BONUS EPISODE - #1 Hot Nugs Conversation with Shirley Peel For Mayor of the City of Fort Collins

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Shirley Peele is a candidate for Fort Collins Mayor.

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And join me for the first of our hot Nugs conversations, a collaboration between Loco Think Tank Matador, Mexican Grill, old Town Spice Shop, and the Loco Experience Podcast.

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Please visit Shirley for foco.com to learn more about our platform and make sure to vote by or before November 4th, 2025.

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Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Loco Experience Podcast.

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This is part of our Hot Nugs conversation series.

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Today I'm here with Shirley Peele.

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Welcome Shirley.

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Thanks Kurt.

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Thanks for braving it.

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I just want you to know this is the very first podcast that I've ever been on before that's in my life, so I'm pretty excited.

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I'm honored.

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I'm honored.

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Yeah.

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And we do, we have a lot of, uh, first timers on this show.

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Oh, okay.

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You'll be okay.

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Yeah, I'm an old hand.

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Okay, good.

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Although I understand you are not a huge spice lover and so braving this when that's the case, uh, well, I want you to know that I'm gonna be all sweaty by the end of it.

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Okay.

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And like my hair is gonna be like a mohawk and so.

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No matter what happens, you're gonna look prettier than I do by the end.

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I don't know.

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I might be crying.

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I might be crying.

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Yeah.

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Don't get it.

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Any of your eyes or your nose, uh, just remember that.

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Okay.

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So, um, let's get started with just kind of a short introduction, um, maybe of a little bit of your background and, and, and a little bit of your why and be kind, becoming a mayoral candidate here for City of Fort Collins.

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Okay.

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And, uh, I'll give you a minute or two or whatever, whatever makes you comfortable.

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Okay.

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I can do that.

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Um, actually, I'll try to be short and sweet.

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I, my name is Shirley Peele and I've been in Fort Collins for 25 years.

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I have been married to my husband for 37 years and we raised four children here.

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Congratulations in Collins.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Uh, my background is in education.

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I have started several education initiatives.

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I've served on several education boards and I.

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Was honored to be elected to be on the Fort Collins City Council in 2021, I believe.

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Okay.

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20.

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Yes.

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I think.

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Um, and I served there for about three years and I tell people it was my, um, best job ever.

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Really.

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I really enjoyed it.

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What did you love about it?

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You know, I just, I love the people.

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Yeah.

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And I liked helping people with their problems with the city.

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I like solving problems.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, yeah, I just enjoyed it a lot.

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While I was on City council, I was on the Legislative affairs committee, I was on the finance committee, and I served on the, um, national League of Cities Youth and Family Advisory Board.

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Okay.

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So really busy.

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And currently, currently I'm serving on the Planning and zoning commission.

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Oh, wow.

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Which is, that's a whole new cup of worms to learn about, right?

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It is, it is.

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But I'm a little bit of a nerd, so I really like it and I'm learning a lot about our development review process.

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Yeah.

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And, um, and then our zoning and why I wanna be mayor.

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Well, my husband keeps asking me that.

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I bet your husband though.

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I'm on the random.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He keeps saying, why, why do you wanna do this?

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But it goes back to, um, I just really like being on council.

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I like serving, I like helping people.

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And one of the main reasons is my.

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Craig and I were very fortunate to raise our kids here, and our kids had so many opportunities and they were able to take advantage of all that Fort Collins has to offer.

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And I just wanna keep it that way for the next generation and the next generation.

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And the next generation.

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Yeah,

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I dig it.

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Um, well we are here for some hot nugs, so, um, Ava, are you ready with the first sauce and what is this first sauce, Shirley?

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It is, oh, sorry.

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It is the meador barbecue sauce.

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So just straight up barbecue sauce.

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Yeah.

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No fear here.

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Yeah,

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no fear.

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But we will share

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tasting notes, uh, okay.

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After each one.

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So, uh, cheers, I guess.

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Oh, I gotta get a little bit, a little bit more on there.

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There we go.

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Kind of, kind of stingy with the sauce.

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Yeah.

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Fill'em a little fuller.

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Next time.

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Maybe you have to, oh yeah.

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You said no double dipping.

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Yeah.

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You can double dip.

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We'll

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do the other one.

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Yeah.

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If you do the backside, we can do that, right?

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Yep.

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Okay, perfect.

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We, we have the same philosophy and it comes to double dipping.

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Okay.

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That has a, that's a little hint of spice.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not much.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very pleasant though.

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I, I grew up in Texas, so you got, you got to have really good barbecue sauce to impress me.

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And this is actually really good.

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Good job,

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Paul.

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And, and it's not too sweet, like it sweet, but it isn't like overpower you with that.

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Right.

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So our first question, when you finish chewing, I won't make you.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I got one more little bite chew.

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Our first question is from James Merkley with Story Path Creative, and James is a friend and a co-lab co collaborator here as well.

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Um, what's your fondest story to share about the people or community of Fort Collins?

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So, I, I'm gonna go at it from a little bit different perspective as one fondest story.

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I, I just wanna talk about memories and.

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There.

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I have no bad memories in Fort Collins and

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none.

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Well, no, I was trying to think about not even

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like a, a friend that didn't call you back when she said she, well, I

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mean, minor, maybe minor things, but the good definitely outweighs the bad.

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And I, when I think back on our time in Fort Collins, I think about like all the people that we've come in contact, uh, with through our kids' schools, activities, sports, and I, I just think on those are such good memories.

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And then, um, just the memories that my husband was at CSU, we have a lot of CSU memories.

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Okay.

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Is that what

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brought you here?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We moved here from

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And where, where had you been?

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Uh, I grew up in Texas, so.

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Okay.

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Yeah, you mentioned that.

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Yeah.

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In city

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Texas.

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Country, Texas.

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Well, so we came.

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I grew up in West Texas.

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We went to school in San Angelo, Texas, and then, uh, we lived on the border for a while, and then Craig was at a and m, so we came here from Texas a and m.

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Okay.

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So Brian College station area.

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But, um, but yeah, we have a lot of memories with, um, cam, the ram.

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My husband was the faculty advisor, and so we had Cam at our house Oh wow.

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For years.

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And then, so consequently we had college students in and out our house.

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I mean, it was literally a revolving door.

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Oh,

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so you've really touched a lot of sectors.

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It seems to me like with between the education initiatives and I, I might wanna dig more into that.

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Yeah.

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But also part of CSU culture and the university is different than Right.

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You know, uh, what for post-secondary?

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What?

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No, that's post-secondary.

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Secondary what?

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Primary education is what they call the kiddos.

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Right.

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Primary.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, um.

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But also then in government.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And uh, yeah.

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So what do you think about um,

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well, when I run into, it's funny when I run into people and they say, do I know you?

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And I'm like, yeah, I think I know you.

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And so then we have to go through this whole list, kids, CSU education.

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Right?

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And so we're like, oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I used to sit at the soccer club with, with you 2010.

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Yeah, exactly.

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When you're, when our boys were both 13.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's fun.

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It's fun to look back on all that and remember that.

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And it's good memories.

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Yeah.

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And my kids have good memories from here too.

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Was your, what was your favorite sport?

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Um, well, we're from Texas, so can you guess what our favorites kind football, I would guess Yes.

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Football.

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That, that was, and did several of your boys play?

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Uh, both my boys played.

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Both.

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Or both of your boys?

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Yeah.

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And I, football was my favorite like.

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Just favorite sport.

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My daughter, one of my daughters was a high level gymnast and I don't like gymnastics.

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I have PSD

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You get terrified every time she's up in the air.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Trying to grab the bargain.

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Yeah.

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And she was actually an elite gymnast, so it was pretty intense.

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And um, and, but actually track, I loved watching track, so

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that's cool.

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And it, can I grab brag on my kids for a little bit?

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Sure, yeah.

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If you go to Rocky Mountain High School, both my girls are on the wall for state championships.

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Oh wow.

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So won in track and one in gymnastics.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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Yeah.

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What was the track stars?

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Uh, sport,

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uh, her race was the 800.

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So yeah,

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in the mid, which is the hardest, like some people are spinner and other people are long distances, but there aren't that many mids.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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So I think we're ready for the next, uh, okay.

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Next, uh, sample.

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This is a dry rub this time from Old Town Spice Shop.

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And what's the,

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this is a Buffalo hot wing rub.

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Buffalo little hot wing rub.

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So this would be, I guess, uh, kind of used for your wings if you want dry rub hot wing style.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So here we go.

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Ooh, that's pretty healthy.

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I'm just, I can smell it from here.

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I'm just gonna take a little dip.

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Yeah, that's good.

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That's good.

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You do that.

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Mm.

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That's not so bad.

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No.

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Mm, really yummy.

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Good job, Sean.

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That Dexter looks really good.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm trying to figure out what I'm tasting there.

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What are you tasting?

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Yeah, there's definitely, well, the cool thing is it almost tastes like it's got like the, the buttery flavor Yeah.

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Of like the, the proper buffalo hot wing sauce, right.

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Plus the Frankie's kind of flavors.

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So,

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yeah.

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I like that a lot actually.

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Yeah.

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Good job guys.

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They set this up just so we could brag about them.

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Oh.

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For 45 minutes or so while we eat nuggets, but we will ask questions.

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Paul is the next one from Matador Mexican Grill.

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The, uh, the creator of, or not the creator.

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These guys collaborate on sauces.

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So the sauces that Old Town Spice Shops sells, most of them are made by Paul too.

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Oh, okay.

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In this commissary, but they're designed by Sean.

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Okay, nice.

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So

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they got quite a, quite a system going there.

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So Paul says, what is your plan to help support small businesses to start and grow in Northern Colorado?

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Okay.

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Easy, easy.

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So small businesses, or actually local businesses are kind of my, um, they're kind of my soapbox these days.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Because.

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I, as you know, our economy is based on our local business, right.

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It's based on our tax base.

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So if our, if our business community's not healthy, then our economy's not healthy.

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We don't wet have cod milk.

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Right?

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And so I feel like I've been beating the drum for the last five years now about the health of our business community.

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And I, the first thing I wanna do is create a very pro business environment because if you, um.

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If you look back over the last 10 years, for some reason the opinion of the business community has taken a hit.

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I don't know why.

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Like what the business

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community thinks about or what people think about the business community.

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No.

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What

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people, yes.

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They've kind of become the bad guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's changed.

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I wrote about that

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last month.

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Okay.

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That trust and especially of what are perceived as the wealthy.

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Right.

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Like it's like eat the rich, kind of like 40% of people and like 55% of kids are like, eat the rich.

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Right.

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Right.

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I was just, and when

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you're a small business owner with a burrito shop and you're like not rich.

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Right.

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Not, not rich.

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Don't eat me, eat my burritos.

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Right.

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More of them please.

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Yes.

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And actually when I was on council, I would talk to businesses and they weren't shy about showing me their bottom line.

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Yeah.

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And Right.

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They're like a 3% margin.

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Yeah.

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Most of the small businesses here.

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Mm-hmm.

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So one little thing

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Totally

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will just wipe it out.

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Yeah.

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When insurance

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costs go way up and things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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But the city staff dedicated to small business has grown from five to 12 over the last 10 years.

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So they must be doing a lot more to help small business.

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Well, I think that was one of my points, so, so let me back up a little bit.

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So the other thing I wanna do is make sure that businesses, or I'm sorry, excuse me, the city is not hindering businesses with their regulations and their processes, which while I was on council, I had several.

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People in the business community reach out to me and say, Hey, I'm having so much trouble getting through this city process.

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Can you help me?

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Yeah.

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And

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so I was able to walk them through that.

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Um, so that's another thing.

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Are you trying

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to doge it at, at, uh, planning and zoning committee?

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No.

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No.

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And I will, can I give a shout out to the P and z?

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'cause right now I think there's, we have an excellent PNC.

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Cool.

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Good.

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Um, very balanced.

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It's the process, right?

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Mm.

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You have to adhere to the processes and the, you're stuck with kind of what We got the stand right now, right?

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What we got, so, no, no, doge.

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Um, but, so anyway, processes.

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We wanna be efficient, right?

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And we wanna be timely.

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And then the last thing, you know, you're talking about the increase, right?

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At the city, on the city staff.

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I, I would like to take a look and see exactly what we're doing.

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Because I, it seems like we could be doing a better job if we've increased that much and we're still having issues.

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I think we need to, well, a lot of resources

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seem to be dedicated to bringing new businesses into Fort Collins from afar.

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Yeah.

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But we don't have any place for them to build or any water for them to buy if they're a big employer.

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So it's hard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so,

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but the, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's Then they go to Greeley.

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Yeah.

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After they visit Fort Collins.

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I know.

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That's why our

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tech base is going south and east, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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So,

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well, that probably seems like a hairy enough answer for, yeah.

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For, for now on that question.

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Um, who's your, do you want give any small business shout outs?

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Some, uh, um, places, not as a candidate, not because they donated to your campaign, but just ones that you moved here, here and you're like, these are awesome.

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Yes.

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Well, when we first moved here, three, three margaritas was Oh yeah.

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The place to go.

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'cause on Tuesday night, your kids.

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I think they used to eat for free.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Or reduced or something.

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So that, that was our oldest favorite one.

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Um, currently our favorite is Taco Stop.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then I do a lot of business at, uh, not business, but I meet a lot of people at Lima Coffee and uh, uh, happy Trails Coffee.

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Hmm.

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That those have Oh yeah.

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Have kind of become my office Happy Trails.

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Is is, uh, the, the snack attack?

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Yeah.

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Folks.

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Yeah, they're right there.

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It's,

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it's out of my like Yeah.

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I don't go that way much.

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Yeah.

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But I've been meaning to check it out'cause I've been increasingly stopping in the snack attack, so I felt figured I should check out that coffee shop too.

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Yeah.

