, not necessarily solve it, but how can you make sure that.

00:31:31.299 --> 00:31:32.799
What other voice is missing?

00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:33.039
Sure.

00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:41.500
You know, all these questions that historians have to ask about their sources and papers, and I'm talking academic historians not fly by the night, you know, seat of your pants.

00:31:41.500 --> 00:31:43.089
Historians, I've read a couple books, I'm there.

00:31:43.089 --> 00:31:45.039
These are trained in historiography.

00:31:45.609 --> 00:31:53.470
You know, that ability to, you know, it's a skill that's separate from the content and because of that I can apply it to things.

00:31:53.910 --> 00:31:56.279
I'm not just a reader of popular history.

00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.279
I'm a, I'm a lover of the process of history.

00:31:59.549 --> 00:31:59.730
Okay.

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:06.059
And so that's what I bring that ability to look at issues with that kite type of thinking.

00:32:06.569 --> 00:32:09.509
And for me, that is something that I've never seen.

00:32:09.509 --> 00:32:09.750
So you don't

00:32:09.750 --> 00:32:11.759
necessarily bring the ideas to the table.

00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:16.559
You're help to bring together the conversation that might a more clarify the best ideas.

00:32:16.589 --> 00:32:18.000
Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:32:18.150 --> 00:32:18.390
Okay.

00:32:18.509 --> 00:32:18.825
And then.

00:32:19.950 --> 00:32:23.734
Figuring out who do we need to talk to about a solution for something like that, because again.

00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:26.369
A mayor doesn't have the answer to everything.

00:32:26.369 --> 00:32:29.099
A mayor should be able to network from one idea to the next.

00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:32.430
Who in this town has been great at doing this?

00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.369
Maybe they haven't even been targeting it towards this town.

00:32:35.369 --> 00:32:40.109
They're because they're getting paid to do it for another community on another side of the planet.

00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:40.470
Yeah.

00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.660
We have a lot of people like that in this town.

00:32:42.904 --> 00:32:43.144
Yeah.

00:32:43.444 --> 00:32:45.964
And so how do we, how do we bring that together?

00:32:45.964 --> 00:32:51.845
And that's the type of critical thinking that I'll bring rather than, well, let me just go see what my party has to say about this issue.

00:32:51.845 --> 00:32:51.934
Right?

00:32:52.144 --> 00:32:55.444
Or let me see what my campaign donation people have to say about this.

00:32:55.894 --> 00:32:57.035
'cause I don't have either of those.

00:32:57.785 --> 00:32:58.355
Fair enough.

00:33:00.545 --> 00:33:02.825
I kinda like your style, Scott, if you vie, I gotta say,

00:33:02.914 --> 00:33:05.555
people tend to like it if they sit and talk to me for a while, but

00:33:05.765 --> 00:33:06.605
that's the hard part.

00:33:06.934 --> 00:33:11.315
So we, uh, we sent out seven questions, but we've actually got eight flavors.

00:33:12.015 --> 00:33:13.484
And so this next question.

00:33:14.295 --> 00:33:15.315
Is our grab bag.

00:33:15.525 --> 00:33:15.674
Oh, sweet.

00:33:16.065 --> 00:33:18.075
It comes after the, the red sauce and

00:33:18.075 --> 00:33:19.275
it's called the red.

00:33:19.815 --> 00:33:21.674
See, so I knew what I was talking about.

00:33:22.065 --> 00:33:27.944
Normally my guests have to answer all three of these, but here you have to answer one, but you may answer all three.

00:33:27.944 --> 00:33:31.785
So grab three balls and they're each attached to a Can I grab three balls at once?

00:33:31.934 --> 00:33:35.234
Uh, I can only grab two, but you can, yep.

00:33:35.444 --> 00:33:36.644
Do you want me to rotate'em too?

00:33:36.644 --> 00:33:37.095
I can do that.

00:33:40.325 --> 00:33:41.315
Testes testes.

00:33:41.315 --> 00:33:41.615
One, two.

00:33:41.615 --> 00:33:41.704
What?

00:33:41.704 --> 00:33:42.005
Guess where?

00:33:42.005 --> 00:33:42.755
I learned that?

00:33:42.755 --> 00:33:43.144
Three.

00:33:43.894 --> 00:33:45.875
Um, and that's old Beva.

00:33:45.875 --> 00:33:46.714
Some butthead right there.

00:33:46.714 --> 00:33:47.375
I love that one.

00:33:47.464 --> 00:33:49.299
Um, ate the chicken nugget first.

00:33:49.744 --> 00:33:50.134
Oh yeah.

00:33:50.555 --> 00:33:50.825
Oh yeah.

00:33:50.914 --> 00:33:52.144
Didn't I just, I just licked it.

00:33:52.355 --> 00:33:53.285
Nope, this is the red.

00:33:53.434 --> 00:33:53.944
Oh, you did?

00:33:54.305 --> 00:33:56.674
No, this was the, that was the buffalo sauce.

00:33:56.765 --> 00:33:57.545
This is the next one.

00:33:57.545 --> 00:33:57.845
Damnit.

00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:59.224
We gotta, we gotta, I almost

00:33:59.224 --> 00:33:59.404
got

00:33:59.404 --> 00:34:00.065
away with that.

00:34:00.065 --> 00:34:06.065
Do the sauce before we, this is the red matic.

00:34:06.095 --> 00:34:06.335
Yeah, I am,

00:34:06.484 --> 00:34:07.474
I am gonna do a double dip.

00:34:07.875 --> 00:34:08.385
Hmm.

00:34:08.534 --> 00:34:08.954
But I did,

00:34:09.135 --> 00:34:09.764
I did flip.

00:34:11.505 --> 00:34:12.224
Ooh, perfectly.

00:34:12.224 --> 00:34:12.465
Alright.

00:34:14.835 --> 00:34:18.795
That seems much more balanced than the buffalo sauce, in my opinion.

00:34:19.215 --> 00:34:22.875
Yeah, it's not, it's not chunky, seedy.

00:34:23.025 --> 00:34:27.164
Um, that's, yeah, I like that.

00:34:27.614 --> 00:34:27.855
Okay.

00:34:28.335 --> 00:34:30.735
Oh, by the way, did I mention Yeah, you can take one of these home.

00:34:30.914 --> 00:34:31.304
Okay.

