Sept. 25, 2025

BONUS EPISODE - #1 Hot Nugs Conversation with Shirley Peel For Mayor of the City of Fort Collins

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Shirley Peel is a candidate for Fort Collins Mayor, and joined me for the first of our Hot Nugs Conversations - a collaboration between LoCo Think Tank, Matador Mexican Grill, Old Town Spice Shop, and The LoCo Experience Podcast.  

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Shirley Peele is a candidate for Fort Collins Mayor.

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And join me for the first of our hot Nugs conversations, a collaboration between Loco Think Tank Matador, Mexican Grill, old Town Spice Shop, and the Loco Experience Podcast.

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Please visit Shirley for foco.com to learn more about our platform and make sure to vote by or before November 4th, 2025.

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Welcome to a special bonus episode of the Loco Experience Podcast.

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This is part of our Hot Nugs conversation series.

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Today I'm here with Shirley Peele.

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Welcome Shirley.

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Thanks Kurt.

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Thanks for braving it.

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I just want you to know this is the very first podcast that I've ever been on before that's in my life, so I'm pretty excited.

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I'm honored.

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I'm honored.

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Yeah.

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And we do, we have a lot of, uh, first timers on this show.

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Oh, okay.

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You'll be okay.

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Yeah, I'm an old hand.

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Okay, good.

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Although I understand you are not a huge spice lover and so braving this when that's the case, uh, well, I want you to know that I'm gonna be all sweaty by the end of it.

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Okay.

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And like my hair is gonna be like a mohawk and so.

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No matter what happens, you're gonna look prettier than I do by the end.

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I don't know.

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I might be crying.

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I might be crying.

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Yeah.

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Don't get it.

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Any of your eyes or your nose, uh, just remember that.

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Okay.

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So, um, let's get started with just kind of a short introduction, um, maybe of a little bit of your background and, and, and a little bit of your why and be kind, becoming a mayoral candidate here for City of Fort Collins.

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Okay.

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And, uh, I'll give you a minute or two or whatever, whatever makes you comfortable.

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Okay.

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I can do that.

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Um, actually, I'll try to be short and sweet.

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I, my name is Shirley Peele and I've been in Fort Collins for 25 years.

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I have been married to my husband for 37 years and we raised four children here.

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Congratulations in Collins.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Uh, my background is in education.

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I have started several education initiatives.

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I've served on several education boards and I.

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Was honored to be elected to be on the Fort Collins City Council in 2021, I believe.

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Okay.

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20.

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Yes.

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I think.

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Um, and I served there for about three years and I tell people it was my, um, best job ever.

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Really.

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I really enjoyed it.

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What did you love about it?

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You know, I just, I love the people.

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Yeah.

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And I liked helping people with their problems with the city.

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I like solving problems.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, yeah, I just enjoyed it a lot.

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While I was on City council, I was on the Legislative affairs committee, I was on the finance committee, and I served on the, um, national League of Cities Youth and Family Advisory Board.

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Okay.

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So really busy.

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And currently, currently I'm serving on the Planning and zoning commission.

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Oh, wow.

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Which is, that's a whole new cup of worms to learn about, right?

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It is, it is.

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But I'm a little bit of a nerd, so I really like it and I'm learning a lot about our development review process.

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Yeah.

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And, um, and then our zoning and why I wanna be mayor.

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Well, my husband keeps asking me that.

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I bet your husband though.

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I'm on the random.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He keeps saying, why, why do you wanna do this?

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But it goes back to, um, I just really like being on council.

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I like serving, I like helping people.

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And one of the main reasons is my.

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Craig and I were very fortunate to raise our kids here, and our kids had so many opportunities and they were able to take advantage of all that Fort Collins has to offer.

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And I just wanna keep it that way for the next generation and the next generation.

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And the next generation.

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Yeah,

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I dig it.

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Um, well we are here for some hot nugs, so, um, Ava, are you ready with the first sauce and what is this first sauce, Shirley?

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It is, oh, sorry.

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It is the meador barbecue sauce.

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So just straight up barbecue sauce.

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Yeah.

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No fear here.

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Yeah,

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no fear.

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But we will share

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tasting notes, uh, okay.

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After each one.

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So, uh, cheers, I guess.

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Oh, I gotta get a little bit, a little bit more on there.

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There we go.

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Kind of, kind of stingy with the sauce.

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Yeah.

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Fill'em a little fuller.

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Next time.

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Maybe you have to, oh yeah.

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You said no double dipping.

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Yeah.

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You can double dip.

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We'll

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do the other one.

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Yeah.

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If you do the backside, we can do that, right?

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Yep.

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Okay, perfect.

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We, we have the same philosophy and it comes to double dipping.

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Okay.

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That has a, that's a little hint of spice.

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Mm-hmm.

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Not much.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Very pleasant though.

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I, I grew up in Texas, so you got, you got to have really good barbecue sauce to impress me.

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And this is actually really good.

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Good job,

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Paul.

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And, and it's not too sweet, like it sweet, but it isn't like overpower you with that.

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Right.

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So our first question, when you finish chewing, I won't make you.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I got one more little bite chew.

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Our first question is from James Merkley with Story Path Creative, and James is a friend and a co-lab co collaborator here as well.

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Um, what's your fondest story to share about the people or community of Fort Collins?

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So, I, I'm gonna go at it from a little bit different perspective as one fondest story.

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I, I just wanna talk about memories and.

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There.

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I have no bad memories in Fort Collins and

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none.

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Well, no, I was trying to think about not even

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like a, a friend that didn't call you back when she said she, well, I

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mean, minor, maybe minor things, but the good definitely outweighs the bad.

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And I, when I think back on our time in Fort Collins, I think about like all the people that we've come in contact, uh, with through our kids' schools, activities, sports, and I, I just think on those are such good memories.

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And then, um, just the memories that my husband was at CSU, we have a lot of CSU memories.

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Okay.

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Is that what

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brought you here?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We moved here from

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And where, where had you been?

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Uh, I grew up in Texas, so.

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Okay.

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Yeah, you mentioned that.

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Yeah.

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In city

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Texas.

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Country, Texas.

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Well, so we came.

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I grew up in West Texas.

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We went to school in San Angelo, Texas, and then, uh, we lived on the border for a while, and then Craig was at a and m, so we came here from Texas a and m.

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Okay.

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So Brian College station area.

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But, um, but yeah, we have a lot of memories with, um, cam, the ram.

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My husband was the faculty advisor, and so we had Cam at our house Oh wow.

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For years.

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And then, so consequently we had college students in and out our house.

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I mean, it was literally a revolving door.

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Oh,

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so you've really touched a lot of sectors.

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It seems to me like with between the education initiatives and I, I might wanna dig more into that.

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Yeah.

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But also part of CSU culture and the university is different than Right.

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You know, uh, what for post-secondary?

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What?

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No, that's post-secondary.

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Secondary what?

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Primary education is what they call the kiddos.

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Right.

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Primary.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, um.

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But also then in government.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And uh, yeah.

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So what do you think about um,

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well, when I run into, it's funny when I run into people and they say, do I know you?

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And I'm like, yeah, I think I know you.

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And so then we have to go through this whole list, kids, CSU education.

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Right?

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And so we're like, oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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I used to sit at the soccer club with, with you 2010.

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Yeah, exactly.

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When you're, when our boys were both 13.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So it's fun.

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It's fun to look back on all that and remember that.

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And it's good memories.

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Yeah.

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And my kids have good memories from here too.

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Was your, what was your favorite sport?

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Um, well, we're from Texas, so can you guess what our favorites kind football, I would guess Yes.

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Football.

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That, that was, and did several of your boys play?

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Uh, both my boys played.

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Both.

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Or both of your boys?

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Yeah.

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And I, football was my favorite like.

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Just favorite sport.

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My daughter, one of my daughters was a high level gymnast and I don't like gymnastics.

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I have PSD

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You get terrified every time she's up in the air.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Trying to grab the bargain.

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Yeah.

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And she was actually an elite gymnast, so it was pretty intense.

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And um, and, but actually track, I loved watching track, so

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that's cool.

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And it, can I grab brag on my kids for a little bit?

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Sure, yeah.

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If you go to Rocky Mountain High School, both my girls are on the wall for state championships.

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Oh wow.

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So won in track and one in gymnastics.

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Oh, that's so cool.

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Yeah.

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What was the track stars?

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Uh, sport,

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uh, her race was the 800.

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So yeah,

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in the mid, which is the hardest, like some people are spinner and other people are long distances, but there aren't that many mids.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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So I think we're ready for the next, uh, okay.

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Next, uh, sample.

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This is a dry rub this time from Old Town Spice Shop.

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And what's the,

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this is a Buffalo hot wing rub.

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Buffalo little hot wing rub.

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So this would be, I guess, uh, kind of used for your wings if you want dry rub hot wing style.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So here we go.

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Ooh, that's pretty healthy.

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I'm just, I can smell it from here.

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I'm just gonna take a little dip.

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Yeah, that's good.

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That's good.

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You do that.

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Mm.

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That's not so bad.

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No.

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Mm, really yummy.

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Good job, Sean.

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That Dexter looks really good.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm trying to figure out what I'm tasting there.

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What are you tasting?

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Yeah, there's definitely, well, the cool thing is it almost tastes like it's got like the, the buttery flavor Yeah.

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Of like the, the proper buffalo hot wing sauce, right.

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Plus the Frankie's kind of flavors.

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So,

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yeah.

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I like that a lot actually.

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Yeah.

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Good job guys.

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They set this up just so we could brag about them.

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Oh.

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For 45 minutes or so while we eat nuggets, but we will ask questions.

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Paul is the next one from Matador Mexican Grill.

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The, uh, the creator of, or not the creator.

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These guys collaborate on sauces.

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So the sauces that Old Town Spice Shops sells, most of them are made by Paul too.

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Oh, okay.

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In this commissary, but they're designed by Sean.

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Okay, nice.

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So

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they got quite a, quite a system going there.

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So Paul says, what is your plan to help support small businesses to start and grow in Northern Colorado?

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Okay.

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Easy, easy.

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So small businesses, or actually local businesses are kind of my, um, they're kind of my soapbox these days.

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Okay.

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Right.

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Because.

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I, as you know, our economy is based on our local business, right.

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It's based on our tax base.

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So if our, if our business community's not healthy, then our economy's not healthy.

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We don't wet have cod milk.

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Right?

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And so I feel like I've been beating the drum for the last five years now about the health of our business community.

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And I, the first thing I wanna do is create a very pro business environment because if you, um.

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If you look back over the last 10 years, for some reason the opinion of the business community has taken a hit.

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I don't know why.

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Like what the business

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community thinks about or what people think about the business community.

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No.

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What

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people, yes.

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They've kind of become the bad guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's changed.

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I wrote about that

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last month.

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Okay.

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That trust and especially of what are perceived as the wealthy.

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Right.

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Like it's like eat the rich, kind of like 40% of people and like 55% of kids are like, eat the rich.

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Right.

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Right.

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I was just, and when

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you're a small business owner with a burrito shop and you're like not rich.

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Right.

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Not, not rich.

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Don't eat me, eat my burritos.

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Right.

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More of them please.

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Yes.

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And actually when I was on council, I would talk to businesses and they weren't shy about showing me their bottom line.

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Yeah.

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And Right.

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They're like a 3% margin.

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Yeah.

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Most of the small businesses here.

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Mm-hmm.

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So one little thing

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Totally

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will just wipe it out.

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Yeah.

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When insurance

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costs go way up and things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so.

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But the city staff dedicated to small business has grown from five to 12 over the last 10 years.

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So they must be doing a lot more to help small business.

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Well, I think that was one of my points, so, so let me back up a little bit.

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So the other thing I wanna do is make sure that businesses, or I'm sorry, excuse me, the city is not hindering businesses with their regulations and their processes, which while I was on council, I had several.

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People in the business community reach out to me and say, Hey, I'm having so much trouble getting through this city process.

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Can you help me?

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Yeah.

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And

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so I was able to walk them through that.

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Um, so that's another thing.

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Are you trying

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to doge it at, at, uh, planning and zoning committee?

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No.

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No.

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And I will, can I give a shout out to the P and z?

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'cause right now I think there's, we have an excellent PNC.

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Cool.

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Good.

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Um, very balanced.

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It's the process, right?

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Mm.

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You have to adhere to the processes and the, you're stuck with kind of what We got the stand right now, right?

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What we got, so, no, no, doge.

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Um, but, so anyway, processes.

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We wanna be efficient, right?

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And we wanna be timely.

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And then the last thing, you know, you're talking about the increase, right?

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At the city, on the city staff.

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I, I would like to take a look and see exactly what we're doing.

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Because I, it seems like we could be doing a better job if we've increased that much and we're still having issues.

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I think we need to, well, a lot of resources

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seem to be dedicated to bringing new businesses into Fort Collins from afar.

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Yeah.

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But we don't have any place for them to build or any water for them to buy if they're a big employer.

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So it's hard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, so,

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but the, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there's Then they go to Greeley.

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Yeah.

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After they visit Fort Collins.

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I know.

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That's why our

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tech base is going south and east, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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So,

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well, that probably seems like a hairy enough answer for, yeah.

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For, for now on that question.

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Um, who's your, do you want give any small business shout outs?

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Some, uh, um, places, not as a candidate, not because they donated to your campaign, but just ones that you moved here, here and you're like, these are awesome.

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Yes.

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Well, when we first moved here, three, three margaritas was Oh yeah.

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The place to go.

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'cause on Tuesday night, your kids.

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I think they used to eat for free.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Or reduced or something.

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So that, that was our oldest favorite one.

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Um, currently our favorite is Taco Stop.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then I do a lot of business at, uh, not business, but I meet a lot of people at Lima Coffee and uh, uh, happy Trails Coffee.