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It's great.

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It's central to meet people, so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Um, onto the next, okay.

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Are you ready for us?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Ava, Sue,

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we, oh, I might cry on this one.

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Uhoh honey.

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Jalapeno sauce.

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Oh.

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That's interesting.

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It looks like honey.

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Yeah.

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Maybe the honey will cut the, the spice.

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I'm not scared.

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Okay.

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You go first.

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Okay.

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I'll pass it to you so you can get a good old, you can just do light spa first time.

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Okay.

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Oh, it's got the flakes in it.

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Mm.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So is spicy.

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No, no.

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Like, like, kind of a little bit, but like, have you ever had jalapeno jelly?

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, it tastes

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like that.

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Yeah.

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See?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jalapeno jelly is a staple in Texas.

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I'm good.

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I've got enough here.

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Okay.

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Mm.

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Tasting.

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That's a really nice,

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yeah, I like that too.

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But it is, I can feel I'm getting a little, it's getting a little hotter.

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Yeah, I'm getting a little glow,

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but, but I'm not crying yet, so we're good.

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Yeah, that's good.

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That's good.

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Is that your reaction as you cry, like your eyes tear up and stuff?

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Mm-hmm.

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That's when I hear sad stories.

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Right.

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Usually a good job of shielding your chewing.

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So I'm just flopping away over here, by the way.

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We can take a break whenever we choose.

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Oh, okay.

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Might be more important later.

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We can do a milk break too.

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Oh yeah.

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Shout out to morning fresh dairy.

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Okay.

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If we're donating, uh, root beer and milk Okay.

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For us to have here, if we want to, we decided we would just go with, uh, red wine and bourbon, uh, with bubble water for the first little bit.

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Hmm.

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I kind of want to like drink that one.

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I know.

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That's really good.

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Excuse me.

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Um, but yes.

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Good job.

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And is that one must be Old Town Spice Shop branded?

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Uh, no, it's, no, that's Matador.

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Uh, Matador.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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So good job, Paul.

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Once again.

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Um, third question.

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Okay.

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This one is from, uh, mayor Emeritus, Wade Trel.

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You probably know Wade.

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I do know Wade.

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Everybody knows Wade.

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Uh, Eddie's, uh, pa twice past guests or maybe, yeah, at least twice.

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Okay.

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And, uh, Eddie listens regularly.00:18:41.282 --> 00:18:42.992


He'll gimme shout outs from time to time.00:18:42.992 --> 00:18:44.613


He is like, oh, I like that episode.00:18:44.613 --> 00:18:44.673


Yeah.00:18:44.673 --> 00:18:46.383


So shout out to Wade.00:18:46.712 --> 00:18:55.173


His question is, uh, actually a repeat of a, of a recent question that you guys faced in a, in a in-person event, but it wasn't live, right.00:18:55.173 --> 00:19:02.732


So, Fort Collins has been described as the choice city of Colorado and is known for beers, bikes, and bands and more.00:19:03.393 --> 00:19:08.702


What is your vision for the evolving brand for the city of Fort Collins 30 years from now?00:19:08.702 --> 00:19:10.113


What might we be known for?00:19:10.532 --> 00:19:22.593


Okay, so I, I don't know if you would think that this is a brand, but, but I really, um, I really want this wholeheartedly.00:19:24.182 --> 00:19:31.772


I, 30 years from now, I want people to look at Fort Collins and say they got it right.00:19:32.853 --> 00:19:34.772


They got their zoning right.00:19:35.222 --> 00:19:36.962


They got their infrastructure right.00:19:37.623 --> 00:19:41.163


They got their, um, distribution of water.00:19:41.163 --> 00:19:41.792


Right.00:19:42.512 --> 00:19:45.363


They got the safety in their neighborhoods.00:19:45.363 --> 00:19:46.113


Right?00:19:46.532 --> 00:19:46.712


Yeah.00:19:46.803 --> 00:19:48.817


And their relationship with the university, right?00:19:48.877 --> 00:19:49.097


Yes.00:19:49.113 --> 00:19:49.413


Right.00:19:49.413 --> 00:19:59.432


Everything I, I, I wanted, I want us to be such an example that people from all over the country go, wow, we need to look at what they're doing in Fort, but won't00:19:59.432 --> 00:20:00.663


they just try to move here then?00:20:00.663 --> 00:20:00.722


Yeah.00:20:00.722 --> 00:20:02.492


And make our housing costs too much,00:20:03.843 --> 00:20:07.292


you know, maybe, but, but if we get our zoning00:20:07.292 --> 00:20:08.073


right, yeah.00:20:08.073 --> 00:20:09.813


And maybe figure it out a little bit better.00:20:09.813 --> 00:20:12.423


Maybe we can actually have enough housing and enough water.00:20:12.452 --> 00:20:12.542


Yes.00:20:13.097 --> 00:20:13.847


Exactly.00:20:13.847 --> 00:20:25.577


And just, that's one hard thing about being on council is sometimes I get paralyzed trying to make a decision because I'm trying to see down the road at what the cons, unintended consequences are.00:20:26.238 --> 00:20:32.057


And because I so wanna get everything right, I want, you know, I want us to be the, were you like the00:20:32.057 --> 00:20:33.228


super A plus student?00:20:33.228 --> 00:20:36.002


Like all through school and stuff, you wanted to get everything right?00:20:36.002 --> 00:20:36.012


Yes.00:20:36.012 --> 00:20:36.032


And I00:20:36.032 --> 00:20:37.097


was a yes.00:20:37.097 --> 00:20:40.667


And I am, I'm a perfectionist, but that's why I had four kids.00:20:40.698 --> 00:20:41.748


'cause you can't be a perfectionist.00:20:41.837 --> 00:20:42.738


That took some of it outta you.00:20:42.738 --> 00:20:45.798


Yes, yes.00:20:45.798 --> 00:20:50.208


So, but yeah, I just want them to say, wow, they planned for the future really well.00:20:50.268 --> 00:20:50.538


Yeah.00:20:51.137 --> 00:20:55.218


I, uh, one of my favorite bumper stickers is, uh, save the Pooter.00:20:55.218 --> 00:20:55.278


Yeah.00:20:55.488 --> 00:20:56.538


Store it in Glade.00:20:58.397 --> 00:21:00.317


Yeah, I'm not gonna touch that.00:21:02.462 --> 00:21:03.252


I'm not touching that.00:21:04.877 --> 00:21:05.417


Alright.00:21:05.567 --> 00:21:06.167


Alright.00:21:06.587 --> 00:21:07.323


I'm not touching that.00:21:07.363 --> 00:21:08.028


I could be that guy.00:21:08.087 --> 00:21:09.377


You don't have to be that lady.00:21:11.268 --> 00:21:15.018


Um, did we cover, I think we covered that question pretty00:21:15.018 --> 00:21:15.228


well.00:21:15.228 --> 00:21:15.708


Yes, I think so.00:21:15.708 --> 00:21:15.887


A little00:21:15.887 --> 00:21:16.817


bit of accessories.00:21:16.823 --> 00:21:16.843


Yeah.00:21:17.538 --> 00:21:26.567


Um, the next sauce, madam, and by the way, Ava, if you wanna drink the rest of that honey jalapeno stuff, I will not judge you.00:21:26.567 --> 00:21:27.032


Lemme just this really quick.00:21:28.583 --> 00:21:29.232


It's so good.00:21:29.823 --> 00:21:30.113


Okay.00:21:30.222 --> 00:21:35.538


This one sounds like it might be getting a little scary, uh, rebel uprising.00:21:35.597 --> 00:21:36.137


Oh yeah.00:21:36.137 --> 00:21:37.637


This is Brewhouse sauces.00:21:37.758 --> 00:21:38.597


Is that a difference?00:21:38.657 --> 00:21:38.897


Yeah.00:21:38.897 --> 00:21:40.518


It's actually one of Sean's brands.00:21:40.548 --> 00:21:40.607


Oh, okay.00:21:40.698 --> 00:21:42.228


Uh, from Old Town Spice Shop.00:21:42.228 --> 00:21:43.577


And this is his question.00:21:43.637 --> 00:21:44.028


Okay.00:21:44.327 --> 00:21:47.478


Um, well, I guess we asked the question after we dip, huh?00:21:47.627 --> 00:21:48.468


Yes, I dip.00:21:48.468 --> 00:21:49.153


You dip, you dip.00:21:49.307 --> 00:21:51.978


We dip Here.00:21:51.978 --> 00:21:53.657


I'll ladies first if you like.00:21:55.002 --> 00:21:55.343


All right.00:21:56.913 --> 00:21:58.383


Little nervous about this one.00:21:58.383 --> 00:21:58.563


You did a00:21:58.563 --> 00:22:01.833


nice healthy dip there for a, I know nervous gal.00:22:01.833 --> 00:22:06.242


Appreciate your enthusiasm.00:22:06.722 --> 00:22:07.053


Okay.00:22:07.627 --> 00:22:08.252


I, I won't.00:22:08.313 --> 00:22:08.583


Yeah.00:22:09.212 --> 00:22:10.022


That one's been a little mm-hmm.00:22:10.593 --> 00:22:11.282


Too much,00:22:14.462 --> 00:22:15.272


but nice.00:22:15.932 --> 00:22:15.992


Yeah.00:22:15.992 --> 00:22:18.992


I think even as a spice skeptic, you're Yeah.00:22:18.992 --> 00:22:20.133


Finding the joy in there.00:22:21.333 --> 00:22:22.143


I like the flavor.00:22:22.143 --> 00:22:22.383


I'm into the00:22:22.383 --> 00:22:22.982


backside,00:22:23.042 --> 00:22:24.827


but my mouth is starting to burn a little,00:22:26.192 --> 00:22:27.002


but not too bad.00:22:27.032 --> 00:22:33.363


It's neat how it's got a, like, sometimes the tomato flavor doesn't really come through once a sauce.00:22:33.363 --> 00:22:33.452


Mm-hmm.00:22:33.692 --> 00:22:37.202


It gets this spicy, but this one still has a really nice Yep.00:22:37.413 --> 00:22:39.182


Almost like a salsa vibe going on.00:22:40.893 --> 00:22:48.813


It's also kind of got a, like a, I don't know what you would say, like a zing or a tart.00:22:49.232 --> 00:22:49.593


Taste.00:22:49.653 --> 00:22:49.863


Yeah.00:22:49.863 --> 00:22:50.613


Yeah, yeah,00:22:50.643 --> 00:22:50.913


yeah.00:22:51.333 --> 00:22:51.482


Yeah.00:22:51.482 --> 00:22:53.222


Very nice job guys.00:22:53.222 --> 00:22:54.363


My eyes are watering a little.00:22:54.573 --> 00:22:54.843


My,00:22:54.843 --> 00:22:56.313


actually it's, I'm starting to drip.00:22:56.792 --> 00:22:56.972


Yeah.00:22:56.972 --> 00:22:58.413


My forehead is starting to drip.00:22:58.623 --> 00:22:59.942


Uh, you could probably see it.00:22:59.972 --> 00:23:01.682


I think you as big as baby as I am.00:23:01.803 --> 00:23:02.313


Oh, yeah.00:23:02.522 --> 00:23:04.383


But my, my mouth can take it.00:23:04.772 --> 00:23:06.303


My, my stomach can take it.00:23:06.303 --> 00:23:08.942


Oh, my digestive system.00:23:08.942 --> 00:23:10.053


Not quite as much.00:23:10.053 --> 00:23:13.232


And definitely my face and sweaty forehead.00:23:14.252 --> 00:23:15.482


It's gonna get ugly from here.00:23:15.542 --> 00:23:16.202


Just to remind you.00:23:16.208 --> 00:23:17.853


I might, I might need the milk in a minute though.00:23:17.853 --> 00:23:18.093


Okay.00:23:18.093 --> 00:23:18.423


Well00:23:18.603 --> 00:23:21.452


actually I think we'll take a break'cause we'll be halfway done after this question.00:23:21.782 --> 00:23:22.083


Okay.00:23:22.232 --> 00:23:27.182


And then we can prepare ourselves with some milk and, uh, I might have a little bit of that red wine.00:23:27.212 --> 00:23:27.542


Okay.00:23:27.633 --> 00:23:30.032


Because it seems just a little nicer with this than Yeah.00:23:30.393 --> 00:23:31.232


With the bourbon.00:23:31.653 --> 00:23:33.542


And first Sean's question.00:23:33.542 --> 00:23:33.782


Question.00:23:35.313 --> 00:23:45.002


The proposed, um, paid on-street parking, the proposal for paid on-street parking in Fort Collins, AMSU address revenues and parking turnover.00:23:45.633 --> 00:23:54.093


How do you plan to balance the city's need for revenue and parking management with concerns of business owners and customers regarding accessibility and affordability?00:23:55.053 --> 00:23:56.012


Yeah, so00:23:56.252 --> 00:23:57.542


very old town specific.00:23:57.573 --> 00:23:57.873


Right.00:23:58.323 --> 00:24:07.803


And uh, so I actually, you know, when you're running for mayor, everybody expects you to be an expert on everything, right?00:24:08.222 --> 00:24:08.432


Well, you00:24:08.432 --> 00:24:09.182


planning, zoning committee.00:24:09.407 --> 00:24:09.698


Yeah.00:24:09.698 --> 00:24:10.298


You know, just kidding.00:24:10.303 --> 00:24:10.593


Yeah.00:24:10.923 --> 00:24:22.982


So I actually, to be completely transparent, I have just started like researching this and diving into it and, um, trying to figure out the thing.00:24:22.982 --> 00:24:33.423


The thing that concerns me right now is I'm hearing that businesses were not consulted about this, and they're feeling kind of blindsided by this.00:24:33.573 --> 00:24:38.792