00:34:31.394 --> 00:34:32.505
So I'll be thinking about which one.

00:34:32.954 --> 00:34:37.635
Oh yeah, I did mention'cause you wanted to kind of snag Trisha's too'cause I forgot to offer that thing.

00:34:37.965 --> 00:34:39.190
Thanks for bringing that up on the, the air.

00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:39.255
We'll get it.

00:34:39.255 --> 00:34:39.405
See you,

00:34:39.405 --> 00:34:39.824
Trisha.

00:34:40.605 --> 00:34:43.574
Um, so what are the numbers?

00:34:44.445 --> 00:34:44.715
Wish?

00:34:44.954 --> 00:34:46.094
Glad Oh, do you want some milk?

00:34:46.125 --> 00:34:47.445
We've got some milk outside if you.

00:34:48.135 --> 00:34:49.815
Did any of the other candidates ask for milk?

00:34:49.815 --> 00:34:55.994
Yeah, we had milk on the, well, then I'll be fine with my soda water and my constitution.

00:34:56.085 --> 00:34:56.474
All right.

00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:56.579
All right.

00:34:57.195 --> 00:34:59.954
Uh, Ava with the next sauce, will you bring me some milk?

00:35:00.010 --> 00:35:03.494
Yeah, there's milk and whiskey, right?

00:35:03.914 --> 00:35:07.695
There's no milk and whiskey, but you don't have to be tougher than everybody else.

00:35:07.695 --> 00:35:08.625
You just have to be smarter.

00:35:08.684 --> 00:35:08.835
I

00:35:08.835 --> 00:35:09.135
got it.

00:35:09.164 --> 00:35:10.335
Well, I got that, but,

00:35:11.114 --> 00:35:13.425
um, alright, let's have, uh, any of the questions.

00:35:13.755 --> 00:35:14.625
I got lucky number

00:35:14.625 --> 00:35:15.164
13,

00:35:15.255 --> 00:35:16.094
13.

00:35:17.130 --> 00:35:20.519
What's a book, movie, or podcast that's had a big impact on you?

00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:22.889
I'm gonna

00:35:22.889 --> 00:35:23.550
lean back for

00:35:23.550 --> 00:35:24.030
this one.

00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.159
Yeah, say that one more time.

00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:29.880
A book, movie or podcast that's had a big impact on you.

00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:32.554
A book The way you think, perhaps a movie, a.

00:35:33.704 --> 00:35:34.724
Hopefully it's not a movie

00:35:35.385 --> 00:35:36.164
or a podcast.

00:35:36.195 --> 00:35:40.340
Well, it's not a podcast because I I, I You don't do that.

00:35:40.344 --> 00:35:45.255
I think I've listened to one podcast in my entire life and it was, it was a Conan O'Brien one.

00:35:45.315 --> 00:35:45.764
Okay.

00:35:46.065 --> 00:35:51.224
And then I wrote him to ask him if he would, um, endorse me for the mayor of Fort Collins.

00:35:51.465 --> 00:35:51.855
Okay.

00:35:52.034 --> 00:35:55.605
And I got a return to sender stamp put on it.

00:35:55.664 --> 00:35:55.994
Yeah.

00:35:56.054 --> 00:35:57.914
I have a video of it on my Facebook.

00:35:58.065 --> 00:35:58.545
You should see.

00:35:58.545 --> 00:35:59.295
It sounds very exciting.

00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:00.704
It's, I, it's wonderful.

00:36:00.704 --> 00:36:01.905
So a book perhaps.

00:36:02.565 --> 00:36:04.635
Have you had a book that's influenced you specifically?

00:36:04.664 --> 00:36:08.295
Or is it just a collection of ideas that have been your influences?

00:36:09.045 --> 00:36:12.344
I mean, I was, like I said before, I'm a history guy.

00:36:12.405 --> 00:36:20.894
I mean, there's been so many books that I've read that have changed so much about like things I've thought and you know, from from fiction about one that

00:36:20.894 --> 00:36:21.795
really surprised you.

00:36:21.855 --> 00:36:28.605
Maybe like, was there a time where you were like, I thought this, and then after this book I thought that.

00:36:31.949 --> 00:36:33.420
That's a really good question.

00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:35.099
I'm gonna remember that for next time though.

00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:37.889
What's a book that Okay.

00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:38.639
Okay.

00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:43.380
Um, probably, probably Grapes of Wrath.

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:43.829
Mm.

00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:44.940
Yeah.

00:36:45.030 --> 00:36:46.019
Grapes of Wrath.

00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:49.019
That's spelled out poverty in a way that was hard to understand before that.

00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:49.500
Yeah.

00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:53.219
The structure of Grapes of Wrath, um, chapter by chapter.

00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:57.869
How it would switch from the, the, the narrative of the job family to the.

00:36:58.905 --> 00:37:00.885
Nondescript narrative of.

00:37:01.574 --> 00:37:03.494
Of the plight of everyone.

00:37:03.795 --> 00:37:04.034
Yeah.

00:37:04.215 --> 00:37:07.304
Particularly the, the, the, the farmers.

00:37:07.784 --> 00:37:13.724
And nobody had a name in those chapters and it was always, and, and it wasn't from the perspective of a individual.

00:37:13.724 --> 00:37:13.815
Mm-hmm.

00:37:13.815 --> 00:37:17.235
It was more, I remember that symbolic and thematic and things like that.

00:37:17.264 --> 00:37:17.474
Yeah.

00:37:17.474 --> 00:37:25.005
And then it was like back and forth and if you had just seen the movie, which a lot of people say they read the book, but they just saw that movie.

00:37:25.244 --> 00:37:28.425
Especially'cause it's a great movie, terrible ending.

00:37:29.054 --> 00:37:31.545
Completely screwed when you missed that whole part of it.

00:37:31.724 --> 00:37:48.105
That's the most important part, is like, if you only see the movie of, of, uh, grapes of Wrath, you do not know that the child dies and that the woman begins to breastfeed the old man in the shed.

00:37:49.215 --> 00:37:51.914
The most important part of the entire book.

00:37:52.034 --> 00:37:57.855
And the ca the, the director of the film who was Catholic said, I'm not putting that in.

00:37:58.079 --> 00:37:58.199
Hmm.

00:37:59.369 --> 00:38:01.170
And MGM or whoever is like, fine.