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Hmm.

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That those have Oh yeah.

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Have kind of become my office Happy Trails.

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Is is, uh, the, the snack attack?

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Yeah.

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Folks.

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Yeah, they're right there.

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It's,

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it's out of my like Yeah.

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I don't go that way much.

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Yeah.

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But I've been meaning to check it out'cause I've been increasingly stopping in the snack attack, so I felt figured I should check out that coffee shop too.

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Yeah.

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It's great.

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It's central to meet people, so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Um, onto the next, okay.

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Are you ready for us?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Ava, Sue,

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we, oh, I might cry on this one.

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Uhoh honey.

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Jalapeno sauce.

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Oh.

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That's interesting.

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It looks like honey.

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Yeah.

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Maybe the honey will cut the, the spice.

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I'm not scared.

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Okay.

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You go first.

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Okay.

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I'll pass it to you so you can get a good old, you can just do light spa first time.

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Okay.

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Oh, it's got the flakes in it.

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Mm.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So is spicy.

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No, no.

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Like, like, kind of a little bit, but like, have you ever had jalapeno jelly?

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh, it tastes

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like that.

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Yeah.

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See?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Jalapeno jelly is a staple in Texas.

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I'm good.

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I've got enough here.

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Okay.

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Mm.

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Tasting.

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That's a really nice,

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yeah, I like that too.

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But it is, I can feel I'm getting a little, it's getting a little hotter.

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Yeah, I'm getting a little glow,

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but, but I'm not crying yet, so we're good.

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Yeah, that's good.

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That's good.

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Is that your reaction as you cry, like your eyes tear up and stuff?

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Mm-hmm.

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That's when I hear sad stories.

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Right.

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Usually a good job of shielding your chewing.

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So I'm just flopping away over here, by the way.

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We can take a break whenever we choose.

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Oh, okay.

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Might be more important later.

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We can do a milk break too.

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Oh yeah.

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Shout out to morning fresh dairy.

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Okay.

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If we're donating, uh, root beer and milk Okay.

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For us to have here, if we want to, we decided we would just go with, uh, red wine and bourbon, uh, with bubble water for the first little bit.

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Hmm.

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I kind of want to like drink that one.

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I know.

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That's really good.

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Excuse me.

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Um, but yes.

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Good job.

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And is that one must be Old Town Spice Shop branded?

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Uh, no, it's, no, that's Matador.

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Uh, Matador.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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So good job, Paul.

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Once again.

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Um, third question.

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Okay.

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This one is from, uh, mayor Emeritus, Wade Trel.

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You probably know Wade.

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I do know Wade.

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Everybody knows Wade.

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Uh, Eddie's, uh, pa twice past guests or maybe, yeah, at least twice.

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Okay.

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And, uh, Eddie listens regularly.

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He'll gimme shout outs from time to time.

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He is like, oh, I like that episode.

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Yeah.

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So shout out to Wade.

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His question is, uh, actually a repeat of a, of a recent question that you guys faced in a, in a in-person event, but it wasn't live, right.

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So, Fort Collins has been described as the choice city of Colorado and is known for beers, bikes, and bands and more.

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What is your vision for the evolving brand for the city of Fort Collins 30 years from now?

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What might we be known for?

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Okay, so I, I don't know if you would think that this is a brand, but, but I really, um, I really want this wholeheartedly.

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I, 30 years from now, I want people to look at Fort Collins and say they got it right.

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They got their zoning right.

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They got their infrastructure right.

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They got their, um, distribution of water.

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Right.

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They got the safety in their neighborhoods.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And their relationship with the university, right?

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Yes.

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Right.

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Everything I, I, I wanted, I want us to be such an example that people from all over the country go, wow, we need to look at what they're doing in Fort, but won't

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they just try to move here then?

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Yeah.

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And make our housing costs too much,

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you know, maybe, but, but if we get our zoning

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right, yeah.

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And maybe figure it out a little bit better.

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Maybe we can actually have enough housing and enough water.

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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And just, that's one hard thing about being on council is sometimes I get paralyzed trying to make a decision because I'm trying to see down the road at what the cons, unintended consequences are.

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And because I so wanna get everything right, I want, you know, I want us to be the, were you like the

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super A plus student?

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Like all through school and stuff, you wanted to get everything right?

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Yes.

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And I

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was a yes.

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And I am, I'm a perfectionist, but that's why I had four kids.

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'cause you can't be a perfectionist.

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That took some of it outta you.

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Yes, yes.

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So, but yeah, I just want them to say, wow, they planned for the future really well.

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Yeah.

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I, uh, one of my favorite bumper stickers is, uh, save the Pooter.

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Yeah.

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Store it in Glade.

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Yeah, I'm not gonna touch that.

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I'm not touching that.

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Alright.

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Alright.

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I'm not touching that.

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I could be that guy.

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You don't have to be that lady.

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Um, did we cover, I think we covered that question pretty

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well.

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Yes, I think so.

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A little

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bit of accessories.

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Yeah.

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Um, the next sauce, madam, and by the way, Ava, if you wanna drink the rest of that honey jalapeno stuff, I will not judge you.

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Lemme just this really quick.

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It's so good.

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Okay.

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This one sounds like it might be getting a little scary, uh, rebel uprising.

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Oh yeah.

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This is Brewhouse sauces.

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Is that a difference?

00:21:38.657 --> 00:21:38.897
Yeah.

00:21:38.897 --> 00:21:40.518
It's actually one of Sean's brands.

00:21:40.548 --> 00:21:40.607
Oh, okay.

00:21:40.698 --> 00:21:42.228
Uh, from Old Town Spice Shop.

00:21:42.228 --> 00:21:43.577
And this is his question.

00:21:43.637 --> 00:21:44.028
Okay.

00:21:44.327 --> 00:21:47.478
Um, well, I guess we asked the question after we dip, huh?

00:21:47.627 --> 00:21:48.468
Yes, I dip.

00:21:48.468 --> 00:21:49.153
You dip, you dip.

00:21:49.307 --> 00:21:51.978
We dip Here.

00:21:51.978 --> 00:21:53.657
I'll ladies first if you like.

00:21:55.002 --> 00:21:55.343
All right.

00:21:56.913 --> 00:21:58.383
Little nervous about this one.

00:21:58.383 --> 00:21:58.563
You did a

00:21:58.563 --> 00:22:01.833
nice healthy dip there for a, I know nervous gal.

00:22:01.833 --> 00:22:06.242
Appreciate your enthusiasm.

00:22:06.722 --> 00:22:07.053
Okay.

00:22:07.627 --> 00:22:08.252
I, I won't.

00:22:08.313 --> 00:22:08.583
Yeah.

00:22:09.212 --> 00:22:10.022
That one's been a little mm-hmm.

00:22:10.593 --> 00:22:11.282
Too much,

00:22:14.462 --> 00:22:15.272
but nice.

00:22:15.932 --> 00:22:15.992
Yeah.

00:22:15.992 --> 00:22:18.992
I think even as a spice skeptic, you're Yeah.

00:22:18.992 --> 00:22:20.133
Finding the joy in there.

00:22:21.333 --> 00:22:22.143
I like the flavor.

00:22:22.143 --> 00:22:22.383
I'm into the

00:22:22.383 --> 00:22:22.982
backside,

00:22:23.042 --> 00:22:24.827
but my mouth is starting to burn a little,

00:22:26.192 --> 00:22:27.002
but not too bad.

00:22:27.032 --> 00:22:33.363
It's neat how it's got a, like, sometimes the tomato flavor doesn't really come through once a sauce.

00:22:33.363 --> 00:22:33.452
Mm-hmm.

00:22:33.692 --> 00:22:37.202
It gets this spicy, but this one still has a really nice Yep.

00:22:37.413 --> 00:22:39.182
Almost like a salsa vibe going on.

00:22:40.893 --> 00:22:48.813
It's also kind of got a, like a, I don't know what you would say, like a zing or a tart.

00:22:49.232 --> 00:22:49.593
Taste.

00:22:49.653 --> 00:22:49.863
Yeah.

00:22:49.863 --> 00:22:50.613
Yeah, yeah,

00:22:50.643 --> 00:22:50.913
yeah.

00:22:51.333 --> 00:22:51.482
Yeah.

00:22:51.482 --> 00:22:53.222
Very nice job guys.

00:22:53.222 --> 00:22:54.363
My eyes are watering a little.

00:22:54.573 --> 00:22:54.843
My,

00:22:54.843 --> 00:22:56.313
actually it's, I'm starting to drip.

00:22:56.792 --> 00:22:56.972
Yeah.

00:22:56.972 --> 00:22:58.413
My forehead is starting to drip.

00:22:58.623 --> 00:22:59.942
Uh, you could probably see it.

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I think you as big as baby as I am.

00:23:01.803 --> 00:23:02.313
Oh, yeah.

00:23:02.522 --> 00:23:04.383
But my, my mouth can take it.

00:23:04.772 --> 00:23:06.303
My, my stomach can take it.

00:23:06.303 --> 00:23:08.942
Oh, my digestive system.

00:23:08.942 --> 00:23:10.053
Not quite as much.

00:23:10.053 --> 00:23:13.232
And definitely my face and sweaty forehead.

00:23:14.252 --> 00:23:15.482
It's gonna get ugly from here.

00:23:15.542 --> 00:23:16.202
Just to remind you.

00:23:16.208 --> 00:23:17.853
I might, I might need the milk in a minute though.

00:23:17.853 --> 00:23:18.093
Okay.

00:23:18.093 --> 00:23:18.423
Well

00:23:18.603 --> 00:23:21.452
actually I think we'll take a break'cause we'll be halfway done after this question.

00:23:21.782 --> 00:23:22.083
Okay.

00:23:22.232 --> 00:23:27.182
And then we can prepare ourselves with some milk and, uh, I might have a little bit of that red wine.

00:23:27.212 --> 00:23:27.542
Okay.

00:23:27.633 --> 00:23:30.032
Because it seems just a little nicer with this than Yeah.

00:23:30.393 --> 00:23:31.232
With the bourbon.

00:23:31.653 --> 00:23:33.542
And first Sean's question.

00:23:33.542 --> 00:23:33.782
Question.

00:23:35.313 --> 00:23:45.002
The proposed, um, paid on-street parking, the proposal for paid on-street parking in Fort Collins, AMSU address revenues and parking turnover.

00:23:45.633 --> 00:23:54.093
How do you plan to balance the city's need for revenue and parking management with concerns of business owners and customers regarding accessibility and affordability?

00:23:55.053 --> 00:23:56.012
Yeah, so

00:23:56.252 --> 00:23:57.542
very old town specific.

00:23:57.573 --> 00:23:57.873
Right.

00:23:58.323 --> 00:24:07.803
And uh, so I actually, you know, when you're running for mayor, everybody expects you to be an expert on everything, right?

00:24:08.222 --> 00:24:08.432
Well, you

00:24:08.432 --> 00:24:09.182
planning, zoning committee.

00:24:09.407 --> 00:24:09.698
Yeah.

00:24:09.698 --> 00:24:10.298
You know, just kidding.

00:24:10.303 --> 00:24:10.593
Yeah.

00:24:10.923 --> 00:24:22.982
So I actually, to be completely transparent, I have just started like researching this and diving into it and, um, trying to figure out the thing.

00:24:22.982 --> 00:24:33.423
The thing that concerns me right now is I'm hearing that businesses were not consulted about this, and they're feeling kind of blindsided by this.

00:24:33.573 --> 00:24:38.792
So like, well, I think I read that Fort Collins like hired this big consultancy to like study it.

00:24:38.792 --> 00:24:40.137
Parking plan wouldn't.

00:24:40.788 --> 00:24:44.567
Like interviewing like a hundred small businesses downtown.

00:24:44.567 --> 00:24:46.607
Be part of a good engagement in that regard,

00:24:46.817 --> 00:24:46.938
right?

00:24:46.942 --> 00:24:47.143
Yes.

00:24:47.268 --> 00:24:47.387
But

00:24:47.387 --> 00:24:48.317
nobody did.

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Or not most people did, or that's

00:24:50.057 --> 00:24:51.827
what I'm hearing from the business community.

00:24:51.827 --> 00:24:51.857
Okay.

00:24:51.857 --> 00:24:52.127
Gotcha.

00:24:52.248 --> 00:24:52.577
Right.

00:24:52.577 --> 00:24:56.057
I haven't, and like I said, I'm just starting to investigate.

00:24:56.117 --> 00:24:56.357
So

00:24:56.357 --> 00:24:58.742
the city needs to share kind of some of their process.

00:24:58.742 --> 00:24:58.968
Yes.

00:24:58.998 --> 00:24:59.567
At least.

00:24:59.597 --> 00:24:59.718
Yes.

00:25:00.407 --> 00:25:06.917
And we, so at the very least, the business community in downtown needs to be at the table.

00:25:07.518 --> 00:25:07.577
Yeah.

00:25:07.577 --> 00:25:08.778
Any discussion on that?

00:25:08.837 --> 00:25:21.702
And then second of all, whatever solution we come up with it, it needs to make sure it's not on the backs of the businesses and it, uh, needs to make sure that it's not making it harder for them.

00:25:21.702 --> 00:25:22.577
Well, if it chase people

00:25:22.577 --> 00:25:25.907
out of coming to downtown, like people already kind of avoid downtown.

00:25:25.907 --> 00:25:25.917
Right.

00:25:25.968 --> 00:25:27.377
Like southsiders and stuff.

00:25:27.377 --> 00:25:27.823
Right, right, right.

00:25:27.827 --> 00:25:28.067
Yeah.

00:25:28.097 --> 00:25:30.827
But if that became contagious, it would be rough.

00:25:30.887 --> 00:25:31.278
Yes.