So like, well, I think I read that Fort Collins like hired this big consultancy to like study it.00:24:38.792 --> 00:24:40.137


Parking plan wouldn't.00:24:40.788 --> 00:24:44.567


Like interviewing like a hundred small businesses downtown.00:24:44.567 --> 00:24:46.607


Be part of a good engagement in that regard,00:24:46.817 --> 00:24:46.938


right?00:24:46.942 --> 00:24:47.143


Yes.00:24:47.268 --> 00:24:47.387


But00:24:47.387 --> 00:24:48.317


nobody did.00:24:48.317 --> 00:24:50.057


Or not most people did, or that's00:24:50.057 --> 00:24:51.827


what I'm hearing from the business community.00:24:51.827 --> 00:24:51.857


Okay.00:24:51.857 --> 00:24:52.127


Gotcha.00:24:52.248 --> 00:24:52.577


Right.00:24:52.577 --> 00:24:56.057


I haven't, and like I said, I'm just starting to investigate.00:24:56.117 --> 00:24:56.357


So00:24:56.357 --> 00:24:58.742


the city needs to share kind of some of their process.00:24:58.742 --> 00:24:58.968


Yes.00:24:58.998 --> 00:24:59.567


At least.00:24:59.597 --> 00:24:59.718


Yes.00:25:00.407 --> 00:25:06.917


And we, so at the very least, the business community in downtown needs to be at the table.00:25:07.518 --> 00:25:07.577


Yeah.00:25:07.577 --> 00:25:08.778


Any discussion on that?00:25:08.837 --> 00:25:21.702


And then second of all, whatever solution we come up with it, it needs to make sure it's not on the backs of the businesses and it, uh, needs to make sure that it's not making it harder for them.00:25:21.702 --> 00:25:22.577


Well, if it chase people00:25:22.577 --> 00:25:25.907


out of coming to downtown, like people already kind of avoid downtown.00:25:25.907 --> 00:25:25.917


Right.00:25:25.968 --> 00:25:27.377


Like southsiders and stuff.00:25:27.377 --> 00:25:27.823


Right, right, right.00:25:27.827 --> 00:25:28.067


Yeah.00:25:28.097 --> 00:25:30.827


But if that became contagious, it would be rough.00:25:30.887 --> 00:25:31.278


Yes.00:25:31.488 --> 00:25:37.428


You know, we wouldn't have that vibrant downtown with the dogs and the people and the sunny days and all the things00:25:37.488 --> 00:25:38.178


and.00:25:38.883 --> 00:25:45.752


Um, I can't remember the percentage of our tax base that comes from downtown, but it's, it's pretty significant Right.00:25:45.752 --> 00:25:46.928


Compared to the rest of the city.00:25:46.998 --> 00:25:47.288


Yeah.00:25:47.288 --> 00:25:48.272


With the declining sales,00:25:48.272 --> 00:25:49.623


it's not like the mall is pulling its weight.00:25:49.623 --> 00:25:49.772


Right.00:25:50.373 --> 00:25:50.728


You know?00:25:51.663 --> 00:25:51.843


Right.00:25:51.843 --> 00:25:51.903


Yeah.00:25:52.383 --> 00:25:57.512


Um, do you know like how full are the parking garages downtown?00:25:57.512 --> 00:25:58.923


Like are they full up already?00:25:59.133 --> 00:25:59.432


Um, I,00:25:59.972 --> 00:26:02.823


or like, are people just avoiding the parking garages?00:26:02.823 --> 00:26:03.603


'cause you gotta pay.00:26:04.022 --> 00:26:04.623


Well, because that's a00:26:04.623 --> 00:26:05.972


challenge of it too, right?00:26:06.032 --> 00:26:07.127


Well, I think, I don't.00:26:08.057 --> 00:26:10.218


It's not, the parking garages are not that much.00:26:10.218 --> 00:26:10.307


They're00:26:10.307 --> 00:26:10.792


so cheap.00:26:10.792 --> 00:26:11.073


Right.00:26:11.867 --> 00:26:14.117


I think it's more of a convenience factor.00:26:14.178 --> 00:26:14.387


Right.00:26:14.387 --> 00:26:17.657


People want to park like right where they wanna go.00:26:17.688 --> 00:26:17.988


Yeah.00:26:18.048 --> 00:26:20.298


They don't wanna walk basically.00:26:20.448 --> 00:26:23.208


So we need more parking garages that charge just a little bit.00:26:23.208 --> 00:26:25.817


And you can play the lottery for free parking on the street.00:26:25.847 --> 00:26:26.327


Yeah.00:26:26.327 --> 00:26:26.357


I don't know.00:26:26.357 --> 00:26:27.198


But they just fight for it.00:26:27.258 --> 00:26:27.978


Yeah, I know.00:26:27.978 --> 00:26:28.847


Like, and I, you keep00:26:28.952 --> 00:26:30.002


driving around looking for it.00:26:30.002 --> 00:26:30.167


Explore00:26:30.167 --> 00:26:32.958


it with, uh, ginger, you know, ginger and bakery.00:26:33.018 --> 00:26:33.288


Oh, yeah.00:26:33.292 --> 00:26:33.472


Yeah.00:26:33.528 --> 00:26:33.768


Like00:26:33.827 --> 00:26:39.377


they, I don't know how much, like if the city helps'em pay the rent on the parking lot that they rent from Moss's Lumber.00:26:39.468 --> 00:26:39.827


Right.00:26:39.917 --> 00:26:41.028


Doubt it Kind of.00:26:41.028 --> 00:26:44.208


But like, it seems like if the city of Fort Collins wants there to be.00:26:44.748 --> 00:26:48.228


A north side corridor, which they've wanted to do forever.00:26:48.377 --> 00:26:48.468


Right.00:26:49.637 --> 00:26:53.837


Well, they've got a certain element of obligation into providing parking for things that need00:26:53.837 --> 00:26:54.228


parking.00:26:54.403 --> 00:26:54.752


Right.00:26:55.188 --> 00:26:55.428


Right.00:26:55.877 --> 00:26:56.208


Yes.00:26:56.208 --> 00:26:59.028


And parking, the parking issue is not gonna go away.00:26:59.147 --> 00:26:59.417


Yeah.00:26:59.597 --> 00:27:02.567


So again, it's something that we need to get right.00:27:02.567 --> 00:27:03.407


Maybe all of our tallest00:27:03.407 --> 00:27:05.792


buildings in Fort College to just all be parking garages.00:27:05.792 --> 00:27:05.803


Right.00:27:06.048 --> 00:27:08.057


Like everything else needs to be three stories and below.00:27:08.057 --> 00:27:09.498


'cause it can't get through P and Z otherwise.00:27:09.768 --> 00:27:10.097


Right, right.00:27:11.657 --> 00:27:11.958


Well,00:27:11.958 --> 00:27:18.647


I think with the new land use code, the commercial piece that's coming out, I think they're gonna relax that a little bit.00:27:18.738 --> 00:27:18.768


Okay.00:27:18.768 --> 00:27:22.397


I haven't, I haven't looked at all warm variety of potentially and stuff too, so yeah,00:27:22.692 --> 00:27:22.913


go.00:27:23.022 --> 00:27:23.313


Yeah.00:27:23.357 --> 00:27:24.077


You ready for a break?00:27:24.288 --> 00:27:24.528


Sure.00:27:24.768 --> 00:27:25.458


Okay, let's do it.00:28:14.948 --> 00:28:16.417


And here we are back from our break.00:28:17.147 --> 00:28:19.028


And, uh, so far so good.00:28:19.147 --> 00:28:19.298


Okay.00:28:19.387 --> 00:28:20.077


Yeah, we survived it.00:28:20.317 --> 00:28:20.587


I know.00:28:20.587 --> 00:28:21.278


We're having fun.00:28:21.577 --> 00:28:27.488


This is, uh, we're told similarly hot the next couple before they get a little hotter again.00:28:27.548 --> 00:28:27.667


Okay.00:28:28.028 --> 00:28:31.778


Um, and this is the Matador Buffalo, that right?00:28:31.782 --> 00:28:32.827


Yes, the me, yes.00:28:32.827 --> 00:28:34.057


Matador, buffalo sauce.00:28:34.147 --> 00:28:34.448


Okay.00:28:35.228 --> 00:28:35.647


You ready?00:28:35.768 --> 00:28:35.948


Yeah.00:28:36.278 --> 00:28:36.458


Okay.00:28:36.458 --> 00:28:39.488


We'll do it ladies first.00:28:42.758 --> 00:28:43.208


Oh, shoot.00:28:43.357 --> 00:28:43.538


Sorry.00:28:43.538 --> 00:28:43.897


That's all right.00:28:48.248 --> 00:28:48.607


Hmm.00:28:49.238 --> 00:28:49.508


Oh,00:28:51.817 --> 00:28:52.117


nope,00:28:55.627 --> 00:28:56.347


that one's too.00:28:57.712 --> 00:28:58.972


Tomato, I think, or00:28:59.212 --> 00:28:59.423


Hmm,00:28:59.752 --> 00:29:00.113


too.00:29:01.432 --> 00:29:03.232


Oh, so it's not the spice that's turning you off.00:29:03.232 --> 00:29:04.282


It's something else.00:29:04.313 --> 00:29:04.702


Yeah.00:29:04.942 --> 00:29:05.153


Okay.00:29:05.153 --> 00:29:05.813


Sorry guys.00:29:05.817 --> 00:29:06.262


Spice Spice isnt bad.00:29:06.262 --> 00:29:06.623


First time.00:29:06.623 --> 00:29:07.673


They surely didn't like it.00:29:07.673 --> 00:29:08.363


I know.00:29:09.593 --> 00:29:11.093


The spice is not bad.00:29:11.393 --> 00:29:12.772


No, I think it's just right.00:29:13.208 --> 00:29:13.627


But the00:29:14.048 --> 00:29:20.873


but the, the buffalo powder better recreates the flavor I'm looking for when I'm buffaloing than that.00:29:20.873 --> 00:29:20.992


Right.00:29:21.053 --> 00:29:22.252


There's too, I, I agree.00:29:22.252 --> 00:29:22.313


Yeah.00:29:22.468 --> 00:29:22.627


Yeah.00:29:22.643 --> 00:29:22.883


Sorry.00:29:22.883 --> 00:29:24.022


Paul retune it a little bit.00:29:24.022 --> 00:29:25.913


There's a little bit more of that tomato flavor out there.00:29:26.303 --> 00:29:28.673


Yeah, it's too, it's too strong or something.00:29:28.673 --> 00:29:29.423


I dunno.00:29:29.688 --> 00:29:39.593


And I have right here the, uh, root beer from morning fresh dairy, which is delicious.00:29:40.972 --> 00:29:44.307


You're not onto the milk yet'cause you don't need it stick I don't mean the milk with the red wine in my way.00:29:44.337 --> 00:29:44.627


I'll00:29:44.627 --> 00:29:45.188


stick with the red wine.00:29:45.262 --> 00:29:45.442


Yeah.00:29:46.613 --> 00:29:53.212


So our fifth question is, Ooh, the social hot topic.00:29:55.417 --> 00:30:04.958


How would you rate the city of Fort Collins on its homelessness initiatives in recent decades and recent years, and what changes would you recommend to the program going forward,00:30:07.928 --> 00:30:08.167


you think?00:30:08.288 --> 00:30:14.948


Um, so I do think the city of Fort Collins is doing a good job in some aspects, right?00:30:15.788 --> 00:30:25.958


I think the, the outreach for Collins that they, you know, the pro, that program, I actually walked along with them on it.00:30:26.012 --> 00:30:26.303


Yeah.00:30:26.303 --> 00:30:26.978


They came to a rotary00:30:26.978 --> 00:30:31.327


club, uh, about eight months ago or something, and I was like, oh wow, that's actually pretty cool.00:30:31.357 --> 00:30:31.928


Yes, it is.00:30:31.928 --> 00:30:33.307


And they're very good at what they do.00:30:33.307 --> 00:30:33.667


Yeah.00:30:34.057 --> 00:30:34.597


And.00:30:35.258 --> 00:30:38.498


And to activate volunteers to do that kind of important work.00:30:38.978 --> 00:30:39.067


Yes.00:30:39.067 --> 00:30:41.557


Like frankly, the city don't have enough money to do it00:30:41.738 --> 00:30:42.127


Right.00:30:42.127 --> 00:30:42.907


All itself.00:30:42.907 --> 00:30:43.028


Right.00:30:43.028 --> 00:30:45.442


You kind of have to activate people that care about that cause they00:30:45.442 --> 00:30:45.563


do.00:30:45.563 --> 00:30:45.762


Yes.00:30:45.782 --> 00:30:47.438


And they are very dedicated.00:30:47.498 --> 00:30:47.768


Yeah.00:30:47.887 --> 00:30:48.667


Very dedicated.00:30:48.667 --> 00:30:54.758


So, so that, I've also done a ride along with the mental health team, with the Fort Cols pd.00:30:54.998 --> 00:30:55.057


Okay.00:30:55.057 --> 00:30:57.577


I think that is an excellent program.00:30:58.298 --> 00:30:58.897


Um, that's00:30:59.002 --> 00:31:01.688


like where they send like a counselor along with a cop mm-hmm.00:31:01.928 --> 00:31:03.067


Or something instead of just a cop.00:31:03.097 --> 00:31:03.397


Yep.00:31:03.428 --> 00:31:04.928


So they have a mental health worker.00:31:05.048 --> 00:31:05.317


Right.00:31:05.323 --> 00:31:05.442


Talk to00:31:05.522 --> 00:31:06.188


em instead of just shoot'em.00:31:06.278 --> 00:31:06.637


Yes.00:31:06.637 --> 00:31:06.998


Just kidding.00:31:06.998 --> 00:31:07.448


Exactly.00:31:08.557 --> 00:31:09.577


We hope they always do that.00:31:09.823 --> 00:31:12.218


But, but yes.00:31:12.218 --> 00:31:16.718


And I've actually been along with, you know, the mental health worker and the, the police officer.00:31:16.718 --> 00:31:18.607