00:38:01.170 --> 00:38:01.409
Yeah.

00:38:01.409 --> 00:38:06.630
And so they're at the end, they're like, and you know what ma, we just might make it.

00:38:07.050 --> 00:38:11.489
And they ride off into the sunset and it's like, and it's, and it's so inspirational, right?

00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:17.250
And it's like, that's America and it's completely wrong.

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:17.849
Yeah.

00:38:17.855 --> 00:38:22.349
Because that baby died and that woman.

00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:30.210
Nursed an old man, and it is intense and it's like, what is the symbolic of that and everything.

00:38:30.210 --> 00:38:31.139
I'm even getting emotional.

00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:31.619
Just bring it up.

00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:35.219
But that, that book changed me on how you think of everything.

00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:36.119
Good question.

00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:36.539
Thank you.

00:38:37.769 --> 00:38:38.130
Woo.

00:38:38.925 --> 00:38:39.144
I'm,

00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:40.860
I'm crying because of these sauces.

00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:43.860
There's, I got tissues here somewhere, I think.

00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:45.539
Okay.

00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:47.159
Hmm.

00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:47.369
This looks

00:38:47.369 --> 00:38:47.519
spicy.

00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:51.780
This one is called uh uh, room two 17.

00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.460
Thank you, Ava.

00:38:55.074 --> 00:38:56.434
Probably room two 17.

00:38:56.675 --> 00:38:57.869
Probably Scotty's too tough to need.

00:38:57.869 --> 00:38:59.400
That's not a shining reference in it.

00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:00.090
I don't know.

00:39:00.090 --> 00:39:01.260
I don't know what the reference is.

00:39:01.264 --> 00:39:01.434
The

00:39:01.514 --> 00:39:01.675
shin.

00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:02.400
The shin.

00:39:02.969 --> 00:39:03.929
You want to get sued?

00:39:05.789 --> 00:39:08.250
We watch the same, A lot of the same Simpsons episodes.

00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.730
Oh yeah.

00:39:08.789 --> 00:39:09.179
You gotta

00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:09.599
season

00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:10.260
one through 10.

00:39:11.070 --> 00:39:11.760
Tracy Oman.

00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:12.239
Show baby.

00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:12.599
Oh

00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.929
yeah, the, the, you know, father, what is life?

00:39:16.230 --> 00:39:17.820
Don't dip it that hard like I did.

00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.150
That was a

00:39:18.150 --> 00:39:18.809
hard dip.

00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.130
It was a big old dip.

00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:20.610
Oof.

00:39:20.909 --> 00:39:21.510
I'm scared.

00:39:22.934 --> 00:39:23.175
I am just

00:39:23.175 --> 00:39:23.324
going

00:39:23.324 --> 00:39:23.414
to,

00:39:23.744 --> 00:39:26.864
I'll scoop a I'll scoop a lot too there, so I'm just gonna eat that.

00:39:27.255 --> 00:39:27.315
Okay.

00:39:27.315 --> 00:39:27.885
That's a good amount.

00:39:27.885 --> 00:39:28.469
That's a good amount.

00:39:30.704 --> 00:39:30.735
Oh.

00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:35.820
Turmeric, turmeric.

00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:37.409
It does have some turmeric in there.

00:39:37.409 --> 00:39:38.010
I feel that.

00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:38.760
I taste that.

00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:39.780
It's a lot.

00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.559
That's very They're going for the curry Sp they're going for the, yeah, for the India,

00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:44.280
Southeast Asia.

00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:44.429
Yeah.

00:39:44.429 --> 00:39:48.269
It's like the, when the, when the Indian restaurant says, do you want the spicy.

00:39:49.655 --> 00:39:50.014
All right.

00:39:50.014 --> 00:39:50.405
Yes.

00:39:50.675 --> 00:39:52.204
This reminds me this.

00:39:52.235 --> 00:39:54.304
This taste right now is Star of India.

00:39:55.744 --> 00:39:56.974
Okay, gotcha.

00:39:57.005 --> 00:39:58.144
Have you been to Star of India?

00:39:58.144 --> 00:39:58.534
Yeah.

00:39:58.534 --> 00:39:58.594
Yeah.

00:40:00.094 --> 00:40:00.340
That's awesome.

00:40:00.344 --> 00:40:02.315
If you push the hot button, it tastes like this.

00:40:02.315 --> 00:40:02.644
Kinda, yeah.

00:40:02.764 --> 00:40:06.724
If you get some of the spice now most people do the buffet and then the buffet.

00:40:06.724 --> 00:40:07.985
You'd never have spice like that.

00:40:07.985 --> 00:40:08.135
Yeah.

00:40:08.135 --> 00:40:08.344
Yeah.

00:40:08.914 --> 00:40:14.375
This would be ordered off of the menu and you let the, you let the family go off on, on what they want.

00:40:14.644 --> 00:40:18.275
Ah, this is, yeah, this is like back in India.

00:40:18.454 --> 00:40:18.815
Yeah.

00:40:18.905 --> 00:40:20.614
This is a, this comes outta nowhere.

00:40:20.614 --> 00:40:21.005
Fancy milk out.

00:40:21.815 --> 00:40:22.625
I, no judgment from here.

00:40:22.625 --> 00:40:22.954
It comes

00:40:22.954 --> 00:40:23.644
outta nowhere.

00:40:23.675 --> 00:40:24.065
That's a,

00:40:25.085 --> 00:40:29.074
I mean, you see me like sweating like big time over here, so.

00:40:29.684 --> 00:40:38.594
That com that went completely around my tongue and just, I just enveloped it in like a heat, a heat sleeping bag that just is pulsating.

00:40:38.594 --> 00:40:38.684
Yes.

00:40:38.715 --> 00:40:40.094
From the back almost.

00:40:40.215 --> 00:40:40.275
Yeah.

00:40:40.275 --> 00:40:42.045
And you're in a, you're in a sleeping bag.

00:40:42.045 --> 00:40:42.344
That's, and it

00:40:42.344 --> 00:40:44.054
works its way up to the front of the tongue.

00:40:44.625 --> 00:40:47.775
Uh, anyway, uh, community hot topic.

00:40:49.025 --> 00:40:50.045
My, my tongue.

00:40:50.405 --> 00:40:51.605
That's the hot topic.