00:25:31.488 --> 00:25:37.428
You know, we wouldn't have that vibrant downtown with the dogs and the people and the sunny days and all the things

00:25:37.488 --> 00:25:38.178
and.

00:25:38.883 --> 00:25:45.752
Um, I can't remember the percentage of our tax base that comes from downtown, but it's, it's pretty significant Right.

00:25:45.752 --> 00:25:46.928
Compared to the rest of the city.

00:25:46.998 --> 00:25:47.288
Yeah.

00:25:47.288 --> 00:25:48.272
With the declining sales,

00:25:48.272 --> 00:25:49.623
it's not like the mall is pulling its weight.

00:25:49.623 --> 00:25:49.772
Right.

00:25:50.373 --> 00:25:50.728
You know?

00:25:51.663 --> 00:25:51.843
Right.

00:25:51.843 --> 00:25:51.903
Yeah.

00:25:52.383 --> 00:25:57.512
Um, do you know like how full are the parking garages downtown?

00:25:57.512 --> 00:25:58.923
Like are they full up already?

00:25:59.133 --> 00:25:59.432
Um, I,

00:25:59.972 --> 00:26:02.823
or like, are people just avoiding the parking garages?

00:26:02.823 --> 00:26:03.603
'cause you gotta pay.

00:26:04.022 --> 00:26:04.623
Well, because that's a

00:26:04.623 --> 00:26:05.972
challenge of it too, right?

00:26:06.032 --> 00:26:07.127
Well, I think, I don't.

00:26:08.057 --> 00:26:10.218
It's not, the parking garages are not that much.

00:26:10.218 --> 00:26:10.307
They're

00:26:10.307 --> 00:26:10.792
so cheap.

00:26:10.792 --> 00:26:11.073
Right.

00:26:11.867 --> 00:26:14.117
I think it's more of a convenience factor.

00:26:14.178 --> 00:26:14.387
Right.

00:26:14.387 --> 00:26:17.657
People want to park like right where they wanna go.

00:26:17.688 --> 00:26:17.988
Yeah.

00:26:18.048 --> 00:26:20.298
They don't wanna walk basically.

00:26:20.448 --> 00:26:23.208
So we need more parking garages that charge just a little bit.

00:26:23.208 --> 00:26:25.817
And you can play the lottery for free parking on the street.

00:26:25.847 --> 00:26:26.327
Yeah.

00:26:26.327 --> 00:26:26.357
I don't know.

00:26:26.357 --> 00:26:27.198
But they just fight for it.

00:26:27.258 --> 00:26:27.978
Yeah, I know.

00:26:27.978 --> 00:26:28.847
Like, and I, you keep

00:26:28.952 --> 00:26:30.002
driving around looking for it.

00:26:30.002 --> 00:26:30.167
Explore

00:26:30.167 --> 00:26:32.958
it with, uh, ginger, you know, ginger and bakery.

00:26:33.018 --> 00:26:33.288
Oh, yeah.

00:26:33.292 --> 00:26:33.472
Yeah.

00:26:33.528 --> 00:26:33.768
Like

00:26:33.827 --> 00:26:39.377
they, I don't know how much, like if the city helps'em pay the rent on the parking lot that they rent from Moss's Lumber.

00:26:39.468 --> 00:26:39.827
Right.

00:26:39.917 --> 00:26:41.028
Doubt it Kind of.

00:26:41.028 --> 00:26:44.208
But like, it seems like if the city of Fort Collins wants there to be.

00:26:44.748 --> 00:26:48.228
A north side corridor, which they've wanted to do forever.

00:26:48.377 --> 00:26:48.468
Right.

00:26:49.637 --> 00:26:53.837
Well, they've got a certain element of obligation into providing parking for things that need

00:26:53.837 --> 00:26:54.228
parking.

00:26:54.403 --> 00:26:54.752
Right.

00:26:55.188 --> 00:26:55.428
Right.

00:26:55.877 --> 00:26:56.208
Yes.

00:26:56.208 --> 00:26:59.028
And parking, the parking issue is not gonna go away.

00:26:59.147 --> 00:26:59.417
Yeah.

00:26:59.597 --> 00:27:02.567
So again, it's something that we need to get right.

00:27:02.567 --> 00:27:03.407
Maybe all of our tallest

00:27:03.407 --> 00:27:05.792
buildings in Fort College to just all be parking garages.

00:27:05.792 --> 00:27:05.803
Right.

00:27:06.048 --> 00:27:08.057
Like everything else needs to be three stories and below.

00:27:08.057 --> 00:27:09.498
'cause it can't get through P and Z otherwise.

00:27:09.768 --> 00:27:10.097
Right, right.

00:27:11.657 --> 00:27:11.958
Well,

00:27:11.958 --> 00:27:18.647
I think with the new land use code, the commercial piece that's coming out, I think they're gonna relax that a little bit.

00:27:18.738 --> 00:27:18.768
Okay.

00:27:18.768 --> 00:27:22.397
I haven't, I haven't looked at all warm variety of potentially and stuff too, so yeah,

00:27:22.692 --> 00:27:22.913
go.

00:27:23.022 --> 00:27:23.313
Yeah.

00:27:23.357 --> 00:27:24.077
You ready for a break?

00:27:24.288 --> 00:27:24.528
Sure.

00:27:24.768 --> 00:27:25.458
Okay, let's do it.

00:28:14.948 --> 00:28:16.417
And here we are back from our break.

00:28:17.147 --> 00:28:19.028
And, uh, so far so good.

00:28:19.147 --> 00:28:19.298
Okay.

00:28:19.387 --> 00:28:20.077
Yeah, we survived it.

00:28:20.317 --> 00:28:20.587
I know.

00:28:20.587 --> 00:28:21.278
We're having fun.

00:28:21.577 --> 00:28:27.488
This is, uh, we're told similarly hot the next couple before they get a little hotter again.

00:28:27.548 --> 00:28:27.667
Okay.

00:28:28.028 --> 00:28:31.778
Um, and this is the Matador Buffalo, that right?

00:28:31.782 --> 00:28:32.827
Yes, the me, yes.

00:28:32.827 --> 00:28:34.057
Matador, buffalo sauce.

00:28:34.147 --> 00:28:34.448
Okay.

00:28:35.228 --> 00:28:35.647
You ready?

00:28:35.768 --> 00:28:35.948
Yeah.

00:28:36.278 --> 00:28:36.458
Okay.

00:28:36.458 --> 00:28:39.488
We'll do it ladies first.

00:28:42.758 --> 00:28:43.208
Oh, shoot.

00:28:43.357 --> 00:28:43.538
Sorry.

00:28:43.538 --> 00:28:43.897
That's all right.

00:28:48.248 --> 00:28:48.607
Hmm.

00:28:49.238 --> 00:28:49.508
Oh,

00:28:51.817 --> 00:28:52.117
nope,

00:28:55.627 --> 00:28:56.347
that one's too.

00:28:57.712 --> 00:28:58.972
Tomato, I think, or

00:28:59.212 --> 00:28:59.423
Hmm,

00:28:59.752 --> 00:29:00.113
too.

00:29:01.432 --> 00:29:03.232
Oh, so it's not the spice that's turning you off.

00:29:03.232 --> 00:29:04.282
It's something else.

00:29:04.313 --> 00:29:04.702
Yeah.

00:29:04.942 --> 00:29:05.153
Okay.

00:29:05.153 --> 00:29:05.813
Sorry guys.

00:29:05.817 --> 00:29:06.262
Spice Spice isnt bad.

00:29:06.262 --> 00:29:06.623
First time.

00:29:06.623 --> 00:29:07.673
They surely didn't like it.

00:29:07.673 --> 00:29:08.363
I know.

00:29:09.593 --> 00:29:11.093
The spice is not bad.

00:29:11.393 --> 00:29:12.772
No, I think it's just right.

00:29:13.208 --> 00:29:13.627
But the

00:29:14.048 --> 00:29:20.873
but the, the buffalo powder better recreates the flavor I'm looking for when I'm buffaloing than that.

00:29:20.873 --> 00:29:20.992
Right.

00:29:21.053 --> 00:29:22.252
There's too, I, I agree.

00:29:22.252 --> 00:29:22.313
Yeah.

00:29:22.468 --> 00:29:22.627
Yeah.

00:29:22.643 --> 00:29:22.883
Sorry.

00:29:22.883 --> 00:29:24.022
Paul retune it a little bit.

00:29:24.022 --> 00:29:25.913
There's a little bit more of that tomato flavor out there.

00:29:26.303 --> 00:29:28.673
Yeah, it's too, it's too strong or something.

00:29:28.673 --> 00:29:29.423
I dunno.

00:29:29.688 --> 00:29:39.593
And I have right here the, uh, root beer from morning fresh dairy, which is delicious.

00:29:40.972 --> 00:29:44.307
You're not onto the milk yet'cause you don't need it stick I don't mean the milk with the red wine in my way.

00:29:44.337 --> 00:29:44.627
I'll

00:29:44.627 --> 00:29:45.188
stick with the red wine.

00:29:45.262 --> 00:29:45.442
Yeah.

00:29:46.613 --> 00:29:53.212
So our fifth question is, Ooh, the social hot topic.

00:29:55.417 --> 00:30:04.958
How would you rate the city of Fort Collins on its homelessness initiatives in recent decades and recent years, and what changes would you recommend to the program going forward,

00:30:07.928 --> 00:30:08.167
you think?

00:30:08.288 --> 00:30:14.948
Um, so I do think the city of Fort Collins is doing a good job in some aspects, right?

00:30:15.788 --> 00:30:25.958
I think the, the outreach for Collins that they, you know, the pro, that program, I actually walked along with them on it.

00:30:26.012 --> 00:30:26.303
Yeah.

00:30:26.303 --> 00:30:26.978
They came to a rotary

00:30:26.978 --> 00:30:31.327
club, uh, about eight months ago or something, and I was like, oh wow, that's actually pretty cool.

00:30:31.357 --> 00:30:31.928
Yes, it is.

00:30:31.928 --> 00:30:33.307
And they're very good at what they do.

00:30:33.307 --> 00:30:33.667
Yeah.

00:30:34.057 --> 00:30:34.597
And.

00:30:35.258 --> 00:30:38.498
And to activate volunteers to do that kind of important work.

00:30:38.978 --> 00:30:39.067
Yes.

00:30:39.067 --> 00:30:41.557
Like frankly, the city don't have enough money to do it

00:30:41.738 --> 00:30:42.127
Right.

00:30:42.127 --> 00:30:42.907
All itself.

00:30:42.907 --> 00:30:43.028
Right.

00:30:43.028 --> 00:30:45.442
You kind of have to activate people that care about that cause they

00:30:45.442 --> 00:30:45.563
do.

00:30:45.563 --> 00:30:45.762
Yes.

00:30:45.782 --> 00:30:47.438
And they are very dedicated.

00:30:47.498 --> 00:30:47.768
Yeah.

00:30:47.887 --> 00:30:48.667
Very dedicated.

00:30:48.667 --> 00:30:54.758
So, so that, I've also done a ride along with the mental health team, with the Fort Cols pd.

00:30:54.998 --> 00:30:55.057
Okay.

00:30:55.057 --> 00:30:57.577
I think that is an excellent program.

00:30:58.298 --> 00:30:58.897
Um, that's

00:30:59.002 --> 00:31:01.688
like where they send like a counselor along with a cop mm-hmm.

00:31:01.928 --> 00:31:03.067
Or something instead of just a cop.

00:31:03.097 --> 00:31:03.397
Yep.

00:31:03.428 --> 00:31:04.928
So they have a mental health worker.

00:31:05.048 --> 00:31:05.317
Right.

00:31:05.323 --> 00:31:05.442
Talk to

00:31:05.522 --> 00:31:06.188
em instead of just shoot'em.

00:31:06.278 --> 00:31:06.637
Yes.

00:31:06.637 --> 00:31:06.998
Just kidding.

00:31:06.998 --> 00:31:07.448
Exactly.

00:31:08.557 --> 00:31:09.577
We hope they always do that.

00:31:09.823 --> 00:31:12.218
But, but yes.

00:31:12.218 --> 00:31:16.718
And I've actually been along with, you know, the mental health worker and the, the police officer.

00:31:16.718 --> 00:31:18.607
So that is a really good program.

00:31:19.448 --> 00:31:26.528
I think the way they clean up the camps where they go and give notice.

00:31:27.008 --> 00:31:27.097
Right.

00:31:27.097 --> 00:31:30.008
And then they don't just, you know, clean it up and throw it away.

00:31:30.008 --> 00:31:31.238
They, um.

00:31:31.522 --> 00:31:32.482
Store their stuff.

00:31:32.542 --> 00:31:32.692
Oh, really?

00:31:32.692 --> 00:31:33.633
And tell where they can find it.

00:31:33.827 --> 00:31:34.673
You can check it out further.

00:31:34.673 --> 00:31:40.373
It's very compassionate, but it's also not allowing them to trespass, whether they're not, can't have you be here on this person's property.

00:31:40.403 --> 00:31:40.673
Right.

00:31:40.708 --> 00:31:43.522
Or in a park where people want to Yes, yes.

00:31:43.522 --> 00:31:43.762
Whatever.

00:31:43.853 --> 00:31:53.333
So, and then I think even though I'm not a big fan of where they're putting the new shelter, yeah.

00:31:53.722 --> 00:31:55.313
I think it's needed.

00:31:55.373 --> 00:31:59.123
And I think that's gonna, um, that's gonna help a lot.

00:32:00.232 --> 00:32:08.528
What I would like to see them do better is I do think there needs to be stronger consequences for, for criminality.

00:32:08.528 --> 00:32:08.633
For criminality.

00:32:09.587 --> 00:32:09.807
Yes.

00:32:10.252 --> 00:32:13.192
And especially as it affects our.

00:32:14.182 --> 00:32:20.093
Businesses, our old town residents and our North College residents.