So that is a really good program.00:31:19.448 --> 00:31:26.528


I think the way they clean up the camps where they go and give notice.00:31:27.008 --> 00:31:27.097


Right.00:31:27.097 --> 00:31:30.008


And then they don't just, you know, clean it up and throw it away.00:31:30.008 --> 00:31:31.238


They, um.00:31:31.522 --> 00:31:32.482


Store their stuff.00:31:32.542 --> 00:31:32.692


Oh, really?00:31:32.692 --> 00:31:33.633


And tell where they can find it.00:31:33.827 --> 00:31:34.673


You can check it out further.00:31:34.673 --> 00:31:40.373


It's very compassionate, but it's also not allowing them to trespass, whether they're not, can't have you be here on this person's property.00:31:40.403 --> 00:31:40.673


Right.00:31:40.708 --> 00:31:43.522


Or in a park where people want to Yes, yes.00:31:43.522 --> 00:31:43.762


Whatever.00:31:43.853 --> 00:31:53.333


So, and then I think even though I'm not a big fan of where they're putting the new shelter, yeah.00:31:53.722 --> 00:31:55.313


I think it's needed.00:31:55.373 --> 00:31:59.123


And I think that's gonna, um, that's gonna help a lot.00:32:00.232 --> 00:32:08.528


What I would like to see them do better is I do think there needs to be stronger consequences for, for criminality.00:32:08.528 --> 00:32:08.633


For criminality.00:32:09.587 --> 00:32:09.807


Yes.00:32:10.252 --> 00:32:13.192


And especially as it affects our.00:32:14.182 --> 00:32:20.093


Businesses, our old town residents and our North College residents.00:32:20.123 --> 00:32:24.442


'cause that seems to be, it's a hot bus where people are having the most trouble.00:32:24.532 --> 00:32:25.313


Well, and sometimes00:32:25.313 --> 00:32:29.093


I go ride my bike early in the morning on putter trail or things like that.00:32:29.093 --> 00:32:29.153


Yeah.00:32:29.157 --> 00:32:31.762


And I'm like, I'm cool.00:32:31.942 --> 00:32:35.123


But if I was my wife, I would not ride my bike through here Right.00:32:35.212 --> 00:32:35.903


At this time of day.00:32:36.022 --> 00:32:36.323


Right.00:32:36.472 --> 00:32:37.913


Because this is scary a little bit.00:32:37.972 --> 00:32:38.363


Right.00:32:38.452 --> 00:32:39.893


It's, yeah.00:32:39.893 --> 00:32:44.573


And you, you know, and I know that, um, and it'll be interesting.00:32:44.573 --> 00:32:47.423


I don't know if you've been paying attention to what's going on.00:32:47.423 --> 00:33:02.512


I'm totally uninformed of what I, I don't believe that if the fed, the federal level where they're, um, the current administration has kind of reinstated where people can.00:33:03.083 --> 00:33:09.383


Be, you know, placed in an institution if they need serious mental health and Well,00:33:09.383 --> 00:33:09.593


good.00:33:09.982 --> 00:33:10.972


Kind of like, yeah,00:33:11.063 --> 00:33:12.053


I know you don't, you know, we00:33:12.053 --> 00:33:16.073


had the state hospital in North Dakota, in my hometown in Jamestown, North Dakota.00:33:16.103 --> 00:33:16.133


Oh,00:33:16.133 --> 00:33:16.492


okay.00:33:16.673 --> 00:33:16.792


Yeah.00:33:16.792 --> 00:33:17.063


And,00:33:17.063 --> 00:33:21.803


and actually my, my mom's brother was institutionalized for much of his adult life.00:33:21.833 --> 00:33:21.982


Yeah.00:33:21.982 --> 00:33:22.073


And00:33:22.883 --> 00:33:23.603


for good reason.00:33:23.722 --> 00:33:23.992


Right.00:33:24.083 --> 00:33:27.982


Because otherwise he would've been one of those people that just decided to go Stab you.00:33:27.982 --> 00:33:28.553


Stab you00:33:28.613 --> 00:33:29.002


right.00:33:29.063 --> 00:33:31.012


On the subway or something, you know?00:33:31.073 --> 00:33:33.083


Um, and God bless him.00:33:33.083 --> 00:33:33.863


I hope not, but I know.00:33:34.343 --> 00:33:47.573


Well, you know, because we need pla we have a friend actually, and I think he's getting help through the VA now, but he would essentially be homeless because he served in the military and he has pretty severe brain damage.00:33:47.573 --> 00:33:47.633


Yeah.00:33:47.663 --> 00:33:49.732


And he's never gonna be able to live00:33:50.303 --> 00:33:50.393


Right.00:33:50.393 --> 00:33:51.353


Hold a good job on his own Right.00:33:51.952 --> 00:33:52.643


Anymore.00:33:53.032 --> 00:33:57.442


And so there, you know, as much as we don't wanna talk about.00:33:58.298 --> 00:34:00.157


Putting people in a Right.00:34:00.157 --> 00:34:01.087


Just giving him a social00:34:01.087 --> 00:34:04.718


security disability check and a little VA pension isn't gonna fix him.00:34:04.718 --> 00:34:04.807


Right.00:34:04.807 --> 00:34:08.438


Or make him safe for people to be right there needs to living with or be around00:34:08.438 --> 00:34:08.447


needs.00:34:08.447 --> 00:34:08.572


Yeah.00:34:08.572 --> 00:34:11.858


There needs to be a place to go for these people to get help.00:34:11.887 --> 00:34:12.697


And sitting in front of the00:34:12.697 --> 00:34:15.248


Aggie Theater is not a great place for him either.00:34:15.277 --> 00:34:15.577


Right.00:34:15.637 --> 00:34:16.268


Less good.00:34:16.327 --> 00:34:17.168


It's not helping.00:34:17.347 --> 00:34:17.588


Right.00:34:17.592 --> 00:34:17.652


Yeah.00:34:17.887 --> 00:34:18.217


Yeah.00:34:18.217 --> 00:34:18.637


Interesting.00:34:18.878 --> 00:34:20.347


Okay, so intriguing.00:34:20.498 --> 00:34:20.827


Thank you.00:34:21.577 --> 00:34:23.168


Seems like you're very thoughtful on topic.00:34:23.467 --> 00:34:27.998


Oh, well, uh, what, what, uh, is there big changes that you would make then?00:34:27.998 --> 00:34:29.733


I guess just mostly around, another,00:34:29.733 --> 00:34:48.038


another one I forgot about is, um, yes, the stronger consequences for criminal behavior, but also too, um, every person I've talked to that works with the unhoused population says, do not give them cash across the board.00:34:48.248 --> 00:34:52.208


I don't care who you talk to that works in that space, says, do not give them cash.00:34:52.418 --> 00:34:52.478


Yeah.00:34:52.657 --> 00:34:54.097


Show them where to get services.00:34:55.112 --> 00:34:56.797


Give them a sandwich or buy them a meal.00:34:56.947 --> 00:34:57.818


Yeah, exactly.00:34:58.597 --> 00:35:14.543


And so I think, I can't remember if it's out in Johnstown or somewhere, but I can't remember where I saw this, but there's very kind signs that says, that talks about not giving cash to the unhoused.00:35:14.782 --> 00:35:14.943


Interesting.00:35:15.128 --> 00:35:19.387


So I feel like the city can do things like that in, in a, like00:35:19.387 --> 00:35:20.527


even education around that.00:35:20.527 --> 00:35:20.887


Yes.00:35:20.887 --> 00:35:21.277


Education.00:35:21.277 --> 00:35:21.967


Well, and education00:35:21.967 --> 00:35:23.557


is, is your thing.00:35:23.557 --> 00:35:24.072


I, I, right.00:35:24.188 --> 00:35:40.358


I wanted to come back to you, you said, as part of your introduction, I, I launched a few initiatives or something like that and education space, but can we touch on that and, and like, especially the first one, tell me about your place in life at the time and, and what did you do?00:35:40.358 --> 00:35:40.387


Okay.00:35:40.507 --> 00:35:40.748


Yeah.00:35:41.228 --> 00:35:42.128


So, because that was kinda00:35:42.128 --> 00:35:44.378


your first entrepreneurial pop, right?00:35:44.382 --> 00:35:44.512


Right.00:35:44.512 --> 00:35:44.632


Yes.00:35:44.648 --> 00:35:45.307


I suspect,00:35:45.398 --> 00:35:45.668


yes.00:35:45.668 --> 00:35:51.577


So we, when we first got married, we lived in Del Rio and, uh.00:35:52.358 --> 00:35:56.347


We went to church in this little church in this small town.00:35:57.128 --> 00:35:58.327


Pretty impoverished.00:35:58.628 --> 00:36:07.027


And the school district was, I, I always hate to narc on schools'cause they're doing the best they can with what they have.00:36:07.057 --> 00:36:07.117


Yeah.00:36:07.148 --> 00:36:09.007


But it was, they weren't doing a great job.00:36:09.007 --> 00:36:11.318


It was impoverished and Yes.00:36:11.322 --> 00:36:11.947


And they weren't.00:36:12.338 --> 00:36:16.117


And so, and corrupt, I don't think it was corrupt.00:36:16.208 --> 00:36:19.568


I think not doing well first of all, it's hard to get teachers to live there and teach.00:36:19.568 --> 00:36:20.407


Right, right.00:36:20.407 --> 00:36:20.887


All that.00:36:20.887 --> 00:36:21.157


Yeah.00:36:21.338 --> 00:36:34.478


So anyway, uh, I just started a pre-K program for underserved children there so that they could be ready to go to try to kind of take kindergarten, help kids be not such00:36:34.478 --> 00:36:36.217


a burden on the system when they get to kindergarten.00:36:36.338 --> 00:36:36.757


Yes.00:36:36.757 --> 00:36:38.827


And it was, um, tuition free.00:36:39.007 --> 00:36:39.307


Oh, wow.00:36:39.342 --> 00:36:41.378


And so I So you just organized a bunch of volunteers?00:36:41.378 --> 00:36:41.588


Yeah.00:36:41.648 --> 00:36:41.887


Kind of.00:36:41.943 --> 00:36:44.347


Or got some grants or our church subsidized it.00:36:44.347 --> 00:36:44.677


Oh, wow.00:36:44.708 --> 00:36:45.427


So, yeah.00:36:45.427 --> 00:36:45.847


Oh, cool.00:36:45.967 --> 00:36:46.297


Yeah.00:36:46.387 --> 00:36:46.998


So that was the first.00:36:47.858 --> 00:36:48.367


First thing,00:36:48.427 --> 00:36:52.387


and I'm familiar with, uh, a school, you, they're still going here in Fort Collins.00:36:52.387 --> 00:36:52.447


Yeah.00:36:52.447 --> 00:36:56.347


'cause a few of my church members put their kids through, uh, yeah.00:36:56.708 --> 00:36:57.608


Christian Core Academy.00:36:57.637 --> 00:36:58.148


Yeah.00:36:58.148 --> 00:36:58.157


Yeah.00:36:58.208 --> 00:36:58.717


I've been to your00:36:58.717 --> 00:36:59.648


fundraiser a handful of00:36:59.827 --> 00:37:00.068


times.00:37:00.072 --> 00:37:00.612


Yeah, that's right.00:37:00.668 --> 00:37:00.728


Yeah.00:37:00.818 --> 00:37:02.768


Um, and so tell me about that.00:37:02.827 --> 00:37:05.077


Like, what was that initiative about?00:37:05.108 --> 00:37:13.358


So that initiative was about, um, we, I really wanted kids.00:37:13.987 --> 00:37:25.688


Um, so my faith is very important to me and I, in our household, we tell our kids love God and love people whenever, every time they went out the door, that's what we said.00:37:25.717 --> 00:37:25.838


Okay.00:37:25.838 --> 00:37:27.277


You know, they started rolling their eyes.00:37:27.277 --> 00:37:27.668


Right.00:37:27.668 --> 00:37:28.538


Like, yeah.00:37:29.077 --> 00:37:35.978


And, and to, to love people, you have to have a heart of service.00:37:36.338 --> 00:37:41.208


And so we, I just started this school because I wanted it to be.00:37:42.083 --> 00:37:58.043


One highly academic and it is, we use the core knowledge curriculum and I also wanted to teach kids that when you have a faith that is centered around loving God and loving people, that you can't just keep it to yourself.00:37:58.103 --> 00:37:58.463


Hmm.00:37:58.552 --> 00:38:02.963


You have to go out and actually put it into practice.00:38:02.963 --> 00:38:03.172


So00:38:03.172 --> 00:38:04.882


that's probably the teachers that you hire?00:38:04.943 --> 00:38:05.213


Yes.00:38:05.213 --> 00:38:06.358


And the kids that come through.00:38:06.358 --> 00:38:06.557


Yes.00:38:06.742 --> 00:38:07.853


Or wanting to be looking for that.00:38:07.853 --> 00:38:08.182


Yes.00:38:08.302 --> 00:38:19.643


And it turned out, because it's a, it's kind of a hybrid because the kids only go to school Monday to Thursday from eight to 1215, and then they do all their seat work at home.00:38:20.242 --> 00:38:23.603


And so the parents still had a big voice Yeah.00:38:23.603 --> 00:38:24.293


In their kids' lives.00:38:24.427 --> 00:38:24.717


It's00:38:24.717 --> 00:38:26.032


not, it's easier than homeschooling.00:38:26.032 --> 00:38:26.123


Yes.00:38:26.123 --> 00:38:28.733


But it requires a little bit more of the parents than otherwise, right?00:38:28.762 --> 00:38:29.092