00:40:51.635 --> 00:40:52.414
I'm glad you liked it.

00:40:53.045 --> 00:40:55.414
How could this, oh, we had do tasting notes before.

00:40:55.655 --> 00:40:56.284
Well, I guess we did.

00:40:56.284 --> 00:40:58.355
We talked about Spicy Korean and Star of India.

00:40:58.925 --> 00:40:59.914
Yeah, it's really good.

00:40:59.914 --> 00:41:01.070
It's hard to think and, and.

00:41:01.545 --> 00:41:03.795
I endure this kind of heat sometimes.

00:41:03.795 --> 00:41:10.574
But, um, how could the city of Fort Collins maintain financial strength in light of declining sales tax collection trends?

00:41:11.144 --> 00:41:15.704
What mix of cost cutting and revenue enhancement do you envision as being the most important?

00:41:15.945 --> 00:41:20.144
We're gonna bounce those other questions'cause you were very reflective on the groups of wrath and stuff.

00:41:20.144 --> 00:41:20.909
We'll just All right.

00:41:21.150 --> 00:41:22.034
I can take those back though.

00:41:23.534 --> 00:41:23.835
There,

00:41:24.795 --> 00:41:27.775
um, it's pretty basic, um, you know.

00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:41.550
If you have unlimited wants and limited resources and you have even more limited resources, but the wants are kind of getting like, how, how many mountain bike parks do you want?

00:41:41.969 --> 00:41:44.340
Um, and I know who's gonna pay for it.

00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:50.400
Uh, it's kind of interesting that money for a mountain bike park is in one of the, uh, the ballot initiatives.

00:41:50.699 --> 00:41:50.760
Yeah.

00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:51.960
Have you read the ballot initiatives?

00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:52.380
Not yet.

00:41:52.769 --> 00:41:54.960
You gotta read the ballot and we'll talk about that in a second.

00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:55.050
Okay.

00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:55.800
Um,

00:41:56.610 --> 00:41:56.730
what.

00:41:57.150 --> 00:41:58.829
We can stay on that topic here if you want to.

00:41:59.190 --> 00:42:00.030
That's part of probably

00:42:00.030 --> 00:42:00.599
this question.

00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:04.500
You are going to see a reduction of services.

00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:14.130
So if you're also asking for enhanced services at the same time that we're seeing, um, and it's a domino effect from the federal down to the state.

00:42:14.130 --> 00:42:16.739
I mean, there's a reason why PS called emergency.

00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:17.644
The state governments totally broke.

00:42:17.795 --> 00:42:22.409
There's an, there's a reason why even after they came back that he still had like another.

00:42:22.425 --> 00:42:24.284
A hundred million dollars.

00:42:24.284 --> 00:42:27.164
He had to cut and he cut it from proposition 1, 2, 3.

00:42:27.284 --> 00:42:27.614
Hmm.

00:42:28.005 --> 00:42:29.565
The affordable housing.

00:42:29.565 --> 00:42:31.215
With the dedicated funding.

00:42:31.215 --> 00:42:32.414
Dedicated funding.

00:42:33.045 --> 00:42:35.025
And he pulled a hundred million out of it.

00:42:35.235 --> 00:42:35.505
Wow.

00:42:35.744 --> 00:42:43.755
I mean, that just goes to show that I could, I could wax poetic for 90 minutes about an idea of affordable housing.

00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:53.489
But that idea in the reality of the state of Colorado, would require so many, and I've been using this, uh, they're like round coasters doing a, a Venn diagram.

00:42:53.699 --> 00:42:53.940
Okay.

00:42:53.969 --> 00:42:55.949
You would need like 12 of them overlapping.

00:42:55.949 --> 00:43:07.650
And then that's where you can get your affordable housing done properly with the federal grants, the builder, the, the, you know, who's gonna do all the management, who's gonna be doing all the books for everything and every, you know, it's a, there's a lot to be done for this way.

00:43:08.190 --> 00:43:10.739
Better than the projects if we do it.

00:43:11.730 --> 00:43:12.119
No, I just don't think that's what I wonder.

00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.329
But,

00:43:12.329 --> 00:43:18.269
but we're stuck in that Colorado system that's also, uh, regulated by something like the Faircloth amendment.

00:43:18.269 --> 00:43:18.360
Right.

00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:19.679
Well, and we got this condo.

00:43:19.769 --> 00:43:20.579
Is that what that is?

00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:20.730
No.

00:43:20.730 --> 00:43:27.269
The faircloth amendment goes back to the, it's a Bill Clinton thing actually, where he, he wanted to end ghettos.

00:43:27.949 --> 00:43:39.019
And so there was a federal law that was put in that basically freezes the amount of land, the, the amount of property that a municipality can own and operate as public housing.

00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:39.349
Okay.

00:43:39.349 --> 00:43:42.199
And it freezes it at like a 1999 level.

00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:43.849
Again, I'm paraphrasing outta my head.

00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:44.210
Sure.

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:52.190
Uh, and so like a municipality, like Fort Collins can't build and own, you know, community housing.

00:43:52.250 --> 00:43:52.639
Okay.

00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.110
Without, uh.

00:43:55.034 --> 00:43:58.994
You can't surpass the level that was set in like 97.

00:43:59.114 --> 00:43:59.445
Okay.

00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:00.554
But do you want, and we

00:44:00.554 --> 00:44:01.425
we're already at that,

00:44:01.815 --> 00:44:06.405
would the city, but can they provide housing for cheaper than the market?

00:44:06.735 --> 00:44:07.695
Uh, government can.

00:44:07.695 --> 00:44:08.085
Yeah.

00:44:08.594 --> 00:44:09.914
It's not a good idea.

00:44:09.914 --> 00:44:11.175
I mean, it can, but it, I mean.

00:44:11.684 --> 00:44:13.485
Yes, the government can do it for, it would

00:44:13.485 --> 00:44:14.625
come from another place.

00:44:14.625 --> 00:44:15.585
There's no free lunch.

00:44:15.585 --> 00:44:15.855
Yeah,

00:44:15.855 --> 00:44:16.335
exactly.

00:44:16.335 --> 00:44:22.005
But can they, can they execute housing at a price that's lower than the free market, or would they just you Yeah.

00:44:22.545 --> 00:44:23.025
Costing more.