00:32:20.123 --> 00:32:24.442
'cause that seems to be, it's a hot bus where people are having the most trouble.

00:32:24.532 --> 00:32:25.313
Well, and sometimes

00:32:25.313 --> 00:32:29.093
I go ride my bike early in the morning on putter trail or things like that.

00:32:29.093 --> 00:32:29.153
Yeah.

00:32:29.157 --> 00:32:31.762
And I'm like, I'm cool.

00:32:31.942 --> 00:32:35.123
But if I was my wife, I would not ride my bike through here Right.

00:32:35.212 --> 00:32:35.903
At this time of day.

00:32:36.022 --> 00:32:36.323
Right.

00:32:36.472 --> 00:32:37.913
Because this is scary a little bit.

00:32:37.972 --> 00:32:38.363
Right.

00:32:38.452 --> 00:32:39.893
It's, yeah.

00:32:39.893 --> 00:32:44.573
And you, you know, and I know that, um, and it'll be interesting.

00:32:44.573 --> 00:32:47.423
I don't know if you've been paying attention to what's going on.

00:32:47.423 --> 00:33:02.512
I'm totally uninformed of what I, I don't believe that if the fed, the federal level where they're, um, the current administration has kind of reinstated where people can.

00:33:03.083 --> 00:33:09.383
Be, you know, placed in an institution if they need serious mental health and Well,

00:33:09.383 --> 00:33:09.593
good.

00:33:09.982 --> 00:33:10.972
Kind of like, yeah,

00:33:11.063 --> 00:33:12.053
I know you don't, you know, we

00:33:12.053 --> 00:33:16.073
had the state hospital in North Dakota, in my hometown in Jamestown, North Dakota.

00:33:16.103 --> 00:33:16.133
Oh,

00:33:16.133 --> 00:33:16.492
okay.

00:33:16.673 --> 00:33:16.792
Yeah.

00:33:16.792 --> 00:33:17.063
And,

00:33:17.063 --> 00:33:21.803
and actually my, my mom's brother was institutionalized for much of his adult life.

00:33:21.833 --> 00:33:21.982
Yeah.

00:33:21.982 --> 00:33:22.073
And

00:33:22.883 --> 00:33:23.603
for good reason.

00:33:23.722 --> 00:33:23.992
Right.

00:33:24.083 --> 00:33:27.982
Because otherwise he would've been one of those people that just decided to go Stab you.

00:33:27.982 --> 00:33:28.553
Stab you

00:33:28.613 --> 00:33:29.002
right.

00:33:29.063 --> 00:33:31.012
On the subway or something, you know?

00:33:31.073 --> 00:33:33.083
Um, and God bless him.

00:33:33.083 --> 00:33:33.863
I hope not, but I know.

00:33:34.343 --> 00:33:47.573
Well, you know, because we need pla we have a friend actually, and I think he's getting help through the VA now, but he would essentially be homeless because he served in the military and he has pretty severe brain damage.

00:33:47.573 --> 00:33:47.633
Yeah.

00:33:47.663 --> 00:33:49.732
And he's never gonna be able to live

00:33:50.303 --> 00:33:50.393
Right.

00:33:50.393 --> 00:33:51.353
Hold a good job on his own Right.

00:33:51.952 --> 00:33:52.643
Anymore.

00:33:53.032 --> 00:33:57.442
And so there, you know, as much as we don't wanna talk about.

00:33:58.298 --> 00:34:00.157
Putting people in a Right.

00:34:00.157 --> 00:34:01.087
Just giving him a social

00:34:01.087 --> 00:34:04.718
security disability check and a little VA pension isn't gonna fix him.

00:34:04.718 --> 00:34:04.807
Right.

00:34:04.807 --> 00:34:08.438
Or make him safe for people to be right there needs to living with or be around

00:34:08.438 --> 00:34:08.447
needs.

00:34:08.447 --> 00:34:08.572
Yeah.

00:34:08.572 --> 00:34:11.858
There needs to be a place to go for these people to get help.

00:34:11.887 --> 00:34:12.697
And sitting in front of the

00:34:12.697 --> 00:34:15.248
Aggie Theater is not a great place for him either.

00:34:15.277 --> 00:34:15.577
Right.

00:34:15.637 --> 00:34:16.268
Less good.

00:34:16.327 --> 00:34:17.168
It's not helping.

00:34:17.347 --> 00:34:17.588
Right.

00:34:17.592 --> 00:34:17.652
Yeah.

00:34:17.887 --> 00:34:18.217
Yeah.

00:34:18.217 --> 00:34:18.637
Interesting.

00:34:18.878 --> 00:34:20.347
Okay, so intriguing.

00:34:20.498 --> 00:34:20.827
Thank you.

00:34:21.577 --> 00:34:23.168
Seems like you're very thoughtful on topic.

00:34:23.467 --> 00:34:27.998
Oh, well, uh, what, what, uh, is there big changes that you would make then?

00:34:27.998 --> 00:34:29.733
I guess just mostly around, another,

00:34:29.733 --> 00:34:48.038
another one I forgot about is, um, yes, the stronger consequences for criminal behavior, but also too, um, every person I've talked to that works with the unhoused population says, do not give them cash across the board.

00:34:48.248 --> 00:34:52.208
I don't care who you talk to that works in that space, says, do not give them cash.

00:34:52.418 --> 00:34:52.478
Yeah.

00:34:52.657 --> 00:34:54.097
Show them where to get services.

00:34:55.112 --> 00:34:56.797
Give them a sandwich or buy them a meal.

00:34:56.947 --> 00:34:57.818
Yeah, exactly.

00:34:58.597 --> 00:35:14.543
And so I think, I can't remember if it's out in Johnstown or somewhere, but I can't remember where I saw this, but there's very kind signs that says, that talks about not giving cash to the unhoused.

00:35:14.782 --> 00:35:14.943
Interesting.

00:35:15.128 --> 00:35:19.387
So I feel like the city can do things like that in, in a, like

00:35:19.387 --> 00:35:20.527
even education around that.

00:35:20.527 --> 00:35:20.887
Yes.

00:35:20.887 --> 00:35:21.277
Education.

00:35:21.277 --> 00:35:21.967
Well, and education

00:35:21.967 --> 00:35:23.557
is, is your thing.

00:35:23.557 --> 00:35:24.072
I, I, right.

00:35:24.188 --> 00:35:40.358
I wanted to come back to you, you said, as part of your introduction, I, I launched a few initiatives or something like that and education space, but can we touch on that and, and like, especially the first one, tell me about your place in life at the time and, and what did you do?

00:35:40.358 --> 00:35:40.387
Okay.

00:35:40.507 --> 00:35:40.748
Yeah.

00:35:41.228 --> 00:35:42.128
So, because that was kinda

00:35:42.128 --> 00:35:44.378
your first entrepreneurial pop, right?

00:35:44.382 --> 00:35:44.512
Right.

00:35:44.512 --> 00:35:44.632
Yes.

00:35:44.648 --> 00:35:45.307
I suspect,

00:35:45.398 --> 00:35:45.668
yes.

00:35:45.668 --> 00:35:51.577
So we, when we first got married, we lived in Del Rio and, uh.

00:35:52.358 --> 00:35:56.347
We went to church in this little church in this small town.

00:35:57.128 --> 00:35:58.327
Pretty impoverished.

00:35:58.628 --> 00:36:07.027
And the school district was, I, I always hate to narc on schools'cause they're doing the best they can with what they have.

00:36:07.057 --> 00:36:07.117
Yeah.

00:36:07.148 --> 00:36:09.007
But it was, they weren't doing a great job.

00:36:09.007 --> 00:36:11.318
It was impoverished and Yes.

00:36:11.322 --> 00:36:11.947
And they weren't.

00:36:12.338 --> 00:36:16.117
And so, and corrupt, I don't think it was corrupt.

00:36:16.208 --> 00:36:19.568
I think not doing well first of all, it's hard to get teachers to live there and teach.

00:36:19.568 --> 00:36:20.407
Right, right.

00:36:20.407 --> 00:36:20.887
All that.

00:36:20.887 --> 00:36:21.157
Yeah.

00:36:21.338 --> 00:36:34.478
So anyway, uh, I just started a pre-K program for underserved children there so that they could be ready to go to try to kind of take kindergarten, help kids be not such

00:36:34.478 --> 00:36:36.217
a burden on the system when they get to kindergarten.

00:36:36.338 --> 00:36:36.757
Yes.

00:36:36.757 --> 00:36:38.827
And it was, um, tuition free.

00:36:39.007 --> 00:36:39.307
Oh, wow.

00:36:39.342 --> 00:36:41.378
And so I So you just organized a bunch of volunteers?

00:36:41.378 --> 00:36:41.588
Yeah.

00:36:41.648 --> 00:36:41.887
Kind of.

00:36:41.943 --> 00:36:44.347
Or got some grants or our church subsidized it.

00:36:44.347 --> 00:36:44.677
Oh, wow.

00:36:44.708 --> 00:36:45.427
So, yeah.

00:36:45.427 --> 00:36:45.847
Oh, cool.

00:36:45.967 --> 00:36:46.297
Yeah.

00:36:46.387 --> 00:36:46.998
So that was the first.

00:36:47.858 --> 00:36:48.367
First thing,

00:36:48.427 --> 00:36:52.387
and I'm familiar with, uh, a school, you, they're still going here in Fort Collins.

00:36:52.387 --> 00:36:52.447
Yeah.

00:36:52.447 --> 00:36:56.347
'cause a few of my church members put their kids through, uh, yeah.

00:36:56.708 --> 00:36:57.608
Christian Core Academy.

00:36:57.637 --> 00:36:58.148
Yeah.

00:36:58.148 --> 00:36:58.157
Yeah.

00:36:58.208 --> 00:36:58.717
I've been to your

00:36:58.717 --> 00:36:59.648
fundraiser a handful of

00:36:59.827 --> 00:37:00.068
times.

00:37:00.072 --> 00:37:00.612
Yeah, that's right.

00:37:00.668 --> 00:37:00.728
Yeah.

00:37:00.818 --> 00:37:02.768
Um, and so tell me about that.

00:37:02.827 --> 00:37:05.077
Like, what was that initiative about?

00:37:05.108 --> 00:37:13.358
So that initiative was about, um, we, I really wanted kids.

00:37:13.987 --> 00:37:25.688
Um, so my faith is very important to me and I, in our household, we tell our kids love God and love people whenever, every time they went out the door, that's what we said.

00:37:25.717 --> 00:37:25.838
Okay.

00:37:25.838 --> 00:37:27.277
You know, they started rolling their eyes.

00:37:27.277 --> 00:37:27.668
Right.

00:37:27.668 --> 00:37:28.538
Like, yeah.

00:37:29.077 --> 00:37:35.978
And, and to, to love people, you have to have a heart of service.

00:37:36.338 --> 00:37:41.208
And so we, I just started this school because I wanted it to be.

00:37:42.083 --> 00:37:58.043
One highly academic and it is, we use the core knowledge curriculum and I also wanted to teach kids that when you have a faith that is centered around loving God and loving people, that you can't just keep it to yourself.

00:37:58.103 --> 00:37:58.463
Hmm.

00:37:58.552 --> 00:38:02.963
You have to go out and actually put it into practice.

00:38:02.963 --> 00:38:03.172
So

00:38:03.172 --> 00:38:04.882
that's probably the teachers that you hire?

00:38:04.943 --> 00:38:05.213
Yes.

00:38:05.213 --> 00:38:06.358
And the kids that come through.

00:38:06.358 --> 00:38:06.557
Yes.

00:38:06.742 --> 00:38:07.853
Or wanting to be looking for that.

00:38:07.853 --> 00:38:08.182
Yes.

00:38:08.302 --> 00:38:19.643
And it turned out, because it's a, it's kind of a hybrid because the kids only go to school Monday to Thursday from eight to 1215, and then they do all their seat work at home.

00:38:20.242 --> 00:38:23.603
And so the parents still had a big voice Yeah.

00:38:23.603 --> 00:38:24.293
In their kids' lives.

00:38:24.427 --> 00:38:24.717
It's

00:38:24.717 --> 00:38:26.032
not, it's easier than homeschooling.

00:38:26.032 --> 00:38:26.123
Yes.

00:38:26.123 --> 00:38:28.733
But it requires a little bit more of the parents than otherwise, right?

00:38:28.762 --> 00:38:29.092
Yes.

00:38:29.092 --> 00:38:36.052
And we actually ended up attracting a lot of boys because I think it was.

00:38:37.253 --> 00:38:39.443
Uh, easier for boys to sit half a day.

00:38:39.443 --> 00:38:39.503
Yeah.

00:38:39.503 --> 00:38:41.307
Four hours sounds a lot easier than day, right?

00:38:41.458 --> 00:38:41.748
Yeah.

00:38:41.873 --> 00:38:42.293
Right.

00:38:42.293 --> 00:38:52.793
And then we, uh, attracted a lot of people that, um, had adopted kids and their kids just needed to be in a smaller environment.

00:38:52.797 --> 00:38:52.827
Yeah.

00:38:53.032 --> 00:38:53.273
Yeah.

00:38:53.333 --> 00:38:55.913
And so it kind of ended up just being a little,

00:38:56.032 --> 00:38:58.972
it's easier to be loved in a small classroom than it is in a big one.

00:38:58.972 --> 00:38:59.422
Right.

00:38:59.422 --> 00:39:01.702
And the kids didn't fall through the cracks there.

00:39:01.708 --> 00:39:01.947
Yeah.

00:39:01.947 --> 00:39:03.143
And so, yeah.

00:39:03.233 --> 00:39:03.322
Cool.

00:39:03.322 --> 00:39:10.762
So I've since stepped away, um, just because of what I'm doing now, but, um, it's still going, so.