Yes.00:38:29.092 --> 00:38:36.052


And we actually ended up attracting a lot of boys because I think it was.00:38:37.253 --> 00:38:39.443


Uh, easier for boys to sit half a day.00:38:39.443 --> 00:38:39.503


Yeah.00:38:39.503 --> 00:38:41.307


Four hours sounds a lot easier than day, right?00:38:41.458 --> 00:38:41.748


Yeah.00:38:41.873 --> 00:38:42.293


Right.00:38:42.293 --> 00:38:52.793


And then we, uh, attracted a lot of people that, um, had adopted kids and their kids just needed to be in a smaller environment.00:38:52.797 --> 00:38:52.827


Yeah.00:38:53.032 --> 00:38:53.273


Yeah.00:38:53.333 --> 00:38:55.913


And so it kind of ended up just being a little,00:38:56.032 --> 00:38:58.972


it's easier to be loved in a small classroom than it is in a big one.00:38:58.972 --> 00:38:59.422


Right.00:38:59.422 --> 00:39:01.702


And the kids didn't fall through the cracks there.00:39:01.708 --> 00:39:01.947


Yeah.00:39:01.947 --> 00:39:03.143


And so, yeah.00:39:03.233 --> 00:39:03.322


Cool.00:39:03.322 --> 00:39:10.762


So I've since stepped away, um, just because of what I'm doing now, but, um, it's still going, so.00:39:11.182 --> 00:39:11.393


Yeah.00:39:11.393 --> 00:39:11.402


Yeah.00:39:11.402 --> 00:39:11.708


Good for you.00:39:12.052 --> 00:39:12.233


Yeah.00:39:12.592 --> 00:39:13.943


Um, next sus.00:39:14.092 --> 00:39:14.507


Oh yeah.00:39:14.608 --> 00:39:18.052


Oh wait, I didn't warn you Ava, but you're probably ready, you put that way00:39:19.222 --> 00:39:19.733


we can interview.00:39:19.822 --> 00:39:21.443


Oh, Jamaican jerk.00:39:21.532 --> 00:39:22.733


Oh, Jamaican jerk seasoning.00:39:22.733 --> 00:39:23.242


And it says hot.00:39:25.943 --> 00:39:26.663


Don't be scared.00:39:28.552 --> 00:39:28.733


Okay.00:39:29.032 --> 00:39:29.483


Let's see.00:39:30.208 --> 00:39:31.282


Let's see what we gotta good.00:39:31.552 --> 00:39:33.503


Oh, this one doesn't stick as good, so, okay.00:39:34.163 --> 00:39:35.302


You're gonna be happy about that.00:39:35.358 --> 00:39:35.438


Probably.00:39:35.947 --> 00:39:37.688


Probably, oh no, it doesn't.00:39:38.797 --> 00:39:39.277


Hmm.00:39:47.768 --> 00:39:49.023


I didn't get very much, I don't think.00:39:49.027 --> 00:39:49.088


Yeah.00:39:49.088 --> 00:39:49.358


I'm gonna00:39:49.358 --> 00:39:49.838


do this.00:39:55.507 --> 00:39:55.958


Oh, there you go.00:39:55.958 --> 00:39:56.617


That was smarter.00:39:57.398 --> 00:39:58.237


Oh, that's a lot.00:40:00.398 --> 00:40:00.907


Let's try that.00:40:01.148 --> 00:40:02.018


I do like the flavor, though.00:40:02.018 --> 00:40:02.797


It's very nice.00:40:02.827 --> 00:40:03.068


Yeah.00:40:03.668 --> 00:40:05.708


This is a, a, a step down on heat though.00:40:05.708 --> 00:40:07.327


Definitely from the last couple.00:40:08.467 --> 00:40:08.737


Hmm.00:40:10.088 --> 00:40:10.717


It's authentic.00:40:10.927 --> 00:40:13.688


It tastes like what Jamaican jerk season is supposed to taste like.00:40:14.242 --> 00:40:15.097


That's really good on00:40:15.137 --> 00:40:16.402


a, on a chicken thigh.00:40:16.762 --> 00:40:16.822


Yeah.00:40:16.972 --> 00:40:20.842


Uh, slow smoked at like two 40 on the, on the pellet grill.00:40:20.873 --> 00:40:21.083


Yeah.00:40:21.143 --> 00:40:21.353


Mm.00:40:21.532 --> 00:40:21.983


That'd be great.00:40:22.043 --> 00:40:22.822


I like that.00:40:22.822 --> 00:40:25.103


And I, I can taste the salt too.00:40:25.103 --> 00:40:26.362


I, I'm a salty person, so.00:40:26.722 --> 00:40:27.382


Yeah, yeah, yeah.00:40:27.382 --> 00:40:27.742


It does.00:40:27.748 --> 00:40:29.452


It, it has a nice seasoning mix.00:40:29.452 --> 00:40:31.282


It's not just spice.00:40:31.282 --> 00:40:31.762


There's a lot.00:40:32.242 --> 00:40:32.512


Yeah.00:40:32.722 --> 00:40:33.023


Fun.00:40:33.472 --> 00:40:33.742


Thanks.00:40:33.742 --> 00:40:34.402


Good job, Sean.00:40:34.733 --> 00:40:36.443


I assume that's an old town Spice Shop one.00:40:36.443 --> 00:40:36.682


Mm-hmm.00:40:37.762 --> 00:40:38.032


Yep.00:40:40.342 --> 00:40:45.713


So the next question we have here, oh, the grab bag.00:40:47.362 --> 00:40:53.998


This is the Ping Pong Ball Challenge carried over from our traditional Loco Experience podcast episodes.00:40:55.418 --> 00:41:02.157


And, but for you and you only, well this whole series, but you can pick three and then I'll let you just choose one question to answer.00:41:02.268 --> 00:41:02.557


Okay.00:41:02.588 --> 00:41:02.878


Okay.00:41:03.112 --> 00:41:05.663


So you're preferred, but just grab all three balls out of there.00:41:05.722 --> 00:41:05.842


Okay?00:41:05.873 --> 00:41:05.992


Okay.00:41:07.628 --> 00:41:07.918


Okay.00:41:08.588 --> 00:41:08.978


Okay.00:41:08.983 --> 00:41:09.077


Okay.00:41:10.657 --> 00:41:14.047


And I'll ask you all three questions and then you can choose which one.00:41:14.063 --> 00:41:14.353


Okay.00:41:14.358 --> 00:41:17.498


I might make you ask an answer a second one if I think it's funny enough.00:41:19.838 --> 00:41:19.987


Okay.00:41:19.987 --> 00:41:24.518


So you got 12, nine, and 22.00:41:24.518 --> 00:41:24.728


22.00:41:25.478 --> 00:41:26.588


So 12.00:41:27.277 --> 00:41:31.237


What's the best piece of advice you've ever received about business?00:41:34.838 --> 00:41:39.188


You're like, I, nobody's really giving me business advice, but in education and government.00:41:39.333 --> 00:41:39.623


Yeah.00:41:39.998 --> 00:41:40.447


Yeah.00:41:41.047 --> 00:41:42.463


Can we, do we, should we pass that one?00:41:42.463 --> 00:41:43.538


We move to the next one, so that's00:41:43.538 --> 00:41:43.717


fine.00:41:45.007 --> 00:41:45.547


Nine.00:41:45.547 --> 00:41:48.847


What's the strangest way you've ever injured yourself?00:41:50.918 --> 00:41:51.847


Strangest way.00:41:51.847 --> 00:41:54.367


I've heard, I'm really careful.00:41:54.367 --> 00:41:55.418


I don't injure yourself.00:41:55.418 --> 00:41:56.137


Very Never.00:41:57.038 --> 00:41:57.907


Not really.00:41:57.938 --> 00:41:58.088


No00:41:58.088 --> 00:41:59.228


broken bones.00:41:59.228 --> 00:41:59.257


I,00:42:00.217 --> 00:42:00.427


yeah.00:42:00.427 --> 00:42:01.327


Don't, don't00:42:01.327 --> 00:42:01.717


jinx00:42:01.717 --> 00:42:01.927


me,00:42:01.987 --> 00:42:02.108


please.00:42:02.108 --> 00:42:02.197


No00:42:02.197 --> 00:42:04.208


black eyes, no, no nothing.00:42:04.268 --> 00:42:04.597


Oh man.00:42:04.597 --> 00:42:04.807


I.00:42:06.068 --> 00:42:06.577


Okay.00:42:06.668 --> 00:42:07.177


Well00:42:07.177 --> 00:42:17.137


this one is kind of weird, but one night my husband, he turned over and he accidentally kicked my, uh, top of my foot.00:42:17.407 --> 00:42:17.438


Oh.00:42:18.068 --> 00:42:20.922


And it dislocated one of those little bones on.00:42:22.643 --> 00:42:23.922


I was so mad at him.00:42:23.992 --> 00:42:25.682


He's like, I didn't mean to I, and did00:42:25.722 --> 00:42:26.603


you have to get a cast or something?00:42:26.862 --> 00:42:27.083


No.00:42:27.083 --> 00:42:28.963


But you just hurt for a month or something?00:42:28.963 --> 00:42:29.242


No, it just00:42:29.242 --> 00:42:33.097


hurt and we just kind of massaged it back into place.00:42:34.507 --> 00:42:35.077


Interesting.00:42:35.077 --> 00:42:35.947


It was so random.00:42:35.947 --> 00:42:36.007


Huh?00:42:37.117 --> 00:42:39.757


That is a, that's very scary.00:42:39.818 --> 00:42:40.563


Yes, I know.00:42:40.742 --> 00:42:42.367


I'm like, I, I'm not that fragile.00:42:42.367 --> 00:42:46.358


High, uh, 22.00:42:47.047 --> 00:42:48.188


Oh, you didn't have to answer that one.00:42:48.188 --> 00:42:49.202


Oh, you could have passed it, I guess.00:42:49.262 --> 00:42:49.603


Oh, yeah.00:42:49.603 --> 00:42:50.163


I could have passed it.00:42:50.288 --> 00:42:54.068


If you could live anywhere for three months, a year, where would it be and why?00:42:54.697 --> 00:42:55.387


Oh my gosh.00:42:57.248 --> 00:42:57.277


I,00:42:57.307 --> 00:42:58.597


we'll just give you the pass option.00:42:58.597 --> 00:42:58.657


Yeah.00:42:58.657 --> 00:42:59.677


You don't have to pass.00:43:00.157 --> 00:43:01.507


Oh, well I can answer that.00:43:01.507 --> 00:43:01.862


Yeah, you should.00:43:02.617 --> 00:43:03.188


I think you'll like to answer this00:43:03.188 --> 00:43:03.367


one.00:43:03.458 --> 00:43:07.148


I have lots of places to live, um, that I wanna live.00:43:07.538 --> 00:43:13.777


I love Mexico, so I would live at the beach in Mexico.00:43:14.768 --> 00:43:19.387


I would also love to live in Italy for three months.00:43:19.387 --> 00:43:21.757


My wife and I are hosting an exchange student from Italy right now.00:43:21.847 --> 00:43:22.148


Oh, nice.00:43:22.177 --> 00:43:22.987


From Ravenna.00:43:23.108 --> 00:43:23.288


Okay.00:43:23.318 --> 00:43:25.208


Uh, and we hosted her brother three years ago.00:43:25.237 --> 00:43:25.358


Oh, nice.00:43:25.358 --> 00:43:28.418


So we definitely think we have a place in the beach to stay in the future.00:43:28.418 --> 00:43:28.478


Yeah.00:43:28.478 --> 00:43:30.217


Because the folks have such a place, right.00:43:31.898 --> 00:43:32.983


That's not why you're doing it, right.00:43:33.338 --> 00:43:37.478


No, but it is why we chose Italy instead of Finland.00:43:37.538 --> 00:43:38.108


Yeah, no, just kidding.00:43:38.108 --> 00:43:38.197


Right.00:43:40.148 --> 00:43:47.588


Um, I actually wanted to ask you a question that you wouldn't be expecting, but there was, uh, like a state of the.00:43:48.023 --> 00:43:53.063


City kind of thing up at the Budweiser Event Center, like maybe two summers ago or something.00:43:53.063 --> 00:43:55.253


And you said something completely awkward.00:43:55.253 --> 00:43:55.818


It wasn't the state of the city.00:43:55.838 --> 00:43:56.177


It was,00:43:56.318 --> 00:43:56.898


it was a chamber.00:43:56.898 --> 00:43:56.918


It was,00:43:57.293 --> 00:43:57.503


yeah.00:43:57.503 --> 00:44:00.382


The chambers celebration of business kind of thing.00:44:00.387 --> 00:44:00.983


Yes, yes.00:44:00.983 --> 00:44:02.242


Do you remember what you said?00:44:02.242 --> 00:44:03.018


I do remember what I said.00:44:03.833 --> 00:44:04.463


Are you, you, thank you for bringing that out.00:44:04.463 --> 00:44:05.483


Willing to share that story.00:44:05.512 --> 00:44:06.802


'cause I thought it was so funny.00:44:06.802 --> 00:44:06.922


Oh my00:44:06.922 --> 00:44:07.313


gosh.00:44:07.373 --> 00:44:07.733


Okay.00:44:08.032 --> 00:44:12.532


So first of all, I have to say, I'm usually very careful about what I say.00:44:13.612 --> 00:44:17.123


My husband on the other hand is not, but sometimes he rubs off on me.00:44:17.512 --> 00:44:23.932


And so I was, I was speaking and I didn't even have anything to drink, right?00:44:23.932 --> 00:44:26.333


Like, I was like, I don't know what happened.00:44:26.663 --> 00:44:36.893


But, um, I think I was channeling my husband for a minute because the lights went off and I just looked over and I'm like, well, there's not a pole here.00:44:37.523 --> 00:44:38.572