00:44:23.025 --> 00:44:23.144
You

00:44:23.235 --> 00:44:28.094
can, but it won't work in a market driven system very well.

00:44:28.125 --> 00:44:28.425
Okay.

00:44:28.795 --> 00:44:33.534
It's, I understand the, you know, the three wheels of a, of a mixed market economy

00:44:33.744 --> 00:44:33.985
Yeah.

00:44:34.195 --> 00:44:38.514
And private government and home, and how they interact with each other.

00:44:38.514 --> 00:44:45.295
And, uh, you can't ask this, the, the gov, the governmental part of the economic system.

00:44:45.454 --> 00:44:52.474
To take on more than it can without an increase of, okay, then we need more resources to make these ideas happen.

00:44:52.474 --> 00:44:52.485
Yeah.

00:44:52.864 --> 00:44:52.985
Yeah.

00:44:52.985 --> 00:44:56.644
And I'm limited, I can't, I can't borrow, we can't go into debt.

00:44:56.675 --> 00:44:59.885
We, we have to have a balanced budget and so, yeah.

00:44:59.945 --> 00:45:00.364
Okay.

00:45:00.755 --> 00:45:02.344
Then it's the hard conversations.

00:45:02.465 --> 00:45:02.675
Yeah.

00:45:03.215 --> 00:45:04.925
And that's the reality of it.

00:45:04.925 --> 00:45:05.554
I get that.

00:45:05.554 --> 00:45:06.875
I teach that, that was my job.

00:45:06.875 --> 00:45:09.875
I wrote the, I wrote the state standards for economics for high school.

00:45:10.739 --> 00:45:23.909
I mean, I, I taught it for, at Fort Collins High School for years, and when, when people signed up to, to, to do the standards, you know, I was the one that was, it was me and a woman from Douglas County and then she missed one of'em, so I wrote'em.

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:25.710
So, uh, they're good.

00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:32.670
So this what briefly, what does the city, like the city spends money on?

00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:35.360
You know, cups and, yeah.

00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:37.519
Housing and resource budget and regulation.

00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:38.659
It's such a large thing.

00:45:38.659 --> 00:45:38.929
Just

00:45:38.929 --> 00:45:42.920
the electricity, that's their number one purchase is electricity from Platte River Power Authority.

00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:43.369
Interesting.

00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.610
It's like$107 million purchase.

00:45:46.610 --> 00:45:47.059
Wow.

00:45:47.059 --> 00:45:49.219
And then we cover that with all of our electricity bills.

00:45:49.219 --> 00:45:52.820
But we're, but we're buying it from our own company, you know?

00:45:52.820 --> 00:45:54.980
'cause we're, we're one of the owners of Platte River Power.

00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:55.039
Yeah.

00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:55.820
There's other owners too.

00:45:55.820 --> 00:45:56.210
Do we make,

00:45:56.210 --> 00:45:57.559
does the city make any margin on that?

00:45:59.699 --> 00:46:01.110
I don't, I don't teach that part.

00:46:01.110 --> 00:46:04.019
It, I, I, I don't, well, I, I, I'm gonna lay you away with that one.

00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:09.960
That's the thing I want to ask about is like, how can I be, you know, I'm somebody that could be on that board and talk about'em as well.

00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:10.500
I'll talk to you.

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:13.559
Like my mom would talk toto, like, I'm your best customer,

00:46:13.739 --> 00:46:14.010
right.

00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:15.510
What are you gonna do for me?

00:46:16.590 --> 00:46:16.920
Right.

00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:20.250
Rather than screw those lump unders, they do a price increase.

00:46:20.250 --> 00:46:22.199
Well, I guess who buys the most electricity from you?

00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:22.980
Right, right, right.

00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:25.170
Who's going more electric than anybody else?

00:46:25.539 --> 00:46:27.369
And who's gonna allow you to keep those rebate

00:46:27.369 --> 00:46:28.000
programs?

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:28.630
Who, who's gonna let

00:46:28.630 --> 00:46:36.159
you keep those propane, uh, or those natural gas turbines on Let you, or, or it's gonna go either way, man.

00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:36.579
Right, right.

00:46:36.579 --> 00:46:38.050
That's what people are really interested in.

00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:39.429
They would shoot themselves even more in the foot.

00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:40.030
Right?

00:46:40.030 --> 00:46:40.224
Oh my gosh.

00:46:40.244 --> 00:46:40.750
Or what

00:46:40.809 --> 00:46:43.719
after the clean energy for, I found out a lot about that.

00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:44.199
Is that right?

00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:44.739
Oh, yeah.

00:46:45.909 --> 00:46:46.119
Okay.

00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.920
This one is the Slades Revenge Jack Slades Revenge.

00:46:50.949 --> 00:46:52.449
This is the, this is the hot stuff.

00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:59.429
Tropical overtone meets extreme heat by apple, habanero and dragon's.

00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:00.030
Breath.

00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:02.730
You sparingly?

00:47:03.809 --> 00:47:05.760
Oh, it actually says you sparingly on it.

00:47:06.059 --> 00:47:06.300
Yep.

00:47:06.630 --> 00:47:07.800
I'm gonna do just like that.

00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:12.780
Okay.

00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:13.800
It is, it is on there.

00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:14.489
You can see that.

00:47:14.610 --> 00:47:15.000
I see it.

00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.389
This one doesn't have the, the forward heat as much.

00:47:21.809 --> 00:47:23.489
No, but neither did that Curry one.

00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:24.239
Yeah.

00:47:24.510 --> 00:47:26.880
And that it finally let me out of the sleeping bag.

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.090
You can double dip if you want, or you can even have a little sip if you're not feeling it enough yet.

00:47:30.090 --> 00:47:30.239
No,

00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:30.809
I'm feeling it.

00:47:31.050 --> 00:47:31.530
It's going.

00:47:34.289 --> 00:47:34.650
Yeah.

00:47:36.630 --> 00:47:40.530
See, that's, that's more what I would think of, of like the hot peppers.

00:47:40.980 --> 00:47:42.750
Like when you get a mash of those peppers.

00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:42.960
Mm.

00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.909
That's, that's definitely a mash, right?

00:47:44.909 --> 00:47:49.500
Because once they start getting into these higher SCOs, their flavor just disappears.

00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:49.769
Mm.