00:39:11.182 --> 00:39:11.393
Yeah.

00:39:11.393 --> 00:39:11.402
Yeah.

00:39:11.402 --> 00:39:11.708
Good for you.

00:39:12.052 --> 00:39:12.233
Yeah.

00:39:12.592 --> 00:39:13.943
Um, next sus.

00:39:14.092 --> 00:39:14.507
Oh yeah.

00:39:14.608 --> 00:39:18.052
Oh wait, I didn't warn you Ava, but you're probably ready, you put that way

00:39:19.222 --> 00:39:19.733
we can interview.

00:39:19.822 --> 00:39:21.443
Oh, Jamaican jerk.

00:39:21.532 --> 00:39:22.733
Oh, Jamaican jerk seasoning.

00:39:22.733 --> 00:39:23.242
And it says hot.

00:39:25.943 --> 00:39:26.663
Don't be scared.

00:39:28.552 --> 00:39:28.733
Okay.

00:39:29.032 --> 00:39:29.483
Let's see.

00:39:30.208 --> 00:39:31.282
Let's see what we gotta good.

00:39:31.552 --> 00:39:33.503
Oh, this one doesn't stick as good, so, okay.

00:39:34.163 --> 00:39:35.302
You're gonna be happy about that.

00:39:35.358 --> 00:39:35.438
Probably.

00:39:35.947 --> 00:39:37.688
Probably, oh no, it doesn't.

00:39:38.797 --> 00:39:39.277
Hmm.

00:39:47.768 --> 00:39:49.023
I didn't get very much, I don't think.

00:39:49.027 --> 00:39:49.088
Yeah.

00:39:49.088 --> 00:39:49.358
I'm gonna

00:39:49.358 --> 00:39:49.838
do this.

00:39:55.507 --> 00:39:55.958
Oh, there you go.

00:39:55.958 --> 00:39:56.617
That was smarter.

00:39:57.398 --> 00:39:58.237
Oh, that's a lot.

00:40:00.398 --> 00:40:00.907
Let's try that.

00:40:01.148 --> 00:40:02.018
I do like the flavor, though.

00:40:02.018 --> 00:40:02.797
It's very nice.

00:40:02.827 --> 00:40:03.068
Yeah.

00:40:03.668 --> 00:40:05.708
This is a, a, a step down on heat though.

00:40:05.708 --> 00:40:07.327
Definitely from the last couple.

00:40:08.467 --> 00:40:08.737
Hmm.

00:40:10.088 --> 00:40:10.717
It's authentic.

00:40:10.927 --> 00:40:13.688
It tastes like what Jamaican jerk season is supposed to taste like.

00:40:14.242 --> 00:40:15.097
That's really good on

00:40:15.137 --> 00:40:16.402
a, on a chicken thigh.

00:40:16.762 --> 00:40:16.822
Yeah.

00:40:16.972 --> 00:40:20.842
Uh, slow smoked at like two 40 on the, on the pellet grill.

00:40:20.873 --> 00:40:21.083
Yeah.

00:40:21.143 --> 00:40:21.353
Mm.

00:40:21.532 --> 00:40:21.983
That'd be great.

00:40:22.043 --> 00:40:22.822
I like that.

00:40:22.822 --> 00:40:25.103
And I, I can taste the salt too.

00:40:25.103 --> 00:40:26.362
I, I'm a salty person, so.

00:40:26.722 --> 00:40:27.382
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:27.382 --> 00:40:27.742
It does.

00:40:27.748 --> 00:40:29.452
It, it has a nice seasoning mix.

00:40:29.452 --> 00:40:31.282
It's not just spice.

00:40:31.282 --> 00:40:31.762
There's a lot.

00:40:32.242 --> 00:40:32.512
Yeah.

00:40:32.722 --> 00:40:33.023
Fun.

00:40:33.472 --> 00:40:33.742
Thanks.

00:40:33.742 --> 00:40:34.402
Good job, Sean.

00:40:34.733 --> 00:40:36.443
I assume that's an old town Spice Shop one.

00:40:36.443 --> 00:40:36.682
Mm-hmm.

00:40:37.762 --> 00:40:38.032
Yep.

00:40:40.342 --> 00:40:45.713
So the next question we have here, oh, the grab bag.

00:40:47.362 --> 00:40:53.998
This is the Ping Pong Ball Challenge carried over from our traditional Loco Experience podcast episodes.

00:40:55.418 --> 00:41:02.157
And, but for you and you only, well this whole series, but you can pick three and then I'll let you just choose one question to answer.

00:41:02.268 --> 00:41:02.557
Okay.

00:41:02.588 --> 00:41:02.878
Okay.

00:41:03.112 --> 00:41:05.663
So you're preferred, but just grab all three balls out of there.

00:41:05.722 --> 00:41:05.842
Okay?

00:41:05.873 --> 00:41:05.992
Okay.

00:41:07.628 --> 00:41:07.918
Okay.

00:41:08.588 --> 00:41:08.978
Okay.

00:41:08.983 --> 00:41:09.077
Okay.

00:41:10.657 --> 00:41:14.047
And I'll ask you all three questions and then you can choose which one.

00:41:14.063 --> 00:41:14.353
Okay.

00:41:14.358 --> 00:41:17.498
I might make you ask an answer a second one if I think it's funny enough.

00:41:19.838 --> 00:41:19.987
Okay.

00:41:19.987 --> 00:41:24.518
So you got 12, nine, and 22.

00:41:24.518 --> 00:41:24.728
22.

00:41:25.478 --> 00:41:26.588
So 12.

00:41:27.277 --> 00:41:31.237
What's the best piece of advice you've ever received about business?

00:41:34.838 --> 00:41:39.188
You're like, I, nobody's really giving me business advice, but in education and government.

00:41:39.333 --> 00:41:39.623
Yeah.

00:41:39.998 --> 00:41:40.447
Yeah.

00:41:41.047 --> 00:41:42.463
Can we, do we, should we pass that one?

00:41:42.463 --> 00:41:43.538
We move to the next one, so that's

00:41:43.538 --> 00:41:43.717
fine.

00:41:45.007 --> 00:41:45.547
Nine.

00:41:45.547 --> 00:41:48.847
What's the strangest way you've ever injured yourself?

00:41:50.918 --> 00:41:51.847
Strangest way.

00:41:51.847 --> 00:41:54.367
I've heard, I'm really careful.

00:41:54.367 --> 00:41:55.418
I don't injure yourself.

00:41:55.418 --> 00:41:56.137
Very Never.

00:41:57.038 --> 00:41:57.907
Not really.

00:41:57.938 --> 00:41:58.088
No

00:41:58.088 --> 00:41:59.228
broken bones.

00:41:59.228 --> 00:41:59.257
I,

00:42:00.217 --> 00:42:00.427
yeah.

00:42:00.427 --> 00:42:01.327
Don't, don't

00:42:01.327 --> 00:42:01.717
jinx

00:42:01.717 --> 00:42:01.927
me,

00:42:01.987 --> 00:42:02.108
please.

00:42:02.108 --> 00:42:02.197
No

00:42:02.197 --> 00:42:04.208
black eyes, no, no nothing.

00:42:04.268 --> 00:42:04.597
Oh man.

00:42:04.597 --> 00:42:04.807
I.

00:42:06.068 --> 00:42:06.577
Okay.

00:42:06.668 --> 00:42:07.177
Well

00:42:07.177 --> 00:42:17.137
this one is kind of weird, but one night my husband, he turned over and he accidentally kicked my, uh, top of my foot.

00:42:17.407 --> 00:42:17.438
Oh.

00:42:18.068 --> 00:42:20.922
And it dislocated one of those little bones on.

00:42:22.643 --> 00:42:23.922
I was so mad at him.

00:42:23.992 --> 00:42:25.682
He's like, I didn't mean to I, and did

00:42:25.722 --> 00:42:26.603
you have to get a cast or something?

00:42:26.862 --> 00:42:27.083
No.

00:42:27.083 --> 00:42:28.963
But you just hurt for a month or something?

00:42:28.963 --> 00:42:29.242
No, it just

00:42:29.242 --> 00:42:33.097
hurt and we just kind of massaged it back into place.

00:42:34.507 --> 00:42:35.077
Interesting.

00:42:35.077 --> 00:42:35.947
It was so random.

00:42:35.947 --> 00:42:36.007
Huh?

00:42:37.117 --> 00:42:39.757
That is a, that's very scary.

00:42:39.818 --> 00:42:40.563
Yes, I know.

00:42:40.742 --> 00:42:42.367
I'm like, I, I'm not that fragile.

00:42:42.367 --> 00:42:46.358
High, uh, 22.

00:42:47.047 --> 00:42:48.188
Oh, you didn't have to answer that one.

00:42:48.188 --> 00:42:49.202
Oh, you could have passed it, I guess.

00:42:49.262 --> 00:42:49.603
Oh, yeah.

00:42:49.603 --> 00:42:50.163
I could have passed it.

00:42:50.288 --> 00:42:54.068
If you could live anywhere for three months, a year, where would it be and why?

00:42:54.697 --> 00:42:55.387
Oh my gosh.

00:42:57.248 --> 00:42:57.277
I,

00:42:57.307 --> 00:42:58.597
we'll just give you the pass option.

00:42:58.597 --> 00:42:58.657
Yeah.

00:42:58.657 --> 00:42:59.677
You don't have to pass.

00:43:00.157 --> 00:43:01.507
Oh, well I can answer that.

00:43:01.507 --> 00:43:01.862
Yeah, you should.

00:43:02.617 --> 00:43:03.188
I think you'll like to answer this

00:43:03.188 --> 00:43:03.367
one.

00:43:03.458 --> 00:43:07.148
I have lots of places to live, um, that I wanna live.

00:43:07.538 --> 00:43:13.777
I love Mexico, so I would live at the beach in Mexico.

00:43:14.768 --> 00:43:19.387
I would also love to live in Italy for three months.

00:43:19.387 --> 00:43:21.757
My wife and I are hosting an exchange student from Italy right now.

00:43:21.847 --> 00:43:22.148
Oh, nice.

00:43:22.177 --> 00:43:22.987
From Ravenna.

00:43:23.108 --> 00:43:23.288
Okay.

00:43:23.318 --> 00:43:25.208
Uh, and we hosted her brother three years ago.

00:43:25.237 --> 00:43:25.358
Oh, nice.

00:43:25.358 --> 00:43:28.418
So we definitely think we have a place in the beach to stay in the future.

00:43:28.418 --> 00:43:28.478
Yeah.

00:43:28.478 --> 00:43:30.217
Because the folks have such a place, right.

00:43:31.898 --> 00:43:32.983
That's not why you're doing it, right.

00:43:33.338 --> 00:43:37.478
No, but it is why we chose Italy instead of Finland.

00:43:37.538 --> 00:43:38.108
Yeah, no, just kidding.

00:43:38.108 --> 00:43:38.197
Right.

00:43:40.148 --> 00:43:47.588
Um, I actually wanted to ask you a question that you wouldn't be expecting, but there was, uh, like a state of the.

00:43:48.023 --> 00:43:53.063
City kind of thing up at the Budweiser Event Center, like maybe two summers ago or something.

00:43:53.063 --> 00:43:55.253
And you said something completely awkward.

00:43:55.253 --> 00:43:55.818
It wasn't the state of the city.

00:43:55.838 --> 00:43:56.177
It was,

00:43:56.318 --> 00:43:56.898
it was a chamber.

00:43:56.898 --> 00:43:56.918
It was,

00:43:57.293 --> 00:43:57.503
yeah.

00:43:57.503 --> 00:44:00.382
The chambers celebration of business kind of thing.

00:44:00.387 --> 00:44:00.983
Yes, yes.

00:44:00.983 --> 00:44:02.242
Do you remember what you said?

00:44:02.242 --> 00:44:03.018
I do remember what I said.

00:44:03.833 --> 00:44:04.463
Are you, you, thank you for bringing that out.

00:44:04.463 --> 00:44:05.483
Willing to share that story.

00:44:05.512 --> 00:44:06.802
'cause I thought it was so funny.

00:44:06.802 --> 00:44:06.922
Oh my

00:44:06.922 --> 00:44:07.313
gosh.

00:44:07.373 --> 00:44:07.733
Okay.

00:44:08.032 --> 00:44:12.532
So first of all, I have to say, I'm usually very careful about what I say.

00:44:13.612 --> 00:44:17.123
My husband on the other hand is not, but sometimes he rubs off on me.

00:44:17.512 --> 00:44:23.932
And so I was, I was speaking and I didn't even have anything to drink, right?

00:44:23.932 --> 00:44:26.333
Like, I was like, I don't know what happened.

00:44:26.663 --> 00:44:36.893
But, um, I think I was channeling my husband for a minute because the lights went off and I just looked over and I'm like, well, there's not a pole here.

00:44:37.523 --> 00:44:38.572
Everybody just

00:44:38.882 --> 00:44:44.092
died and my husband was out there going, what?

00:44:44.092 --> 00:44:44.652
Just what

00:44:46.313 --> 00:44:47.947
You turned a couple shades of and red.

00:44:47.947 --> 00:44:48.097
I know.

00:44:48.612 --> 00:44:50.978
Because that is totally something he would've said.

00:44:51.338 --> 00:44:51.697
Right.

00:44:51.847 --> 00:44:52.958
And I was like, okay.

00:44:53.137 --> 00:44:53.498
Sorry.

00:44:53.588 --> 00:44:54.487
Sorry Anne.

00:44:54.487 --> 00:44:54.788
Sorry.

00:44:56.768 --> 00:44:57.487
It was awesome.

00:44:57.847 --> 00:45:01.777
It was the best part of any of the Chamber events I've been to in recent years.

00:45:01.867 --> 00:45:01.898
I

00:45:01.898 --> 00:45:03.157
know people still remember that.