Everybody just00:44:38.882 --> 00:44:44.092


died and my husband was out there going, what?00:44:44.092 --> 00:44:44.652


Just what00:44:46.313 --> 00:44:47.947


You turned a couple shades of and red.00:44:47.947 --> 00:44:48.097


I know.00:44:48.612 --> 00:44:50.978


Because that is totally something he would've said.00:44:51.338 --> 00:44:51.697


Right.00:44:51.847 --> 00:44:52.958


And I was like, okay.00:44:53.137 --> 00:44:53.498


Sorry.00:44:53.588 --> 00:44:54.487


Sorry Anne.00:44:54.487 --> 00:44:54.788


Sorry.00:44:56.768 --> 00:44:57.487


It was awesome.00:44:57.847 --> 00:45:01.777


It was the best part of any of the Chamber events I've been to in recent years.00:45:01.867 --> 00:45:01.898


I00:45:01.898 --> 00:45:03.157


know people still remember that.00:45:03.157 --> 00:45:04.177


And remind me of that.00:45:06.038 --> 00:45:08.737


Um, I think that was the question we have already.00:45:08.858 --> 00:45:08.947


Yeah.00:45:08.947 --> 00:45:09.878


We did the grab bag.00:45:10.268 --> 00:45:11.947


So now it's time for the next00:45:12.518 --> 00:45:12.547


Okay.00:45:12.547 --> 00:45:13.057


Flavor.00:45:15.547 --> 00:45:16.717


Oh, Matador.00:45:16.717 --> 00:45:17.768


The red.00:45:17.918 --> 00:45:18.518


The red.00:45:18.608 --> 00:45:18.757


Yes.00:45:19.057 --> 00:45:19.538


Okay.00:45:19.568 --> 00:45:20.827


Very nice label.00:45:20.918 --> 00:45:21.577


It's very pretty.00:45:23.737 --> 00:45:25.628


This is probably gonna be a little warmer again.00:45:25.748 --> 00:45:26.108


Yeah.00:45:26.318 --> 00:45:26.708


Okay.00:45:26.827 --> 00:45:27.458


You go first.00:45:27.458 --> 00:45:28.027


I'll go first.00:45:28.688 --> 00:45:29.168


There you are.00:45:33.572 --> 00:45:33.652


Hmm.00:45:33.657 --> 00:45:33.788


Hmm.00:45:39.338 --> 00:45:39.697


Okay.00:45:41.947 --> 00:45:42.547


I don't like that.00:45:44.023 --> 00:45:44.588


It's okay.00:45:44.588 --> 00:45:45.217


You don't have to.00:45:45.788 --> 00:45:47.318


I'm gonna dip again'cause I do like it.00:45:48.907 --> 00:45:50.108


What don't you like about it?00:45:50.108 --> 00:45:50.168


I00:45:51.157 --> 00:45:53.588


don't think I, well, first of all, it's burning my mouth.00:45:54.518 --> 00:45:55.867


I'm gonna, I'm, you have the milk.00:45:55.893 --> 00:45:56.467


I'm gonna do the milk.00:45:56.467 --> 00:45:57.007


Ready for the milk?00:45:57.097 --> 00:45:57.818


I'm gonna do the milk.00:45:59.978 --> 00:46:03.157


I think it's too vinegar or something.00:46:03.427 --> 00:46:03.728


Yeah.00:46:04.958 --> 00:46:05.947


I could acknowledge that.00:46:06.157 --> 00:46:07.027


I like vinegar.00:46:07.057 --> 00:46:07.628


Oh yeah.00:46:07.958 --> 00:46:08.858


Um, quite a bit.00:46:09.068 --> 00:46:09.307


Yeah.00:46:09.907 --> 00:46:11.947


Um, I brew kombucha at home, actually.00:46:12.068 --> 00:46:12.427


Mm.00:46:13.057 --> 00:46:15.277


I just basically like vinegar water, if you let it sit long enough.00:46:15.277 --> 00:46:16.327


I like kombucha.00:46:16.333 --> 00:46:16.472


Okay.00:46:16.472 --> 00:46:16.552


But.00:46:16.898 --> 00:46:19.237


Uh, yeah, that one's a little strong.00:46:19.237 --> 00:46:19.538


Well, except00:46:19.538 --> 00:46:20.347


for it's too expensive.00:46:20.347 --> 00:46:21.967


It costs as much as beer to buy it.00:46:21.967 --> 00:46:22.057


Right.00:46:22.057 --> 00:46:23.137


So that's why I brew it at home.00:46:23.273 --> 00:46:23.773


Oh, yeah.00:46:23.773 --> 00:46:25.538


I wish it was easier to brew beer at home too.00:46:25.748 --> 00:46:26.108


Right.00:46:27.068 --> 00:46:27.697


Although I'm not a beer.00:46:27.697 --> 00:46:28.693


Maybe I could, I don't know.00:46:29.853 --> 00:46:32.887


I I would feel guilty brewing beer at home.00:46:32.978 --> 00:46:33.788


I mean, not really.00:46:33.847 --> 00:46:34.148


Right.00:46:34.268 --> 00:46:35.797


Because you're not supporting local business00:46:35.947 --> 00:46:36.277


kind of.00:46:36.282 --> 00:46:39.637


And I would know that, like, I'm definitely drinking way too much beer.00:46:39.637 --> 00:46:39.668


Oh00:46:40.027 --> 00:46:40.268


yeah.00:46:40.268 --> 00:46:41.318


There's that, like, this way I00:46:41.318 --> 00:46:45.967


could keep kind of a loose record that counts and what I do drink beer in supporting local business.00:46:46.657 --> 00:46:46.717


Yeah.00:46:46.717 --> 00:46:46.898


Hmm.00:46:46.987 --> 00:46:47.467


That's nice.00:46:47.532 --> 00:46:50.588


I I actually think I, I mean, it's not one of my top three.00:46:50.947 --> 00:46:51.038


Yeah.00:46:51.038 --> 00:46:53.407


But the red is something that I would put in my Yeah.00:46:53.467 --> 00:46:54.277


Cabinet and use it.00:46:54.277 --> 00:46:56.288


It would be actually really nice in a Bloody Mary.00:46:56.288 --> 00:46:56.318


Oh00:46:58.148 --> 00:46:58.358


yeah.00:46:58.358 --> 00:46:59.827


I think my husband would like that one.00:47:00.637 --> 00:47:00.878


Yeah.00:47:01.807 --> 00:47:04.958


So the community hot topic question.00:47:06.608 --> 00:47:13.088


How can the city of Fort Collins maintain financial strength in light of declining sales tax collection trends?00:47:13.807 --> 00:47:24.128


What mix of cost cutting and revenue enhancement strategies do you envision as being important to maintain these, the fiscal health and or bring more sales tax back.00:47:24.128 --> 00:47:24.728


Right, right,00:47:25.057 --> 00:47:25.358


right.00:47:25.447 --> 00:47:25.748


Yeah.00:47:25.898 --> 00:47:34.958


Well then I think it goes back to, sorry, I think it goes back to what we were talking about is the healthy business community.00:47:35.047 --> 00:47:35.257


Yeah.00:47:35.347 --> 00:47:35.498


Right.00:47:35.498 --> 00:47:35.827


I think we should00:47:35.827 --> 00:47:37.628


just jail people for shopping on Amazon.00:47:38.168 --> 00:47:38.737


Okay.00:47:40.418 --> 00:47:45.007


I mean, it would, it would do a lot, it would make a lot of impact on sales tax collections.00:47:45.818 --> 00:47:45.878


Yeah.00:47:45.878 --> 00:47:45.938


Wow.00:47:45.938 --> 00:47:47.077


Anyway, I didn't I cut you off?00:47:47.077 --> 00:47:47.543


That was No,00:47:47.563 --> 00:47:47.782


no.00:47:47.822 --> 00:47:50.288


I was thinking, well, I, I kind of like my Amazon00:47:52.657 --> 00:47:54.157


always shop local first, but I00:47:54.157 --> 00:47:55.358


do shop local.00:47:55.717 --> 00:48:02.617


Um, but yes, it goes back to creating that healthy, um, business environment.00:48:03.038 --> 00:48:10.117


And I wanted to, I was gonna say this, the business question earlier, but I don't know if you had a chance to look at the.00:48:10.523 --> 00:48:12.413


Survey, the community survey.00:48:12.802 --> 00:48:13.103


I didn't, no.00:48:13.103 --> 00:48:13.733


It just came out.00:48:13.793 --> 00:48:16.072


And so the,00:48:16.222 --> 00:48:17.483


oh, I think I did, I think I took it.00:48:18.233 --> 00:48:19.432


Oh yeah.00:48:19.733 --> 00:48:20.902


The results just came out though.00:48:20.932 --> 00:48:21.922


Yeah, they just came out.00:48:21.927 --> 00:48:22.047


Okay, cool.00:48:22.068 --> 00:48:22.552


So yeah,00:48:22.913 --> 00:48:45.652


so the, the city's performance from very good or good, encouraging a variety of businesses, it's was 51%, and that was up from last year, but it was way down from 10 years ago, attracting new businesses, 42% was good or very good, again, up from two years, but way down from 10 years ago.00:48:45.652 --> 00:48:53.813


But retaining existing businesses, the city's 32% said that the city was doing good or very good.00:48:54.233 --> 00:48:57.742


And that is way down from two years ago and 10 years ago.00:48:57.748 --> 00:48:57.768


Yeah.00:48:57.768 --> 00:48:58.407


So like over half said00:48:58.668 --> 00:48:59.168


not so good.00:48:59.512 --> 00:48:59.753


Yeah.00:48:59.753 --> 00:49:00.538


Neutral or not good.00:49:00.538 --> 00:49:00.563


Right,00:49:00.922 --> 00:49:01.313


right.00:49:01.373 --> 00:49:02.782


So, yeah.00:49:02.813 --> 00:49:09.713


So again, we, we have, so to get our budget under control, we, we need to have a strong tax base.00:49:10.612 --> 00:49:12.413


And that's a healthy business community.00:49:13.043 --> 00:49:17.123


Also, you know, government is just the nature of government.00:49:17.213 --> 00:49:21.233


It over time becomes notoriously inefficient.00:49:21.682 --> 00:49:29.932


And I know that we pass all these things and one, a lot of times we don't have metrics around what success is and we don't measure00:49:29.932 --> 00:49:30.652


what it's supposed to do.00:49:30.657 --> 00:49:30.987


Right.00:49:31.012 --> 00:49:31.282


Right.00:49:31.432 --> 00:49:33.233


Like California's homelessness thing too.00:49:33.233 --> 00:49:33.503


Right?00:49:33.503 --> 00:49:36.353


It's like, oh, we spent$40 billion.00:49:36.353 --> 00:49:36.443


Yes.00:49:36.503 --> 00:49:38.302


But we didn't really track outcomes, so.00:49:38.512 --> 00:49:38.873


Right.00:49:38.902 --> 00:49:39.532


Couldn't tell you.00:49:39.682 --> 00:49:41.422


Right, exactly.00:49:41.842 --> 00:49:45.922


So anything we, I don't think we track things very well.00:49:46.342 --> 00:49:52.672


And also I don't think we ever go back and if something's not working, get rid of it.00:49:52.913 --> 00:49:53.273


Right.00:49:53.273 --> 00:49:53.543


Right.00:49:53.603 --> 00:49:53.963


Like,00:49:53.967 --> 00:49:54.382


right, right.00:49:54.443 --> 00:49:59.483


And so I think there needs to be the efficiency component of that.00:49:59.842 --> 00:50:03.322


And then I think there has to be an overreach and philosophy of.00:50:04.932 --> 00:50:18.202


I'm responsible for the taxpayer's money and I need to spend it in a way that one takes care of our core services, two takes care of our community amenities.00:50:18.592 --> 00:50:23.632


And then three takes care of people, right?00:50:23.992 --> 00:50:30.983


Because the city, at the end of the day, the city's job is to keep the lights on, to keep the infrastructure in good shape, keep the parks,00:50:31.132 --> 00:50:33.472


make the electricity affordable ish, whatever, right?00:50:33.652 --> 00:50:34.043


Yes.00:50:34.043 --> 00:50:43.253


And so, and then,'cause I think we've gotten away from that a little, not a little bit, a lot of just chasing the next shiny new thing, right?00:50:43.432 --> 00:50:45.172


We're gonna be the greenest city in the west.00:50:45.172 --> 00:50:45.682


Right?00:50:45.922 --> 00:50:46.373


Right.00:50:46.432 --> 00:50:54.532


Well, is that really worth all this effort or is it just a for a little badge on my greatest city in the west Right thing.00:50:54.532 --> 00:50:56.543


And it doesn't make most people's lives any better.00:50:56.632 --> 00:50:57.413


Exactly.00:50:57.713 --> 00:50:58.163


And.00:50:58.733 --> 00:51:02.422


You have to ask yourself the question, how good is good enough?00:51:02.632 --> 00:51:03.023


Right?00:51:03.143 --> 00:51:07.853


Like, you can keep spending money on we do things right, is what you were saying.00:51:07.853 --> 00:51:08.092


Yeah.00:51:08.152 --> 00:51:08.483


Right.00:51:08.483 --> 00:51:08.693


Yeah.00:51:08.693 --> 00:51:08.842


But00:51:08.842 --> 00:51:11.873


that also comes with some level of balance.00:51:12.322 --> 00:51:12.833


Exactly.00:51:12.833 --> 00:51:12.952


You know,00:51:12.952 --> 00:51:14.842


everything taken too far is too much.00:51:14.842 --> 00:51:15.652


Exactly.00:51:16.132 --> 00:51:28.193


And then the last piece of that philosophy is we need to spend every expenditure should be for the greatest benefit of the most people.00:51:28.793 --> 00:51:29.152