00:47:50.010 --> 00:47:56.519
And it's like, you gotta, it's hard to pull any individual ones out, but you, you mash'em together and you pit put vinegar in it and you can mass sell it.

00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:57.300
It's, it's easy.

00:47:57.300 --> 00:47:58.769
It's like a super spicy blend.

00:47:58.769 --> 00:47:59.250
So, yeah.

00:47:59.250 --> 00:47:59.260
Yeah.

00:47:59.349 --> 00:48:00.969
That kind of I'm used to.

00:48:01.059 --> 00:48:01.994
I'm, I'm okay with this one.

00:48:01.994 --> 00:48:02.155
One.

00:48:02.155 --> 00:48:04.659
You like that one better than the last, the last, the last one.

00:48:04.659 --> 00:48:06.190
I'm just not used to that kind of heat.

00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:07.269
I just don't eat that much.

00:48:07.269 --> 00:48:07.900
Spicy Indian.

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:08.199
This one's

00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.349
actually a little higher koval than the, than the room two 17.

00:48:11.349 --> 00:48:11.769
But it's not

00:48:11.769 --> 00:48:13.840
hitting my tongue the way the other one hit my tongue.

00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:14.139
Agreed.

00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:19.394
It it, the way that it coated the tongue and then like left little landmines crawled up of heat.

00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.570
It was dis and it all of a sudden they all went off at the same time.

00:48:22.900 --> 00:48:24.550
That sauce is a lot more exciting.

00:48:24.579 --> 00:48:25.179
This one.

00:48:25.389 --> 00:48:25.840
I get it.

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.460
This one's just like, you know, hot.

00:48:27.969 --> 00:48:28.210
Yeah.

00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.809
But it's just hot for the sake of hot And vinegar

00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:32.519
doesn't have as much character for you?

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:32.880
No,

00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:34.199
or as much

00:48:34.619 --> 00:48:40.469
if you like if you took, if I took like a whole bunch of roasted garlic and mixed it in with that, it would change that.

00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:40.920
I don't know.

00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:41.940
That's what I would do.

00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:43.469
Sounds interesting.

00:48:43.889 --> 00:48:47.789
So the last question is, are the Loco experience.

00:48:48.644 --> 00:48:54.135
And this is, uh, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.

00:48:54.135 --> 00:48:59.835
And this is the only standard segment of this, uh, normally local experience podcast.

00:48:59.985 --> 00:49:00.614
Okay.

00:49:00.914 --> 00:49:01.755
Craziest, let's see.

00:49:01.755 --> 00:49:03.465
Craziest experience that you're willing to share.

00:49:03.465 --> 00:49:06.405
And if you do good enough on the first story, I'll give you a second story.

00:49:06.405 --> 00:49:07.275
We'll see how it goes.

00:49:07.394 --> 00:49:12.585
Do you want in Fort Collins or out of Fort Collins, anywhere in the world, in life?

00:49:12.905 --> 00:49:13.135
Uh, okay.

00:49:13.550 --> 00:49:14.869
That didn't help me at all.

00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:17.045
O outside of Fort Collins was fine.

00:49:17.074 --> 00:49:17.364
Okay.

00:49:17.364 --> 00:49:18.085
No, I'm Fort Collins.

00:49:18.085 --> 00:49:18.530
How about, because

00:49:18.530 --> 00:49:19.340
it's a mayor thing.

00:49:19.340 --> 00:49:20.284
It's gotta be about Fort Collins.

00:49:20.284 --> 00:49:20.605
Your craziest

00:49:20.605 --> 00:49:21.525
story in Fort Collins.

00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:21.920
Okay.

00:49:22.130 --> 00:49:23.449
I was.

00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:25.920
Crazy story.

00:49:26.219 --> 00:49:28.199
So any near death experiences?

00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:29.610
Uh oh, several.

00:49:29.610 --> 00:49:29.940
Yeah.

00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:31.590
There's been near death experiences.

00:49:31.590 --> 00:49:38.010
There's been like the night I met my wife at Elliot's Martini bar the night I met my baby's mama at Surfside.

00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:40.469
The night I, you know, gotten.

00:49:40.855 --> 00:49:41.934
Fell in love.

00:49:41.994 --> 00:49:43.945
There's, I have all these kind of stories of this.

00:49:43.945 --> 00:49:44.454
A third

00:49:44.454 --> 00:49:46.135
woman or is that No, just in general.

00:49:46.135 --> 00:49:46.405
That was

00:49:46.405 --> 00:49:51.985
earlier, you know, when I started, you know, the first time, first date, my first date in Fort Collins.

00:49:51.985 --> 00:49:52.974
You know, all those kinds of things.

00:49:52.974 --> 00:49:54.925
But let's go with, let's go with more fun.

00:49:55.344 --> 00:49:59.304
Um, my first detainment by the Fort Collins Police Department.

00:50:00.795 --> 00:50:03.224
Now, I don't know if I've been detained by Fort Collins Police.

00:50:03.525 --> 00:50:07.755
I've been detained a few times by other places I've been detained in China, in Fort

00:50:07.755 --> 00:50:08.235
Collins.

00:50:08.235 --> 00:50:08.625
Okay.

00:50:08.804 --> 00:50:09.014
Yep.

00:50:09.045 --> 00:50:10.034
Alright, let's hear the story.

00:50:10.065 --> 00:50:12.855
So, in Fort Collins, I was working at Elliot's Martini Bar.

00:50:12.974 --> 00:50:13.005
Okay.

00:50:13.034 --> 00:50:16.125
Uh, and I was also teaching at Fort Collins High School.

00:50:16.215 --> 00:50:16.244
Okay.

00:50:16.244 --> 00:50:16.605
So this

00:50:16.605 --> 00:50:18.914
was probably the, so you're moonlighting at the Yep.

00:50:18.945 --> 00:50:19.605
Martini bar.

00:50:19.635 --> 00:50:20.170
So this is probably like.

00:50:20.909 --> 00:50:24.059
Uh, may of 2001.

00:50:24.269 --> 00:50:24.420
Okay.

00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:29.489
I just finished my second year of teaching and I was working full-time at, or not full time.

00:50:29.489 --> 00:50:30.570
I was working every Friday.

00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:32.309
Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

00:50:32.309 --> 00:50:33.210
Elliot's Martini bar.