00:45:03.157 --> 00:45:04.177
And remind me of that.

00:45:06.038 --> 00:45:08.737
Um, I think that was the question we have already.

00:45:08.858 --> 00:45:08.947
Yeah.

00:45:08.947 --> 00:45:09.878
We did the grab bag.

00:45:10.268 --> 00:45:11.947
So now it's time for the next

00:45:12.518 --> 00:45:12.547
Okay.

00:45:12.547 --> 00:45:13.057
Flavor.

00:45:15.547 --> 00:45:16.717
Oh, Matador.

00:45:16.717 --> 00:45:17.768
The red.

00:45:17.918 --> 00:45:18.518
The red.

00:45:18.608 --> 00:45:18.757
Yes.

00:45:19.057 --> 00:45:19.538
Okay.

00:45:19.568 --> 00:45:20.827
Very nice label.

00:45:20.918 --> 00:45:21.577
It's very pretty.

00:45:23.737 --> 00:45:25.628
This is probably gonna be a little warmer again.

00:45:25.748 --> 00:45:26.108
Yeah.

00:45:26.318 --> 00:45:26.708
Okay.

00:45:26.827 --> 00:45:27.458
You go first.

00:45:27.458 --> 00:45:28.027
I'll go first.

00:45:28.688 --> 00:45:29.168
There you are.

00:45:33.572 --> 00:45:33.652
Hmm.

00:45:33.657 --> 00:45:33.788
Hmm.

00:45:39.338 --> 00:45:39.697
Okay.

00:45:41.947 --> 00:45:42.547
I don't like that.

00:45:44.023 --> 00:45:44.588
It's okay.

00:45:44.588 --> 00:45:45.217
You don't have to.

00:45:45.788 --> 00:45:47.318
I'm gonna dip again'cause I do like it.

00:45:48.907 --> 00:45:50.108
What don't you like about it?

00:45:50.108 --> 00:45:50.168
I

00:45:51.157 --> 00:45:53.588
don't think I, well, first of all, it's burning my mouth.

00:45:54.518 --> 00:45:55.867
I'm gonna, I'm, you have the milk.

00:45:55.893 --> 00:45:56.467
I'm gonna do the milk.

00:45:56.467 --> 00:45:57.007
Ready for the milk?

00:45:57.097 --> 00:45:57.818
I'm gonna do the milk.

00:45:59.978 --> 00:46:03.157
I think it's too vinegar or something.

00:46:03.427 --> 00:46:03.728
Yeah.

00:46:04.958 --> 00:46:05.947
I could acknowledge that.

00:46:06.157 --> 00:46:07.027
I like vinegar.

00:46:07.057 --> 00:46:07.628
Oh yeah.

00:46:07.958 --> 00:46:08.858
Um, quite a bit.

00:46:09.068 --> 00:46:09.307
Yeah.

00:46:09.907 --> 00:46:11.947
Um, I brew kombucha at home, actually.

00:46:12.068 --> 00:46:12.427
Mm.

00:46:13.057 --> 00:46:15.277
I just basically like vinegar water, if you let it sit long enough.

00:46:15.277 --> 00:46:16.327
I like kombucha.

00:46:16.333 --> 00:46:16.472
Okay.

00:46:16.472 --> 00:46:16.552
But.

00:46:16.898 --> 00:46:19.237
Uh, yeah, that one's a little strong.

00:46:19.237 --> 00:46:19.538
Well, except

00:46:19.538 --> 00:46:20.347
for it's too expensive.

00:46:20.347 --> 00:46:21.967
It costs as much as beer to buy it.

00:46:21.967 --> 00:46:22.057
Right.

00:46:22.057 --> 00:46:23.137
So that's why I brew it at home.

00:46:23.273 --> 00:46:23.773
Oh, yeah.

00:46:23.773 --> 00:46:25.538
I wish it was easier to brew beer at home too.

00:46:25.748 --> 00:46:26.108
Right.

00:46:27.068 --> 00:46:27.697
Although I'm not a beer.

00:46:27.697 --> 00:46:28.693
Maybe I could, I don't know.

00:46:29.853 --> 00:46:32.887
I I would feel guilty brewing beer at home.

00:46:32.978 --> 00:46:33.788
I mean, not really.

00:46:33.847 --> 00:46:34.148
Right.

00:46:34.268 --> 00:46:35.797
Because you're not supporting local business

00:46:35.947 --> 00:46:36.277
kind of.

00:46:36.282 --> 00:46:39.637
And I would know that, like, I'm definitely drinking way too much beer.

00:46:39.637 --> 00:46:39.668
Oh

00:46:40.027 --> 00:46:40.268
yeah.

00:46:40.268 --> 00:46:41.318
There's that, like, this way I

00:46:41.318 --> 00:46:45.967
could keep kind of a loose record that counts and what I do drink beer in supporting local business.

00:46:46.657 --> 00:46:46.717
Yeah.

00:46:46.717 --> 00:46:46.898
Hmm.

00:46:46.987 --> 00:46:47.467
That's nice.

00:46:47.532 --> 00:46:50.588
I I actually think I, I mean, it's not one of my top three.

00:46:50.947 --> 00:46:51.038
Yeah.

00:46:51.038 --> 00:46:53.407
But the red is something that I would put in my Yeah.

00:46:53.467 --> 00:46:54.277
Cabinet and use it.

00:46:54.277 --> 00:46:56.288
It would be actually really nice in a Bloody Mary.

00:46:56.288 --> 00:46:56.318
Oh

00:46:58.148 --> 00:46:58.358
yeah.

00:46:58.358 --> 00:46:59.827
I think my husband would like that one.

00:47:00.637 --> 00:47:00.878
Yeah.

00:47:01.807 --> 00:47:04.958
So the community hot topic question.

00:47:06.608 --> 00:47:13.088
How can the city of Fort Collins maintain financial strength in light of declining sales tax collection trends?

00:47:13.807 --> 00:47:24.128
What mix of cost cutting and revenue enhancement strategies do you envision as being important to maintain these, the fiscal health and or bring more sales tax back.

00:47:24.128 --> 00:47:24.728
Right, right,

00:47:25.057 --> 00:47:25.358
right.

00:47:25.447 --> 00:47:25.748
Yeah.

00:47:25.898 --> 00:47:34.958
Well then I think it goes back to, sorry, I think it goes back to what we were talking about is the healthy business community.

00:47:35.047 --> 00:47:35.257
Yeah.

00:47:35.347 --> 00:47:35.498
Right.

00:47:35.498 --> 00:47:35.827
I think we should

00:47:35.827 --> 00:47:37.628
just jail people for shopping on Amazon.

00:47:38.168 --> 00:47:38.737
Okay.

00:47:40.418 --> 00:47:45.007
I mean, it would, it would do a lot, it would make a lot of impact on sales tax collections.

00:47:45.818 --> 00:47:45.878
Yeah.

00:47:45.878 --> 00:47:45.938
Wow.

00:47:45.938 --> 00:47:47.077
Anyway, I didn't I cut you off?

00:47:47.077 --> 00:47:47.543
That was No,

00:47:47.563 --> 00:47:47.782
no.

00:47:47.822 --> 00:47:50.288
I was thinking, well, I, I kind of like my Amazon

00:47:52.657 --> 00:47:54.157
always shop local first, but I

00:47:54.157 --> 00:47:55.358
do shop local.

00:47:55.717 --> 00:48:02.617
Um, but yes, it goes back to creating that healthy, um, business environment.

00:48:03.038 --> 00:48:10.117
And I wanted to, I was gonna say this, the business question earlier, but I don't know if you had a chance to look at the.

00:48:10.523 --> 00:48:12.413
Survey, the community survey.

00:48:12.802 --> 00:48:13.103
I didn't, no.

00:48:13.103 --> 00:48:13.733
It just came out.

00:48:13.793 --> 00:48:16.072
And so the,

00:48:16.222 --> 00:48:17.483
oh, I think I did, I think I took it.

00:48:18.233 --> 00:48:19.432
Oh yeah.

00:48:19.733 --> 00:48:20.902
The results just came out though.

00:48:20.932 --> 00:48:21.922
Yeah, they just came out.

00:48:21.927 --> 00:48:22.047
Okay, cool.

00:48:22.068 --> 00:48:22.552
So yeah,

00:48:22.913 --> 00:48:45.652
so the, the city's performance from very good or good, encouraging a variety of businesses, it's was 51%, and that was up from last year, but it was way down from 10 years ago, attracting new businesses, 42% was good or very good, again, up from two years, but way down from 10 years ago.

00:48:45.652 --> 00:48:53.813
But retaining existing businesses, the city's 32% said that the city was doing good or very good.

00:48:54.233 --> 00:48:57.742
And that is way down from two years ago and 10 years ago.

00:48:57.748 --> 00:48:57.768
Yeah.

00:48:57.768 --> 00:48:58.407
So like over half said

00:48:58.668 --> 00:48:59.168
not so good.

00:48:59.512 --> 00:48:59.753
Yeah.

00:48:59.753 --> 00:49:00.538
Neutral or not good.

00:49:00.538 --> 00:49:00.563
Right,

00:49:00.922 --> 00:49:01.313
right.

00:49:01.373 --> 00:49:02.782
So, yeah.

00:49:02.813 --> 00:49:09.713
So again, we, we have, so to get our budget under control, we, we need to have a strong tax base.

00:49:10.612 --> 00:49:12.413
And that's a healthy business community.

00:49:13.043 --> 00:49:17.123
Also, you know, government is just the nature of government.

00:49:17.213 --> 00:49:21.233
It over time becomes notoriously inefficient.

00:49:21.682 --> 00:49:29.932
And I know that we pass all these things and one, a lot of times we don't have metrics around what success is and we don't measure

00:49:29.932 --> 00:49:30.652
what it's supposed to do.

00:49:30.657 --> 00:49:30.987
Right.

00:49:31.012 --> 00:49:31.282
Right.

00:49:31.432 --> 00:49:33.233
Like California's homelessness thing too.

00:49:33.233 --> 00:49:33.503
Right?

00:49:33.503 --> 00:49:36.353
It's like, oh, we spent$40 billion.

00:49:36.353 --> 00:49:36.443
Yes.

00:49:36.503 --> 00:49:38.302
But we didn't really track outcomes, so.

00:49:38.512 --> 00:49:38.873
Right.

00:49:38.902 --> 00:49:39.532
Couldn't tell you.

00:49:39.682 --> 00:49:41.422
Right, exactly.

00:49:41.842 --> 00:49:45.922
So anything we, I don't think we track things very well.

00:49:46.342 --> 00:49:52.672
And also I don't think we ever go back and if something's not working, get rid of it.

00:49:52.913 --> 00:49:53.273
Right.

00:49:53.273 --> 00:49:53.543
Right.

00:49:53.603 --> 00:49:53.963
Like,

00:49:53.967 --> 00:49:54.382
right, right.

00:49:54.443 --> 00:49:59.483
And so I think there needs to be the efficiency component of that.

00:49:59.842 --> 00:50:03.322
And then I think there has to be an overreach and philosophy of.

00:50:04.932 --> 00:50:18.202
I'm responsible for the taxpayer's money and I need to spend it in a way that one takes care of our core services, two takes care of our community amenities.

00:50:18.592 --> 00:50:23.632
And then three takes care of people, right?

00:50:23.992 --> 00:50:30.983
Because the city, at the end of the day, the city's job is to keep the lights on, to keep the infrastructure in good shape, keep the parks,

00:50:31.132 --> 00:50:33.472
make the electricity affordable ish, whatever, right?

00:50:33.652 --> 00:50:34.043
Yes.

00:50:34.043 --> 00:50:43.253
And so, and then,'cause I think we've gotten away from that a little, not a little bit, a lot of just chasing the next shiny new thing, right?

00:50:43.432 --> 00:50:45.172
We're gonna be the greenest city in the west.

00:50:45.172 --> 00:50:45.682
Right?

00:50:45.922 --> 00:50:46.373
Right.

00:50:46.432 --> 00:50:54.532
Well, is that really worth all this effort or is it just a for a little badge on my greatest city in the west Right thing.

00:50:54.532 --> 00:50:56.543
And it doesn't make most people's lives any better.

00:50:56.632 --> 00:50:57.413
Exactly.

00:50:57.713 --> 00:50:58.163
And.

00:50:58.733 --> 00:51:02.422
You have to ask yourself the question, how good is good enough?

00:51:02.632 --> 00:51:03.023
Right?

00:51:03.143 --> 00:51:07.853
Like, you can keep spending money on we do things right, is what you were saying.

00:51:07.853 --> 00:51:08.092
Yeah.

00:51:08.152 --> 00:51:08.483
Right.

00:51:08.483 --> 00:51:08.693
Yeah.

00:51:08.693 --> 00:51:08.842
But

00:51:08.842 --> 00:51:11.873
that also comes with some level of balance.

00:51:12.322 --> 00:51:12.833
Exactly.

00:51:12.833 --> 00:51:12.952
You know,

00:51:12.952 --> 00:51:14.842
everything taken too far is too much.

00:51:14.842 --> 00:51:15.652
Exactly.

00:51:16.132 --> 00:51:28.193
And then the last piece of that philosophy is we need to spend every expenditure should be for the greatest benefit of the most people.

00:51:28.793 --> 00:51:29.152
Right.

00:51:29.152 --> 00:51:32.572
Like, you, you need to, you, you can't, don't have niche spending.

00:51:32.572 --> 00:51:33.652
Right, right.

00:51:33.983 --> 00:51:34.402
Exactly.

00:51:34.583 --> 00:51:37.702
2 million to the something something.

00:51:38.197 --> 00:51:38.277
Yes.

00:51:38.277 --> 00:51:38.288
Yes.

00:51:38.288 --> 00:51:38.393
Yeah.