Right.00:51:29.152 --> 00:51:32.572


Like, you, you need to, you, you can't, don't have niche spending.00:51:32.572 --> 00:51:33.652


Right, right.00:51:33.983 --> 00:51:34.402


Exactly.00:51:34.583 --> 00:51:37.702


2 million to the something something.00:51:38.197 --> 00:51:38.277


Yes.00:51:38.277 --> 00:51:38.288


Yes.00:51:38.288 --> 00:51:38.393


Yeah.00:51:38.722 --> 00:51:39.143


Yeah.00:51:39.623 --> 00:51:41.572


Um, I'm scared to say what I was gonna say too.00:51:41.572 --> 00:51:41.663


I know.00:51:42.623 --> 00:51:43.762


Thank you for backing outta that.00:51:43.853 --> 00:51:44.483


Well, it is,00:51:44.782 --> 00:51:48.472


it is, you know, activism.00:51:48.967 --> 00:51:49.807


Is important.00:51:49.867 --> 00:51:50.018


Mm-hmm.00:51:50.378 --> 00:51:56.467


And like on a pro ratta basis, I mean some of the, the doji stuff exposed and stuff is like,00:51:56.557 --> 00:51:56.708


yeah,00:51:57.068 --> 00:52:05.708


oh we got, you know, we sent 23 million to Somalia to do A-L-G-B-T-Q play.00:52:06.757 --> 00:52:06.967


Right.00:52:06.998 --> 00:52:07.838


Maybe not that, but00:52:07.898 --> 00:52:08.842


Well no, but, but00:52:08.918 --> 00:52:10.478


some of the stuff was pretty still.00:52:10.478 --> 00:52:10.568


Right.00:52:10.807 --> 00:52:15.577


The philosophy has to be that it needs to benefit, but a lot of people that are actually been00:52:15.577 --> 00:52:16.418


impacted by it.00:52:16.478 --> 00:52:16.807


Right.00:52:16.898 --> 00:52:17.168


Alright.00:52:17.228 --> 00:52:17.318


Fair.00:52:17.318 --> 00:52:20.228


And the people that are actually paying taxes.00:52:20.588 --> 00:52:21.277


How about like parks00:52:21.277 --> 00:52:22.478


and open spaces and stuff?00:52:22.478 --> 00:52:24.938


Do you feel good about the city's level of investment there?00:52:24.938 --> 00:52:31.867


'cause they, their history has been kind of build it then, then the money to maintain it down the road will come from somewhere.00:52:31.927 --> 00:52:32.318


Yes.00:52:32.438 --> 00:52:35.378


And I don't like that.00:52:36.083 --> 00:52:37.853


I would encourage you'd have00:52:37.853 --> 00:52:41.333


fewer parks, but better maintained, or at least not so many.00:52:41.333 --> 00:52:41.632


Well, first of00:52:41.632 --> 00:52:43.552


all, I would stop building parks right now,00:52:43.702 --> 00:52:44.362


at least for the moment.00:52:44.362 --> 00:52:44.753


Right.00:52:44.753 --> 00:52:46.313


Until we get this under control.00:52:46.402 --> 00:52:46.463


Yeah.00:52:46.463 --> 00:52:46.853


Right.00:52:46.853 --> 00:52:54.353


Until we figure out how, and it, it is better since that, um, quarter, was it quarter cents sales tax that for parks?00:52:54.353 --> 00:52:54.413


Yeah.00:52:54.413 --> 00:52:54.503


But00:52:54.503 --> 00:52:55.943


that's just making business harder too.00:52:55.972 --> 00:52:57.532


You know, every quarter sent sales text.00:52:57.538 --> 00:52:57.697


Right.00:52:57.757 --> 00:53:00.052


You know, you just make it a little harder to sell anything.00:53:00.083 --> 00:53:00.472


Yes.00:53:00.833 --> 00:53:01.882


Instead of going to Amazon.00:53:03.577 --> 00:53:04.657


I knew I shouldn't have said that.00:53:07.432 --> 00:53:08.663


I don't go to Amazon that much.00:53:09.128 --> 00:53:09.538


It's cool.00:53:09.538 --> 00:53:09.563


It's cool.00:53:10.313 --> 00:53:17.572


Um, but yes, and so I'm like, why do we keep building parks when we can't figure out how to maintain the ones?00:53:17.918 --> 00:53:18.818


That we already have.00:53:18.967 --> 00:53:19.117


Yeah.00:53:19.387 --> 00:53:20.467


And so you're right.00:53:20.467 --> 00:53:26.978


I think we need to stop and say, how are we going to maintain these to a level that Right.00:53:27.038 --> 00:53:27.577


Safety.00:53:27.637 --> 00:53:28.027


Like what if00:53:28.027 --> 00:53:30.998


online shopping becomes even more worse?00:53:31.057 --> 00:53:31.268


Yeah.00:53:31.268 --> 00:53:31.277


Yeah.00:53:31.507 --> 00:53:36.063


Well, I just wanna say, you do know that we get sales tax from online shopping?00:53:36.458 --> 00:53:36.697


We do.00:53:36.757 --> 00:53:37.117


Yes.00:53:37.117 --> 00:53:37.478


You're right.00:53:37.612 --> 00:53:37.902


Okay.00:53:37.902 --> 00:53:38.583


So, um,00:53:38.722 --> 00:53:39.063


oh yeah.00:53:39.063 --> 00:53:40.822


So that's, so quit trying to make feel bad.00:53:40.867 --> 00:53:42.427


That isn't really the driving thing.00:53:42.458 --> 00:53:42.757


Right?00:53:42.847 --> 00:53:43.387


It's not,00:53:43.478 --> 00:53:47.527


so what is like, is it just consumer spending that isn't actually down?00:53:47.527 --> 00:53:52.688


Well, I think, or people are going, instead, they're going to south somewhere Cool.00:53:53.228 --> 00:53:53.438


They're going00:53:53.438 --> 00:53:55.688


south, going to Loveland or something to shop there.00:53:55.688 --> 00:53:58.478


Or maybe in the future to Martin's new thingy with the waterfalls and the what?00:53:58.478 --> 00:53:58.983


The hooah.00:53:59.222 --> 00:54:04.358


cause even if we're, even if we're getting the, the, so Fort Collins00:54:04.358 --> 00:54:08.378


used to be the only game in town, so we benefited extraordinarily Right.00:54:08.378 --> 00:54:10.057


From excess shopping almost.00:54:10.057 --> 00:54:10.148


Right.00:54:10.148 --> 00:54:11.498


And now we're just kind of getting.00:54:12.188 --> 00:54:13.327


The what for put to us.00:54:13.327 --> 00:54:13.657


Right.00:54:13.807 --> 00:54:14.768


And, and by Costco one,00:54:15.007 --> 00:54:16.172


Tim N and stuff like that.00:54:16.447 --> 00:54:23.498


And I also have to point out that when they make a budget, they do a projected sales tax.00:54:23.588 --> 00:54:23.677


Yeah.00:54:23.887 --> 00:54:27.668


So they projected that the sales tax would increase 3%.00:54:27.668 --> 00:54:27.728


Hmm.00:54:28.057 --> 00:54:30.128


But it's only increasing 1%.00:54:30.277 --> 00:54:30.338


Hmm.00:54:30.487 --> 00:54:35.228


So it's not like, I mean, yes, we're losing sales tax, but Yeah.00:54:35.288 --> 00:54:36.668


It's just a projection to shift00:54:36.668 --> 00:54:37.447


it back to Amazon.00:54:37.447 --> 00:54:38.378


'cause it makes you uncomfortable.00:54:38.527 --> 00:54:43.568


They don't pay any, well, they do a little bit on that PR property They build, but they other other stuff they don't pay though.00:54:43.568 --> 00:54:46.597


You know, they don't, they're not, they don't, they haven't donated money to youth sports.00:54:46.597 --> 00:54:46.688


Right.00:54:46.688 --> 00:54:47.137


They're not,00:54:47.467 --> 00:54:48.577


or employ people.00:54:48.668 --> 00:54:49.628


I mean, they employ people.00:54:50.043 --> 00:54:50.333


Yeah.00:54:50.672 --> 00:54:52.572


Not, not lot in crappy jobs00:54:52.572 --> 00:54:53.557


that they don't really want.00:54:53.563 --> 00:54:53.773


Yeah.00:54:53.773 --> 00:54:54.052


Yeah.00:54:54.057 --> 00:54:54.157


Yeah.00:54:54.277 --> 00:54:57.277


And soon that'll just be robots from Tesla anyway.00:54:57.282 --> 00:54:57.293


Yeah.00:54:57.293 --> 00:54:57.813


Or drones.00:54:58.643 --> 00:54:58.932


Both.00:54:59.282 --> 00:54:59.572


Both.00:54:59.827 --> 00:55:00.788


And, all right.00:55:00.788 --> 00:55:01.538


I think we're ready.00:55:01.538 --> 00:55:03.068


I've beat this topic up pretty good.00:55:03.277 --> 00:55:03.697


David.00:55:04.418 --> 00:55:04.838


Someone looks.00:55:04.927 --> 00:55:05.708


It's dangerous.00:55:05.768 --> 00:55:08.777


This one might be a, this one might be a, this.00:55:08.777 --> 00:55:09.492


The ghost pepper one.00:55:09.498 --> 00:55:10.327


This is the Ghost Pepper.00:55:10.327 --> 00:55:10.597


One.00:55:10.597 --> 00:55:10.927


Ghost Pepper.00:55:11.257 --> 00:55:13.237


So, uh, this is called, what is it called?00:55:14.527 --> 00:55:17.137


Oh, sorry, this one because it's a big reach room two 17.00:55:17.137 --> 00:55:21.577


This is, oh, it's like the room they lock you up in when you lose your marbles.00:55:21.577 --> 00:55:22.958


'cause this sauce was too hot,00:55:23.228 --> 00:55:23.527


but, okay.00:55:25.237 --> 00:55:25.838


Alright.00:55:26.168 --> 00:55:26.527


You go first.00:55:26.527 --> 00:55:27.293


All right, I'll go first.00:55:27.393 --> 00:55:27.632


You go first.00:55:28.148 --> 00:55:31.418


I'm gonna like hold my emotions so that you can't00:55:31.688 --> 00:55:32.077


tell00:55:32.498 --> 00:55:32.918


proceed.00:55:32.918 --> 00:55:34.958


But I'm taking a nice, oh, this is the last dab.00:55:34.958 --> 00:55:35.918


So this is the last question.00:55:35.918 --> 00:55:37.717


So you're supposed to get extra.00:55:37.958 --> 00:55:40.233


Oh, I don't want to do it.00:55:44.152 --> 00:55:45.398


Hmm hmm.00:55:48.217 --> 00:55:48.577


Okay.00:55:48.998 --> 00:55:49.913


Hmm mm-hmm.00:55:50.288 --> 00:55:52.057


Not like milk, please.00:55:52.237 --> 00:55:54.217


No, no.00:55:54.757 --> 00:55:55.807


Give this to your husband.00:55:56.693 --> 00:56:00.818


No, I surely you're such a sport.00:56:00.818 --> 00:56:00.938


I,00:56:01.177 --> 00:56:01.387


okay.00:56:01.387 --> 00:56:02.168


That was mean.00:56:02.168 --> 00:56:03.038


'cause we've jumped from.00:56:04.538 --> 00:56:06.577


Mild to really hot.00:56:07.958 --> 00:56:08.797


But you're doing great.00:56:09.697 --> 00:56:13.318


And I know that the answer, your answer to this question is gonna be like, this is when the tears come.00:56:13.387 --> 00:56:13.748


I don't know.00:56:13.748 --> 00:56:19.478


One time I forgot to pay for gas and I forgot what, no, just kidding.00:56:19.838 --> 00:56:20.978


Your local experience.00:56:20.978 --> 00:56:29.768


So this is, uh, from me, your last dab, uh, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.00:56:29.768 --> 00:56:33.938


And Yes, I'm sweating heavily at this point.00:56:34.088 --> 00:56:34.447


I can't00:56:34.447 --> 00:56:35.018


even talk,00:56:35.882 --> 00:56:42.608


so, so it could be, you know, just a moment, you know, starting a couple of education initiatives is pretty cool.00:56:43.148 --> 00:56:45.487


Um, could be a, a season of life.00:56:45.487 --> 00:56:48.217


I, did you ever go to Peace Corps or No.00:56:48.217 --> 00:56:52.987


You know, leave your husband for just a weekend for a wild girls trip to Vegas.00:56:52.987 --> 00:56:52.998


Mm-hmm.00:56:54.487 --> 00:56:58.027


Some of those, but I wanna, I wanna go back to Cam, the Ram.00:56:58.568 --> 00:56:59.047


Okay.00:56:59.047 --> 00:57:01.628


'cause having Cam the ram at our house was a wild ride.00:57:02.018 --> 00:57:02.407


Okay.00:57:02.527 --> 00:57:02.827


Yeah.00:57:03.217 --> 00:57:04.418


Are you talking about the actual ram?00:57:04.418 --> 00:57:06.362


Yeah, the live, the live mascot.00:57:06.362 --> 00:57:06.373


Okay.00:57:06.373 --> 00:57:06.608


I was thinking00:57:06.608 --> 00:57:09.668


the ma the, the, like the kid that plays that mascot.00:57:09.728 --> 00:57:11.018