00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.079
'cause when you're a young teacher in this town and you wanna live here, you can't, uh, right.

00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.739
Even back then.

00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:38.460
So yeah.

00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:43.860
PSD 26 years ago, first year teacher and then, so I was bartending, making a lot more money.

00:50:44.489 --> 00:50:54.030
Um, but working crazy hours on Fridays were the worst as I would go in and teach until about three 30, and then I would have to get to Elliot's by four.

00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:55.110
They opened at four.

00:50:55.789 --> 00:50:57.260
Um, and I'd have to be on my bike.

00:50:57.260 --> 00:50:58.219
It's 20 minute drive roughly.

00:50:58.224 --> 00:50:58.434
Yeah.

00:50:58.440 --> 00:50:58.699
Yeah.

00:50:58.760 --> 00:50:59.989
This usually on my bike.

00:51:00.349 --> 00:51:04.760
And then so I would go to Elliot's and I would cha and I would wear what I'd be wearing for Elliot's that night.

00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.659
Teaching, which is usually a tie and like a button up, short sleeve shirt.

00:51:09.110 --> 00:51:14.119
And then I would work Elliot's either as a bartender, as a server until two.

00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:16.940
No, two o'clock is when we close down.

00:51:17.059 --> 00:51:17.150
Yep.

00:51:17.210 --> 00:51:18.074
Then we have to count money.

00:51:18.875 --> 00:51:20.045
So if you were

00:51:20.045 --> 00:51:21.215
lucky, you're outta there at two 30.

00:51:21.215 --> 00:51:22.360
Sometimes it was 3 0 3.

00:51:22.565 --> 00:51:22.804
Yeah.

00:51:22.894 --> 00:51:25.474
And then cleaning, putting everything away.

00:51:25.925 --> 00:51:31.684
And then that's when the guys wanted to play poker and you know, so sometimes you wouldn't sleep hardly.

00:51:31.684 --> 00:51:32.764
You'd go to And

00:51:32.764 --> 00:51:34.295
then I'd, no, I'd, oh, that's Friday night.

00:51:34.300 --> 00:51:35.284
But I would not, Thursday night wouldn't do that.

00:51:35.315 --> 00:51:44.315
This is, yeah, not on, this is only a Friday, Saturday and then I ride my bike back to, uh, at this point I was probably at my parents' house'cause I couldn't afford my own place yet.

00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:49.530
And I would get these massive burritos from, there was a, there was a food cart that was right.

00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.324
Uh, right at Linden and um, and right where the right life was by Walnut.

00:51:54.324 --> 00:51:54.764
There you go.

00:51:54.764 --> 00:51:54.925
Yeah.

00:51:54.925 --> 00:51:55.565
And Walnut.

00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:56.130
That's it.

00:51:56.130 --> 00:51:58.260
And then it's like LaPorte or Walnut or Right.

00:51:58.289 --> 00:51:59.190
Or the Armadillo.

00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:06.389
Um, but anyway, there was a burrito guy there for a while and he would make these huge burritos and we knew'em pretty well'cause we were always his customers.

00:52:06.750 --> 00:52:08.789
And I'd take my burrito and I'd want to be all nostalgia.

00:52:08.789 --> 00:52:09.469
And I, you know, it's like.

00:52:09.945 --> 00:52:17.655
Three in the morning riding my bike back home down Remington Street and we passed by Fort Collins High School, my alma mater.

00:52:17.655 --> 00:52:19.875
You know, the beautiful, and it's shut down at this point, right?

00:52:19.875 --> 00:52:21.855
And it's not as cool as it is right now.

00:52:22.184 --> 00:52:26.655
It was still in this weird like where we CSU, where we front range and it was just getting worse.

00:52:26.655 --> 00:52:27.315
It was ugly.

00:52:27.914 --> 00:52:29.144
Um, and so.

00:52:29.739 --> 00:52:32.320
Being nostalgic and there wasn't that many lights there.

00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:39.579
So I, I plopped down, I started chowing down on this burrito and just like being nostalgic, looking up at the pillars, it was great and I was having a great time.

00:52:39.579 --> 00:52:47.469
And then, um, you know, nature called and, you know, I was drinking a lot of water and so I needed to relieve myself.

00:52:47.469 --> 00:52:50.469
And I decided like, Hey, there's, it's four in the morning, right?

00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:51.820
I'm just gonna go right here.

00:52:51.940 --> 00:52:53.590
And I'm, I'm, I think

00:52:53.590 --> 00:52:54.489
that should be a human right.

00:52:54.489 --> 00:52:57.099
I put my burrito down and I just start, you know.

00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:03.570
In reminiscing, and then at the N, literally within about midstream.

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:04.050
I see.

00:53:04.994 --> 00:53:11.565
I hear turn around and butcher like the whole, like all of a sudden flashlights a canine.

00:53:11.894 --> 00:53:12.554
Oh no.

00:53:12.554 --> 00:53:18.284
Like, and it was like multiple, it was like lights, lights, lights, gun out kind of a thing.

00:53:18.344 --> 00:53:19.034
Oh shit.

00:53:19.094 --> 00:53:19.934
And I was like, what?

00:53:19.934 --> 00:53:20.804
Drop my burrito.

00:53:20.804 --> 00:53:21.074
And he's like.

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.440
Pull up your pant.

00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:24.630
And I was like, do you want my hands up or do you want me to pull up?

00:53:24.630 --> 00:53:25.619
It was like right out of a co.

00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.480
You were able to cut it off, I guess?

00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:27.489
Yeah.

00:53:27.489 --> 00:53:27.500
Yeah.

00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:28.349
I guess I was, it was hard.

00:53:28.530 --> 00:53:29.610
Then they, they turned me around.

00:53:29.610 --> 00:53:32.324
It wasn't, uh, but they put like, they put handcuffs on me.

00:53:32.324 --> 00:53:33.719
There was probably some dribbles going on or whatever.

00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:33.780
Yeah.

00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:35.340
They put me up against the tree.

00:53:35.460 --> 00:53:35.820
Okay.

00:53:35.849 --> 00:53:37.949
And they're like holding me there, and I'm like, what's going on?

00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:38.730
I was like, be quiet.

00:53:38.730 --> 00:53:39.179
Be quiet.

00:53:39.210 --> 00:53:39.630
Who are you?

00:53:39.630 --> 00:53:40.139
Where is he?