00:51:38.722 --> 00:51:39.143
Yeah.

00:51:39.623 --> 00:51:41.572
Um, I'm scared to say what I was gonna say too.

00:51:41.572 --> 00:51:41.663
I know.

00:51:42.623 --> 00:51:43.762
Thank you for backing outta that.

00:51:43.853 --> 00:51:44.483
Well, it is,

00:51:44.782 --> 00:51:48.472
it is, you know, activism.

00:51:48.967 --> 00:51:49.807
Is important.

00:51:49.867 --> 00:51:50.018
Mm-hmm.

00:51:50.378 --> 00:51:56.467
And like on a pro ratta basis, I mean some of the, the doji stuff exposed and stuff is like,

00:51:56.557 --> 00:51:56.708
yeah,

00:51:57.068 --> 00:52:05.708
oh we got, you know, we sent 23 million to Somalia to do A-L-G-B-T-Q play.

00:52:06.757 --> 00:52:06.967
Right.

00:52:06.998 --> 00:52:07.838
Maybe not that, but

00:52:07.898 --> 00:52:08.842
Well no, but, but

00:52:08.918 --> 00:52:10.478
some of the stuff was pretty still.

00:52:10.478 --> 00:52:10.568
Right.

00:52:10.807 --> 00:52:15.577
The philosophy has to be that it needs to benefit, but a lot of people that are actually been

00:52:15.577 --> 00:52:16.418
impacted by it.

00:52:16.478 --> 00:52:16.807
Right.

00:52:16.898 --> 00:52:17.168
Alright.

00:52:17.228 --> 00:52:17.318
Fair.

00:52:17.318 --> 00:52:20.228
And the people that are actually paying taxes.

00:52:20.588 --> 00:52:21.277
How about like parks

00:52:21.277 --> 00:52:22.478
and open spaces and stuff?

00:52:22.478 --> 00:52:24.938
Do you feel good about the city's level of investment there?

00:52:24.938 --> 00:52:31.867
'cause they, their history has been kind of build it then, then the money to maintain it down the road will come from somewhere.

00:52:31.927 --> 00:52:32.318
Yes.

00:52:32.438 --> 00:52:35.378
And I don't like that.

00:52:36.083 --> 00:52:37.853
I would encourage you'd have

00:52:37.853 --> 00:52:41.333
fewer parks, but better maintained, or at least not so many.

00:52:41.333 --> 00:52:41.632
Well, first of

00:52:41.632 --> 00:52:43.552
all, I would stop building parks right now,

00:52:43.702 --> 00:52:44.362
at least for the moment.

00:52:44.362 --> 00:52:44.753
Right.

00:52:44.753 --> 00:52:46.313
Until we get this under control.

00:52:46.402 --> 00:52:46.463
Yeah.

00:52:46.463 --> 00:52:46.853
Right.

00:52:46.853 --> 00:52:54.353
Until we figure out how, and it, it is better since that, um, quarter, was it quarter cents sales tax that for parks?

00:52:54.353 --> 00:52:54.413
Yeah.

00:52:54.413 --> 00:52:54.503
But

00:52:54.503 --> 00:52:55.943
that's just making business harder too.

00:52:55.972 --> 00:52:57.532
You know, every quarter sent sales text.

00:52:57.538 --> 00:52:57.697
Right.

00:52:57.757 --> 00:53:00.052
You know, you just make it a little harder to sell anything.

00:53:00.083 --> 00:53:00.472
Yes.

00:53:00.833 --> 00:53:01.882
Instead of going to Amazon.

00:53:03.577 --> 00:53:04.657
I knew I shouldn't have said that.

00:53:07.432 --> 00:53:08.663
I don't go to Amazon that much.

00:53:09.128 --> 00:53:09.538
It's cool.

00:53:09.538 --> 00:53:09.563
It's cool.

00:53:10.313 --> 00:53:17.572
Um, but yes, and so I'm like, why do we keep building parks when we can't figure out how to maintain the ones?

00:53:17.918 --> 00:53:18.818
That we already have.

00:53:18.967 --> 00:53:19.117
Yeah.

00:53:19.387 --> 00:53:20.467
And so you're right.

00:53:20.467 --> 00:53:26.978
I think we need to stop and say, how are we going to maintain these to a level that Right.

00:53:27.038 --> 00:53:27.577
Safety.

00:53:27.637 --> 00:53:28.027
Like what if

00:53:28.027 --> 00:53:30.998
online shopping becomes even more worse?

00:53:31.057 --> 00:53:31.268
Yeah.

00:53:31.268 --> 00:53:31.277
Yeah.

00:53:31.507 --> 00:53:36.063
Well, I just wanna say, you do know that we get sales tax from online shopping?

00:53:36.458 --> 00:53:36.697
We do.

00:53:36.757 --> 00:53:37.117
Yes.

00:53:37.117 --> 00:53:37.478
You're right.

00:53:37.612 --> 00:53:37.902
Okay.

00:53:37.902 --> 00:53:38.583
So, um,

00:53:38.722 --> 00:53:39.063
oh yeah.

00:53:39.063 --> 00:53:40.822
So that's, so quit trying to make feel bad.

00:53:40.867 --> 00:53:42.427
That isn't really the driving thing.

00:53:42.458 --> 00:53:42.757
Right?

00:53:42.847 --> 00:53:43.387
It's not,

00:53:43.478 --> 00:53:47.527
so what is like, is it just consumer spending that isn't actually down?

00:53:47.527 --> 00:53:52.688
Well, I think, or people are going, instead, they're going to south somewhere Cool.

00:53:53.228 --> 00:53:53.438
They're going

00:53:53.438 --> 00:53:55.688
south, going to Loveland or something to shop there.

00:53:55.688 --> 00:53:58.478
Or maybe in the future to Martin's new thingy with the waterfalls and the what?

00:53:58.478 --> 00:53:58.983
The hooah.

00:53:59.222 --> 00:54:04.358
cause even if we're, even if we're getting the, the, so Fort Collins

00:54:04.358 --> 00:54:08.378
used to be the only game in town, so we benefited extraordinarily Right.

00:54:08.378 --> 00:54:10.057
From excess shopping almost.

00:54:10.057 --> 00:54:10.148
Right.

00:54:10.148 --> 00:54:11.498
And now we're just kind of getting.

00:54:12.188 --> 00:54:13.327
The what for put to us.

00:54:13.327 --> 00:54:13.657
Right.

00:54:13.807 --> 00:54:14.768
And, and by Costco one,

00:54:15.007 --> 00:54:16.172
Tim N and stuff like that.

00:54:16.447 --> 00:54:23.498
And I also have to point out that when they make a budget, they do a projected sales tax.

00:54:23.588 --> 00:54:23.677
Yeah.

00:54:23.887 --> 00:54:27.668
So they projected that the sales tax would increase 3%.

00:54:27.668 --> 00:54:27.728
Hmm.

00:54:28.057 --> 00:54:30.128
But it's only increasing 1%.

00:54:30.277 --> 00:54:30.338
Hmm.

00:54:30.487 --> 00:54:35.228
So it's not like, I mean, yes, we're losing sales tax, but Yeah.

00:54:35.288 --> 00:54:36.668
It's just a projection to shift

00:54:36.668 --> 00:54:37.447
it back to Amazon.

00:54:37.447 --> 00:54:38.378
'cause it makes you uncomfortable.

00:54:38.527 --> 00:54:43.568
They don't pay any, well, they do a little bit on that PR property They build, but they other other stuff they don't pay though.

00:54:43.568 --> 00:54:46.597
You know, they don't, they're not, they don't, they haven't donated money to youth sports.

00:54:46.597 --> 00:54:46.688
Right.

00:54:46.688 --> 00:54:47.137
They're not,

00:54:47.467 --> 00:54:48.577
or employ people.

00:54:48.668 --> 00:54:49.628
I mean, they employ people.

00:54:50.043 --> 00:54:50.333
Yeah.

00:54:50.672 --> 00:54:52.572
Not, not lot in crappy jobs

00:54:52.572 --> 00:54:53.557
that they don't really want.

00:54:53.563 --> 00:54:53.773
Yeah.

00:54:53.773 --> 00:54:54.052
Yeah.

00:54:54.057 --> 00:54:54.157
Yeah.

00:54:54.277 --> 00:54:57.277
And soon that'll just be robots from Tesla anyway.

00:54:57.282 --> 00:54:57.293
Yeah.

00:54:57.293 --> 00:54:57.813
Or drones.

00:54:58.643 --> 00:54:58.932
Both.

00:54:59.282 --> 00:54:59.572
Both.

00:54:59.827 --> 00:55:00.788
And, all right.

00:55:00.788 --> 00:55:01.538
I think we're ready.

00:55:01.538 --> 00:55:03.068
I've beat this topic up pretty good.

00:55:03.277 --> 00:55:03.697
David.

00:55:04.418 --> 00:55:04.838
Someone looks.

00:55:04.927 --> 00:55:05.708
It's dangerous.

00:55:05.768 --> 00:55:08.777
This one might be a, this one might be a, this.

00:55:08.777 --> 00:55:09.492
The ghost pepper one.

00:55:09.498 --> 00:55:10.327
This is the Ghost Pepper.

00:55:10.327 --> 00:55:10.597
One.

00:55:10.597 --> 00:55:10.927
Ghost Pepper.

00:55:11.257 --> 00:55:13.237
So, uh, this is called, what is it called?

00:55:14.527 --> 00:55:17.137
Oh, sorry, this one because it's a big reach room two 17.

00:55:17.137 --> 00:55:21.577
This is, oh, it's like the room they lock you up in when you lose your marbles.

00:55:21.577 --> 00:55:22.958
'cause this sauce was too hot,

00:55:23.228 --> 00:55:23.527
but, okay.

00:55:25.237 --> 00:55:25.838
Alright.

00:55:26.168 --> 00:55:26.527
You go first.

00:55:26.527 --> 00:55:27.293
All right, I'll go first.

00:55:27.393 --> 00:55:27.632
You go first.

00:55:28.148 --> 00:55:31.418
I'm gonna like hold my emotions so that you can't

00:55:31.688 --> 00:55:32.077
tell

00:55:32.498 --> 00:55:32.918
proceed.

00:55:32.918 --> 00:55:34.958
But I'm taking a nice, oh, this is the last dab.

00:55:34.958 --> 00:55:35.918
So this is the last question.

00:55:35.918 --> 00:55:37.717
So you're supposed to get extra.

00:55:37.958 --> 00:55:40.233
Oh, I don't want to do it.

00:55:44.152 --> 00:55:45.398
Hmm hmm.

00:55:48.217 --> 00:55:48.577
Okay.

00:55:48.998 --> 00:55:49.913
Hmm mm-hmm.

00:55:50.288 --> 00:55:52.057
Not like milk, please.

00:55:52.237 --> 00:55:54.217
No, no.

00:55:54.757 --> 00:55:55.807
Give this to your husband.

00:55:56.693 --> 00:56:00.818
No, I surely you're such a sport.

00:56:00.818 --> 00:56:00.938
I,

00:56:01.177 --> 00:56:01.387
okay.

00:56:01.387 --> 00:56:02.168
That was mean.

00:56:02.168 --> 00:56:03.038
'cause we've jumped from.

00:56:04.538 --> 00:56:06.577
Mild to really hot.

00:56:07.958 --> 00:56:08.797
But you're doing great.

00:56:09.697 --> 00:56:13.318
And I know that the answer, your answer to this question is gonna be like, this is when the tears come.

00:56:13.387 --> 00:56:13.748
I don't know.

00:56:13.748 --> 00:56:19.478
One time I forgot to pay for gas and I forgot what, no, just kidding.

00:56:19.838 --> 00:56:20.978
Your local experience.

00:56:20.978 --> 00:56:29.768
So this is, uh, from me, your last dab, uh, the craziest experience of your lifetime that you're willing to share with our listeners.

00:56:29.768 --> 00:56:33.938
And Yes, I'm sweating heavily at this point.

00:56:34.088 --> 00:56:34.447
I can't

00:56:34.447 --> 00:56:35.018
even talk,

00:56:35.882 --> 00:56:42.608
so, so it could be, you know, just a moment, you know, starting a couple of education initiatives is pretty cool.

00:56:43.148 --> 00:56:45.487
Um, could be a, a season of life.

00:56:45.487 --> 00:56:48.217
I, did you ever go to Peace Corps or No.

00:56:48.217 --> 00:56:52.987
You know, leave your husband for just a weekend for a wild girls trip to Vegas.

00:56:52.987 --> 00:56:52.998
Mm-hmm.

00:56:54.487 --> 00:56:58.027
Some of those, but I wanna, I wanna go back to Cam, the Ram.

00:56:58.568 --> 00:56:59.047
Okay.

00:56:59.047 --> 00:57:01.628
'cause having Cam the ram at our house was a wild ride.

00:57:02.018 --> 00:57:02.407
Okay.

00:57:02.527 --> 00:57:02.827
Yeah.

00:57:03.217 --> 00:57:04.418
Are you talking about the actual ram?

00:57:04.418 --> 00:57:06.362
Yeah, the live, the live mascot.

00:57:06.362 --> 00:57:06.373
Okay.

00:57:06.373 --> 00:57:06.608
I was thinking

00:57:06.608 --> 00:57:09.668
the ma the, the, like the kid that plays that mascot.

00:57:09.728 --> 00:57:11.018
Oh, so you hosted Yeah.

00:57:11.023 --> 00:57:11.242
Yeah.

00:57:11.242 --> 00:57:13.148
Like you were an exchange student Kind of

00:57:13.268 --> 00:57:14.827
because my husband was the

00:57:15.068 --> 00:57:16.597
Yeah, you want a freshman s Oh my gosh, I

00:57:17.347 --> 00:57:18.307
can't even talk.