Oh, so you hosted Yeah.00:57:11.023 --> 00:57:11.242


Yeah.00:57:11.242 --> 00:57:13.148


Like you were an exchange student Kind of00:57:13.268 --> 00:57:14.827


because my husband was the00:57:15.068 --> 00:57:16.597


Yeah, you want a freshman s Oh my gosh, I00:57:17.347 --> 00:57:18.307


can't even talk.00:57:18.967 --> 00:57:19.538


That's the point.00:57:19.568 --> 00:57:21.458


Uh, all right.00:57:21.458 --> 00:57:22.418


That was just mean00:57:24.007 --> 00:57:26.617


and that is, uh, old Town Spice Shop back again right now.00:57:26.623 --> 00:57:26.722


Yeah.00:57:26.827 --> 00:57:27.068


Yeah.00:57:27.068 --> 00:57:29.257


Sean, that was mean, but I'm gonna dip again.00:57:30.697 --> 00:57:31.628


Do you wanna dip again too?00:57:31.628 --> 00:57:32.887


There a couple of nuggets left00:57:32.893 --> 00:57:33.123


Uhuh00:57:35.648 --> 00:57:37.628


I wanna see I can get before you done answering this question.00:57:37.657 --> 00:57:38.047


Okay.00:57:38.378 --> 00:57:45.487


So for about, I think it was about 12 years, my husband was the faculty advisor for Cam the Ram.00:57:46.297 --> 00:57:54.833


And we have so many funny stories, starting with when my youngest was four and my husband wasn't paying attention and.00:57:55.402 --> 00:58:01.583


And Cam hit him from behind and just like launched him across our, our launch.00:58:03.202 --> 00:58:06.983


So my, my 4-year-old at the time was scarred for the rest of his life.00:58:06.983 --> 00:58:09.472


He still hates Cam and he went to see you Boulder.00:58:09.532 --> 00:58:10.612


'cause he hates Cam so much.00:58:10.702 --> 00:58:11.092


Oh wow.00:58:12.862 --> 00:58:18.623


And then there was a time that my husband decided to breed00:58:19.132 --> 00:58:19.552


Okay.00:58:19.702 --> 00:58:21.023


Uh, u Yeah, yeah.00:58:21.052 --> 00:58:22.972


And, and have baby cams.00:58:23.092 --> 00:58:26.362


And so they ended up with three, uh, lambs.00:58:26.362 --> 00:58:26.512


Oh wow.00:58:26.512 --> 00:58:27.202


Or from one00:58:27.202 --> 00:58:28.612


U, which is unusual, right.00:58:28.612 --> 00:58:29.842


Triples actually two u's.00:58:29.932 --> 00:58:30.083


Okay.00:58:30.083 --> 00:58:31.882


So it was Oh, twins and a single.00:58:33.382 --> 00:58:35.092


And so, oh my gosh.00:58:35.152 --> 00:58:37.943


The CSU world went crazy.00:58:38.632 --> 00:58:42.112


They, they had contests on naming the babies.00:58:42.112 --> 00:58:47.722


They had like nine news at our house doing interviews over lambs.00:58:47.722 --> 00:58:47.902


Right.00:58:47.902 --> 00:58:48.262


Interesting.00:58:48.713 --> 00:58:49.492


And it was really funny.00:58:49.552 --> 00:58:53.333


And then there was a time that.00:58:53.887 --> 00:58:58.657


Because we say in our household that sheep are born looking for a place to die.00:58:58.838 --> 00:59:02.793


'cause they will literally wake up one day, they're that stupid kinda and say, I'm gonna die today.00:59:02.793 --> 00:59:03.072


Oh really?00:59:03.217 --> 00:59:03.668


They do.00:59:03.728 --> 00:59:04.507


They seriously do.00:59:04.507 --> 00:59:05.083


And so well I've just00:59:05.083 --> 00:59:07.057


seen'em jump into a bunch of holes and dump things like that.00:59:07.072 --> 00:59:07.248


Yeah, yeah.00:59:07.248 --> 00:59:09.608


No, but they were literally laid down and just die.00:59:09.757 --> 00:59:10.117


Oh really?00:59:10.117 --> 00:59:14.527


And, and this cam was a little bit older, not too old, but he was older.00:59:14.947 --> 00:59:17.768


And it was the CU CSU football game.00:59:18.668 --> 00:59:22.958


And this ram decides to die on the day of the football game.00:59:23.108 --> 00:59:23.407


Oh dang.00:59:23.527 --> 00:59:23.918


Yes.00:59:24.398 --> 00:59:27.697


And so we had a baby ram in training.00:59:27.938 --> 00:59:28.327


Right?00:59:28.327 --> 00:59:28.717


Yeah.00:59:28.777 --> 00:59:29.612


And so the kids, but that was the00:59:29.612 --> 00:59:30.697


point of breeding it, maybe even.00:59:30.697 --> 00:59:30.967


Right?00:59:31.027 --> 00:59:31.387


Right.00:59:31.387 --> 00:59:32.527


So we had one up and coming.00:59:33.007 --> 00:59:40.777


And so we were already in Denver and the kids told the, the ram handlers call my husband, the dog's peel.00:59:41.108 --> 00:59:41.918


The ram's dead.00:59:42.728 --> 00:59:43.688


What do you want us to do?00:59:43.688 --> 00:59:43.932


And he's like.00:59:46.057 --> 00:59:51.068


Don't say a word to anybody and just put the, the baby Ram in the trailer and come to Denver.00:59:51.518 --> 00:59:55.297


And so we were in Denver for a football game for our son.00:59:55.327 --> 01:00:04.987


And so then we go to the CSU game and we pull up, and Ralphie's Handler was one of Craig's former students.01:00:05.108 --> 01:00:06.217


He said, Hey, Dr.01:00:06.398 --> 01:00:08.168


Bill, I heard the Ram was dead.01:00:09.248 --> 01:00:10.237


Craig's like, where'd you01:00:10.237 --> 01:00:10.657


hear that?01:00:11.168 --> 01:00:13.807


Like, oh, the CSU or the CU Spirit squad.01:00:13.987 --> 01:00:14.438


Oh shoot.01:00:15.847 --> 01:00:16.748


So I don't know.01:00:17.318 --> 01:00:18.552


I don't know how he, news travels fast.01:00:18.773 --> 01:00:20.047


It does travel fast.01:00:20.047 --> 01:00:25.748


And Tony Frank was calling my husband and he is like, I don't, he tried to just swap out this little I know.01:00:26.257 --> 01:00:27.307


So anyway, there was that.01:00:27.307 --> 01:00:28.657


And then01:00:28.657 --> 01:00:28.788


what, I'm sorry, go ahead.01:00:28.788 --> 01:00:29.353


I don't need to interrupt, but.01:00:30.458 --> 01:00:33.068


Was your husband like a sheep expert or something like that?01:00:33.068 --> 01:00:35.467


Well, he Is that why he was in this role?01:00:35.467 --> 01:00:36.697


Like, did he have another job too?01:00:36.697 --> 01:00:37.688


Or he just took care of this sheep?01:00:37.688 --> 01:00:38.737


No, he was a professor at c.01:00:38.742 --> 01:00:38.842


C.01:00:38.947 --> 01:00:39.157


Okay, good.01:00:39.217 --> 01:00:39.487


Right.01:00:39.487 --> 01:00:40.358


So it seemed like a big job.01:00:40.358 --> 01:00:40.538


Yeah.01:00:40.568 --> 01:00:40.717


So01:00:40.717 --> 01:00:46.568


he was a faculty advisor and he got that because he used to be a county agent in Okay.01:00:46.568 --> 01:00:47.557


When we lived in Del Rio.01:00:47.557 --> 01:00:47.677


Like01:00:47.677 --> 01:00:48.847


an extension office almost.01:00:48.847 --> 01:00:48.938


Yes.01:00:48.938 --> 01:00:50.922


And they, he was, he's just smart about everything guy, guys.01:00:50.922 --> 01:00:51.202


Yeah, they,01:00:51.208 --> 01:00:54.018


well, and they had, um, it's big sheep country down there.01:00:54.018 --> 01:00:54.443


Gotcha, gotcha.01:00:54.443 --> 01:00:57.217


So he does actually know a lot about cattle, sheep, and everything.01:00:57.217 --> 01:00:57.407


Gotcha, gotcha.01:00:57.458 --> 01:00:58.807


Anyway, come back to where you Yeah.01:00:59.168 --> 01:00:59.768


Jumped off.01:00:59.768 --> 01:01:01.507


So, so anyway, that was funny.01:01:01.507 --> 01:01:08.347


And then not so funny, I think the last year we actually had cam at our house, at our barn.01:01:08.918 --> 01:01:09.367


Our barn.01:01:09.367 --> 01:01:09.577


This is the01:01:09.577 --> 01:01:10.478


cam number two.01:01:10.507 --> 01:01:10.867


Yes.01:01:10.927 --> 01:01:11.257


I guess.01:01:11.257 --> 01:01:11.648


Yes.01:01:11.677 --> 01:01:12.188


The replacement.01:01:12.188 --> 01:01:12.398


Yes.01:01:12.398 --> 01:01:12.487


Team.01:01:12.577 --> 01:01:13.057


Um,01:01:13.927 --> 01:01:14.887


our barn burned down.01:01:15.007 --> 01:01:15.097


Oh no.01:01:15.847 --> 01:01:17.677


So fortunately.01:01:18.367 --> 01:01:20.378


All the animals were outside in their runs.01:01:20.438 --> 01:01:20.768


Okay.01:01:20.797 --> 01:01:24.097


So they, every, the horses, everybody got out and Kim got out.01:01:24.097 --> 01:01:26.077


But I, I was just like, oh my gosh.01:01:26.077 --> 01:01:28.833


There was a few sined hairs and, uh, everything else.01:01:29.092 --> 01:01:29.313


Yes.01:01:29.313 --> 01:01:31.447


I was just like, can you imagine that that would've been quite the story, the nightmare.01:01:31.538 --> 01:01:33.847


You've had reporters there, again, checking in.01:01:33.847 --> 01:01:37.148


Anyway, so we've had some really fun Kim stories over the years.01:01:37.208 --> 01:01:40.628


So we're gonna send you with your favorite sauce.01:01:40.657 --> 01:01:41.467


Good job, by the way.01:01:41.527 --> 01:01:42.398


You did a really nice job.01:01:42.427 --> 01:01:42.668


Oh, thank you.01:01:43.208 --> 01:01:48.427


Um, and so we're doing rank choice voting this year.01:01:48.427 --> 01:01:48.458


Okay.01:01:48.458 --> 01:01:52.867


But, um, so I'm gonna just say just I want your favorite vote.01:01:52.867 --> 01:01:54.338


Which one would you take home?01:01:54.637 --> 01:01:55.237


Which one would I take?01:01:55.237 --> 01:01:57.157


Um, just for you.01:01:57.487 --> 01:01:57.757


Yeah.01:01:58.777 --> 01:02:05.768


Um, well, it would be between this one and this one.01:02:05.773 --> 01:02:05.983


Okay.01:02:06.713 --> 01:02:06.952


Yeah.01:02:07.253 --> 01:02:07.643


Very nice.01:02:07.643 --> 01:02:10.523


Do you wanna, uh, so that's the, the buffalo wing shake?01:02:10.612 --> 01:02:10.672


Yeah.01:02:10.793 --> 01:02:11.902


And the rebel.01:02:11.932 --> 01:02:12.083


Yeah.01:02:12.652 --> 01:02:14.512


But I think, I, I think this was my favorite01:02:14.512 --> 01:02:15.202


buffalo wing shake.01:02:15.353 --> 01:02:15.503


Yeah.01:02:15.503 --> 01:02:15.773


Okay.01:02:16.373 --> 01:02:17.512


So, um,01:02:17.842 --> 01:02:21.472


we're not doing rain chase wedding because I would probably do the honey, honey jalapeno.01:02:21.983 --> 01:02:22.793


Oh, right up there for me.01:02:22.943 --> 01:02:23.663


Oh yeah, that one is good.01:02:24.503 --> 01:02:25.463


I forgot about that one.01:02:26.213 --> 01:02:27.952


Um, and on a scale, actually, go ahead.01:02:28.523 --> 01:02:29.327


Actually you want that one instead?01:02:29.617 --> 01:02:29.967


Maybe,01:02:31.527 --> 01:02:31.887


I dunno.01:02:32.032 --> 01:02:32.152


You01:02:32.152 --> 01:02:38.242


can, you can get more of any of these right online or in person at Old Town Space Shop.01:02:38.242 --> 01:02:38.452


That's true.01:02:38.512 --> 01:02:40.342


Or Matador Mexican girl.01:02:40.347 --> 01:02:41.992


I think I will still go with this one then.01:02:41.992 --> 01:02:42.052


Yeah.01:02:43.012 --> 01:02:44.422


Well, Shirley, thank you.01:02:44.483 --> 01:02:46.132


I think we're brought up at our time deadline.01:02:46.132 --> 01:02:47.632


Do you have any last questions of me?01:02:48.128 --> 01:02:49.777


No, but you sure are sweating.01:02:50.887 --> 01:02:51.277


I'm sweaty.01:02:51.277 --> 01:02:51.353


I'm sweaty.01:02:51.358 --> 01:02:55.717


Betty, thanks for pointing it out.01:02:56.833 --> 01:02:58.688


I want, I just wanna point out you're sweat.01:02:58.693 --> 01:02:59.032


Sweat.01:02:59.032 --> 01:02:59.737


I'm not sweating.01:02:59.742 --> 01:02:59.833


Sweat.01:02:59.833 --> 01:03:00.007


No sweat.01:03:00.007 --> 01:03:00.873


And I didn't cry.01:03:01.213 --> 01:03:01.592


You didn't01:03:01.592 --> 01:03:03.938


cry so well, good luck in November.01:03:03.998 --> 01:03:04.538


Well thank you.01:03:04.538 --> 01:03:05.978


And uh, thanks for being here today.01:03:06.007 --> 01:03:06.938


Yeah, thanks for having me.01:03:06.938 --> 01:03:07.088


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