00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:40.590
Where is he?

00:53:40.590 --> 00:53:41.130
Where is he?

00:53:41.925 --> 00:53:44.025
And I'm like, where's who?

00:53:44.025 --> 00:53:46.094
I'm just up sky, like I'm trying eating my burrito.

00:53:46.094 --> 00:53:52.425
I'm trying to remember like, dude, I'm trying to remember the name of the SRO at the high school, uh, and like name dropping.

00:53:52.755 --> 00:53:54.105
And I was like, I know this person.

00:53:54.105 --> 00:53:55.965
'cause I, I'm 22 years old.

00:53:55.965 --> 00:53:57.014
I was like, I know this cop.

00:53:57.014 --> 00:53:59.744
And they were like, don't even, don't even name drop with me.

00:54:00.815 --> 00:54:02.795
I'm like, am I being arrested or being detained?

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And they're like, if you were arrested, you, you'd know.

00:54:05.135 --> 00:54:09.755
And, and so all, and I'm there for about 15 minutes and all of a sudden they start realizing like, this isn't the guy, is it?

00:54:09.755 --> 00:54:10.295
This is the guy.

00:54:10.324 --> 00:54:15.155
Like you hear that like, I don't think this is the guy is, is this the guy?

00:54:15.155 --> 00:54:18.875
And so it was like a combination of CSU and Fort Collins cops.

00:54:18.965 --> 00:54:28.414
It was someone, the story is now, um,'cause one of the cops told me later on,'cause uh, he heard about this, um.

00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:30.659
I was riding my bike in Remington four.

00:54:30.659 --> 00:54:30.869
In the mar.

00:54:30.869 --> 00:54:32.250
There's some old fraternity houses.

00:54:32.250 --> 00:54:34.889
I think it's the Sigma, whatever, the one with the big pillars.

00:54:34.889 --> 00:54:34.980
When

00:54:34.980 --> 00:54:36.000
I first got here, I remember that

00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:39.300
there was two guys up on the roof playing Wiffle ball.

00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:39.929
Okay.

00:54:39.989 --> 00:54:48.929
Like up high that someone on college called it in as someone with a shotgun on the roof of Fort Collins High School because it's, it's like the one with the pillars.

00:54:48.929 --> 00:54:49.559
Yeah.

00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:49.570
Yeah.

00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:50.400
Right there.

00:54:50.954 --> 00:54:55.965
They got that call as Fort Collins High School has a shooter guy with active shooter, a gun on the roof.

00:54:56.414 --> 00:54:58.034
No, this is 2001.

00:54:58.034 --> 00:54:58.454
But still, right.

00:54:58.454 --> 00:54:59.114
It wasn no such thing.

00:54:59.505 --> 00:55:08.864
So since the heavy presence, um, you know, the, the, the immediacy, if you will of i it's, and the urgency by which they addressed you at all.

00:55:08.864 --> 00:55:11.954
The way up to this point I thought it was for peeing, right.

00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:16.545
I was like, wow, this is a really take real, seriously good police force.

00:55:16.565 --> 00:55:19.264
Because I was, I was second guessing, taking a whiz.

00:55:19.264 --> 00:55:21.094
You were like five seconds into your street.

00:55:21.094 --> 00:55:23.465
So eventually get, eventually they like take off.

00:55:23.465 --> 00:55:25.445
They're like, thanks for nothing asshole.

00:55:27.125 --> 00:55:29.255
Like, and then the dog ate my burrito.

00:55:29.644 --> 00:55:30.304
I don't doubt it.

00:55:30.364 --> 00:55:31.565
And they didn't stop him.

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And I was like, did not compensate.

00:55:32.375 --> 00:55:36.125
And I was like, the dog ate my, he was like, maybe you shouldn't have been.

00:55:36.364 --> 00:55:37.625
He said, you shouldn't have been peeing.

00:55:37.985 --> 00:55:38.284
Oh.

00:55:39.364 --> 00:55:41.914
He's like, if you want a ticket for peeing, I'll go buy you a burrito.

00:55:42.155 --> 00:55:42.425
Yeah.

00:55:42.485 --> 00:55:44.494
That's a good for Collin story from Scotty VI.

00:55:44.494 --> 00:55:44.914
Thanks Scotty.

00:55:44.914 --> 00:55:45.125
V.

00:55:45.644 --> 00:55:46.335
Appreciate you being here.

00:55:46.394 --> 00:55:46.605
Yeah.

00:55:46.934 --> 00:55:47.445
Godspeed.

00:55:47.445 --> 00:55:48.255
Good luck in November.

00:55:48.284 --> 00:55:48.644
Thank you.

00:55:48.855 --> 00:55:49.244
Yeah, Owen.

00:55:49.244 --> 00:55:49.695
And which

00:55:49.755 --> 00:55:51.344
I'll take your second place vote, by the way.

00:55:51.344 --> 00:55:52.755
I mean, remember this is ranked choice voting.

00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:53.719
Nobody knows what's gonna happen.

00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:54.000
Everybody.

00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:54.119
Yeah.

00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:54.440
Nobody knows.

00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:55.190
Gimme knows that Second, gimme that second.

00:55:55.425 --> 00:55:55.994
Give everybody

00:55:55.994 --> 00:55:57.014
the second place.

00:55:57.014 --> 00:55:58.034
Vote for Scotty V.

00:55:58.034 --> 00:55:58.994
You really can win that way.

00:55:59.025 --> 00:55:59.775
Yeah, you might.

00:56:00.315 --> 00:56:02.684
Um, which of these sauces would you like to take home with you?

00:56:02.775 --> 00:56:04.844
Um, that it, that second to last one?

00:56:04.875 --> 00:56:05.085
Yeah.

00:56:05.085 --> 00:56:06.315
One that really Room two 17.

00:56:06.494 --> 00:56:07.454
The one that kicked my butt.

00:56:07.635 --> 00:56:08.054
I like it.

00:56:08.264 --> 00:56:08.505
Yeah.

00:56:08.505 --> 00:56:09.405
I like a man of courage.

00:56:09.434 --> 00:56:10.184
That one's gonna go.

00:56:10.244 --> 00:56:10.605
Alright.

00:56:10.605 --> 00:56:11.085
Got speed.

00:56:11.175 --> 00:56:11.505
Thank you.