00:57:18.967 --> 00:57:19.538
That's the point.

00:57:19.568 --> 00:57:21.458
Uh, all right.

00:57:21.458 --> 00:57:22.418
That was just mean

00:57:24.007 --> 00:57:26.617
and that is, uh, old Town Spice Shop back again right now.

00:57:26.623 --> 00:57:26.722
Yeah.

00:57:26.827 --> 00:57:27.068
Yeah.

00:57:27.068 --> 00:57:29.257
Sean, that was mean, but I'm gonna dip again.

00:57:30.697 --> 00:57:31.628
Do you wanna dip again too?

00:57:31.628 --> 00:57:32.887
There a couple of nuggets left

00:57:32.893 --> 00:57:33.123
Uhuh

00:57:35.648 --> 00:57:37.628
I wanna see I can get before you done answering this question.

00:57:37.657 --> 00:57:38.047
Okay.

00:57:38.378 --> 00:57:45.487
So for about, I think it was about 12 years, my husband was the faculty advisor for Cam the Ram.

00:57:46.297 --> 00:57:54.833
And we have so many funny stories, starting with when my youngest was four and my husband wasn't paying attention and.

00:57:55.402 --> 00:58:01.583
And Cam hit him from behind and just like launched him across our, our launch.

00:58:03.202 --> 00:58:06.983
So my, my 4-year-old at the time was scarred for the rest of his life.

00:58:06.983 --> 00:58:09.472
He still hates Cam and he went to see you Boulder.

00:58:09.532 --> 00:58:10.612
'cause he hates Cam so much.

00:58:10.702 --> 00:58:11.092
Oh wow.

00:58:12.862 --> 00:58:18.623
And then there was a time that my husband decided to breed

00:58:19.132 --> 00:58:19.552
Okay.

00:58:19.702 --> 00:58:21.023
Uh, u Yeah, yeah.

00:58:21.052 --> 00:58:22.972
And, and have baby cams.

00:58:23.092 --> 00:58:26.362
And so they ended up with three, uh, lambs.

00:58:26.362 --> 00:58:26.512
Oh wow.

00:58:26.512 --> 00:58:27.202
Or from one

00:58:27.202 --> 00:58:28.612
U, which is unusual, right.

00:58:28.612 --> 00:58:29.842
Triples actually two u's.

00:58:29.932 --> 00:58:30.083
Okay.

00:58:30.083 --> 00:58:31.882
So it was Oh, twins and a single.

00:58:33.382 --> 00:58:35.092
And so, oh my gosh.

00:58:35.152 --> 00:58:37.943
The CSU world went crazy.

00:58:38.632 --> 00:58:42.112
They, they had contests on naming the babies.

00:58:42.112 --> 00:58:47.722
They had like nine news at our house doing interviews over lambs.

00:58:47.722 --> 00:58:47.902
Right.

00:58:47.902 --> 00:58:48.262
Interesting.

00:58:48.713 --> 00:58:49.492
And it was really funny.

00:58:49.552 --> 00:58:53.333
And then there was a time that.

00:58:53.887 --> 00:58:58.657
Because we say in our household that sheep are born looking for a place to die.

00:58:58.838 --> 00:59:02.793
'cause they will literally wake up one day, they're that stupid kinda and say, I'm gonna die today.

00:59:02.793 --> 00:59:03.072
Oh really?

00:59:03.217 --> 00:59:03.668
They do.

00:59:03.728 --> 00:59:04.507
They seriously do.

00:59:04.507 --> 00:59:05.083
And so well I've just

00:59:05.083 --> 00:59:07.057
seen'em jump into a bunch of holes and dump things like that.

00:59:07.072 --> 00:59:07.248
Yeah, yeah.

00:59:07.248 --> 00:59:09.608
No, but they were literally laid down and just die.

00:59:09.757 --> 00:59:10.117
Oh really?

00:59:10.117 --> 00:59:14.527
And, and this cam was a little bit older, not too old, but he was older.

00:59:14.947 --> 00:59:17.768
And it was the CU CSU football game.

00:59:18.668 --> 00:59:22.958
And this ram decides to die on the day of the football game.

00:59:23.108 --> 00:59:23.407
Oh dang.

00:59:23.527 --> 00:59:23.918
Yes.

00:59:24.398 --> 00:59:27.697
And so we had a baby ram in training.

00:59:27.938 --> 00:59:28.327
Right?

00:59:28.327 --> 00:59:28.717
Yeah.

00:59:28.777 --> 00:59:29.612
And so the kids, but that was the

00:59:29.612 --> 00:59:30.697
point of breeding it, maybe even.

00:59:30.697 --> 00:59:30.967
Right?

00:59:31.027 --> 00:59:31.387
Right.

00:59:31.387 --> 00:59:32.527
So we had one up and coming.

00:59:33.007 --> 00:59:40.777
And so we were already in Denver and the kids told the, the ram handlers call my husband, the dog's peel.

00:59:41.108 --> 00:59:41.918
The ram's dead.

00:59:42.728 --> 00:59:43.688
What do you want us to do?

00:59:43.688 --> 00:59:43.932
And he's like.

00:59:46.057 --> 00:59:51.068
Don't say a word to anybody and just put the, the baby Ram in the trailer and come to Denver.

00:59:51.518 --> 00:59:55.297
And so we were in Denver for a football game for our son.

00:59:55.327 --> 01:00:04.987
And so then we go to the CSU game and we pull up, and Ralphie's Handler was one of Craig's former students.

01:00:05.108 --> 01:00:06.217
He said, Hey, Dr.

01:00:06.398 --> 01:00:08.168
Bill, I heard the Ram was dead.

01:00:09.248 --> 01:00:10.237
Craig's like, where'd you

01:00:10.237 --> 01:00:10.657
hear that?

01:00:11.168 --> 01:00:13.807
Like, oh, the CSU or the CU Spirit squad.

01:00:13.987 --> 01:00:14.438
Oh shoot.

01:00:15.847 --> 01:00:16.748
So I don't know.

01:00:17.318 --> 01:00:18.552
I don't know how he, news travels fast.

01:00:18.773 --> 01:00:20.047
It does travel fast.

01:00:20.047 --> 01:00:25.748
And Tony Frank was calling my husband and he is like, I don't, he tried to just swap out this little I know.

01:00:26.257 --> 01:00:27.307
So anyway, there was that.

01:00:27.307 --> 01:00:28.657
And then

01:00:28.657 --> 01:00:28.788
what, I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:00:28.788 --> 01:00:29.353
I don't need to interrupt, but.

01:00:30.458 --> 01:00:33.068
Was your husband like a sheep expert or something like that?

01:00:33.068 --> 01:00:35.467
Well, he Is that why he was in this role?

01:00:35.467 --> 01:00:36.697
Like, did he have another job too?

01:00:36.697 --> 01:00:37.688
Or he just took care of this sheep?

01:00:37.688 --> 01:00:38.737
No, he was a professor at c.

01:00:38.742 --> 01:00:38.842
C.

01:00:38.947 --> 01:00:39.157
Okay, good.

01:00:39.217 --> 01:00:39.487
Right.

01:00:39.487 --> 01:00:40.358
So it seemed like a big job.

01:00:40.358 --> 01:00:40.538
Yeah.

01:00:40.568 --> 01:00:40.717
So

01:00:40.717 --> 01:00:46.568
he was a faculty advisor and he got that because he used to be a county agent in Okay.

01:00:46.568 --> 01:00:47.557
When we lived in Del Rio.

01:00:47.557 --> 01:00:47.677
Like

01:00:47.677 --> 01:00:48.847
an extension office almost.

01:00:48.847 --> 01:00:48.938
Yes.

01:00:48.938 --> 01:00:50.922
And they, he was, he's just smart about everything guy, guys.

01:00:50.922 --> 01:00:51.202
Yeah, they,

01:00:51.208 --> 01:00:54.018
well, and they had, um, it's big sheep country down there.

01:00:54.018 --> 01:00:54.443
Gotcha, gotcha.

01:00:54.443 --> 01:00:57.217
So he does actually know a lot about cattle, sheep, and everything.

01:00:57.217 --> 01:00:57.407
Gotcha, gotcha.

01:00:57.458 --> 01:00:58.807
Anyway, come back to where you Yeah.

01:00:59.168 --> 01:00:59.768
Jumped off.

01:00:59.768 --> 01:01:01.507
So, so anyway, that was funny.

01:01:01.507 --> 01:01:08.347
And then not so funny, I think the last year we actually had cam at our house, at our barn.

01:01:08.918 --> 01:01:09.367
Our barn.

01:01:09.367 --> 01:01:09.577
This is the

01:01:09.577 --> 01:01:10.478
cam number two.

01:01:10.507 --> 01:01:10.867
Yes.

01:01:10.927 --> 01:01:11.257
I guess.

01:01:11.257 --> 01:01:11.648
Yes.

01:01:11.677 --> 01:01:12.188
The replacement.

01:01:12.188 --> 01:01:12.398
Yes.

01:01:12.398 --> 01:01:12.487
Team.

01:01:12.577 --> 01:01:13.057
Um,

01:01:13.927 --> 01:01:14.887
our barn burned down.

01:01:15.007 --> 01:01:15.097
Oh no.

01:01:15.847 --> 01:01:17.677
So fortunately.

01:01:18.367 --> 01:01:20.378
All the animals were outside in their runs.

01:01:20.438 --> 01:01:20.768
Okay.

01:01:20.797 --> 01:01:24.097
So they, every, the horses, everybody got out and Kim got out.

01:01:24.097 --> 01:01:26.077
But I, I was just like, oh my gosh.

01:01:26.077 --> 01:01:28.833
There was a few sined hairs and, uh, everything else.

01:01:29.092 --> 01:01:29.313
Yes.

01:01:29.313 --> 01:01:31.447
I was just like, can you imagine that that would've been quite the story, the nightmare.

01:01:31.538 --> 01:01:33.847
You've had reporters there, again, checking in.

01:01:33.847 --> 01:01:37.148
Anyway, so we've had some really fun Kim stories over the years.

01:01:37.208 --> 01:01:40.628
So we're gonna send you with your favorite sauce.

01:01:40.657 --> 01:01:41.467
Good job, by the way.

01:01:41.527 --> 01:01:42.398
You did a really nice job.

01:01:42.427 --> 01:01:42.668
Oh, thank you.

01:01:43.208 --> 01:01:48.427
Um, and so we're doing rank choice voting this year.

01:01:48.427 --> 01:01:48.458
Okay.

01:01:48.458 --> 01:01:52.867
But, um, so I'm gonna just say just I want your favorite vote.

01:01:52.867 --> 01:01:54.338
Which one would you take home?

01:01:54.637 --> 01:01:55.237
Which one would I take?

01:01:55.237 --> 01:01:57.157
Um, just for you.

01:01:57.487 --> 01:01:57.757
Yeah.

01:01:58.777 --> 01:02:05.768
Um, well, it would be between this one and this one.

01:02:05.773 --> 01:02:05.983
Okay.

01:02:06.713 --> 01:02:06.952
Yeah.

01:02:07.253 --> 01:02:07.643
Very nice.

01:02:07.643 --> 01:02:10.523
Do you wanna, uh, so that's the, the buffalo wing shake?

01:02:10.612 --> 01:02:10.672
Yeah.

01:02:10.793 --> 01:02:11.902
And the rebel.

01:02:11.932 --> 01:02:12.083
Yeah.

01:02:12.652 --> 01:02:14.512
But I think, I, I think this was my favorite

01:02:14.512 --> 01:02:15.202
buffalo wing shake.

01:02:15.353 --> 01:02:15.503
Yeah.

01:02:15.503 --> 01:02:15.773
Okay.

01:02:16.373 --> 01:02:17.512
So, um,

01:02:17.842 --> 01:02:21.472
we're not doing rain chase wedding because I would probably do the honey, honey jalapeno.

01:02:21.983 --> 01:02:22.793
Oh, right up there for me.

01:02:22.943 --> 01:02:23.663
Oh yeah, that one is good.

01:02:24.503 --> 01:02:25.463
I forgot about that one.

01:02:26.213 --> 01:02:27.952
Um, and on a scale, actually, go ahead.

01:02:28.523 --> 01:02:29.327
Actually you want that one instead?

01:02:29.617 --> 01:02:29.967
Maybe,

01:02:31.527 --> 01:02:31.887
I dunno.

01:02:32.032 --> 01:02:32.152
You

01:02:32.152 --> 01:02:38.242
can, you can get more of any of these right online or in person at Old Town Space Shop.

01:02:38.242 --> 01:02:38.452
That's true.

01:02:38.512 --> 01:02:40.342
Or Matador Mexican girl.

01:02:40.347 --> 01:02:41.992
I think I will still go with this one then.

01:02:41.992 --> 01:02:42.052
Yeah.

01:02:43.012 --> 01:02:44.422
Well, Shirley, thank you.

01:02:44.483 --> 01:02:46.132
I think we're brought up at our time deadline.

01:02:46.132 --> 01:02:47.632
Do you have any last questions of me?

01:02:48.128 --> 01:02:49.777
No, but you sure are sweating.

01:02:50.887 --> 01:02:51.277
I'm sweaty.

01:02:51.277 --> 01:02:51.353
I'm sweaty.

01:02:51.358 --> 01:02:55.717
Betty, thanks for pointing it out.

01:02:56.833 --> 01:02:58.688
I want, I just wanna point out you're sweat.

01:02:58.693 --> 01:02:59.032
Sweat.

01:02:59.032 --> 01:02:59.737
I'm not sweating.

01:02:59.742 --> 01:02:59.833
Sweat.

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No sweat.

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And I didn't cry.

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You didn't

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cry so well, good luck in November.

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Well thank you.

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And uh, thanks for being here today.

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Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Cut.

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